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Posted on Oct 23, 2007
Bush in Roosevelt Room
AP photo / Ron Edmonds

President Bush makes his case for supplemental funding for the Iraq and Afghanistan wars in the Roosevelt Room of the White House, surrounded by members of veterans service organizations, a fallen Marine’s family and vets who served in Iraq and Afghanistan.

By Robert Scheer

Hey, a billion here, a billion there, who’s counting?  Not the State Department, which admitted this week that it can’t say “specifically what it received” for the $1.2 billion it paid DynCorp, ostensibly to train the Iraqi police—other than that somebody got an Olympic-size swimming pool out of the deal.

On Monday, President Bush demanded that Congress fork over $46 billion more to pay for his wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, insisting that it be approved by the end of the year. That brings the total requested this year in “supplementary funds” for his foreign adventures to $196.4 billion, and the prez said Congress had better pony up or it will be betraying the family of the dead Marine that he was using as prop for this particular White House photo op.

Of course the Democrats, after some pussyfooting, will sign off, as they have for the rest of the more than $800 billion that will have been allotted for the Iraq and Afghanistan conflicts by year’s end, lest they be accused of failing the troops that Bush has put in harm’s way. “Our men and women on the front lines should not be caught in the middle of partisan disagreements in Washington, D.C.,” Bush warned darkly, while edging ever closer to the family of the fallen Marine. “I often hear that war critics oppose my decisions, but still support the troops,” he said. “Well, I’ll take them at their word—and this is the chance to show it.”

I half-expected some leading Democrat to respond: “Hey, you want support for the troops, I’ll see your $46 billion and raise you another $46 billion.”  But then again, Joe Lieberman is no longer running the party.  Instead, the Democrats tried to show that $46 billion is not loose change and that, as Nancy Pelosi put it, a mere 40 days of the cost of the Iraq war could provide annual health insurance coverage for 10 million American children.  Harry Reid added that the money might be better spent for law enforcement, homeland security and fixing the sagging infrastructure, but his argument isn’t going to get any better traction than Pelosi’s.  As Reid pointed out, “this intractable civil war in Iraq ... is being paid for by borrowed money.”

Sure, some day the Chinese communists and others holding our debt will have to be paid back with compounded interest, but for now the war has been successfully marketed as a financial freebie. Leave it to the next generation to wake up and discover that this war, which in constant dollars has already cost more than the Korean or Vietnam wars, prevents Congress from implementing any of the needed domestic programs, even those advocated by both parties, as was the children’s health insurance bill vetoed by Bush last week.  But even if you think none of that domestic spending is needed, even for fixing Medicare and Social Security, the cost of this war will require a substantial increase in taxes over coming decades.

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The Congressional Budget Office estimates the future additional costs of these wars over the next 10 years at between $481 billion and $1.01 trillion, depending on how fast the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are wound down.  Those are extremely optimistic projections that assume these wars will wind down and that the U.S. will be able to finally climb out of the quagmire.  Much more likely is the spread of those wars to neighboring battle theaters in Pakistan and Iran.  And that’s without conjuring up the prospect of WWIII, as Bush did last week.

Understand further that all of the numbers referenced above pertain only to that part of the defense budget directly attributable to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.  Post-9/11 defense spending, excluding the costs of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, has seen a 40 percent increase for building high-tech Cold War-era weapons in a charade that assumes that stateless terrorists present a military challenge even greater than the once mighty Soviet armed forces.  The $686 billion overall 2008 defense budget is the highest since World War II.

There was a time when responsible politicians would decry this looting of the public treasury, but not now, when we are in the midst of a never-ending “war on terror.” Not now, when a Marine dies a needless death in Iraq, a country that had nothing whatsoever to do with 9/11, or in any substantiated way presented a threat to the United States, and his family can be produced as cover for a president determined to morally and financially bankrupt the nation.   

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By Ed, October 30, 2007 at 7:11 pm Link to this comment
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It really doesn’t bother me if the war bankrupts the United States. Most of the country is full of idiots that that vote their short term vision. Jerry Rubin sold out and Kinky Friedman is just another dumbass. The whole country deserves another great depression. That’ll put things in perspective. Maybe y’all should have been feeding the children instead of feeding the military industrial complex.

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By John Borowski, October 30, 2007 at 11:41 am Link to this comment
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It amuses me that some on this web site think that the way to resolve the intensive care that the Republicans (Aka Conservative right wingers) put this country into is to vote the “god blessers”out of office. What if Bush and the Republicans (Aka Conservative right wingers) despite the Democratic majority, vote to ban elections under the penalty of a life in the torture chambers if violated?

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By Nabih Ammari, October 30, 2007 at 6:18 am Link to this comment
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The following questions beg for constructive answers I
have miserably failed to find.Please try to answer them,
if you can:

(1)How do you voice to cut funding the war in Iraq
while a threatening “Sword” made of malice and smear,  ready to strike any Senator and Representative who may
dare to do so???.

(2)How do you persuade the holder of the “Sword” of
malice and smear that the Iraqi Oil Industry,which was deliberately saved from bombing and destruction,
is controlled by real tough Unionists who will never
accept to hand the future of their livelihood to the
schemes of privatization which will eventually lead
to total control by the American oil companies???.

(3)How do you throw the “Bums” out of Congress when the
real determining factors in winning elections have
become “Big Money” and “Powerful Lobbyists” instead of
Personal integrity,honesty,ability,merits,envision,
qualifications,wisdom and above all adhering firmly
to the essence,substance and spirit of the United
States Constitution???.

(4)How do you throw the “Bums” out when the election apparatus has holes susceptible to fraud/corruption
through computerized machines whose operational components are kept undisclosed and only known to its
fraudulent fabricators who are armed by legally
protecting patents which give them the right to keep
the secret of the trade/invention undisclosed???.
(Note:To realize how serious this problem is,please
check it in a well documented book entitled “FOOLED
AGAIN” written by Professor Mark Miller).

(5)How do you impeach the “Sword” holder and his evil
cohorts who clearly destroyed Iraq,a functioning and
sovereign country,when the newly elected Speaker of the House declared immediately after the election of
2006 that Impeachment was(is) “off the table”???.

(6)how do you try the “War Criminals” when you are
confronted by question number(6) outlined above???.

If you think that finding answers to the above questions frustrating,you may find the current deceptive rhetorics being used against Iran is utterly disgusting:the same methodological offensive
and deceptive propaganda that lead to the bombing
of Iraq and eventual destruction and occupation are
being used to bomb and possibly invade Iran.A good
article entitled “When Will We Bomb Iran?” by Bill
Press can be found at the following website:

http://www.billpress.com

It is an excellent article and it confirms the last
paragraph outlined above.
Sincerely,
Nabih Ammari
An Independent in Ohio.

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By minamoto no taira, October 29, 2007 at 9:16 am Link to this comment

#109296 by Inherit The Wind

Hey, either have President Frank Burns OR President Mussolini.  We’re at war here.

Seriously though,  I don’t think the WH or Congress think in terms of money in real value anymore.  Spending this kind of money now, cannot but cost livlihoods, and even lives, in the future.

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By Andrew A., October 29, 2007 at 7:08 am Link to this comment
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If Congress doesn’t approve the supplemental fund then according to Bush the troops won’t be supplied correctly and would thus be put in danger.

However, if the military puts soldiers in the line of fire without adequate protection then they are the ones putting the soldiers in danger not the other way around.

So no supplies should mean that the soldiers shouldn’t be used. Bush’s argument for the approving the money is weak at best and the Democrats and moderates need to beat Bush at his largest weakness - logic.

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By cyrena, October 28, 2007 at 3:56 pm Link to this comment

#109952 by RAE

Rae,

I ditto TAO, and I really appreciate it. Just off the top of your head, do you know that “legal limit” to stay below the line for income tax purposes? I can look it up, and I’m guessing it would depend on one’s ‘status’, but if you have like a ball park figure, it would be helpful.

Sounds like you’re enjoying your new home. I’m right behind ya’ll. wink Still working at the transition, but it’s definitely underway. Thanks again for the ‘formula’.

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By cann4ing, October 28, 2007 at 3:13 pm Link to this comment

rowman’s posts are becoming more idiotic by the day.  I know that for the war profiteers our imperial adventure in Iraq is paying off in spades, but just what is this big prize, rowman, that the American working and middle classes will receive if we achieve that elusive “victory” in Iraq?  At present, every ten minutes an Iraqi dies.  Every ten hours another middle or working class contribution to the American war machine, aka one of “our” troops, dies and every ten days another $2 billion is extracted from our national treasury and delivered to the coffers of Halliburton, Blackwater and the other war profiteers.

Of course, the blame cannot be solely laid to the fascists in the White House.  The dissembling bunch of cowards known as the “Democratic Congressional leadership” shares responsibility for the continuation of this irrational, imperial conquest.  The notion that they do not have the votes is a canard.  All it takes is either 41 votes in the Senate or a simple majority in the House to block all further funding.  The claim that refusing to fund the imperial conquest displays a lack of support for our troops is Orwellian.  You do not “support the troops” by enabling the fascists to leave them in harm’s way.  You betray them!

Me thinks rowman doth not have both oars in the water.

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By weather, October 28, 2007 at 11:07 am Link to this comment

Israel’s gifts to America.

Acrimony, angst and inexhaustable supply of deceit - all very carefully packaged w/the fraudulent and phony energy of a Hollywood production and all at our immense expense.

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By ka212, October 28, 2007 at 10:29 am Link to this comment

Bush seems to be running a protection racket, ala the Mafia:  “Give me more money or the troops won’t get…”  When Congress fearfully forks over the dough, the Pentagon “loses” upteem billions of those dollars—skimmed right off the top.

I don’t think we can vote “the bums out.”  For one thing, we don’t choose the candidates that get on the slate.  As for the actual vote, it’s rigged and we know it: we can vote (or if you live in Ohio and Florida, you can try to vote), but They count the votes, and They count them their way. 

And we can’t turn to the courts—they’re controlled by the Bushies. 

Bottom line:  When the game is rigged—and you know it—it’s time to quit playing the game. 

It seems to me the only “weapon” American citizens have left is the power of the purse. So—close your wallet, buy only life-sustaining essentials (food and shelter).  Park your car (or even better, get rid of your car altogether—that way, car insurance companies will also be affected), and park your money in a credit union (stay away from banks and the stock market).

In other words, make the corporations clean up The Game.

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By rowman, October 28, 2007 at 8:40 am Link to this comment

The title of the article in 4 years will read:

“HillaryCare Costs Spiral Out of Control”
10x the cost of the Iraq Victory.

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By Verne Arnold, October 28, 2007 at 5:45 am Link to this comment

#109952 by RAE on 10/27 at 9:53 am
(277 comments total)

Our governments have lost all sight of the reason for their existence and clearly ASSUME that WE WORK FOR THEM and not the other way around.

I’m with Trixie… old and no regrets about it. Why? Because As an individual taxpayer I’ve finally figured out how much of a sucker I’m being taken for. It’s taken a long time for the penny to drop.

RAE,
Great post.  I left the “states” just after the invasion.  I live in southeast Asia and live on $750 USD per month.  Here I live in a small village and do quite well.  My wife and I help out when we can; teaching (English) at the local temple schools…helping the villagers find services, and generally enjoy a very simple life.  As an old man, I firmly believe it has added 10 years to my life.  This is my revenge on the American Dream gone where it has always been headed…the dump!  Denial ain’t just a river in Egypt you know.

Peace and Justice

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By Nabih Ammari, October 28, 2007 at 4:54 am Link to this comment
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It does not require an understanding of Albert Einstein’s Theory of Relativity to conclude that the only way available to those who want to stop the
financial hemorrhage is to stop the war in Iraq and
bring the troops home.Period.

The American people must be reminded time and again
that if the funding of this war continues unchecked,
the country will end up in total financial collapse;
most likely, similar to the collapse which had happened to the Soviet Union lengthy occupation of
Afghanistan, almost a decade ago.

Recently,I watched Anna Wright,a former high ranking
official in the U.S. State Department,on C-Span,
telling her listeners that the U.S. had(has) 160
thousands troops and 180 thousands contractors.Thus,
the total of Americans who operate in Iraq is 340
thousands.A huge number.

It seems to me that financial support of such a huge
number cannot be sustained on borrowed money from
China,Japan and other creditor countries,especially
if they want to move their monies outside the U.S.
financial market to some other places for investment.

It is totally immoral to pass a huge debt to our
children and children’s children.Get out of Iraq
and stop the hemorrhage in blood and treasures.It is
as simple as that.And anyone who claims otherwise is
either naive at best or living in fantasy at worst
Sincerely,
Nabih Ammari
An Independent in Ohio.

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By SteveL, October 27, 2007 at 4:57 pm Link to this comment
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Think where the country would be in regards to separating Hydrogen from sea-water and desalinization of same with this kind of money.

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By mark, October 27, 2007 at 1:58 pm Link to this comment
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Thank God the fiscally conservative Republicans are in charge.

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By TAO Walker, October 27, 2007 at 12:39 pm Link to this comment

RAE (#109952) has spelled-out for all here the “formula” for recovering one’s organic functional integrity, and the genuine freedom and wildness that naturally goes with it.  Those minimizing their personal participation in the big con-game will also, naturally, tend to get together with others who’re likewise putting their feet back on what us Indians call The Good Red Road….the Tiyoshpaye Way….The Beauty Way.

This old Savage urges everyone who can see their way clear to following RAE’s example (though it’s likely many here are already) to take advantage of this “loophole” in the global confinement-and-conscription apparatus.  The beneficial effects ripple-out well beyond a person’s own immediate circle, too.

Remember, so far as the “global” gangsters are concerned everybody who isn’t them is us Indians. Welcome to the worldwide Rez.

HokaHey!

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By RAE, October 27, 2007 at 10:53 am Link to this comment

Our governments have lost all sight of the reason for their existence and clearly ASSUME that WE WORK FOR THEM and not the other way around.

I’m with Trixie… old and no regrets about it. Why? Because As an individual taxpayer I’ve finally figured out how much of a sucker I’m being taken for. It’s taken a long time for the penny to drop.

So… what I’ve done about it is to quit paying taxes. It’s all legal. I reduced my wants. I learned that 95% of my “stuff” I DID NOT NEED. This “stuff” only served as an expensive, artificial diversion from all the free and genuine “stuff” available.

I learned to EARN ONLY ENOUGH TO LOOK AFTER MY NEEDS… and since I now have few “wants” I DON’T NEED MUCH MONEY! I don’t earn enough to pay tax!

I buy shoes and underwear new and the rest of my clothing second hand - there’s absolutely nothing wrong with most of it… clean, warm, presentable. And I save 75% or more of the cost.

So… to keep this short. If you resent, as much as I do, that your hard earned money is CONFISCATED by the government so THEY can waste it, LEARN TO LIVE JUST BELOW THE LINE WHERE YOUR INCOME TAXES ARE ZERO. It can easily be done and it’s NOT POVERTY. I eat well. Have warm, safe, dry shelter. And enough left over to purchase a few things that give me pleasure - a CD, or book, a movie or short trip.

But, if you absolutely NEED to wear fancy clothes, take expensive vacations, eat in expensive restaurants and drive obnoxiously large, polluting vehicles… well… it’s all yours to enjoy. Work your ass off… pay fortunes in taxes… enjoy being the sucker you are assumed to be.

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By DennisD, October 26, 2007 at 7:36 pm Link to this comment
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Bob, since you’re talking about a country(USA) with absolutely no accountability or control over any corporate interest willing to write a check - just what do you mean that the war spending is “out of control”.

Congress is there only to aid and abet the criminals in office and their corporate benefactors, nothing else. Just who the hell did you think is “in control” but the corporations.

Vote everyone out of office who has voted to fund this fiasco and build some more Super Max’s to house them in. That would finally be American tax dollars well spent.

Bu$h takes office - oil $30 a barrel, today $92 a barrel. A coincidence - I don’t think so. Supply and demand, no way. When a few companies control all facets of an industry, it’s called a monopoly for any of you supply sider’s that may be out there. Spare me the ancient capitalistic bullshit.

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By weather, October 26, 2007 at 6:16 pm Link to this comment

Send Israel the bill.

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By ocjim, October 26, 2007 at 4:19 pm Link to this comment

The criminal Bush administration may be out of luck even for the oil it wanted to steal from the Iraqi people. Even more tragic is the lives and money American voters allowed him to steal from us to finance his war. Accroding to Jack Miles in the Asia Times, there is a sovereignty showdown in Iraq for the oil that Bush wants and he appears to be losing the battle.

The oil game in Iraq may be almost up. On September 29, like a landlord serving notice, the government of Iraq announced that the next annual renewal of the United Nations Security Council mandate for a multinational force in Iraq - the only legal basis for a continuation of the American occupation - will be the last. That was, it seems, the first shoe to fall.

If the Democrats don’t demand our departure from Iraq they could become as culpable as the Bush administration.

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By Trigger finger, October 26, 2007 at 3:44 pm Link to this comment
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Bush to Congress:

Where da hel dem bullets i demanded from u.

Cant hold out muhh longer agin dhese desert badd boys witout a big bunch a bullets..
and O, we need mor guns 2. U now the kind, the army guns like we use in da wars, da kind dat hav the swords on the buisnus end.

my god didnt u ever play armyy when u wass yung?

mayb i shud be askn chinna for all dis huuh?

Your leder, Geo.

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By hippy pam, October 26, 2007 at 5:25 am Link to this comment

WANNA SEE AN END TO THIS FIASCO?????MAKE THE BUSH*T DAUGHTERS GO AND FIGHT-AS LONG AS NONE OF HIS ARE “IN HARMS WAY”-HE WILL CONTINUE TO PLAY HIS “IN CHARGE” GAME….

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By William Ries, October 25, 2007 at 8:06 pm Link to this comment

Our American president lies, cheats, and steals to get his way(Cheney).  Impeach this S.O.B. first and then watch King George fade without his puppetmaster.

The intelligent ones among us need to convince our elected officials to JUST SAY NO!

No to the Iraq war!
No to more borrowed money!
No to state sponsored mercenaries!
No to saber rattling over Iran.

And if our elected representatives don’t vote the will of the people, throw them out on election day.

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By amir, October 25, 2007 at 6:33 pm Link to this comment
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No money for firefighters
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7058809.stm

Bush has money to drop 100.000 dollars bombs on 100 dollars a year earning peasants but he does not have enough resources to fight fires that are wiping out million dollars mantions in Poway and Escondido in Southern California.
This dictator is not caring for his own “base” (remember his speech in Lower Manhattan a few years ago in front of Millioners) let alone for the rest of the people in US. We should not be surprised that his merceneries in Iraq are commiting genocide.
What rests us to do is to document their misdeads for posterity.

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By mackTN, October 25, 2007 at 4:06 pm Link to this comment

#109412 by heaavyrunner on 10/24 at 7:31 pm
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Why do we not see more interviews with returning soldiers who have been stationed in Iraq?  A friend of mine’s son was in Iraq last year.  When he came home he told us that the place was a complete disaster.

Indeed!  I’ve talked to many myself—the boots on the ground, the grunts, the heavy lifters—and they say it’s a nightmare but also note that they’ve been cautioned against sharing information with others.

We don’t see many interviews with the average Iraqui either.

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By loveinatub, October 25, 2007 at 1:06 pm Link to this comment

Bush is digging the grave of the United States, you mean….


#109509 by QuyTran on 10/25 at 8:30 am
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Bush digs his own grave with the so-called war funds.

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By QuyTran, October 25, 2007 at 9:30 am Link to this comment

Bush digs his own grave with the so-called war funds.

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By Gonnuts, October 25, 2007 at 7:35 am Link to this comment
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Question: how does a nation deploy troops in over 700 military bases in 139 countries continue to call itself a “peaceful” nation?

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By gabriel christou, October 25, 2007 at 6:16 am Link to this comment
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please visit
http://www.gabrielchristou.blogspot.com

you will see PHOTOS of WHO and WHERE Bin Laden and his NETWORKS ARE….

URGENT…PLEASE HELP…. I CANNOT FROM HERE….. I AM BLOCKED ALL AROUND
FORWARD THIS INFORMATION TO THE FBI.

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By davide, October 25, 2007 at 5:58 am Link to this comment
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When the history of this disasterous era is written (assmung history and historians survive), the Democrats’ pusillanimity will be regarded as a key,  perhaps decisive, contributor.

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By John Borowski, October 25, 2007 at 4:02 am Link to this comment
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I concur with heaavyrunner that Iraqi soldiers are trained during the day by British and American soldiers and run off in the night to fight against British and American troops. (#109412) The same thing happened in Vietnam. The British and American soldiers would teach the Vietnamese how to fight against the North Vietnam and supplied them with hi-tech weapons. Once they all graduated from the school with high honors they would slip off into the night along with the hi-tech weapons to fight with the North Vietnamese against the British and Americans. Apparently they don’t like our freedom democracy that encumbers them with Blackwaters, torture chambers, and British puppets as their “president”.

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By cyrena, October 25, 2007 at 3:23 am Link to this comment

#109404 by Don Stivers

•  California is burning but we have to invest in Iraq because FREEDOM is so important.  We were not asked to give it to the Iraqis.  We visited freedom onto them at a tremendous cost in life and money.

No Don…no, no, no. It has NEVER been about FREEDOM, not for the Iraqis, who are far worse off now, than they’ve EVER been. And, that was never more than part of the slogan anyway. That’s the last thing the Mob is interested in, unless we’re talking about their freedom to steal all of that oil. No, no…we didn’t ‘visit’ freedom upon them…quite the opposite.

109381 by thomas billis
•  Nancy a word of caution.Listen to the Democrats in this country they are the ones who will keep where you are.

Thomas, we won’t. (keep her where she is). She’s messed up way too bad for that. She’s gone at the first available opportunity. They tell me she’s done a few good things, but nothing that will EVER begin to balance the damage she’s done since the beginning of her Speaker tenure. I know Americans tend to have short memories, but it’s difficult to forget that damage she’s allowed to happen, when she could have at least attempted to do something about it. The apologists will claim that she just doesn’t have enough of a majority, and I’ll agree that the blue dog dems do set her back. But, that’s not an excuse. That’s like saying you failed the test because the professor didn’t give you the answers in advance. She’s supposed to work a consensus. It’s her job. She’s failed miserably, because she hasn’t even tried.

And, her stated reasons for whipping up on Murtha and his war tax idea are so lame as to make me puke. She doesn’t want a war tax, because this war just needs to be ended, so she doesn’t want any funding of it. So, what’s she gonna do about georgies latest demand? Give him the money. Maybe she’ll come up with a ‘counter offer’, but she won’t just say no.

Because….any tax for this thing, would come from HER crowd, not ours. That’s where her interests are. Better out of OUR pockets than hers. (or Boeings, or her husband’s, or any of the rest of the elite crowd of the most wealthy).

#109257 by bc41

•  Rice, of all people, is talking peace and looking for negotiation with Iran,

Bc41…Where oh where have you been? This is what Condo said YESTERDAY. It’s a re-run of her run-up to Iraq. The only thing she left out was the mushroom cloud.   

Iran “perhaps single greatest” security risk to US: Rice  

Iran’s nuclear program and alleged backing of terrorism represent “perhaps the single greatest challenge” to US national security, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said Wednesday.

“We are very concerned that the policies of Iran constitute perhaps the single greatest challenge to American security interests in the Middle East and around the world,” she said at a hearing in Congress.

(This is the pitch to sell Congress on the next attack…already planned”.)

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=071024141828.xc988yq6&show_article=1

•  #109412 by heaavyrunner on 10/24 at 7:31 pm
Why do we not see more interviews with returning soldiers who have been stationed in Iraq?

Heaavyrunner,
I’d say it’s been the same reason why they sneak our dead and wounded troops back into the US, under cover of night, allowing no journalists to portray these visions to the American public.

HOWEVER, there have in fact been more of them recently, including several on this site. Check the one on Dissenters. We are in fact hearing from more and more of them, but they don’t make it easy for those who do in fact speak out. Oh no. The thugs have gone after them with high tech lynch mobs.

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By heaavyrunner, October 24, 2007 at 8:31 pm Link to this comment

Why do we not see more interviews with returning soldiers who have been stationed in Iraq?  A friend of mine’s son was in Iraq last year.  When he came home he told us that the place was a complete disaster.

His job was to train the Iraqi army and he said, “The guys we train in the day are the same guys we fight at night.”  His best friend was killed in action, and Travis witnessed the events, two weeks before they were to return to the U.S. at the end of their deployment.

Why do we not see more interviews with soldiers who have seen first hand what is going on there?  The ones I talk to have a different story to tell than the one I read in the press.  I think it is even more stark that what you see on Democracy Now!

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By Don Stivers, October 24, 2007 at 7:46 pm Link to this comment

One would think that this country could invest in fire fighting equipment to protect and save our natural resources and protect property.  Where are our super tanker fire retardant bombers and other equipment to fight fire.  We spend BILLIONS on our killing machine that has no constructive value. 

Come on!  Where are our fancy ultra expensive planes to drop retardant.  We spend almost a billion dollars on a single plane to drop weapons (the F-22 including development costs).

California is burning but we have to invest in Iraq because FREEDOM is so important.  We were not asked to give it to the Iraqis.  We visited freedom onto them at a tremendous cost in life and money.

Invest in our own country?  What a dumb shit you are President Bush and your whole administration.  You to Pelosi.

All of you have fucked up.  Big time.  I have not the words.

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By PatrickHenry, October 24, 2007 at 6:56 pm Link to this comment

Lenin said “they will sell us the rope which we will hang them by”.

In a Bush presidency its more like we will borrow the rope to hang ourselves with.

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By thomas billis, October 24, 2007 at 5:36 pm Link to this comment
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Hey let us keep it real.Some intelligent democrats came up with the idea of a slight tax increase to pay for the war and guess who killed it.Nancy Pelosi.I think that Nancy thinks if she kisses of the ass of the Republicans that she will be speaker no matter who controls the House.Nancy a word of caution.Listen to the Democrats in this country they are the ones who will keep where you are.

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By Inherit The Wind, October 24, 2007 at 1:27 pm Link to this comment
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Scott on 10/24 at 10:07 am
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The thing I wonder about is how China can afford to loan so much money to America, let me guess, they borrowed it from the Ferengi?

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FYI, “ferengi” is the Farsi word for “foreigner”, and was long before Gene Roddenberry got hold of it.

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By Trixie, October 24, 2007 at 1:15 pm Link to this comment
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Since I can’t do anything about Bush, et. Al., I can but pity the young and thank heavens I’m old.

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By rodney, October 24, 2007 at 1:10 pm Link to this comment
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Next election refuse to vote foe any politiican who continues to fund the war. Throw out all of the bums. Let’s get a whole new group of people elected who are not concerned about losing a already lost war. Also impeachment isn’t good enough. Try the Bush Administration for war crimes.

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By purplewolf, October 24, 2007 at 12:37 pm Link to this comment

Talk about a REAL COWARD BUSH IS,hiding behind the family of a dead marine.It’s almost as bad as his photo op a few months ago with the two injured soldiers on each side of Bush out for a morning jog.One man had one artificial leg,while the other one had two artificial legs,and it looked like they both were physically holding Bush up.We have none other than G.W. to thank for the injuries these men endured.

This latest demand for more $$ under the guise of funding our troops would bring the total of extra $$ just for Iraq to about 800 billion(800,000,000,000)a year,as Cyrens pointed out people need to see how big that actually is,this equals to about 16 billion dollars per week for Iraq,or about 2.3 billion dollars a day just for Iraq,yet we cannot afford 7 billion dollars for 1 year of SCHIP-that would only cost about 3 days of Iraq for 1 year of health coverage.But we all know the war is more important

THE ONLY PERSON PUTTING THE TROOPS IN HARMS WAY IS GEORGE W. BUSH BY CONTINUING THIS MADNESS.

Turn the open sign around to closed,just like real banks do to George Bushs demands for more money.His credit rating,like his creditability rating is so low it is virtually non-existant.

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By John Borowski, October 24, 2007 at 11:32 am Link to this comment
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A make - believe open letter from the Republicans (Aka Conservative right wingers) to their dearly beloved, the Oil Robber Barons:
Dear dearly beloved,
We realize your desire to really screw the American people due to your bitter disappointment during the summer driving season. All the holiday summer driving weekends were blessed with beautiful weather. Despite this, most oil companies reported only sixteen billion dollars profit for the first quarter. The projections by the car break down on the highway companies forecasted two hundred and fifty million vehicles on each holiday weekend. The state polices reported that they saw a few cars on the highway, but believe all the rest took a short cut through the fantasy woods. At the present period, the stock market shares are threatening to join whale waste. On top of this, the little guys (The smart ones) are putting their money in their mattresses even though some are heavy smokers. The other robber barons are screaming bloody murder because the little guys (The smart ones) are not dropping till they are shopping. They are complaining that they only have less than 2 months to go for the holy shopping season and nothing. Despite starting to crank out Christmas in July with the expectation of the cash registers singing “God Bless America” one could get mugged in the malls because they are so empty. If we can entice the little guys (The smart ones) to put their money (What little they have left) back in the stock market we can override the horrendous criminality that exists now in the stock market. We promise you if you practice restraint now by not raising a barrel of oil to a record breaking one hundred dollars we have a gift for you. Our weather forecasters have assured us that there will be a very cold winter. By that time you will be allowed to raise the price of a barrel of heating oil to two hundred dollars a barrel. As a bonus we will pass a law (despite the Democratic majority) that will allow people to buy huge trucks and write the cost of the trucks off their taxes. God bless you beloved and God bless your profits.                  Your eternal servant,
                                  Republicans (Ala Conservatives right wingers)

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By August West, October 24, 2007 at 11:24 am Link to this comment

Next thing you know the Decider will tell us we need a tax cut to pay for this war.

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By Louise, October 24, 2007 at 11:15 am Link to this comment

October 23rd, 2007 3:16 pm
Kucinich pushes Bush impeachment

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/latestnews/index.php?id=10462

“I’m going to talk to members of Congress this week and tell them taking impeachment off the table is a big mistake,” he said.

Kucinich was moved to take action, he said, in part because of Bush’s recent suggestion to reporters that a world war with Iran might be imminent, leading Kucinich to wonder “whether he’s playing with Armageddon or he’s not well.”

“The world can’t countenance the president of the United States raising the specter of World War III,” he said. “A president must be temperate with his words.”

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And congressional support for Cheney impeachment is slowly but surely growing.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d110:2:./temp/~bdmZ3y::|/bss/d110query.html|

co-sponsors now up to 21:
Folks ... start writing and phoning ...

NOW

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By Scott, October 24, 2007 at 11:07 am Link to this comment

The thing I wonder about is how China can afford to loan so much money to America, let me guess, they borrowed it from the Ferengi?

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By Inherit The Wind, October 24, 2007 at 10:52 am Link to this comment
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I hate this. Democrats act like spineless cowardly wimps to avoid looking like spineless cowardly wimps.

Meanwhile Major Frank Burns is President.

JUST SAY NO!  Your Democratic base will THANK you.

Demand that Bush PAY for his funding, not just borrow against the future.  Make him cut stuff or raise taxes—and pass NOTHING if it doesn’t raise taxes on the richest.

All they have to do is say “No” and KEEP saying “No” until President Mussolini gives in to tries to establish martial law.

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By Eric L Prentis, October 24, 2007 at 10:33 am Link to this comment
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We can support the troops much better if they are stationed in the US and out of harms way in Iraq. What 70% of the American people do not support is President Bush’s false war policy in Iraq. No more money on a failed-phony strategy of war aggression and occupation in a Iraqi civil war. America’s military lunacy in Iraq has to end now!

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By mackTN, October 24, 2007 at 8:48 am Link to this comment

I would like to know exactly how this money is being spent.  What does it have to do with the Marine who died?  If the soldiers needed these funds, why are they requested in a supplemental?  Why not ask exactly how this money is to be spent?

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By bc41, October 24, 2007 at 8:48 am Link to this comment

My belief is that the Middle East mimics how the US presents itself.  I think of it when President Bush wants money for the terror threat and when everyone groans, here comes Ben Ladin with another tape.  If a president runs policy as, “my way or the highway,” that’s how the Middle East has tried to run itself.  More progress was accomplished recently by showing democracy in action when Congress negotiated with Bush in getting benchmarks.  This is what I see:  We’re getting honest, frank talk from Maliki says he doesn’t care if we leave (is frustrated), says the US is bombing civilians too much and he is concerned that the US wants control of Iraqi oil, not it’s stated purpose to divvy it up among factions.  More reports in the paper come in on Iraqi faction’s dislike for Al Queda, free will is surfacing, what do they want with this crazy ideology.  Petreus is implementing good deeds on high level policy to win over people (he is not for bully tactics), tells soldiers to get out of their vehicles and, essentially, show them you’re not monsters.  Rice, of all people, is talking peace and looking for negotiation with Iran, and the Iranian president himself has sought to test is beliefs with others even accepting in part other views.  Pakistan is allowing more diverse opinion on leadership.

All this because Pelosi stood as an equal to the all-knowing Bush who wishes his own unadvised policy everywhere.  This is what a democracy does, it hashes things out, Madam Speaker, I suggest to present no bill until the Senate compromises. It’s Bush who needs the funding.  It is sybolic that Americans have control of their goverment policy, the Middle East is watching.

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By steve, October 24, 2007 at 8:33 am Link to this comment
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Why don’t the Democrats push Bush & the Republicans into paying for the war as they go along with the funding.  It seems odd that the Democrats don’t include the war in their supposed Pay-Go policy. Just say fine to the President, you want $50-200 billion for the war , how do you propose to pay for it? Higher taxes or cuts in the budget? Force the president to pay for this fiasco, now!

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By farmertx, October 24, 2007 at 6:52 am Link to this comment

While it pains me to read of ill will towards our troops in the field, I have reached the point where I can’t really respond to that ill will, other than to say, I’m starting to agree.
Never before have our troops been so ill-used by a “Commander-in-Chief”.
Having avoided military service during the ‘Nam Conflict by using undue outside special influence, Shrub now surrounds himself with troops and talks of supporting them.
But the bottom of the barrel is getting closer. We read that the Army is having to extend basic training by one week due to the caliber of enlistee’s now.(so much for his ‘best and brightest’)
Soon the Army will be recruiting among the Latino gangs, offering citizenship as well as training to be a more effective gang member if they survive. Plus a wad of cash up front.
That assumes that the Dollar doesn’t devalue too quickly, leaving us awash in play money. Except for that 1% who have all their big money overseas in gold or stable currencies. Like our current “leadership”.

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By thomas billis, October 24, 2007 at 4:13 am Link to this comment
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The next generation will wake up deep in debt and missing a constitution,Good job my generation.Thank God we have the opposition party rubber stamping everything the moron does.The best part is the rhetoric.As TR said run off at the mouth and wield a small stick.If there was ever time a third party could win in America it is now.I am talking about a Bloomberg third party not a Jesus for President third party.

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By waxman, October 24, 2007 at 4:05 am Link to this comment

THE ONLY WAY THE REPUBLICIANS WILL BE ABLE TO KEEP THEIR WAR GOING IS TO BRING BACK THE DRAFT…ITS THAT SIMPLE PEOPLE…..

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By Douglas Chalmers, October 24, 2007 at 3:15 am Link to this comment

You got it, cyrena! Mock’racy - Demo’crazy, uhh! (Fela Kuti - “Teacher don’t Teach me Nonsense”)

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By cyrena, October 24, 2007 at 2:29 am Link to this comment

#109181 by Douglas Chalmers

...“Its your right as voting citizens in a f#ckin’ democracy…...”

Ah Douglas, if only it were true, (about this being a democracy). It isn’t you know…not any longer at least.

It’s like one of the local bumper stickers declares very simply…

—-IGNORE YOUR RIGHTS, AND THEY WILL GO AWAY—-

And, that’s exactly what the dumbed-down and brainwashed American public has chosen to do.

HOWEVER, I WILL still copy and share this very excellant piece by Mr. Scheer, (because it is…I very much appreciate him putting these dollar amounts in print for us) so that I might try AGAIN, to wake some people up.

It is still most impossible for me to comprehend how these politicians allow george to threaten them, like back last summer, when he told them they couldn’t leave on the summer recess until they wrote and passed a legislation to approve his illegal spying. They did, instead of politely suggesting that he kiss our collective asses, and assure him that we’d get back to it, after the break. (now of course, they’re all running around like ninnies, trying to undo the damage that they didn’t have to create to begin with).

So, I don’t know that I hold out much hope that they will say NO this time either.

Still, I’m going to pass this along, to anyone who might be in a position to influence their Congress person as effectively as george seems to be able to do. He just threatens them, and they do it. So, how about if we all just threaten to fire their asses right now, if they don’t say NO!

Now, in a REAL democracy, THAT would be intimidating. In other words, in real democracies, the GOVERNMENT is afraid of the PEOPLE, rather than the PEOPLE being afraid of the GOVERNMENT.

So, you see how I’m having trouble with the democracy concept here in the 21st Century, as it might apply to our own form of government.

Thanks again Mr. Sheer. We’ll see if my fellow citizens can practice putting the appropriate number of zeros to all of these figures. Sometimes that helps with the concept, since I honestly wonder if they really understand how much a BILLION dollars actually is, and how it doesn’t grow on trees, or simply reproduce itself at the ATM, by some magical technology.

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By Douglas Chalmers, October 23, 2007 at 11:46 pm Link to this comment

“...when a Marine dies a needless death in Iraq, a country that had nothing whatsoever to do with 9/11, or in any substantiated way presented a threat to the United States, and his family can be produced as cover for a president determined to morally and financially bankrupt the nation…”

If no-one in Congress can say it, then I will - MARINES ARE SUCKERS!!!! Sadly, that goes for their families, too, uhh, and especially for those who are bereaved.

You who offer yourselves the the “old whore” (the Army/Navy/whatever) and spill your blood - WAKE UP!!! Start thinking! Its your right as voting citizens in a f#ckin’ democracy…...

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By G.Anderson, October 23, 2007 at 11:27 pm Link to this comment

I fell into a burning ring of fire, I went down down down and the flames went higher and it burned burned burned the ring of fire the ring of fire….the ring of fire…

Duh te duh te duh, duh duh duh…
Duh te duh te duh, duh duh duh…

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