A.Z.:

The dancing Israeli’s are interesting, but i have 2 questions for you.

1) Can you find any evidence that they had any idea that the attack was going to happen before it did?  All the eyewitnesses claim that the attack happened, and then the Israeli’s were spotted on the top of their van.  Seems they were watching the events just like eveyone else, but not BEFORE the event.

2) is there any evidence that they were involved in the attacks?

I don’t know why they would have been smiling, or dancing in the pictures they had taken, and we will probebly never know, since as far as i know the pictures were never released.  Maybe they didn’t like us, maybe they thought the US would get fully into the war against islamic terror, who knows.  But there is no reason, other than your burning antisemitism, to think they were in any way aware of the events beforehand, or involved in any way.

The rest of your post is BS as well, there was no stand down, a plane hit the pentagon, and there were no demolitions.  Oh yeah, and no one ever said “we need a new pearl harbor.” although that is one of Cyrena’s favorites as well.  Find me that quote and i will admit i am wrong.  Bet you can’t.

More lies.

President Gerald Ford questioned President Bush’s warrantless surveillance program, according to journalist Thomas DeFrank. “I would never do it,” Ford said. “It surprises me they worry that they think they have to do it. I was dumbfounded when I heard they were. I didn’t think it was necessary. Where does he get his advice?”

Answer: Bush gets his advice from the neonazicons, from the people that signed on to PNAC, and from people like Chertoff and other warmongering gangsters that currently riddle and run the administration and the police state.

The “decider’s” all out unitary assault on The Bill of Rights has been brought to you from the same folks that pulled off 9/11.

So, I’ll say it, my best assessment: “an inside job” carried out by former espionage specialist who wired and exploded the Twin Towers and Building # 7, (a triple hi-tech demolition with only two of these buildings hit by airliners equipped with re-programmed flight computers), and while someone –with the highest level of military access- arranged for a Cruise Missile to blast into the Pentagon on a day that NORAD was place in stand-down mode, and while the military was preoccupied with thirty-four extraordinary (and diversionary) military exercises. PNAC had claimed to the world that their empire scheme needed “a new Pearl Harbor” and on 9/11 the criminal Cabal and their private contractors went into action. The gang that did this did not carry box-cutters. They didn’t need them.

The source of the Ford attribution above at:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/04/AR2007110401451.html

AND ONCE AGAIN, MY QUESTION ADDRESSED TO NIOLROTH:

niloroth,

      Tell me what you know about those dancing Israelis?

( #111003 posted by A. Z. Arrow on 11/01 at 4:18 pm )

~A. Z. Arrow
November 05, 2007

No L.Thomas,
I hate guns of all types. Don’t use them. The city I was speaking of in the much earlier post, (that had nothing to do with you, and I’m really not sure where you popped up from, but it’s ok) was not MY city. I’m not from the “north”, but I did happen to be working at ORD at the time, and it was over 20 years ago. You’re right, it had nothing to do with 9/11, and I’m sorry you were offended that I said that the KKK had come into that city on a Delta flight, from somewhere down there with that scum. Later, I did in fact say that I THOUGHT that particular flight had come from somewhere in Alabama.

Again, it had nothing to do with you, or 9/11. Your concern seems to be a result of me saying, KKK, Delta Airlines, and Scum from down there, all in the same paragraph. I apologized for ruffling your feathers.
Let me repeat. Delta Airlines flys all of the nation, and to int’l destinations, and has for as long as I’ve been in the industry. (a long time) The KKK is not as “obvious” today, as they were then, but they are still around, and I agreed that they have not been ‘limited’ to the south. There is no denying that the KKK has its roots in the south, even though they are indeed in other places, which I also acknowledged. Missouri, Oklahoma, Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia, Florida – (matter of fact, Florida actually still has an active chapter, including several youth chapters-) Louisiana, (you’re familiar with David Duke right? He’s still around) NC, SC, Arkansas.. I could go on, but I won’t. Do these sound like mostly Southern States to you? Does down there, seem Southern? I guess it all depends.

My post was actually a response to someone else, with whom I’m familiar and I was relaying my first experience at actually seeing these guys –in the flesh- dressed up in the outfits. You suggested that I didn’t know what I was talking about. I disagreed with that, because I’m actually quite familiar with this history. And, while Delta’s hub is certainly Atlanta, please explain who is actually all over the place, and where that fits. Do you not believe Atlanta to be in the South? Do you not think that the KKK has deep roots in Georgia…historically and NOW?  Again, I’m really sorry that you got so bent out of shape about it. But, it is what it is. OK?

And, I don’t know whether we agree on 9/11 or not. You never said anything about 9/11. You just appeared from out of the blue or red as an unregistered poster, and slammed into me about my comment about these KKK clowns coming from the ‘scum down there’. Yes, the KKK are scum. Yes they are largely concentrated in the south, (or were), and it’s been my own experience (this is clearly a personal opinion) that the overall mentality of MOST people in the south, (all of the states that I’ve mentioned) is less than desirable. That includes nearly everybody, whether they are KKK or not. I hope that clears it up.
Again, I’m not from the north. I’m actually from the Western part of the country, though I’ve spent a considerable amount of time in the South. I mentioned that I’d escaped, and returned home. I’m very grateful to be home, and I appreciate it SO MUCH more after spending many years…in the south.
Now, if you really DO want to ask me something about 9/11, maybe you should. You haven’t yet. You’ve done nothing more than attack me. And guess what? I don’t know you either.
So, here’s the deal. In my not so humble opinion, the southern part of this country is bad news. Yep, I know a handful of ‘decent folks’ there. Ignorant, but nice enough.  A handful. So, we don’t need to address THAT anymore. And, I’m posting from the West Coast now. Yep…it’s a long coast. I call it home. And, it’s big enough that I really have no reason to ever set foot in the south again, unless it’s to leave the country entirely, so I could plan on it being a really temporary pass-thru.

Did you want to say something about 9/11?

No L.Thomas,
I hate guns of all types. Don’t use them. The city I was speaking of in the much earlier post, (that had nothing to do with you, and I’m really not sure where you popped up from, but it’s ok) was not MY city. I’m not from the “north”, but I did happen to be working at ORD at the time, and it was over 20 years ago. You’re right, it had nothing to do with 9/11, and I’m sorry you were offended that I said that the KKK had come into that city on a Delta flight, from somewhere down there with that scum. Later, I did in fact say that I THOUGHT that particular flight had come from somewhere in Alabama.

Again, it had nothing to do with you, or 9/11. Your concern seems to be a result of me saying, KKK, Delta Airlines, and Scum from down there, all in the same paragraph. I apologized for ruffling your feathers.
Let me repeat. Delta Airlines flys all of the nation, and to int’l destinations, and has for as long as I’ve been in the industry. (a long time) The KKK is not as “obvious” today, as they were then, but they are still around, and I agreed that they have not been ‘limited’ to the south. There is no denying that the KKK has its roots in the south, even though they are indeed in other places, which I also acknowledged. Missouri, Oklahoma, Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia, Florida – (matter of fact, Florida actually still has an active chapter, including several youth chapters-) Louisiana, (you’re familiar with David Duke right? He’s still around) NC, SC, Arkansas.. I could go on, but I won’t. Do these sound like mostly Southern States to you? Does down there, seem Southern? I guess it all depends.

My post was actually a response to someone else, with whom I’m familiar and I was relaying my first experience at actually seeing these guys –in the flesh- dressed up in the outfits. You suggested that I didn’t know what I was talking about. I disagreed with that, because I’m actually quite familiar with this history. And, while Delta’s hub is certainly Atlanta, please explain who is actually all over the place, and where that fits. Do you not believe Atlanta to be in the South? Do you not think that the KKK has deep roots in Georgia…historically and NOW?  Again, I’m really sorry that you got so bent out of shape about it. But, it is what it is. OK?

And, I don’t know whether we agree on 9/11 or not. You never said anything about 9/11. You just appeared from out of the blue or red as an unregistered poster, and slammed into me about my comment about these KKK clowns coming from the ‘scum down there’. Yes, the KKK are scum. Yes they are largely concentrated in the south, (or were), and it’s been my own experience (this is clearly a personal opinion) that the overall mentality of MOST people in the south, (all of the states that I’ve mentioned) is less than desirable. That includes nearly everybody, whether they are KKK or not. I hope that clears it up.
Again, I’m not from the north. I’m actually from the Western part of the country, though I’ve spent a considerable amount of time in the South. I mentioned that I’d escaped, and returned home. I’m very grateful to be home, and I appreciate it SO MUCH more after spending many years…in the south.
Now, if you really DO want to ask me something about 9/11, maybe you should. You haven’t yet. You’ve done nothing more than attack me. And guess what? I don’t know you either.
So, here’s the deal. In my less than humble opinion, the southern part of this country is bad news. Yep, I know a handful of ‘decent folks’ there. Ignorant, but nice enough.  A handful. So, we don’t need to address THAT anymore. And, I’m posting from the West Coast now. Yep…it’s a long coast. I call it home. And, it’s big enough that I really have no reason to ever set foot in the south again, unless it’s to leave the country entirely, so I could plan on it being a really temporary pass-thru.

Did you want to say something about 9/11?

Cyrena, don’t let Numb Rod (ooops, I mean Nimrod) bring you any consternation. I have no intention of reading any of the claptrap he offered. I have read a great deal of what these trolls post as he (it?)has done. It is always just more bullshit on top of bullshit and it would take you hours just to glean through it all and refute it. 

I mean, it’s like when a troll asserts, “Okay, here’s why every govt lie is the absolute truth: all the proven facts of the physical sciences and mathematics are plainly wrong and a concept of miraculous intervention (and little green men from Mars) overrules reason.”

Well, what can you do, refute that statement by proving that all the demonstrated facts of the physical sciences and mathematics are correct?  Good luck, it will take the rest of your life just to scratch the surface.

This is the main ploy of these creeps. They hand you a statement like, “In order to prove the govt is lying, you must demonstrate that the entirety of the Bible is true.”

What does the Bible have to do with it? Nothing. It is simply thrown in to distract.

In order for you to refute the incredible “tweaking” of science that has been committed by NIST or NTSB or any of the other government agencies that take their orders directly from the president (Zionist Israel), you are required to demonstrate that the laws governing the conservation of energy and the conservation of angular momentum, for example, are true, because govt hacks say they are false. And then they write 1400 page treatises on how they are false. In order for you to refute the claims you would have to wade through the whole 1400 pages. Do you have that much time left in life?

One thing the govt is good with is attrition. Govt attrition is almost as absolute as the concept of universal entropy. Gubby conquers all through attrition, and this is what the whole 1400 pages of nonesense “debunking” actual science is about. You can’t beat them at their own game. You have to set the forces of attrition aside and continue going directly to the heart of the matter. You can use the 1400 (or one million) pages of govt’s fake scientific debunking of real 911 actual science in your fireplace and at least warm your hands.

The main thing is, don’t let their lies take root and grow or you may find yourself looking out the window of a tall building one day to see a 757 crashing into the floor you are standing on.

Once we get a new president, congress and senate and break up the media monopolies, hopefully then will a thorough independent investigation be conducted.

Re #111625 by niloroth &
#111620 by niloroth

Nillie, even as bereft as they are in the cogitation sciences (sort of like yourself) why don’t you just continue using the Popular Mechanics staff for your 911 “science” and leave the folks over at NTSB in the rabbit hole concocting their own “special
sciences” regarding 911? Irrespective that PM quivers at the concept of the Zionist masters it is serving and slavishly does as ordered, at least the PM staff don’t pee on themselves like NTSB when they hear Cheney/Bush let a loud fart.

PM is owned, yes, but the folks at NTSB are part and parcel, if you can catch that drift. (Ha, ha, ha, as if you could catch anything, even a cold.)

But hell, let’s face it, none of you are exactly as fleet of foot as the gazelle or springbok, are you? More like water buffalo (in water), or elephants heading to the graveyard. Don’t get me wrong here, Nillie, I don’t expect any of you badge toters combing the Internet (trying to “debunk” the truth of 911) to be as swift in the cranial
thingamajiggy as I am. I don’t hold myself as your standard. It would be like holding a PhD as a standard for a dog. After all, somebody has to do your job. If nobody did it, the truth might out so fast that even the folks at NTSB wouldn’t have time to tweak any science and reality out of the facts of 911. The truth might just overwhelm everybody, even the staunchest liars among you.

Coke is actually an upper, you know. I’m sure you already know this, though, as you are probably a former DEA agent turned junky (over half the DEA are junkies and DEA sells the best—and most—dope in America), was rescued by the gubby troll dept, and traded your DEA white hat for the white hat Internet trolls wear. I would advise you to stay away from all drugs, though.

Hey, here’s a unique phrase I just coined, “Say no to the snow.” (You may use it if you’d like.)

Yes, disgustingly, I am not only a writer/thinker of some moment (and 500+ other professions in which I excel at the very pinnacle of all classes from the lowest kind of laborer up through the professional building trades, to and including blue collar and white—none have been closed to me; I do it all with professional facility—name it, I do it well), but I am a poet and know it.

What are you, Nillie Bly? At what do you excel? Can I say you are a persistent troll? Persistence in folly is not much.

Hey, I’ve got another idea! Why not start at the bottom of intelligence, where you obviously are now, then move up to a small mean spot in the world, like skid row NYC? Learn all about that. Then reach beyond and begin working your way up through all the “onion layers” of truth and reality that separate us as a gulf between yourself and me (that is as wide as the whole Milky Way Galaxy), even if it takes you ten thousand lifetimes, and then present yourself at my feet maybe in a million years so that I may look down upon you and consider whether you have finally made yourself as smart as my dog?

Ha, ha, ha. Do I know metaphor, Nillie, or do I know metaphor? It may only take you a thousand years to “get it” if you try real hard.  Maybe if you pass my words down through your generations, like a prized family heirloom, somebody may “pop out” one day (in one or two thousand years after a lot of intense evolving) that is smart enough to comprehend the whole metaphor. Believe me, it would be worth the effort of you and all your successors.

BTW, I don’t care whether a “large” number of readers see what I write, as I am not in the same business you are: which is trying to convince as many people as you can that govt lies re 911 are the real deal. I’m just lying around taking it easy, waiting for the truth to do its work, which it will in time. Your bosses might get real pissed if they find out you are wasting your valuable time and your hundred thou salary (poor taxpayers) on a comment section that should be defunct by now.

Okay, so first off, flight numbers:

Here, go read this:
http://www.ntsb.gov/info/Flight_ Path_ Study_AA77.pdf

that is a PDF file, and it if from… THE NTSB, you know the group you said should have investigated the flight info, and who you said you would trust?  My guess, you will back off that one and claim they are lying as well.  Just a guess there.

Black boxes:
The ones at WTC 1&2;were never found, and please don’t quote Mike Bellone, he is a liar and was never a fireman, and there is no proof he was even there that i have found.

Flight 93:

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB196/doc04.pdf

Yep, NTSB again.

Flight 77:

http://www.911myths.com/AAL77_fdr.pdf

NTSB yet again.

So, um, any more evidence you want me to provide, from sources you trust, about things you don’t even think happened?  If so, do it in a current thread, i don’t mind destroying you folks with evidence and facts, but lets at least do it where everyone else can see it, i hate having to explain the same things to more than 1 person.

Frank:

It wasn’t coke, it was meth, helps us stay up debunking.  And never let them put you back on the meds big guy.

You’re certainly right about desperation, Cyrena. Govt trolls really don’t have anything to work with here.

Unless you can consider the following to be “something to work with:”

“Okay trolls, listen up,” says the instructor to the group of pathological liars the govt hired to cover up the truth of 911 via trolling Internet blogs and chatrooms, “because there is not a shred of truth that we can work with in our wild postulations about 9-11, here is how you should deal with somebody that plainly demonstrates how full of shit we are: simply come back with, ‘My gawd, it happened by miracle! It was a one-of-a-kind freak of nature.’”

“But,” sputters the intrepid niliroth, “what if they get real tough and ask how so many miracles happened on that one day and none other in history?”

Instructor replies, “Just give in a little bit and tell your adversary something like this: ‘Okay, okay, it does seem odd that 300-400 such miracles and freaks of nature inexplicably clustered together on that one day. And it’s hard even for me to believe it happened, because it seems like only a fool could believe it, BUT IT COULD HAPPEN, YOU KNOW!’ Then get wild-eyed and commence hollering. It will deflect attention from the truth.’”

After a break for coke (of which long lines are snorted through soda straws by all the liars present,) orientation/briefing class resumes.

“Here is the crowning cap,” says the instructor to the Internet trolls, “Immediately change the subject when you are overwhelmed with sheer truth about 911 and call your questioner dirty names. Get him defensive. Hurt his feelings. Call his mother something ugly. This will get him to arguing with you about trifling personal matters and deflect attention from 911 truths.”

“But, but,” again sputters niliroth-in-training, “What if somebody is so smart that we can’t even cover up the treason by claiming hundreds of miracles and freaks of nature, we can’t hurt his feelings, he doesn’t even care about his mother, and we are still proven undeniably to be full of shit about 911?”

Instructor again, “You poor stupid troll. Hell, just make something up. Anything. Tell the rubes that little green men from mars must have created the miracles just to baffle humans. Everybody believes in UFO’s, don’t they? The whole idea is to say SOMETHING even if it is not germane, even if it is patently wrong. Just babble! As long as it is on behalf of the 911 cover-up, then you have done your jobs just by acting as sheer cannon fodder in Cheney’s guns, and the hundred thou a year salary we are paying each of you will have been well earned.”

Niliroth, this is me again, FTF, on earth, not where you received your instruction/briefing. Tell the truth: your gubby orientation/training/briefing went something like the above, didn’t it?

This whole affair surrounding the missing nuclear warheads smacks of an undercover op.

This subject deserves its own report on Truthdig.

#111080 by niloroth

OK Nimrod,

I read it, and yep..you’re right. It was an easy read for me. Not only that, but it was yet another reminder of how desperately folks are still trying to cover up any bit of truth that seeps out.

I’m not sure it has relevance to the earlier debate though, since this references AA flt 77. Nobody have ever claimed, (at least in these conversations, and the one that I was specifically responding to) that the airphones on flt 77 were used to communicate with the ground. We heard about the alleged boxcutters and from the wife of the DOJ Solicitor General (whose name escapes me now) and it was allegedly by CELL phone. (she was allegedly on AA flt 77) But, nobody ever claimed she was speaking on an airphone, but rather a cell phone.

So, that’s why is doesn’t matter a whit, whether there were airphones on that flight or not. And, you should also be aware that these kinds of things are not done via any ‘ECO”. When air carriers make changes to their configurations (for any reason) they don’t do them all at one time. (unless you’re talking about a major grounding of one particular type of aircraft until they can all be checked out, and I don’t remember anything like that since the DC-10 lost that engine in Chicago, which was late ’79 or early 80.

Otherwise, for something like this, (if indeed it did happen, where the carrier decided to remove airfones that had once been installed) they would just do them as the aircraft were routed through the scheduled maintenance. There wouldn’t be any order, and any such paperwork should have been IMMEDIATELY available from the airline, and in triplicate. I mean seriously. All of THIS to find out whether or not the thing was equipped with airfones or not? Nope. Sorry.

Now, what WOULD be interesting information, would be the actual ship number that allegedly crashed into the Pentagon. Since I’m firmly convinced that the airplane never crashed there anyway, I’d like to know if that ship number has shown up anywhere else. In other words, I still wanna know what happened to that airplane and it’s passengers and crew, because I know it didn’t crash at the Pentagon.

But, that’s irrelevant to the discussion about phone conversations from that particular flight, because they claim that the information came from the woman on her cell phone, (at least two lengthy conversations with her husband) and records have since shown only one call, that lasted 0 minutes, because at the time, (I don’t know about now) cell phones were useless in flight.

I should also mention that not ALL 757’s were EVER equipped with air fones. Just depended on the particular aircraft. The organization that provided for that service (connected with GTE) was highly unreliable, so the chances of making a phone call from the air back in those days was really ‘iffy’. Like, they didn’t go through more often than they did, and it was NEVER quick. EVER. It took a minimum of 5 minutes, (but usually longer) to actually make a call with those things, which is probably why they took them off.

However, at the end of the day, if in fact there had been an airfone on ANY of those aircraft. And if in fact they had been USED by any of the passengers, there would be a record. So, if you can find a record of such a call or two or three, that would be interesting.

Because, -FOR WHATEVER THE REASONS- (take your pick) absolutely NONE of the standard stuff that should have been available for the record, (including the black boxes) ever materialized. Wait, there was one airplane where they did claim to have salvaged one of the black boxes. Can’t remember which one now. Yep, when the NTSB was finally allowed to take a look, (way after the fact) they were pretty surprised when none of them turned up.

Still, thanks for this. It’s a reminder of just how desperate folks are.

See if you can find me the ship numbers for all of those flights. Then we’ll know you’re really all the the government is paying you to be.

#111329 by L. Thomas

Sorry to ruffle your feathers L.Thomas, but in all sincerity, there’s very little you can tell me about the south, or the midwest, or the east, or the west. I’m more than well aware of the KKK establishment as it exists now, and I was talking about an incident which occurred very, very, very long ago. I said it was a Delta flight, and they aren’t restricted to the South, if that’s what you’re suggesting, nor did I say they were from the South, though I think at the time, (and it was 1980) they were in fact from Alabama.

Apparently I’m much older than you, and my memory is good. These fellows have done serious damage, and there’s no way of getting around that. The paternal side of my family is from the South. So, you’ll just have to take my word for it.

It would be wrong to say that I have any of these types living RIGHT next door to me now, but there’s no doubt in my mind that they’re around. They just don’t wear the outfits any more. That doesn’t mean they aren’t still everywhere.

So, don’t get yourself all in a huff. I’ve escaped the south, and I won’t be back if I can help it. I’ve yet to find anything much good about it, even without an active KKK. But, the same would apply to Missouri, and Oklahoma, and anywhere else that red necks and republicans hang out.

#111281 by Peter RV

Hi Peter,

Good points on that article. Somehow, I suspect that it really WASN’T meant to be discovered later. They hadn’t planned on this woman getting cancer. And, there were far too many people involved for it not to eventually happen, because stuff like that does.

Still, I agree that the names would help, but I’ve also figured out that isn’t likely to happen, all things considered.

I say that because experience has taught me just exactly how vicious these people are. And, reading a lot of history has given me excellent examples of it.

So, while I hadn’t put a whole lot of stock in the Mossad connection before, (and, I really hadn’t, because I was always too busy when I was working, to keep up with anything but the basics.) And, I’d probably still be as fooled as anyone else about 9-11, if it weren’t for all of those years in commercial aviation.

The rest of the knowledge has come slowly. But, don’t forget about ‘Deep Throat” and the Pentagon Papers”. Look how long those identities remained secret.

Franker, I love your last post to Nimrod.

Nimrod, I may actually read this thing you’ve posted, just for the sake of debunking it. I’ll let you know. Depends on if there’s anything else more interesting.

BTW, I neglected to instruct you on an important matter, Nillie. Theories are hypothecations that “stand in” for truth and reality when truth and reality are otherwise unobtainable. Thus, theories may be right or wrong. But truth and reality are never wrong.

And so, contrary to your assertion that I have a “theory” about 911, I don’t have any theories about 911 at all. All I have are hard knowledge and facts based upon even harder truth and reality.

However, you are not even fortunate enough to have any theories, including bad ones, about anything,  are you? All you have are your govt orders and a bunch of wacky flapdoodlings drearily typical of bureaucratic government boondoggling and meddling in affairs not its own (as murdering and sedition are not the affairs of government bureaucrats unless these have been committed by other criminals than itself, right?)

One thing you can live for Nillie, when you die your epitaph can say, “Here lies Willie Nillie, an inferior creature that meddled and boondoggled his life away and did no soul, even himself, any service or good whatsoever.” If you’d like, you may use what I have penned here as though you penned it yourself and put it in your will that you would like it on your headstone when you die. I won’t consider it plagiarism.

But you can be proud while you are alive that you served liars and deceived as many as you could regarding scurrilous, seditious crimes that happened on 9-11. My dog has a better life than the likes of you. And she has sense enough to sit obediently at my feet, which means she is smarter than you are.

Re: #111080 by niloroth

Give it up, Willie Nillie, your cover is blown. Your “work” is not so secret after all.

Would you like me to tell you how we all know you are a gubby gub? Ha. If I gave it away then you’d know.

Okay, I’ll tell you. Your naked ass is hanging out and everybody can see the imprint on it where you keep your badge in your hip pocket.

If you want to be a good undercover troll for gubby gub you need to hide your butt, because naked government butts are distinct from all others. Because of it your butt stinks in a special way. That’s how it’s different. Anybody that can’t tell a naked government butt from normal, natural ones, just by “smell,” needs to take lessons, because it is a survival trait, as gubby gub is here to kill and destroy, aren’t you? Not to mention to rape, rob, torture, intimidate, terrorize, and generally ruin, just to name a few of the choice ones.

911 was a good example. If the 3,000+ innocent souls that were murdered by gubby on 911 knew naked gubby butts from normal, natural ones, they might still be breathing air today.

A word of wisdom for you Nillie Poo: when you stray into the domain of a higher intelligence such as myself, you need to, 1) observe and try to learn; 2) be as respectful as you are able, as we like respectful inferiors; 3) don’t try to teach, try to learn; 4) abandon your stupidity, even though you are under orders, and do your best to present yourself as one worthy of kneeling to a real Superior Being as opposed to those fake ones in the govt that you bow down to presently (and are employed by.)

The teacher is out now.

Damn, you folks still have not given up on the airphone issue? 
http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2007/09/aa-77-airfones-final-story.html
Cyrena, you claim to know planes, this should be an easy read for you.

And frank, the lizard people reference was to the works of David Icke, who claimed among other things, that lizard people were taking over the world, and we actually in the guise of such people as queen elizabeth the 2nd and Kris Kristofferson. 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke

That is actually only marginally less believable then your 9/11 theories.

Hi All,

And Franker, thanks for these two most recent contributions. I especially appreciate the one on the cell phone communications, (which I had noted from your previous posts as being impossible) but what this did for me, was to highlight where the box cutter myth had originated. As with any myths or what are sometimes called ‘urban legends’ or in the past, ‘old wives tales’ there are always these various and sundry details that become enmeshed in any conspiracy, (the government story being the first of the conspiracies on 9/11) and the public hears, reads, or sees this stuff in print, of course without tracing it back to it’s original source, which is how the lies become part of the story.

This is an excellent example, since I had lost track of where the ‘box-cutter’ detail supposedly came from, though it obviously had to come from a passenger on board one of the flights. Didn’t somebody say something about ‘mace’ as well? Who allegedly had the mace? So, now we know that the ‘box-cutter’ tale came from the wife of the former DOJ Solicitor General, and we also know (from this post and previous ones) that the cell phone technology wouldn’t have allowed for that to transpire, and we also know (now) that the inflight phone service was not installed on this aircraft. THAT is something about which I myself had been unsure, because in actuality, this in-flight phone service HAS been available on multiple aircraft in the past. If memory serves me, (and I don’t really have time to check it as thoroughly as I should now) the service was handle by GTE, and I can’t remember the name of the sort of ‘central provider”. (I could look up some old credit card records I suppose, because I have in fact utilized the service myself in the past).

BUT, it’s been over 12 years, and it was long before either of these airlines introduced the 757 series to their fleets. I don’t remember that inflight service, (the name airfone comes to mind) being available on any of the 757’s that were later incorporated into the commercial market. And, that may be immaterial, since the people have already testified under oath, in a federal court, that these were CELL phone communications, which you have already explained could not have occurred. At the time, (the summer of 2001) I do know that my own cell phone was simply inoperative on board any aircraft.  I couldn’t use it. It didn’t work. Period, dot, the end of that. So, any information that allegedly came from passenger cell phone conversation is…BUNK. That would include the box-cutter story.

Now that we’ve resolved that, there are the alleged conversations that took place between a flight attendant, (Ms. Ong) and a supervisor or other individual at the Miami flight service center on board AA flt 11. (the flight that we’ve been told crashed into the North Tower). This too, is difficult to fathom, because it was allegedly made from the on board phone in the rear galley, and while there are telephones located in those areas of these aircraft, they have never ‘connected’ to anything other than the cockpit or other phones…on the aircraft. In other words, these phones are an internal system only, that allow the crew to communicate with each other, (as well as the passengers) on board the flights. They do not ‘connect’ to the ground. ANY air to ground communication could ONLY be accomplished via a central communications center, and as a general rule, simply doesn’t happen. Communications from the ground to the aircraft are sent via the on-board computers, which print the messages out. (no actual ‘conversation). The aircraft can only communicate via voice, with air traffic control centers, and only from the cockpit. Obviously then, that leaves in doubt any conversation the F/A could have had with MIA ground operations.

Thanks for the update and the ‘prompt’ for my own reminders. This tells us that we know NOTHING of what occurred on any of those aircraft, AT LEAST NOT via any VOICE communications.

November 1, 2007

Incompetence or Cover-Up?
The Air Force Report on the Minot-Barksdale Nuclear Missile Flight

By DAVE LINDORFF

  “It makes the hair stand up on the back of my neck.”

Pentagon official
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We need honest answers to some hard questions. Among them:

  * Who disabled the alarm systems on those weapons and on the bunker itself?

  * Who mounted six nuclear weapons on the noses of six cruise missiles and put those missiles onto a B-52 launch platform?

  * Who authorized them to perform this operation?

  * Who moved the armed weapons out of the Bunker at Minot AFB and mounted them on the wing of a B-52 bound for Barksdale AFB? (Barksdale, it should be noted, bills itself as the main staging base for B-52s being flown to the Middle East Theater.)

  * Were the six missiles flyable? Were they fueled up and ready to fire, or were they not fueled at the time of the Minot-Barksdale flight?

  * Was there targeting information in the missile’s guidance computers and if so, what were those targets?

  * What happened to the three military whistleblowers who blew the whistle on this incident and reported it to a journalist at the newspaper Military Times?

  * Why hasn’t the Air Force or the FBI investigated the 6-8 untimely deaths including three alleged suicides, one of a Minot weapons guard, one of an assistant defense secretary, and one of a captain in the super-secret Air Force Special Commando Group, as well as alleged fatal vehicle “accidents” involving four ground crew and B-52 pilots and crewmembers at Minot and Barksdale? Could any of this strange cluster of deaths have been related to the incident? The Air Force “investigation” didn’t even mention these incidents, and my investigation, reported in the Oct. 24 issue of the magazine American Conservative, found that none of the police investigators or medical examiners in those incidents had even been contacted by Air Force or other federal investigators.

  The Secretary of Defense appears to have been upset about this incident. Secretary Robert Gates ordered an unprecedented stand-down of all air bases in mid-September to check out and account for the entire nuclear inventory, and a general was dispatched immediately to Minot after the discovery of the wayward nukes on August 30 to investigate what had happened. Following a subsequent Air Force investigation, 70 people at Minot and Barksdale AFBs were removed from their posts and decertified from handling nuclear weapons, including five officers, one of them the Minot base commander.

  * But a base commander does not have the authority to order nuclear weapons to be loaded on a plane and flown. So who issued that order and why has no one at a senior level in Washington been sacked?

There is speculation that the order may have come via an alternate chain of command.

Vice President Dick Cheney is known to be pressing within the administration for a war with Iran, to be launched before the end President Bush’s second term of office. According to some reports, Cheney has even, on his own authority (or lack thereof), urged Israel to attack Iran’s nuclear facilities, in hopes that Iran might retaliate, thus drawing the US into a war.

Could the nation’s war-mongering VP have used his neo-con contacts in the Defense Department or some of the Armageddon-believers in the Air Force to bypass the official chain of command and spring those nukes from their bunker?

http://www.counterpunch.org/lindorff11012007.html

Folks, below is a Devvy Kidd article that references a Michael Griffen article that references the FBI disclosure at the Mossouia “terrorist” trial in which two of the alleged phone calls from flight 77, as claimed by the government (that held the world spellbound for a while), never occurred.

Also, according to the airlines that owned flt. 77, at the time the aircraft was hijacked, there were no on-board telephones on 757’s for passenger use, so nobody could have made calls from such telephones at the time. It would have been cell phone calls or none.

Well, since the FBI discloses, in federal court, under oath, that two of the most important of the alleged cell phone calls NEVER occurred, what about the other alleged in-flight cell phone calls? The two phone calls that the FBI says never occurred were supposedly between the former DOJ Solicitor General and his wife, the wife of which was aboard flight 77 while the former solicitor was on the ground. The former DOJ SJ has long claimed that his wife called him from aboard hijacked flt. 77 and carried on long cell phone conversations on two separate occasions, in which the wife allegedly described Arab hijackers with box cutters. However, the FBI says phone records (heretofore held as top secret evidence) revealed in a court of law that there was only one cell phone call made from said wife and that it lasted “0” seconds.

As I pointed out in earlier posts, at the state of cell phone art in 2001, passenger aircraft flew so fast that cell phone conversations were effectively impossible to make. A cell phone call may connect to one terminal, but was instantaneously out of range of that terminal and searching for the next. Which explains why the random connection above lasted only “0” seconds.

So either the former DOJ SJ is lying or the phone call he received was faked.

And so, what will come of this? Will any prosecutor anywhere say, “Damn, somebody lied and somebody else died.”

Well, no prosecutor has said it yet.

See:
http://www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd319.htm

P.S. Hey Willie Nillie/ITZW/MS, is the FBI lying about these non-existent cell phone calls that the govt claimed, at the time they allegedly happened, came from flt. 77? Would you three jokers mind explaining this anomaly?

Cyrena, I have no problem with the facts disclosed in the TBRNews.com article, as this is pretty much (with very few exceptions) a narrative of just about everything I am aware of in which the whole 911 thing came down. All the main players are there and the narrative of circumstances pretty much covers that angle.

The only prob I have with it is the wisdom of any of the guilty parties writing such a “confession” and labeling it “analysis of events.”

For sure the criminals involved were/are not very bright about constructing an escape platform (getaway car) for themselves and a plausible story to cover their tracks. Being “gods of government” they may not have figured they needed either. After all, police can do just about any damned thing they want and get away with it. It takes mountains of contrary witnesses and hard evidence for any jury in the land to reject any policeman’s crudest, obviously concocted fairy tale/lies against a suspect. Cops can say or do just about anything they please in front of a typical jury and said jury will steadfastly lap it all up no matter how ridiculous it is, then convict an innocent man and send him to the gas chamber.

And so, given the reality of it all, it is not incredible that the govt perps figured they didn’t need to “get away” or concoct a plausible, reasonable story to back themselves up. The perps probably just figured, “what the hell, everybody will accept and believe whatever they are told, as they always do.”

This time was different, however. And that
“difference” continues to grow day by day and by leaps and bounds. Every day more people come to themselves re 911. Eventually there may be as many as 95% that refuse to believe govt fairy tales about it.

But back to my problem with Israelis writing the TBRN “analysis.” Maybe they did and maybe they didn’t write it, but I think probably the latter, as the article just shows them in too bad a light, and we know that no Jew, except for the very fewest, like maybe only ten in the entire world, would show Jews in a bad light. Organized Jewry is as manic about showing themselves in the best light as this govt is. When is the last time you heard the U.S. govt say, “We goofed.” I’ve really never heard it in my 67+ years. Same with the Jews, especially Zionist criminals.

Then again, a Jewish perp may have written it just to say, “Fuck you Goyim. What can you do about it?”

Nothing takes away from the truth of the article itself and the Jewish perps could have written it. It’s all right there. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

I want to thank you for amplifying the article, Cyrena. I think it is as important as you believe it is.

niloroth,

tell me what you know about those dancing Israeli?

But first, check out these two reports:

“Stranger Than Fiction, an Independent Investigation of the Dancing Israelis”

You want to return to the scene of the dancing Israeli on 9/11. Ha’aretz (Israel) “Two Israelis wanted in US After Traces od Explosives Found in their . . .
http://www.rense.com/general31/thr.htm

“Mossad and Moving Companies -Masterminds of Global Terrorism?”

Cloudcroft, New Mexico Police Stops Israelis with suspicious cargo . . .  Ha’aretz [10/3/02] and the US has denied knowing about Mohammed Atta before . . .
http://www.rense.com/general38/cldou.htm

?????????????????

~A. Z. Arrow
November 01, 2007

niloroth,

Tell me what you know about those dancing Israelis?

But first, check out these two reports:

Rense.com “Stranger Than Fiction An Independent Investigation of ...”
You want to return to the scene of the dancing Israelis on 9-11. ...... Ha’aretz. (Israel) 2 Israelis wanted in US After Traces of Explosives Found in Their ...
http://www.rense.com/general31/thr.htm
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“Mossad And Moving Companies - Masterminds Of Global Terrorism?”
Cloudcroft, New Mexico Police Chief Stops Israelis With Suspicious Cargo ..... [Haaretz, 10/3/02] and the US has denied knowing about Mohammed Atta before ...
http://www.rense.com/general38/cldou.htm
- 55k -

???????

~A. Z. Arrow
November 01, 2007

niloroth (# 110730) name calling doesn’t cut it.

Follow the money and get the facts and let reality guide you to the truth of 9/11 —if that, indeed, is what you seek, instead of diversion, camouflage, smoke-screen, and cover on behalf of demolitionist.

In my next email I will post information directly connected to the objection you raise, to your “deep concern” with 9/11.

And through connected in time and Empire via the Bush gang’s aggenda and the neonazicon’s terrorism, I will first start with a recent story:

More “accidental” deaths connected to Minot incident of Nuke movements:

“Citizens for Legitimate Government has pointed towards the involvement of the U.S. Air Force in a cover-up and has linked several deaths of U.S. servicemen to the incident. Lori Price has also stated for Citizens for a Legitimate Government that “you need about fourteen signatures to get an armed nuke on a B-52.” . . .

“According to a wide range of reports, several nuclear bombs were “lost” for 36 hours after taking off August 29/30, 2007 on a “cross-country journey” across the U.S., from U.S.A.F Base Minot in North Dakota to U.S.A.F. Base Barksdale in Louisiana. [1] Reportedly, in total there were six W80-1 nuclear warheads armed on AGM-129 Advanced Cruise Missiles (ACMs) that were “lost.” [2] The story was first reported by the Military Times, after military servicemen leaked the story.”

“It is also worth noting that on August 27, 2007, just days before the “lost” nukes incident, three B-52 Bombers were performing special missions under the direct authorization of General Moseley, the Chief of Staff of the U.S. Air Force. [3] The exercise was reported as being an aerial information and image gathering mission. The base at Minot is also home of the 91st Space Wings, a unit under the command of Air Force Space Command (AFSPC).” . . .

1. Why, and for what ostensible purpose, were these nuclear weapons taken to Barksdale? 
2. How long was it before the error was discovered? 
3. How many mistakes and errors were made, and how many needed to be made, for this to happen? 
4. How many and which security protocols were overlooked? 
5. How many and which safety procedures were bypassed or ignored? 
6. How many other nuclear command and control non-observations of procedure have there been? 
7. What is Congress going to do to better oversee U.S. nuclear command and control?
8. How does this incident relate to concern for reliability of control over nuclear weapons and nuclear materials in Russia, Pakistan and elsewhere? 
9. Does the Bush administration, as some news reports suggest, have plans to attack Iran with nuclear weapons?

. . . “According to the Pravda report, the incident was linked to an operation to smuggle nuclear weapons away from the U.S. military in connection to launching a war against Iran.

“The Commonwealth Research Institute (CRI), a registered non-profit organization is a subsidiary of Concurrent Technologies, which is registered with the IRS as a tax-exempt charity, which is run by Daniel Richard DeVos. Devos is also an associate of John P. Murtha, who was investigated by the F.B.I. for his Saudi links.

“Certainly the ties of the Commonwealth Research Institute (CRI), a non-profit organization working for the Pentagon, are questionable and the organization could be a front for internal operations that bypass most military personnel. The case appears to be part of an internal operation that was being kept a secret from most of the U.S. military, but what for?”

details at:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7158

~A. Z. Arrow
November 1, 2007

Last but not least, Cyrena, then adieu; I surely can’t imagine you with a klan hood over your head and wearing a bedsheet, unless you did it for a costume ball or a gag.

But you must remember, special agents like Nimrod can imagine anything he is ordered by superiors to imagine. Example, check out what he has had to imagine for 911. Even imagining you as belonging to the KKK would not be as difficult as the 911 fallacies his masters have him spreading around the Internet. I’ll bet he tells that “folded wing” trick with a straight face. And “little green men from Mars” that used their wonderful powers to discombobulate the most professional military in the history of the world so that they were totally ineffective. And deadpanning that a clustering of bonafide miracles, hundreds of them, must have happened on day 911 in a clustering that itself was miraculous. It could only have been Jesus returned, as nobody else has ever been claimed to possess such powers (except God.)

Hey, that’s a good idea.

Nillie, you govt folks need to use God in a different way than you are doing in such a limited way right now. Instead of using God only to enthrall far right religious nuts to get your people elected (and, of course, to tell George Bush to invade Iraq), why not say that God committed all the acts of 911? Nobody could deny that they were all acts of God. It’s better than miracles. Just say God did it, then refer skeptics to The Bible. You wouldn’t even have to explain such delicate matters as the “folding wing trick.” Just say God did it and hold The Bible up to prove it. You could tap the front of the book convincingly with finger while developing a stern look on your face. It would be better than all those little green men from Mars.

Next thing Nillie/govt agents will be alleging is that Hitler came to life again and masterminded 911, in conspiratorial conjunction with the 19 Arab miracle workers and their miraculous box cutters.

Everybody knows what a miracle worker Hitler was, right? He somehow gassed six million Jews when there were not even one million available to him and he did it in ovens that did not exist at the time. Thus, he could have easily masterminded 911. Only prob would be: how did Hitler come back to life? No prob really, Nillie would just tell that he was resurrected by the same little green men from Mars that worked the other miracles. When one is using miracles to explain events it is easy enough just to keep saying, “Don’t ask how it happened, it was simply miraculous.”

Re: 110882 Franker than Frank

Cyrena, one other thing about selling wacky government conspiracy theories about 911: I predict that one day, when the Zionist Jewish agenda no longer controls the folks over at Popular Mechanics, PM will be deeply ashamed of its totally whacked out theory that a 757 simply “folded its wings snugly to its sides” so that it could enter a reinforced Pentagon building and leave a hole like a missile, leaving not a trace of the wings outside the building.

I do wonder why PM didn’t also posit that the craft somehow spewed grease along the wings just before it crashed in order to help them slide inside the hold easier.

(An aside: I think there is something Freudian going on here, but I can’t quite put my finger on it. My mind keeps going to trains entering tunnels. Can you help here, Nillie?)

I had respect for PM at one time, even read some of their work and saved some issues that I will throw away now. I’ll never read that rag again. I hope PM folds up like it claimed the wings of the 757 did, and simply disappear from the publishing scene altogether, miming the disappearance of the 757.

Willie Nillie (Cyrena’s Nimrod) requires “proof” of every assertion that is made by honest people interested only in the truth of 911, but I wonder why he requires no proof of Popular Mechanics outrageously wacky assertions, as above, before he snatches their claims up and purveys them on an innocent public like a crack head selling dope to school kids?

Hey, Willie Nillie, would you mind explaining the precise mechanics of how PM’s wacky theory is correct? Do you have any proofs how it could have happened? Bear in mind that it was the first and only time in the history of aviation that it would have occurred.

I know, I know. You will assert that it was just one of those many miraculous events that happened on 911, right?

Do you suppose little green men from Mars helped fold those wings? To me, this would be far more plausible than the govt heretofore has alleged: that at least 250 bonafide miracles happened that day. Speaking of which, I have an idea. I wonder if the Pope could make a saint out of all those people that all these miracles happened to?

I have seen nothing from govt conspiracy theorists (yourself included) except a litany of preposterous assertions as to how laws of mathematics, physics and probability were set aside on day 911 for the first and only time in the history of the world, of miracles and “little green men from mars” employing wonderful powers to accomplish events, such as an Arab plot of 19 hijackers that could have somehow caused NORAD to stand down. And such things as heat from high grade kerosine great enough to vaporize 65 tons of steel and aluminum aircraft, in which there would only be about a gallon of kerosine per several pounds of metal, but said heat not great enough to vaporize the DNA of the aircraft’s passengers, such as at the Pentagon. If you, special agent Willie Nillie, and/or your government cronies/criminals/accomplices/seditionists/Zionist Israelis, would only clean up some of this rubbish and make it even sloppily plausible even in a left-handed manner, I promise I would buy some of your fried ice cream. I might even let you throw the Brooklyn Bridge in if you don’t ask too much money.

Re: #110835 by cyrena

I will read the TBR article by and by. Thanks for referring it again. I missed it earlier somehow.

As for Willie Nillie Nimrod KKK, I don’t suppose the name really matters, as it is anonymous anyway.

But I have wondered if an agent like him(/them) realizes the potential of having the job of bamboozling people by purveying wacky govt conspiracy theories of 911 like a sleazy heroin pusher selling dope to school kids. If said agent were not so abysmally lacking in imagination he could see that anybody who would buy govt conspiracy theories on 911 would also buy fried ice cream, the Brooklyn Bridge, or droppings from little green space men.

Thus, when said agent closes a sale on one of the wacky govt conspiracy tales about 911, he could just as easily follow up by asking if the victim would also like to buy the Brooklyn Bridge or some fried ice cream. He could tell the victim, “Give me your money and then wait right here while I go and get your title to the Brooklyn Bridge that I keep in a safe in my office.” Or, if the dodge is fried ice cream, “Give me your money and I promise I’ll send your fried ice cream via UPS.”

Ha, ha, ha. And what about agents that push Popular Mechanics staff writers as proof that a 757 can and did, just this one time, fold its wings neatly at its sides to slide right through the hole in the Pentagon without leaving a trace, then disentegrated with the rest of the craft into nothing from the awful heat, but by a wonderful miracle preserved 95&#xof; the DNA of the passengers just to prove they were on the plane? Anybody that would buy that one would definitely buy the Brooklyn Bridge, fried ice cream, or droppings from little green men from outer space.

Come to think about it, since Nillie, ITZW, or MS obviously buy that tale, hell, why don’t I sell one of them some fried ice cream?

Hey, you guys, would you like to buy some fried ice cream? How about toothbrushes used by little green men from outer space? Send me your signed, blank checks and I’ll send you the goods.

#110565 by Franker than Frank

•  I hope the above is not too complicated. I don’t like to be complicated.

Oh Franker, you always make me laugh. Of COURSE it’s complicated, which you love.
(And admittedly, I enjoy it as well.) And, there’s no possible way I’d ever get that ‘precision’. I understand about needing to get a feel for it though. I’m the same way with my sewing machines, and my textiles, and driving jetbridges, and doing the hula. Still, YOUR precision is way over my head. (or eyesight)

Anyway, keep up the precision, and see if you can run Nimrod off as effectively as you got rid of MS. He’s even more a pain in the ass. How the hell did he find his way back over here anyway? Dead give-away for a troll/agent. No doubt he’s got multiple identities on this site, trolling from thread to thread, but generally only after he’s been exposed on one. Or, somebody asks him questions he’s not about to answer. Anyway, he exposes himself soon enough. Can’t you just see me in a klan hood? (that’s one of his favorite accusations by the way, which is how we know he’s a moron)

Besides, the big shots in the kkk don’t wear just any ole ‘hood’. They have those big-ass Wizard hats. I remember years ago, a bunch of them paraded through the O’Hare airport. They had arrived on a Delta flight from somewhere down there in the midst of all that scum, and had already prearranged for what appeared to be a whole battalion of Chicago police officers. (our tax dollars at work, defending wussie-whimps hiding under white sheets and pointy hats) At the time, I was nearly mesmerized. I’d actually never seen them up close, (even the TV was too much for me – that would only get by me on Halloween, which might be why nimrod has been trolling so heavily lately) Anyway, as I stood there in amazement, one of my co-workers (of African descent) suggested that she should run up to one of them and shout ‘Daddy, Daddy, is that YOU under that sheet? It was tempting to encourage her, but I didn’t wanna hassle with any extra paperwork that day.

Curious that nimrod referred to that article, (that he calls terrible) that was originally posted as a link on this page. (I posted the same on another thread) If you didn’t get to read it, you should. The thing is so HIGHLY plausible, that it must have really shaken him up. So, maybe I should look back down the list and find it for you. I have to say, it was truly believable, and you know what a skeptic I am. So, I’m never really ready to confirm the “most highly likely”, until I’ve received the same information, and more than once, and from independent sources.
And, I’ve got to say, that makes these types like nimrod really nervous. (he’s Willie Nellie to you – somehow I just like nimrod better). Notice how he seems to just track the 9-11 related blogs. I don’t think I ever see him crawling out from under his rock on any of the other threads. (unless maybe he has a different identity there). Anyway, it’s kind of hard to shut down the truth on something this obvious, so he should have known people would start to figure it out. Must have him in a really cold sweat, or worse.

Anyway, check out the article, and you’ll see why it has him so nervous, and claiming it to be ‘awful’. In reality, it’s only awful to him, because it’s so credible. Not any of the typical stuff you hear from the loonies of the movement, who like to claim aliens and such other things. No, this is from a very respectable source.

•  http://www.tbrnews.org/Archives/a2774.htm

P.S. Nillie, what are lizard men? Is that anything like I am told truck drivers call women that knock on their doors in truck stops at night? I am told they call them “lot lizards.” Would said lizard men be male prostitutes canvassing truck stop parking lots during the night? If so, what could this possibly have to do with me and this TD comment thingy?

Please explain what kind of metaphor a male lizard relates to.

Nillie, Nillie, Nillie, what can I say (except, is Willie your first name?)

Another thing I can say is: anybody with a brain knows how propaganda machines work. Check out the news media, for instance, like Pravda, oops, I mean Fox News. Indeed, all news agencies of any import at all have been owned by the government since time immemorial. “News” dissemination (or is that insemination?) is the number one propaganda tool of all governments in the world, including the United States. Television is another. Public education is another. And PR efforts, and…I could go on and on.

And of course, not to leave out that there are probably as many as 20,000+ agents exactly like yourself (at taxpayer expense of course, which means: my expense) combing the Internet blogs, the comments and chat rooms to “keep lids on,” right? This kind of effort is also called propaganda.

The tragic thing of it is, I actually agree that the copious propaganda agencies governments use is an indication that at least somebody in there is at least as smart as I am. If I found myself with the crown on my head, I would probably employ the same means. The only difference is, I would do it with integrity. I would do it for the benefit of mankind, not for myself and the greedy hangers-on. Yes, I’m quite like Jesus Christ. I put others before myself.

(What a bomb that “Jesus Christ” name was to drop on a rabidly Zionist Jewish Rabbi or whatever you are, eh?)

After you have recovered from your shock, let me concede that I know how hard such a thing as inborn altruistic tendencies are for the likes of you to imagine even in wildest fantasies, but there are some of us in the world like this.

Not many, but some. Some of my main characteristics are honesty, integrity, a sterling sense of justice, and an overweening tendency to fairness, even for the criminal Israeli perps of 911 and the seditionists in this govt. Before lining any of them up against the wall and shooting them, for instance, I would be sure they all received a fair trial, then I would line them up. That’s better than they gave their victims of 911, all one and a-half million
plus of them (and counting.)

Nillie, you just keep on “blogging” for the govt. Lord knows the govt needs all the progaganda help it can get, even from incompetents such as yourself. You are impotent against the truth, anyway, as any liar is, as the truth will out in spite of you, but don’t let that one little reality stand in your way. Just keep throwing those stumbling blocks in front of your fellow man. One day you will awaken to find one of them in front of you, it will have a mind of its own and it will no doubt knock you down and take your candy away from you. Those of us with integrity call this “justice and fairness.”

Ah franker than frank.  Your brand of crazy is great.  I am sorry you missed the rest of my posts, i really started playing with your suggestion that i was a government agent.  Really, you should go read over some of the posts.  I mentioned lizard men and free masons and everything.

Re: #110726 by niloroth

Hey, Niliroth, choirs like to hear good singing, too. Now if you could only learn how to sing…

Also re: #110730 by niloroth

Nillie wrote: “Seriously, just come out and say you are anti-semites, and stop pussyfooting about it.  Almost every damn post here is about how the jews did it.  I mean, i figured you folks were kinda crazy, but really.”

Okay, Nillie, since you insist and I hate to disobey the direct order of a federal agent (ha, ha, ha), here it is: I am anti-semitic.

What does “anti-semitic” mean? Well, the first thing it means is that I am anti-criminal. Many semites could probably escape this one, as I don’t think all semites are criminals—only the ones that perped 911 with their federal cohorts here (of which, for all I can know, you may be one; how can I know except by your rabid attacks against the truth of 911, indicating you are trying to cover a lot of tracks?)

Also, all Arabs, including Palestinians, are “semitic.”  I have nothing against the vast majority of Arabs (or even Jews to the best of my awareness) thus, I can’t claim the all- encompassing “anti-semitic” label without qualifying it as relating mainly to criminal semites, even though you, a federal agent, have ordered me to do it without qualification. However, I have never been one to follow the orders of federal agents, as these are my own employees and they are supposed to follow “my” orders as written in the U.S. Constitution and sworn by them, under oath, to uphold against all enemies foreign and domestic (the criminal parts of the state of Israel would come in right here.)

Somehow things have become all perverted, though, and said federal agents don’t apprehend the relationship between servants and bosses (of which “we, the people,” are theirs’ [yours, too, Nillie?]).

You should be ashamed of yourself sleazing around these blogs, comments and chatrooms trying to spread lies and other forms of treachery.  This is not the American way in which I grew up. I grew up among folks of integrity, honesty, forthrightness, and general concern for fellow travellers.

You, Nillie (BTW, is your first name Willie”), on the other hand, seem interested only in throwing stumblingblocks before your fellows.

Shame on you, Nillie (Willie?).

When I engaged you on the other TD comment, I asked you a lot of questions about who you work for, what your rank is, etc., but I didn’t get a chance to go back and look to see how you answered. I figured it would be a waste of time, as you appear too incompetent even to know you are a federal agent, thus, how could you answer my pertinent questions?

Yes, we are the choir here. And because we detest criminals, we detest that bunch of Israeli criminals that assisted in perping 9ll. Sorry, but criminals are criminals. If one has to love them or leave them, I prefer to leave the Israeli criminals in Israel where they belong, among their own ilk (such as yourself.)

damn, why don’t you folks just put the swastikas on your arm sleeves and klan hoods on your heads already?  Seriously, just come out and say you are anti-semites, and stop pussyfooting about it.  Almost every damn post here is about how the jews did it.  I mean, i figured you folks were kinda crazy, but really.

Wow.  You folks are still going at it here as well?  Preaching to the choir in it’s finest.  Looking over the last few posts, it is like a who’s who list of people who won’t back up their posts with evidence.  And now i know where cyrena got that god awful article.

#110375 by cyrena

Noam Chomsky is just another ITZW ratcheted up a few degrees. Chomsky is concerned about protecting Israel. If he knew Israel was not involved, Chomsky would be screaming bloody murder, believe me.

Incidentally, when I read your last post, I glanced at my post just below it and realized I made a typo error on the tolerances I was talking about. One-thousandth, though exacting to a fumbler, is not “all that” exacting. Anybody that knows would call me on it. I thought I had written “one ten-thousandths” of an inch. “This” is exacting, and what I intended to write.

At the micro levels I’m talking about, a whole thousandth would be, in ratio to one ten-thousandth, like a football field compared to a single bicycle wheel path running beside it.

And so one ten-thousandth of an inch is one one-thousandth of an inch cut into ten equal parts.

One “one-thousandth” of an inch is one segment of an inch that has been divided into one thousand equal segments. One “ten-thousanth” of an inch is one segment of one of those one-thousandths of an inch divided into ten equal segments. One could not see a line this narrow with the naked eye, but only under microscope magnification. One has to develop a “feel” for working with these tolerances unless one has special computer-operated high dollar machines.

Mine are low dollar “touchy/feely/thinky”
machines. It’s why I like the challenge of tolerances in the invisible ten-thousandths of an inch range.

I hope the above is not too complicated. I don’t like to be complicated.

Franker,

Thanks for checking in. Nothing wrong with keeping busy with that kind of work. Matter of fact, I suspect it’s a very good thing. I used to do the same with my sewing. (not nearly that degree of percision though, at least not with the machine work) But, all of my machines and other equipment are stored far, far away.

Maybe there’ll be a miracle, and I’ll have enough money at one time to retrieve them. But, who knows. Too much else going on at the moment anyhow.

Anyway, glad you’re OK. OH, now there’s a new thread with Noam Chomsky basically denying the 9/11 thing as well. He doesn’t go so far as to say that it’s impossible, but only that “they” couldn’t keep the whole thing under wraps, and so they’d never try something like that, knowing they couldn’t get away with it. I think what he doesn’t realize is that the ‘secret’ is long known, and they HAVE gotten away with it. Cheney doesn’t care if we know. It’s like so what, what are we gonna do about it?

Anyway, we’re glad you’re doing good. And, I decided the same thing on MS. Not worth the time to even be annoyed for long.

Hi to everybody else. I’ll check in again soon.

I’m all right folks. Thanks for asking. I’ve been busy. Somebody came up with a large order for my little machine shop that requires a lot of precision. I like precision, as this is how my mind works.

Precision work with hands has a way of exercising precision thoughts.

The order this company has hired me to do has exacting tolerances. One measurement for a steel shaft, for example, lies between 1.771” and 1.772”. The tolerance range here lies within the distance of one-thousandth of an inch.

I like to play with my precision machines. Only prob is, the company that hired me is trying to entice me out of retirement. When you can perform work this precision, just about everybody wants you. But I am not really a machinist, it is just one of my 500+ vocations. I developed this trade to garner the knowledge; once I had it together, I didn’t want to get rid of the machines I had bought, thus, my home machine shop that companies hereabouts like to hire sometime. 

Cyrena, since I got so busy I decided to let MS wiggle off the hook. He’s not much of a nibble, anyway. He’s was just a little bitty fish that needed to be thrown back in the water, anyway. He was only a minnow.

I’ll keep checking in on you nice folks from time to time. How many are left now, only five altogether? I’m still reading each post.

Good luck to you all and keep holding that front line steady.

#110115 by Peter RV

Peter, Thanks for this. The other thread didn’t show the whole thing…just him saying “How Dare You”. Notice he didn’t deny it, just acted all self-righteous and indignant. How dare HE – should be the question.

Meantime, I don’t KNOW where Franker is. And, I’ve been wondering about him. I hope he didn’t get into it with MS, whose still blathering away on another thread.

And then of course I’ve been under new attack myself, from some other emotionally disturbed kid named Akira. Same deal, the 9/11 thing. He suggested earlier that I had been ‘ousted’ as a troll from this site/thread. Nope. I’ve been attacked, but not ousted.

Anyway, the notifications had been stopped for a while, and now all of a sudden, I’m getting them again. But, that doesn’t explain about Franker though. I’d decided after calming down a bit, (because MS really DID annoy me dragging my name up into a whole different topic/conversation, and out of the blue) that I’d just ignore his ignorant butt. But, you know Franker…he might have really let the guy have it, and then MS would have gone whining to TD again, (which he’s done before) and TD may have decided to put Franker on some sort of ‘punishment’. I’m hoping not. BUT, if we don’t hear from him soon, I’ll try to figure something out.

Robert, thanks for this latest posting. #110155 on breaking down an innocent man. This is what they’ve been doing at Gitmo for 6 years now. And, I’m thinking that this guy Abdallah Higazy, was caught up in the New York courts in Mukasey’s reign. Mukasey is as bad if not worse than Gonzo, and I fear they’re gonna go ahead and confirm him, if they can get him to say what they want him to say about the waterboarding. (so far, he won’t agree that it’s torture).

Also, do you remember the name or the case or even the participants in another piece that you posted about another Arab student who got caught up in his court, after that ‘round up’? It seems that I remember you posting it, and I think the defendant was from San Diego, (another student) and I remember that Mukasey wouldn’t allow his lawyer to bring in a co-counsel, who was local, and Arab himself, and more informed on the issues. I remember all of the circumstances, but I can’t remember the names.

It’s not that big of a deal. But, if you can think of it, drop us a note. It’s just that I have such an awful feeling now about Mukasey. I’d just as soon we didn’t HAVE an new AG, until we can find a decent one. This guy is all connected to Guilaini and all the rest. Very troubling.

OK, we’ll keep an eye out for Franker. I’m studying Slave Codes now for an exam tomorrow, so I won’t be going far. (yes, talk about depressing…it’s my Race and Law course). Some of this stuff is like, AMAZING. As bad as things are now, it still hasn’t gone back to what it was then, at least not obviously. (and, we aren’t even talking all that long ago…late 1700’s)

Weekend Edition
October 27 / 28, 2007

Breaking Down an Innocent Man
The FBI’s Right to Threaten Torture

By JAMES BOVARD

“A federal appeals court has concluded that an FBI agent must go to trial on charges he coerced a false confession out of a prime suspect in the 9/11 attacks. But the FBI still insists that its agent did nothing wrong. And the feds swayed the court to suppress that portion of a recent decision detailing how the FBI agent used the threat of torture to break an innocent man.

Abdallah Higazy, a 30-year-old Egyptian student, arrived in New York City to study engineering at the Polytechnic University in Brooklyn on August 27, 2001. A U.S. foreign-aid program reserved and paid for his room at the Millennium Hilton Hotel, next to the World Trade Center. After the first plane crashed into the World Trade Center, Higazy hot-footed it out of the hotel. After the terrorist attack, the hotel was sealed.

Three months later, guests were allowed to retrieve their belongings. When Higazy went to the hotel on December 17, he was arrested and accused of possessing an aviation radio. (A hotel security guard reported finding the radio in a safe in his room.) Higazy denied owning the radio. He was arrested as a material witness and locked up in solitary confinement.

Higazy wanted to clear his name so he agreed to take a polygraph test. FBI agent Michael Templeton wired him up for the test but then proceeded to browbeat him for three hours until he finally admitted to owning the radio. Higazy said the FBI agent warned him, “If you don’t cooperate with us, the FBI will ... make sure Egyptian security gives your family hell.” The FBI refused to permit Higazy’s attorney, Robert Dunn, to be in the room while he was given the polygraph. After the interrogation, Higazy was “trembling and sobbing uncontrollably,” according to Dunn.

On January 11, 2002, Higazy was indicted for lying to a federal agent. U.S. Attorney Dan Himmelfarb declaimed that “the crime that was being investigated when the false statements [about the radio] were made is perhaps the most serious in the country’s history. A radio that can be used for air-to-air and air-to-ground communication is a significant part of that investigation.” The Washington Post noted that “federal officials paraded [Higazy] before the media as a terrorist.” The feds never bothered checking with the U.S. foreign-aid program to find out whether Higazy’s story about why he was staying at the hotel next to the World Trade Center was true.

The prosecutorial celebration flopped three days later when an American pilot showed up at the Millennium Hilton Hotel and asked for the aviation radio he had left in his room when the hotel was evacuated on 9/11. It soon became apparent that the hotel security guard (a former cop who had been fired by the Newark Police Department) had lied about finding the radio in Higazy’s room. The case collapsed and, a few days later, Higazy was awarded $3 for subway fare and released from jail. The FBI conducted an internal investigation and absolved Templeton of any wrongdoing.”

Click the link/URL for the rest of the story:

http://www.counterpunch.org/bovard10272007.html

Peter,

Thanks for the additional link. I did want to read it again, but hadn’t had the time to search for it. So, it’s like you all read my mind. What a gift. I’ve said it before. It’s like you guys are a professional research staff.

And, the timing couldn’t be better, since I HAVE just spent a considerable amount of time addressing another handful of ‘deniers’ on another thread. Since I’ve not yet posted that long message, I will include this in it, as well as the one from PatrickHenry and TBR news, even though I’ve already reposted it as well. I think it’s very important to the overall picture, and because it’s new information come to light.

Thanks, and enjoy the rest of your weekend.

Patrick Henry:
# 109196

I read the report from the Barnes Review news (TBR).

The only “conspiracy theory” that is “not based on fact” is the official account about nineteen guys with box-cutters, as well as the half- baked subsequent cover-up contained between the covers in the official “Commission Report on 9/11.”

There can be little doubt that Mossad (and the operational Israeli Art peddlers, the Israeli Moving company used as cover, and the dancing Israeli at Bayonne celebrating their success at filming and cheering over the event (they have admitted having advanced knowledge of 9/11 in Ha’aretz) and their cohorts that watched from the the Palisades, where up to more than simply observing history. That the Mossad withheld information, as this report implies, supposedly attempting to warn the Bush about the “terrorist plots” by “Muslim terrorist” well, that sounds to my ears like public relations bolderdash.

The most important admission by this Israeli report, at the TBR link, is that they successfully infiltrated Atta’s organization. And this, in-it-self, makes them look efficient and manipulative.

TBR news gives a short chronological list of efforts made to warn Bush of the then coming attack. At the time, the corporate media reported some of these warnings (such as Putin’s mid-August warning that appeared in “the Moscow Times” prior to 9/11.)

According to this Israel document (at the TBN link), the case made -is that Cheney allowed this attack on 9/11 to proceed:

  “It was felt at the time that Mr. Cheney would understand this matter and be able to make a presentation to the President. In a number of substantive talks with Mr. Cheney, it was mutually decided that the attacks should proceed. The reasons agreed upon were that it would at once give the President the opportunity of securing great domestic power with the legislature and the public. It would also permit, and most important, that the U.S. could attack Saddam Hussein. He was then one of our top enemies and had, in fact, bombarded us with missiles during the Gulf War.”

Somehow, I think there is more to it than this rather passive picture of disinterested concern of Mossad than simply letting 9/11 proceed without interruption (see below).

No-where does it outline Israeli interests or Israeli political objectives.

Be-that-as-it- may, thanks for the link,

~A.Z. Arrow
October 26, 2007

IMPORTANT CORRECTION

In a earlier posting I said “thirty four extraordinary (diversionary) military exercises.”

A friend with greater knowledge than myself indicated that the actual number was thirty-seven.

#108350 by A. Z. Arrow on 10/19 at 3:33 pm
(8 comments total)

O.K., I’ll say it, my best assessment: “an inside job” carried out by former espionage specialist who wired and exploded the Twin Towers and Building # 7, (a triple hi-tech demolition with only two of these buildings hit by airliners equipped with re-programmed flight computers), and while someone –with the highest level of military access- arranged for a Cruise Missile to blast into the Pentagon on a day that NORAD was place in stand-down mode, and while the military was preoccupied with thirty-four extraordinary (and diversionary) military exercises. PNAC had claimed to the world that their empire scheme needed “a new Pearl Harbor” and on 9/11 the criminal Cabal and their private contractors went into action.
The gang that did this did not carry box-cutters. They didn’t need them.

~A. Z. Arrow

#109196 by PatrickHenry on 10/24 at 2:42 am

6 years after the event, and infor still keeps comming in.

http://www.tbrnews.org/Archives/a2774.htm

Very plausible.
=====================

PatrickHenry,

I have just read through this article at the link you provided. AND, it MORE THAN plausible. I believe every word of it. It makes sense out of so much more of the other things that have come to light in the past. It explains the failure to heed any FBI warnings, and it explains the breath within the CIA, and it just explains a whole lot of EVERYTHING. More than anything, it explains the Israeli connection.

Oh yes…very, very, very, plausible.

Thanks for sharing. You’ve got a great eye.

FROM A SINGLE WEB SITE TODAY:

Three links and three Examples of the Chemical residue and Criminal footprints left by the Bush gang’s apparatus, along with associated treacheries created by the Bush administration’s neonazicon’  policies and politics:

CHEMICAL WEAPONS MYTHS
Iraq told the truth and hundreds of U.S. politicians lied. But, life is not fair. Today, officials of the Ba’ath regime who told the truth are either dead or incarcerated. Those U.S. politicos who lied are still alive and attend cocktail parties laden with liars without a thought of remorse that they contributed to the deaths of more than a million Iraqis since 2003 and the destruction of the entire country of Iraq.
Posted Oct 26, 2007 10:07 AM PST
Category: IRAQ
http://whatreallyhappened.com/

Judge Voids Un-Auditable California Election
For only the second time in California history, a judge in Alameda County voided an election result and called for the election to be re-run, because the e-voting tallies from Diebold machines couldn’t be audited.
Posted Oct 26, 2007 10:00 AM PST
Category: VOTE FRAUD
http://whatreallyhappened.com/

WTC Collapse: Photographic evidence of cutter charges.
Category: 9/11 inside job
http://whatreallyhappened.com/wtc_charges.html

~A. Z. Arrow
October 26, 2007

Robert, Peter,

You are ABSOLUTELY correct!! This so-called ‘fringe’ movement, is hardly a ‘fringe’ at all. Matter of fact, I think the MAJORITY now realize/understand that 9/11 was planned and perpetrated against us, by our Criminals in D.C.

And, it is BECAUSE of that, that the real ‘loonies’ like Limbaugh and the others, have become more and more desperate to smear everybody else. The more we learn, and the more of US who begin to connect the dots, the more FRANTIC they become. So, I’d say things are moving along marvelously.

Peter, I read the article on AA flight 587, and it DID refresh my memory. I remember now, when that occurred, but as you mentioned before, it didn’t stay in our collective memories, (or even mine) because there was next to NO real coverage on it, via MSM.
So, that piece in Wikipedia was very helpful.

I don’t have what I would call ‘extensive’ –working- knowledge of the Air Bus. I did dispatch/flight plan for some, but most of my own working knowledge is of the Boeing series. Even so, there are basics to any airplane, and I very much question the NTSB report. I don’t believe that an overcorrection with the rudder, on the part of the F/O, could possibly have caused total structural damage to the extent that airplane did. And, as with the eyewitness reports from 9/11, I question the fact that the eyewitness testimonies for this report, were totally disregarded as well.

In short, it’s all very ‘fishy’. On the other hand, at least there actually WAS evidence left over. So, this incident leaves more to be ‘examined’ than the others that occurred on 9/11, when those airplanes either disintegrated into balls of fire, or simply vanished into thin air.

That doesn’t mean we’ll ever have access to it, but at least the ‘fishy’ report should still be on file, and that can be examined (and debunked) the same way the ‘official’ report of the events of 9/11 can be debunked.

Keep digging ya’ll. You do good work!!

WHY IS THE 911 “FRINGE” MOVEMENT SO MAINSTREAM?

By: Devvy
October 25, 2007

© 2007 - NewsWithViews.com

“It just didn’t make any sense to me… When one starts using his own mind, and not what one was told, there is very little to believe in the official story.” September 5, 2007 - U.S. Navy ‘Top Gun’ pilot, Commander Ralph Kolstad

On October 19, 2007, some individuals in the audience of a taping of the Bill Maher show disrupted the airing; Maher joined security in removing these folks from the building. I know little about Maher and have never subscribed to any of the so-called premium channels like HBO on moral grounds. The individuals removed wanted Maher and his guests to talk about 911. The aftermath was a fresh barrage of verbal missiles aimed at anyone with questions about 911. Useful idiot, John Gibson, of the FAUX (FOX) Network, refers to people with reasonable questions about 911 as “ragtag conspiratorialists.”

Bill O’Reilly and his stable of regular commentators always refer to those seeking the truth about 911 as conspiracy wackos; the “fringe element” that no one takes seriously. He is particularly nasty and often hysterical in his tirades. They all pull out Rosie O’Donnell as the poster child to bolster their rants. Following along with the rest of these mindless robots comes Glen Beck. Uh, who? Beck does a show on CNN’s News Network. I’m not sure who would waste their time watching him after having scanned his show a couple of times for a total of five minutes, but apparently he has some sort of audience or he’d be off the air. Beck is a documented 911 truth basher. His latest statement on his web site reads: “Bill Maher’s nasty spat with some 9/11 conspiracy nut jobs was a nuisance on live TV, but are these conspiracy theorists a menace to society? You bet they are.”

Beck also has a poll up on his site with the question: “Conspiracy Craziness: Anyone who believes our government could have successfully planned 9/11 is not only giving them too much credit, but they’re also insane. Do you agree or disagree?” Oops, Mr. Glen. The results as I work this column: I agree: 2,279. I disagree: 7,045. It would appear Beck’s own audience doesn’t even agree with him. Wait, it gets better. On his show October 22, 2007, he said:

“Anybody who thinks that 9/11 was carried out by the government isn’t a truther. They’re idiots….These truthers are exactly the kind of people who want to rock this nation’s foundation, tear us apart and plant the seeds of dissatisfaction in all of us….Oh, no, don’t get me wrong, I think they do believe it, which is why I believe these guys are dangerous. I believe these guys are anarchists that are looking to tear us apart. I mean, this is—this is the kind of group that a Timothy McVeigh would come from.”

According to all these high paid “experts” on “mainstream” and cable network television, anyone who has reasonable questions about what really happened on 911 is not only outside the “mainstream” of society, but would have been an advocate of Timothy McVeigh. Here’s just a few of these “fringe” wackos so maligned by the aforementioned:

Bob McIlvaine, father of Robert McIlvaine, Assistant Vice President, Merrill Lynch, WTC North Tower, 106th floor. Interview by Evan Solomon, CBC News 8/30/06: Bob McIlvaine: “I believe 100% that the U.S. orchestrated 9/11 with the help of other agencies around the world. But my blame goes to the United States because it happened in the U.S. There’s people within the U.S. that knew it happened, that planned this to happen.”

http://www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd317.htm

#109396 by Franker than Frank
•  However, if you’d like, I’d be happy to traipse in on them again and have some more fun at their expense. I am a bully basher. Only thing is, it might drive multiple sclerosis over the edge. So consider that. For my part, I don’t care and I would feel no pain (except side-splitting laughter), but it might hurt you for knowing you were part of it.
Franker,
I say….HAVE AT IT!!! I haven’t even looked at this response from him, and now I won’t. What a flippin’ punk, to attack ME, just because he’s too much of a whiney whimp to deal with YOU. People like him are so incredibly stupid, that they consistently cut of their own noses, to spite their own faces.

So, not to worry about driving him over the edge. Nope…he’s actually asked for it. (and imagine I was actually trying to get you to ease up on the asshole) What kind of a dummy does that make ME? Can’t learn a lesson I guess.

Anyway, while I still plan to make good on my promise to kick his ass, it’ll be a while before I can get to him. You might just save me the work. Go for it. He’s already in the process of a major meltdown, so you probably don’t even need Big Bertha. Still, I’d whip her out anyway. Like I said, he’s asked for it, and maybe it will shut him the F up for a while. (got us some breathing room before).

I’m so damn sick and tired of these loonies running lose, beginning with his twin in the white house, and all the ones in-between.

Peter, I’m just about to read the piece on that AA flight. And, the other links you guys left as well. Thanks.

#109177 by cyrena

CYRENA, what fun! I read your reference above and visited the mighty MS (multiple sclerosis.)

MS says to you, “I will not let you or your cronies turn this current board into another circus…”

I told you he thinks he’s Liberty Valance. He “will not let you…” (O pleeeze let me, massa’suh, o pleeeze, massa’.) Since you are one of those “women folk” of the song (and movie), you are supposed to run and hide when Liberty rides into town. He will decide what he “lets” you do, right? Ha, ha, ha.

Fortunately, I’m a bully basher and I’m not allowed to be skeered even when Liberty Valance rides into town to shoot things up.

But one thing for sure, dear Cyrena, now you know what I meant by “collateral damage.” I am laughing pretty hard right now.

Your main prob with the two Liberty’s (MS and ITZW) was that you got caught in the crossfire between us.

I did mention a time or two what one of my amazing powers is. With mere words, anonymous ones at that, I can put folks at such odds with themselves that they will never forget me. When these two draw their last breaths I will still be on their minds, in a prominent place at that. Ha, ha, ha. And I never hauled out even one of my big guns. I used pea shooters the whole time. If I had hit those boys with some of my larger calibers, the shock waves alone would have withered you few that I would have no intention of discombobulating.

In my extensive travels in this world I have learned some fantastic secrets, most of which I wouldn’t reveal to the world for any man’s money, even that of Bill Gates’. The main reason is because I fear somebody would aim them at me. Since I know how devastating they are, “mum” is the word and many of the most fantastic secrets mortals could hope to imagine will remain with me until I leave this squirrely place.

As I said above, I only used pea shooters with MS and ITZW. Small calibers for small calibers, right?
But I was dreadfully tempted to haul out my largest “Big Bertha” just for the hell of it and fire a couple of rounds in the direction of the two nerds. I think God must be holding me back for a real “Biggie.”

Yes, those boys (the brothers Valance) would still be seeking a love affair with you if I had not interfered. But look at it this way, now you have me (and the other few real people like yourself) and the bro’s Valance are awash on a sea of tribulations from whence I don’t think they will return, of their own making at that.

Let me end by saying that I am sure the bro’s Valance don’t have any animosity for you, Cyrena. The animosity is aimed at me. They don’t have the power to touch me and so they are trying to touch you, hoping that it will hurt me. This, itself, is a form of these boys’ inbred prejudice. In their “lofty superiority” they think you are the weakest one and so they are hammering at you.

Thus, what you need to do is have a big laugh at their antics, as it’s all they are, antics.

However, if you’d like, I’d be happy to traipse in on them again and have some more fun at their expense. I am a bully basher. Only thing is, it might drive multiple sclerosis over the edge. So consider that. For my part, I don’t care and I would feel no pain (except side-splitting laughter), but it might hurt you for knowing you were part of it.

Comment #109177 by cyrena on 10/23

Cyrena…don’t let MS get under your skin. He is nothing but a failed “wanna-be-small-town-reporter”!

He has tried to report, but got cancelled off. He turned out to be almost as deceptive as ITZW. Its hard to believe anything he tries to say. In one comment he tells us that his grandmother was Jewish. In others, he stated that his father and grandparents are Jewish. I really don’t care about who is Jewish in his family, but apparently he is really annoyed by the revelations.

I noticed that he is trying to recruit Ernest Canning to his side. The more that I see comments from ITZW & Lilmamzer, the more that I see the reason(s) why ITZW is still an un-registered commenter on “truthdig”.

Cyrena…keep posting and don’t let MS, ITZW/Lilmamzer get into your way. Their ways are pure “zionist’s” intimidation tactics.

THESE ZIONISTS HAVE AN AGENDA…THEIR GOALS ARE TO FRUSTRATE THE “TRUTH” COMMENTERS AND PLANT DOUBT/DECEPTIONS ON THESE FORUMS! THEIR JOBS ARE TO COUNTER COMMENTS THAT ARE NOT FAVORABLE TO THEIR ISRAEL & ZIONIST IDEOLOGY.

6 years after the event, and infor still keeps comming in.

http://www.tbrnews.org/Archives/a2774.htm

Very plausible.

#109108 by Franker than Frank on 10/23 at 4:40 pm
“Gotcha, Cyrena. When I saw MS losing it, I lightened up too, until he came at me full blast again.”
And guess what? Damn if the crazy MF isn’t AT IT AGAIN!! I am just about sick of his ass. He WON’T let this go!! He’s fucking OBSESSED!! I’m posting directly from what he’s now got going on an entirely different thread, that ALSO has nothing to do with him and his personal obsessions about Jews/Israel/etc, etc.
•  #108999 by Michael Shaw on 10/23 at 9:05 am
108968 Ernest you know me fairly well. You also know Inherit. As much as I truly hate to bring this up again, if you only knew what the two of us went through in that Fisk dig, I’m sure you would have been right there in the trenches with us.
WHAT THEY “WENT THROUGH”? Oh PLEASE…give me a flippin’ break. Poor guy. If words on a paper could torment him to this degree, he’s in worse shape than I thought. I hate all this f-ing DRAMA!!
Here’s more
•  Simply because I admitted(actually forced to admit after the fact) my grand mother was Jewish, something I never made a secret of and in fact mention a long time ago, I was labeled as an agent of the MOSSAD and the truth police..” blah, blah, blah.
Who the hell FORCED him to “ADMIT” ANY god damned thing? Who CARED? I sure didn’t, and THAT’S what got him all riled UP. Who cared if his grandma was Jewish? Who ASKED? What does it have to do with ANYTHING we’re talking about, on this thread, or any other thread? Not a damn thing!
Then HERE, he REALLY crosses the line…
•  You should go into Fisk’s 9/11 with Caution dig and see the ugly(and insane) realities for yourself. In fact it was so ugly it compelled me to be ugly too, something I have never had to do previously on this board. As you read while you’re ducking “thought bombs,” “mother ships,” and a whole lot of fascism, you’ll see for yourself why Inherit has been forced to battle these right wing protagonists, a group that Cyrena was(and perhaps still is) in complete lockstep with.
You can read all of his demented drivel, as well as my response, here:
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20071018_could_gore_be_a_contender/
But, only if you want to, since this much proves that he’s back in his personal torture chamber, but still trying to drag the rest of the world into it.
The most important part of my own response, was that if he LIED ON ME AGAIN, I was gonna KICK HIS ASS!! And, I’m not playing! I’m sick of his shit.
As if I’m in LOCKSTEP with ANYBODY other than myself!!. And as if he’s ANYTHING other than a self-absorbed neurotic, attempting to infect the rest of the world with the same.
Stupid MF.
Peter,
Thanks for the correction on the airplane incident in Queens. The fact that it was later the same year, (really just 2 months later)rather than the next day, still doesn’t make it meaningless, and I still wonder why we didn’t hear of it. So, it’s worth checking out.
Robert, thanks for the links on the IDF as well. Only God knows how long they’ve been doing this, and that’s only if you believe in a ‘god’ that would ‘allow’ it.

I don’t.

#108906 by cyrena

Gotcha, Cyrena. When I saw MS losing it, I lightened up too, until he came at me full blast again. There are some people in the world, you know, that think, well, that they’re Liberty Valance, and when they show up on the scene, the meek and mild should run and hide. Liberty Valance was a cowboy song that became so popular it was made into a movie. It went something like, “When Liberty Valance rode to town, the womenfolk would hide, they’d hide, cause the point of a gun was the only law that Liberty understood, when it came to shootin’ straight and fast, the law book was no good.” A lot of men think they’re Liberty Valance.

There are people that believe they were born princes and the world is required to bow down before them when they walk by. Or they will huff and puff and blow your house down. When they bump into me I like to give them my best Karate shoulder.

Evidently God made me to confront bullies, as I have had to do it all my life. I’ve done it from the smallest individual to the largest institutions. If I told you the least part of it you would be thrilled and amazed. I did that in addition to all the other things I have done, such as my 500+ vocations. I never liked bullying bullies, as I have always preferred peace. But hell, my motto has long been, if you can’t have peace, then do the best damned job you can at war and scatter around as many bodies as you can. If you make the price great enough, most folks, even institutions, will leave you the hell alone and seek less expensive adventures for themselves. I wish the Palestinians could do it to Israel. I wish Iraq could do it to the United States and England. I wish…

FTF AND CYRENA,

SPEAKING OF IDF!

If Americans Knew What Israel Is Doing! VIDEO WAS CENSORED!

TAKE A LOOK AT ISRAEL’S GRUESOME IDF “CHILD MURDERERS”. TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT THESE SADISTIC CRIMINALS…WATCH THEM BREAKING PALESTINIAN TEENAGERS “BONES” WITH ROCKS AND STONES.

IF ONLY AMERICANS REALLY KNEW…!!!

WATCH WHAT PAUL FINDLEY HAS TO SAY.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynWjYHP91gA

#108855 by Franker than Frank on 10/22 at 3:53 pm
•  Thanks, Cyrena, but regarding “safe” I didn’t care. I would only care that you care, as I think you are a highly unique black lady and I wouldn’t want to scrape up against your sensitivities.

Well, I only cared because the dude was like really LOSING it!! And, I guess I felt a little guilty, because I too, have a tendency to sometimes lose my patience, (though it generally takes me a while) and if they really catch me, (like after a long time of me letting them get away with it) then I can end up being as ferocious as you. And at one point there, I was almost thinking we were getting into an area of genuine torture, and I really don’t approve of that. (maybe just because I’ve been studying it so much these past few years, and it really is awful…which is why is such a huge crime among crimes).
But, he’s survived, and so I’m not feeling any guilt now.

Now, speaking of the IDF. I found out something very interesting at a briefing last week. One of our professors authored a book, (after much in-depth and on location research) on the Israeli Military Court System in the West Bank and Gaza. Well, that much I knew. I’ve read it, it’s excellent. But, she told us last week, that the IDF is now using her book for study and training. (Maybe the same way the DOD and other high officials of our own regime have used the film “Battle of Algiers” (also among the best documentaries I’ve ever seen).

Anyway, the book on the Israeli Court System is titled “CourTinG ConFlicT” and it’s by Lisa Hajjar, and I was quite surprised to learn that the IDF is now using it. From the ‘scholarly’ standpoint, which is why she wrote it, it explains the court system. (which really isn’t, but that’s what they like to think they’re doing…having a legitimate legal system) BUT, the IDF may be using it now, (and this is only a guess) to reconsider their interrogation processes. In short, torture and all of the other methods of interrogation that they use, rarely –if- ever produces any valid information. Generally, it’s because the people they interrogate, don’t KNOW anything. And, they refuse to confess to what they are being accused of, even though in this court system, it’s always their ONLY chance of a possible plea bargain. In other words, the court has already figured out, that the people don’t know anything, but they still want them to ‘confess’. If they do, (and are lucky enough to have attorneys) it’s sometimes their only hope of cutting a deal down from life in prison.

So, that’s the primary point of her book. Just how the system operates, which is the same as no system at all. They lock these men up at will, and they ALWAYS find them guilty, even when they aren’t. So, if the guys finally agree to ‘confess’ (and it’s always ones who are perfectly innocent, because if they actually had done whatever it was, they wouldn’t have this ‘option’, they’d just be executed) then, they might get 20 or 30 years, instead of life, or die in the interrogation process.

So, that could be why the IDF has decided to use the book as a reference. I’m sure she doesn’t mind a bit, seeing as all academics need to supplement their incomes. (teaching doesn’t pay much…at least not for these times and places).

Anyway, just thought I’d share that with you.

Meantime, there’s a new 9-11 rant going on the thread with Bill Maher’s latest antics.
I’m starting to wonder if maybe he did that shit on purpose, just to get a conversation revved up about it again. Check it out in your spare time.

http://www.truthdig.com/avbooth/item/20071021_bill_maher_versus_9_11_protesters/

All of our old favorites are showing up, plus new ones I’ve never heard from.

No, I haven’t seen MS yet. He might be wise enough to stay away from that one.

To all: here is a good URL on the Palestinian situation. It is by a Jewish woman who was a soldier in Gaza and is at the point of writing a psychologist doing a research paper on atrocities committed by the IDF against Palestinians. She interviews IDF soldiers that tell all.

No wonder ITZW wants to remain mum about Palestinian questions. What could he say except, “IDF soldiers like to commit atrocities against civilians because it’s great fun.”

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,,2196019,00.html

#108705 by cyrena

Thanks, Cyrena, but regarding “safe” I didn’t care. I would only care that you care, as I think you are a highly unique black lady and I wouldn’t want to scrape up against your sensitivities.

I’ll certainly do my best not to tweak “the kid” too much, but I started out that way until the kid just kicked me in the shins too many times. Kick me once, shame on me, kick me twice…(however, I let him kick me about 40 times.)

Plus, I almost hung it up just to keep from having to buck up against the kid, because I know how it is with the “town tamer” mentality of bystanders. People love town tamers until they hire one and see what kind of work they have to do to “tame” the town. “MS the kid” was playing “Liberty Valance” riding into town to shoot things up and he thought I was the meek and mild school teacher. I may be a “school teacher” type, but I’m a long way from meek and mild. My guns are pretty fast, too. I never knew a “Liberty Valance” that could outdraw me, but a lot have tried. Even psychiatrists cut a wide path around me. MS couldn’t have known, of course.

There is a wise old saying among truck drivers I like. It pretty well characterizes the way I’ve conducted my life. They say, “If you can’t run with the Big Dogs, stay on the porch.”

Maybe somebody should tell the kid.

PS…

To all,

Michael Shaw is back. So, at least we know he’s safe. (if you cared).

Franker, I doubt he’s gonna show up on this thread again, but if he does, please go a bit easier on him.

I just can’t take all the drama and blood.

#108623 Peter

“…but concluded that your principal place is among us-the infamous ‘theoreticians of 911 conspiration’.”…

Hi Peter,

I’m sooo HONORED…really, I am. Thanks for the vote of confidence, and the welcome. Surely we all need that from time to time. (especially when we find ourselves under constant attack). And, that seems to be the story of my life sometimes. (most times) Truth telling is a dangerous occupation, but I wouldn’t have it any other way. And, as first hand experience has provided, the ‘support’ is key, to accomplishing even the smallest of accomplishments. There’s simply no way that any of us can do any of it – ALONE.

So, I will continue to pop up on the other posts, if only to keep the awareness alive, and the ‘dots connected’. Or, at least try to. You may be able to tell from some of the other threads, that so many Americans still haven’t made the 9/11 connection, to all that has come since. And, if we think about it, that’s probably to be expected (and even counted on) because, well…it’s been 6 years now. So, think about an entire ‘generation’ (or more) who were say, like my sister’s kids, not all that old at the time. They were 9, 14, and 17 years old. So, for them, this is an entirely different world now, than the one we knew, and like so many other people, they were not –directly- affected by 9/11. At least not in a way that they can comprehend. And, as more and more time passes, more and more people forget, and/or continue to absorb the official story, much like people for centuries upon centuries, have continued to absorb the Bible and other religious text, taking them all at face value.

Also, there has been (as WE know) a concerted effort to KEEP this out of the public’s attention, and to keep American’s ‘dumb-downed’ and distracted. So, this will always be a challenge.

Most recently, (and this is very scary) the attacks on academia have really speeded up. I mean, what better place to silence the truth, before it can be exposed? And, isn’t that the ‘usual’ spot that takes the first hits, when fascist and tyrannical regimes are in the midst of total takeovers? So, we have professors under attack, with campuses being described as ‘hot beds of radical liberalism” blah, blah, blah. I mean, it’s so George Orwell, 1984, except –WORSE-!

And, there is no doubt in my mind, that I am – myself- on any number of ‘lists’. It’s just that, for the moment at least, I’ve been effectively ‘neutralized’ and I’m sure they have bigger fish to fry. So, we’ll just stay with it, for as long as we have a voice.

Now, about that plane that crashed the next day. You’re right. I had NO IDEA. Seriously, I knew nothing about it, and never heard about it until now, from your post. This is very odd, because by 9/12, there was not supposed to be ANY air traffic. (and where I was – by then in California) there WASN’T any. At least not any commercial air traffic. We DO know, (as we discovered later from Michael Moore’s documentary, Fahrenheight 9/11, and I can never spell that word correctly) that several private plane loads of bin Laden family members were being spirited out of the country during those days, when all other commercial traffic had been grounded. 
But, I never heard about this disaster, and so now I have to wonder how it was connected. If I’m not mistaken, these bin Laden connected family members were ‘collected’ at various locations, presumably by private contractors set up either by the Saudis, (or some allege bin Laden himself) and eventually delivered to the East Coast, to take flights from there, back to…well, Saudi Arabia I guess. Needless to say, those details too, are very sketchy and mysterious.

Still, if you can find anything that would link me to the plane crash that you mention, please send it along, as it may be helpful. We never really know until it –comes out-

Ok, more later. Glad to know all of you are still with our project.

#108612 by Peter RV

Of one thing you can be sure, Peter, there was no “erosion” of procedural requirements as “found” by USAF investigators.

We are talking about the most dangerous weapons of mass destructions the world has ever known being handled by highly trained and practiced AF personnel as blasé as though they were handling practice grenades without explosives or blasting caps.

Every citizen has every right, and need, to be suspicious of such events as this. It’s tantamount to saying, “A USAF AWACS craft was mistaken for a Russian Mig and a Top Gun veteran of three previous wars, thinking it was about to attack him, shot it down, killing all the AF personnel that the CIA just happened to want to ‘hit.’”

But it is no more outrageous than 19 Arab Muslims with box cutters… Or a president’s entire Secret Service staff not realizing what their function immediately was supposed to be when America was just attacked by a “foreign” power… Or, just name any number of other anomalies of 911… 

Come to think about it, a USAF AWACS craft does look exactly like a Russian Mig and it could fool a seasoned fighter pilot, right? And, AF personnel highly trained, qualified and practiced in the protocols of nuclear weapons CAN get so lax as to “lose” a nuclear device by leaving it sitting on an airfield unprotected for 24 hours, right?

AND, when that nuke just happens to explode over an American city, 19 Arab Muslims armed with box cutters just COULD be the culprits again. After all, lightning can strike twice in one place.

> As a follow-up I am sending a link to these articles:

“Air Force refused to fly weapons to Middle East theater”
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=7257

“‘Simple Error’ My Ass”
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/print.asp?ID=7258

> If Wayne Madsen is correct then we are witnessing a major-cover up and/or psyh-ops by example, used against our airmen. The following two articles seem relevant. -Something is going on here and there are rumors that it circles around Cheney and the neocons in their effort to assume direct control of the military.-  The first article is by a long term Washington DC based Intelligence and Military affairs expert, Wayne Madsen:

~A. Z.

> Additionally, below, links to independent reports about a few of these “accidental” deaths.

Don Blue: “Minot Base Officials Say Airman Dies While On Leave”
http://www.kfyrtv.com/News_Stories.asp?news=10465

Adam Barrs:  “Authorities Identify Minot Airmen Killed in Crash”
http://www.kxmc.com/getArticle.asp?ArticleId=140988

Unnamed missile-loader from Barksdale AirBase: “Barksdale missile loader and wife die in motorcycle accident “ ( also involved in the Minot incident) “Caddo Parish sheriff’s deputies worked a wreck this morning in which two people from Barksdale Air Force Base were killed.”
http://www.shreveporttimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070915/BREAKINGNEWS/70915012

1st Lt. Weston Kissel: “Bomber pilot killed in crash”
http://www.bismarcktribune.com/articles/2007/07/20/news/state/136489.txt

Capt. John Frueh:  “Body of missing Air Force captain found”
http://www.komotv.com/news/local/9679367.html

~A. Z. Arrow
October 21, 2007

cyrena:

You mentioned Todd Blue (#108435).

Allow me —because I haven’t seen this reported in recent accounts of the Air force’s investigation into the wandering nukes— to share the second of two emails that I recently circulated to friends:

(Email: “Are they Heroes or Victims?” 9/27/07)

> This is a follow-up to the email that I sent you on Tue 9/25/2007 10:46 AM titled “Mystery surrounds deaths of Minot Airmen.” a story about the deaths of SIX airmen associated with the widely reportedly B-52 bomber flight loaded with Cruise Missiles with Nuclear Warheads through US airspace from Minot Air Force Base, N.D., to Barksdale Air Force Base on August 30. 2007.

This flight was a definite violation of Air Force policy and Congressional Prohibition. Yet there is more to this story than that. And there is more to these quietly reported, in four cases, but largely ignored, deaths than simply DEFYING THE LAWS OF PROBABILITY.

During the past month the following Air Men—all associated with that flight—have reportedly died by separate “accidents” in “separate locations” and under “separate circumstance.”  Right!

“The activist group Citizens for Legitimate Government said the six members of the US Air Force who were directly involved as loaders or transport were killed within 7 days of that “flight” all supposedly dying by ‘accidents.’ ” (as quoted from previous email)

> It is time to consider the improbable –that the reported “accidental” deaths where “hits” used to cover-up bad policy launched by this administration with a reckless use of nuclear threat or nuclear weapons.

Four of the six dead have been identified as:

Don Blue, 20,

Adam Barrs, 20,

First Lt. Weston Kissels, 28,

Unidentified weapons loader “?” along with his wife also taken out (likely collateral damage),

And flight Captain John Frueh—who’s’ body was found by police on Badger Peak in the state of Washington. (His photo is attached.)

Two unidentified.

Ah yes. I am indeed busy, but none of it is as fun and stimulating as this.

Thanks FTF, for the suggestion. I did finally do that with this thread, (since I don’t get ANY prompts any more, on ANY of the stories). So, just as well. Bookmarking it is easier anyway.

Now, look what I just came across. At first glance, we might not think it has anything much to do with the actually logistics of the 9/11 operation. So, I’ve put the important connections in CAPS, (because I still don’t know how to make this thing do bolds or italics. (and, yes, other’s have tried to explain, but it’s one of those things that somebody actually has to SHOW me). Until then, the CAPS will have to do.

...US Asks Court to Dismiss Lawsuit on Secret Flights
  By Adam Tanner
  Reuters
  Friday 19 October 2007
  The U.S. government asked a federal court late on Friday to dismiss a lawsuit against a unit of BOEING CO that charges the firm helped fly suspects abroad to secret prisons.

  “Allowing plaintiffs’ claims to proceed would risk the disclosure of highly classified information concerning the alleged ‘intelligence activities, sources, and methods’ of the CIA,” said the filing, signed by Acting Assistant Attorney General Jeffrey Bucholtz.

  The American Civil Liberties Union first filed a complaint in May accusing JEPPESEN DATAPLAN INC of providing FLIGHT AND LOGISTICAL SUPPORT to at least 15 aircraft on 70 “extraordinary-rendition” flights.

  The complaint to the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California alleged Jeppesen “FALSIFIED FLIGHT PLANS TO EUROPEAN AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL AUTHORITIES AVOID PUBLIC SCRUTINY OF CIA FLIGHTS.” (Here’s where you change one of the actors, EUROPEAN ATC to FAA ATC) and…voila…there you have it.

  The ACLU filed the suit on behalf of five men who say the CIA had them flown to foreign prisons for interrogations and torture.

  In its response on Friday, the U.S. government asked the judge to dismiss the case or issue a summary judgment in its favor.

  “Although the President and other officials have acknowledged that the CIA operates a terrorist detention and interrogation program (“program”), these officials have specifically refused to confirm or deny any operational details concerning that program,” it said.

  Those details “include whether any private entities or other countries assisted the CIA in conducting the program; the dates and locations of any detentions and interrogations; the methods of interrogation employed in the program; and the names of any individuals detained and interrogated by the CIA (other than fifteen individuals whose identities have been divulged so that they can be brought to trial).”

  All of those details are secret and central to the case, and so cannot be litigated, the government argued.

  In response, the ACLU said the victims of the program deserved their day in court.

  “The whole world knows about the U.S. ‘extraordinary rendition’ program and the government’s invocation of ‘state secrets’ in this case is just another cynical attempt by the administration to cover up an illegal and immoral program,” said ACLU lawyer Steven Watt.
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The highlighted names/terms/connections will be obvious to my fellow bloggers who are “Questioning 9/11….With Caution”

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/102007C.shtml

To the list: sorry, but when I mentioned Mordecai the Jew being in Ruth of The Bible, I hit my send button ere I realized I had written Ruth instead of Esther. The main point was not about where Mordecai is in The Bible as much as the idea. However, I figured I should make it as correct as possible. I can hear IZTW howling and whining about it now as though I sould be convicted and sentenced for treason. I’m sure he would want to holocaust me, right?

The thing is, there is a body of credible knowledge that The Children of Israel (“Israel” being the changed name of Jacob, who was the son of Isaac, who was the son of Abraham—Abraham being Israel’s grandfather) never did become Jews, per se, but remained Children of Israel until Jesus showed up. At the time of Jesus, the Children of Israel (not Jews) were scattered abroad throughout the world. Precisely when and where the word “Jew” came from, and how Jews had assimilated “Children of Israel” and supplanted a concept of Jewry that obtained when Jesus was born, is lost in antiquity.

But consider that Jesus Christ totally repudiated the Jews and called them a “generation of vipers.” Jesus never associated himself as a Jew, calling Himself mostly, “The Son of Man.” By totally repudiated, I mean that Jesus literally took away the mantle of “Chosen of God” that the Jews of His day and time were so steeped in and held forth as a verity, and handed that mantle to the Jew’s most loathesome adversary, the Gentile. The Jew considered the Gentile so filthy and despicable, according to Jewish law, that it was a criminal offense just to touch one.

And so, here we have Jesus Christ, Son of God, totally repudiating the Jews, calling them a generation of vipers and taking away the mantle of “chosen,” an appellative that they long had claimed as their own. Then, to top it all off, the Jews finagled Pontius Pilate into crucifying Jesus, crying as one, “Crucify Him! Crucify Him! His blood be on us and our children!”

To any Christian, Jesus’ total repudiation of the Jews and the Jews’ subsequent crucifixion of Jesus, should be taken as a pretty serious matter. After all, the Life of Jesus and what Jesus said and did is the very essence and life blood of Christianity.

#108518 by Robert

ROBERT, it’s pretty well known that the Mossad has pretty much taken over the CIA. I don’t know how many Mossad agents work directly for the CIA and draw wages (U.S. taxpayer expense), but there are A LOT of them. Most of them draw in the neighborhood of $75k to $100k.  How it works is Israel pays their wages and then bills the U.S. govt monthly.

Israel has pretty much taken over this country, in fact. And Israel did it by constantly whining and complaining about how tough the world is for them, sort of like ITZW demonstrated on this message board. Whining and complaining is born and bred into these people. No matter how good they have it, it is not good enough. There is always the “horrible” fact that some of them have died in wars that they, themselves, started. For example, did you know that prior to WWII (another war fomented and funded by Jews), the Jews declared war on Germany and urged all the Jews on the planet to join in? Yep, it is a historical fact. It’s little wonder that Hitler was plagued by “the Jewish Question.” 

There has been such a “Question” since this bunch began calling themselves Jews somewhere between the the time Moses lead the Children of Israel out of Egyptian bondage to the biblical point when Mordecai the Jew appears in Ruth. Since Mordecai the Jew there has been a very serious “Jewish Question.” That Question is: should all other humans bow down to the Jews as gods almighty, or should the Jews be repudiated for what they are and held in checkmate by some means or other? Because there are not two ways to the Jewish Question, only that one.

#108426 by cyrena

CYRENA, of course we missed you. I just thought you were busy.

Welcome back!

Here’s how I handled the easy way to find this thread. When you do find the page and pull it up for posting your comment, add the comment page to your “Favorites” (which also means “bookmark.) Then, if you go too long without getting a prompt that somebody posted, just go to your favorites and click on the page that was saved in your favorites file. It will pull it right up. It’s how I do it. I don’t even use the TD prompt, as it requires you to go through two TD pages. By using your Favorites you go directly to the posting page.

You will like Wayne Madsen.

AIPAC & ZIONISTS OCCUPY THE U.S. GOVERNMENT & CONTROL THE AMERICAN POLITICIANS.

Take a look at this short video ...ENJOY:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbkNHZt4r-k&NR=1

“Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories concerning the attacks of September the 11th; malicious lies that attempt to shift the blame away from the terrorists, themselves, away from the guilty”.

George W. Bush at U.N. on November 11, 2001

He seems pretty cock sure of the event, a month after it happened without all the evidence in.

Hi Peter, #108313

I just seached a bunch of stuff that I had saved from the Nuclear Breach of the B52’s, and just tried to post it, with the links. And, got the same response that comes up from time to time, during the past week.

“...You are not authorized to perform this action”.

It’s very odd, (like how I don’t get notifications any more.

So, we’ll see if this goes through.

Also, check on the name Todd Blue. One of the pilots. He was a young guy, sent home shortly after the incident, and died mysteriously.

It’s on the renser site.

Jezze Louise…

You guys were supposed to look out for me. Didn’t cha miss me?

Well, something’s gone goofy. TD is no longer notifying me when others comment on ANY article. (Yeah, I’ve got my box checked). It’s been like that all week.

So, while I can still post comments, I had to go digging through the archives, to find this thread. again. (do you think ITW had a part in it?)

Anyway, now I’m just catching up. I just read the part from Franker, on Wayne Madsen. The name sounds familiar. So, I’ll check him out.

Meantime, this is a video link that really impressed me. It’s like 62 minutes though. Mike Gravel talking to some googlers in Mountainview. Very informative.

And, don’t miss Pete Starks House floor bash of bush on the health care for kids. I do love him.

Anyway, here’s the Gravel video. The other one is on the front page..Congressman Blasts….

For a psychological antidote to the river of political diarrhea spewed from the likes of Nancy Pelosi, click on and watch this video of Mike Gravel speaking to a bunch of Googlers at their headquarters in Mountain View. It’s inspiring simply hearing someone saying the words no other politico will say but that we all know are true.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_OBslG2Arc

Thanks, A.Z., for your thoughtful reply. I have to confess that the main reason I am so quick on the uptake is that I learned not to believe anything a govt. agent says way back when I was seven years old. I have carried it with me all my life. If a govt. agent were to tell me it’s raining outside, I would would go look if I really needed to know for sure.

I have never been able to trust a govt. agent. This is because they all have agendas of some kind and they are all owned. Thus, they tell either what they are told to tell, or what they think they are supposed to tell, but never, ever, what is plainly the truth, unless they are explicitly cleared to tell the truth about a given subject, that is.

Thus, when I see any rigmarole in which the govt. is involved, my skepticism is burning even as I glance in that direction. I know the govt. will not tell the truth unless it is to a perceived best interest to do so, but if a lie is expedient, then it will roll out just as easily as the truth.

If you ever come in contact with a govt. law enforcement agent, you need, at the very least, to be wary at all times, even if it is your own brother. Don’t trust any govt. law enforcement agent implicitly unless you want to take a nose dive. Sorry, but this is just what the whole thing has come to finally. You have somehow awakened in The Twilight Zone. Don’t expect to see Rod Serling, however.

When those people lie, they have a built-in mechanism that tells them it is not really a lie because it is for the good of the “agenda.” If the agenda is served, then the truth, from their perspective, has been told, irrespective whether it was a blatant lie. It is the old “end justifies the means” argument. 99% of govt. employees related to law enforcement are afflicted with this mentality, that the end always justifies the means. It’s how many of them were able to coldly murder 3,000+ fellow citizens as though they were cattle.

It was an unspeakable crime, seditious in the extreme of that word, but the end will justify it somehow, as it always does.

PatrickHenry said:

“I think this is why Bush needs another distraction such as Iran.” (# 108318)

True, because his War of Lies Against the People of Iraq blew up in his face. Bush and his flunkies with their unprovoked war of aggression against Iraq , is, and will be,  a failure because people —no matter who they are— do not want OCCUPATION, and because this war, specifically, is based in origin and conception on lies, lies used to justify a sociopath’s lust for power and wealth.

Year after year, the people of Iraq have, and will continue to resist OCCUPATION. This is especially the case because Bush’s war has been launched on behalf of an self-delusion Empire as policy based on supremacy, plunder and ideological insanity.

Now Bush threatens a nuclear war against Iran and he threatens the world with a promise to initiate World War III if the brat doesn’t get his way. (He is a brat and worse than Hitler.)

So, I hope, in the not too distant future, to see the Bush gang and its’ political allies in the docket at the Hague all with dur process - investigated, charged, and tried for war crimes.
The Bush gang along with its’ Neonazicon flunkies has no justification. Nevertheless, it is their identity, is is who they are, it is their policy, and it is the god they worship—three beings in one: war, conquest, and occupation. It is their sliminess and their religion, their ideology and emblematic of the gang’s criminality.

~A. Z. Arrow
October 19, 2007

Re: #108313 by Peter RV

Peter, I have a systemic manner of getting in on the ground floor of things like the “lost nukes.” A friend of mine sent the news to me the moment it was reported. I wrote him back and told him what I thought it portended, as I told him that something was very wrong about that “accident.” I pointed out that the AF DOES NOT and NEVER HAS made mistakes like that on nukes, especially of that magnitude. It just does not happen. It CAN’T happen. There are too many redundancies built into the system for such a thing to happen accidentally in the manner the AF claimed. The AF DOES NOT get “lax” about armed nukes. This is especially true at this time, when the military is virtually on red alert all the time (as compared with 9-10-01.) My contact wrote back chagrined that he didn’t realize it and thanked me for the heads up. 

My “heads up” for my friend might have been the first refusal of anybody to swallow that story, as I saw nothing else on it for a while, then the walls came tumbling down.

A little known part of the story is that six nukes left at Point A, but only five were “discovered” at Point B. One of those nukes is unaccounted for. When the a/c was loaded at point of origin, it was hauled to an ordinarily secure part of the airfield, not “extra” or “ultra” ordinary as nukes require.

Since Israel has the entire security concession for all the nuclear weapons in the military, an Israeli security company was charged with “guarding” that a/c all night long, sitting on that airfield with its six, not five nukes aboard. Is it any wonder that the a/c reached its destination with only five nukes? One can expect that other nuke to be “found,” especially by the victims at ground zero when the mushroom cloud rises into the sky somewhere, probably in the United States in another false flag to justify something or other for the criminals running this govt.

“Muslims with box cutters” don’t steal a nuke without intending to use it. Oh, yes, the same Muslims that stole the nuke will be the same Muslims with box cutters that hit the WTC. FBI/CIA will find their box cutters and ID cards floating down out of the mushroom cloud over say, Washington, D.C., at a day and time that the entire upper echelons of govt will have coincidentally decided to visit distant relatives. GB and Cheney will probably be visiting China right then for fear they might snort some of the radiation if they remained somewhere in the U.S. It will just be another amazing coincidence that they all choose to vacate Washington (or wherever) just hours before “Al Queerdo” detonates the “stolen” nuke that the Israelis heisted from the U.S. Air Force while they were “guarding” it.

I’ll see what I can find for you about the
“misplaced” nukes you asked about.

P.S. There is a former Intel operative named Wayne Madsen that has a thing called the WMR (Wayne Madsen Report.) Do a search on the name. He is a good Intel source for the public, and he has been posting some good stuff about the nuke “accident.” I am pretty sure you will get an eye full on the story you seek, as Madsen still has plenty of contacts in all the Intel circles that keep him pretty well informed. He then informs the public.

O.K., I’ll say it, my best assessment: “an inside job” carried out by former espionage specialist who wired and exploded the Twin Towers and Building # 7, (a triple hi-tech demolition with only two of these buildings hit by airliners equipped with re-programmed flight computers), and while someone –with the highest level of military access- arranged for a Cruise Missile to blast into the Pentagon on a day that NORAD was place in stand-down mode, and while the military was preoccupied with thirty-four extraordinary (and diversionary) military exercises. PNAC had claimed to the world that their empire scheme needed “a new Pearl Harbor” and on 9/11 the criminal Cabal and their private contractors went into action.

The gang that did this did not carry box-cutters. They didn’t need them.

~A. Z. Arrow

Peter RV:

# 107808

Once again, thank you for a thoughtful reply.

My wife and some of my closest friends have undergone a similar metamorphosis. On 9/11 with five family members in the Towers,  my personal effort during that day was aimed at making contact (all my loved ones survived, how is that for good fortune) and by the end of that day only one family member was unaccounted for and thus still the center of emotional and intense concern. She was on the subway and she would have normally been getting out in the station under the Towers at the time when the first of these Towers collapsed. But her train ( as we later discovered) speed up before getting to that station and did not stop. It rocketed through at high speed. They had made about two blocks when the train started shaking with such violence that K thought it would fly apart. The tunnel filled with smoke and dust but the train continued. She got off and went back to see what happened.  K helped as best she could but became so overwhelmed that she spent the afternoon wandering about the city and watching people, glad to be alive.

K, still in a state of shock that evening left the city, and about 3AM she called.

On the following day, a friend informed me that a missile (not a airliner had hit the Pentagon). He told me that he based this on his experience in the military where he testing missiles. This allowed him to detect the differences between a chemical and a fuel explosion. He suggested that I seek out photos of the initial impact or photos of derby and that he would get back to me soon.

It was , if memory serves, the same day, or shortly afterwards, that I began to give thought to the inexplicable collapse of the third building (WTC # 7)  an began searching the news while seeking to pay attention to explanations for that building’s failure. There wasn’t much, as building # 7 was largely ignored in the media. So I asked myself -at first only speculatively- before starting factual research, why did WTC Building # 7 collapse?  I could not discover a valid cause (conceptually or factually) for its collapse. There was nothing about this event that made sense, nothing plausible, nothing reported subsequently, nothing related to the official version or to the media reports about the specific event of Building # 7.

It wasn’t until 2005 that Dr. Steven Jones issued hid report that it became factually obvious that Building # 7 was demolished by design. (Although, speculatively, explosives made logical sense even before independent science proved this to be the case.)

One question lead to another . . .  I think it is like that with everyone (given enough curiosity and concern), at least maybe it is. But, and perhaps equally important, it depends on what questions are asked. And , most important, what is the first question asked?  What aspect of a phenomena do we start with, and where does this lead, where does it take us. The time-frame of unmasking an untruth surrounding 9/11 is personal, one must expect that it will differs from person to person.

The more questions I asked and sought answers to, the more absurd the official account. So,  let me suggest, that it doesn’t hurt if one’s thought process is unconventional.  Equally, it is important to scrutinize one’s own thought and findings as well as scrutinizing the conventional account.

In terms of some of myother friends, who seem slow on the uptake -well patience has helped me.
Thanks for responding,

~A. Z. Arrow
October 19, 2007

Franker than Frank:

# 107578

In the period after 9/11 only a small minority of Americans maintained a critical perspective. Fewer yet, a skeptical stance about the events of that day. I see you did. So, in many ways, that does make you something of an Omega Man and singularly wise- but I am also glad to see you haven’t given up all hope about the potential(s) and possibilities of our species in its rare moments Step by step “the rest of the story” of 9/11 slowly dribbles out, it presenting itself because it must. The official lies told with such unbearable repetition -replete with box-cutters and demonic characters, good guys and bad guys, white hats and black hats, cowboys and “those savages”-  falls apart because such a lie is on the surface inadequate and cannot dislodge its own contradictions and anomalies: the official account sounds farcical and more-so each day. Truth seems, as Heraclitus said long ago,  like a river, it flows with a steady power and is renewed by rain and by springs and by new energy; in time all dams wash away and thus, by analogy,  all falsehoods are temporary. And it seems, likewise, in terms of the power of truth and reality and of the best aspirations in humanity in the historical universe also to be the case.. The world wants to know, they want to know what really happened on 9/11?  And because they do, American Neanderthals (other than the active ghouls that support Bush) must either evolve by being absorbed into the meaningful revelations of their advanced and critically minded neighbors —who are determine to set things right— or they become extinct along with the lies they believe. It is the same with those who would have us believe the fabricated explanation of 9/11, a falsehood postulated concurrent with the truths discovered by critical mind people with critical skeptical mind-states, and by a growing number of people that that no longer accept the hogwash of the corporate press and the devious corporate government (I call it “the military/corporate/debt complex”) and these discoveries bury their lie in fact and by immanent change.

During the past five years we have seen a growth in the percentage of Americans that seek to know who, what, where, and why? Today’ this American majority -yes, they can be tricked and fooled at times, for example over the events of 9/11, at least in the year 2001 . . . But that is no longer the case in 2007 as most Americans no longer believe the official propaganda or the official conspiracy tale about the specifics or about general explanation provided by the corporate media on the events of 9/11. At some point, the dam will break and the river will flood its banks,  but I am confidant, and optimistic—because truth can swim while lies drown.

Oh yes, your account of the Great White Hunter TOPOFF Chaney (reference to # 107744)  is classic and that comment deserves wide distribution in cyberspace as well as a Mark Twain award.  Thanks,

~A. Z. Arrow
October 19, 2007

There are too many coincidences surrounding 9/11 which merit further investigation, other than the official government one.

There were too many “canned” items of legislation passed, which as time goes on, greater scrutiny will be given by our nations professionals, the house of cards will inevitably fall.

I think this is why Bush needs another distraction such as Iran.

Re #107808 by Peter RV

PETER WROTE: “We have no choice but to continue to seek the truth-whatever time it takes.
When Government fails it is the patriotic duty of its citizens to take matters into their own hands. If NIST won’t or can’t explain #7 bldg mystery, we the people- can.”

http://prisonplanet.com:80/articles/october2007/161007_nist_admits.htm

Peter, above is a URL you may check regarding the most recent letter NIST officials wrote to the families of the WTC victims, in which NIST wrote, “We are unable to provide a full explanation of the total collapse.”

Obviously, they are not lying. “We are unable to provide…” 

The reason NIST is unable to provide a full explantion of the total collapse is also obvious: none of them want to be suicided, which is what would surely haoppen to them if they did not obey the criminals that are holding guns to their heads.
And so, basically, NIST has been kidnapped by the criminals and is being held for ransom, the ransom being bogus findings. For all anybody may know, black ops killers have talked to them all and told them that they and their families would be slaughtered. Don’t believe this could not be so. When one thinks about saying “this couldn’t be so,” one only need reflect on the 911 crime itself, where it was certainly “so” for more than 3,000 citizens. 

Apparently NIST has finally been compelled by science, alone, to admit that the fires in the building did not rise above 500 degrees in a totality.

The 911 house of cards is going to come tumbling down eventually and nothing on earth will be able to stop it. The sheer weight of truth will do the trick. You could also call it: “the light of day.”

Hey, Robert, by now you should have all the Zionist Israelis scratching their heads and wondering if the truth may finally out.

Speaking of which (and this may well be intricately tied to such atrocities as 911) have you lately considered The Great White Hunter, Dick Cheney, and his “hunting” antics?

Consider a telling practice of Dick Cheney, one of 911’s most highly suspect TOPOFF predators, “The Great White Hunter” himself. TOPOFF is an acronym for “Top Official,” a specially created name that “elite” politicians like to call themselves just to snuggle up closer to the flames of hubris that America’s slaves keep stoked so well for them (mostly by bowing down when any politician passes by.)

The Great White Hunter Cheney loves to hunt quail, which everybody must know by now are helpless, innocent little birds, even in the wild. But they are NOT HELPLESS ENOUGH in the wild, as little birds can hide pretty well in their habitat. And so Great White Hunter Cheney hires or otherwise intimidates confederates to go downrange of his pre-set hunting path with several cages filled with quail that were raised in cages all their lives. As Cheney walks his “hunting” path with his gold filigreed $80,000 designer shotgun that an admiring NRA org. gave him as a gift, agents downrange have planted cages of birds along the path and retire to a safe distance. When TOPOFF approaches, the agents remotely spring the cages open to frighten the “wild” birds into the air so that Great White Hunter Dick Cheney may raise his mighty shotgun and fire as madly as he desires into the cloud of quail as it bursts into the air. Cheney’s reflexes are surely challenged in such a moment, as frightened birds can be hard to hit even with a shotgun blast.

In a pinch, when nobody else is available, I would imagine Secret Service personnel “man the cages” in this manner so that said domesticated birds (rather than wild) offer America’s TOPOFF Cheney even less concern about possibly counterattacking and maybe even biting him or clawing him with talons.

Due to a reasonably cognizable concern that said quail could possibly attack and bite or scratch one of America’s TOPOFFs, the use of Secret Service agents for manning the bird cages would be credibly part of their jobs, right? Thus, American taxpayers would get a chance to pay their fair share for sating the deeper urges of one of its TOPOFF’s, a darkly forbidding urge that drives a bestial preoccupation with hurting nature’s small and helpless animals.

Would it be within the realm of reason to suppose there could be another kind of TOPOFF “hunting range” somewhere in America, one that is “Above Top Secret,” such as the closely guarded “Area 51,” the exception being that this “other Area 51” that might exist allows America’s TOPOFFs a “hunting” space where an even darker urge than butchering innocent birds just for the fun it allows the “hunting” of unarmed men, women and children in the same way they “hunt” quail in the “wild?”

In view of the state of knowledge presently available on the Internet through which all the world may plod systematically and see, what reasonable individual could say no even to uglier possibilities than the above that are entirely reasonable? Indeed, in the “state of the art” explored above in this vein, one may let one’s ugliest, most frightening imagination roam free.

The Israeli Military Aircraft
Company Tied To 9-11

By Christopher Bollyn

10- 15 -7

A little-known and privately-held aircraft leasing company created by the Israeli military intelligence is connected to the Mossad-run airport security and passenger screening company at the center of the “false flag” terror network of 9-11.
SOLVING 9-11
I am not like those who claimed to be 9-11 researchers, but who now say they have “moved beyond 9/11.” How can anyone abandon the pursuit of the truth about 9-11 before the crime has been solved? 
Six years after the terrorist attacks in which some 3,000 innocent people died, not one victim’s lawsuit has yet gone to trial. As a nation, Americans can not allow 9-11 to go unsolved.
How can we forget the hundreds of people who were roasted alive in the burning twin towers? How can we ignore the death and destruction that we, as a result, have wrongfully inflicted on the innocent people of Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon, and Palestine? 
Who can accept an unelected administration dragging our military from one illegal war to another in the utterly fraudulent “war on terror,” which they have promised will last for generations?
If we, as Americans and citizens of the world, don’t demand the truth of 9-11, who and what do we really stand for? Everything this administration has done for the past 6 years has been based on an unproven interpretation of the events of 9-11. 
What does it mean to be a citizen of “the land of the free and the home of the brave” if we allow our minds and our nation to be so easily hijacked by a pack of lies construed by a foreign power that terrorizes our citizens and extorts our government officials?
During the past few months, I have redoubled my efforts to solve 9-11. As the cover-up becomes more obvious and the guilty parties reveal themselves, this is the time to pile on the pressure, not give up.

http://www.rense.com/general78/issr.htm

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ZIONIST ZEITGEIST  
I cannot abide mass murder, occupation, and genocidal wars of aggression. Nor can I accept the corruption of our values and destruction of our basic American rights to suit an artificially imposed “war on terror.”
With the passage of time, it is now clear that 9-11 was carried out in order to kick-start the perverse Zionist Zeitgeist called the “war on terror” with its pre-planned wars of aggression and occupation.
In December 2001, veteran German intelligence professionals told me that 9-11 had been executed by a state-sponsored criminal network and had required years of planning.
Eckehardt Werthebach, the former president of Germany’s domestic intelligence service, Verfassungsschutz, told me in 2001 that “the deathly precision” and “the magnitude of planning” of the 9-11 attacks would have required “years of planning.”
Such a sophisticated operation, Werthebach said, would require the “fixed frame” of a state intelligence organization, something not found in a “loose group” like the one allegedly led by Mohammed Atta while he studied in Hamburg.
If Werthebach’s analysis is correct, which I have every reason to believe it is, the official version is nothing but a pack of lies. This would mean that the members of the criminal network are still in the highest positions of power in the U.S., Israel, and other nations.
The members of this network are dedicated to preventing the evidence from being released because the evidence would expose the real perpetrators. This is the only logical reason why the 9-11 evidence has been confiscated, the investigation controlled, and the litigation and discovery processes obstructed.   
At this point, it should be clear that 9-11 will never be solved by the federal government, the appointed investigators or law enforcement agencies, or the corrupt courts. These controlled agencies, like the Zionist-controlled media, are only interested in controlling the information and preventing the evidence from coming out.
This crime will only be solved by concerned and dedicated independent researchers.
THE ZIONIST STRATEGY
9-11 was a very sophisticated operation, as Werthebach said, which required the “fixed frame” of a state intelligence organization. It was carefully planned years in advance and carried out for one strategic purpose: to kick-start the Zionist-planned “war on terror.”
The rabid Neo-Con Zionists who have dominated the Bush administrations pushed the “war on terror” with its criminal wars of aggression, occupation, and Balkanization in the Middle East as the strategic response to 9-11. The Zionist media moguls, who dominate the U.S. mass media, have in turn pushed the “war on terror” into the public mind as the suitable and proper response to 9-11.   
An Israeli official named Oded Yinon revealed the Zionist strategy to Balkanize the entire Middle East into ethnic mini-states in the early 1980s. The plan for a global “war on terror” to accomplish this goal has been articulated since the mid-1980s ad nauseam by Benjamin Netanyahu, the former Israeli prime minister of the extreme right-wing Likud party. The Israeli military’s plans to realize these strategic goals have obviously been in the works for at least three decades.

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THE HOAX OF 9-11
9-11 is, in fact, a gigantic hoax on the world. Only by exposing the terrorist masterminds behind 9-11 will we reveal the criminals behind the fraudulent “war on terror” and epidemic of “false flag” terrorism that plagues the world.
False flag terrorism is a crime of terrorism designed by the architects to be blamed on their enemy. The media outlets, which the criminals control, facilitate the blame game by repeating the chorus from the script and stifling any independent investigation or analysis of the crime.
9-11, after all, remains an unsolved crime. It is, however, quite obvious who is responsible for blocking discovery and obstructing justice for the victims and their relatives. At every critical point where the events and circumstances of 9-11 should have been investigated and discussed, there has been a Zionist, a dedicated devotee of the State of Israel, occupying the key position and acting as the controller and censor of evidence ­ the gatekeeper of information. 
I have seen this pattern in earlier cover-ups. The same pattern was used with the sinking of Estonia in the Baltic Sea (1994) and the U.S. government’s (NTSB) investigation of the downing of TWA Flight 800, two of the most egregious examples of government cover-ups in modern times.
In each case, the three critical phases of the cover-up: investigation and access to evidence, media interpretation of the event, and related litigation, were all tightly controlled to prevent any meaningful discovery of what had really caused the disaster.
The people who are preventing the discovery of the facts in such cases are actually complicit in covering-up crimes of mass murder.
Logically, there can be no reason for dedicated Zionists to obstruct the investigation of 9-11 other than to conceal the evidence of Israeli and Zionist involvement in the crimes.
The FBI, for example, under the command of the Israeli dual-national Michael Chertoff, is responsible for the confiscation of the crucial evidence from 9-11, evidence which has been withheld for than 6 years. This evidence includes video tapes of the Pentagon attack and physical pieces from the different aircraft involved.
This evidence is critical to prove what happened and which aircraft were involved in the attacks ­ but the FBI has refused to release this evidence. Neither President George W. Bush nor the U.S. Congress has demanded that they do so. 
The appointed federal judges Alvin K. Hellerstein and Michael B. Mukasey, and the former assistant attorney general Michael Chertoff, who now heads Homeland Security, have not worked for 6 years to hide the critical evidence and block discovery in order to protect fanatical Arab Muslims or conspiratorial Jesuits. The efforts of these dedicated Zionists have been exerted to protect Israel, the foreign state to which they are whole-heartedly devoted. 
The 9-11 cover-up is now full-blown and their role in it obvious. The players who are involved in obstructing justice are known. At this point, patriotic Americans must not abandon the pursuit of the truth. For those who died on 9-11 and in its aftermath, for our nation and our posterity, we are obliged to find those who are responsible for the crimes and cover-up of 9-11.

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THE EVIDENCE OF ISRAELI INVOLVEMENT
I have pursued the leads of Israeli involvement simply because the evidence indicates that the Israeli military and intelligence had prior knowledge of 9-11, which indicates involvement.
The five jubilant Israeli Mossad agents who were caught celebrating and filming themselves in front of the destruction of the World Trade Center and their subsequent public statements indicate that the Mossad had prior knowledge. 
The text message warnings of the attacks sent over the Mossad-controlled Odigo instant messaging system several hours prior to the attacks are further evidence of Israeli prior knowledge.
Furthermore, the Israelis have a long history of committing “false flag” terror attacks, particularly against American targets. The Israeli attack on the USS Liberty in 1967 and the Israeli terrorist bombings of U.S. and British civilian targets in Egypt during the 1954 Lavon Affair are the first that come to mind.
If the evidence indicated that Saudis, Pakistanis, or even Jesuits were behind the attacks, I would investigate them. The evidence, however, points to Israelis being involved ­ so I look there.
There has been no independent investigation of 9-11 done by the controlled media other than Carl Cameron’s now deeply buried four-part series on FOX News in December 2001. Think about this for a minute. The mass media in the land of the “free press” has not done any independent investigation about the crime of the century.
The evidence of Israeli involvement in 9-11 is too obvious so senior editors in the controlled media don’t let their journalists even approach the subject. The journalists of the “free press” in the United States are, unfortunately, confined to the same “Auschwitz of the Mind” as the American public they write for. They know very well that to touch the subject of Israeli involvement in 9-11 would be like touching a live wire.
Likewise, when it comes to tracking the Israeli criminal network that has operated in the United States for decades, the U.S. media is simply a dog that won’t bark - or hunt.
The extent of Zionist control over the U.S. mass media, including the Internet, is astounding. The mass media has effectively prevented most Americans from understanding who is really behind the false flag terror attacks of 9-11, and, by extension, the illegal and genocidal wars in Afghanistan, Palestine, Lebanon, and Iraq.
The controlled media has left Americans with an extremely distorted view of the Middle East, Zionism, and the history of the Zionist state, Israel.

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ISRAEL - A TERRORIST STATE
Israel is a nation which was founded by terrorists, ruthless men with histories of committing genocidal crimes and false flag terror attacks. Israel was created in 1948 in Palestine on land that had been “ethnically cleansed” of its indigenous Christian and Muslim inhabitants.
Ariel Sharon, the former prime minister who is reportedly being kept in a controlled coma, is also a prime example of an Israeli terrorist. Sharon came to power in early 2001, about the same time as Bush, some eight months before 9-11.
Sharon is a well-known terrorist and genocidaire who has been personally involved in numerous terrorist atrocities, such as the 1982 massacre in Sabra and Shatila refugee camps, in which thousands of innocent people were massacred. Sharon is a Zionist extremist who believes that every Jew should live in Israeli occupied-Palestine. 
Realistically, what else besides terrorism and bloodshed should one expect from such fanatical and genocidal terrorists?
The sons and daughters of the original Zionist terrorists now occupy the highest positions of power in the Israeli government. Tzipora Malka “Tzipi” Livni, for example, the current Foreign Minister and Acting Prime Minister of Israel, is the daughter of the former terror chief of the Irgun.
Born in Tel Aviv in July 1958, “Tzipi” is the daughter of Eitan Livni (a.k.a. Yerucham Bzozowitch from Grodno) a Polish-born Irgun terrorist associated with the King David Hotel bombing.
Steven Erlanger, writing about Livni in a New York Times article entitled “Israel’s Top Envoy,” dated February 5, 2006, said:
Tzipi Livni, 47, is the first woman to serve as Israel’s foreign minister since Golda Meir. Some think she may be the first since Ms. Meir to be prime minister.
She is also a deeply Israeli figure, the daughter of Zionist guerrillas - terrorists in some eyes - who met in the Irgun, the underground organization that fought the British and the Arabs, and that blew up the British headquarters in the King David Hotel in 1946, killing 91 people.
Her father, Eitan, was the Irgun’s head of operations, and on his gravestone is the map of Greater Israel, extending over both sides of the Jordan River.
Erlanger suggests that blowing up a hotel full of people in Jerusalem and killing 91 is only a terrorist act “in some eyes.”
The unprovoked Israeli attack on the USS Liberty in 1967, which killed 34 U.S. servicemen and wounded many more, is another example of Israeli false flag terrorism. Dedicated Zionists will either deny or defend these acts of Israeli false flag terrorism as the “pragmatic” thing to do and attack those who disagree as anti-Semitic.
FALSE FLAG TERROR - AN ISRAELI SPECIALTY
False flag terror acts are an Israeli specialty, as Dr. Kaasem Khaleel points out in his book Wrongly Blamed (2007).
“Public terror was invented by the Israelis,” Khaleel wrote citing Christopher Sykes’ book Crossroads to Israel:
To achieve their political goals, Zionists are dependent on terror. These terror acts are used as a distraction. Even though the Israelis are the sources, they effectively blame others. The fabricated terror they commit is an assault on people’s intelligence. Thus people are being purposely misled regarding the real source of these crimes.
The Zionist-controlled media has “purposely misled” the public about 9-11 for the same reason as the Zionist judges, investigators, and commissioners: to protect the evidence of Israeli involvement from being exposed.
The controlled U.S. media works with the Zionist criminal network and allows it to flourish by failing to investigate, identify, or report on the companies and individuals involved.

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THE PLANES OF 9-11
9-11 was an act of false flag terror in which four allegedly “hijacked” airplanes were used as weapons of mass destruction. There are, however, many unanswered questions about the airplanes involved.
There are many observations about these planes which suggest they were not the civilian airliners they are said to have been. The plane that struck the South Tower, for example, had shapes, bulges, and holes which have led many analysts to believe it was a Boeing 767-300 refueling tanker that had been disguised as a 767-200 United Airlines passenger jet.
Durable parts from the two jets that struck the twin towers, such as landing gear and engines, landed on the streets of Manhattan. On these engines and landing gear are many numbered time-tracked parts which could prove precisely which aircraft they had been put on and when they had been serviced, but the FBI has refused to present this evidence to make its case. Why wouldn’t the FBI present this evidence if it had it?
The only possible explanation for the FBI’s failure to present this evidence is that the evidence does not match the planes they say hit the buildings or “crashed” in Pennsylvania.
If the planes that were involved in the attacks on the World Trade Center were, in fact, not United Airlines Flight 175 and American Airlines Flight 11, but remotely-controlled tankers painted to look like civilian aircraft, who could have produced such disguised planes and inserted them into the NORAD anti-terrorism exercise that was taking place in the airspace of the East Coast on the morning of 9-11? 
ISRAEL AIRCRAFT INDUSTRIES (IAI)
Given the evidence of Israeli prior knowledge, the obvious questions are: “Did the Israelis have the means to carry off such a complex operation? And if they had the means, is there a link between their capability and the events of 9-11?”
The answer to both questions is yes.
The Israeli military and intelligence agency have long had the capability to convert and disguise large-body aircraft in the United States and their companies that do this kind of work are connected to ICTS, the Israeli airport security company that is a prime suspect in the “false flag” terrorism. ICTS is also a key defendant in the 9-11 litigation.
The Israeli military has spawned several aircraft leasing and maintenance companies in the United States since the late 1960s. There is, in fact, a network of Israeli-controlled aviation companies operating in the United States which were all started by Israel Aircraft Industries (IAI), now known as Israel Aerospace Industries.
Israel Aircraft Industries is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Israeli Defense Ministry, which produces and maintains planes and missiles.
One of the Israeli military’s aviation companies spawned in the United States is, or was an aircraft leasing company named ATASCO, which began operating in the United States in the early 1970s.