To #104201 by stilldancing on 10/02 at 6:12 pm

The sad fact is a large percentage of Americans wish to be political mushrooms. ( A mushroom is a plant that likes to be in the dark and fead lots of crap )
There idea of the important issues of the day is has Britney Spears shaved her head to today, which leading man is banging which starlet.

Frankly I don’t know how to change it.

#104201 by stilldancing on 10/02 at 6:12 pm: “...My question is how to engage people in our every day lives in this conversation… We need some sort of secret handshake or something…...”

Live TRUTH in your life, ‘stilldancing’ - its the only REAL way, uhh!!

Global Consensus??? Do you mean having France’s opportunistic “Sarko the Neocon” as the new raving Blair poodle???

In the recent debate between Naomi Klein and Alan Greenspan moderated by Amy Goodman on Democracy Now, Klein was literally tearing apart the meandering mumblings of this tired apologist for the economic devasation wrought by neoliberal globalization until Greenspan challenged her to point to a system that was better than the economic “success” offered by the dastardly, privatizing mindset of the Milton Friedman “Chicago School” of economics.  Klein melted away like overwarm butter.  What is wrong with you Naomi?  Why didn’t you ask Mr. Greenspan, “economically successful for whom?” Why didn’t you point to the economic devastation wrought within the U.S. as the nation’s manufacturing base has been outsourced under NAFTA and the WTO in an incessant search for cheap foreign labor with, for example, the remnants of what was once a middle class work force of more than 400,000 but now reduced to 70,000 engaged in a meaningless strike, as the last of their jobs is being outsourced to India?  Why didn’t you mention the millions of Chinese, including children, slaving away in sweatshops at $2/day so that Wal Mart can bring us their “always low prices?” Why didn’t you point to the difference Hugo Chavez has meant for ordinary Venezuelan citizens since these thieving privatizers were given the boot?  How could you squander the opportunity to hit this proponent of economic inequality square-on when your book, “The Shock Doctrine,” reveals that you know better?

We must be in a post-cynical world to think that what is obvious, oil, war, greed, would not count with those in power.  Our problem, it seems, is that we have no unifying vision or will to export true democracy and set in motion change about global warming and US world dominance.  We’ve been co-opted by the media, our culture, those in office, various ‘systems’, and the problems are so monumental and critical that only a concerted global voice, can begin to move us in new directions.  We’re probably past that point, so we’re left with our individual insights into the mess we’re in.

#102653

So we should withdraw from ‘all international bodies like the UN’?  Fine, then we’ll by all rights have to ‘withdraw’ from the international community altogether - not to mention stop the money flow from China, the oil flow from the ME, cease and desist importing foreign goods (Walmart watch out), cease and desist all exportation of food (watch out rural America). 

If we ‘need’ the rest of the world, and we certainly seem to, we’d better make damned sure that we have some say in how we want it to be governed - let alone run.

The problem with this country is that economically our corporations & government are doing everything it can to exploit and control other nation around the world rather than share ideas.  This world is fated to be a global sphere of influence.  What we need to do is, instead of trying to force into place a democratic government in sovereign countries, think democratically on a global scale by listening to other ideas from around the world.  This policy to promote true “Freedom” instead of the current state of military dictatorship to promote a pseudo-freedom.  This freedom, as Naomi Klein suggests is a freedom for corporations to run free and unchecked at great detriment to human lives.

What Amy says is obvious to any thinking person. The other category of people cannot see beyond their own future. We know who is in that category.

What a surprise, the war is about the OIL!  Let’s see, a president whose roots are oil, a vice president whose roots are war profiters and military contracts, what did we all expect!  If the News Media had been doing its job instead of tote Rep water buckets, how much better off would the world be.  At this point these thugs do exactly what they want and won’t be stopped by anything, including the Congress, the Media, or the American voter.  Let the lessons be, you cannot stop paying attention to our leaders, voting is important, pressure your local Reps to do their job, and demand the News Media do their job.  70% of our citizens should not just be dismissed by the 30% who are pushing this agenda down our throats.  I’m sure Sen Webb trashes my daily faxes, but I won’t stop sending them.  And today, I am adding Nancy Pelozi and Harry Reid to my fax list!  Let’s not wait for the bombing of Iran before we voice our position......

FYI under the bush administration for the first time U.S. CO2 emissions fell Controlling CO2 should be up to each US citizen not the goverment. Ms. Goodman us under the impression the U.S. wish to be bound by international treaties , nothing could be farther from the truth. In fact here in Rural America many citizens would like to see a total US withdrawal from all international bodies like the UN

SAW THE PRESIDENT OF BOLIVA ON COMEDY CENTRAL TONIGHT.. HE ADMITTED TO BEING UNEDUCATED, YET BUSH COULDN’T CARRY HIS DIRTY SHORTS...HAS OUR COUNTRY GONE COMPLETELY STUPID OR AM I ON DRUGS AND CAN’T SEE THIS WONDERFUL BUSHIE GLORY CONQUEST OF THE WORLD ???

My goodness, someone took down the screen that hid the elephant in the room.  Four years later, after most informed, thinking commenters on TD screamed over and over, It’s OIL, asshole, people are starting to think it might be OIL.  Where money is involved, unimagineable amounts of money and religion, there will never be world consensus.  Poor slobs all over the world will always be victimized by the powerful and the greedy because arriving at consensus is counterproductive to the latters’ agendas.  The poor slobs’ only hope is to have a better life after death.  Can’t blame them.  As for poor atheist slobs like me, we can only look forward to death, since there will always be jerks like Bush after he’s dead.  How is it that world leaders are so often jerks?

Did anyone really expcest Bu$h to do the right thing ? Going after oil is a given.America has a past history of invading and taking natural resources from Sovereign countries or nation, just look in Americas own backyard, everytime something this goverment thinks it needs that is found on Indian land, the rez gets smaller as these interlopers steal what they want.

EARTH FIRST, WE’LL DESTROY THE OTHER PLANETS LATER.