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By Chris Hedges

The most effective diplomats, like the most effective intelligence officers and foreign correspondents, possess empathy.  They have the intellectual, cultural and linguistic literacy to get inside the heads of those they must analyze or cover.  They know the vast array of historical, religious, economic and cultural antecedents that go into making up decisions and reactions.  And because of this—endowed with the ability to communicate and more able to find ways of resolving conflicts through diplomacy—they are less prone to blunders.

But we live in an age where dialogue is dismissed and empathy is suspect.  We prefer the illusion that we can dictate events through force.  It hasn’t worked well in Iraq.  It hasn’t worked well in Afghanistan.  And it won’t work in Iran.  But those who once tried to reach out and understand, who developed expertise to explain the world to us and ourselves to the world, no longer have a voice in the new imperial project.  We are instead governed and informed by moral and intellectual trolls.

To make rational decisions in international relations we must perceive how others see us.  We must grasp how they think about us and be sensitive to their fears and insecurities.  But this is becoming hard to accomplish.  Our embassies are packed with analysts whose main attribute is long service in the armed forces and who frequently report to intelligence agencies rather than the State Department.  Our area specialists in the State Department are ignored by the ideologues driving foreign policy.  Their complex view of the world is an inconvenience.  And foreign correspondents are an endangered species, along with foreign coverage.

We speak to the rest of the globe in the language of violence.  The proposed multibillion-dollar arms supply package for the Persian Gulf countries is the newest form of weapons-systems-as-message.  U.S. Undersecretary of State
R. Nicholas Burns was rather blunt about the deal.  He told the International Herald Tribune that the arms package “says to the Iranians and Syrians that the United States is the major power in the Middle East and will continue to be and is not going away.”

The arrogant call for U.S. hegemony over the rest of the globe is making enemies of a lot of people who might be predisposed to support us, even in the Middle East.  And it is terrifying those, such as the Iraqis, Iranians and Syrians, whom we have demonized.  Empathy and knowledge, the qualities that make real communication possible, have been discarded.  We use tough talk and big weapons deals to communicate.  We spread fear, distrust and violence.  And we expect missile systems to protect us.

“Imagine an Iranian government that was powerful, radical, and in possession of nuclear weapons; imagine the threat that would pose to Israel and to the American-led balance of power, which has been so important in the Middle East since the close of the Second World War,” Burns said in a speech at the John F. Kennedy Presidential Library in Boston last April 11.  “That is our first challenge.”

“Our second challenge is that Iran continues to be the central banker of Middle East terrorism,” he went on. “It is the leading funder and director of Hamas, Hezbollah, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine general command.  Third, Iran is in our judgment a major violator of the human rights of its own people; it denies religious, political, and press rights to the people of a very great country representing a very great civilization.  And so we see a problem that is going to be with us for a long time, and we are trying to fashion a strategy that will work for the long term.”

George W. Bush’s latest salvo, on Aug. 28, was more of the same. 

“Iran’s active pursuit of technology that could lead to nuclear weapons threatens to put a region already known for instability and violence under the shadow of a nuclear holocaust,” he said.  Bush warned that the United States and its allies would confront Iran “before it is too late.”

These kinds of words, pouring out of the administration, send a clear message to any Iranian: You are in trouble.  Bend to our will or we destroy you.  These were the same words, with a few minor changes, that the Bush administration delivered to Saddam Hussein, who, despite numerous compromises, including letting the U.N. inspectors back into his country, was overthrown and put to death during a U.S. occupation.

And the Iranians know that without the bomb, which no intelligence agency thinks they can produce for a few years, they are now probably going to be attacked. 

The Pentagon has reportedly drawn up plans for a series of airstrikes against 1,200 targets in Iran.  The air attacks are designed to cripple the Iranians’ military capability in three days. The Bushehr nuclear power plant, along with targets in Saghand and Yazd, the uranium enrichment facility in Natanz, a heavy-water plant and radioisotope facility in Arak, the Ardekan Nuclear Fuel Unit, and the uranium conversion facility and nuclear technology center in Isfahan, will all probably be struck by the United States and perhaps even Israeli warplanes.  The Tehran Nuclear Research Center, the Tehran molybdenum, iodine and xenon radioisotope production facility, the Tehran Jabr Ibn Hayan Multipurpose Laboratories, and the Kalaye Electric Co. in the Tehran suburbs will also most likely come under attack.

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By Louise, September 5, 2007 at 7:57 pm #
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cerena, (#98567)

Google “Bush and Blair” then click on images, pages and pages of pix.

I did this back when Bush visited the Queen. You know, the visit when the Bush people trashed her Rose Garden. Tore centuries-old Tapestries. Punched holes in the walls. Enraged the Queen and ended up costing about $2 million in damages.

[No wonder it took so long for the Queen to visit] Then, as if the man wasn’t a big enough dolt in her eyes already, he insulted her when she did visit. Anyway ...

The reason I did was I noticed, watching the news coverage of the Bush visit to the Queen, he appeared to have changed height!

Also, when he spoke, his irritating wannabe-a-Texan accent was hardly noticeable. Sometimes he spoke clear and articulate English. Not only was the accent gone, but his tone changed. He was relaxed, but not sloppy relaxed. In fact he stood and spoke and had a carriage quite unlike anything ever seen in this Bush.

When he walked with Blair and the Crown Prince he, well ... walked. Not that strange pumped up chimp-like “forceful” gangle, but a relaxed walk. And, he appeared to be taller!

Then another shot showed him, and an adoring Laura gazing at him and tightly holding his hand. Not that we haven’t seen that before, but it was different, like a welcome outing with a pleasant stranger. Plus the eyebrow thing. In some pictures his eyebrows give him a somewhat surprised expression. While that is not apparent in other photos. Plus he has his hair dyed, and it’s rarely exactly the same. Sometimes he looks like he has a perm. Other times it’s slightly wavy. Could be a bad wig on a bald actor. Anyway, I often wonder if he does have a double, or two. Now which is which I couldn’t say. But one thing I know for sure ... people don’t grow tall and short and tall and shorter again from one state visit to another. Although lifts could explain that strange walk, except when he appeared taller in Briton, he also walked normal.

And there is always the possibility that someone in the paste-up inadvertently reversed the negative. For someone with a chameleon face, [two sides quite different] this can make them look quite different. Sometimes unrecognizable.

And all that has nothing to do with the coming nuclear holocaust that this nincompoop may start if he attacks Iran with his nuclear bunker-busters except to say ... aren’t we nincompoops too?
Because after all the clown still circles the globe speaking in our name!

[Insert scream]

Another thing I know for sure, never invite JB Fletcher to spend the weekend and never, ever trust Bush with war and peace decisions! The outcome is so predictable!

By the way, it’s so great to know I’m not the only one who’s noticed he doesn’t always look the same as him. Or ... the same as ... well, you know what I mean.

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By Andre, September 5, 2007 at 7:51 pm #
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Let them eat cake

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By prosefights, September 5, 2007 at 7:02 pm #
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legal activism

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/2939/235133

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By MAR, September 5, 2007 at 6:38 pm #
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I have read some of the posts but do not have the patience to read all to see if anyone has hit the real truthdig.

What it is all about is that the fat contracts in the aftermath will go to the Haliburton Corp and other corporations friendly to the elite (Bushes) to reconstruct the postwar mess - if they even “win.” Just as the same companies got the contracts after New Orleans and after Iraq. It is not about democracy but feathering the nest of corporate America who support the Republicans. And it may be a payoff to Saudi Arabia -= fight their wars to defend oil.  Americans have been brainwashed to believe that any move to a social democracy and income distribution is unpatriotic or “communism,” or some such rubbish. Hence your non-health care system and your wars in Viet Nam, Iraq and elsewhere that are posited on the idea of spreading democracy but are really spreading hate against the wealthy West. I believe I am a conservative in my country but next to the Republican corporatism but I must appear to be a socialist. I support universal health care and Keynesian income distribution rather than the economics of selfishness of the University of Chicago and Milton Friedman’.  Shame on America. One of the few decent Americans of note appears to be Bill Gates and his friends who have their own income distribution system. America had a period of greatness after Roosevelt and until Reagan.  No more - it seems now to be a country led by a dyslectic moron whose strings are pulled by evil geniuses now leaving the sinking ship like the rats they are.

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By 911truthdotorg, September 5, 2007 at 6:36 pm #
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TAO Walker -

Sir, you are absolutely correct.

I was thinking/speaking in terms of saving the Constitution and keeping our freedom from any and all government involvement into our lives. Although, you and all the Native Americans know first hand how this government is able and willing to remove that freedom.

I live in Arizona and I see first hand what you’re talking about.

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By George, September 5, 2007 at 3:44 pm #
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It was about the oil then, and it’s still about the oil. The next few weeks and months will be critical.
Both Syria and Iran are going to be ‘neutralized’. If necessary Saudi Arabia will be ‘annexed’ by the U.S. There’s no way around it, America is consuming some 70 million barrels of oil daily. Figure it out.
Just after the attacks of 911 I watched George Bush tell the American people inn a televised address not to stop shopping! That’s it folks. America is finished.The ‘economy’ is propped up on lead covered Barbies made in Chinese sweat shops at .35 cents a piece. Mattel charges $20.00 US What will be left is ‘BRANDS’. The only thing left of the government will be the ministry of war.

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By GodSend, September 5, 2007 at 8:44 am #
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TAO Walker:

You make some excellent points!

What, exactly, is going on HERE and NOW and what is worth saving?

SEE! The Puzzle solved at:

http://novalight.org

and click on “We Shall Overcome” in the Prophecies section.

Indians are invited! smile

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By prosefights, September 5, 2007 at 8:23 am #
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Our NSA visibility lawsuit http://www.jya.com/nsasuit.txt
continues to escalate
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/bpayne37/index.htm

What next?

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By lilmamzer, September 5, 2007 at 6:25 am #
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#98625 by Stogo

So waht are you waiting for? Sign up and go fight or shut the f**k up.

I did two tours in Iraq so far. I have seen and done things you can’t even imagine.

You don’t have a clue what you’re talking about.

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By deliverance, September 4, 2007 at 10:33 pm #
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I live in Idaho and I am having a difficult time writing to senator footsie on this piece of toilet paper. Don’t think for a moment that Craig’s actions are off topic. They are symptomatic of the corruption which flushes Americans’ wishes, rights and children down the toilet. As the arresting officer said “embarrassing, no wonder everything is going down the tubes”.

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By TAO Walker, September 4, 2007 at 10:19 pm #
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When 911truthdotorg (#98629) says The Situation has gone way beyond “....politics,” and is now about “....saving this country,” this old Indian wonders exactly what it is that’s to be saved.  Here in Indian Country we’ve watched for quite awhile as theamericanpeople have been employed quite willingly in the systematic destruction of everything that makes human life worth living....not only on Turtle and HummingBird Islands, but all over the Earth.

Maybe what is so alarming to 911truthdotorg and others here is the increasingly inescapable evidence that the plutoligarchy sees little or no further need to “share” with their subject/citizenry even the customary crumbs and leftovers they used to let fall from the banquet table at which the privateers still feast more lavishly, if possible, than ever.  Is that something worth saving?

Maybe it’s “The Constitution” that needs rescuing....except that’s surely a purely political matter.  What’s more, that documenthas been to all intents and purposes a dead letter guaranteeing that wealth “trickled” always upwards and shit rolled safely downhill.  Some of the gangbangers’ “public” servants still pay the thing lip-service.  Others of ‘em see no further need for even that subtrefuge, here in these latter days.

If it’s Franklin’s “republic” which is the object of such concern, empire has been pushing that out of the picture, in fits and starts, right from its inception....’til today it’s actual substance is barely even visible in history’s rear-view mirror.  Its symbols and rhetoric, however, still serve effectively to hide from the gullible the crimes against Nature committed with their tacit consent and slaphappy cooperation.

So what, exactly, deserves saving here?  With the ground of their very existence being pulled from under them, does it really make sense for the domesticated peoples to be trying to hang onto the abstractions and make-believe that is all there is to any “nation-state” or ideology or economic system?  They’re all no more than “accomodations” of one “class” or another on the Titanic failure called by its victim/perpetrators “civilization.”

Let it all go.  Better to save what’s left of your organic functional integrity, instead.  Better to hang onto the essential human nature, now slipping through your fingers, that has a place in LifeHerownSelf’s Great Hoop here.  Better to get back on your feet and into your natural organic form....call it Tiyoshpaye. 

It does look prety grim from inside the contraption, alright....no argument about that.  Here in the land of the free and the wild, though, the Grass is growing and the Rivers are flowing and the LodgeFires are glowing and the Winds are blowing....free and wild.

HokaHey!

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By 911truthdotorg, September 4, 2007 at 7:49 pm #
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This is not politics......this is saving this country!! 

You better get your head out of the sand and wake up to what your
criminal-in-chief is doing to destroy this country once and for all!!  And it all started with 9/11.

He made a secret deal with Canada and Mexico to merge the three countries (It’s called The North American Union) and create one currency - The Amero. 
No more US dollar.

Please tell EVERYONE you know to start writing everyone!! Google it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3jdQxDC7pA

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By Stogo, September 4, 2007 at 7:35 pm #
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Tom Dalzell is a rightwing troll. What he conveniently forgets to mention is that when Saddam was killing those people he was America’s best friend. Thats why he ignored all those nasty letters from Amnesty Int. If he spent a little bit time away from the Limbaugh/Oreilly/Hannity kool aid he might grow a brain. Ala Cheney, go f**k yourself.

lilmamzer,

How much are they paying you to shed your brain cells? If you weren’t such a punk, you’ll have enlisted now and be on your way to Iraq where a sample of what will happen in Iran awaits you. They are even offering 20 grand to sign up and ship out. So waht are you waiting for? Sign up and go fight or shut the f**k up.

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By 911truthdotorg, September 4, 2007 at 7:19 pm #
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Outstanding article by ex-NY Gov Mario Cuomo - the ONLY Italian-American from NY who should be running for President!

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/090407J.shtml

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By Robert, September 4, 2007 at 7:09 pm #
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ISRAEL’S SECRET WEAPON
(SECRET NUCLEAR WEAPONS)

Sunday Times journalist Peter Hounam heard rumours in 1986 that an Israeli whistleblower was offering proof of what the world had long suspected. His revelations confirmed that Israel was building advanced nuclear weapons. After the Sunday Times published this scoop, Vanunu was kidnapped in London by Mossad agents and illegally smuggled back to Israel. He was tried in secret and convicted of treason and spying.

WHICH COUNTRY IN THE MIDDLE-EAST HAS THE LARGEST UNDECLARED STOCKPILES OF NUCLEAR, BIOLOGICAL, CHEMICAL WEAPONS AND NO OUTSIDE INSPECTIONS OF ITS WEAPONS FACILITIES?

Watch this BBC Video and you will find out all the details and massive deceptions by Israel and its Mossad agency.

Watch and find out about what Israel’s military transport plane was carrying when it crashed in the Netherlands in 1992. Why did it take 6 years to get the truth out?

Why is it that we have NOT seen the BBC Video and all the details about Israel’s secret weapons and the military plane crash?

Watch Shimon Peres during the interview and Douglas Feith’s role at the US Pentagon.

Click on the link to watch the BBC Video:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2346853306620 58240&q=israel+secret+weapon&total=107&start=0& amp;num=10&so=0&type=secret&plindex=1

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By purplewolf, September 4, 2007 at 6:56 pm #
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# 98567 Cyrena:

I went to your like and enlarged the picture, then back to TD -ear to the ground on Bush can’t rememberstory/ picture. The hair is exactly the same on the left side of his face and I am certain it is him. He needs a haircut it looks shaggy, next comment censored by me. Bushboy looks like he isn’t sleeping top well lately, he used to, or so he claims. Maybe he is getting a little worried with everyone jumping ship. Some pics look lika a lost scared little boy,as in the can’t remember report picture.Even looks like he might have been crying with all that redness on his face, or maybe his is just drunk or snorted some really pure stuff. Makes his eyes blurry and his cheeks and forehead red. I am pretty sure it is the real thing as even his body doubles have a tough time getting the scowl down pat.
And whats with Condi wearing heels in a rocky sandy terrain? Is she trying to break an ankle or leg and thus be unable to work and have to resign her post next? Since she cannot use the excuse I am going to spend more time with my family, any excuse would be welcomed, Besides I think Laura might get jealous.

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By lilmamzer, September 4, 2007 at 6:02 pm #
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#98600 by weather

What Israel hates most?

when Jewish kids are targeted for murder

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By weather, September 4, 2007 at 4:23 pm #
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What Israel hates most?

Getting caught in the headlights of their very own remarkable deceit and finding no else to manipulate blame onto.

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By aileench, September 4, 2007 at 3:51 pm #
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I would like see presidential candidates support global poverty, we see that the focus of most candidates has been “fighting” immigration but I believe that global poverty and immigration have to do with the same core issue. If we focused on fighting global poverty there would be less need for people to leave their countries in search of a better future.

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By omop, September 4, 2007 at 3:27 pm #
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Interesting that the two main semitic races/religion diverge along two symptomatic ways of living. The Muslim/Arabs tend to exclaim that “Allah” will take care of them;- Allah willing. While the Jews in general exclaim that they are the most persecuted; the ones that experience the worst in what life has to offer; in short doing the Jesuit thing of those who cry the most get their wheels oiled.

Interesting too that a nation of some 6 million have been the recipient of over 150 billion dollars since its creation. The yearly aid to Israel from the US is 2/3 times the aid the ENTIRE continent of Africa receives.

Along the same line of thinking Israel accodring to experts from around the world has over 200 nukes. Iran the “bad guy” in the present scenario does not even have ONE. If Iran is such a danger entity and possess no nukes what does one call a state with over 200 nukes.

Come 2048 the reality scenario, unless Mr. Bush answers Podhoretz’s parayer to his Jewsih God and published in the Wall Street Journal seveal weeks ago either be two ghettos side by side or one state comprising both semitic sides.

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By omop, September 4, 2007 at 3:25 pm #
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Interesting that the two main semitic races/religions diverge along two symptomatic ways of living. The Muslim/Arabs tend to exclaim that “Allah” will take care of them;- Allah willing. While the Jews in general exclaim that they are the most persecuted; the ones that experience the worst in what life has to offer; in short doing the Jesuit thing of those who cry the most get their wheels oiled.

Interesting too that a nation of some 6 million have been the recipient of over 150 billion dollars since its creation. The yearly aid to Israel from the US is 2/3 times the aid the ENTIRE continent of Africa receives.

Along the same line of thinking Israel, according to experts from around the world, has over 200 nukes. Iran the “bad guy” in the present scenario does not even have ONE. If Iran is such a danger entity and possess no nukes what does one call a state with over 200 nukes.

Come 2048 the reality scenario, unless Mr. Bush answers Podhoretz’s prayer to his Jewish God and published in the Wall Street Journal several weeks ago there will either be two ghettos side by side as at present or one state comprising both semitic sides.

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By PatrickHenry, September 4, 2007 at 2:20 pm #
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#98526 by lilmamzer

It is obvious that you are Israeli or an active agent of GIYUS.org.

Your previous posts on other blogs always put Israel first, America second.

Don’t forget the CIA overthew the democraticaly elected government of Iran and installed the corrupt shah with the savak secret police who tortured the populace.  Hey do we have a parallel here?

Remember the Liberty!

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By toddy, September 4, 2007 at 2:16 pm #
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Wake Up America.......911 was a Inside Job....Carried out by our own criminal government!....Time is running out!

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By PatrickHenry, September 4, 2007 at 2:03 pm #
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#98516 by Paolo.

I couldn’t agree more with this post.

The mainstream media’s translation has twisted the Iran leaders message to mean something alot more provacative, parroted by GIYUS.org and the internet megaphone.

Our government needs to decide which is more important, ending an unpopular adventurist war over there or alienating the U.S. populace to the point of beginning a civil war here.

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By towanda, September 4, 2007 at 1:00 pm #
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This is insane!!!!!!Wake up people!!!!!!wake up!!!!

A new conciseness is developing what see’s the earth as a single organisim, and reconizes, that an organism at war with itself is doomed.”
Caral Sagan

We are all humans and should treat each other humanly and with careing.

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By cyrena, September 4, 2007 at 12:12 pm #
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Re#98556

Hazmaq,

We got it!! (though you know bush doesn’t get it at all). He and Cheney still don’t want to let our kids and spouses and parents and siblings come home, (at least not without the OIL, over which they have no power..i.e., our troops cannot force the Iraqis to sign over their oil)and so I’ve long ago proposed that we just go over there and pick them up ourselves.

Pack up your stuff kids, the Mom convoy is on the way to get you.

Meantime, the cruelest of ironies, (which hazmaq reminds us of) is that there probably was a time, when we could have utilized the assistance of the Iranians, in GETTING OUT more safely. They have been willing to help in the past, but the Cabal has NEVER been willing to communicate with them, because it’s ALWAYS been part of the agenda, to attack Iran as well.

So, they’ve spent the past 3 years demonizing Iran, and letting them know that they are next on the list. (especially since they don’t have any nukes)And, the Iranians know that as well, just as every other country knows that without nukes, the US is likely to attack at any given moment.

Meantime, the Cabal has insisted that everybody believe that Iran is after weapons technology instead of what they and the UN have comfirmed...and what the UN has confirmed, is that Iran has what the IAEA and the NPT allow and guarantee, which is the right to pursue modern technology and all of the uses for the same, which include energy, medicine, and a variety of other things that this technology can provide.

As far as the Iranians are concerned, the US is trying to prevent them from existing and competing in a future that includes all varieties of technology. And from all of the rhetoric, that’s the assumption that the rest of us should consider as well.

Meantime, back in Iraq, here’s the latest on the last high-level secret visit.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/04/world/middleeast/04i raq.html?_r=1&th;=&oref=slogin&emc=th&pagewante d=all

Be sure to check out the photos. Somebody tell me if they can be SURE this is the Shrub in the photo with Gates and Condi, (Condi is dressed for an evening on the town, even though their in the middle of the desert on a military base in Anbar Province, so she looks pretty much like herself.) But GW, well...he just doesn’t look the same in this photo. Almost like it might not even be the real GW. Is that possible?

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By lilmamzer, September 4, 2007 at 11:52 am #
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Zionism = Israel = Jews

blame blame blame

blah blah blah

What a frightfully childish and twisted fixation these leftist Trotskyite commenters here at TruthDig have.

I take comfort in the fact that they are factually, logically, and rhetorically incompetent, as are most hate-mongers.

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By hazmaq, September 4, 2007 at 11:14 am #
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98505
984844 Re attacking Iran.

Think like Bush and Cheney and their attorneys.
Who ever said ‘we’ were going to ‘attack’ Iran.

It’s well known in the public record that Bush and Blair expedited and doubled weapons orders to Israel for a full year, up to the time of ‘war’ with Lebanon.

They used a common border skirmish as an excuse to launch, just as Bush used 9-11 as an excuse to hit Iraq.
Turkey now is trying to use the same excuse to attack Northern Iraq, since the US destroyed a fragile peace there, too.

Bush and Congress now build up the pitch of Iran in Iraq as an excuse to launch—not to ‘attack’ but to ‘defend’ Iraq.

For anyone to think Iran doesn’t have a right to get involved with its neighbor Iraq, or Syria, is akin to another nation demanding we not have relations with Canada or Mexico.

It’s none of the US’s business!  We give the Mormons and the Quakers and a host of other religions their space.
But it’s the Muslims who sit on the oil.

Bush and EXXON better wake up:

We’re not going to kill for you, anymore!

Got it?

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By mackTN, September 4, 2007 at 11:10 am #
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#98476 by Tom Dalzell on 9/03 at 9:27 pm

...meanwhile, about 1.5 million died due to Saddam.

Gee, well we showed him!  since our invasion & occupation, we’ve matched him in death & destruction of innocent people. 

Of course, Saddam was our boy for quite awhile.  Where does the killing end?  In the 21st century, war is a losing proposition for us all. 

We invaded Iraq specifically for positioning, and Bush etal allowed it to deteriorate to rubble so that they could stay there, build their multibillion dollar base for strategic proximity in the Mideast.

If thhis is indeed true, then this topic should be addressed at the upcoming Petraeus presentation & request for $50 billion. 

What madness.

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By Non Credo, September 4, 2007 at 10:58 am #
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Jean Bricmont explains why we can’t stop this assault on Iran, and why this insane war CANNOT POSSIBLY BE “FOR BIG OIL”. It’s 100% for Israel:

Both U.S. political parties are equally under the control of the Israel lobby, and so are the media. The antiwar movement is far too preoccupied with the security of Israel to seriously defend Iran and it won’t attack the real architects of this coming war--the Zionists-- for fear of “provoking antisemitism”. Blaming Big Oil for the Iraq war was quite debatable, but, in the case of Iran, since the country is about to be bombed but not invaded, there is no reason whatsoever to think that Big Oil wants the war, as opposed to the Zionists. In fact, Big Oil is probably very much opposed to the war, but it is as unable to stop it as the rest of us.

http://counterpunch.org/bricmont09042007.html

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By mackTN, September 4, 2007 at 10:52 am #
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Surely you jest.  I can’t believe he would be allowed to get away with such a thing. 

I just don’t believe it.

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By KYJurisDoctor, September 4, 2007 at 9:27 am #
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Can we afford to fight several wars on several different fronts?

http://OsiSpeaks.com or http://Osispeaks.org

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By purplewolf, September 4, 2007 at 9:08 am #
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# 98458 coolrebel:
You say there is no way the repukelicans would invade Iran before the 2008 elections. Don’t bet on it. The Bush Bunch is just waiting for the next crisis, whether it is man made or by nature(i.e. hurricanes etc.)or something they have to do delibertly to suspend the elections, declare Martial Law, and then instill himself and Dicko the only 2 people in the country to run all the goverment agencies, bring in their private hired military sources they have built up over the years from all over the world to take over everything “we the people have”,take the last of our rights away to start with and not even allow any other members of congress to see they hidden agenda for at least 6 months later,if ever. He has been itching to be dictator of America well before 1996 in numerous interviews and public addresses.Look up Bush’s Martial Law plan for America and its people and see what he plans to do.By the way these plans are already in place, he is just waiting for the next big thing to start the ball rolling. I don’t know why he hates America so much and it’s people? Is it because his daddy didn’t get elected for a second term and he is out to make us all pay, just like his goal was war with Iraq before the 2000 elections? To do what he has done to all of us, and he will go on his way, unpunished for all the crimes he and this administration have commited against the world.

WELCOME TO THE BUSHWORLD QUAGMIRE

EXPERIENCE IS A WONDERFUL THING. IT ENABLES YOU TO RECOGNIZE A MISTAKE WHEN YOU MAKE IT AGAIN.

But in this situation, being a product of the NCLB program he failed to learn anything.

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By Tim Hollis, September 4, 2007 at 8:42 am #
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This is why we needed a strongly aggressive opposition party. Well, we found out what allies we had in them. Now the situation is dire. Not removing this insane regime will prove (has proven) to be the greatest folly in US history.

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By GodSend, September 4, 2007 at 8:37 am #
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NO!, ocjim - it’s those inhuman Zionist bastards that are to blame for the world’s troubles (including America’s)! Americans have been intentionally deceived for decades, if not longer. wink 9/11 and its aftermath cover-up is the perfect demonstration of just how deceived and brainwashed the vast majority of Americans are. wink “1984” is finally arriving - just a tad late! wink

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By lilmamzer, September 4, 2007 at 8:29 am #
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Those who claim that the mullah’s Iranian regime is not now or ever has been a threat to its neighbors (and beyond) are either willfully ignorant or trying to be misleading (but doing a poor job of it).

Ther are true progressive thinkers and actors who will not sit idly by (or, as in the case of most TruthDig commenters voice moral support for the mullah’s regime) whilst the largest source of Islamic terror funding in the world arms itself with nuclear weapons.

We should all pray that the imminent decapitation and disarming of the mullah’s regime is swift and results in a minimum loss of innocent life.

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By ocjim, September 4, 2007 at 8:21 am #
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We should never target Israel, Iran or anyone else as the blame for the travail in the Middle East. It is our reckless policy, our lack of diplomacy, our lack of future planning, and our acceptance of current bone-headed policy. Intelligent and prudent leadership has been lacking in our country too long.

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By Paolo, September 4, 2007 at 7:02 am #
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Howard said,

“The present leader of Iran, which does not even border on Israel, has sworn to destroy Israel.”

Iran has neither invaded, nor threatened to invade, anyone. I assume you refer to the oft-repeated misquote that has Ahmadi-Nejad saying “Israel must be wiped off the map.”

What he ACTUALLY said was, “The Zionist Regime should disappear from the pages of time.” This is more than a subtle difference. It’s less inflammatory than, say, Reagan calling the Soviet Union an “Evil Empire” that should end up “in the dustbin of history.”

I’m no particular fan of either Iran or Israel. America’s position should be that it doesn’t have a dog in this fight. As George Washington put it, we should have friendship and trade with all nations, but entangling alliances with none.

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By omop, September 4, 2007 at 6:34 am #
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The overridng issues for Americans and mostly others principally in the Middle East, Asia and in time Africa are will American policies and military acts diminish or expectantly stop.

Next year will mark the 60th year a colonial state was established in the Middle East with American approval and support. Followed a few years later with a war in Korea, followed by Vietnam, followed by a series of military acts in several South American nations, followed by Cuban Missiles Crisis, followed by Bosnia/Kosovo......Afghanistan, Iraq and the impending nuking of Iran.

Both Somalia and Sudan/Darfur are just over the horizon. While the more it seems to change the more it stays the same but costing more in human lives and suffering.

Mr. Hedges commentary is a studied condemnation of a foreign policy that has reached a point of no return. Such a policy works for Israel because Israel is protected by the US. Copying Israeli policies towards the outside world will not work much longer for the US simply because the US does not have a protector.

By attacking or invading Iran the US would be crossing the famous line in the sand. One would think that Muslim and Arab nations would find it almost impossible to contain extremists. If Mr. Bush does what supposedly he was advised to do by Ariel Sharon/Israel and AIPAC to invade Iran rather than Iraq he will in all probability nail the coffin on the US ever again regaining any modicum of respect.

The costs associated with such an undertaking driven by ignorance and arrogance are hard to imagine.

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By ender, September 4, 2007 at 6:28 am #
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I truly wish America had a two party system, instead of Republicans, and Republican “Lites”.  We need and opposing party that right now resends the War Powers Act, and give the President only the original authority granted by the Constitution.

We need a petition to this effect signed by a million or so Americans, and delivered to NANCY PELOSI.  I’m going to post on Wage Peace and a few other sites and see if I can get this rolling.

No one in Washington believes any of us ‘Get It’.

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By trank, September 4, 2007 at 6:20 am #
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“But we live in an age where dialogue is dismissed and empathy is suspect.  We prefer the illusion that we can dictate events through force.”

this version of America is the result of twenty years of uncontested repetition by the fascist wing of the republican party made possible when reagan killed the Fairness Doctrine and ignored by progressives because listening to and monitoring the blowhards with the microphone gave them a headache.

all over the country one unwise jerk with the biggest microphone in the state can undo the work of tens of thousands of local citizens, not to mention on the national scale.

just like with iraq, unqualified supreme court justices, the rediculous idea that bush should be allowed anywhere near a government position, and shredding of the constitution, attacks on iran will be sold and largely enabled by the uncontested repetition of GOP talking points by your local talk radio station.

tens of millions all over the country get the lies and exaggerations pounded in every day, enabling their repetition in the rest of the MSM, supporting bush’s sycophant politicians, and threatening the opposition.

limbaugh, hannity, and co ARE the flavor of America and that progressives have ignored it is the biggest political blunder in recent history.

until progressives begin waving their signs at the local talk mega station and boycotting the the sponsors of the attack-iran chickenhawks bush’s fools will still think they have the upper hand and the wind at their backs.

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By ocjim, September 4, 2007 at 6:15 am #
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One thing that Hedges does not mention is the real possibility of a Bush who is “never wrong” declaring a national emergency when Iran retaliates in Israel and in Iraq and in the Persian gulf, bringing regional war and a blockade of oil with rising oil prices. Another screwup by Bush can result in the continuation of his tyrannical leadership. Remember, he has the power. He gave it to himself and Congress helped.

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By Traveler, September 4, 2007 at 5:22 am #
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The Bush regime practises 19th century politics in the 21st century. Israel does definitely not profit from America’s policy.

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By Finntroll, September 4, 2007 at 5:11 am #
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Check out that picture. That might be the most dangerous formation I have ever seen.

We see three women with AK-47’s. Only the one in the middle has the safety on, and the woman on the right has her rifle set to full auto! :D

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By Foppe Dykstra, September 4, 2007 at 2:51 am #
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My idea is that the world may see itself as lucky if the USraeli attack on Iran remains limited to the ME.

Some 100 nuclear warheads are missing from the Ukraine since about 1990, it is asserted, as well as that Iran needed some fifteen years to crack the codes of the bombs.

Iranian nuclear warheads on Israel are quite likely to cause massive Israeli retaliation from the Israeli doomsday planes and whatever.
It of course is quite likely that then the Sovjet Federation also will retaliate.

The last item in this sequence is what Nevil Shute described in his 1963 novel On the Beach, the issue of suicide pills after a nuclear war on the northern hemisphere, to the complete New Zealand population.

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By cyrena, September 4, 2007 at 12:06 am #
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Re#98399

Attacking Iran without provocation is a war crime and illegal.  Will the military decide not to follow the illegal (and insane) order to bomb Iran?  Or will America and farmertx say we have to support the troops because they are not giving the orders?

Tim Kelley,

You’re right of course, about the military needing to simply refuse insane orders, and I’ve actually read a number of reports from scholars and the experts who have gone on the record on this before, and have in fact indicated, on paper, that they WILL refuse orders to attack Iran.

Now, this was several months ago, when I read that particular piece, but I’ll try to find it. But in the meantime, it seems like it would be helpful for some folks, (particularly those who believe for whatever reasons that it’s impossible that this administration would attack Iran) to check out Seymour Hirsch, and Ray McGovern, and Robert Parry, and several others who have been writing about these preparations to attack Iran, for at at least 2 years now.

So. this is very much a planned event, (the Iran attack) and it’s been planned for as long as the invasion of Iraq was planned. It’s just that Iraq was to be the first on the list.

But, if you listen to even a portion of the public record, or just all of the Shrubs speeches for the past 2 years, it’s been perfectly clear that they have planned a confrontation for Iran, that is a deja vu of Iraq.

So, while common sense mentality may say that this simply couldn’t happen, the reality is that it’s already planned, and it’s cheney’s baby, and it doesn’t matter about any of those common sense reasons for NOT initiating a regional catastrophe.

In other words, it’s a GIVEN, at this point, that cheney will in fact order the attack, if he hasn’t already. So, the only thing we can hope for, is the part that Farmertx says cannot happen...and that is for them to refuse those orders at the highest levels. That’s the only thing that could stop this catastrophe before it ignites the entire region. (as if it needed any more fuel to the already buring fire that is now the Middle East)

So, when we look at this excellent information that Chris has provided, about the targets and all the rest, it should assist us in accepting the reality of this, instead of suggesting such things as it won’t happen because the American people won’t allow it.

That’s pre-coup thinking, and it doesn’t apply in this administration, because they don’t care what the American people will allow or not allow. Nearly 7 years into this, we should know that by now. George would definitely do without any Congressional authorization to do war on Iran, if he didn’t think he’d get it. (That’s what they eventually did with the UNSC on Iraq. Just withdrew their request for an approval by the Council, because they knew they wouldn’t get it). So, we already know that this team doesn’t much concern themselves with that kind of stuff.

So, the moral of the story is...YES THEY WOULD...and on cheney’s orders, even if they are mouthed through a programmed Shrub.

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By hazmaq, September 3, 2007 at 10:22 pm #
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Howard, Howard. How...can you stay so blind?  Your not really, but it suits some bizarre purpose to pretend to be.
You say “..Israel wishes to be left alone. But Hamas and Hezballah wish to be proxies...?

Left alone?  Are you serious?  Where do you think most of the false intelligence on Iraq came from?  The ‘Mobile Weapons Lab’ photos came from Israel. And it was Israel who pushed for us to attack Iraq.  What the hell did Iraq ever do to the Israeli’s.
You point out that Iran isn’t on Israel’s border.  Then why is Israel the number one big mouth pushing us to attack Iran too?

Two other point you need to research.  Hamas and Hizb’allah.. .where did they come from?

They’re Israel’s stepchildren Howard.  Young people who grew up remembering the invading Israeli’s who killed their family members or bombed their homes and schools.
Here’s another bit of history for you Howard.  Lebanon was a ‘fledgling democracy’ as Condi called them.  Did you know that not long before the Lebanon and Israeli war last summer, Lebanon and Palestine won a UN dairy contract?  They won it away from Israel.
Although completely unaffiliated with Hamas and Hizb’allah, Israel bombed and destroyed both those dairies.

The hard liners of Israel and the United States are governed solely by greed and power. Not for your benefit or mine. For themselves.
And they’re perfectly willing to kill anyone who gets in their way.  Period.

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By Tom Dalzell, September 3, 2007 at 9:27 pm #
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Chris,

You’re kidding right?  You think dipolmacy solves all problems of the human race.  Your problem is that you’re incapable of believing that evil people do exist in this world and that they’ll use force to get what they want or to force their regime upon you.

You’re so screwed up that I’ll bet my last dollar that you just read the above and concluded I must be talking about the USA (as the aggressor).

Amenisty Int’l spent 10 years sending nasty letters to Saddam.  A lot of good that did, other than make the ever so noble people at AI feel good about themselves, meanwhile, about 1.5 million died due to Saddam.

Where were the world’s Liberals when Pol Pot slaughtered about 1 in 4 of his own people.  Proportionally, that would be the equivalent of killing every man, woman and child from NYC to Atlanta.  Oh, before you go there, I’ve already heard the twisted theory that it was all because Nixon gave arms to Pol Pot.  The bottom line tha Lib’s never want to talk about is that more people died in Southeast Asia AFTER the USA left.  Yep, it turns out that the Commies did exactly what we warned - they slaughtered their own people.  Yep, hippies danced while millions died.  You gave peace a chance and got nothing but death and misery.  Good going!

Chamberlain returned from meeting with Hitler and proclaimed “peace in our time”, and 50 million deaths later we did have peace; thanks largely to the overwhelming might of the USA and its allies (a quick nod to all the commies who inhabit this site - yes, I acknowledge the contribution made by Stalin’s Soviet Union - though honestly I think old Joe simply got bored slaughtering his own people and wanted to kill nazis for a change).

An lets not forget the Rape of Nanking.  Maybe your overwhelming powers of empathy and understanding would have enabled you to grasp the obvious that Imperial Japanese was a brutual, racist expansionist imperialist warmonger.  I guess you think that the perfect turn of a diplomatic phase would have stopped the slaughter. 

Dream on Liberals!  But just remember that while you’re having your wonderful daydream, millions are dying in the world’s killing fields.

I guess that’s OK with you, because, after all, you still get to feel really, really, good about yourself.  Damn, those evil American armed forces and their fascist leaders, if not for America the world would be a peaceful paradise.  WRONG.

Reagan had it right.  America is the shinning beacon on the hill.  The terrible truth that Libs have such trouble admitting is that America is the greatest force for good in the world.

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By coolrebel, September 3, 2007 at 7:54 pm #
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the very unpredictability of the aftermath of an attack on iran undermines your thesis. there is no way that the Republican party (and they’re in charge now - not Bush) will attack Iran before the 2008 election. they know full well the american people won’t buy it.

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By Max Shields, September 3, 2007 at 5:16 pm #
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#98416 by Howard on 9/03 at 4:14 pm

You should be come acquainted with the facts.

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