US marshal attempted intimidation.

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/bpayne37/index.htm

#104657 by SaraB on 10/04 at 9:55 am: “...What can be done? How can it be done? (Legally and peacefully of course...”

Its no longer quite just “a matter of course”, SaraB. Since Gonzales, nothing in the legal system is just any more (it never was, anyway). And what are you going to do if some pig wants to Taser you? Don’t tell me you would just let them?!?!

In the end, all thought of FREEDOM will be usurped, subsumed or suppressed. That is, what ever is “legal” will be waht you are told you may or may not do according to the state. That is neither justice or law.

Quote IMDb - “1984” the movie: “...The Ministry of Truth broadcasts ceaselessly to the population via its inescapable network of telescreens. These devices, which pervade all aspects of peoples’ lives, are also capable of monitoring their every word and action. They form part of an elaborate surveillance system used by the Ministry of Love, and its dreaded agents the Thought Police, to serve their singular goal: the elimination of ‘thoughtcrime’......

Winston Smith is a Party worker - part of the vast social caste known as the Outer Party, the rank and file of the sprawling apparatus of government. Winston works in the Records Department of the Ministry of Truth - the section charged with modifying historical news archives for consistency. When by chance Winston uncovers incontrovertible proof that the Party is lying, he embarks on a journey of self-questioning. In doing so, he becomes a thought-criminal.......”.

Explore deeper the blur between propaganda and reality.... but be prepared to act in your own defence as best you can - not just “as permitted”. Legal = sheep!

As TAOWalker says “We have nothing to lose here....nothing to fear...” So, “by virtue of your humanity”, you do have the right to live by the laws of Creation - not merely foolish mans’ laws. Let your Intuition be your only guide!

Just BE, SaraB (#104657).  Our “act” as free wild Human Beings is simply fulfilling our organic function within the living body of our Mother Earth.  Our organic Human form is what the Lakota People call Tiyoshpaye (Speakers of English are stuck with the badly debased “community,” used almost exclusively, here in these latter days, in reference to various more-or-less random collections of equally degraded “civilized individuals.").

Beyond both thought and words we “go” where the boundless currents of LifeHerownself carry us.  We have nothing to lose here....nothing to fear.  Whenever and wherever there is something we can DO, it will be self-evident at the time and in the place, and no occasion for agonizing doubt. 

Look to those with whom you’re already connected, by virtue of your humanity, to discover the Tiyoshpaye you belong to.  Most of its “members” are not even Two-Leggeds....lucky for All-concerned.

The fear-mongers’ latest reign-of-terror is going to run its inevitable course here.  Our tormentors’ ten-thousand-year-long attempt to tyrannize Our Mother Earth and all her natural Children, including us Ickche Wichasha, is about at the end of their rope.

So attend conscientiously to what each day brings to your hands and heart.  Trust in your Sisters and Brothers and All Our Relations everywhere to be doing the same wherever they are.

********

As a young man this old Heathen Savage was also wondering out-loud one time pretty much what SaraB is here.  GreatGrandMother gave this Person that day what’s written above, in response. 

May her hard-won wisdom help others as much as it has this Wild Child....over a long and eventful life.

HokaHey!

Complaint of telephone harassment file with Elisha of telephone company at 1-866-834-7837 at about 17:10.

Payne sent second email and spoke with Lt Martagon again. Ms Carmago is gone for the day.

Martagon advised that if Payne fears for his safety, then he should phone APD.

Email sent. Payne spoke briefly to Lt Martagon.

Keep in mind readers. The guys we’re dealing with are dangerous. Killers. Nazis. But this time they are using Iranians and Iraqis for their jews. And feds may be just getting started with the Iraq/Iran war and two invasions of Iraq.

Thursday October 4, 2007 16:48

Wendy

I am sending a second copy. We think this could be serious.

I am about ready to phone APD.

Colonel Feehan c/o

Let me repeat what I said on the phone.

We are concern for our personal safety as a result of judge Armijo and Garcia’s illegal actions.

All background material is included in below link.
]
http://www.prosefights.org/nmlegal/dcvoid/dcvoid.htm#taylor

The Air Force should be help us provide a Safe Harbor while these matters are being settled.

I am getting strange phone calls with only one ring.

Thanks
bill payne and art morales

distribution

McClenaghan c/o

• #103644 by Enemy of State on 9/30 at 12:16 pm
(Cyrena, Deborah: one of the few positives from the Bush lunacy, I a mid fifties white man, now have more trust of black Americans than of my own race. Why? Because most American blacks have instinctively known that Bush was their enemy, they weren’t about to swallow his BS.
Well EOS,
Thanks for the acknowledgement, but I’ve gotta tell you, I think it just depends on ‘which’ black folks we’re talking about. Most of the ones I know, (friends and family included) are pretty much duped themselves. That is particularly the case wherever the Church might be. That’s why MLK is pitching fits in his grave. Back in the 60’s, most black folks didn’t swallow these lies. But now, many have been cowed into the BS, just like all of the others.
And no, I’m not saying that we ALL think that way, (as you see…many of us are ‘clued in’ as I have been for a long time. But, I’m just not sure how “instinctive” it is any longer. The media has mass manipulated so many. Oprah hasn’t helped.
So, I’m not sure that we all get it. Every time a kid, a sibling, or any loved one starts in on any one of the “celebs”, I feel inclined to just wop them right over the head.
What a backward state we’ve reached. I remember my dad never wanted us to watch cartoons. He didn’t like the Fantasy nature of them, (characters living millions of lives, falling off of mountain cliffs, and springing right back into action, that sort of thing) Just didn’t want us to think there was anything “real” about that.
NOW, I have to run around here like a mad woman, making sure nobody watches Oprah or the mainstream news media, because it’s all lies and non-reality. How crazy is that?

BUT, they can also catch the occasional glimpse of GW flipping off the entire country. Now THAT becomes a very realistic “clue” to how he feels about all of us.

But yeah, we definitely knew that Regan was no friend, and the first Shrub was no better, and Cheney…well. We’re talking number one racist of the 2 centuries. THAT we’ve always known, but still…not everybody.

Let’s see what happens.

http://www.prosefights.org/nmlegal/dcvoid/dcvoid.htm#taylor

#103815 by JimBob on 10/01 at 11:33 am: “See, I told you, no one would give a shit about the 140 million
Muslims....”

November is a potential date if they are serious and politics is their main game plan. One reason is that, with so little support around the world, the last vestiges of the “coalition of the willing” from Gulf War 2 will disappear after the Australian federal election. That must be held by early December and the Neocon Bush poodle John Howard will be conclusively defeated.

President Bush and Vice President Cheney are sitting
in a bar.
A guy walks in and asks the barman, “Isn’t that Bush
and Cheney sitting over there?”
The bartender says, “Yep, that’s them.”
So the guy walks over and says, “Wow, this is a real
honor! What are you guys doing in here?”
Bush says, “We’re planning WW III.”
The guy says, “No shit! Really? What’s going to
happen?”
Bush says, “Well, we’re going to kill 140 million
Muslims and one blonde with humongous tits.”
The guy exclaimed, “A blonde with big tits? Why kill
a blonde with big tits?”
Bush turns to Cheney and says, “See, I told you, no
one would give a shit about the 140 million
Muslims.”

Cyrena, Deborah: one of the few positives from the Bush lunacy, I a mid fifties white man, now have more trust of black Americans than of my own race. Why? Because most American blacks have instinctively known that Bush was their enemy, they weren’t about to swallow his BS.

Unfortunetley a lot of Americans are so easily manipulated by the Republicans clever use of patriotic, and psychological symbols. The things Bush says may be about as correct as the things Ahmadinejad says, but he is the President (and one who claims to be a Christian) so respect for the office means we have to assume everything he says is ture and good! Then we have the clever use of the Cult of The Warrior (playing on our quilt about the less than 1% of our population trapped into fighting these wars), to characterise anyone who questions Petraeous as a blasphemous traitor. Even the Democrats in congress (and the press) feel they must go along with this sack of #@$%. We seem to be throroughly screwed, as nearly all who criticise can be smeared as traitors.

There are two questions that are somewhat overlooked by Scott Ritter.  The first involves the degree to which the corporate media is again serving as a megaphone for the administration’s propaganda.  During the recent 60 Minutes interview, Ahmadinejad was repeatedly challenged with the interviewer assuming every Bush administration claim about Iranian interference in our imperial war of aggression in Iraq was an established fact.  As in the run-up to the war in Iraq, issues such as the fact that the level of uranium enrichment in Iran is far below that required to produce a nuclear bomb ("Mushroom clouds” and yellow cake from Niger anyone?) are overlooked, as the supposed “danger” posed by the Ahmadinejad regime has become the mantra of the corporate media.

The second issue overlooked is far more troubling.  While all of us busy ourselves examining which candidates are actually willing to end the folly of imperial conquest of the Middle East (Clinton/Obama/Edwards all indicating we will still have forces in Iraq in 2013), Paul Craig Roberts, a former assistant secretary of the treasury in the Reagan administration, has been publishing articles, warning the nation that the executive orders are in place that would permit the Bush regime to use a new “terrorist incident” on U.S. soil as an excuse to declare a “national emergency,” as a forerunner to marshall law, perhaps a suspension of elections, Congress and the few shards of the constitution that still remain.  A pre-emptive strike on Iran could be but the first step in that scenario.  Roberts warns that most Americans have failed to grasp the extent of Cheney’s ruthlessness.

While I do not know whether circumstances are as potentially grave as Mr. Roberts’s believes they are, I do know that the cowardice displayed by the majority of Congressional Democrats, most recently entailing the Senate vote on the issue of Iran, can only serve to embolden the war criminals who now occupy the White House to carry out a final destruction of our constitutional democracy, lest they face the prospect of being held accountable under the rule of law once leaving office.

George Bush is doing a repeat of what was once done to the first peoples(Native American)when the Eurotrash invaded this country.They came in and forceably stole the land here and still are to this day whenever anything that might be valuable on Indian land the goverment comes in and steals it.My girlfriend has refered to the Iraq debacle as the new updated version of “Bury My Heart At Wounded Knee” only it is now known as “Bury My Heart At Baghdad”. We here in Indian country refered to it as the American Holocaust.

Not everyone fell for the lies that spouted forth from the burning bushs mouth.This person was not to be trusted from well before he was handed the election.George Bush made it clear on the campaign trail in 2000 around July,that his top priority was to go to war in Iraq and after Sadam,and that was before he was president.It was on the news and in the newspapers before all of his censorship started and now we have a newspaper so small every day that it wouldn’t even make a good kleenex.

Don’t worry the American people unarmed.In this nation of about 300 million people,at least 95 million of use are lawful gun owners and those 95 million gun owners lawfully possess 212 million+ firearms.This does not take into account all of the illegal gun owners and their weapons.Now if the goverment were to recall all military members from around the entire world,they would have a force of only about 2 million.95 million gun owners to 2 million troops equals 47.5 to 1.True they have more modern weapons than the average gun owner,but they are grossly outnumbered,and if you take in the fact that all these goverment guns would not be able to land on Americas shoreline for quite sometime-just look at the troop withdrawals now.And if only 10 % of the 95 million gun owners stood up to fight,they still outnumber the military and many of our military may decide not to turn against their country and the people in it.Don’t forget all of those illegal gun owners too.

My main concern,as many others is to try to derail that runaway train wreck on the B+C railroad.Congress seems to have been mesmerized as to the reality of this dire situation.They should have impeached Cheney then Bush in that order as Cheney is the director in this insane scheme and has been since the earlt 1970’s.

It is sheer madness to even think about attacking Iran.Are there that many paid killers at a $1000/day that they can use to fight this war since they have run out of military here to recall back at home.They need to recall Bush into active duty since he didn’t serve the first time around.It would do him good,a real first hand knowledge of what it is really like to take over the world with real live action figures instead of that stupid board game he forced other students to play in college and then kept changing the rules so he would win-just like today. But wait, the world isn’t playing by Goergie’s rules Well if he wants to be ruler of the world-let him do it over there on the ground,after all it is his war-not the people that have been brainwashed into believing they are keeping us free at home and all the while our rights have been taken away by G.W.

And as for keeping us safe here in America-how does G.W. figure that when all our military is everywhere but here.Besides he always tells us to not be dependent upon goverment.Guess we will all have to protect ourselves then.

I knew George Bush was the anti christ!  Just didn’t trust my gut feeling to espouse that to the whole world until I found truth dig.  Keep up the good work, Scott Ritter.  I feel the need to go to an anti war protest.

I have nothing but disgust for George W. Bush and the members of Congress who enable him. The situation in Iraq is probably the worst manifestation of their lack of humanity. All have blood on their hands. All are culpable in the huge suffering that they oversee in Iraq. Their unwillingness to take in Iraqi refugees in danger is just another sign of an almost sociopathic disregard for human beings, especially since they are responsible for the vast waste wrought by this unnecessary war. To politicize over this anguish and suffering is unpardonable, whether you are running for president or you happen to occupy that position.

#103427

• So yes, Americans are paying attention. I am one simple American black woman, mid-30’s, helping to support a family. I’m trying to do what so many Iraqi’s are trying to do: Stay alive.
Deborah,

You were quoting me (about American’s not seeming concerned) in your very excellent comments.  And, I too, am an American black woman, just a couple of decades older, but trying to do the same thing as you and the Iraqis…STAY ALIVE.

And, I’m overwhelmingly delighted to know that you are indeed paying attention, as we should “assume” from anyone who reads and posts to this site. My own reference was to the obviously larger portion of Americans who STILL DON’T GET IT.

And, when I put that out there, the question in the minds of many Americans who DO pay attention, I stipulated that I believed it to be a perfectly valid and legitimate observation by another informed American. I will re-state. “How/why would the US instigate a conflict with Iran, when we are already bogged down in all of these other conflicts, and we have no troops, including the troops that would need to be here in the event of ANY sort of disaster that we might need them for, here at home.

I thought this was a logical question, and I attempted to answer it by saying that the very long planned attack on Iran, was not intended to be what the US created in Iraq. They never anticipated any response from the Iraqis when they illegally invaded and occupied that nation. Iraq severely weakened in from its wars with it’s own neighbors, as well as the brutal sanctions that had been imposed by the US.

So, the neocon mob that planned this whole thing, (Iraq, Iran, Syria) back when you were in your early 20’s, never anticipated the reaction from Iraqis who didn’t want to be conquered, occupied, and have all of their natural resources stolen.

However, the question that was posed –to me- regarding the next planned attack –on Iran- was a pragmatic one, that I attempted to answer by explaining exactly what I explained. The attack on Iran will be (unless we can somehow prevent it) an AIR attack, which does not require the amount of ground forces that there was never “enough of” in Iraq. I say that in the same breath as saying that we should never have sent a single solitary soldier/marine/airman/navy seaman to Iraq in the first place! Afghanistan either, as far as I’m concerned; at least now. At the time, I believed the Afghanistan action was acceptable in a limited fashion, because we were originally tricked into believing that Afghanistan had somehow sponsored the alleged “terrorists” that attacked us on 9-11. I know longer even believe that, because I’m still not sure who was responsible for 9-11. There has been –zero- conclusive proof or evidence that the Taliban or any other Arabs were involved. But, we KNOW that Iraq was NOT.
So, I’m very pleased to know that you, (and more and more Americans) are indeed paying attention. I’m sorry to know that you’ve experienced the same frustration in watching what I have previously referenced as a wakeful nightmare of the on-going slow motion train-wreck of Iraq. It has caused me the same incredible distress, since I was one of the many leftovers from an earlier time, who protested vehemently BEOFRE the Iraq invasion. Please allow me to say however, that it has been only in the past couple of years, that many Americans finally started to see the “light” and there are still many who do not. In many cases, it is an understandable case of “denial” As I mentioned in a previous post, how do you tell a loved one that THEIR loved ones have been killed or wounded, because they were sent to steal oil?

The Iraqis know that’s why so many of THEM have perished, so ALL Americans should be equally aware.

Your essay has indicated that we’re getting there. Keep spreading the word.

#103446 by omop on 9/29 at 9:50 am: “...By not bombing or nuking Iran as requested initially by Israel GWB may have added to the undercurrent of whispers that 300 million Americans that make up the US of A may all actually be “closet antisemites”....”

Well, that is not such a bad thing if it means not being led by your nose - but Americans are still blindsided by saluting their own flag and doing whatever they are told in the name of their “fearless leader” and commander of the armed forces, uhh. That is the 1800’s civil war fantasies still in the US blood as some kind of illusory “glory”. It is madness!

Bush’s great achievement was bombing the remote uninhabited mountains of Afghanistan. That used up munitions and kept the troops or at least the airforce occupied. The industrial complex supporting the military was happy and there was little unemployment. Putting troops on the ground in Iraq was another matter as they tend to get killed or injured, as you and Non Credo say, ‘omop’.

Now that Israel is desperate that they are stuck with the mess over there, they will want to resort to their own WMD’s.  Bush doesn’t have to do a thing except let conditions continue to deteriorate. That is said to be clever statescraft. In these days of nuclear weapons, it is sheer madness! Having that French (he’s actually a Hungarian!) wanker, Sarkosy, on side and strutting about adds to the risk as they have WMD’s thye want to use, too.

One of two or both unmentionable possibilities could take place if the present agitation to nuke Iran does not take place as planned for in the infamous Bebe Netanyahu “Clear Break” (co-wrote along with 3 American neocons and 3 israelis in the mid 1990s).

a) The impression that by not being able to tell the difference between the letters N or Q GWB did not do as he was told to do in Netanyahu’s “Clear Break” plan and that Israel is not responsible for the mess in Iraq. Since they were quite specific in writing “get Iran first, then Iraq second, Syria third”.

Therefore if no effort is made by GWB to rectify this blunder. His reference in history books will always include the notation of his not being able to tell N from Q or K.

b) By not bombing or nuking Iran as requested initially by Israel GWB may have added to the undercurrent of whispers that 300 million Americans that make up the US of A may all actually be “closet antisemites”.

So after the loss of close to 4000 US lives and the crippling for life of a further 66,000 young american men and women not to mention the thousands of iraqi men, women and children dead and the millions in refugees in addition to the 720 million dollars costs of being welcomed in Iraq. The GWB team is on the spot.

And the USA is at a crossroad which it was suckered into through the beliefs of Donald Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Feith, Perle, Pies, etc,. when it was initially sold as a “cakewalk” and in respone as to how long the “cakewalk” into Iraq would take. Mr. Rumsfled answered.” It might take 5 days, 5 weeks or 5 months.
i would suggest to you that it will definitely be over in 5 months”
(words spoken in early March 2003 or close to 5 years ago)

#103435 by Non Credo on 9/29 at 8:43 am: “...what cannot be said in America’s mainstream media: “If the American attack [on Iran] turns into a long war of attrition...”

Iran’s population is about three times that of Iraq. That’s why Iraq never won the war in the 1970’s-80’s even with indirect US support. Attacking such a nation is no pushover and the Pentagon knows that even if the Neocon idiots can’t or won’t understand it.

#103439 by Non Credo on 9/29 at 9:11 am: “...If these stupid wars are driven by the US’s anxiety about its debts, then praytell, my dear, just how does the US address its debt problems by going massively further into debt with the Iraq war, then starting a new, even more catastrophically costly war against Iran that will push our economy into depression with the rise in oil prices, with the very real possiblility of retaliatory economic action...”

Can’t you see the nexus, Non Credo? The possibility of killing your creditors appeals to the childish American “winner-takes-all” mentality. At any rate, a war would drag everyone else down as well so that the USA could still be top dog - only on a much smaller sh!t-heap!

If you owe the bank a $Million, its your problem but if you owe the bank a$Billion, its their problem. That is how they figure it. The world has to buy $US debt so that they can trade with them. That’s how China and Japan ended up with so much US treasury bonds (debt) through recycling $US trade.

Only thing is that game is just about up now and the $US is headed south as result of pure US domestic greed. Sub-prime mortgage crisis, creditcard debt, let the good times roll - only it is over! Hurricane Katrina was the wakeup call that Washington never heard.

re: #103416 by Jan on 9/29 at 7:07 am:

US debt is driving these wars? This is pro-Israel garbage propaganda, designed to deflect blame away from Israel, its lobby, and its mostly Jewish neocon allies, along with the Christian Zionist loonies.

If these stupid wars are driven by the US’s anxiety about its debts, then praytell, my dear, just how does the US address its debt problems by going massively further into debt with the Iraq war, then starting a new, even more catastrophically costly war against Iran that will push our economy into depression with the rise in oil prices, with the very real possiblility of retaliatory economic action (like dollar-dumping) from China and others, causing the dollar to crash and our debt to swell enormously?

Listen to Israeli writer Uri Avnery, if you’re hoping that no one will notice that this shit is all being done to benefit Israel and no other nation. He says this new war against Iran is likely to become an even more horrible quagmire than Iraq, and if it does,

“...some will surely put the blame on Israel. It is no secret that the Pro-Israel lobby and its allies - the (mostly Jewish) neo-cons and the Christian Zionists - are pushing America into this war, just as they pushed it into Iraq. For Israeli policy, the hoped-for gains of this war may turn into giant losses - not only for Israel, but also for the American Jewish community.

http://counterpunch.org/avnery09292007.html

Israeli political writer Uri Avnery explains what cannot be said in America’s mainstream media:

“If the American attack [on Iran] turns into a long war of attrition, and if the American public comes to see it as a disaster (as is happening right now with the Iraqi adventure), some will surely put the blame on Israel. It is no secret that the Pro-Israel lobby and its allies - the (mostly Jewish) neo-cons and the Christian Zionists - are pushing America into this war, just as they pushed it into Iraq. For Israeli policy, the hoped-for gains of this war may turn into giant losses - not only for Israel, but also for the American Jewish community.”

http://counterpunch.org/avnery09292007.html

#103423 by Jan on 9/29 at 7:27 am: “...Sorry Douglas, in trying to fix the way your link came out I think I got your name wrong....”

Thank you, thank you, Jan. The other article is interesting too but the USA won’t “succeed in seducing Russia and China” over uranium. They are not suckers or second-rate powers like France or Britain, etc etc. The Shanghai group (SCO) are leaving the IMF behind and are playing their own game now. http://www.sectsco.org/home.asp?LanguageID=2

The Rise of Competitors - “Although US global predominance remains unrivalled at the beginning of the new millennium, countries such as China, India and Russia could become geopolitical competitors in the coming decades. All three enjoy rapidly growing economies and they use their increasing economic clout to modernize their military forces. In particular the Chinese People’s Liberation Army develops “pockets of excellence” to gain defensive capacities against US forces. Some African and South-American countries, such as Venezuela, turn away from Washington and towards Beijing. In the economic realm, the European Union rivals the US with the creation of the euro, which threatens the status of the US dollar as the world’s major reserve currency. Iran and Russia consider shifting their oil trading to the euro, which could contribute to a Fall of the US dollar....” http://www.globalpolicy.org/empire/challenges/competit ors/compindex.htm

#103410 by Douglas Chalmers on 9/29 at 6:09 am

Sorry Douglas, in trying to fix the way your link came out I think I got your name wrong. Sorry.
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Douglas Chambers and #103341 by Enemy of State and others

The full link did not work when Doug Chalmbers posted it so I am trying it again:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va& aid=6893

The other article by the same author is also very useful. It is at:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va& aid=2499

One comment writer on commondreams.org wrote an excellent explanation of how the U.S. debt is actually driving (ie causing) these wars. Look for the comment by “iyamwutiam September 27th, 2007 3:13 pm” at:
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/09/27/4134/
You really need to concentrate to follow his explanation however
.

#103341 by Enemy of State on 9/28 at 5:53 pm: “...The American people love to have someone to hate, and Iran fits that part to a T..... And ever sice 79, 99% of the American people have been looking for an excuse to wreck vengence against Iran....”

It all boils down to manipulating a blind public over oil and power games. Bombing people doesn’t make oil cheaper. It gets more expensive and so does the cost of running the military. This is slowly becoming obvious.

The real reason, though, since the 1970’s was the covert need to prop up the $US and the debt-ridden bankrupt US economy:- “...The dollar economy is not limited to the US. Oil reserves traded in dollars belong to it too. Also enterprises, banks and investments, anywhere in the world, belong to it when paid with dollars. They are like small islands of the dollar economy. Benefits and dividends are flowing back to the owners. The value of the investments is influenced by the rate of the dollar. Oil sellers, receiving their proceeds in dollars, are actors in the dollar-economy and usually behave like perfect representatives of the US’ interests. They consider this as their own interest.”

How do you steal oil reserves? “There is still another aspect to the abuse of the dollar. During the demonstrations against the US-invasion of Iraq, a lot of demonstrators understood it was not about weapons of mass destruction. Iraq has world’s second largest oil reserves. Some demonstrators thought, the US was after the oil. And that is also true. But how can you steal oil reserves, which are in the ground and so huge you cannot take them with you?

You do it with currencies. By imposing, that this oil can only be traded in dollars, in one move the US becomes owner of this oil. The US is the only country, which has the right to print dollars and thus can dispose of the oil any time. Other countries that want to buy this oil, have to buy dollars first. In fact they pay their oil to the US at that moment. The dollars they receive are rights to collect a quantity of oil. (Just like when you go to Ikea to buy furniture, you pay first and you receive a note, with which you can collect your furniture at the shop’s back door.) So, basically, dollars are rights to collect oil. And because everybody needs oil, everybody wants these green notes.

So, Saddam’s switch to the Euro at the start of November 2000 was not just an attack on the rate of the dollar. The switch implied at the same time the US could not dispose freely of the oil anymore. The US would have to buy euros to dispose of it. 

Since switching back the dollar on 5 June 2003 [21], the US has, financially, free disposal of the Iraqi oil again. Now it is a matter of installing a strawman-government and to prevent the Iraqi oil trade from switching away from the dollar once again. That is easy to say, but turns out to be more difficult than expected...” http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va& aid=6893

Thanks Jan and Cyrena.

Another reason the apparently imminent 2006 attack on Iran may have been postponed could be that the Bushies learned from their lousy timing in 2003.

When a war is just underway, there is a rallying effect that drives presidential approval numbers up. This happened after the 2003 Iraq invasion. By the 2004 elections, the war had gone sour, and the lies supporting it were becoming obvious even to the obtuse; Bush almost lost the election (maybe he really did; the Ohio result, for one thing, was questionable).

So maybe they’ve decided to start the new war closer to the 2008 presidential election. Maybe they can combine the wartime rally in Bush’s poll numbers with a new 9/11 attack, and claim reason to put off the elections, to give the Unitary Executive all the authority and time he needs to make us “Safe” before we’re allowed to vote again.

#103337 by Jan

Jan,

Thanks for this excellent essay, explaining to the moron about how Scott’s prediction may be off.

I’d like to add a bit to the explanation if I may.

To begin, the planned hit on Iran, (planned in conjuntion with the hit on Iraq, long before the Coup of 2000) is a Dick Cheney et all operation. And indeed, Dick Cheney is overwhelming pissed at this point, because he EXPECTED it to go down as planned, at the end of last year, or the beginning of this one. By the beginning of 2007, the US had NINE war ships in the Persian Gulf, with all cannons pointed at Iran. As far as I know, they are still there.

But, because of the WMD lies about Iraq, he ran into enoumous opposition, FROM THE COMMANDERS THEMSELVES, on the Iran invasion. (truthout.org has one of a few letters from this collection of military brass, to the Pres...DON’T bomb Iran) Some even stated in writing, that they would refuse to follow such orders. That didn’t stop cheney though, who has been ‘full speed ahead” since day one.

But, it did slow him down, since he had to try to manage an end-run around the others, (like Condi the Rice) who had was whispering in the Boy’s other ear, that it might not be such a good idea after all. (You’ll remember that she began last year rattling all sorts of sabres at Iran).

Also, like with Iraq, they would never have received any sort of support or resolution from the UN Security Council, because (at the time) neither Russia, China, or France was likely to go along with it, just like they didn’t go along with the decision to invade and occupy Iraq, which is why THAT remains an illegal invasion and occupation. (never got a UN Security Council resolution, because again, France, Russia and China were going to block it).

So, that’s why the new French president is important to the new effort to bomb them. The former French President knew what was up, but the new one is right in GW’s pocket. The cheerleader all the way.

Meantime, they’ve tried since, with all of the old tactics, (not even new ones) to hit Iran, by making up all of the stories that Scott puts forth in his piece. I specifically remember that display of “finding” those alleged Iranian IED’s with “serial numbers” on them. Right, everybody puts serial numbers on their IED’s when they’re gonna export them to another country. First non-existent WMD for Iraq, and then some IED’s with Iranian “serial numbers” on them.

And, if we go back to the lies that brought us Iraq, you’ll see that the last year couple of years of the plan for Iran, is a déjà vu.

Thing is, Iran isn’t Iraq, and they DO have an army, and so they WILL fight back. But, Cheney’s not worried. He’s got his bunker here. (a bigger and better one than he used to hide during 9-11) and he’s got his palace in Dubai. And, he’s chompin’ at the bit.

Full speed ahead.

Americans don’t seem concerned though. They say..."well, how could we bomb Iran, when we’re already bogged down in Iraq and Afghanistan?” Reasonable question, but a simple enough answer...with all of the airplanes and the bombs. How many troops do we need for that? We’ve got the airplanes...one bomber pilot per airplane, and they just blast away. Doesn’t take manpower, just firepower. We’re bombing urban areas of Iraq from the air, why wouldn’t they do that to Iran?

What, millions of dead civilians? Nope. We see that doesn’t have anything to do with cheney’s price of oil in the Middle East. If they’re in the way...those are the breaks.

Cheney says...full speed ahead, because he’s tired of messing with all of this BS. There’s land to conquor, and OIL to be stolen. It’s the PNAC plan in action, even if a bit delayed.

Unfortunately I find myself in agreement with Corporate Jesus. The American people love to have someone to hate, and Iran fits that part to a T. The Iranian leadership thinks its all just a good-cop bad-cop game, and won’t back down because they think war not a serious threat, but a cheap poker bluff.

And ever sice 79, 99% of the American people have been looking for an excuse to wreck vengence against Iran. How can we slow down this train to hell, when most of the people buy the emotional crap constantly fed to them?

#103256 by voice of truth on 9/28 at 9:36 am said:
“Why is this convicted Pedophile writing articles on this website???”

“Voice of Truth” is NOT telling the truth here. Scott Ritter was NOT convicted of Pedophilia. On the contrary, Scott was set up in a sting in the first place. He was cleared by the court. However, the way his case was used by his war mongering opponents in perfect timing to stop Ritter going to Iraq to speak against the coming invasion of Iraq was disgraceful.

#103299 by Crimson Ghost on 9/28 at 1:46 pm wrote:
“Scott...you earlier predicted Bush would attack Iran by the end of 2006.

Could it be that you will be wrong this time as well?”

It IS possible that Scott Ritter is wrong this time too. But I think the attack is only a matter of time - in the mean time the U.S. warmongers keep their propaganda and demonisation coming.

So why didn’t the bombing happened as Scott predicted in 2006? For one, certain important things in preparation hadn’t worked out well, e.g. the Israeli invasion of Lebanon.

I believe a bombing campaign will start without any warning as the means are in place and the U.S. regime is just waiting for the right moment. But first the U.S. is trying to involve France more now they have a new president more to Bush’s liking. Then while they are still talking with Russia and in the U.N. etc we will hear that cruise missiles, stealth bombers and then bunker busters have been unleashed.

I do not think it will be a limited attack because they will try to anticipate whatever the Iranians might try to do to fight back. e.g. the U.S. will take out all air defences and command posts and will probably occupy the area around the Strait of Hormuz to prevent the Iranians from closing it. So this will NOT be a limited, pinprick bombing run in my view. Therefore it could end up VERY BAD for everyone and we must strive to stop it from happening NOW.
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