Aretologist,

Since Bush has worked very hard to destroy the Constitution and give the presidency more power, your fetish distractions do not serve your bigoted purpose well, cannot help yourself, just being a bigot making your daily rounds?

Douglas Chalmers, Privileged immunity is another way to describe the good old boys.

“Normal” Israelis (not the “self-hating) have so much reason to be ashamed and feel guilty.  They possess so much intelligence - always analysing others clearly and seeing things plainly while failing to analyse themselves and see
themselves clearly.

Their hypocrisy - and the reason they are hypocrites - is self evident.

They always arguing for justice and equality for others - a levelling throughout the world - but they don’t want justice and equality for the Palestinians. Because that would mean they would have to level themselves.

If they let the Palestinian people get up - if the Israelis took their collective boots off of the Palestinian people’s necks, give them a little justice, let them get up stand up and live like they used to live - it would cause a lowering - a “levelling down” of themselves.  And this they never allow.

The Israelis are also afraid that if they let the Palestinians up - gave them genuine freedom - the Palestinians might end up showing the world that they are decent human beings - something that most of the Israeli people obviously are not.

Levelling never ever can apply to them simply because God chose them to be “mankind’s blessing and light.”

A “teacher and a bless-er” can never be equal to those being enlightened and bless.
How can one be equal to an “ignorant and afflicted” mankind unless you too are ignorant and cursed?

It’s clear that A can never equal B or one equal two.

So logic and reason prevents all “normal” Jews from being equal to anyone - except other “normal” Jews.

“Normal” Jews never do unto themselves what they do unto others - whether it be the Palestinian or the American people.

#111594 by Nancy on 11/04 at 9:34 am: “...There is NO loyalty to any party’s principles in a crooks minds...”

Sounds a bit like the old IRA (Irish Republican Army) in Ireland a couple of years back. The “army” had turned into a bunch of thugs and had to be disarmed and disbanded. Only the political wing remains.

Only, in the uSA, its the “political wing” of the “Republicans” that is turning into a bunch of thugs - and is “arming” itself with all manner of deceitful ploys......

#111572 by Leefeller on 11/04 at 7:10 am: “...By using lies and deceptions, our alleged representatives are hand picked and selected for us by the mass media. Special interests vis lobbies have undue influence over their chosen representatives......  Politicians tout free enterprise but support monopolistic corporations, may see a connection here........ Democrats or Republicans are both to blame, the subtle differences between both parties is window dressing. Behind closed doors we see the same good old boys....”

These are crimes that are being committed but no-one is doing anything about it, Leefeller. A few are caught for corporate extortion, insider trading is outlawed, but there is still no redress for the inevitable suffering of the many.

The government and the judiciary hide behind privileged immunity. The rest effectively do the same by never admitting to anything and always supporting the rest of their exclusive club. Problems are made to go away for those on the inside.

Thus there is no longer any sense of community except for the naive and blind who are still entertained by the ticker-tape parades , the marching girls and the political circus. Its a fools’ paradise - but heading towards anihilation as a result of greeed and exploitation.

Our Constitution has been shredded or liberties have been taken from us. By using lies and deceptions, our alleged representatives are hand picked and selected for us by the mass media. Special interests vis lobbies have undue influence over their chosen representatives.  Politicians tout free enterprise but support monopolistic corporations, may see a connection here.

This has not been a government for the people and by the people for some time. Instead it is a government for the special interests by the special interests, NAFTA and WTO all part of the grand plan. 

Democrats or Republicans are both to blame, the subtle differences between both parties is window dressing. Behind closed doors we see the same good old boys.  D.C. is correct attorney’s running the country is part of the problem, seems hot air makes for a great show of wisdom to the ignorant.

The disconnect between the politicians and the people is very apparent. A direction supported by mass media government has ignored protest by the people.

The deceptive off topic bickering from posters is just another tactic to direct scrutiny from the real issues. Control of the mass media by special interests is a given, we are fed news speak, pablum and blatant lies. 

Opinion on the web must be kept to floundering, for control is not yet available, deception from the truth and reality must be hindered on the web, for on the web we see things differently than what is offered on the mass media.  Questioning of issues we should not be even aware of is not in the grand plan. 

The Constitution is in taters, lets bicker.

IS AIPACism= NuCONS McARTHYism?
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In the land of free and the home of brave:

“WATCH WHAT YOU SAY” ARI FLEISCHER, SPOKESMAN FOR THE REGIME IN WASHINGTON.

Since AIPAC got hold of the American’s WAY OF LIFE, for all practical purposes, they have successfully implemented the following principles:

1) “FEAR IS THE KEY”.

2) “THE MISINFORMED PUBLIC IS ESSENTIAL”.

When “The ALUMINUM TUBE” is the selling pitch to the American people for starting a war, invading and occupying a sovereign nation, (SADDAM WAS A BASTARD BUT HE WAS OUR BASTARD!!), resulting in thousands of Americans and mor than a million Iraqis
deaths, so far, inconjunction with the on going cricis and further planning for MORE WARS with no real opposition to stop MORE BLOODSHED then we know why.

One look at the situation within the main stream newspapers and T.VS., THE EXTENT OF BLACK MAIL AND INTIMIDATION IS UNBELIEABLE.

It seems as the entire nation is gripped by fear who ultimately chose to give up their civil rights and plunge to submission TO AIPAC-McARTHYism.

DONALD RAMSFELD, THEN THE SECRETRY OF STATE:
“ Use bumper stickers and keep it simple for the simple folks, worry them sick right into the World War III.
KEEP ELEVATING THE THREAT.
LINK IRAN TO IRAQ”,.....
IS IT NOT JUST SIMPLE LITTLE ZIONIST’S INSTRUCTION!

Well, it was said a long time ago:"THE PRICE OF LIBERTY IS ETERNAL VIGILANCE”.

p.s.:

DOES ANYBODY REMEMER RACHEL CORRIE, THE 23-YEARS YOUNG AMERICAN PEACE ACTIVIST, CRASHED ON MARCH 16 , 2003 BY THE ZIONIST’S MILITARY BULLDOZER, AS SHE ATTEMPTED TO PREVENT DEMOLITION OF A PALASTINIAN’S HOME?

#111513 by Aretologist on 11/04 at 12:13 am: “...And how much our government .....resembles the cruel and ruthless government of Israel’s?

This is known as ‘reversion to primitive’, Aretologist. In choosing an “its either them or us” code of behaviour, as Israel has done with its neighbours, the USA has reverted to its own primitive colonial past when Washington did exactly the same to the “Indians” - native Americans - and viz-a-viz Israel and “the Palestinians” too.

As justifying this is impossible in civilized terms, a further “reversion” to a more primitive ideology is also a necessary accompaniment. Thus “justice and fairness” are re-interpreted to suit the political imperatives of the Neocons’ military-industrial complex as it was for the land-grabbers of the past - or the more recent European Jewish land-grabbers in the M.East.

Sadly, though, the American people are still being fooled (especially the soldiers) that wars are “just” and are fought for “freedom” although this hasn’t been the case since the early 1940’s for the USA and never for Israel which is no longer entitled to maintain a state in the M.East, as you have shown us.

Now, we will hear the raving lunatics who invade Truthdig comment on their obsessions, uhh.......

#111513 by Aretologist on 11/04 at 12:13 am: “...A shortage of character and the absence of intelligence - two of the primary attributes of America’s politicians...”

Now this IS the fault of both the Republicans AND the Democrats. Sadly its the same in most democracies, though. Its symptomatic of an incestuous dependency on the legal profession for candidates - most politicians are lawyers - although the same profession can no longer produce a competent attorney-general, uhh.

That also reflects the “absence of intelligence” in government and in the bureaucracy because law is a pseudo-profession at best. Their “intelligence” turns out to be so much arrogance, conceit and hot air. Having studied laws made by self-congratulating politicians and ever-increasingly self-righteous judges (supreme court), lawyers cannot possibly have any real understanding of what is justice or the needs of their fellow humans.

America’s politicians all sing out of the same “hymn book.” The hymn book given to them by AIPAC - their “choirmaster” - and exalted by America’s mass media - Israel’s PR agent’s here in the U.S.

A shortage of character and the absence of intelligence - two of the primary attributes of America’s politicians - enabled AIPAC and Israel to gain control of America. “We (Israel) own America - and America knows it,” bragged the Prime Minister of Israel Ariel Sharon.

We’ve created the mess in the Middle East by being subservient to Israel - allowing AIPAC to coerce our government into subsidizing Israel’s unethical and immoral “wars” there. And then preventing the U.N. from arbitrating for an honest moral peace.

We’ve helped create the terrorist problem by allowing Israel’s PR agent here in America - our mass media - to inculcate and condition us into supporting Israel 100% and not seeing the problem there with objective impartiality.

America can’t solve any problem in the Middle East using justice because “justice” equals “ethics” and “morals.”

How can we solve the terrorist problem when we can’t solve Israel’s - AIPAC’s - immoral and unethical control of America. Perhaps if we solved the second problem we could use morals and ethics and solve the terrorist problem. Perhaps if Israel was a moral and ethical nation there would be no terrorist problem worldwide.

Can anyone at the Institute of Advanced Study think about that? Or can’t they because that wouldn’t be “good for the Jews”? Because they too are “too owned”?

A couple hundred years ago our problem was with them “no good dirty indigenous Indians.”

After America’s “immigrants” finally eliminated their indigenous Indian problem - our problem today is “over there in the Middle East - with those “no good stinking Arabs”.

Why do we have a problem with the Arab and Muslim people?

Because they don’t appreciate what Israel - with our 100% support - has done and is doing to the
Palestinian people. Because they don’t cherish Israel like we do. Why on earth should they?

The Palestinians are as “guilty” as America’s indigenous Indians were. Guilty only of living in a land and of fighting back to stop their land from being stolen by Jewish “immigrants.”

The Palestinians are “guilty” of migrating into a land that had been vacated by the Jews hundreds of years earlier - after the Romans ordered the Jews out - sending them into Europe and Russia - and then not turning the land back to the Jewish “immigrants” who wanted all of their land back after 2,000 years and when the Palestinians didn’t leave voluntarily, took it by terror and force and then “war.”

Israel’s “main squeeze” and “principal puppet” - America - won’t allow the UN to solve the Palestinian problem because the UN would want to use annoying principles such justice and impartiality instead of intimidation, imprisonment, punishment, retribution and conditioning - which is how Israel desires to “solve” the problem there.

We won’t allow the UN to solve the problem because the UN wants to use unpleasant ideals such justice and fairness - and that wouldn’t be “good for Israel.”

Has anyone noticed how annoying the words “justice” “right versus wrong”, “ethical and moral” have become in the current administration?  And how much our government today compares to a skid row moral “flophouse” and in this respect resembles the cruel and ruthless government of Israel’s?

Let’s see the Constitution is being destroyed, and we have to listen to this lessoned obsession on bigotry. Me thinks Neocons and morons are taking over TD.

Disregard the destruction of our rights and liberties, and turn it into a 2000 year old slug fest, nice form of deception for those simple enough to fall for it. 

If you believe your moronic simpleton babble, and you have little concern on what the wizards in Washington DC or doing to our nation, then so be it.

Ignore the real issues, and continue with your simple minded bigotry or let someone guide you there as you already have.  Enjoy.

RE:  #111206 by Nancy on 11/02 at 9:21 am

and RE:  #111235 by Douglas Chalmers on 11/02 at 11:24 am
#111206 by Nancy on 11/02 at 9:21 am: “...Christ came to save the Jews, his own people, and they refused. He constantly reviled them and their ways, as lawyers who manipulated the scriptures...”
So true, Nancy. So, be careful about voting for any lawyers in future....

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Well, well; here is an article by Chris Hedges on THE AMERICAN POLICE STATE.  So how come the above comments on religion which have nothing to with the article? Not once but three times !
And all very vile and unnecessary remarks..  Where do we go from here with it?

#111206 by Nancy on 11/02 at 9:21 am: “...Christ came to save the Jews, his own people, and they refused. He constantly reviled them and their ways, as lawyers who manipulated the scriptures...”

So true, Nancy. So, be careful about voting for any lawyers in future....... (most politicians are!).

Israel’s Olympic event.

Breaking their arms patting themselves on the back about how wonderful they want you to think they are.

When Israel finally develops the character and courage to confront their truth and heal themselves w/out manipulating blame onto others, Peace will truly follow.

RE: #111188 by weather on 11/02 at 8:33 am
“Israel is a self-inflicted wound
This was never a relationship, its extortion all very carefully gift wrapped and delivered daily.
Keep right on lying to yourselves Israel and to everyone else - its your largest export. “
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Very hard to believe such nasty words about a country or a people would be said.
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But here are some of those exports.  .
1. The cell phone was developed in Israel by Israelis working in the Israeli branch of Motorola, which has its largest development center in Israel.

2 Most of the Windows NT and XP operating systems were developed by Microsoft-Israel.

3 The Pentium MMX Chip technology was designed in Israel at Intel. Both the Pentium-4 microprocessor and the Centrino processor were entirely designed, developed, and produced in Israel.

4 The Pentium microprocessor in your computer was most likely made in Israel

5 Voice mail technology was developed in Israel

6 Both Microsoft and Cisco built their only R&D;facilities outside the US in Israel

7 The technology for the AOL Instant Messenger ICQ was developed in 1996 by four young Israelis.

8 According to industry officials, Israel designed the airline industry’s most impenetrable flight security. US officials now look to Israel for advice on how to handle airborne security threats.

9 Israel’s $100 billion economy is larger than all of its immediate neighbors combined.

10 Israel has the highest percentage in the world of home computers per capita

For Zionists and their supporters, it is crucial to win hearts and minds in America. Without that support, Israel would be alone in the Middle East, and a pariah in the international community. This is why the debate about the legitimacy of Israeli policies toward the original inhabitants of Palestine is a matter of primary concern for AIPAC and the ADL.

To achieve their aims in this regard, three chief rhetorical methods are employed:

1. Historical revisionism. This could be summed up as the “we made the desert bloom” argument and it goes like this. Before we came, there was just a bunch of sand and some Bedouins roaming around with goats. We turned the region into an arable paradise with modern plumbing and a real democracy.

This is really a justification, rather than an argument. Could you imagine using this in a court of law—“yes I stole the car your honor, but I payed for a valve job and a new set of radials”.

Funny, except for the latent racism in all of this thinking. It follows that Arabs are a bunch of sand monkeys, who are unsuited to civilization as we know it, and unfit custodians of the land.

Besides, who couldn’t make the desert bloom with enough US tax money…

2. The Clusterf**ck Argument. Ever wonder why some of the Zionist supporters are so tireless in their defense of Israel? These folks respond to practically every anti Israeli comment in any thread, no matter how insignificant. If you are so sure that your position is correct, shouldn’t it be obvious? Why swat at every fly? That’s got to be exhausting. Well, there’s a method to this madness. If you bicker long and hard enough about any subject, people will just throw their hands up in exasperation. They won’t do that extra fact check. It’s easier to say to yourself, “They’ve been fighting over this for decades. I’ll never figure it out”. But because Israeli’s seem more familiar to Americans than Arabs do, they will receive the benefit of the doubt in this situation. Creating a sense of stalemate in the debate is therefor clearly in the interest of Zionists.

Don’t be fooled by this. There is a clear aggressor in this matter - group of people who have systematically driven others from their land and are engaged in an ongoing violent repressive colonization project.

3. The Appeal to Religious Sentiment Argument. There are very few things more contemptuous of law, reason, and humanity, than to justify violence, oppression, killing, and displacement with the goofy ideas from a bronze age book. I could be talking about al qaeda here. But instead I’m talking about the Hebrews and their holy book the tanakh. Yes good ol’ Erezt Yisrael. Promised by god. Oh they certainly intend to exercise THEIR right of return, don’t they?

All this comes down to Jewish supremacy cloaked in the sanctimony of divine decree. In this scenario, all gentiles are mere extras in the epic film about the chosen ones, god’s grade A, getting their just rewards. E.T. phone home, please....

I don’t mean to imply that all Israelis engage in this rhetorical sleight-of-hand. Indeed, I’m sure there are plenty of folks in Israel who feel as victimized by the military industrial complex upon which their economy is based, as many here in the US do. Our own gov’t,—you know, the one with the most powerful military on the planet?—is currently under the control of a man who enjoys less than 30 percent approval from his constituents. Perhaps the same holds true in Israel. Perhaps there are Israelis who are eager to make a left turn for a change.

One can hope.

And unfortunately at this bedraggled impasse, only hope.

Israel is a self-inflicted wound.

No friends just resentments, acrimony, distrust and hate. Good job and just think Israel, you’ve no one to blame but yourselves - but blame, complain, attack, distract, distort, deflect and deny you will and it all comes at America’s expense.

This was never a relationship, its extortion all very carefully gift wrapped and delivered daily.
Keep right on lying to yourselves Israel and to everyone else - its your largest export.

Karim is just another Jew-hating total troll for extremists.

There is not ONE NATION on earth that having developed nuclear weapons would GIVE that technology to another nation.  Nobody. Nada. Never. EVER!!!! Not Russa, not China, not Britain, not France, not India, not Pakistan, not Israel.  And DEFINITELY NOT THE UNITED STATES!

There is no blackmail, no bribe, no threat, no scam that will convince ANY nation to give up that most secret and confidential knowledge.

It never fails to amaze me what racist horseshit @$$#ole$ like Karim will throw out that anyone with ANY brain would recognize as total crap.

Go live in your fairytail lands of utopia under the Taliban, the Saudis, Qaddaffi and Iran!

Anyone who believes otherwise is an idiot.  Anyone who says otherwise is both an idiot and a troll.

#111169 by Howard on 11/02 at 7:45 am : “...The Jews of the this large immigration wave did NOT displace local residents by conquest or fear as the Americans and Australins did...... No one who accepts the legitimacy of Australia being an English spaking Christian nation, or of Western America being part of the United States...”

Oh, if you say so, Howard. Only don’t try to legitimise the Jewish occupation, re-occupation or whatever you call it with the American or Australian white invasions. The USA was known to be a “its them or us” land grab and the Australian experience was even worse as the English created a pretence known as “terra nullius” (empty land http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terra_nullius ) which denied the existence of the native inhabitants, legally if not actually. Neither were in any way genuinely “Christian” although, like Judaism, their so-called religion was used as an excuse to exploit and to denigrate the original inhabitants.

We have discussed this before on Truthdig some months ago but Australia has recently taken another backward step by trying to covertly grab the remaining traditional tribal lands through a smear campaign and “occupying” remote indigenous communities with the Army “stationed” in them. http://womenforwik.freeforums.org/viewtopic.php?t=16 and also http://womenforwik.freeforums.org/viewtopic.php?t=17

The real point of it all in the M.East is that the place you refer to as “Israel” was once Palestine and the European Jews once again disrupted the politics of the region (with outside assistance). As the center for all of the Abrahamic religions, they are more than a little presumptious to claim it exclusively for themselves. Then again, that is a European colonialist ploy, if ever there was, uhh.

RE:  #111134 by Douglas Chalmers on 11/02 at 4:40 am
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“This is the historical garbage which Hollywood fables are made of, Howard”
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I don’t quite think so !

With regard to the events preceding the large immigration in 1882 ( the initial immigration of European Jewish refugees to Palesatine), there are more politiacal and religious memories than true facts.  We kow that there has always been a Jewish presence in Israel, particularly in the holy cities of Jerusalem, Hebron, and Safed, and that there has been a Jewish plurality or majority in Jerusalem for centuries. We know that European Jews began to move to what is now Israel in significanat numbers during the 1880’s—only shortly after the time when Australians of British desent began to displace aboriginal Australians and Americans of European descent began to move into some Western lands originally populated by Native Americans.

The Jews of the this large immigration wave did NOT displace local residents by conquest or fear as the Americans and Australins did. They lawfully and openly bought land—much of it thought to be nonarable --from absentee landlords. No one who accepts the legitimacy of Australia being an English spaking Christian nation, or of Western America being part of the United States, can question the legitimacy of the Jewish presence in what is now Israel from the 1880’s to the present.

Its over, ha ha, ha ha!!!

Quote: Gulf Arabs offer to provide uranium to Iran: report - DUBAI (Reuters) - “U.S.-allied Gulf Arab states are willing to set up a body to provide enriched uranium to Iran to defuse Tehran’s stand-off with the West over its nuclear plan, Saudi Arabia’s foreign minister told a magazine on Thursday.

Saudi Arabia and other Gulf countries—Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Bahrain and the United Arab Emirates—share Western concerns that Iran’s nuclear energy program will lead to it acquiring atomic bombs, a claim Tehran denies.

“We have proposed a solution, which is to create a consortium for all users of enriched uranium in the Middle East,” Foreign Minister Prince Saud al-Faisal told the Middle East Economic Digest (MEED).

“The U.S. is not involved, but I don’t think it (would be) hostile to this, and it would resolve a main area of tension between the West and Iran,” he told the London-based weekly.

“(We will) do it in a collective manner through a consortium that will distribute according to needs, give each plant its own necessary amount, and ensure no use of this enriched uranium for atomic weapons,” Prince Saud said, according to MEED’s Web site.

Prince Saud, speaking on Thursday during a visit to Britain, said Iran was considering the offer, which envisages building a plant in a neutral country......”

#111112 by Howard on 11/02 at 3:03 am: “...Jews have lived in the Holy Land since Biblical times and without interruption. They are the original and the oldest settlers....”

This is the historical garbage which Hollywood fables are made of, Howard. http://www.palestinehistory.com/history/brief/brief.htm#01

Theodor Herzl was an opportunist but those who came after were worse and were manipulated by the British and then the uSA as a wedge in the Arab/Persian M.East - for the control of oil, of course.

Bu let’s look at this - the neocon policies of “Its either them or us” of 3,000 years ago which you seem to be so proud of excusing the Jews for. Isn’t this exactly what the uSA and Israel want for the people of Iraq and Iran and Syria and Egypt until there are none left except your precious human termites:-

“...this divine command to exterminate from the face of the earth all men, women, and children belonging to the seven or eight nations of Canaan is one of the most frequently raised objections to seeing God as just and loving in the Old Testament. How can God’s fairness and mercy be seen in such blanket and wholesale condemnation of entire nations?

All attempts to mitigate or tone down this command to totally wipe out the population are ruined on the clear instructions of texts like Exodus 23:32-33, 34:12-16, Deuteronomy 7:1-5, and 20:15-18. The presence of the term herem in the sense of “forced destruction” constantly was applied to the Canaanites and thus they are marked for extermination.......” http://www.theology.edu/canaan.htm

RE:  #111097 by karim29007 on 11/01 at 11:42 pm
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IS ZIONISM THE ENEMY WITHIN?
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A particular close and independent observation search to find the underlying reasons for all the bloodshed and destruction that has occured recently in the Middle East , comes up with a positive answer.
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The answer is certainly not Zionism to the question asked.  And it should not even be asked here as that is not the topic of the above article.  So why is it raised ?  Is there an agenda to put forth?

But , in any case, the answer to the problems as outlined by Karima are more likely due to IslamoFacism than Zionism.

Before deciding whether Zionism can be equated with bad things as charged , it’s important to determine what Zionism really is.

It’s the philosophy and the movement whose purpose for almost 2000 years has been to restore Zion, the ancient land of Israel to the Jewish people, as its ancestral national homeland. Through centuries of wars, devastation, exile, dispersion and persecution, Zion never ceased to be the heart of Jewish yearning and survival. It was only as Eretz Israel, as Zion, that this land entered into the historical, cultural and spiritual consciousness of the world.

Jews have lived in the Holy Land since Biblical times and without interruption. They are the original and the oldest settlers. But it wasn’t until late in the last century that this love for Zion found expression in a political movement.
It was founded by Theodor Herzl, a totally “emancipated” Austrian Jew, a playwright and journalist. His intellect, vision and energy, his personal magnetism and organizational talents gave expression and action to the age-old Jewish longing for Zion. Modern political Zionism was born. The ingathering of the children of Israel into their ancestral homeland had begun.

Sparked by their ancient yearning and by Herzl’s vision, tens of thousands of European Jews left for Palestine and transformed it into what Israel is today—a land of verdant fields, lush forests, productive industries and flourishing cities.

IS ZIONISM THE ENEMY WITHIN?
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A particular close and independent observation search to find the underlying reasons for all the bloodshed and destruction that has occured recently in the Middle East , comes up with a positive answer.

WHY?
Once the zionist entity was installed in the region, a very rapid expantion in its territory and growth in population was essential to its survival.
The occupation and annexation of the Arab’s home lands inconjunction with the application of genocide to its inhabitants and to be replaced by the jewish setllers has almost finalized the first phase, almost because the said policy still is progress.

NEXT: Domination of the regon.
Again the Americans had to be put to work to do the “dirty job.”
HOW?
1-By supplying every POSSIBLE FINANCIAL AND MILITARY MEANS INCLUDING THE NUCLER WEAPONS.

2-Installing and maintaining corrupt arab regims in the area as well as SWINDLING their natural resources and feeding it back to the zionists.

WHAT IS THE PLAN NOW?
To break-up the region into SMALL AND FRAGMENTED CANTONS FOR PERPETUAL CONFLICT AND HENCE EASY DOMINATION.

WHO is paying for all these?
Let us take a stock:
a) THOUSANDS OF AMERICANS HAVE DIED, SO FAR.
b) MORE THAN A MILLION IRAQIS HAVE BEEN MURDERED WITH DAILY GENOCIDE IN PALASTINE.
c) ALL OPTIONS ARE ON THE TABLE AS FAR AS IRAN IS CONCERNED.
d) AIPAC with hundreds of millions of dollers will continue to dictate the AMERICAN’S WAY OF LIFE and that includes the internal as well as its external foreign policy.

AMERICA HAS ZIONIST PROBLEM AND AS LONG AS THIS CANCEROS PROBLEM PERSISTS MILLIONS MORE WILL DIE JUST TO SATIFY THEIR THIRST FOR BLOOD AND DESTRUCTIION.

THE CHENEY/BUSH WILL CONTINUE TO CARRY OUT THE WISHES OF THEIR ZIONIST PAY-MASTERS REGARDLESS.

WHEN all said and done, at the end of the day it would be the AMERICAN PEOPLE WHOM HAVE TO PAY THE PRICE FOR THE CRIMINAL ACTIONS OF THESE PSYCHOPATHS.

#111041 by Inherit The Wind on 11/01 at 6:45 pm: Re Nancy “...claiming to be “Christian” she doesn’t even know that Jesus was a DEVOUT Jew--practicing Torah in his life....”

Nancy, “who created a new convenant” was first the Jews’ own Moses who they also ignored en mass (worshipping the ‘golden calf’, etc). But I don’t think that old biblical law is still valid today, either, with its vicious “eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth” crap.

Obviously, though, ‘Inherit The Wind’ believes that “God’s Law wasn’t forever” as he sees the historic Jesus as a “devout Jew” practicing such absurdities despite his working knowledge of Karma. The fact was that he was utterly opposed to their garbage and often said so in as many words as well as in all of his actions.

The biblical story was that he came to preach or to show another way - that which was already widely accepted throughout the rest of Asia in those days - and in complete opposition to the establishment priests and rulers. But again, today, we have the Jews’ puppet state of Israel and the US empire in the image of Rome attempting to both put their feet on the necks of the rest of the world, uhh.

Nancy on 11/01 at 3:23 pm
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The Jews were also lost in the Desert for forty years. You also have to take into account that they rejected GOD’S son, Jesus. Who created a new convenant. I don’t think that old biblical law is still valid today. After all, a true Christian doesn’t delibrately break both man’s AND GOD’S laws. Because as many of us believers believe; GOD still speaks today. And the fact that they destroyed their temple by killing Jesus. The bible also says that the sins of the fathers follow their children to many generations....

I just LOVE the venal idiots that post here--claiming to be “Christian” she doesn’t even know that Jesus was a DEVOUT Jew--practicing Torah in his life. In fact, the ONLY time Jesus violated or stretch Torah, was to commit an act of mercy “Let he who is without sin first cast the stone”.  Jesus never said “Torah law is no longer valid”. It is an act of EXTREME ego to say that God’s Law, given to Moses, was just a patchwork “Just for now” job--as if God wasn’t capable of giving Law that was valid forever.

If you believe that God’s Law wasn’t forever, then the ONLY logical path for you is to be either an Atheist or Agnostic.  Instead you just make up the usual bullshit “‘Cuz Jesus came we don’ hafta follow God’s Law anymore”.

RE:#110996 by Nancy on 11/01 at 3:23 pm
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“ GOD still speaks today. And the fact that they destroyed their temple by killing Jesus. The bible also says that the sins of the fathers follow their children to many generations.... “
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Nancy,
A VERY dispicable comment. Not in place on this particular web site. Or any web-site that I know of.

#110938 by WriterOnTheStorm on 11/01 at 9:47 am
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What do you mean by ‘land grab’ ?

The Palestine to which European Jews in the 1870’s and 1880’s immigrated was vstly underpopulatd, and the land onto which the Jews moved was, in fact, bought primarily from absentee landlords and real estate speculators. This was separate from the indiginous Jewish villages and presence that had been there since the first century. Certainly there were Arab villages, as well; but there was no land grab.
It is impossible to reconstruct the demographics of the area with any degree of precision, since census data for that time period are not reliable, and most attempts at reconstruction--by both Palestinian adn Israeli sources --- seem to have a political agenda.
In addition to Palestine being an appropriate place for Jewish refugees because of its close connection to their history and ideology, it was also seen as appropriate because of the demographics of the land to which they were moving, or in their word, returning.
Mark Twain,who visited Palestine in 1867, offerered a description of emptiness and 10 or more miles between clusters of Bedouin tents. This all throughout the Galilee and around Nazareth, Jericho, and Bethlehem. Certainly there were

Other travelers recorded similar accounts of Palestine around 1880 prior to the arrival of the Jews of the First Immigration., who began the process of revitalizing the land and increasing its population by creating jobs and infrastructure.

As usual, Hedges COULD have had a BRILLIANT article except his constant neo-nazi “and it’s all the fault of the Jews in Israel”.

Like this:
The goal of the Israeli government and the Bush administration—despite the charade of peace negotiations to be held at Annapolis—is to grind defiant Palestinians into the dirt. Israel, which has plunged the Gaza Strip into one of the world’s worst humanitarian crises, has now begun to ban fuel supplies and sever electrical service. The severe deprivation, the Israelis hope, will see the overthrow of the Hamas government in Gaza and the reinstatement of Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, who has become the Marshal Pétain of the Palestinian people.

Actually, he left out the KEY portion: The grinding into the dirt is COMPLETELY a response to continual attacks on Israel from Gaza.  Israel GAVE the Gaza back the Palestinians.  They didn’t hermatically seal it off--that was BECAUSE of the terrorists--the rockets to terrorize the Israeli population and the tunneling to illegally get Hamaz terrorists into Israel.  All they EVER had to do was STOP--but they wouldn’t and now @$$#ole$ like Hedges condemn them for defending themselves.

And the ditto-heads here pile on.

The sad thing is that Hedges is otherwise TOTALLY correct in his assessment of the terrible march to fascism and the refusal of the Bush White House to accept even LEGAL challenges to what they “know”.  Once the WH says someone’s a terrorist or a threat--that’s it. No court, no law, no nothing changes that.

After all, George W. Bush consults with God.

This would have been and should have been a brilliant article.  Now it’s just another hate-the-Jews screed.

“The hour of their crime does not strike simultaneously for all nations. This explains the continuation and permanence of history.” E. M. Cioran

Judging from the way the ADL spammers have hijacked this thread, they must really be worried about the fallout from Mearsheimer and Walt. So here we go.....

Israel is engaging in a religion and racist fueled land grab, pure and simple. It is good old fashioned conquest.

But before some of you throw a brick at your computer screen, allow me to put this into perspective. From a moral standpoint, what Israel is doing in the region formerly known as Palestine is roughly on par with what the Dutch did in South Africa, what the Belgians did in Congo, or what the British did in Rhodesia, Kenya and a dozen other places. Indeed, Israel has on occasion, evinced great restraint when compared to these other colonizers. Further, what Israel is doing, even by conservative estimates, is less a crime than what we have done right here to our own native Americans. Yet, with the exception of South Africa, we have chosen to closet these historical aggressions, or to compartmentalize them as distant history.

This said, I’ll elaborate on what makes this particular colonization effort different, and why the US continues to support it at its peril.

1. We are living in a time when such imperialistic impulses are no longer acceptable. If Theodore Hertzl had made his move just 75 years sooner, the Palestinians would have been completely and utterly subjugated, and no one in the international community would have even raised an eyebrow. But unfortunately for them, the great age of civilizing savages has past. We now (perhaps owing to the epic struggle to end apartheid) consider this behavior to be only marginally better than slave ownership.

2. The advent of computers and the subsequent ease of information dissemination has lifted the political awareness of Arabs and muslims (and many other oppressed people throughout the world, btw). This means that local populations now fully understand the nature of their oppression. At the same time, they have new ways to connect to a community of concerned observers to whom they can appeal for assistance and support.

3. Technology has given rise to new forms of military resistance. These new methods, often referred to as ‘terrorist tactics’, afford even a miniscule number of motivated fighters to create effective resistance movements. But more than this, it constitutes an entirely new level of danger to the colonizers—and their perceived supporters. Further, because these resistance fighters are more informed than ever, they understand that certain allies of the colonizer may be abetting the repression. If it is fair for the US president to say that aiding terrorist makes you a terrorist state, then it is equally fair for the terrorist to reason that if you are aiding our oppressor, you are also our oppressor.

What I’m getting at here should be obvious by now. The United State, for its support and enabling of Israel, is now considered a legitimate target of the resistance. The stakes have been raised. This alone is not an argument to stop defending Israel. But when it is combined with the fact that the actions of Israel are not, for the most part, justifiable, and that gross and demonstrable human rights violations are routinely committed with US approval, then the only reasonable and morally correct conclusion is that our support of Israel is no longer tenable, and must be reconsidered.

It is morally reprehensible to support a country that proves tireless in its repressive practices. This destroys our credibility as a nation, and seriously erodes our international standing. But when we allow that country’s proponents here at home to blackmail our politicians, when we expose our citizenry to fear and military reprisals stemming from this support, we are simply hapless, irresponsible patsies.

Its way off topic but interesting nonetheless. I will apologize up front for being so direct but sometimes you have to call a shoe a shoe.

WR Curley, cyrena, you could not be more wrong on the issue. Your posts are nothing more than your misinterpretation of the facts, biblical history and the Muslim / Jewish debate. The flippin history you accuse others of rewriting is exactly what you are doing. Whatever your source, its wrong.

Howard is correct. If you studied history you would have a better understanding of how correct he is. Take the time to educate yourself before attacking him. This will require that you study something beyond your anti-semetic rags and UFO conspiracy theory comic books. Pick up the bible, study the overwhelming archeological evidence that supports it. Once you get past your bias, you will quickly realize the lie you are trying to perpetuate.

I appreciate David Balmer’s post as well. Note the two verses he provided

Humility should start at home, pointing the finger at others is not a good start.

RE: 110852
by Weather

Is the comment a pro Israel statement?  or an anti-Israel statement?
Not writen too clearly and hard to tell.  Either way what does it have to do with the essay above by Hedges?

Ireland declares Peace and they’re afforded but a footnote.

Israel develops yet another impacted cyst and we have to hear about it as if we care, when we don’t at all.
So take your Teva’s, your Carnival Cruise lines including Princess/Cunnard, your Plaza Hotel, your knock-off drugs, your Uzi’s and sell your wares, your resentments and your selfish dramas elsewhere.
Israel’s made for TV wars and faux nobility is just that. A sad and very selfish country that fell in love w/its own headlines. Keep lying to yourselves Israel and to everyone else, its what you do best.

#110772 by Nancy on 10/31 at 2:58 pm
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I have to admit, I have been conflicted and confused on this issue. But my question is; who gave Israel to the Jews?

Nancy,
Not to worry. You are not the only one confused. The confusion is very intentional, as you can tell from the most recent lies from Howard. It’s seems like a genetic thing with these people, to flippin’ RE-WRITE HISTORY!!! And, it’s annoying at best, because most folks don’t have time to sit down and actually READ and study this stuff. (Because believe me, it takes a while). But, since I had nothing better to do after the PURGES of thousands and thousands of Americans from their long term employment over the past several years, I figured I might as well try to figure out why we (here in the US) had become such targets of hatred, and while Israel had been committing these crimes against humanity for so long, and getting away with it for just as long.
So, as only a ‘beginning’ sort of the story…(there are multiple places where you can get the specifics, and it’s worth it, even if it takes a while) here is the basic answer. The United Nations gave Israel to the Jews/Zionists in 1948. It was NOT called ‘Israel then” nor was it a ‘State” of Palestine. It was referred to as Palestine, and the Arabs/Palestinians had lived there for at least 10,000 years. You could probably go back to the beginning of the Old Testament, to trace when the Jews HAD been in the area, and left. (It seems they were run out by warring factions, but I can’t remember who they were now. Probably Christians, since Christians seem to have the bloodiest record for wars based ostensibly on the furtherance of Christianity).
WHATEVER the case, by 1917, the area known then as Palestine, was primarily inhabited by Arabs, (called Palestinians) and there were also a smattering of Christians and Jews as well. Not many. By 1948, the Zionists had moved in – in mass numbers, coming primarily from Europe, and Russia, to escape conditions that were obviously unfavorable to them, considering what Hilter did to so many.
So, after the end of WWII, the UN (or maybe they were still the League of Nations then, I have to check my dates) GAVE the territory then known as Palestine, (and under British rule) to the Jews, because of all that Hitler and Stalin and some other nasty dudes had put them through in the lead-up to WWII. (and of course EVERYBODY on the planet knows of those atrocities inflicted upon the Jews at the time.)

How or why it is that they wound up giving them what was then Palestine, (as opposed to Germany, or Poland, or half of Russia) is because…that’s what they wanted and demanded. The Zionist leader (from way back in 1917, and I can’t remember his name – maybe intentionally) had already dreamed this up to be “THE perfect spot for a State of Israel”. And, while it’s true that the Palestine of the time was in fact under British Mandate, (howies right about that) it is false that the Jews had been there continuously for all of those thousands of years. Matter of fact, it’s a lie. A lie among many lies.
I’ll add some interesting reading material if you’re interested later. There is actually far more available in recent years…(that provides a real history), than there has been up to this point.
Still, since the UN DID give the space to Israel, they took it, (which basically they already had…because they’d already begun to run out all of the Palestinians) and they took it, and as we know since…oh so very much more. That’s why Israel still doesn’t have a Constitution, to this very day. It refuses to define it’s borders, because it has occupied far more territory than it was initially gifted by the International organization, as compensation for the troubles endured in EUROPE. Go figure.

The state of Israel was legally created out of the dismemberment of the Ottoman Empire at the end of World War I. The area was desolate – desert and swamp – with some small towns and a few inhabitants, many of them nomads. The inhabitants, if they thought about it at all, considered themselves Syrians. The legitimacy of Israel arises from the Balfour Declaration issued by the British, who were given the mandate over the area by the League of Nations. Jews have lived in the country since Biblical times. The Arabs from the surrounding areas were lured to “Palestine” by the industry and prosperity that the Jews brought to the region. Envy, hatred, and religious fanaticism turned the Arabs against the Jews. In bloody outrages, horrible massacres, killings and rapes, the Arabs tried to dislodge the Jews, but were unable to do so.
In 1947, the British, having tired of the trouble and the bloodshed, resigned their mandate. That same year, the United Nations mandated partitioning of the territory. The Jews, though disappointed, accepted the partition. The Arabs rejected it out of hand and launched war against Israel. The armies of five Arab countries invaded the nascent state. Following the exhortations of the invaders, the Arab residents got out of the way hoping to return after victory was attained. They could then reclaim their property and that of the Jews, all of whom would have been killed or would have fled. That and that alone is the source of the Arab “refugee problem.”

Nancy if that happens we all move in w/Howard, cause everday will be in Halloween Hell.

There is no such thing as a “Palestinian people.” That is a concept that, by the drumbeat of incessant propaganda, has been foisted on the world. The so-called Palestinians are the same Arabs that live in Syria, Jordan and Lebanon. Never at any time in history did the “Palestinians” have a homeland, nor did they ever demand one.

In 1947, the United Nations General Assembly voted to set up both a Jewish and an Arab state within the borders of the territories. The Arabs were allotted three contiguous areas and the enclave of the city of Jaffa. The Jews were allotted three discontiguous areas. Jerusalem was to be an international city. In order to get their homeland, the Jews reluctantly accepted the unfavorable deal. The Arabs rejected it out of hand and instead invaded the nascent Jewish state with the armies of six nations. The ragtag Jewish forces decisively defeated the aggressors and stayed in control of most of the area. Egypt retained control of the Gaza Strip, and Jordan occupied Judea/Samaria (the “West Bank”). Had the Arabs accepted the United Nations partition plan, they would have had their “Palestinian homeland” for almost 60 years. They spurned the opportunity when it was available to them.

For nineteen years, until the Six-Day War, the territories involved were under the control of Jordan and Egypt. Never during those years was there ever a demand for a “Palestinian homeland.” Only after the Six-Day War in 1967, when the territories reverted to Israeli control, did the insistent clamor for a “Palestinian homeland” arise.