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Posted on Oct 1, 2007
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This photo of Marva participants was posted on the Facebook group “Marva best 2 months ever.”

By Chris Hedges

If you are a young Muslim American and head off to the Middle East for a spell in a fundamentalist “madrassa,” or religious school, Homeland Security will probably greet you at the airport when you return.  But if you are an American Jew and you join hundreds of teenagers from Europe and Mexico for an eight-week training course run by the Israel Defense Forces, you can post your picture wearing an Israeli army uniform and holding an automatic weapon on MySpace.

The Marva program, part summer camp part indoctrination, was launched in Israel in 1981.  It allows participants, who must be Jewish and between the ages of 18 and 28, to fire weapons, live in military barracks in the Negev desert and saunter around in an Israeli military uniform saluting and taking long hikes with military packs.  The Youth and Education Corps of the Israel Defense Forces run four 120-strong training sessions a year.   

“Upon arrival, the participants experience an abrupt change into army life: wearing uniforms, accepting army discipline, and learning the programs and lessons integral to the program,” the Let Israelis Show You Israel Web site reads.  “The program includes military content such as: navigation, field training, weapons training, shooting ranges, marches and more, as well as educational content such as: Zionism, Jewish Identity, history and knowledge of the land of Israel.  All of this is taught in Hebrew in an intensive eight weeks.”

“The participants finish the program after completing a short, intensive, exhilarating military experience that allows them to taste Israel in a way that they never could before—as part of the Israel Defense Forces,” the site reads.  “They leave the program with a feeling of belonging and a strong connection to Israel, and many return to Israel to continue the connection that was created in the framework of the Marva course.”

There are, of course, gushing testimonials about the program.

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“I spent the first few days of Marva doubting my decision, wondering why I had come, wondering if there was any way out.  With all of the running, yelling orders, discipline and Hebrew, I felt horribly out of place,” writes Canadian David Roth of his summer.  “It was a completely different world from the one I was used to.  All that changed, though, by the end of the first week.  We had our first ‘Masa’ (Hike).  It was very hard, but at the end, we all knew, our M16s were waiting for us at the ‘tekes’ (Ceremony).  We got through the 8 kilometers and had our ‘tekes’ and got our guns.  It felt amazing, and from that point on Marva was incredible.”

How have we reacted when we discovered that American Muslims were being taught in a foreign country to fire machine guns at paper figures and simulate military maneuvers?  And what about the summer schools in Gaza organized by Islamic Jihad designed to train young Palestinians in the basics of military life?  These Gaza camps, uncovered in 2001, were widely denounced by Israel as proof that the Palestinians were teaching their children to hate and kill.

The argument in favor of camps in Israel, as opposed to camps in Pakistan, is that these young men and women are not going to come back and use what they have learned to harm Americans.  They are not terrorists.  Muslims, however, have not cornered the market on terrorism and violence.  Radical Jews have also been involved in terrorist attacks in Israel and the United States.

I discovered an American in Israel in 1989 named Robert Manning.  A huge, burly man, Manning was living in the West Bank Jewish settlement of Kiyrat Arba.  When I found him he was carrying a pistol, a large knife strapped to his leg and an M-16 assault rifle.  He was part of a Jewish terrorist group called Committee for Protection and Safety of the Highways that set up ad hoc roadblocks and pulled Palestinians from cars to beat and often shoot them.  He was a follower of Meir Kahane, the leader of the Jewish Defense League, who was implicated in terrorist attacks in the United States and Israel.  Manning served as a reservist in the Israel Defense Forces in the West Bank. 

Manning was wanted in California for murder.  He had been charged in a 1980 mail-bomb killing as part of his involvement in the Jewish Defense League.  The bomb was intended for the owner of a local computer firm, but the package holding the device was opened by the firm’s secretary, Patricia Wilkerson, who was killed instantly by the blast. 

Manning, full of bluster and a bitter racism toward Arabs, used as his pseudonym the name of the FBI agent in charge of his case, a bit of humor that backfired on him by confirming my suspicion of his identify.  I obtained the picture from his California driver’s license and showed it to his neighbors at Kiyrat Arba.  They identified him from the photo.  I wrote an article affirming that Manning, heavily armed and an active member of the Israeli army, was living in a Jewish settlement.  The Israeli government, until that moment, said it had no information about his location.  He was extradited in 1993 and sentenced the next year to life imprisonment without the possibility of parole for 30 years.  He is in a maximum-security prison in Florence, Colo.

Those who go through the Marva summer program are indoctrinated as thoroughly as Muslims who go overseas and are told they are part of a greater jihad for Islam.  The results, given Israel’s close alliance with the United States, may not be negative for those in power in the United States, but it may be very negative for those Americans defined as the enemy, especially Muslims, should we suffer another 9/11.  The program inculcates hatred and a belief in the efficacy of violence to solve the problems in the Middle East.  It identifies Israel with militarism.  It feeds the idea that a Jew born in Brooklyn has a birthright to settle in Israel that is denied to an American of Palestinian descent. 

Jerusalem, aside from being one of the most beautiful cities in the world, is one of the most literate, creative and intellectual.  Do these young men and women really know the best of Israel by spending eight weeks playing soldier and glorifying the military?  Is the cause of Israel advanced by mirroring the twisted militarism of Islamic fundamentalists? 

Terrorists arise in all cultures, all nations and all religions.  We have produced more than our share.  Ask the people of Vietnam or Iraq.  The danger of a military program such as these is that it solidifies a mind-set of us and them.  It romanticizes violence.  It widens the divide that leads to conflict.  It makes dialogue impossible.  There are great Israeli institutions, from the newspaper Haaretz to the courageous Israeli human rights organization B’Tselem  to Peace Now.  A summer working for them, rather than wearing an army uniform, unleashing bursts of automatic fire in the desert and singing Israeli patriotic songs, might actually help.

 


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By same ole mookie, October 2, 2007 at 8:06 pm Link to this comment

Holy cow, I never heard so much hatred in my life. Not since the last KKK meeting I attended. (joke)

“Let there be peace and let it begin with me” ~ Tom Paxton


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By Frank, October 2, 2007 at 6:36 pm Link to this comment
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Huh? I wonder if it has something to do with the open war we are wagging against Muslim fundamentalists versus that Israel is an ally of ours?

I imagine in 1944 if you went to a Nazi school on aero space design the government would have looked into you as well, versus going to the Royal Air Force for training.

I mean correct me if I am wrong…but we are at war with two countries in the Middle East (Iraq and Afghanistan) and close to another one with Iran. We were attacked my Muslim fundamentalists, England was attacked and Spain was attacked as well.  So, to be honest I would think the government would be amiss…no…negligent if they did not look at people who went to fundamentalist schools in the Middle East.

And mentioning one act of terrorism by a radical Jew compared to the many many acts of terrorism by the Muslims show a raising tide of anti-Semetic behavior under the “guise” of peaceful protests against the war. 

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By Akira_Maritias, October 2, 2007 at 6:05 pm Link to this comment

Calm, it saddens me to an extent because a good deal of my family is buried in a mass grave in the Ukraine-a mass grave uncovered only a few months ago, I think. What’s terrifying is that my family didn’t even KNOW that this chunk of our history was buried there; multiple generations lay there that we never even knew were there. Great-cousins, Great-Uncles, etc…all dead. Dead for no good reason.

The Armenian genocide was hidden from the public eye because America kept trading with Turkey for…I think it was helicopters. When the genocide finally got slapped onto the table, many people were mortified. I don’t even remember if Turkey said ‘sorry’; I just know that no one made a big effort to make them pay for what they did.

I wonder if twenty years down the line we’ll discover mass graves of innocent Palestinians that just didn’t want to leave the home they grew up in…covered up by the world that feels guilt for the Jews…in a world that views Israel as holy, I fear that innocent blood will be allowed to quietly spill to keep Israel full of Jews-and only Jews.

There’s a clear gap with the comments here:

Some people agree that Israel is getting out of hand.

Others think that the article is stoopid and think that the former people are stoopid for saying anything that might be anti-Jewish in the smallest form.

Never mind that the Jews in Israel are doing something wrong; kill those Palestinians, as they are in the way of the Jews!

I never once said that this was okay anywhere else, either: senseless violence and romanticizing of violence is ridiculous and foul; I cringe when America does it, and it certainly displeases me to see any country do it. Israel does it and the entire world seems to pat it on the back-civilians and all. The Palestinians are left huddled in a corner, poor, defenseless, hungry…and no one so much as glances at them.

All in the name of Yahweh…praise be to Yahweh, the kind and just harbinger of death…

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By baker41, October 2, 2007 at 5:30 pm Link to this comment
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If Jews are not a race (as MUDWOLLOW many other Jews would have you believe) then how do individuals who hate or criticize Jews become anti-semites?

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By Zampan0, October 2, 2007 at 5:28 pm Link to this comment
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‘inherit the wind’ said;  “Hello!  If the Israeli Defense Forces weren’t the toughest, best-trained, most disciplined and highly combat-experienced in the world, Israel wouldn’t exist”.  from what i’ve seen they are cowards all. of course they have the best weapons money and blackmail can buy, but please,  call them what they are. that is, vicious kid killing punks.  most are homo sexuals also.

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By Char, October 2, 2007 at 5:22 pm Link to this comment
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Jewish terrorists?  One nutty guy he was probably thrilled to find?  The Jews want a SAFE PLACE TO LIVE and to DEFEND THEMSELVES.  The Jews invented civilization, pagans try to destroy civilization.  Find some real statistics about who is behind most of the terror in the world, Mr. Hedges, Mr. Smartguy.  Maybe that’s why you hate them, because the Jews are smarter than you are.

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By Neoconned, October 2, 2007 at 5:01 pm Link to this comment
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#104144 by lilmamzer on 10/02 at 2:48 pm

Rabin was a Zionist, you moron.
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So who killed him, you Whore???


Thankgod there are some decent people of the Jewish Faith; great people.  You are not one of them.
You are just right wing racist lying trash.

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By Robert Chin, October 2, 2007 at 4:29 pm Link to this comment
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Oh yeah, you had to look pretty hard to find Robert Manning, ‘cu’z there aren’t thousands of ‘em like there are Muslims! And when is the last time a Jew blew up a shopping mall, bombed a city bus or took down a skyscraper! Get real! Do you really think your readers are THAT stupid?

Furthermore, to say the ‘indoctrination’ is the same as what Muslims train for is a blatant lie! Marva trainees aren’t brainwashed to hate Muslims, aren’t conditioned to glorify death and ‘martyrdom’ , and don’t look forward to applying their skills to civillians. You can count on one or two hands tops the number of Robert Mannings out there.

You’d need a Cray Supercomputer to count the Muslims like that.

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By lilmamzer, October 2, 2007 at 3:48 pm Link to this comment

#104131 by Neoconned

Ohhh yes….I forgot.  The “exclusive” Jewish Holocaust gives you a license to Kill ANYONE…including Rabin.

Rabin was a Zionist, you moron.

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By PatrickHenry, October 2, 2007 at 3:47 pm Link to this comment

Serving your country by a tour in the national guard, peace corps or other civic organization should be encouraged. 

The standing military should be a draft.

If these young men choose to attend military training of another country they should have to register as a dual citizen of that country and be suspect in any secrecy requirements of employment. 

Perhaps in their zeal to recieve weapons training they should be inducted into the military of the U.S., where, they may be deployed to defend their country against all enemies foreign and domestic.

I am neither jew or muslim and the millennial blood feud between them only creates hate, fear and suffering for the rest of the world, wherever.

I just don’t want my tax dollars to fund any weapons for either side.

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By Lee Byfield, October 2, 2007 at 3:39 pm Link to this comment
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I am a Reform Jew. I visited Israel in April. I believe that there is work to be done to achieve peace on both sides of the conflict in Israel/ Palestine. Calliing Jews liars because Kol Nidre says to God “please absolve me of my vows” is ignorant and intolerant. The prayer only deals with vows to God, and was likely written where Jews were forced to convert to Christianity. To most Jews today, it is a beautiful song at the beginning of Yom Kippur, and not much more.
  The military training program in the article is not something I would recommend, but it is not a huge program and does not create terrorists.
  As to the existence of Israel as a Jewish stste: It was an accident of history, and maybe some Arabs paid for the sins of Europe. Twenty percent of the people in Israel today are Arabs, and while they may not be happy about the government, they live in relative peace and prosperity. Meanwhile, Jews were exiled from their centuries-old homes in Arab countries. Perhaps some transfer - compensation for Jews forced to leave Iraq and Tunisia, as well as Palestinians who fled when Israel was founded.
  I compare Israel to California. The wall separating Tijuana and San Diego is like the one between Jerusalem and Bethlehem. Maybe English-speaking people in California should go “back” to wherever they came from, Spanish should be the only spoken language, and only people who can prove Mexican or Native American ancestry should be permitted to live in California.  After all, the Unitedd States did steal the land. Or maybe it’s too late to go back.  Maybe we should look at what is now on the ground, and work for peace from there.
  My last point is that the Jewish religion is respectful of Islam and Christianity, and even the most ardent Zionists do not hate Islam

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By Calm, October 2, 2007 at 2:49 pm Link to this comment
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A Declaration of Independence From Israel
By Chris Hedges
July 02, 2007
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20070702_a_declaration_of_independence_from_israel

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By Neoconned, October 2, 2007 at 2:32 pm Link to this comment
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#104109 by lilmamzer on 10/02 at 11:54 am

What is reflexive in observing how bigoted you and your friends behave?  Ohhh Yes, I forgot: Jehovah gave you the right, as the chosen ones, to look down the rest of us Scum.

When will we learn?  Jews killing scum goyim is natural since we are animals.  Goyim objecting is anti-semitic.  Nice to see your Master Race is armed to the teeth so you can keep on making enemies. 

Who is the next victim of your Mossad Death Squad, you facist???

Ohhh yes….I forgot.  The “exclusive” Jewish Holocaust gives you a license to Kill ANYONE…including Rabin.

GROW UP!!!

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By RonB, October 2, 2007 at 2:27 pm Link to this comment
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Let me see now, who would I shoot on sight if they were out side my house with a gun, the Jew or the Muslim?

Your right, I refuse to allow my female family members to live under Shira law.  I can put up with the interest rates from the Jews.

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By Liza, October 2, 2007 at 1:52 pm Link to this comment
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lilmamzer,
If you’re anything but a filthy mouthed Fox News fan, it isn’t apparent to anyone.

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By lilmamzer, October 2, 2007 at 12:54 pm Link to this comment

Hedges does his cause (the delegitimization of Israel and the right of Jews to self-determination in their homeland) a disservice by writing crap like this.

Neoconned, weather, Paolo, and the rest of the reflexive knee-jerk Israel-haters robotically make their asinine statements like Pavlov’s dog - they do it every time Hedges posts his whiny screeds.

And the net effect? Galvanizing thinking, rational, and fair-minded people who read the aforementioned bigots’ posts into supporting Israel.

Thanks, asswipes - job well done.

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By Terence, October 2, 2007 at 11:45 am Link to this comment
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Interesting - I feel the same way. Why should I as a Cornish descended Australian be refused entry to the UK in favour of Pakistanis, Arabs and East Europeans. My people too were ethnically cleansed by the English.

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By jim carmine, October 2, 2007 at 11:16 am Link to this comment
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Well that’s some pretty paranoid lunacy.

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By robtz, October 2, 2007 at 11:13 am Link to this comment
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Most of you are missing the point of the article and misusing the article to project your own violent anger. Read again,

“The danger of a military program such as these is that it solidifies a mind-set of us and them.  It romanticizes violence.  It widens the divide that leads to conflict.  It makes dialogue impossible.  There are great Israeli institutions, from the newspaper Haaretz to the courageous Israeli human rights organization B’Tselem to Peace Now.”

Do you think only Israel has nationalistic groups? Some of you are just as ignorant as the children of Marva. Or maybe you are members of an Islamic or Christian nationalist group and just can’t stand the competition.
In the end, your so-called compassion for the Palestinians is just phony. Mostly you just hate Israel and will use any rational article to project your venom.

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By Inherit The Wind, October 2, 2007 at 11:10 am Link to this comment
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There’s no sin that the rising neo-nazis won’t blame the Jews for.  Now, Judaism is violent:

“Jews are a violent people, and Judaism is a muderous religion.”

Yet 60 years ago, or a 100 years ago, or 150 years ago, or 500 years a ago, an idiotic statement like that by “Marcus” would have been LAUGHED at—even by vehement Jew-haters. No, then they would have been cursed for being money-lenders, and, of course, NOT Christian.

Plus, some other neo-nazi, “Non Credo” writes:
“One thing you could say for German supremacist fanatics: at least they had the guts to fight their own war of aggression.”

Hello!  If the Israeli Defense Forces weren’t the toughest, best-trained, most disciplined and highly combat-experienced in the world, Israel wouldn’t exist.  Can’t have it both ways: Israelis can’t be tough, dominant, effective, even terrifying soldiers and cringing cowards at the same time.

But, the neo-nazi racists here will, of course, ascribe BOTH characteristics to Jews at the same time.  That’s the wonder of bigotry: incongruous impossibilities that can’t exist to a rational mind are “facts” to these bozos.

People have been hating Jews for thousands of years.  Just because a large part of the world learned about freedom and democracy in the 20th century, doesn’t erase 3,000 years of Jew-hating.  So many still get it at their mother’s tit along with her milk.

And every half-century or so it pops up again, and becomes acceptable for the reason of the day.

But because so many super-leftists are sypathetic to the plight of Palestinians, they have left a HUGE hole for the Hitlerites to exploit—and exploit it they did.

And they keep crawling out of the woodwork here at Truthdig.com

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By Neoconned, October 2, 2007 at 10:45 am Link to this comment
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#104034 by Dr RJP on 10/02 at 7:42 am

Maybe you have heared the term :We can forgive them for killing our children, but we can’t forgive them for MAKING us kill theirs”?

What sanctimonious lies and double talk.  Thank God not all Israelis are Supremacists.  Unfortunately the People at the Top are just that.  Racist and Blood thirsty.

Israel is a Militarized State because there is too much weapons and arms sales for it not to be.  All this bleeding heart stuff from the politicians is just lies for Western Consumption. 

I’m just surprised Mossad hasn’t set up death camps in the Negev Desert to gas the Palestinians in a Final Solution yet.

Israel is scared of Iran?  What a load of Hogwash.  israel has enough firepower to anhilate America.  What do they have to fear from Iran?  Israel just dosn’t want to do the dirty work.

But I know how the Mossad are going to get Bush to attack Iran.  They intend to smuggle a Nuclear Bomb to the US and set it off and blame the Iranians.  Bush believes the lies and wipes out Iran. Then Israel can take over the entire Oil Fields of Iraq and Iran, even if it takes the last American Soldier to do it.

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By THE MANGEMEISTER, October 2, 2007 at 10:43 am Link to this comment

Marcus writes"I pray that America will wake up and recognize the Zionist Cancer before it is to late.“I agree Marcus and this cancer extends beyond the Zionist war on Islam.

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By Joey, October 2, 2007 at 10:21 am Link to this comment
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guys lets just have peace in the world. 
http://www.zarinas.com/

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By JDonald, October 2, 2007 at 9:49 am Link to this comment
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THE FACES OF TERRORISM

Webster defines terror as
Acts that produce intense fear
And the intent of English usage
Is to be accurate and clear
But fear is so subjective
It’s in the mind of the beholder
So that threats to me aren’t threats to you
If you’re hardened, blind or bolder

The acts of terrorizing
Are to subjugate, destroy
Demoralize, intimidate
A most horrific ploy
Some are overt, while others hide
Behind the guise of powers
And terror wreaked its havoc
On the world trade center towers

But illegal occupation
And forcing curfews on the needy
Is psychological terror
That is inhumane and seedy
The killing of a bride and groom
By errant friendly fire
Turns a joyful celebration
Into a fearful funeral pyre

Let’s be honest as we struggle
To do the thing that’s right
Don’t accede to Sharon doctrine
Rumsfeld’s military might
Our integrity is compromised
When our actions end in error
We find ourselves unknowingly
Fighting terror back with terror

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By Mudwollow, October 2, 2007 at 9:21 am Link to this comment

Hitler genuinely believed in his racial fantasies. We can discount Adolf for being a nutcase but many high-ranking academics in Germany eagerly took up Hitler’s ludicrous racial beliefs and attempted to legitimize them. Now the biggest proponents of Hitler’s asinine views regarding race are the “Jewish people”.

There is no Jewish race. There never has been and are never could have been. Homo sapiens are never so neat and orderly. There is only a Jewish religion of which anyone can join. Catholicism is not a race. Evangelism is not a race. Islam is not a race.

Jews are people. People who call themselves Jews. It’s only in their minds that they are Jews and they have a right to their beliefs. For the rest of us to go along with this absurdly childish notion that somehow there exists a unique and distinct Jewish race puts us in the same camp with Adolf Hitler.

These comments may have nothing to do with the article. Likewise the Jewish people have nothing to do with Israel, because “the Jewish people” are a fantasy.

Disclaimer: Mudwallow is a devout Homo sapien.

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By Leeron, October 2, 2007 at 9:18 am Link to this comment
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Can someone who is cheerleading this article please explain:

WHAT, IF ANY, CONNECTION IS THERE BETWEEN MANNING/KAHANE and MARVA?

Isn’t this like interspersing an article ostensibly about the US National Guard with totally unrelated references to the Unabomber?


What is even more frightening is the lack of thought (let alone progressive thought) of the cheerleaders, who use this article to condemn all things Israel - even Jewish - which is as illogical as Hedges’ false association of Marva to Manning.

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By Marcus, October 2, 2007 at 8:52 am Link to this comment
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Israel makes me sick.

An aparthied state, no ands, ifs, or buts about it.

Even the Nazi-style Marva training program is limited to Jews; the Hitler Youth of the 21st Century.

I pray that America will wake up and recognize the Zionist Cancer before it is too late.

Jews have been murdering Arabs for the past 120 years in Palestine. In ancient times, the world witnessed Jews murdering, raping, and looting from the Midianites, Cannanites, Jebusites, Moabites, and countless other nations. Jews are a violent people, and Judaism is a muderous religion.

“Palestine belongs to the Arabs in the same sense that England belongs to the English, and France to the French.”
- Mahatma Gandhi

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By Dr RJP, October 2, 2007 at 8:42 am Link to this comment
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The people calling the Kol Nidre prayer an oath to Zionism have no clue whatsoever, what this prayer means. What Jews are asking God to do, is to forgive them for FUTURE mistakes (such as vows made and broken) because they know that they are human, and that they will make them regardlessly.

THAT, my friends is ONE of the MAJOR DIFFERENCES between Jews and Muslims: I have never heard one, single Palestinian apologize for the killing of any Jews, whether intentionally or by accident.

Israel has apologized repeatedly, even in situations that were clearly NOT their fault, like the bogus Al-Dura incident, the bogus Jena “massacre,” and the bombing of the bogus “children’s hospital” during the Hezbollah war.

Furthermore, when will you people wake up and realize that you are perpetuating the BIGGEST LIE in history.

There has never been any nation or state called “Palestine.”

There are no such persons as “Palestinians” They are no different from any other Arabs.

The land that they claim is theirs belongs to Israel. Always has, gonig back 1,000 years before the birth of Mohammed.

There has never been any movement towards a “Palestinian state” or mention of a “Palestinian homeland” prior to the Oslo Accords in 1993 which dragged the lowlife terrorist, Yassir Arafat” out of hiding in Tunesia, and made him the leader of the “Palestinian people”

Arafat created the BIG LIE. Arafat created the myth of a “Palestinian homeland.” Check the facts. The whole idea was part of a massive PR campaign that apparently has been successful in warping the minds of those who prefer not to know the truth.

Then, there are the usual leftists who throw out names like “Irgun” and “Stern gang” but fail to mentino that (1)_ these groups were NOT affiliated with the government of Israel, (2) they were disbanded by the Israeli government, and (3) they were formed to fight against Arab terrorists and their enabler, the British military who looked the other way when Jews were slaughtered by Arabs.

NOW, COMPARE THAT TO THE PA-SPONSORED TERRORISTS RESPONSIBLE FOR BLOWING UP DISCOS, RESTAURANTS, SCHOOLS, AND SYNAGOGUES.

READ ABOUT THE 1929 MASSACRE OF JEWS IN HEBRON, and then tell me who started the mess.

The only real “occupation” in Israel is the one perpetrated on Jews by Arabs.

The only real “repression” in Israel is by Arab terrorists who want to get rid of all the Jews in Israel just as they had in the surrounding countries.

Israelis only want peace. “Palestinians” only want to get rid of all Israelis.

READ ABOUT THE 800,000 Jews expelled from Egypt, Syria, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Iraq in 1948 when these countries pledged to “drive the Jews into the sea.”

The vast majority of people who fled during the 1948 Arab-Israeli War did so at the behest of the Arab leaders who promised a “swift victory against the Zionist foe,” and promised that the refugees could go back and take all the land left beind by Jews.

ASK YOURSELF, “WHY ARE THERE PAlESTINIAN REFUGEE CAMPS IN LEBANON?

Did everybody forget who did 9/11? Does anyone care that Islamic terrorists want you dead, and want to destroy all Western democracies?

What does the Islamic conquest of the Sudan, Kenya, Indonesia, and the Phillipines have to do with Israel? Are millions of Christians around the world being persecuted for their faith by Muslims because of Israel?

Without Israel’s continued existence, ours would be in great jeopardy. So, if you are against Israel, then you are not on America’s side.

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By Neoconned, October 2, 2007 at 8:28 am Link to this comment
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#103989 by Lefty on 10/02 at 4:52 am

You keep telling yourself that if you like.  But that kind of disinformation is just typical of apologists for Israeli Violence.  There was a thriving Arab/Jewish community in Palestine until the Zionists decided to defecate on everything.  Since then we have had Sixty years of lies by creeps like you.

IF a Billion Muslims were so hell bent on killing Jews, do you think anything could stop them?  And wouldn’t it have happened already?????

So what is the answer?  Israel has gone out of its way to create enemies because that is how it defines itself.  And if we are talking about associations with facists, don’t forget Irgun’s and the Stern Gang’s links with Mussolini.

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By kungfoofighterx, October 2, 2007 at 8:03 am Link to this comment
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It is ironic. A Muslim who learns to use guns in another country gets in trouble while a Jew who learns to use guns in another country doesnt.  I can only think of the saying: an enemy of my enemy is my friend.  Its such a shame that one can break it down by religion.  There are violent people everywhere who learn to use assault weapons.  From gangs to extremists, one just needs to pick the camp and pick up a weapon.

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By jatihoon, October 2, 2007 at 7:47 am Link to this comment

Violence, violence, every where, no place to hide. A violence is violence , you can call it by any name, jewish, muslim, hindu or christian. Excellent job highlighting it. Time for world to wake up to this menace, before it engulf the whole mankind.

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By Ben Eliazar, October 2, 2007 at 7:14 am Link to this comment
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Nothing in the history of mankind has done greater harm to it than the superstition that G-d is a real estate agent who hands out plots of land to certain tribes who are, thereby, entitled to commit genocide.
And it doesn’t matter whether you call the plot ‘Lebensraum’ or ‘Promised Land’.

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By Howard, October 2, 2007 at 6:49 am Link to this comment

Right on Lefty !

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By Gary, October 2, 2007 at 5:41 am Link to this comment
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I personally have blond hair cannot grow a beard or dreadlocks. Those beanies look so Amish like.
Not into killing and I sure as hell would never have crucified Jesus. You may find the Palestinians are the chosen ones. He who suffers the most sometimes wins. Didn’t the Jews glorify 911?

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By Calm, October 2, 2007 at 5:38 am Link to this comment
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Hi! Akira_Maritias

I agree completely with your comments.

Here we are 60 years after the Hitler-Trip and Jewish Folks are still entering courthouses across this universe and insisting on justice and the “Right-Of-Return” of stolen artifacts, property and jewels confiscated by Hitler and The Clowns.

I think that the Palestinian people deserve the same “Right-Of-Return” and the same sense of justice that the Jewish Folks insisted upon in every courthouse in the land.

Never once did I hear any Jewish Person suggest that the “Facts Had Changed On The Ground” and thus the Jews we’re not entitled to compensation for losses incurred under Hitler … but this is the claim that the Jewish Folks make with the Palestinian People and their “Right-Of-Return”.

With the recent discovery of mass graves in the Sinai as a result Israeli atrocities carried out during the ‘67 war against Egyptian soldiers, .... the Israelis have refused to put any officers on trial, saying it was all too long ago.
http://edition.cnn.com/WORLD/9509/mass_graves

This is not what the Jewish folks claim as they themselves still enter courtrooms across this universe and demand accountability for Hitler’s crimes.

“If I were to be put on trial for what I did, then it would be necessary to put on trial at least one-half the Israeli army which, in similar circumstances, did what I did.”
—Israeli Brig. Gen. Aryeh Biro, who admitted to killing hundereds of unresisting Egyptians—
http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/0296/9602017.html

What really puts me over the edge is that at the same time (1948-1949) when the world was parading pictures of holocaust survivors within the media, the Prime Minister of the newly formed government of Israel was promoting and encouraging a holocaust against the Palestinian’s.

David Ben-Gurion, once said to his General Staff ....

“We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population.”
—David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978—
http://www.peoplejudgebush.org/Accountability/ZionistQuotes.shtml

That is almost exactly what Hitler said when speaking about the Jewish Folks!

And worse ..... Ben-Gurion said this at the same time that our media was parading holocaust victims across the universe and showing Jewish Folks crying and screaming “Never Again”.

In 1948, with Hitler dead less then 2 years, .... At the very heart of the newly formed country of Israel, .... at the highest levels of government, .... within the Israeli cabinet,  the Jewish folks were actually talking about committing a holocaust or committing the exact same crimes as Hitler was being chastised for.

I think the folks of Israel should hang their heads in shame and quit giving us the daily dose of holocaust guilt because they themselves are found to have been committing a holocaust against the Arab People.

During the Hitler-Trip, Jews were seen behind electric fences and barbed wire and today the Israeli’s have done exactly the same thing to the Palestinan People and with the building of the wall or barrier.

These despicable Israeli activities are an exact replication of its past sorrowful and sordid history during Hitler’s reign! What gruesome and loathing hypocrites they are!

[For an Israeli] to talk about peace is like a Whorehouse holding a convention about love.
—JohD, Nov. 15, 2003—
http://houston.indymedia.org/news/2003/11/18544_comment.php

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By Nikos, October 2, 2007 at 4:37 am Link to this comment
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Hitler’s Youth, anyone?

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By Akira_Maritias, October 2, 2007 at 3:29 am Link to this comment

I grow weary of Israel, I really do. Supported by America in the same barbaric way that the Crusades were considered God’s work, I see no point to it. It was land given to the Jews in their book, and they have no right to it otherwise. Instead of living there peacefully with the inhabitants already there, they were permitted to boot them out and claim their own country; a country which devours more and more land from their frightened and cornered neighbor.

I may be of Jewish descent, but I am behind the Palestinians 100%. It’s their land, and we have no right to steal it from them. We have no right to romanticize the slaughter of them, nor do we have a right to support such cruelty and hatred. The same group of people that suffered the holocaust are now foolish enough to invent their own? Why? Did we enjoy the camps so much that we decided to force down our own group of ‘inferior’ people?

It’s disgusting, it’s foul…it’s Israel. Destroy the boundary lines, call it all Palestine. Jews can live with Palestinians, it’s possible. It’s just that when you steal the land right out from under someone, they tend to get mad at you. An attack from them should not be answered with a counter-strike; give them back their land, at the very least the land that you have recently stolen, and stop withholding Palestinians from entering Israel; it is sheer humiliation and cruelty to force a pregnant woman to sit in a car until she gives birth because you don’t want her in Israel.

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By Puck, October 2, 2007 at 3:02 am Link to this comment
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Excellent points.  I blogged a link to this.

thanks.

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By nefertiti, October 2, 2007 at 1:58 am Link to this comment

Chris Hedges

wow , bravo , excllent article that must be read and shared by everyone , Yes the double standards are obvious but hey , Like George Orwell said , ALL animals are equal but some animals are more equal than Others . Bravo Again .

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By Lars S Flapensom, October 2, 2007 at 1:50 am Link to this comment
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I suppose a person doesn’t have to be a Zionist “in training” to enter into the 8 week program. They just need to be Jewish and willing to be trained by Zionists. What they do after 8 weeks of military training and indoctrination is up to them.

It’s not like anyone is forcing the recruit to volunteer, and I suppose nobody is forcing anyone to be a Zionist. And the US government says it’s legal. I’m just curious about the kind of person who would take an 8 week military course -taught by and sponsored by Zionists- with the intent to return to the US (or NA in general). Do they intend to finish college stateside and then migrate to Israel, or maybe keep “in shape” to come and fight if Israel calls them later on? Perhaps they intend to stay and live in NA and recruit? Perhaps the whole thing was just some form of bonding -an 8wk exercise in cultural identity building via MIL drills?

afterthought: They should really think about opening up the roster to include Christian Zionists. They could double the recruitment overnight.

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By Sabby, October 2, 2007 at 1:09 am Link to this comment
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Chris Hedges is touching a radio active topic. Chris, you can talk about all you want about American crimes in Iraq but if you dare extend your criticism to Israeli, that would be an end of your career. This applies to almost every journalist in the United States.

We can all say anything we want about Bush but we cannot say anything about Olmert or Sharon. We can say how Americans are killing innocent civilians in Iraq but we cannot say Israelis are killing innocent civilians in Palestine (even when Israelis have been killing palestinian civilians for almost 40 years now.)

We can call American occupation as occupation but we cannot call Israeli occupation as occupation, which is much more harsh and brutal.

Chris… you are going the wrong path my friend. Be careful… your career is at stake.. specially when you call yourself a Christian.. I think you know what I am talking about.. yup.. the ADL is watching you.. smile

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By Druthers, October 2, 2007 at 12:38 am Link to this comment
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#103865 by Jon on 10/01 at 2:44 pm

We were not hand-picked foreigners with an agenda, we each paid to join the program for an unforgettable 2 months and forged life-long friendships with both our fellow participants and our commanders

That is probably the goal of the operation.  To form lasting ties and forge sentiments of loyalty.  Such an organization will attract people who like to play soldier and develop a boy scout mentality… the uniform, the roughing it up with the boys and getting to shoot guns.  There is also the much vaunted “discipline” - “our commanders.”

I too understood that participating in a foreign military is incompatible with US citizenship but the only real crackdown seems to be on tourists going to Cuba.

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By Leeron, October 1, 2007 at 9:36 pm Link to this comment
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Hack journalism from a hack journalist.

Chris Hedges previously wrote an article, allegedly an eye-witness report (he said he wouldn’t include anything he didn’t himself see) in which he claimed that Israeli soldiers were shooting Arab children for “sport” with silenced M16 which the children couldn’t even hear when fired. Problem is, there is no such thing as a silenced M16. (There is a device which muffles the sound to protect the shooters’ ears, but not in the direction of the target). What he saw was rubber-bullet cannisters - and those don’t have the range nor can they cause the damage he reported.

In other words, had he SEEN these weapons actually fired, he’d have HEARD that what he theorized was wrong.


This article uses poor logic. It is a bait-and-switch shell game. There is no connection whatsoever made between the Marva program and Manning. NONE.

NO EVIDENCE at all is presented to support the charge that “The program inculcates hatred and a belief in the efficacy of violence to solve the problems in the Middle East.”

Would Hedges write a similar argument about people who perform military service in Europe?

Would Hedges likewise conclude that the British Army Cadets “inclucates hatred and… violence to solve the problems” of the world?

Simply ridiculous.

Wikipedia writes: “Marva has a greater focus on discipline and less of a focus on physical fitness compared to basic training for combat units in the army.”

To score political propaganda points, Hedges uses the presence of a bad apple in Israel (who was extradited to the US) to smear a reputable program. In doing so he discredits no one but himself (and the “useful idiots” who fall for this charade).

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By greenback, October 1, 2007 at 8:40 pm Link to this comment
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Truthdig, maybe follow up on this story with some coverage of all the Israeli soldiers who have laid down their weapons in protest to the slaughter of innocent Palestinians.

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By Paolo, October 1, 2007 at 8:32 pm Link to this comment

Comment by Rick Brown:

“It’s interesting to me what some readers of this website consider “terrorism.” I don’t consider myself a linguist yet I feel fairly certain that a “terrorist” is one that plans and executes operations with the explicit goal to kill as many people as possible and the implicit goal of scaring the shit out of the populous [sic].”

A libertarian response:

Well, taking your own definition, a tactical bombing campaign by the USA against defenseless cities in Iraq is clearly “terrorism!” Or do you subscribe to the theory that everything is legitimate and honorable so long as you wear a government-issued uniform?

Such actions clearly constitute “operations with the explicit goal to kill as many people as possible and the implicit goal of scaring the shit out of the populous [sic].” Don’t you think?

By your own given definition, were not the nukings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki acts of sheer, unbridled terrorism? How about the fire-bombing of Dresden, Germany? Or the utter destruction of Falluja?

Actually, I agree with you, one-hundred percent. Now, go and apply that same standard to state-sponsored soldiers. I don’t see how you can conclude anything else but that the United States, Israel, and many other nations engage in sheer terrorism all the time.

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By Anthony, October 1, 2007 at 7:05 pm Link to this comment
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This is so typical. If a muslim were to go overseas and engage in any sort of military training they go to prison. If some ill-guided romantic Zionists do the same thing they are praised and glorified. Heck they might even get a spot on the Larry King show. it takes a lot courage to pick on defenceless pregnant women.

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By FrostedFlakes, October 1, 2007 at 6:32 pm Link to this comment
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Dear Marjorie:
I’m so sorry, but I don’t know what world you have been living in. Not only have “we”,(and I use that pronoun lightly), been continually militaristic and violent we have once again reinstated the supposed “Manifest Destiny” line of crap in pursuit of the Middle East. The U.S. along with it’s proxy Israel are the true oppressors of many peoples of the world. A time will come when we will be held accountable for allowing this to go on undaunted for so long. God bless America, we really need it!!

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By calm, October 1, 2007 at 6:23 pm Link to this comment
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Hi! Salt

You wrote:
That’s absolute bullshit, and Jews don’t say a prayer like that on Kol Nidre, however given the sites you probably browse to find these non existent quotes you likely won’t believe that.
I reccomend reading an actual Jewish prayer book and the prayer for Kol Nidre

My Reply:
I’m asking a serious question and sort of expected a serious reply. I’ve done some research and this is what I’ve found.
Maybe you would be so kind as to detail or link me to information which might prove me incorrect?

I have another question as well, but it is rather a secondary one. My most important curiosity is towards the Jewish oath of Kol Nidre. Please, in your reply, try not to side-track this first question as mentioned earlier.

This would be my second question or concern ...

Eretz Yisrael
“Eretz Yisrael is a means to an end. And what is that end? Serving G-d and keeping the Torah. That itself makes Eretz Yisrael central to our religion, because this is the only place where a Jew can keep all the mitzvot and serve G-d to the utmost. Besides the Land-related mitzvot, which can only be kept here, we have pointed out many times that all 613 mitzvot are more meaningful and on a higher level when kept in G-d’s Chosen Land. This idea is repeated again in parashat Re’eh.”
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Definitions of the term and its earliest roots
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_of_Israel

The opposite of those living under oath of ‘Eretz Yisrael’ is called ‘chutz L’aretz’ which means those who follow after the ideas of Eretz Yisrael but are constrained because they live in the US or whatever.
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Is this not what Omert was referring to when he made this statement?

“Only a person in whose soul Eretz Yisrael burns knows the pain of letting go of our ancestral heritage”
—Ehud Olmert, May 4th 2006, speech to the Knesset whilst presenting the Unilateral Disengagement Plan—

My Question:

Would this mean that it would be impossible for a religious Jew in America to be loyal to America because the oath/belief of Eretz Yisrael is the cornerstone to the Jewish religion?

Calm

Does not every Religious Jew have a yearning and desire for Eretz Yisrael? Is this not the dream of Jewish Folks? Does “Eretz Yisarel” not mean the “Greater Middle East” or the complete Jordan Valley? So, how is it that Libermann can stand up in Congress and vote for anything which lessens or diverts from “Eretz Yisrael”? How could Libermann or any other NeoCon ever be completely loyal to America when he has taken the oath or has the “desire” of “Eretz Yisrael”? If Jewish Folks have “Eretz Yisarel” as their conerstone of faith, how can they stand before the world or work inside any Western government and proclaim that they don’t have dual loyalties? .... And that it will always be Israel first and foremost?

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By L. Thomas, October 1, 2007 at 5:05 pm Link to this comment
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In response to Jeffery Levine wondering about

“a count of the number of people killed in the name of Allah, and then give me a count of the number of Muslims targeted by Jews in the United States”

First of all, why compare the number killed by Muslims on a worldwide-basis (apparently) against those killed by Jews ONLY in the USA?  Is Mr. Levine so unsure of the totals that he needs to pre-juggle the numbers?

And, why can’t we include the number of Palestinians and other non-Jews in the MidEast who have been killed and forced from their homes by pro-Zionist radicals?  Or, how about the British and others killed by Menachim Begin and his gang when they blew up the King David Hotel in Jerusalem back in the 1920’s?  Israel later selected the former terrorist Begin, as their national leader - then proceeded to go ballastic when the Palestinians selected Arafat, who wasn’t so different from Begin.

I’m not Jewish or Arab.  I’ve known a few Arabs and many Jews in my life, and have liked nearly all of them as individuals.  But, if you don’t hate what the Israelis have done and are doing to the Palestinians, then you aren’t paying attention!

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By Rick Brown, October 1, 2007 at 4:32 pm Link to this comment
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It’s interesting to me what some readers of this website consider “terrorism.”  I don’t consider myself a linguist yet I feel fairly certain that a “terrorist” is one that plans and executes operations with the explicit goal to kill as many people as possible and the implicit goal of scaring the shit out of the populous.  ie:  walking onto a bus with explosives strapped to your body, waiting until it fills with innocent commuters and then blowing yourself up along with the lives of all around you.  maybe i’m wrong about the definition but it seems to implicate Arab extremists far more than Zionists.  while both can be quite despicable and patently racist, only one makes it a general rallying cry to kill EVERYONE that doesn’t share their beliefs.

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By sophrosyne, October 1, 2007 at 3:52 pm Link to this comment
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Of course, Israel is no friend of the USA.  It never has been.  We are a convenient tool for money, weapons and subservience.  What is so horribly sad is that few in our country dare to even rationally question our slavery to israel.  We can question our relationship with any country..but not Israel.  WE all live in fear.  It leaves a very bad feeling in the mouth.

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By Jon, October 1, 2007 at 3:44 pm Link to this comment
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Hooray for trash journalism!

I attended Marva in 2003 shortly after high school.  While the material descriptions above (we received uniforms, M16’s, etc) are correct, that is about where the accuracies end in this article.

The description I offered to friends upon my return from Marva was that it was comparable to “a summer camp with discipline.”  We did not sit in a cave, poring over the Torah by candle light, learning to hate Arabs.  In fact, there was no overt religious component to the entire program.  Those who were religious were given time in the morning for prayers, thos who were not had no expectations of any sort placed upon them.  We were not indoctrinated and not force-fed propaganda.  We were not hand-picked foreigners with an agenda, we each paid to join the program for an unforgettable 2 months and forged life-long friendships with both our fellow participants and our commanders.

On the 2 (yes, only two) days on the firing-range, we did not even fire our weapons at paper figures of people, but at bullseye targets. 

Furthermore, Americans were in the minority.  There were thirteen different countries represented by the participants on my Marva, including one from Tunisia - an Arab!

Why does the author spend over half the article digressing on one single nutcase Jew?  The fact that I, as a fairly ardent reader of modern Israeli history, have never even heard of Robert Manning speaks volumes to the ridiculousness of the author’s claims.  How many Jews like Manning can be found over the past 50 years?  15?  20?  Probably less.  Now answer the same question, but substitute “Arabs” for “Jews.”  Manning is rightfully sitting in prison.  Anybody who espouses his views belongs there as well.  However, to allege that “Those who go through the Marva summer program are indoctrinated as thoroughly as Muslims who go overseas and are told they are part of a greater jihad for Islam” is downright idiotic. 

Finally, B’Tselem and Peace Now are both thinly veiled anti-Israeli groups operating from within Israel.  For groups that purport to be watchdogs and human rights activists, they remained strangely silent after most suicide bombings, yet screamed bloody murder after every house demolition.  I’m neither advocating nor decrying house demolition, simply illustrating that they’re just as biased as the author of this article.

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By Salt, October 1, 2007 at 3:18 pm Link to this comment
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To Calm:

That’s absolute bullshit, and Jews don’t say a prayer like that on Kol Nidre, however given the sites you probably browse to find these non existent quotes you likely won’t believe that.

I reccomend reading an actual Jewish prayer book and the prayer for Kol Nidre(which is long)

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By Neoconned, October 1, 2007 at 3:08 pm Link to this comment
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#103848 by Non Credo on 10/01 at 1:21 pm
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These guys should lose their US citizenship.
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Why should they?  We see them as the Ku Klux Klan.
But Fox News sees them as upright American Israelis.

Has anyone asked who was behind Yitshak Rabin’s Murder?  Is it me or is there some Mafia style Omerta in operation?  No one speaks about it.

It’s scary how this lurch to ultra right wing is so total in Israeli, ergo American society. 

Facist Israel maybe?

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By Betty, October 1, 2007 at 2:00 pm Link to this comment
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It is so easy to criticize arab culture, or the muslim religion. To generalize, and to judge. But if you look past ignorant stereotypes, you will see that violence is violence, and terrorism is terrorism. Whether its neatly packaged in a meaningless government funded “tourism” initiative, or its media bias, people have to understand that outside your little bubble, everyone is watching what you are doing. And knows in their hearts it can’t be right. Palestinians may not be the most peace-loving group of people out there, but having lived in oppression and poverty, evacuated from their homes, and fenced into camps with no way out, I’m sure none of us would be too happy in the same situation. And none of us could say we would tolerate that kind of treatment. So why allow it be done to others? Where is our humanity? How are we better than murderers and killers?

History and the world will never forget what happened to the Jews during WWII, but they will also never forget what happened to the Palestinians thereafter. The pain, the suffering, the trauma, the children being brought into a world of terror… how is that fair? Why do we point fingers when we know they weren’t even given a chance at a better life. What else could they do? What else do they know, many were born into this horrible tragic situation. I hope the whole world wakes up soon. Peace will never happen in the middle east, terrorism will always exist unless we address the issues at hand from their real sources. Muslim fundamentalists and terrorists aren’t commiting crimes out of jealousy, or for pleasure. Desperation and suffering, a deep-rooted hatred set in place by improper treatment and bias, compels them to react. Don’t think the world is blind to the reasons behind any attack. All you need to do is ask someone, and you will understand. The cause to all our problems probably starts right here, in the way we deal with things. We suffer the consequences of our actions. History has a way of catching up with us. I fear the terrors that have yet to befall the world before we realize it is terror that breeds terror.

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By calm, October 1, 2007 at 1:56 pm Link to this comment
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I was hoping that Jewish Folks who are commenting on this article might be able to answer a question for me?

There is the Jewish oath of Kol Nidre

This is an oath which is recited by Jewish Folks every year. It justifies the absolvement of any agreements made with respect to non-Jews (Gentiles) during the course of the following year.

It says:

And he who desires that none of his vows made during the year shall be valid, let him stand at the beginning of the year and declare, Every vow which I make in the future shall be null.
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So, does this mean that Feith and Wolfovitz are able to testify under oath and swear on the bible to tell the truth .... and then just walk away while muttering the above oath silently to himself? Are they able to rely on or hide behind the Jewish oath of Kol Nidre?

Calm

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By Neoconned, October 1, 2007 at 1:53 pm Link to this comment
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It is strange how Terrorism is always implied to Muslims, in the media.  Didn’t the Stern Gang and Irgun do their fair share of murder and blood letting? 

Rape and Murder is what 1948 Israel can look back on with pride.  But that could be applied to a number of nations perhaps.  What is different in Israel’s case is how they bomb, bulldoze, starve and humiliate the Christian and Muslim Palestinians, and then call them Terrorists when they fight back.

No one on Earth just spontaneously starts killing.  If the Jews can bring the Holocaust into the political equation,  maybe the Palestinians can bring 60 years of grotesque Israeli lies, torture, murder, racism, and hypocricy. 

(Of course, Israel is surrounded by autocratic regimes.  But that is just who the State Department likes to deal with.  Brutal police states who can guarantee American Corporations their profits.)

What the media never picks up on is the Racist and lame assumption that Palestinians and muslims in general are mindless killers; surrounding the gentle, peace loving, Israelis.  It has to be one of history’s most succesful Spin jobs. 

Why would poverty stricken Palestinans resent Jews bulldozing their homes, only to see Luxury condos appear (behind razor wire)? 

Despite the fact I may be considered anti-semitic, that is, code for anyone who disagrees with Israel, let me say, any violence is unacceptable and inhumane from all sides.  However the reportage is rather one sided towards the saintly Israelis. 

How does the media play out an Israeli Panzer Tank, pointing its 120mm barrel at Palestinian children?  That IDF soldiers love Palestinian children?

I’m sure a Mossad Death Squad regularly go around handing out Red Cross parcels and candy to these children.

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By Neoconned, October 1, 2007 at 1:52 pm Link to this comment
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It is strange how Terrorism is always implied to Muslims, in the media.  Didn’t the Stern Gang and Irgun do their fair share of murder and blood letting? 

Rape and Murder is what 1948 Israel can look back on with pride.  But that could be applied to a number of nations perhaps.  What is different in Israel’s case is how they bomb, bulldoze, starve and humiliate the Christian and Muslim Palestinians, and then call them Terrorists when they fight back.

No one on Earth just spontaneously starts killing.  If the Jews can bring the Holocaust into the political equation,  maybe the Palestinians can bring 60 years of grotesque Israeli lies, torture, murder, racism, and hypocricy. 

(Of course, Israel is surrounded by autocratic regimes.  But that is just who the State Department likes to deal with.  Brutal police states who can guarantee American Corporations their profits.)

What the media never picks up on is the Racist and lame assumption that Palestinians and muslims in general are mindless killers; surrounding the gentle, peace loving, Israelis.  It has to be one of history’s most succesful Spin jobs. 

Why would poverty stricken Palestinans resent Jews bulldozing their homes, only to see Luxury condos appear (behind razor wire)? 

Despite the fact I may be considered anti-semitic, that is, code for anyone who disagrees with Israel, let me say, any violence is unacceptable and inhumane from all sides.  However the reportage is rather one sided towards the saintly Israelis. 

How does the media play out an Israeli Panzer Tank, pointing its 120mm barrel at Palestinian children?  That IDF soldiers love Palestinian children?
I’m sure a Mossad Death Squad regularly go around handing out Red Cross parcels and candy to these children.

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By Karen Ladik, October 1, 2007 at 1:48 pm Link to this comment
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People who post to these boards should identify their ethnic bias… I am neither an Arab or a Jew.

That said… the jews on the board will lie and tell you Israel is our friend… they most certainly are not.

Israel is a treasonous step child - whose members infiltrate our government, media and academia to stir up war and Islamophobia.

I have NO PROBLEMS with Islam… that weren’t stirred up for me by Jews.

Now—any Jews on this board care to identify yourselves before you start spouting hate.

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By nikolai, October 1, 2007 at 1:14 pm Link to this comment
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Why anyone would want to subject themselves to such a stupid, militaristic program is beyond me. Oh yeah, it will look good on the ol resume when you go to work for Silverman, Wolfowitz or Perl…

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By nikolai, October 1, 2007 at 1:07 pm Link to this comment
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CHRIS HEDGES, CORRECTION: Toy soldiers is not quite right. NEOCUBS would be more accurate…

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By Cynner, October 1, 2007 at 12:33 pm Link to this comment
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Marjorie Swanson I suggest to you ask the Native Americans, victims of the KKK or any other minority in the U.S., oh yeah and women too.

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By weather, October 1, 2007 at 11:45 am Link to this comment

Here is a country on the World’s stage w/WMD, its manipulating hands all over our wallet and the emotional development of a very sneaky and snotty little brat that has no friends and no thought to ask why?

You killed Rabin Israel now look what you are. Denial becomes you and contempt follows you, but keep lying to yourselves and then to everyone else, its what you do best.

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By George, October 1, 2007 at 11:40 am Link to this comment
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The difference is that every one of those guys in the picture would line up next to American soldiers and fight alongside them.  Lets not forget that surface similarities are only on the surface.
Also, it’s far fetched to compare a visit to an Army training camp, sanctioned by one of America’s greatest allies, to visiting a private (non-government) training camp where the expressed goal is to indoctrinate youth to hate america!  Id hope that homeland security made such distinctions!!!  It would be a huge waste of resources if they didnt.

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By Peter, October 1, 2007 at 11:12 am Link to this comment
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I am disappointed that this article was published by Truthdig. Do Jews or Christians or Hindus for that matter routinely kill those who try to humanize or mitigate the treatment of religious minorities or women?  Does any other religion in the world not only glorify violence but encourage their youngest children to engage in the violence except one?  Is there any country in the world with a Muslim population that has not had innocent man, women, and children slaughtered, blown up, beaten up or otherwise brutalized by Muslim “scholars”?  Where there are Muslims there is violence. The same cannot be said about any other existing world religion even the Thugees and Aztecs were less violent. To equate Jews giving military training to their young to Madrassa training is false analogy and Truthdig should be ashamed for publishing such rubbish.

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By Jeffrey Levine, October 1, 2007 at 10:19 am Link to this comment
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One favor pleae. Give me a count of the number of people killed in the name of Allah, and then give me a count of the number of Muslims targeted by Jews in the United States.

There is no comparison!

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By Rose, October 1, 2007 at 9:47 am Link to this comment
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Is it not a violation to “join another country’s military or wear their uniform?” I was told when I got my first passport that doing this could cause me (a US born citizen) to lose my citizenship.

That’s kind of serious stuff.

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By Peter RV, October 1, 2007 at 9:18 am Link to this comment
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I would give these snooty youngsters a better opportunity to show how brave they are, by giving them long bayonets and sending them in the first line of hand-to-hand combat with Iran’s Revolutionary Guards.

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By Lee, October 1, 2007 at 9:16 am Link to this comment
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Although both the Israelis and the fundamentalist Islamist train their youth in military methods ... there are some BIG distinctions! The Israelis do not take 5 year old children and brain wash them, by making them read the Koran 8 hours a day, teach them to become suicide bombers, have them indiscriminitly slaugter hundreds of civilians on buses and in market places, or wage continuous threats towards the United States. They also don’t preach intolerance towards other religions, sharia law, or Jihad. They also don’t exercise human rights violations to their own people, deprive women of their rights, stone people to death for walking hand in hand, or behead people for exercising freedom of speech (like cartoonists), or for not dressing according to a strict code. The Israelis don’t slaughter each other for being from different sects of Judiasm. And, the Israelis didn’t kill over 3,000 American on 911. The Israelis are America’s allies, and have endured overwhelming opposition, while struggling to be America’s front line to terrorism in the middle east.

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By Nathan, October 1, 2007 at 9:08 am Link to this comment
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Marjorie Swanson, unfortunately, I believe the answer to all your questions is yes.

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By L. A. Webber, October 1, 2007 at 8:29 am Link to this comment
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I’m not sure who you meant by “we”, ( I’m guessing all of us) but this is what American children are raised on.

The star-spangled banner:
a poem glorifying [a] battle, set to the tune of an old British drinking song.

...

And the rockets’ red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there.
O say, does that star spangled banner yet wave
O’er the land of the free, and the home of the brave?

...
Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps’ pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave:
And the star-spangled banner, in triumph doth wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

O thus be it ever when freemen shall stand
Between their loved homes and the war’s desolation!
Blest with vict’ry and peace, may the Heav’n-rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.


Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: “In God is our Trust.”
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.


Seems a strange way to nurture peace—and a very good way to breed a love of violence and might

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By Tom Higgins, October 1, 2007 at 7:48 am Link to this comment
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Holocaust denier!

j/k

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By Marjorie L. Swanson, October 1, 2007 at 4:18 am Link to this comment

Have we always been such a militaristic society? Have we always worshipped death and destruction? And have we always been as unfair and unbalanced as we are now? Was I just not paying attention?

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