...returning to the scene of the crime…

“success” has no meaning when you refuse to admit your goal.

We have success in Iraq——-so long as you accept the premise that all we ever wanted there was control of their oil. A minimal few dead Americans and some badly wounded ones are no great price to pay to rescue America and its wealthy journalists from bankruptcy and all the killing and starvation THAT would bring in its wake.

And don’t ever believe that success will let us leave the killing fields and EVER own up to the truth about our coveting and lying and murdering and stealing.

1. It’s about oil; it’s always about oil.
2. Bush is a moron.

There is no 3.

What he said…

#100497 by Non Credo on 9/14 at 7:43 pm
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It’s important to remember that “failure” is not the primary or essential reason that the Iraq war is wrong and must be ended immediately.

The Iraq war was an unnecessary war sold to the US public with lies. As such, it is a war of aggression, the greatest of war crimes, and must be stopped regardless of the prospects for “success”. Equally essential is that the parties responsible must be made to submit to criminal prosecution for the crime.

Opponents of this war must not allow themselves to be distracted by arguments concerning whether or not the Iraq war can be “successfully” concluded.  For decent, sane people, there is no such thing as “success” in an undertaking that is inherently criminal.

#100354 by ocjim
•  Though morally we have the right, a legal coda keeps us from firing this legal guardian for any reason, and he knows it.
Ocjim,

I like the legal guardian analogy, because that is what it feels like. We, as a huge population of citizens of these United States, remind me of the cases that come along when a minor has legitimate reasons to request emancipation from their legal guardians, be they parents or otherwise.

But, you’re off on the part about any legality that prevents us from firing him. In reality, our Constitution DEMANDS that we fire them. That’s exactly why the framers wrote the impeachment instructions into the Constitution, and the language isn’t the least bit ambiguous. Not the least bit difficult to understand.

So, the only thing preventing us from firing them is power politics. Either that, or our Congress and other elected officials don’t understand what their jobs are. So, whether they’re KNOWLINGLY guilty of not doing their jobs, (like Nancy Pelosi or any of the blue dog democrats), or if they’re just ignorant, and don’t know the Constitution or the job requirements, they have failed to do what the law requires, and so they have certainly failed us. Because, they’ve taken life and death issues and reduced them to partisan power politics.

Whoever’s fault it is, (and we have to take a bunch of the responsibility ourselves) the Gangsters in the White House should have been impeached long ago, just on general principal….massive violations of every law or every land… Crimes against humanity, and treason. And because of the magnitude of the crimes committed by this gang of thugs, this is not a partisan issue. Every single member of Congress, (if they were exercising their duties responsibly), should have impeached them long ago, and then followed up with the appropriate prosecutions.

Meantime, SamSnedegar said all the important stuff in his earlier post.(#100351) It’s about oil, and it’s about greed, if we’re talking about Iraq, which is only ONE of the reasons that the Thugs should be run out of dodge.

~“I frankly do not expect that we are going to see rapid progress through these benchmarks,” admitted the ambassador. “It is important to remind ourselves that the benchmarks are not an end to themselves; they are a means to national reconciliation.”~

That’s from Ambassador Crocker, who may or may not have a clue himself, to what the real agenda has been all along. I don’t know. Naturally, he’s acting like he doesn’t realize that these alleged “benchmarks” were all BS to begin with, because the whole “surge theme” of allegedly providing this ‘breathing room’ that the Iraqis never asked for, was BS as well.

The “benchmarks” have been nothing more than another episode in the whole drama…something to keep Congress busy (making up all of these benchmarks) while extending the funding for the acquisition of Iraq’s oil. And, that’s the only “benchmark” that this administration has ever been interested in. Dick Cheney and his team couldn’t care less whether the Iraqis reconcile. In fact, that was NEVER the plan. The plan was to control the oil, and that hydrocarbon law is the only “benchmark” he cares about. NOT because it supposedly involves a distribution of oil revenues among the Iraqis, but because it codifies a distribution that leaves the Iraqis ENTIRELY OUT.
And, that’s exactly why we see that Hunt Oil of Dallas, has just done a side deal with the Kurds, for the theft of Northern region’s oil. That can hardly be interpreted as encouraging any political reconciliation of Iraqis, but rather more in line with the tail end of the divide, conquer, and rule strategy that’s been in effect all along.

Just makes me wonder why Crocker doesn’t seem to be up to speed on the real agenda. Or, maybe he is.  I don’t know.

The General however, is just lying. Smoke and mirrors stuff.

The shrub best friend, Hunt from the Texas, Hunt Oil Co. just gained a contract for the future oil exploration in the Kurdish area of Iraq.
Didn’t we all wonder how long before the shrub would show his hand and start passing out the prizes.

It really was an “Invasion for Oil”.
No arguement now can be made against that charge.
Bush has shown his Nazi Grandfathers bent for greed.

And now the real Graph

http://zfacts.com/p/447.html

BY BY $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Comment for OD, yes the lies and deceptions are from the liberals, for the truth comes from the White House and the Special Interests they so truthfully support.

Those of us who really pay attention to the cynical game of deceit played by Bush forces are extremely fatigued and frustrated. It’s like caring for a sick relative, our nation, but being totally ignored by a pseudo-legal guardian who cares nothing about the patient, and in fact is using the patient for his own purposes. We have time, money, and emotion invested in this patient and the patient is part of us. Though morally we have the right, a legal coda keeps us from firing this legal guardian for any reason, and he knows it.

One 13 month tour in Vietnam was more than enough for me, I cannot even fantom the idea of our troops going over and over back to Iraq. 

This general shows no compassion or care for his troops, just like his boss. 
Finding a yes man may not have been so hard, as they always say “I vas just following orders.”

“...neither General David H. Petraeus nor Ambassador Ryan Crocker could convincingly claim that the American military escalation in Iraq is achieving its original goals…”

Please come back when you can and state succinctly just what those original goals are.

I think I recall some LIES told about a “surge” when the Bushitter gang of thugs evidently needed to sent crack troops to guard the oilfields and pipelines, but since EVERYTHING the Bushitter gang of thugs has EVER told us was a lie, there wasn’t much point to their lies about how the surge would “clean up this area, and move on to the next,” because what was really going on was the movement of crack airborne troops into the oilfields while the reserves were reassigned to Baghdad and other places of little or no consequence to the Bushitter gang of thugs—-who only care about oil, nothing else about Iraq.

If you can’t cope with oil as the raison de guerre, then you won’t ever be telling the truth about Iraq yourself. If there were no oil there, then there would be no Americans there or mildly interested in going there, let alone staying there in the middle of a bloody civil war we created by the forcible removal of OUR OWN strong man, Saddam, who incidentally kept order the same way we only try to do, by killing and torturing to find dissidents and insurgents.

I also find it strange that the Jon Stewart show won’t mention oil, even as they skewer the Bushitter gang of thugs daily—-or as daily as they can get with 2 hours a week and endless vacations.

What it comes down to is that Americans don’t like admitting to coveting, lying, stealing, and killing, so they pretend that they aren’t doing all four of those things as a result of needing to steal Iraq’s oil for their economic survival.

To their credit in a sly way, the Bushitter gang of thugs did just what they set out to do: steal control of Iraq’s oil. It is just that they (and you) refuse to admit that this nefarious goal, which has been met completely, was ever part of their plan or strategy. Wonder why there is no “exit strategy” for the Iraq adventure? well, it’s because there is no plan ever to exit, and there never has been one. You can’t control the oil from afar; you have to be there, or some other thief will take your booty.

This administration was initially based on the illusion that the Shrub had a clue.
When one starts out with smoke and mirrors, it is really difficult to switch over to reality.
Especially when the titular leader has no idea what reality consists of.
And it is becoming harder by the day as more and more Republican’s are opening their eyes and seeing the reality that is Iraq under the Shrub.