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Posted on Sep 3, 2007
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Iranian female militia members (Basiji) take part in a rally in support of Iran’s nuclear program in Tehran in 2005.

By Chris Hedges

The most effective diplomats, like the most effective intelligence officers and foreign correspondents, possess empathy.  They have the intellectual, cultural and linguistic literacy to get inside the heads of those they must analyze or cover.  They know the vast array of historical, religious, economic and cultural antecedents that go into making up decisions and reactions.  And because of this—endowed with the ability to communicate and more able to find ways of resolving conflicts through diplomacy—they are less prone to blunders.

But we live in an age where dialogue is dismissed and empathy is suspect.  We prefer the illusion that we can dictate events through force.  It hasn’t worked well in Iraq.  It hasn’t worked well in Afghanistan.  And it won’t work in Iran.  But those who once tried to reach out and understand, who developed expertise to explain the world to us and ourselves to the world, no longer have a voice in the new imperial project.  We are instead governed and informed by moral and intellectual trolls.

To make rational decisions in international relations we must perceive how others see us.  We must grasp how they think about us and be sensitive to their fears and insecurities.  But this is becoming hard to accomplish.  Our embassies are packed with analysts whose main attribute is long service in the armed forces and who frequently report to intelligence agencies rather than the State Department.  Our area specialists in the State Department are ignored by the ideologues driving foreign policy.  Their complex view of the world is an inconvenience.  And foreign correspondents are an endangered species, along with foreign coverage.

We speak to the rest of the globe in the language of violence.  The proposed multibillion-dollar arms supply package for the Persian Gulf countries is the newest form of weapons-systems-as-message.  U.S. Undersecretary of State
R. Nicholas Burns was rather blunt about the deal.  He told the International Herald Tribune that the arms package “says to the Iranians and Syrians that the United States is the major power in the Middle East and will continue to be and is not going away.” 

The arrogant call for U.S. hegemony over the rest of the globe is making enemies of a lot of people who might be predisposed to support us, even in the Middle East.  And it is terrifying those, such as the Iraqis, Iranians and Syrians, whom we have demonized.  Empathy and knowledge, the qualities that make real communication possible, have been discarded.  We use tough talk and big weapons deals to communicate.  We spread fear, distrust and violence.  And we expect missile systems to protect us.

“Imagine an Iranian government that was powerful, radical, and in possession of nuclear weapons; imagine the threat that would pose to Israel and to the American-led balance of power, which has been so important in the Middle East since the close of the Second World War,” Burns said in a speech at the John F. Kennedy Presidential Library in Boston last April 11.  “That is our first challenge.”

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    “Our second challenge is that Iran continues to be the central banker of Middle East terrorism,” he went on. “It is the leading funder and director of Hamas, Hezbollah, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine general command.  Third, Iran is in our judgment a major violator of the human rights of its own people; it denies religious, political, and press rights to the people of a very great country representing a very great civilization.  And so we see a problem that is going to be with us for a long time, and we are trying to fashion a strategy that will work for the long term.”

George W. Bush’s latest salvo, on Aug. 28, was more of the same. 

“Iran’s active pursuit of technology that could lead to nuclear weapons threatens to put a region already known for instability and violence under the shadow of a nuclear holocaust,” he said.  Bush warned that the United States and its allies would confront Iran “before it is too late.” 

These kinds of words, pouring out of the administration, send a clear message to any Iranian: You are in trouble.  Bend to our will or we destroy you.  These were the same words, with a few minor changes, that the Bush administration delivered to Saddam Hussein, who, despite numerous compromises, including letting the U.N. inspectors back into his country, was overthrown and put to death during a U.S. occupation.

  And the Iranians know that without the bomb, which no intelligence agency thinks they can produce for a few years, they are now probably going to be attacked. 

The Pentagon has reportedly drawn up plans for a series of airstrikes against 1,200 targets in Iran.  The air attacks are designed to cripple the Iranians’ military capability in three days. The Bushehr nuclear power plant, along with targets in Saghand and Yazd, the uranium enrichment facility in Natanz, a heavy-water plant and radioisotope facility in Arak, the Ardekan Nuclear Fuel Unit, and the uranium conversion facility and nuclear technology center in Isfahan, will all probably be struck by the United States and perhaps even Israeli warplanes.  The Tehran Nuclear Research Center, the Tehran molybdenum, iodine and xenon radioisotope production facility, the Tehran Jabr Ibn Hayan Multipurpose Laboratories, and the Kalaye Electric Co. in the Tehran suburbs will also most likely come under attack.


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By Willa, September 4, 2009 at 5:26 am Link to this comment
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Hi. Plans are only good intentions unless they immediately degenerate into hard work.
I am from Islands and also am speaking English, give true I wrote the following sentence: “Cures for thinning hair: at the ointment of foliage, and thinning from damage, he was a mullet to only one.”

Waiting for a reply raspberry, Willa.

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By gncarlo, September 14, 2007 at 1:19 pm Link to this comment

This reminds me of the Carl Cameron story at Fox News a few years ago, a three-part series about Israeli companies AMDOCS and INFOSYS(or something like that) installing and processing telecommunications surveillance systems in the US, as well as the curious story about the Israeli “students” who were witnessed videotaping the first plane hitting the World Trade Center towers.  These fellows were seen jumping up and down, high-fiving each other, etc.  When they were stopped by police, they said “We are Israeli! We were celebrating because now we are allies in the War On Terror.”  Of course, they were celebrating before the second plane hit, at a time when everyone else was still thinking it was simply a tragic accident. Curious, don’t you think?  After they and a number of other “exchange students” were rounded up for questioning, the owner of the company that they worked for fled to Israel.  The State of Israel, with our tax money, hired them one of the most expensive New York law firms. After being held about ten months, during which Administration lawyers interfered with their interrogations, the State Department, under protest from both the CIA and the FBI, allowed these people to fly back to Israel.
  The point is that the Cameron story, after complaints from various Jewish organizations, and being deluged with carefully-orchestrated phone and email campaigns,  simply ceased to exist.  The Fox site said “this story does not exist.”  There have been a number of copies posted on Youtube, but they are invariably removed within a few days. 
  It is sad to see any site compromise its integrity by bowing to special interest groups but I suppose it is inevitable.  With enough money, and control of the organs of propaganda, any fanatical single-issue lobby group can create the “reality”  they choose, and defame and destroy anyone with the courage to dissent.
  There are some sites that so far appear to resist intimidation by the “First Church of the Holocaust” (that should bring out the screamers!). http://www.vdare.com , http://www.antiwar.com and http://www.ihr.org  come to mind; no doubt there are others.  http://www.Davidduke.com is also a good read, for those of you who are mature enough to go to the source, read the man’s own words (instead of what his detractors hyperventilate about him), and judge for yourself.  Don’t let the ADL compile your reading list.

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By gncarlo, September 14, 2007 at 1:15 pm Link to this comment

Interesting: I typed in “Hedges” and found numerous articles by Mr. Hedges both before and after the date of this one, 7/02/2007. But this one:  http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20070702_a_declaration_of_independence_from_israel is conspicuous by its absence. I wonder if this is an oversight, or are our moderators perhaps trying to “protect” us from the evils of “hate” and “anti-semitism” ?

(Several days later): This article: http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20070702_a_declaration_of_independence_from_israel  , critical of Israel, still does not appear in a search of “Hedges” at Truthdig. So, for readers who come here, the story does not exist. Down the “Memory Hole.”

One thing to keep in mind is that this article and/or the subsequent discussion would not be tolerated in the Zionist-controlled major media. Since they haven’t yet figured out how to control the Internet, they have to settle for lies and name-calling.
That is probably the most important, although the least understood and visible front in the GWOT: suppressing the Internet. I am told there are efforts in Congress to “deregulate” the Internet, allowing the largest ISPs to gobble up the smaller ones and then charge varying fees for access to different websites. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out where that will go. Access to Nizkor or the ADL would most likely remain free, while something like http://www.ihr.org or http://www.antiwar.com could have a significant access charge. I would like to see more discussion and publicity about the likelihood of this from people who are knowledgable about the Internet. It would be unfortunate if we were to wake up one morning and be told that, like internet poker, “our betters” have decided for us which activities are permissible and which are not.
Apropos the article above, I am currently reading a very detailed treatment of this problem. The book title is: “They Dare To Speak Out” by Paul Findley, former Congressman from Illinois. The book is a little dated (1985), but it is a shocker. I suspect things have only gotten worse.
  As far as free speech is concerned here, the ball is in Truthdig’s court.  The First Amendment only makes sense if it protects your right to say unpopular things.
  Question authority.

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By Skruff, September 11, 2007 at 2:17 pm Link to this comment
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Will they Have Mogan-David in heaven?
Oh lord we all want to know.
will they have mogan-David in heaven sweet Jesus?
If they don’t who the hell wants to go!

Gatlin Bros.

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By GodSend, September 11, 2007 at 12:03 pm Link to this comment

LEFTYPIG:

That’s what I expected you to say! smile

When you step before the Great White Throne of God, those words (and others) will condemn you to Gehenna for Eternity (a ‘hot’ resort in Hell!) wink

Bon voyage!

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By Inherit The Wind, September 10, 2007 at 1:52 pm Link to this comment
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Just for DogShit…words penned by a far cleverer man than I am:

The Preacher and The Slave

Long-haired preachers come out every night,
Try to tell you what’s wrong and what’s right;
But when asked how ‘bout something to eat
They will answer with voices so sweet:

You will eat, bye and bye,
In that glorious land above the sky;
Work and pray, live on hay,
You’ll get pie in the sky when you die.
(That’s a lie!)

The starvation army they play,
They sing and they clap and they pray
‘Till they get all your coin on the drum
Then they’ll tell you when you’re on the bum:

You will eat, bye and bye,
In that glorious land above the sky;
Work and pray, live on hay,
You’ll get pie in the sky when you die.
(That’s a lie!)

Holy Rollers and jumpers come out,
They holler, they jump and they shout.
Give your money to Jesus they say,
He will cure all diseases today.

You will eat, bye and bye,
In that glorious land above the sky;
Work and pray, live on hay,
You’ll get pie in the sky when you die.
(That’s a lie!)

If you fight hard for children and wife—
Try to get something good in this life—
You’re a sinner and bad man, they tell,
When you die you will sure go to hell.

You will eat, bye and bye,
In that glorious land above the sky;
Work and pray, live on hay,
You’ll get pie in the sky when you die.
(That’s a lie!)

Workingmen of all countries, unite,
Side by side we for freedom will fight;
When the world and its wealth we have gained
To the grafters we’ll sing this refrain:

You will eat, bye and bye,
When you’ve learned how to cook and to fry.
Chop some wood, ‘twill do you good,
And you’ll eat in the sweet bye and bye.
(That’s no lie!)

—Joe Hill.  Murdered 1915 by the State of Utah

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By GodSend, September 10, 2007 at 11:34 am Link to this comment

For those who prefer an in-depth study of Zionism, from someone personally immersed in it for many years, read “The Controversy of Zion” by Douglas Reed. You can read it online here:

http://knud.eriksen.adr.dk/Controversybook/

If you still want more, read:

“Zionism: The Real Enemy of the Jews” by Alan Hart.

When you’ve finished reading about Zionism, you’ll discover that just about every evil in the world today has its roots in Zionism! Why is that? It’s because the Root of Evil leads from Zionism straight to the Devil and Satanism. That’s not really surprising when you consider that Satan is the “god of this world”, according to Jesus the Christ - and He knows! The Devil is also known as the “Great Deceiver” and you already know that the motto of the Israeli Mossad is “By Deception thou shalt wage war”.

So, Bush, Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, the coming ‘Grand Depression’, the assassination of JFK, the attack on the USS Liberty ALL lead back to Zionism and Zionists - Israeli AND ‘American’ (they’re not really American, they’re Israelis in disguise - like Joseph Lieberman, et al)

“You shall know the Truth and the Truth will set you free” FREE, indeed - of the Zionist Devil worshipers who have infested America - and many other countries!

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By GodSend, September 10, 2007 at 8:21 am Link to this comment

You may be one of those people like cyrena , who never had Zionism explained to them. If so, here a 2 sites which will explain it all. All you wanted to know about Zionism, but were afraid to ask (for fear of being labeled an ‘antisemite’):

http://zionismexplained.org

and

http://www.ziopedia.org

There is no such thing as going ‘over the top’ about the evils of Zionism and Zionists (like Bush).

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By Conservative Yankee, September 10, 2007 at 5:09 am Link to this comment
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#99544 by GodSend on 9/09 at 9:09 pm

Hey, wild old Indian TAO Walker…..’The Way’ is the way of the Cross! Jesus said “I am the Way” (and the Truth and the Life). Seems like you went astray while walking away! Let me suggest for the last time that you find a way to find The Way, while it is still Day! Soon, the Night will come your way and that will mean ‘curtains’. When it comes to your eternal Salvation, it’s essential to do it His Way rather than Frank Sinatra’s or your own ‘My Way’ (which can only end in dismay)! wink Okay?

“Remember your God before the silver cord is loosed”.


With most sermons at least one gets a free lunch.  This tired, worn out, disjointed monologue hasn’t ANY benefit…  I’m done on this thread.

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By GodSend, September 9, 2007 at 10:09 pm Link to this comment

Hey, wild old Indian TAO Walker…..‘The Way’ is the way of the Cross! Jesus said “I am the Way” (and the Truth and the Life). Seems like you went astray while walking away! Let me suggest for the last time that you find a way to find The Way, while it is still Day! Soon, the Night will come your way and that will mean ‘curtains’. When it comes to your eternal Salvation, it’s essential to do it His Way rather than Frank Sinatra’s or your own ‘My Way’ (which can only end in dismay)! wink Okay?

“Remember your God before the silver cord is loosed”.

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By TAO Walker, September 9, 2007 at 9:38 pm Link to this comment

Cyrena (#99537) asks about Turtle Island.  It is all the territory purposely mis-labelled “North America” and “Central America” on maps.  HummingBird Island is the same, up south.  “North America,” “Central America,” and “South America” don’t actually exist anywhere except as words on maps, and in the fevered minds of those unable to distiguish between maps and actual territories.  The Native Peoples of other places around the world likewise know the true names of their own home islands.

“HokaHey!” is a way the members of the Lakota/Dakota/Nakota Nations have of reminding one another that on any given day there are any number of fates worse than death (living, as the domesticated peoples do, under the-rule-of-fear or, as right now, another just-plain reign-of-terror, maybe the worst of ‘em), and what a good thing it is to be a free wild Human Being in The Great Hoop of LifeHerownself.  “It is a good day to die!” we say matter-of-factly.

GodSend does seem pretty much oblivious to anything outside her own little bubble of virtuality, just like those she rages most vehemently against.  This Indian aims to follow The Way, in responding to her somewhat disjointed offerings, by “....encouraging what is right in young fools,” and “....walking the trail with no thought of any destination.”  This wisdom was lately written down by the Chinese, but it is found in all the Herstories told by all the Ickche Wichasha everywhere on Earth.

Cyrena’s reminder that patience (toward those struggling to make sense of the virtual world-o’-hurt called “modern civilization” enmeshing them) is perhaps the root of all virtue, is very much appreciated by this sometimes too “owlish” old Savage.  Thank you, Sister.

HokaHey!

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By cyrena, September 9, 2007 at 8:04 pm Link to this comment

TAO (99492)

There IS no accurate retort for GodSend. She’s just our cross to bear. When the Zionist stuff starts going over the top, (which always happens with GodSend) then you just have to respectfully request that she just simply STFU, and that will help for a minute or so, until she starts all over again.

Meantime, I’ve been meaning to ask you where Turtle Island is. I have the Great Opportunity of living in a Native American community as well, though of course we know that one lives the path regardless of one’s physical location. Still, it makes a difference in we have the advantage of the correct ‘atmosphere’, and we have one of those Islands here as well, having been long ago established (centuries ago) by the Chumash tribes of long ago, although I’m sure there are others that have since joined the lineage.

So, that made me curious, after reading so much of your very excellent teachings, because there are many similarities to the ones my own ancestors have handed down.

BUT, I have no idea what HokaHey means, (to a non native or a different tribe) so I was hoping you could tell me that as well.

Meantime, ignore GodSend. I think most of us have already figured out that the indigenous people of this land already had a far better bead on Spirituality than anything the Euros could bring with them when they came and stole the continent.

This is what always happens when people try to fix stuff that ain’t broke to begin with.

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By TAO Walker, September 9, 2007 at 7:45 pm Link to this comment

Again for the record, and GodSend’s (#99517) information, this old Indian’s People are not “tribes.”  We’re Native Nations, one and all.

The (apparently willful) ignorance and sophomoronic arrogance on-display in that prolific poster’s offerings here are unfortunately all too common among his/her co-religionists who presume to critique others’ “shortcomings” while glossing-over their own….if even acknowledging them publicly at all.  So is the monomaniacal obsession with some “evil incarnate” or other.

GodSend’s antipathy toward “Dubya” Bush and his alleged zionist cohorts is expressed in the same terms of self-righteous dead-certainty and “divine” authority that’s so glaringly characteristic of those same “antiChrist” forces’ own attitudes and rhetoric.  The Book of Changes cautions against “....branding evil, and fighting its minions blow-for-blow,” because one inevitably becomes what one condemns.  “The most effective way to overcome evil,” we’re advised, “is to make energetic progress in The Good.”

A Person of wisdom and integrity will recognize that it isn’t others’ “failings” that she or he needs to address.  This old Savage wonders what in the shape and contents of GodSend’s own life has him/her so “nasty” in her/his virulent assaults on those who don’t share his/her peculiar enthusiasms.  What condition is GodSend’s condition in?

HokaHey!

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By bill payne, September 9, 2007 at 7:10 pm Link to this comment
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Our money!

What’s going to happen?

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Viz link

http://www.peakoil.com/post517912.html#517912

viz is all important in litigation.

Smiles
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By GodSend, September 9, 2007 at 5:56 pm Link to this comment

CY:

Good News! - you don’t have to ‘buy this’ - you get it for FREE! smile

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By GodSend, September 9, 2007 at 5:54 pm Link to this comment

Hey, Hokahey wild old Indian on Turtle island?:

You sound more and more like a member of another tribe, sometimes affectionately referred to as ‘the tribe’ wink

I wouldn’t be surprised that if I climbed up that tribal totem pole of yours, I would find it topped by the star of David - that symbol of Zionism and the anti-Christ! I didn’t know there are Zionist Indians! wink Now THAT’s the tribe that’s VERY familiar with Pride! Faith in Christ is not Pride - it’s Faith in God! smile The Devil and his Zionist worshipers are the ones about to fall (after their Pride). Is ‘falling’ the same as MELTING? - could be (with God, all things are possible) wink

Hava Nagila! (Get Christ! - Get Life!)

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By TAO Walker, September 9, 2007 at 4:41 pm Link to this comment

Looks as if GodSend (#99503), exactly like “Son of the MorningStar” George A. Custer and son-of-a-Bush George “Dubya”, has no ears but still keeps-on talkin’ through his/her hat, anyway.  For the record, this old Turtle Island Native is no kind of “american” at all.  No blame….just fact.

Somebody is maybe headin’ for a great fall from that high-horse s/he’s riding into the ground.  GodSend seems not to’ve heard of the “deadly sin” of Pride.

HokaHey!

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By GodSend, September 9, 2007 at 3:19 pm Link to this comment

wild old TAO Walker Native American Indian:

It’s not a fear-mongering Gospel - it’s a love-mongering Gospel! smile Do they have radios there on the reservation? If they do, find a Christian radio station and start listening to it in your wigwam - or while riding your wild old horse, if it’s a portable radio. You SEE! - Christ suffered and died on the Cross so that any wild old Native American Indian like you can be forgiven your sins (and don’t tell me a wild old Indian like you doesn’t have any!) and obtain eternal Life, IF you believe that Jesus is the Son of God and thereby accept His free gift (free to you, not to Him!) of forgiveness and Life. Yeah, and you DO have to say “I’m sorry” for all the nasty stuff you did in your entire life, including denying that God even exists, and MEAN IT! MEAN IT means not doing any of those nasty things any more - but that shouldn’t be as hard as it used to be for an old Indian like you! wink

And DO get in touch with an old (or young) Indian who used to be wild and obstreperous but was tamed by the love of Christ. smile Any of them will be very happy to tell you about the long and difficult walk in their moccasins to the loving arms of Christ, by way of His Cross! Your walk is likely to be much shorter, of course - maybe just a step or 2?! You could be as lucky as an old Indian Head penny!

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By TAO Walker, September 9, 2007 at 2:26 pm Link to this comment

This Old Man wonders what the “....100% accurate retort….” (#99456) would be to the suggestion that GodSend’s fear-mongering “gospel” simply has no traction among free wild Human Beings because we know better….because we’ve been paying attention here for thousands of generations, and doing the ceremonies that keep our memories alive.  We are under no illusions about the nature and purposes of the monstrosity that’s been stomping all over us and our Mother Earth these ten millennia….nor do we pray for some “god” to come down from the Sky and save all the “good little girls and boys,” before throwing the rest of us forever into “hell.”

As for the schoolyard habit of name-calling:  A “Native American Indian” christian woman once made it her mission-in-life to bring this old Savage around to her peculiar point-of-view.  As time went on, and our Native natural immunity to such non-sense held-up under her most vigorous assaults, she finally gave-in to anger and frustration and declared this Person to be “....the anti-christ.” 

A mutual friend, who couldn’t help overhearing, gently suggested she was mistaken.  “This ol’ guy would have to be your UNCLE Christ,” she was informed.  “Your Auntie Christ, his Twin Sister, has been paying attention for many Winters now to what’s going on up there at HummingBird Island.”  Fortunately for all concerned, that pretty much ended the campaign to “convert” this particular Indian.

So GodSend might do well to forget about possible specks of sawdust in others’ eyes, and tend to what looks to be the saw-log in his/her own.  The zionists, like the islamists and the xtians and everybody else in the heyoka “civilized” world, ultimately threaten only theirownselves.

HokaHey!

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By GodSend, September 9, 2007 at 8:16 am Link to this comment

If someone calls you an antiSemite, the best and 100% accurate retort is to call them an antiChrist!

That should shut them up! smile

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By GodSend, September 8, 2007 at 2:38 pm Link to this comment

OK, purplewolf (in purplesheep’s clothing, no doubt!), try to get your mind around this:

God’s Word is not always to be taken literally.

Eternal damnation means eternal separation from God. God is Light, Love, Spirit and Holy. When you are separated from God, it means there is NO Light (24x7 Darkness - Blackness is better) and NO Love. This prospect should be enough to produce abject FEAR (more like ‘sheer terror’) in your purplewolf’s heart! If not, you’re stupider than you talk.

The HINT doesn’t describe the WH - it describes Zionist Israel! The WH is merely a vestibule in the “Synagogue of Satan”. Bush is a Zionist for sure, though. Anti-Christ is more accurate, but all Zionists are anti-Christs!

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By bogi666, September 8, 2007 at 2:32 pm Link to this comment
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Remembering that Bush had his epiphany in 1984 while at a matinée movie “The Last Starfighter” it’s not surprising that he and the U.S. in general would embrace the Borg, of Star Trek Next Generation, tactics which started with declaring that they are the Borg[the U.S.]and to resist their pending attack is futile and that the whomever they are attacking should just surrender because of the futility of resisting. To think that Bush didn’t adopt the Borg’s tactic would be foolhardy because what and how he does things so much resemble the Borg.

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By purplewolf, September 8, 2007 at 1:52 pm Link to this comment

#99324 GodSend:
Blackout 24/7? It has always been described,in a book of heresy,written hundreds of years after the fact?,by unknown persons,from tales passed down by word of mouth,yet all the true word of God? Was it ever altered,changed,parts forgotten,parts embelished,you betcha. Those who go to hell will burn in the etenal lake of fire for all eternity. Now fire make light.Light eliminates darkness.No darkness,no blackout.
In your “hint” part is certainly sounds like the people in the w.h. fit this bill very well.

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By GodSend, September 8, 2007 at 9:43 am Link to this comment

It seems that LEFTYPIG doesn’t know the difference between a dog and a goat! Just like he doesn’t know (or pretends to not know) the difference between a Jew and a Zionist.

Now pay attention, LEFTYPIG:

1. A dog goes ‘bow-wow’ and is man’s best friend, while a goat often gets confused with a sheep. If you stick around long enough, you will eventually SEE the goats separated from the sheep. You will be one of the goats, so then you’ll know.

2. A Jew worships Yahweh.

3. A Zionist worships Satan - in the “Synagogue of Satan” (so people will think he’s a Jew).

So which are you? (besides a goat)

HINT: If you just love everything about Israel (murdering, deceiving, lying, torturing, stealing (especially Palestinian land), ‘false-flap’ terrorism (especially the USS Liberty attack and 9/11), blackmailing, bribing, extorting, etc., etc., etc.) and its leaders and think Palestinians are just vermin or cockroaches and should continue to be exterminated by those Zionist Israeli Devil-worshipers, then you’re a Zionist. wink

Actually, we already knew that you’re a Zionist! (PIG) wink

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By Conservative Yankee, September 8, 2007 at 5:54 am Link to this comment
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99270 by GodSend on 9/07 at 10:34 pm

“Think of Hell as any city with a permanent Blackout, 24x7. You’re lost and can SEE nothing but you sense that other lost souls are there.

Think of Heaven as your favorite city, where you are always surrounded by those you love and who love you.”

Exactly the answer I would expect from a carnival huckster. “under which shell is the pea?”

No divine person with all the answers = one must think and do for himself.

No heaven = we must appriciate what we have rather than expect better

no hell = a morality based on individual conscience and personal attachments, rather than one based on fear.

“god” “heaven” & “hell” are nothing but an old fashioned take on the “war on terror” which may be summed up by saying Be afraid “terrorized” and put your faith in anonymous others for protection.

Personally, I just can’t buy this.

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By GodSend, September 7, 2007 at 11:34 pm Link to this comment

CY:

Think of Hell as any city with a permanent Blackout, 24x7. You’re lost and can SEE nothing but you sense that other lost souls are there.

Think of Heaven as your favorite city, where you are always surrounded by those you love and who love you.

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By GodSend, September 7, 2007 at 11:17 pm Link to this comment

TAO Walker:

Keep talking (to Indians who are Followers of Christ - especially old ones, like you). You don’t have much time left!

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By bill payne, September 7, 2007 at 5:39 pm Link to this comment
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We used the spy sting on Iran for visibility reasons.

Nothing evil.

But we’re a bit concerned that we are getting TOO VISIBLE.

http://www.peakoil.com/post517005.html#517005

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By TAO Walker, September 7, 2007 at 5:06 pm Link to this comment

This old Savage has heard plenty of the kind of true-believer “testimony” GodSend (#99111) recommends.  Those offering it have been generally sincere….sometimes even friendly, at first.  None of ‘em, though, have been Ickche Wichasha.  To repeat, we don’t worship persons….no matter how “divine.”

Besides, as also mentioned earlier, domesticated people (including lots of “Native American Indians”) are suckers for pie-in-the-sky-when-you-die (ala Conservative Yankee, #99082).  It’s just that us free wild Indians aren’t buying it….again, thanks anyway.

GodSend is welcome to his/her predilections, of course, but might try resisting the temptation to jump to the idiotic conclusion that those who don’t share them are visually impaired….and/or subject to the endless torment Conservative Yankee, too, is threatened with (GodSend #99183).  A line from Bob Dylan seems apt here:  “....that god you been a-prayin’ to is gonna give you what you’ve been wishin’ on someone else.”

“....Happy Hunting Ground in the sky,”....smoke the peacepipe,”....in their wigwam.”  Now ain’t that an “enlightened” point-of-view?!   

HokaHey!

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By Conservative Yankee, September 7, 2007 at 3:02 pm Link to this comment
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99183 by GodSend on 9/07 at 12:36 pm

“Conservative Yankee = Atheist = Hell (this is NO joke!)”

If all those sanctimonious idiot-grin xtians are gonna be somewhere else, Hell won’t be that bad….if I believed in it… which as you have probably assumed I do not! 

Tell me this evangelist.. If hell were a city, which one?

what about heaven?

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By TAMARLAIN, September 7, 2007 at 2:24 pm Link to this comment

THE AUTHOR DIDN’T MENTION ONE OTHER RESPONSE.

THE ONLY GENERAL WHO WAS MADE A SCAPEGOAT FOR ABU GHRAIB WAS DISCUSSING WITH GEN. SANCHEZ A PROBLEM WITH FEMALE US SOLDIERS DYING OF DEHYDRATION.  IT SEEMED THAT THE FEMALE US SOLDIERS LIMITED THEIR CONSUMPTION OF FLUIDS DURING THE DAY SO THEY WOULDN’T HAVE TO URINATE DURING THE NIGHT.  THE FEMALE SOLDIERS DIDN’T WANT TO GO OUT AT NIGHT BECAUSE THEIR MALE COMRADES RAPED THEM.  GEN. SANCHEZ SOLVED THE PROBLEM BY PROCLAIMING THAT DEHYDRATION WOULD NEVER BE REPORTED AS A CAUSE OF DEATH OF A US SOLDIER.

THE SUPPLY LINES OF THE 150,000 US SOLDIERS AND MORE THAN 100,000 MERCENARIES IS VERY ATTENUATED.  ONE WOULD ASSUME THAT THE RAPE-ADVERSE SOLDIERS CONSUMED SOME FLUIDS DURING THE DAY SUGGESTING THAT IT IS RELATIVELY EASY TO DIE OF DEHYDRATION IN IRAQ.  INTERDICTION OF THE US SUPPLY LINES WOULD BE AN ATTRACTIVE TARGET BECAUSE SUBSTANTIAL US CASUALTIES   COULD BE INFLICTED WITHOUT FIRING A SHOT.

THE FLUID-DEPRIVED US SOLDIERS WOULD TAKE THE WATER AWAY FROM THE IRAQI CIVILIANS.  BUT SINCE THE US INVASION AND OCCUPATION HAS ELIMINATED POTABLE WATER FOR IRAQI CIVILIANS, IT IS LIKELY THAT THE US SOLDIERS AND MERCENARIES WOULD BE AT RISK OF THE AMAZING ARRAY OF AFFLICTIONS FOUND ONLY IN SUB-SAHARA AFRICA UNTIL THE US OCCUPATION OF IRAQ.

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By GodSend, September 7, 2007 at 1:36 pm Link to this comment

Conservative Yankee = Atheist = Hell (this is NO joke!)

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By GodSend, September 7, 2007 at 1:32 pm Link to this comment

Zionism = Israel = Synagogue of Satan = MELTING = Gehenna

“Jews Against Zionism”

“Neturei Karta International”

“Zionism: The Real Enemy of the Jews” (Alan Hart book)

“Conspiracy Penpal”

“Ziopedia”

“By deception thou shalt wage war” (Mossad motto)

Satan = The “Great Deceiver” = “the god of this world” = Zionism

Anyone can put these pieces of The Puzzle together! smile

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By GodSend, September 7, 2007 at 8:44 am Link to this comment

Old, blind Indian TAO Walker:

You had better wise up about Jesus the Christ before you are recalled to the ‘Happy Hunting Grounds’ in the sky! Visit some of your fellow Indians who follow Jesus the Christ - and smoke the peace pipe with them in their wigwam. They will tell you all you have to know and do it convincingly. People are usually convinced by experiencing Jesus on their own body and soul! - and THEN they begin to SEE! smile

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By Conservative Yankee, September 7, 2007 at 5:32 am Link to this comment
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#99034 by GodSend on 9/06 at 7:10 pm

TAO Walker:

“Enlightened people from all races and nations follow Jesus the Christ, including Native American Indians! smile

Visit:

http://www.tribeofchrist.com  (This gotta be a joke!)

and join up! smile”

The concept of “god” was invented by a poor king who wanted to get his peasants to work, but couldn’t pay them…What better way then telling them “You’ll get your reward in heaven” Who ever came back and complained their compensation was not adequate.

Xtianity is a pleasant fairy-tale akin to tooth faeries Santa Clause, and Oz.

AND Sheep follow…

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By TAO Walker, September 6, 2007 at 11:05 pm Link to this comment

GodSend (#99034), however sincere, doesn’t make the critical distinction between “Native American Indians” and free wild natural Human Beings….what the Lakota People call Ickche Wichasha.  You won’t catch any of us worshipping another Person, no matter how “holy” she or he might be.

“Jesus the Christ” is the product of an advertising campaign instigated by the Roman emperor Constantine, for political and economic purposes.  The Cheyenne prophet and healer known to English speakers as “Sweet Medicine” was an actual Person of considerable accomplishment (none of it political or economic) who is still revered and respected….but nobody this old Indian lives with is foolish enough to try to set him up as a “god,” or institute a religion in his name.

Domesticated people, on the other hand, are by-definition in desperate straits, and so are easy marks for anything that promises to relieve their misery and “deliver” them from their death-trap predicament.  The women depicted with this article are stark examples of that, as are their counterparts in “The West” against whom they’ve been persuaded by their equally frightened “leaders” to take up arms.  This “dynamic” is not called a “vicious cycle” for no reason.

The defining charcteristic of “civilized individuals” is that they all run scared (amped-up several orders-of-magnitude when, like right now, an outright reign-of-terror is in-effect).  Their rulers are just as terrified, but “cope” by dumping-on their subject/citizenry….which sets up yet another vicious cycle.  Here in these latter days the heterodyne whine overwhelming the senses of all the tame Two-Leggeds comes from a perfect storm of such positive-feedback-loops altogether producing a globe-girdling stress-to-destruct test.

It is in the very nature of such phenomena that some part of some sub-system inevitably fails, initiating a cascading catastrophe that brings down the whole damned contraption.  This “process” has already begun.  It will run its course and come to an end.  Those Human Beings who abide within the integrity of the natural Human organic form and function here will one-day tell this part of HerStory to their GreatGrandChildren around the Winter LodgeFires.

There is no “limit” on how many People that could be.
There are no make-believe “qualifications” of race or religion or national origin.  LifeHerownself has room for all Peoples who find theirselves at-home in HER actual Living Arrangement.  Everywhere else is just another virtual world-‘o-hurt anyhow.

HokaHey!

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By GodSend, September 6, 2007 at 8:10 pm Link to this comment

TAO Walker:

Enlightened people from all races and nations follow Jesus the Christ, including Native American Indians! smile

Visit:

http://www.tribeofchrist.com

and join up! smile

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By Conservative Yankee, September 6, 2007 at 1:08 pm Link to this comment
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98967 by Michael on 9/06 at 11:13 am

cyrena:
“Even in that now so republican and backward state,”

Michael
“I usually look forward to your comment but In this case can you PLEASE STOP BASHING TEXAS.”

You are so right Michael… Any State that can produce an Ann Richards, a Barbara Jordan, a Ladybird Johnson, A John Denver, and a city like San Antonio can’t be “backward.” I usually reserve that title for Arkansas!

Wonderful friendly people in Amarillo, Big Glitzy buildings in Dallas, Great wide white-sand beeches just south of Galviston, and Tex Mex food all point to a splendid civilization. Honking along Interstate 20 west of Abilene makes one think about the TRUE freedom of life… still wide-open empty spaces!

Nothing wrong with Texas… Oh BTW is that hair REALLY Rick’s or did he buy it at that place that still sells “scalps” a bit East of Tucumcari NM?

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By GodSend, September 6, 2007 at 12:50 pm Link to this comment

There is no greater threat to the world and world peace than the American military and nuclear arsenal, commanded by the ‘Hidden Hand’, Zionist Israel!

Zionist Israel is 2nd, mostly through nuclear blackmail.

Perhaps Russia is a distant 3rd - but they’re not commanded by Zionist Israel!

Then there’s China, the long-term nuclear threat to the world.

Then come the other nuclear powers, most notably Great Britain and Pakistan.

Where does that leave Iran? Not anywhere on anyone’s radar! - except on Israel’s ‘Greater Israel’ radar, and therefore on America’s radar!

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By michael, September 6, 2007 at 12:13 pm Link to this comment
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Even in that now so republican and backward state,

cyrena   I usally look forward to your comment but In this case can you PLEASE STOP BASHING TEXAS.  Ok we fell for this moron but so did a bunch of other people across this county.  Even you metion he is a fake texan but blame us for him.  Most people hear where for what he talked about but never did.  Goverment that was honest for fiscal responsibillity and compassion.  we got none of this.  OH by the way I am 43 grew up on a farm in texas I believe in gun ownership but think the gov should stay the hell out the people lives and bedrooms and pocketbooks.  I am neither republican or demo because neither one of the scumbags is for me.  thanks keeps up the comments but please cut us a little slack.

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By michael, September 6, 2007 at 10:57 am Link to this comment
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Imagine an Iranian government that was powerful, radical, and in possession of nuclear weapons; imagine the threat that would pose to Israel and to the American-led balance of power, which has been so important in the Middle East since the close of the Second World War,” Burns said in a speech at the John F. Kennedy Presidential Library in Boston last April 11.  “That is our first challenge.”

Imagine one that was peacefull democratic and our friend.  Oh wait we had that in the 50’s we helped overthrow that goverment and installed the sha all over oil.  If I rember right it was the sha’s excess’s that cause the revolt of the 70’s.  THIS IS THE IMPORTANCE WE HAVE HAD IN THE MIDDLE EAST. Over and over and over agian.

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By purplewolf, September 6, 2007 at 10:35 am Link to this comment

# 98846-Louise & #98881 Cyrena:

If it was so easy for weedboy to assimilate a Texas drawl, he should have no problem learning Iraqi. After all since he wants to run that country and devotes all of his time to “their problems”, with nary a thought to America and its problems, which is mainly the Bush Bunch in Crime Inc., he should be sent ther immediately and permanately.And take all his trolls with him, revoke their citizenship and put their names on the “terror list” so they cannot fly back here. I am certain there are many volunteers who would be more than happy to give him a going away party.

As to weedboy having body doubles,there is no doubt that he has several. On a television show they had a body double-comedian walk out and give a speech and I believe he kissed Laura. Then the real one walked out and she freigned surprise.Probably fake it,what wife wouldn’t know the real thing? It is easy to tell the real weedboy, no one but him can get that negative ticked-off scowl around the mouth, the way it points down shows his displeasure and discust at things around him. That’s hard to copy and it’s a dead give away who is the real George W.Bush.

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By prosefights, September 6, 2007 at 5:40 am Link to this comment

Let’s hope Colonel Feehan gets message.

http://www.prosefights.org/nmlegal/dcvoid/dcvoid.htm#feehan3

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98408 by felicity on 9/03 at 3:01 pm

“Thanks for more details.  The last article I read on the subject emphasized the role of Israel over and above North, Poindexter…It actually said that the idea was Israel’s baby - as a cost-free way to update their arsenals.

Then again, as anyone who reads widely knows there are as many versions of events as there are people writing about them.”

There is far more evidence for the Poindexter/North alliance than for an Israeli incursion. The “Israeli version” is full of wholes, and does not explain the major thrust (to arm the Contra rebels) nor the part played by Air America in running drugs from South America to The US.

ALSO The Mossad is far more professional than the North Gang. Had they been handling this opp, it would not have been so widely discovered.  Actually, it was a real botch job getting none of the primaries done!

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By cyrena, September 6, 2007 at 2:17 am Link to this comment

Louise (98846)

...“By the way, it’s so great to know I’m not the only one who’s noticed he doesn’t always look the same as him. Or ... the same as ... well, you know what I mean.”...

Yes Louise, I know EXACTLY what you mean, smile, and I have to admit that you’re right about us (or me at least) discussing what might seem a bit trivial, (like his stunt fill-ins) when no matter what the devil he looks like, he’s still chomping at the bit to blast Iran out of the Persian Gulf. Or, “full-speed-ahead-cheney” is certainly frothing at the mouth with anticipation, and that’s all that matters. If it’s what Dick decides, it’s what the Boy will do.

Now, I had no idea about the damage he did to the Queen’s residence, but of course I’m not surprised. I’m surprised myself, that she ever got around to visiting. I don’t think I would have bothered.

This is as bad or worse than the gropes and feelies that he tried so clumsily with Angela Merkel at some other event. Like a kid putting a frog down some girls back, or maybe pulling her pigtails. He’s so gross.

Now of course I long ago realized that the Texas accent was a fake. He started developing that probably 20 or so years ago, when he was hanging out in West Texas with the oil tycoons, and what he likes to call, “the boys in Lubbock”, or “the boys in Odessa.” Still, at this point, it’s an even more outrageous fake than even when he was the Gov. of Texas. (because he didn’t have the walk perfected then)

Of course, his Governorship of Texas was like his first nine months in the WH…nobody ever heard from him, because he was never around. He was always on vacation, or at that raggedy ranch in Crawford, instead of his office in Austin. So, we just pretty much forgot he was even around. Then again, nobody else (even outside of Texas) had heard of him either. At least not in terms of becoming a politician. Even in that now so republican and backward state, most ordinary people expected Jeb to be the next Shrub in the oval office, not this complete moron. (NOT that Jeb would have been any better or different, but I’m just saying how nobody ever paid George any attention, if only because he was only known as a loser).

But, I got off track. What I meant was that I know that accent didn’t develope at Kennebunkport, and so it is possible that it could have been the real him visiting the Queen, when he was taller, and actually speaking in the “original” language of a clan that has ties to Hitler.

So, if we wanted to find out where his doubles hang-out, and really verify which is which, I bet we could find them at the Kennebunkport Enclave.

Quite honestly, that’s where I’ve always believed bin Laden has been hanging out for the past 6 years…in one of the guest suites.

How much taller was that double you saw anyway?

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By TAO Walker, September 5, 2007 at 11:26 pm Link to this comment

Thanks anyway, to GodSend (#98709), but us free wild natural peoples won’t be taking-part in the “show” you say is already playing-out according to the script of Abraham’s household god….one “Yahweh” by name.  We’ve known that “divine” entity since long before even “his” “chosen people” have….the “Israelites” by name.

“Wehyah” tried to set up shop here on Turtle Island back around 8000 BCE, but us Natives weren’t buying “his” snake-oil then, either.  So “he” went off to “The East” and finally managed to hustle a bunch of superstitious sheepherders there, instead.

One thing led to another, naturally, and “his” “servants” came back here half-a-thousand-plus years ago to take another run at us….and our Native Sisters and Brothers here and there all around the world came in for some of the same hard-sell treatment, too.

No hard feelings, really, but if GodSend and other true believers want a role in the grand finale of the self-dramatizing production of “Yahweh & Son,” they’ll all have to take a trip “over there.”  Indian Country will be “Closed for Repairs.”

HokaHey!

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By Louise, September 5, 2007 at 8:57 pm Link to this comment

cerena, (#98567)

Google “Bush and Blair” then click on images, pages and pages of pix.

I did this back when Bush visited the Queen. You know, the visit when the Bush people trashed her Rose Garden. Tore centuries-old Tapestries. Punched holes in the walls. Enraged the Queen and ended up costing about $2 million in damages.

[No wonder it took so long for the Queen to visit] Then, as if the man wasn’t a big enough dolt in her eyes already, he insulted her when she did visit. Anyway ...

The reason I did was I noticed, watching the news coverage of the Bush visit to the Queen, he appeared to have changed height!

Also, when he spoke, his irritating wannabe-a-Texan accent was hardly noticeable. Sometimes he spoke clear and articulate English. Not only was the accent gone, but his tone changed. He was relaxed, but not sloppy relaxed. In fact he stood and spoke and had a carriage quite unlike anything ever seen in this Bush.

When he walked with Blair and the Crown Prince he, well ... walked. Not that strange pumped up chimp-like “forceful” gangle, but a relaxed walk. And, he appeared to be taller!

Then another shot showed him, and an adoring Laura gazing at him and tightly holding his hand. Not that we haven’t seen that before, but it was different, like a welcome outing with a pleasant stranger. Plus the eyebrow thing. In some pictures his eyebrows give him a somewhat surprised expression. While that is not apparent in other photos. Plus he has his hair dyed, and it’s rarely exactly the same. Sometimes he looks like he has a perm. Other times it’s slightly wavy. Could be a bad wig on a bald actor. Anyway, I often wonder if he does have a double, or two. Now which is which I couldn’t say. But one thing I know for sure ... people don’t grow tall and short and tall and shorter again from one state visit to another. Although lifts could explain that strange walk, except when he appeared taller in Briton, he also walked normal.

And there is always the possibility that someone in the paste-up inadvertently reversed the negative. For someone with a chameleon face, [two sides quite different] this can make them look quite different. Sometimes unrecognizable.

And all that has nothing to do with the coming nuclear holocaust that this nincompoop may start if he attacks Iran with his nuclear bunker-busters except to say ... aren’t we nincompoops too?
Because after all the clown still circles the globe speaking in our name!

[Insert scream]

Another thing I know for sure, never invite JB Fletcher to spend the weekend and never, ever trust Bush with war and peace decisions! The outcome is so predictable!

By the way, it’s so great to know I’m not the only one who’s noticed he doesn’t always look the same as him. Or ... the same as ... well, you know what I mean.

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By Andre, September 5, 2007 at 8:51 pm Link to this comment
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Let them eat cake

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By prosefights, September 5, 2007 at 8:02 pm Link to this comment

legal activism

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/2939/235133

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By MAR, September 5, 2007 at 7:38 pm Link to this comment
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I have read some of the posts but do not have the patience to read all to see if anyone has hit the real truthdig.

What it is all about is that the fat contracts in the aftermath will go to the Haliburton Corp and other corporations friendly to the elite (Bushes) to reconstruct the postwar mess - if they even “win.”  Just as the same companies got the contracts after New Orleans and after Iraq. It is not about democracy but feathering the nest of corporate America who support the Republicans. And it may be a payoff to Saudi Arabia -= fight their wars to defend oil.  Americans have been brainwashed to believe that any move to a social democracy and income distribution is unpatriotic or “communism,” or some such rubbish. Hence your non-health care system and your wars in Viet Nam,  Iraq and elsewhere that are posited on the idea of spreading democracy but are really spreading hate against the wealthy West. I believe I am a conservative in my country but next to the Republican corporatism but I must appear to be a socialist. I support universal health care and Keynesian income distribution rather than the economics of selfishness of the University of Chicago and Milton Friedman’.  Shame on America. One of the few decent Americans of note appears to be Bill Gates and his friends who have their own income distribution system. America had a period of greatness after Roosevelt and until Reagan.  No more - it seems now to be a country led by a dyslectic moron whose strings are pulled by evil geniuses now leaving the sinking ship like the rats they are.

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By 911truthdotorg, September 5, 2007 at 7:36 pm Link to this comment

TAO Walker -

Sir, you are absolutely correct.

I was thinking/speaking in terms of saving the Constitution and keeping our freedom from any and all government involvement into our lives. Although, you and all the Native Americans know first hand how this government is able and willing to remove that freedom.

I live in Arizona and I see first hand what you’re talking about.

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By George, September 5, 2007 at 4:44 pm Link to this comment
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It was about the oil then, and it’s still about the oil. The next few weeks and months will be critical.
Both Syria and Iran are going to be ‘neutralized’. If necessary Saudi Arabia will be ‘annexed’ by the U.S. There’s no way around it, America is consuming some 70 million barrels of oil daily. Figure it out.
Just after the attacks of 911 I watched George Bush tell the American people inn a televised address not to stop shopping! That’s it folks. America is finished.The ‘economy’ is propped up on lead covered Barbies made in Chinese sweat shops at .35 cents a piece. Mattel charges $20.00 US What will be left is ‘BRANDS’. The only thing left of the government will be the ministry of war.

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By GodSend, September 5, 2007 at 9:44 am Link to this comment

TAO Walker:

You make some excellent points!

What, exactly, is going on HERE and NOW and what is worth saving?

SEE! The Puzzle solved at:

http://novalight.org

and click on “We Shall Overcome” in the Prophecies section.

Indians are invited! smile

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By prosefights, September 5, 2007 at 9:23 am Link to this comment

Our NSA visibility lawsuit http://www.jya.com/nsasuit.txt
continues to escalate
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/bpayne37/index.htm

What next?

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By lilmamzer, September 5, 2007 at 7:25 am Link to this comment

#98625 by Stogo

So waht are you waiting for? Sign up and go fight or shut the f**k up.

I did two tours in Iraq so far. I have seen and done things you can’t even imagine.

You don’t have a clue what you’re talking about.

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By deliverance, September 4, 2007 at 11:33 pm Link to this comment
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I live in Idaho and I am having a difficult time writing to senator footsie on this piece of toilet paper. Don’t think for a moment that Craig’s actions are off topic. They are symptomatic of the corruption which flushes Americans’ wishes, rights and children down the toilet. As the arresting officer said “embarrassing, no wonder everything is going down the tubes”.

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By TAO Walker, September 4, 2007 at 11:19 pm Link to this comment

When 911truthdotorg (#98629) says The Situation has gone way beyond “....politics,” and is now about “....saving this country,” this old Indian wonders exactly what it is that’s to be saved.  Here in Indian Country we’ve watched for quite awhile as theamericanpeople have been employed quite willingly in the systematic destruction of everything that makes human life worth living….not only on Turtle and HummingBird Islands, but all over the Earth.

Maybe what is so alarming to 911truthdotorg and others here is the increasingly inescapable evidence that the plutoligarchy sees little or no further need to “share” with their subject/citizenry even the customary crumbs and leftovers they used to let fall from the banquet table at which the privateers still feast more lavishly, if possible, than ever.  Is that something worth saving?

Maybe it’s “The Constitution” that needs rescuing….except that’s surely a purely political matter.  What’s more, that documenthas been to all intents and purposes a dead letter guaranteeing that wealth “trickled” always upwards and shit rolled safely downhill.  Some of the gangbangers’ “public” servants still pay the thing lip-service.  Others of ‘em see no further need for even that subtrefuge, here in these latter days.

If it’s Franklin’s “republic” which is the object of such concern, empire has been pushing that out of the picture, in fits and starts, right from its inception….‘til today it’s actual substance is barely even visible in history’s rear-view mirror.  Its symbols and rhetoric, however, still serve effectively to hide from the gullible the crimes against Nature committed with their tacit consent and slaphappy cooperation.

So what, exactly, deserves saving here?  With the ground of their very existence being pulled from under them, does it really make sense for the domesticated peoples to be trying to hang onto the abstractions and make-believe that is all there is to any “nation-state” or ideology or economic system?  They’re all no more than “accomodations” of one “class” or another on the Titanic failure called by its victim/perpetrators “civilization.” 

Let it all go.  Better to save what’s left of your organic functional integrity, instead.  Better to hang onto the essential human nature, now slipping through your fingers, that has a place in LifeHerownSelf’s Great Hoop here.  Better to get back on your feet and into your natural organic form….call it Tiyoshpaye. 

It does look prety grim from inside the contraption, alright….no argument about that.  Here in the land of the free and the wild, though, the Grass is growing and the Rivers are flowing and the LodgeFires are glowing and the Winds are blowing….free and wild.

HokaHey!

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By 911truthdotorg, September 4, 2007 at 8:49 pm Link to this comment

This is not politics…...this is saving this country!! 

You better get your head out of the sand and wake up to what your
criminal-in-chief is doing to destroy this country once and for all!!  And it all started with 9/11.

He made a secret deal with Canada and Mexico to merge the three countries (It’s called The North American Union) and create one currency - The Amero. 
No more US dollar.

Please tell EVERYONE you know to start writing everyone!! Google it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3jdQxDC7pA

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By Stogo, September 4, 2007 at 8:35 pm Link to this comment
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Tom Dalzell is a rightwing troll. What he conveniently forgets to mention is that when Saddam was killing those people he was America’s best friend. Thats why he ignored all those nasty letters from Amnesty Int. If he spent a little bit time away from the Limbaugh/Oreilly/Hannity kool aid he might grow a brain. Ala Cheney, go f**k yourself.

lilmamzer,

How much are they paying you to shed your brain cells? If you weren’t such a punk, you’ll have enlisted now and be on your way to Iraq where a sample of what will happen in Iran awaits you. They are even offering 20 grand to sign up and ship out. So waht are you waiting for? Sign up and go fight or shut the f**k up.

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By 911truthdotorg, September 4, 2007 at 8:19 pm Link to this comment

Outstanding article by ex-NY Gov Mario Cuomo - the ONLY Italian-American from NY who should be running for President!

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/090407J.shtml

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By Robert, September 4, 2007 at 8:09 pm Link to this comment

ISRAEL’S SECRET WEAPON
(SECRET NUCLEAR WEAPONS)

Sunday Times journalist Peter Hounam heard rumours in 1986 that an Israeli whistleblower was offering proof of what the world had long suspected. His revelations confirmed that Israel was building advanced nuclear weapons. After the Sunday Times published this scoop, Vanunu was kidnapped in London by Mossad agents and illegally smuggled back to Israel. He was tried in secret and convicted of treason and spying.

WHICH COUNTRY IN THE MIDDLE-EAST HAS THE LARGEST UNDECLARED STOCKPILES OF NUCLEAR, BIOLOGICAL, CHEMICAL WEAPONS AND NO OUTSIDE INSPECTIONS OF ITS WEAPONS FACILITIES?

Watch this BBC Video and you will find out all the details and massive deceptions by Israel and its Mossad agency.

Watch and find out about what Israel’s military transport plane was carrying when it crashed in the Netherlands in 1992. Why did it take 6 years to get the truth out?

Why is it that we have NOT seen the BBC Video and all the details about Israel’s secret weapons and the military plane crash?

Watch Shimon Peres during the interview and Douglas Feith’s role at the US Pentagon.

Click on the link to watch the BBC Video:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-234685330662058240&q=israel+secret+weapon&total=107&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=secret&plindex=1

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By purplewolf, September 4, 2007 at 7:56 pm Link to this comment

# 98567 Cyrena:

I went to your like and enlarged the picture, then back to TD -ear to the ground on Bush can’t rememberstory/ picture. The hair is exactly the same on the left side of his face and I am certain it is him. He needs a haircut it looks shaggy, next comment censored by me. Bushboy looks like he isn’t sleeping top well lately, he used to, or so he claims. Maybe he is getting a little worried with everyone jumping ship. Some pics look lika a lost scared little boy,as in the can’t remember report picture.Even looks like he might have been crying with all that redness on his face, or maybe his is just drunk or snorted some really pure stuff. Makes his eyes blurry and his cheeks and forehead red. I am pretty sure it is the real thing as even his body doubles have a tough time getting the scowl down pat.
And whats with Condi wearing heels in a rocky sandy terrain? Is she trying to break an ankle or leg and thus be unable to work and have to resign her post next? Since she cannot use the excuse I am going to spend more time with my family, any excuse would be welcomed, Besides I think Laura might get jealous.

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By lilmamzer, September 4, 2007 at 7:02 pm Link to this comment

#98600 by weather

What Israel hates most?

when Jewish kids are targeted for murder

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By weather, September 4, 2007 at 5:23 pm Link to this comment

What Israel hates most?

Getting caught in the headlights of their very own remarkable deceit and finding no else to manipulate blame onto.

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By aileench, September 4, 2007 at 4:51 pm Link to this comment
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I would like see presidential candidates support global poverty, we see that the focus of most candidates has been “fighting” immigration but I believe that global poverty and immigration have to do with the same core issue. If we focused on fighting global poverty there would be less need for people to leave their countries in search of a better future.

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By omop, September 4, 2007 at 4:27 pm Link to this comment

Interesting that the two main semitic races/religion diverge along two symptomatic ways of living. The Muslim/Arabs tend to exclaim that “Allah” will take care of them;- Allah willing. While the Jews in general exclaim that they are the most persecuted; the ones that experience the worst in what life has to offer; in short doing the Jesuit thing of those who cry the most get their wheels oiled.

Interesting too that a nation of some 6 million have been the recipient of over 150 billion dollars since its creation. The yearly aid to Israel from the US is 2/3 times the aid the ENTIRE continent of Africa receives.

Along the same line of thinking Israel accodring to experts from around the world has over 200 nukes. Iran the “bad guy” in the present scenario does not even have ONE. If Iran is such a danger entity and possess no nukes what does one call a state with over 200 nukes.

Come 2048 the reality scenario, unless Mr. Bush answers Podhoretz’s parayer to his Jewsih God and published in the Wall Street Journal seveal weeks ago either be two ghettos side by side or one state comprising both semitic sides.

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By omop, September 4, 2007 at 4:25 pm Link to this comment

Interesting that the two main semitic races/religions diverge along two symptomatic ways of living. The Muslim/Arabs tend to exclaim that “Allah” will take care of them;- Allah willing. While the Jews in general exclaim that they are the most persecuted; the ones that experience the worst in what life has to offer; in short doing the Jesuit thing of those who cry the most get their wheels oiled.

Interesting too that a nation of some 6 million have been the recipient of over 150 billion dollars since its creation. The yearly aid to Israel from the US is 2/3 times the aid the ENTIRE continent of Africa receives.

Along the same line of thinking Israel, according to experts from around the world, has over 200 nukes. Iran the “bad guy” in the present scenario does not even have ONE. If Iran is such a danger entity and possess no nukes what does one call a state with over 200 nukes.

Come 2048 the reality scenario, unless Mr. Bush answers Podhoretz’s prayer to his Jewish God and published in the Wall Street Journal several weeks ago there will either be two ghettos side by side as at present or one state comprising both semitic sides.

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By PatrickHenry, September 4, 2007 at 3:20 pm Link to this comment

#98526 by lilmamzer

It is obvious that you are Israeli or an active agent of GIYUS.org.

Your previous posts on other blogs always put Israel first, America second.

Don’t forget the CIA overthew the democraticaly elected government of Iran and installed the corrupt shah with the savak secret police who tortured the populace.  Hey do we have a parallel here?

Remember the Liberty!

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By toddy, September 4, 2007 at 3:16 pm Link to this comment
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Wake Up America…....911 was a Inside Job….Carried out by our own criminal government!....Time is running out!

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By PatrickHenry, September 4, 2007 at 3:03 pm Link to this comment

#98516 by Paolo.

I couldn’t agree more with this post.

The mainstream media’s translation has twisted the Iran leaders message to mean something alot more provacative, parroted by GIYUS.org and the internet megaphone.

Our government needs to decide which is more important, ending an unpopular adventurist war over there or alienating the U.S. populace to the point of beginning a civil war here.

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By towanda, September 4, 2007 at 2:00 pm Link to this comment
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This is insane!!!!!!Wake up people!!!!!!wake up!!!!

  A new conciseness is developing what see’s the earth as a single organisim, and reconizes, that an organism at war with itself is doomed.”
                Caral Sagan


  We are all humans and should treat each other humanly and with careing.

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By cyrena, September 4, 2007 at 1:12 pm Link to this comment

Re#98556

Hazmaq,

We got it!! (though you know bush doesn’t get it at all). He and Cheney still don’t want to let our kids and spouses and parents and siblings come home, (at least not without the OIL, over which they have no power..i.e., our troops cannot force the Iraqis to sign over their oil)and so I’ve long ago proposed that we just go over there and pick them up ourselves.

Pack up your stuff kids, the Mom convoy is on the way to get you.

Meantime, the cruelest of ironies, (which hazmaq reminds us of) is that there probably was a time, when we could have utilized the assistance of the Iranians, in GETTING OUT more safely. They have been willing to help in the past, but the Cabal has NEVER been willing to communicate with them, because it’s ALWAYS been part of the agenda, to attack Iran as well.

So, they’ve spent the past 3 years demonizing Iran, and letting them know that they are next on the list. (especially since they don’t have any nukes)And, the Iranians know that as well, just as every other country knows that without nukes, the US is likely to attack at any given moment.

Meantime, the Cabal has insisted that everybody believe that Iran is after weapons technology instead of what they and the UN have comfirmed…and what the UN has confirmed, is that Iran has what the IAEA and the NPT allow and guarantee, which is the right to pursue modern technology and all of the uses for the same, which include energy, medicine, and a variety of other things that this technology can provide.

As far as the Iranians are concerned, the US is trying to prevent them from existing and competing in a future that includes all varieties of technology. And from all of the rhetoric, that’s the assumption that the rest of us should consider as well.

Meantime, back in Iraq, here’s the latest on the last high-level secret visit.


http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/04/world/middleeast/04iraq.html?_r=1&th;=&oref=slogin&emc=th&pagewanted=all

Be sure to check out the photos. Somebody tell me if they can be SURE this is the Shrub in the photo with Gates and Condi, (Condi is dressed for an evening on the town, even though their in the middle of the desert on a military base in Anbar Province, so she looks pretty much like herself.) But GW, well…he just doesn’t look the same in this photo. Almost like it might not even be the real GW. Is that possible?

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By lilmamzer, September 4, 2007 at 12:52 pm Link to this comment

Zionism = Israel = Jews

blame blame blame

blah blah blah

What a frightfully childish and twisted fixation these leftist Trotskyite commenters here at TruthDig have.

I take comfort in the fact that they are factually, logically, and rhetorically incompetent, as are most hate-mongers.

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By hazmaq, September 4, 2007 at 12:14 pm Link to this comment

98505
984844 Re attacking Iran.

Think like Bush and Cheney and their attorneys.
Who ever said ‘we’ were going to ‘attack’ Iran.

It’s well known in the public record that Bush and Blair expedited and doubled weapons orders to Israel for a full year, up to the time of ‘war’ with Lebanon.

They used a common border skirmish as an excuse to launch, just as Bush used 9-11 as an excuse to hit Iraq.
Turkey now is trying to use the same excuse to attack Northern Iraq, since the US destroyed a fragile peace there, too.

Bush and Congress now build up the pitch of Iran in Iraq as an excuse to launch—not to ‘attack’ but to ‘defend’ Iraq.

For anyone to think Iran doesn’t have a right to get involved with its neighbor Iraq, or Syria, is akin to another nation demanding we not have relations with Canada or Mexico.

It’s none of the US’s business!  We give the Mormons and the Quakers and a host of other religions their space.
But it’s the Muslims who sit on the oil.


Bush and EXXON better wake up:

We’re not going to kill for you, anymore!

Got it?

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By mackTN, September 4, 2007 at 12:10 pm Link to this comment

#98476 by Tom Dalzell on 9/03 at 9:27 pm

...meanwhile, about 1.5 million died due to Saddam.

Gee, well we showed him!  since our invasion & occupation, we’ve matched him in death & destruction of innocent people. 

Of course, Saddam was our boy for quite awhile.  Where does the killing end?  In the 21st century, war is a losing proposition for us all. 

We invaded Iraq specifically for positioning, and Bush etal allowed it to deteriorate to rubble so that they could stay there, build their multibillion dollar base for strategic proximity in the Mideast.

If thhis is indeed true, then this topic should be addressed at the upcoming Petraeus presentation & request for $50 billion. 

What madness.

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By mackTN, September 4, 2007 at 11:52 am Link to this comment

Surely you jest.  I can’t believe he would be allowed to get away with such a thing. 

I just don’t believe it.

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By KYJurisDoctor, September 4, 2007 at 10:27 am Link to this comment

Can we afford to fight several wars on several different fronts?

http://OsiSpeaks.com or http://Osispeaks.org

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By purplewolf, September 4, 2007 at 10:08 am Link to this comment

# 98458 coolrebel:
You say there is no way the repukelicans would invade Iran before the 2008 elections. Don’t bet on it. The Bush Bunch is just waiting for the next crisis, whether it is man made or by nature(i.e. hurricanes etc.)or something they have to do delibertly to suspend the elections, declare Martial Law, and then instill himself and Dicko the only 2 people in the country to run all the goverment agencies, bring in their private hired military sources they have built up over the years from all over the world to take over everything “we the people have”,take the last of our rights away to start with and not even allow any other members of congress to see they hidden agenda for at least 6 months later,if ever. He has been itching to be dictator of America well before 1996 in numerous interviews and public addresses.Look up Bush’s Martial Law plan for America and its people and see what he plans to do.By the way these plans are already in place, he is just waiting for the next big thing to start the ball rolling. I don’t know why he hates America so much and it’s people? Is it because his daddy didn’t get elected for a second term and he is out to make us all pay, just like his goal was war with Iraq before the 2000 elections? To do what he has done to all of us, and he will go on his way, unpunished for all the crimes he and this administration have commited against the world.

    WELCOME TO THE BUSHWORLD QUAGMIRE

EXPERIENCE IS A WONDERFUL THING. IT ENABLES YOU TO RECOGNIZE A MISTAKE WHEN YOU MAKE IT AGAIN.

But in this situation, being a product of the NCLB program he failed to learn anything.

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By Tim Hollis, September 4, 2007 at 9:42 am Link to this comment

This is why we needed a strongly aggressive opposition party. Well, we found out what allies we had in them. Now the situation is dire. Not removing this insane regime will prove (has proven) to be the greatest folly in US history.

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By GodSend, September 4, 2007 at 9:37 am Link to this comment

NO!, ocjim - it’s those inhuman Zionist bastards that are to blame for the world’s troubles (including America’s)! Americans have been intentionally deceived for decades, if not longer. wink 9/11 and its aftermath cover-up is the perfect demonstration of just how deceived and brainwashed the vast majority of Americans are. wink “1984” is finally arriving - just a tad late! wink

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By lilmamzer, September 4, 2007 at 9:29 am Link to this comment

Those who claim that the mullah’s Iranian regime is not now or ever has been a threat to its neighbors (and beyond) are either willfully ignorant or trying to be misleading (but doing a poor job of it).

Ther are true progressive thinkers and actors who will not sit idly by (or, as in the case of most TruthDig commenters voice moral support for the mullah’s regime) whilst the largest source of Islamic terror funding in the world arms itself with nuclear weapons.

We should all pray that the imminent decapitation and disarming of the mullah’s regime is swift and results in a minimum loss of innocent life.

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By ocjim, September 4, 2007 at 9:21 am Link to this comment

We should never target Israel, Iran or anyone else as the blame for the travail in the Middle East. It is our reckless policy, our lack of diplomacy, our lack of future planning, and our acceptance of current bone-headed policy. Intelligent and prudent leadership has been lacking in our country too long.

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By Paolo, September 4, 2007 at 8:02 am Link to this comment

Howard said,

“The present leader of Iran, which does not even border on Israel, has sworn to destroy Israel.”

Iran has neither invaded, nor threatened to invade, anyone. I assume you refer to the oft-repeated misquote that has Ahmadi-Nejad saying “Israel must be wiped off the map.”

What he ACTUALLY said was, “The Zionist Regime should disappear from the pages of time.” This is more than a subtle difference. It’s less inflammatory than, say, Reagan calling the Soviet Union an “Evil Empire” that should end up “in the dustbin of history.”

I’m no particular fan of either Iran or Israel. America’s position should be that it doesn’t have a dog in this fight. As George Washington put it, we should have friendship and trade with all nations, but entangling alliances with none.

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By omop, September 4, 2007 at 7:34 am Link to this comment

The overridng issues for Americans and mostly others principally in the Middle East, Asia and in time Africa are will American policies and military acts diminish or expectantly stop.

Next year will mark the 60th year a colonial state was established in the Middle East with American approval and support. Followed a few years later with a war in Korea, followed by Vietnam, followed by a series of military acts in several South American nations, followed by Cuban Missiles Crisis, followed by Bosnia/Kosovo…...Afghanistan, Iraq and the impending nuking of Iran.

Both Somalia and Sudan/Darfur are just over the horizon. While the more it seems to change the more it stays the same but costing more in human lives and suffering.

Mr. Hedges commentary is a studied condemnation of a foreign policy that has reached a point of no return. Such a policy works for Israel because Israel is protected by the US. Copying Israeli policies towards the outside world will not work much longer for the US simply because the US does not have a protector.

By attacking or invading Iran the US would be crossing the famous line in the sand. One would think that Muslim and Arab nations would find it almost impossible to contain extremists. If Mr. Bush does what supposedly he was advised to do by Ariel Sharon/Israel and AIPAC to invade Iran rather than Iraq he will in all probability nail the coffin on the US ever again regaining any modicum of respect.

The costs associated with such an undertaking driven by ignorance and arrogance are hard to imagine.

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By ender, September 4, 2007 at 7:28 am Link to this comment

I truly wish America had a two party system, instead of Republicans, and Republican “Lites”.  We need and opposing party that right now resends the War Powers Act, and give the President only the original authority granted by the Constitution.

We need a petition to this effect signed by a million or so Americans, and delivered to NANCY PELOSI.  I’m going to post on Wage Peace and a few other sites and see if I can get this rolling.

No one in Washington believes any of us ‘Get It’.

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By trank, September 4, 2007 at 7:20 am Link to this comment
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“But we live in an age where dialogue is dismissed and empathy is suspect.  We prefer the illusion that we can dictate events through force.”

this version of America is the result of twenty years of uncontested repetition by the fascist wing of the republican party made possible when reagan killed the Fairness Doctrine and ignored by progressives because listening to and monitoring the blowhards with the microphone gave them a headache.

all over the country one unwise jerk with the biggest microphone in the state can undo the work of tens of thousands of local citizens, not to mention on the national scale.

just like with iraq, unqualified supreme court justices, the rediculous idea that bush should be allowed anywhere near a government position, and shredding of the constitution, attacks on iran will be sold and largely enabled by the uncontested repetition of GOP talking points by your local talk radio station.

tens of millions all over the country get the lies and exaggerations pounded in every day, enabling their repetition in the rest of the MSM, supporting bush’s sycophant politicians, and threatening the opposition.

limbaugh, hannity, and co ARE the flavor of America and that progressives have ignored it is the biggest political blunder in recent history.

until progressives begin waving their signs at the local talk mega station and boycotting the the sponsors of the attack-iran chickenhawks bush’s fools will still think they have the upper hand and the wind at their backs.

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By ocjim, September 4, 2007 at 7:15 am Link to this comment

One thing that Hedges does not mention is the real possibility of a Bush who is “never wrong” declaring a national emergency when Iran retaliates in Israel and in Iraq and in the Persian gulf, bringing regional war and a blockade of oil with rising oil prices. Another screwup by Bush can result in the continuation of his tyrannical leadership. Remember, he has the power. He gave it to himself and Congress helped.

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By Traveler, September 4, 2007 at 6:22 am Link to this comment
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The Bush regime practises 19th century politics in the 21st century. Israel does definitely not profit from America’s policy.

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By Finntroll, September 4, 2007 at 6:11 am Link to this comment
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Check out that picture. That might be the most dangerous formation I have ever seen.

We see three women with AK-47’s. Only the one in the middle has the safety on, and the woman on the right has her rifle set to full auto! :D

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By Foppe Dykstra, September 4, 2007 at 3:51 am Link to this comment
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My idea is that the world may see itself as lucky if the USraeli attack on Iran remains limited to the ME.

Some 100 nuclear warheads are missing from the Ukraine since about 1990, it is asserted, as well as that Iran needed some fifteen years to crack the codes of the bombs.

Iranian nuclear warheads on Israel are quite likely to cause massive Israeli retaliation from the Israeli doomsday planes and whatever.
It of course is quite likely that then the Sovjet Federation also will retaliate.

The last item in this sequence is what Nevil Shute described in his 1963 novel On the Beach, the issue of suicide pills after a nuclear war on the northern hemisphere, to the complete New Zealand population.

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By cyrena, September 4, 2007 at 1:06 am Link to this comment

Re#98399

Attacking Iran without provocation is a war crime and illegal.  Will the military decide not to follow the illegal (and insane) order to bomb Iran?  Or will America and farmertx say we have to support the troops because they are not giving the orders?

Tim Kelley,

You’re right of course, about the military needing to simply refuse insane orders, and I’ve actually read a number of reports from scholars and the experts who have gone on the record on this before, and have in fact indicated, on paper, that they WILL refuse orders to attack Iran.

Now, this was several months ago, when I read that particular piece, but I’ll try to find it. But in the meantime, it seems like it would be helpful for some folks, (particularly those who believe for whatever reasons that it’s impossible that this administration would attack Iran) to check out Seymour Hirsch, and Ray McGovern, and Robert Parry, and several others who have been writing about these preparations to attack Iran, for at at least 2 years now.

So. this is very much a planned event, (the Iran attack) and it’s been planned for as long as the invasion of Iraq was planned. It’s just that Iraq was to be the first on the list.

But, if you listen to even a portion of the public record, or just all of the Shrubs speeches for the past 2 years, it’s been perfectly clear that they have planned a confrontation for Iran, that is a deja vu of Iraq.

So, while common sense mentality may say that this simply couldn’t happen, the reality is that it’s already planned, and it’s cheney’s baby, and it doesn’t matter about any of those common sense reasons for NOT initiating a regional catastrophe.

In other words, it’s a GIVEN, at this point, that cheney will in fact order the attack, if he hasn’t already. So, the only thing we can hope for, is the part that Farmertx says cannot happen…and that is for them to refuse those orders at the highest levels. That’s the only thing that could stop this catastrophe before it ignites the entire region. (as if it needed any more fuel to the already buring fire that is now the Middle East)

So, when we look at this excellent information that Chris has provided, about the targets and all the rest, it should assist us in accepting the reality of this, instead of suggesting such things as it won’t happen because the American people won’t allow it.

That’s pre-coup thinking, and it doesn’t apply in this administration, because they don’t care what the American people will allow or not allow. Nearly 7 years into this, we should know that by now. George would definitely do without any Congressional authorization to do war on Iran, if he didn’t think he’d get it. (That’s what they eventually did with the UNSC on Iraq. Just withdrew their request for an approval by the Council, because they knew they wouldn’t get it). So, we already know that this team doesn’t much concern themselves with that kind of stuff.

So, the moral of the story is…YES THEY WOULD…and on cheney’s orders, even if they are mouthed through a programmed Shrub.

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By hazmaq, September 3, 2007 at 11:22 pm Link to this comment

Howard, Howard. How…can you stay so blind?  Your not really, but it suits some bizarre purpose to pretend to be.
You say “..Israel wishes to be left alone. But Hamas and Hezballah wish to be proxies…?

Left alone?  Are you serious?  Where do you think most of the false intelligence on Iraq came from?  The ‘Mobile Weapons Lab’ photos came from Israel. And it was Israel who pushed for us to attack Iraq.  What the hell did Iraq ever do to the Israeli’s.
You point out that Iran isn’t on Israel’s border.  Then why is Israel the number one big mouth pushing us to attack Iran too?

Two other point you need to research.  Hamas and Hizb’allah.. .where did they come from?

They’re Israel’s stepchildren Howard.  Young people who grew up remembering the invading Israeli’s who killed their family members or bombed their homes and schools.
Here’s another bit of history for you Howard.  Lebanon was a ‘fledgling democracy’ as Condi called them.  Did you know that not long before the Lebanon and Israeli war last summer, Lebanon and Palestine won a UN dairy contract?  They won it away from Israel.
Although completely unaffiliated with Hamas and Hizb’allah, Israel bombed and destroyed both those dairies.


The hard liners of Israel and the United States are governed solely by greed and power. Not for your benefit or mine. For themselves.
And they’re perfectly willing to kill anyone who gets in their way.  Period.

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By Tom Dalzell, September 3, 2007 at 10:27 pm Link to this comment
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Chris,

You’re kidding right?  You think dipolmacy solves all problems of the human race.  Your problem is that you’re incapable of believing that evil people do exist in this world and that they’ll use force to get what they want or to force their regime upon you.

You’re so screwed up that I’ll bet my last dollar that you just read the above and concluded I must be talking about the USA (as the aggressor).

Amenisty Int’l spent 10 years sending nasty letters to Saddam.  A lot of good that did, other than make the ever so noble people at AI feel good about themselves, meanwhile, about 1.5 million died due to Saddam.

Where were the world’s Liberals when Pol Pot slaughtered about 1 in 4 of his own people.  Proportionally, that would be the equivalent of killing every man, woman and child from NYC to Atlanta.  Oh, before you go there, I’ve already heard the twisted theory that it was all because Nixon gave arms to Pol Pot.  The bottom line tha Lib’s never want to talk about is that more people died in Southeast Asia AFTER the USA left.  Yep, it turns out that the Commies did exactly what we warned - they slaughtered their own people.  Yep, hippies danced while millions died.  You gave peace a chance and got nothing but death and misery.  Good going!

Chamberlain returned from meeting with Hitler and proclaimed “peace in our time”, and 50 million deaths later we did have peace; thanks largely to the overwhelming might of the USA and its allies (a quick nod to all the commies who inhabit this site - yes, I acknowledge the contribution made by Stalin’s Soviet Union - though honestly I think old Joe simply got bored slaughtering his own people and wanted to kill nazis for a change).

An lets not forget the Rape of Nanking.  Maybe your overwhelming powers of empathy and understanding would have enabled you to grasp the obvious that Imperial Japanese was a brutual, racist expansionist imperialist warmonger.  I guess you think that the perfect turn of a diplomatic phase would have stopped the slaughter. 

Dream on Liberals!  But just remember that while you’re having your wonderful daydream, millions are dying in the world’s killing fields.

I guess that’s OK with you, because, after all, you still get to feel really, really, good about yourself.  Damn, those evil American armed forces and their fascist leaders, if not for America the world would be a peaceful paradise.  WRONG.

Reagan had it right.  America is the shinning beacon on the hill.  The terrible truth that Libs have such trouble admitting is that America is the greatest force for good in the world.

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By coolrebel, September 3, 2007 at 8:54 pm Link to this comment

the very unpredictability of the aftermath of an attack on iran undermines your thesis. there is no way that the Republican party (and they’re in charge now - not Bush) will attack Iran before the 2008 election. they know full well the american people won’t buy it.

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By Max Shields, September 3, 2007 at 6:16 pm Link to this comment

#98416 by Howard on 9/03 at 4:14 pm

You should be come acquainted with the facts.

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By Howard, September 3, 2007 at 5:14 pm Link to this comment

Chris Hedges writes a good article.  But not a single word uttered about Israel.  As should be. But pundits here are all ablaze at jumping on Israel.
Unreal isn’t it?  Little country like that. The present leader of Iran, which does not even border on Israel, has sworn to destroy Israel.
  Never again means that Israel will take seriously any crackpot who wishes to destroy the Jewish people.
Israel wishes to be left alone. But Hamas and Hezballah wish to be proxies for miltant muslim dictatorships. And to suggest the U.S. does Israel’s bidding is a false story.  Preposterous. Ludicrous.

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By eric swan, September 3, 2007 at 4:49 pm Link to this comment
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Cheney seems to be behind all of this. Several years ago I read of his shooting over 100 small birds that had been released from cages for that purpose, in one day. I’ve also read that he said that the detaines at “gitmo” had all they needed and all they wanted, and they lived in the tropics, the tropics. Are we not ruled by the insane?

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By Dr. Knowitall, PhD, PhD, September 3, 2007 at 4:37 pm Link to this comment

RAE, there’s not much to learn about gardening and chickens.  For the garden you need to keep it clean, lots of organic matter in the soil (can’t have too much) and keep it watered and in the sun.  As for chickens, all you have to do is watch out for the foxes and weasels, kind of like our government.  If you can keep them alive, compost their sh** and keep pouring it on the garden and, voila!  We’re all about a hundred years late with self-sufficiency. Buena suerte!

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By felicity, September 3, 2007 at 4:01 pm Link to this comment

#98387

Thanks for more details.  The last article I read on the subject emphasized the role of Israel over and above North, Poindexter…It actually said that the idea was Israel’s baby - as a cost-free way to update their arsenals.

Then again, as anyone who reads widely knows there are as many versions of events as there are people writing about them.

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By Crimson Ghost, September 3, 2007 at 3:47 pm Link to this comment

The most effective deterent to war is Iran’s ability to inflict heavy casualties on Israel and its supporters around the world in response to any attack

Our current rulers place far more importance on Israeli and Jewish lives than they do on the lives of gentile Americans and American soldiers fighting and dying for israel in Iraq.

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