Zionists have poisoned the rivers and air of America for many years in their blind and relentless pursuit of profit. They have infected the minds and hearts of it’s people with greed and materialism and enticed them to surrender their God, moral values and consciences. Americans have been deceived by the Devil and his demons. They must return to their God, ask for forgiveness and for Divine intervention to help them save their souls, if not their country!

Amen.

SamSnedegar (#99747) and felicity (#99794) are onto something in their observations here.  A people unable, and/or unwilling, to address and define their “situation” accurately, honestly, and coherently hasn’t a chance in hell of responding to its problematic aspects effectively.  Yet, when even the supposed “progressives” parrot the “war” propaganda of what is in fact a mass-murderous attempt to steal the world’s second largest known oil reserves (and that is only for-starters), it’s not at all surprising that your average run-of-the-mill american doesn’t seem to know, in the pithy words of this old Heathen Savage’s mother, “....whether to shit or go blind.”

How much of this virtual tsunami of disinformation is by malicious design, how much is due to laziness or ignorance or outright stupidity, makes no real difference in the outcomes and consequences.  These are uniformly degrading, and perhaps irreversibly degenerative.

Unless and until theamericanpeople muster the courage to confront the serious flaws in their “national” character, gain the clarity of mind to face-up to the grievous ills wrought on-account of those flaws, and find the “stomach” to undertake the substantial sacrifices necessary to making-good on all that vandalism, they are, as 911truthdotorg (#100108, “The General Lies”) suggests, “....doomed.”  Does it reach the dignified level of “tragedy” even, that these poor saps are not going to hear these hard truths on “the nightly news” or in their classrooms or from their pulpits or their privately-owned “public servants”?

From here in Indian Country it looks like theamericans are going to be the first people ever to fall into a “bed of roses,” and get up smelling like shit.

HokaHey!

What are you talking about? Everyone and their mother has proven this war was a mistake. The amazing thing is the Bush told his sheep he was going to invade while campaigning in 2000. Wolfy indicated that the “WMD story” was the only thing they could think of that would get legitimate support for the war.

I don’t know why it is so hard for Repukes to admit the were lied to by Bush about Iraq and other issues. Iraq cannot be won militarily and that’s a fact. You keep hearing this story about it will take time but the improvements you heard in 2004 still haven’t happened. Pull the tubes from your necks Republicans.

From the Dionne piece:

Privately, Democrats acknowledged that they had expected opposition to the war to grow more than it did this summer. “There was some momentum building up in June and July to change the policy,” said a senior Democratic congressional staff member. “But that’s abated. I certainly thought ... that September would look like a change month, but now it looks less so.”

No kidding. Maybe if the Democrats hadn’t been so spineless, maybe if they hadn’t caved in to Bush, maybe if they had cut off funding and stuck to it, maybe if they had pushed on bringing the troops home…perhaps then the public wouldn’t have gotten discouraged, and opposition would have continued to grow.

Bush’s ‘Surge’ is more aptly described as his “Urge’ (for sacrificial blood)! - dedicated to his god, Satan!

War?  Not a war.  Surge?  Not a surge.  Iraqi government?  No government, anarchy.

A surge is a wave, a billow, a rush, a torrent, so what’s a surge that lasts for years?  It isn’t a surge.

Maybe these erudite idiots would be closer to solving the ‘problem’ of Iraq, if they began by correcting their terminologies.

We are staying in Iraq because of Bush’s EGO.  He wants to be a tough bad ass.  That is not to be when he flies into, unannounced, a well fortified airbase.  If things were going so well he would have strutted his stuff in the streets of Baghdad where the likes of other politicians walk around in flack jackets and helmets within a big crowd of military men to protect them.

This is about the pride and “I told you so” ego of being a WAR president.  He will let the administration who follows him become the looser.  Well, he already lost this illegal war.

It is his EGO and nothing else.

sorry, but unless and until you start a dialog about why we are in Iraq in the first place, and why we have to stay there, you won’t be talking any more sense than the Bushitter gang of thugs.

oil, oil, oil are the three reasons we fight in Iraq, stay in Iraq, and lie about Iraq.

why a dialog? because stealing oil and murdering innocent people might be the only way to do this thing without a monster depression soon in the USA, and we can’t have that, can we? Think of all the babies who would starve if Uncle Sugar goes belly up, so killing a few million innocent Iraqis and telling a few lies might not be as bad as turning all those soldiers loose to rape and pillage our own country when we can’t pay their wages or feed them.

Hobson’s choice; there is no good way out of this dilemma, which incidentally got started with the Reagan gang of thugs and has now resulted in a nine trillion dollar unpayable debt, a job market that is based on disaster clean up, an unmanageable negative trade balance, and virtually no national wealth on which to base our currency.

Quote: “When Skelton said that “with so many troops in Iraq, I think our response to an unexpected threat would come at a devastating cost,” he offered a direct challenge to the administration: if withdrawing troops from Iraq is dangerous, failing to withdraw them may, in the long run, be even more dangerous.”
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I think that those in Washington and other “power elites” know this, in fact, it’s part of the plan.  You know, “we were just trying to right our wrong in Iraq, but then….well…you see…America’s security was jeopardized “inadvertantly”.  I believe the mantra will be something to that effect.  Unless we get the whole criminal cartel out…NOW.  The poor good-hearted neocons, always trying so hard to do the “right” thing, they’re just misunderstood is all.  Poor babies…....