The evidence for 911 continues to grow, the only question is when and how a new formal investigation to be conducted.

http://www.911blogger.com/node/13149

Re: PARTs I and II, A.Z. Arrow

AZ, I don’t support, nor participate in the current political system in this country or any that are currently in the world, especially heavily centralized ones. Having learned and realized that politics is what is wrong in the world, I turned my back on all political systems a long time ago.

The “Ideacracy” I mentioned several posts back has been asserting itself since about the 60’s. It has been pushing the dinosaurs (such as what has passed for “democracy” heretofore, but which was actually far from it) over the cliff the whole time, and I estimate it will be full blown in a few more years, like from about 2012-13 on.  It is the very thing that has been putting all the world’s systems to the ultimate test recently. The Ideacracy is the ultimate system and man has evolved into it. I expect that it will displace all the world’s governments. I say good riddance. They are little but cesspools of corruption, anyway.

AZ, I don’t support the current political system in this country or any that are currently in the world, actually, especially heavily centralized ones. Having learned and realized that politics is what is wrong in the world, I turned my back on all political systems a long time ago.

The “Ideacracy” I mentioned several posts back has been asserting itself since about the 60’s. It has been pushing the dinosaurs (such as what has passed for “democracy” heretofore, but which was actually far from it) over the cliff the whole time, and I estimate it will be full blown in a few more years, like from about 2012-13 on.  It is the very thing that has been putting all the world’s systems to the ultimate test recently. The Ideacracy is the ultimate system and man has evolved into it. I expect that it will displace all the world’s governments. I say good riddance. They are little but cesspools of corruption, anyway.

PART ONE

>It is a sign of the Decline and Fall of the United States Empire that controversy surrounding 9/11 was NOT a Major issue in the primary contests in Iowa or New Hampshire. AVOIDANCE of the Truth that smolders behind the dominance of the Bush Gang an the six years of rule in Congress by the phony patriots of the Republican Party strip and the democratic warmongers( I exempt Ron Paul and Dennis Kucenech, CHuck Hegel and Senators Feingold, mUrtha, an BYd from my harsh judgment).

>>>None the less, these are some MINIMUM STANDARDSI have and thast I use to make a favorable selection of SUPPORT for a candidate to CONGRESS and/or the Presidency this coming year:

1.I will support a Candidate that IS committed to real economic/political Equality. -Equality beyond “Opportunity” to an equal right to survive and prosper (a guarantee of nutrition, Shelter, social progress, and FOR a universal PREVENTIVE CARE SYSTEM-and to UNIVERSAL PUBLIC health CARE and INSURANCE as well as support for a public retirement PENSION plan for ALL American citizens.

2.a candidate that stands in opposition to warfare and to spending our tax revenue on the Military-Debt-Complex, or spending on warfare equipment and troops; or wasting public wealth on war, I will support a candidate that is willing to bring an immediate end to the War of Aggression Against the People of Iraq, and to a candidate that constantly voices opposition to any type of current or future combat with Iran, specifically, aerial warfare.

3.to a candidate that will promises to INCREASE SPENDING and will support legislation and give priority to:

    (A) Universal PUBLIC EDUCATION through college,(Including Public physical culture,  SCHOLORLY, and ATHLETIC “progressive” education) as an alternative to the wonderlands of ”no child left behind”with its’ -with emphasis on testomania and quantophenia rejected.

    (B) ADVANCEMENT OF *STEM CELL RESEARCH,

( C) increased funding on research for the PHYSICAL and ORGANIC sciences;

(D) CULTURAL EXCHANGE PROGAMS AND on for a “Peace Department” with PEACE institutions of government as a substitute to war-making and war preparation.

    (E) A candidate committed TO funding scientific RESERCH and the development of NEW SOURCES OF ENERGY AND FUEL production (such as BLACKLIGHT plasma, WATER POWERED AUTOMOBILES, COLD FUSION, for SOLAR and MAGNETIC ENGERGIES to be used for the mass production of ELECTRICAL POWER ) as well as funding other promising source.

~A.Z.ARROW
1/4/08

PART TWO

  4.THAT CALLS FOR AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION INTO THE   EVENTS   AND to discovery of CRIMINAL RESPONSIBILITY FOR 9/11!

5.THAT PROMISIS INCREASED FUNDING for THE PROFORMING AND   EXPRESSIVE ARTS.

6.A COMMITMENT to DE-RACIALIZE THE UNITED STATES. There are hundred of measures to accomplish this.

7. A CANDIDATE committed to RE-INDUSTRIALIZE production, and supports A GOVERNMENT GARRANTEE of a job at a LIVING EAGE FOR EVERY WORKER , and for every American, and to Bringing an end to OUTSOURCING of CAPITAL, JOBS, AND INDUSTRY.

      8. committee to STOPING THE EXPORT OF JOBS and bring an END to THE         COPORATE IMPORT OF ILLEGAL AND SUBSTITUTE WORKERS.
 
      9.A CANDIDATE that is willing to advance the deployment (The technical   means   already exit) for a nation wide MASS PUBLIC TRANSPORT system—-I.E., A NATIONAL   RAIL, electric shuttle, and new TROLLY TRANSPORT   SYSTEM.
 
      10.A candidate that SUPPORTS A COHERENT PROPSAL for an independent   NATION of PALESTINE

  11. a candidate that is willing to bring war crimes indictments against Bush, Cheney &    company.

>>>These ten criteria indicate that a candidate stands on a progressive -pro- “Working Class platform” ‘AND is politically in opposition to the Plunder-Elite and will work to end the Expansionist American/Israeli EMPIRE of Military AGRESSION, OCCUPATION AND WAR PROFITERRING.

>>>Now you know where I stand. Not sure everyone agrees.But I hope so. Sometimes it is better just to put it out for the sake of CLEARITY.

>>>Whats YOUR BASIS OF SUPPORT,if any?

~A. Z. Arrow

January 4, 2008

It is costing us allot.  We should know the executive committee that is driving the United States towards tyranny, nuclear war, and financial ruin. The Neonazicons and Bushites are a threat to the free exercise of our Rights as American citizens. We must fight them and pull the world back from the brink.

We want our money back!

Comment by A.Z. Arrow

12-26-07

The Corporate Media is keeping the American people ignorant of the underlying realities and immediate threat of war.

Missiles deployed next to Russia’s boarders and aimed at the Russian people is an offensive move. This amounts to barefaced aggression, that combined, as it is, with the Bush Gang’s thrust into central Asia—when taking together as a single political phenomena in time and space— is a policy of encirclement, the sum of which can only be understood objectively as the positioning of missiles in Eastern Europe for a first strike offense against Russia .

Today’s headlines indicates that the Bush administration has succeeded in their aggressive effort to initiate a new round of wasteful cold-war type arms spending on top of the existing expense of the Iraq war and new levels of waste created by the corporate-military-debt complex for the purpose of Empire Expansion in Eurasia.* INSANITY! The Bush gang and the Neonazicons must be placed in the docket and charged with war crimes and extraordinary crimes against humanity. US citizens must order the arrest of the Corrupt Elite and brake the back of the Fascistic Corporate State (control of political representation and elections by corporate lobbyist with a neo-fascistic ideology, for examples—Bushism and AIPAC; Bushism and the oil, pharmaceutical, the banking, and finance lobbies   with Congress and the Bush gang; Bushism and the Corporate-Military-Debt-Complex and the Federal and State governments; Bushism and the Neonazicon’ political organizations along with their “think tanks:” Bushism and the the corporate media: the Bush administration and religious fanatics).

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· The Cost of Bush’s War against the People of Iraq at $ 477,819,697,187. Also, According to Nobel economist Joseph Stiglitz, the “Social Cost of this War” for “replacement of equipment, medical care, family crisis, job loses, etc” now approaches Two Trillion Dollars.

Federal deficits versus increases in the federal debt
Fiscal year Reported surplus/deficit Debt increase

Debt at start of year Debt at year’s end

2000 $236.2 billion surplus $23.2 billion $5.606 trillion $5.629 trillion

2001 $128.2 billion surplus $141.2 billion $5.629 trillion $5.770 trillion

2002 $157.8 billion deficit $428.5 billion $5.770 trillion $6.198 trillion

2003 $377.6 billion deficit $561.6 billion $6.198 trillion $6.760 trillion

2004 $412.7 billion deficit $594.7 billion $6.760 trillion $7.355 trillion

2005 $318.3 billion deficit $550.6 billion $7.355 trillion $7.905 trillion

2006 $248.2 billion deficit $546.1 billion $7.905 trillion $8.451 trillion

2007 $162.8 billion deficit $497.1 billion $8.451 trillion $8.949 trillion

~A. Z. Arrow

Thanks Franker than Frank. I think your are right about the use of the Internet as a vehicle or extended neural network, as “a species neural system.”  Your contribution and intelligence is an informed example of this.  ~A.Z.

#122318 by A. Z. Arrow, Parts I,II,III,IV,V.

10-4, AZ. For other “readers” I don’t speak, but for me, I await the right moment as all the forces are aligned in just the right way. At this juncture one has to be moved by perfect timing or one is lost in the stampede at the starting gun. I will know when it is time, as I’ve been here before and I knew the time then. One’s attitude is all-important. Keep yours and don’t waver. And await the time.

The Internet came into being to this very purpose, a species neural system evolution not only to defeat (by operating as a beefed up immune system) what turns out to be an invasion quite like a deadly virus invading a single human organism, but to “metastasize” ideas throughout all necessary components of humanity as though human thought were a kind of bloodstream. To this end, the Internet must come of age, that is, mature to perfection, before it may be employed as an integral part of the organism (humankind) for which it evolved. And so, while your plea does not fall on “deaf ears,” so to speak, it still falls outside the scope of the right moment. But don’t let that stop you from keeping on keeping on, as the right attitude is the most vital component man has at his disposal at this time.

Greater forces than man are at work here and the Bush/Cheney/Neocon/Israeli gang is “under the gun” at least as much as said criminal cartel has the gun in its hand.

PART ZERO

Preview (and a corrected first sentenve to the next message).

Bush and Cheney are NOT “enemy combatants” as a friend suggested today, but War Criminals and Murderers.

CHRISTMAS EVE December 24, 2007

A. Z. Arrow

>

PART ZERO

Christmas Eve,12/24/ 2007

Preview (and a corrected first sentence for the next part of this message):

>> Bush and Cheney are not “enemy combatants” as a friend suggested today, but War Criminals and Murderers.

A. Z. Arrow

>

>A Christmas eve message:

PART ONE

Bush and Cheney are nor “enemy combatants” as a friends suggested today, but War Criminals and Murders.

The phrase “enemy combatant” has no standing in International Courts. It is a fiction created by the Bush gang and is currently used by Neonazicon ideologues because it allows these rightist (via the Bush administration and the U.S. Courts) to undermine the Geneva Convention and because it validates their lies and is used as cover in the treatment of prisoners of war. The Geneva Convention has stipulations about the treatment of the interned as well as covering treatment of captured soldiers in battle, and the Convention establishes Articles and these apply to the treatment of civilians in war time via established protocols, understandings, conventions, agreements, and stipulations, also recognized in formal treaties that cover military prisoners and conditions of civilian status along with other related obligations during wartime, armistice, and in peacetime.

The United States is a signatory to the Geneva Convention.

The Neonazicon and the Bush gang, along with corporate and financial gangsters for which they speak are co-conspirators in the current War, soon to be many wars or a World War, growing out of their desperate War for Conquest: they are co-conspirators in war profiteering and in mass murder on behalf of privatized investment and extension of the Capitalist Empire that benefits leading corporate contractors, military producers, war profiteers, plunderers, power brokers, and a handful of trillionaires that aim to impose their will on the world. So, these thugs are not “combatants” as such, although they are definitely WAR CRIMINALS.

The Bush Gang war-mongers (supported by most of Congress, the Justice Department, the State Department and the Federal Courts) have violated the Geneva Convention and have ignored the Nuremberg protocols: in the past they have, and are presently implicated in the events of 9/11 and this has been shown by 9/11 Truth and others: the Bush Gang has launched their illegal War of Aggression Against the People of Iraq in violation of several international treaties of agreement that “make their wars of Aggression” “illegal:” the Bush Gang has moved against the will of the American people: they have subjected the Iraqi people to “Shock and Awe” and to an ongoing military OCCUPATION: and, as we now know, they have lied to American people over and over about WMD and the “necessity” for a Crusade: meanwhile, the Bush Gang has covered their crimes with government and corporate secrecy based on a phony excuse about “national security” while working against real security of this nation and against it’ people: Bush & Company (the gang”) have distorted the “national interests” of the United States as though these were somehow identical with their self-and-class-interest alone, as if the nation of the United States is something separate from an informed and knowledgeable American people or with an empowered democratic public rather than the dictates and criminal activities of the Criminal Cabal: the Bushites and their “League of the Unjustice” have willfully sought to destroy the future of human community and have moved to endanger, and, ultimately to wipe-out all species life on planet Earth.

PART TWO

The Bush administration (with support from members of Congress and the Courts) are enemies of free speech, they have the guidance of assorted Rightist “think tanks” and thug like David Horowitz as well organized support from fanatical group of Neonazicon ideologues as well as a passive non-interference from folks that don’t know any better: the combination of the leadership of these forces are known as the Criminal Cabal, and I should say, have jointly launched the current War of Aggression as well as 9/11: they are currently working to create a domestic police state and to

(A) establish a World Empire through Conquest (as outlined by PNAC along with direction from the sympathetic Cheney/Rumsfeld doctrine and organizations),

(B) have sought to advance tyranny and a docile, chipped, and controlled population within an Orwellian fascistic type society,

( C) have worked to destroy human and civil rights -specifically by their “legal” and political attack on The Bill of Rights,

(D) have used their War of Aggression Against the People of Iraq as a first step to establish control of Iraqi political institutions and society through “divide and conquer,”

(E) and have used United State military and bribed, dumb-downed and dependent allies to dictate the Constitution and its laws to the nation of Iraq, they have used violence and fraud to dominate Iraqi political and social institutions, including training of “police” and death squads to destroy its ’ indigenous culture and to make the human spirit dependent, they have finagled to control Iraqi markets by means of privatization of its’ petroleum, banking, finance, agricultural, electricity production, water, roads, trucking, industry, airlines and communication systems (corporate media), and by using bribes to exploit Iraqis economic structure of trade and markets by controlling the lion’s share of all good and services and to control “the rules of a (rigged) game,” by the taking of profit, by the use of financial control and banking pressure aimed to boast political domination while extracting wealth via legal and political domination of exploitable sectors of human labor-power (the source of wealth) and natural recourses (the material foundation), throughout Iraqi society, culture an persons at gunpoint.

PART THREE

Ray McGovern provides a summary of the Empire thrust when he refers to the War Against the People of Iraq as,

1.      for Oil,
2.      for Israel,
3.      for Logistics

The work of Ray McGovern and his former CIA associates (much the same as the extensive analysis of Chalmers Johnson, Mike Whitney, and warnings by Gore Vidal) are pedagogical rather than propagandistic, they hope to provide the American people with a workable summary and clear general outline –coming from a deeper understanding—of the inner workings of the American Empire by exposing some of its’ dominant features, maneuvers and connections. They avoid gross oversimplifications about this war such as the claim that “its cause,” as such, “is all about oil” or “about George Bush’s relation to his father” or speculation about “the US military testing new weapons systems” or about “Cheney’s business connection with Halliburton” because, while these symptoms are typical in most Empires and thus re-appear along the time-line of Empire, these analyst see beyond these momentary phenomena, and look instead, to the inner structure, dynamics, and operational principles of Empire Gangsterism and to its planned thematic: they watch the American Empire expand along with its growing internal contradictions: the three writers mentioned avoid the pitfalls of “political and/or economic determinism,” by a sensitivity to context and audience, by a use of history and sociology –they investigate reality as a critique of policy (they look at intention and motive) and often base their criticism largely on an unstated methodology that draws on a multi-variable analysis and multi-leveled assessments of the aggregates and crimes of Empire in terms of its’ inner and outer dynamic, its’ structure, and they do this as public watchdogs that aim to expose the asserted principles of power, and policies of Empire from the perspective of critics, as opponents, skeptics and scientist, and as artist.

Rather than isolating a single cause with everything else explained as an effect, these opponents and critics of Empire investigate the range of organized, unorganized, and adjacent conditions of real phenomena in a field of empirical events and facts and thus use this knowledge to expose the interrelated complexity of these causes that lead to these Wars of Aggression and Empire and manifest its’ attendant gangster-ism and its’ acts of aggression, murder, occupation, its’ political slime, by intensely watching persons, organizations, institutions, and by analyzing real forces and policies; they watch its’ flow of money, tends, culture, and ideas –and they taking into account both material and contextual conditions as well as human needs that shape-up in contradistinction to the inhuman principles used as excuse and untruth by our enemy to advance, as well as justify, the Empire of Capitalist Inequality-Domination-Privatization and Exploitation—the American Empire that now launches wars for fun, profit and conquest. These opponents do this as critics of this dominant American Empire and its’ institutions and values. And these critics are positive because they also defend the United States Constitution and The Bill of Rights. And when and if the Tyranny is allowed to become full-blown it could be curtains for the critics. But these critics are also politically organizers and they are artist of differing talents and skill.

PART FOUR

My point is, rather than using “enemy combatants” let’s name the Bush gang, and the Neonazicons, what they really are - WAR CRIMINALS. They stand historically in the long line that marched behind the Pharaoh’s and history’s tyrants, and now they defend the madhouse of nuclear chicken, the line of Neo-Fascist Tyrants and pin-headed degenerates that are Suppressors of Humanity.

Speaking of opposition, I read somewhere that there is at least one indictment for war crimes that has been placed into the German Courts. So there exits one example of formal charge . . . thus, for American, one political task of the people is to support this indictment while working on other multiple fronts in order to help bring these War Criminals to trial, and, ultimately, to justice: the chorus line of Neonazicons that dance beside the Bush Gang, their tap dancing profiteers, plunderers and cheering pirates, the lobbyist that support the Corporate Domination Show (with 24 hours of uninterrupted commercials) gyrate together for a corrupt government and private interest and concentrated monopoly that they call “freedom.” Their freedom is our cage. Our aim must be to place them “all together” “all for one,” as they say, in the docket within the International Courts of Justice that are established to try War Criminals -to try the Criminal Cabal essentially for War Crimes against Iraqis and Americans, and for 9/11, and on behalf of the tortured.

People around the world must see that we Americans judge these crooks and warmongers as harshly as they do, because we must realize that the U. S. government and its’ corporate masters are subjectively unable to self-investigate, objectively unable to self-regulate or to stop their War Crime behavior and conduct. They should be made convicts. These culprits have gleefully initiated their War of Aggression Against Iraq and have purposefully carried out the murder of more than a million Iraqis and a reported four thousand or more American citizens: the American people must call this “Government” of this Bush era to JUSTICE.

PART FIVE

We must either take them to The Hague or initiate a Revolution that throws the bums and murders out. That choice must be placed before the American people. It is up to the American people to end the Neonazicon’ warmongering tyranny, to close this era, and to bring their fascist design, their asses and its’ Empire aggression to an end.

Listen-up! George Bush and fellow gang members “YOU ARE ARRESTED.” These are the only words that carry the weight and resolution necessary to solve the threat from the Neonazicon fascist and the Bush gangster’s administration. Dear reader, I ask, do you have the teeth or the badge to make this arrest?

The current system cannot be reformed. The corporate parasites who control it will not voluntarily give up their power or the loot they have stolen. Look how the financial cost of running for office has become more expensive and largely prohibitive with each new “election” cycle. The Establishment and the Piratical Elite have, an emergency back-up plan; they have the means to fix the outcome of elections and to rig the vote count. Being elected to national and state office is now reduced to airing commercials. The fix is in, the vote count can’t count when it need not count for the capitalist thieves; and it is, has been, and can be hacked or pre-programmed to the advantage of the establishment (capitalist) selection of candidates for office. “Elected” representatives are bribed by hordes of corporate and finance lobbyist that do the biding of the Plunder Elite, who via surrogates and lawyers write the laws and regulations, including the election laws state by state, and these flunkies insure domination of the Party Duo-opoly the structure is fixed to insure that the dominant parties cannot be voted out of power.

So, I ask the reader: You’ve seen what needs to be done, so you can tell the rest of us how to do it.

We need practical, perhaps revolutionary, solutions.

You have an opportunity to tell the rest of us exactly what needs to be done –when and how. Further, you have the responsibility to tell us exactly how it can be done. We all have some idea of the problem, we need solutions, so what is next?

I am optimist.

A. Z. Arrow

1/24/2007

#121312 by A. Z. Arrow

Sounds like a good movie, I hadn’t heard of it until now.  Must check it out.

Re: #121312 by A. Z. Arrow

Thanks for that reference, AZ.  Although I certainly don’t need it to prove anything to me (as I knocked the whole caper off the moment I heard it, even before I had blinked my eyes, like, instantaneously. I will acquire “Zeitgeist” just to keep and possibly show close friends.

Now for #121147 by Inherit The Zionist Poot

Ha, ha, ha. I love your hate, pottie poot. Would you please give me more? It is almost like food for me.
Your antics and those of your ilk have supplied me with many hours of laughter as you take yourselves so seriously, even to the extent of calling yourselves “The Chosen.” Ha, ha, ha. The whole lot of you would not make a pimple on the butt of the Real Chosen, of which I am #1. Yes, God conversed with me one time (sort of like He did Moses, even employed a burning bush) and told me that the Jews have never been chosen by anybody but their own reproductive organs because that’s where their heads always are, in their crotches and shoved up anuses. He said that you folks take yourselves way to seriously, and that we Real Chosen were in the shoes that that you wannabe’s, the Jews, only pretend to be wearing.

Sorry, hoss, but it’s what God told. And you know, God’s Word is final. How may I alter it? I couldn’t have argued your case for you even if I had wanted (which I didn’t want, of course,) because I would have been arguing with God after He came all the way from On High just to converse with me, His Numero Uno. Why do you suppose I have this surplus of intellect? It’s because God gave it to me, right? Why did He give it to me? To be Hisw Numero Uno, of course. Ha, ha, ha.

Now be a good dog and go sit in the corner and lick yourself, ITZP.

I normally do not make movie recommendations. Today I make and exception.

I watched it last night.

A friend sent me a DVD with the title “ZEITGEIST” ( I roughly translate this from Deutsch as “spirit of ‘these’ times.”). It is a stunning documentary and in one portion it provides personal testimony by firemen that survived the collapse of the Twin Towers on 9/11.  These NYC firemen were located, for the most part, in the sub-basement floors or in the streets nearby and they witnessed, as they tell us, what happened -that they felt and heard and experienced demolition explosions (or cutter charges) going off –and a few of these fire fighter were injured by these multiple instrumental explosions. Those who share their experience speak for others who can not, because unlike many of their coworkers they survived and managed to escape before the Towers collapsed. Many accounts of witness were annihilated by death but their truth and their stories are not lost. All in all, the presentation by the surviving firefighters about these demotions along with other witnesses and researchers are so numerous as to be conclusive. And, this is but one portion of this video.

The major themes in ZEITGEIST cover:

(A) the cosmological origin of monotheistic religion, the symbolic (and polytheistic) meaning of the Yeshu Messianic folktale, and the physical phenomena that form the ground of religious   mythology that have become the basis of the Jesus movie. ZEITGEIST outlines the methodology used by organized religion in its’  fundamental effort to dominate government and culture and to peddle their uncritical Sky-God system of belief that requires human submission and financial donations.

(B) many aspects of 9/11, including expert testimony by a retired FBI Director who points to the horrid events of 9/11, the downing the Towers, the demolition of Building 7, the blasting by a missile of a large hole in the Pentagon, the crashed a passenger Plane in Pennsylvania, with the expertise of an Agent-Director as he compares these events with other “false flag” operations, and with other political plots aimed at creating alarm —- 9/11 as a quote “planned, organized, initiated operation” one of many that are launched periodically by a Criminal Cabal for the purpose of social control. [Fear + Hate = Power] These “False Flags” are the work of “Inside Enemies,” 9/11 is “an inside job” and the political motives of this Criminal Cabal are now exposed for all to see.

And, ( C ) “the men behind the curtain”  (a who done it, how, and why?).

The movie is visually, artistically and intellectually spectacular if such adjectives are appropriate in this tragic and outrageous circumstance. So, listen with one’s full being rather than with one sense alone: if you do, you will hear Paul Revere shouting his warning anew, a call that travels from house to house, and from village to village, while rousing American citizen’s to revolutionary action. The murderers that did this must be taken down.

Make the effort and find the time to view this movie in full.

And, if you should rent, barrow, or if you should purchase ZEITGEIST be aware that during the first several minutes of opening commentary the screen is black - -it is that way intentionally, a technique, that I suspect, the producer used to challenge the viewer to become present with one’s own mind, to apply your analytic power,  to give your attention to facts, and to unleash your imagination from distractions while being singularly focused “on the immediacy of the now.”

And, a last suggestion, brace yourself emotionally. For as I saw,once again, Americans jumping to their death it emotionally re-generated my rage at the Neonazicon bastards, it inflamed my determination and my drive to see the Criminal Cabal placed in the docket and charged with murder and treason.

9/11!  Just so,

A. Z. Arrow

12/19/ 07

http://WWW.ZEITGEISTMOVIE.COM

Nilnuts is trying to be funny for all the nice folks out here in the world composed mostly of make believe, as in, “Alice in Wonderland.” But he is not trying to be funny for me, as he knows that I know, and I don’t live in Wonderland. It’s why he and his kind are so deathly afraid of me. He and his kind have tried to recruit me. Failing that, they tried to buy me.  Failing that, they tried to frighten me.  Failing that, they tried to murder me, quite a few times, but I don’t submit to any of these ordinary things. It’s why they are afraid of me.

Hiding 10 pages back and thinking the world is afraid of YOU?  Do you know what it took to find you buried back here, far from the madding crowd?

“I don’t live in Wonderland.”

Care to make a small wager on that? ROFLMAO!

Less Frank than Bush-Cheney: You have surpassed even Dog$#it as the weirdest and dumbest dumb shit to post on Truthdig.

Even “Robert” seems to have found it too deep in this gold mine for him!

Of course, that would be a Mark Twain Gold Mine: “A hold in the ground with a liar standing next to it!”

What a cowardly dumb fuck you are to post your ravings back here where it’s nice and safe!

Re: #119683 by niloroth

Nilnuts is trying to be funny for all the nice folks out here in the world composed mostly of make believe, as in, “Alice in Wonderland.” But he is not trying to be funny for me, as he knows that I know, and I don’t live in Wonderland. It’s why he and his kind are so deathly afraid of me. He and his kind have tried to recruit me. Failing that, they tried to buy me.  Failing that, they tried to frighten me.  Failing that, they tried to murder me, quite a few times, but I don’t submit to any of these ordinary things. It’s why they are afraid of me.

If the corrupt cannot corrupt you, cannot locate a price you will take, cannot frighten you, and cannot murder you, it makes them nervous. They send morons such as nilnuts to draw other citizens into the fold so that they may not hear me telling it like it is. Right, nilnuts?

Nilnuts, tell your prez I said, “Get off those nobs, you’re only a wannabe girl.”

Franker than Frank:

Yeah, sorry about that, we have a new spyware software package, and i didn’t install it correctly, but i have read the full manual now, so you should have no problems from now on.

Or, the government hackers that live in my computer hijacked my message and sent me a reply that said, “You have abused TD’s policy against spam. Therefore you are not allowed to post any further more comments.” I was unable to post any comments after that.  However, today I posted the below (#119001) just for the hell of it. Obviously it got through without a hitch.  And so it must have had nothing to do with TD. It was the gubby hackers that live in my computer and hijack it from time to time to serve their ends. But hey, this is only Amerika as it has always been. It’s just that only a few folks such as I knew it, all the rest were fast asleep until recently. Those of us that pose an intellectual threat to the criminals that run the place only knew about it because we have been attacked so furiously while the rest of you slept. Now everybody seems to be getting a dose.

By and by I will see if I can sneak the message past them that they would not let me post. It was hot.

To all:

I’ve been knocked of TD for telling it too much like it is. It’s TD’s loss.

#117425 by Peter RV

Hi Peter and thanks for the message. You actually beat me too it, since I was (at some point) going to attempt to say at least some of the things that you’ve pointed out, to make my position a bit clearer, as far as the whole Ron Paul thing has exploded. In all honesty, I think many posters who are normally clear headed about most issues, have become inflamed by ideologues who have put a nasty sort of a ‘flavor’ out there in our cyberspace arena, turning it into a competition of sorts, (at least in their own minds) instead of a discussion on the issues and the pros and cons of all of them. (including those things that don’t seem to be of any major concern to most us, in comparison with what you have so correctly noted as the extreme danger that we’re in, in rapidly becoming a police state).

And believe me, I AM aware, (I suspect more than you know) of how disastrous and critical those issues are. But bear with me here. I’ve known it for YEARS, and have experienced the PANIC of it long before the rest of the population even knew what hit us. (and many still don’t). So, by NO MEANS am I disregarding that. Please understand that.

I should ALSO say that I HAVE listened to more recent speeches from Ron Paul, (remember, I was a Texas resident for nearly two decades, so I’m aware of Paul from way back when, because of course he’s been a representative of that state for many years). So, I had an opportunity to form an opinion on his basic positions, (the bigger picture) long ago. And, I can tell you that this Libertarian stuff is NEW. It’s a political tactic that sort of re-makes him in the eyes of the populace, to offer a better choice (at least perceived as such) for a public that is FINALLY catching on to the fact that their formerly beloved repugs are a bunch of low-down dirty bastards. So, the whole Libertarian thing is a “new look” to try and separate himself from the standard group/ideology that he represents, which is the standard REPUBLICAN conservative concepts. In other words, Ron Paul could have, at any time in the past 20 plus years, actually RUN on an Independent or Libertarian ticket, if in fact that’s what his beliefs and ideals truly are. But, he has NOT. And, if you look at his record, you’ll see that he always (98% of the time) votes in line with the most conservative of repugs. The war issue was indeed a departure from that, and we could, if we wanted to, question HIS own reasons, for standing away from his party on that issue, since I don’t believe them to be the SAME reasons for many of the others who argued against the war action from the very start. And yes, while so many people here seem to forget that, there WERE MANY who opposed this illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq from the beginning. Congress people just like Ron Paul. Cynthia McKinney, Barbara Lee, and Barack Obama, (though Obama was in the Illinois Senate at the time) along with Senators like Bernie Sanders. So, Ron Paul was NOT the only one, though he was the only Republican now running for President. I’m not dismissing that, but I would like to find out what his objections were, because it is actually very different from his previous congressional behavior.

That said, I DO understand this maneuvering, and I’m NOT disrespecting genuine patriots who have their priorities that are equally important to all of us. I’m not dismissing any of that, nor am I dismissing typical republican voters who want to remain true to the basic ideology of that party. (for many voters, depending on state, it would require actually re-registering for a different party) I ALSO acknowledge that at least SOME of what Ron Paul says, DOES sound attractive. So, if I’ve failed to say that before, then I should acknowledge that now.

TBC

Part 2
However, there are TWO main concerns that I have with that, and the first one is probably the lesser in the big picture. First, I don’t believe that Ron Paul can accomplish the bigger concerns of you (and nearly all other voters) such as the
“Police State” and the trouble with the economy, which actually probably stands as the absolute biggest concern to anyone even partially aware. And, in part, (as for the whole police state issue) it’s because he can’t, nor does he want to. (IMO – I’ll have to check to see what he has to say about Blackwater, and all of the other private armies that operate both domestically and abroad). On the economy, I also know that he can’t help, at least not the way he’s proposed to do it. Now, maybe he honestly does believe his own rhetoric, and may be sincere. I’ve indicated that before. And, that has in fact been his focus for at least a decade, (I’ve recently checked his list of publications…and that’s what most of them are about…money, gold, god, the economy, the IRS). I’ve not yet read any of them completely through, but I’ll plan to.

STILL, what he’s saying all sounds wonderful. Who among us wouldn’t be delighted to be free from the burden of paying income taxes? Well, MOST of us, because in the past many years, it’s MOST of us that are carrying that load. I should remind you however, that Ron Paul is not among them. So, while it appeals to the majority of us, how realistic is it, to simply do without the system entirely? Because THAT is what he is advocating. He’s advocating a way to eliminate income taxes entirely, and in his state, 1 of only 3 in the nation, they’ve LONG since done away with state income tax. (Actually, I’m not sure TX ever had it, it was admitted as a slave state, when the economy was based on cotton, so they may never have had such an income tax) This seemed of course, to be an ‘advantage’ for me, when I lived there myself. But in reality, it didn’t save me a whole lot of money, because I didn’t EARN those big bucks. (salaries for most blue collar workers in that particular state, as well as Florida, are much lower than they are on the west coast) Still, it was a minor advantage for me, but guess what? It was a HUGE advantage for Halliburton, Chevron-Exxon, etc, etc. IE, Tx is a corporate HAVEN. It is corporate haven for the military industrial complexas well as parts of the Insurance industry.

So, back to the tax thing. While most of us would love to be released from such burdens, stop for a moment, and think about what taxes actually pay for, (or are supposed to pay for) and ask yourself how those funds will be alternatively provided, if we DON’T collect them via an income tax. In some cases, property taxes, sales taxes and things like tolls for parts of the infrastructure can help. But even in states that DON’T collect a state income tax, they are either shortchanged on the things that most other state residents take for granted, and..they STILL require the bulk of what the federal government DOES provide to states. (i.e, Texas and Florida receive more Federal aid than California for basic stuff like education, or other social services) even though California has a much larger population. BUT, California collects a State income tax. (only TX,NV and FL don’t) NV can supplement easy enough, since they DO collect taxes on some of their industry that is otherwise illegal in most other states. But TX is left pretty much in a poor state, for the majority of the state, because unless one is in a ‘high rent district’ that benefits from the property taxes, basic services are very limited. (transportation, education, social service programs, public services, etc)
So, a good portion of what these states miss from not having their own tax collection system, ends up coming from the feds. How fair is that? And, what will we do if we have NO tax system at all? (which is what he advocates). How will these basic services be funded?

TBC

Part 3
I’m not suggesting that there shouldn’t be a major OVERHAUL of the income tax system, because there should be. When middle class and poor workers are paying more into the system than the wealthiest of the wealthy, something is obviously going to be out of whack, and that’s exactly what has occurred over the past 7 years, as the repugs have drained the national treasury, while continue to provide tax CUTS to the most wealthy, as well as the corporations. BUT, THAT is not the agenda that concerns Ron Paul. He’s not talking about getting the wealthy to pay their fair share, because he is, and always is, a capitalist and a rethug at heart. So, his agenda requires basically ABANDONING the system as it exists, and replacing it with…we know not what. Or, at least we know that what he’s suggesting as an alternative would never work. So, as scary as all the rest of it is, SO IS THIS!
His is NOT a new approach on this, because in his state, they tried to kick this off over 10 years ago, at least with the SS thing. They were encouraging folks – even back that far, to switch to privatized accounts, instead of paying into the SS system. More recently of course, this was also a major part of the Bush agenda, they came to office, (remember, these are all the same group that moved from Tx to DC) and they had every intention of pushing the same onto the rest of the country. BUT, outside of TX, folks weren’t going for it. So, it became one of the few planned disasters that DIDN’T take place. And yes, I do reasonable fear that it is part of Ron Paul’s agenda, to pick that up again, even if it’s packaged differently, and claims to be part of his now Libertarian plan. As an old friend from TX would say, “same shit, different smell”. These are NOT minor concerns. I’m not saying I HATE the man, but these ARE legitimate concerns for the long term well being of the populace. ALL of us.

These are just a couple of the long term effects of a Ron Paul agenda, and I’m not saying that on the surface, it doesn’t sound great. I AM however, considering the longer term dangers that he doesn’t address. I’m not kidding when I say that he will dismantle ALL social service programs, because he’s said as much himself, and his voting record indicates his position on these things. He may claim otherwise, but the bottom line is that he doesn’t believe ANY of these things, (education, medical attention of ANY kind, housing, child care for working parents – I could go on) should be paid with ANY federal or state income tax monies) Now, we take these services for granted, because for the most part, depending on where we live, they’ve always been available. But, when there’s no way to pay for them, how do we suppose it’s going to happen? And, do you ‘trust’ your STATE to provide for all of that? What if you don’t LIVE in a wealthy state? What if you live in a poor state, where most of the population is now either without jobs, or very underpaid? (RP was AGAINST raising the minimum wage). What if your state can’t collect all that it needs from sales and property taxes?

As for the war thing, I couldn’t be more pleased at his promises to get ALL of our military out of countries where we simply have no business. And, I’ve ALWAYS felt that way. I also know that this particular issue, IS actually do-able. It would NOT be a difficult thing, to bring them all home, and there’s no reason for them to be all over the world. So, he need only say the word. But, WILL HE REALLY? That remains to be seen. (then again, I hope not). Now I can’t say if any other candidate will COMMIT to that, but I do believe that it’s doable if they wanted to. I’ll also say that several other candidates HAVE committed to bringing our troops out of the Middle East, including Richards, Edwards, Kucinich, Obama, and Gravel. So I reject the notion that only Kucinich and Paul have offered this, because it’s simply not true.

TBC

Part 4
Yes, I DO understand the ‘fix’ that so many people feel themselves to be in, because our own party/electoral system for selecting our leaders is HIGHLY flawed, leaving MOST of us in a position where we feel we are forced to selected from the least of the evils, based on who we believe has the ‘best chance’, instead of the person whom we would really like to see. This is a major travesty for all of us, and it’s largely why we’re in the position that we’re in now. I don’t have any solutions. I wish I did. All I can say is, vote your conscience, even if it doesn’t seem like that person has a chance, based on what the major media, (and even most other posters here) have to say about it. And, there is still time. I won’t pretend that it isn’t a daunting task, because we’re not going to find one or more candidates that satisfy the needs or even the ‘perceived’ wishes of the entire population. But, if the last 7 years haven’t proven to you what a dangerous bunch the repugs are, (at least with these neoconners) than I simply don’t know what else would.

Now in a later post, I’ll get into the Constitutional thing, because that’s where I find the Ron Paul message/promises to be MOST dangerous. I don’t think folks understand just HOW dangerous it would be to basically dissemble the Constitution as we know it today. And, while I understand that to be the biggest ‘attraction’ for supporters of Ron Paul, I also realize that most people don’t really have a full grasp of what that involves. And, I think he knows that as well. He’s nothing if not a very slick politician. And, I’m not saying that because I harbor some extreme HATRED for the man, which is the way so many on this board have tried to make it appear. I say it because in reality, MOST politicians are that way, to a greater or lesser degree. It’s just the way it is. It’s the same reason that so many people have such unfavorable opinions of lawyers. And, I understand that as well, even though it is my own field now that I’ve returned to academia. (Law & Society). Fortunately, my own field offers a more pluralistic way to utilize a legal system that benefits more of the population, and not just the rich or the powerful. But yes, it DOES require returning to the basic concepts and accomplishments of the Constitution.

This is NOT the first time in our history that a president has violated portions of the Constitution. It IS the first time in history that they have been violated to the extent that they have been with this gang. So, it’s perfectly understandable for all of us to jump at any sign from anyone who claims to be willing to return to the rule of law, as guided by the Constitution. HOWEVER, just as the tax system needs to be REPAIRED, (not demolished) so it is with the Constitution. That is NOT, and I have to repeat this…that is NOT what Ron Paul plans to do. Rather, he plans to cherry pick what he wants, from the eras and portions that he wants, and reinterpret that Constitution in his own conception and/or understanding of it. This would be a VERY DANGEROUS AGENDA; REGARDLESS of WHO was promising it. If Dennis Kucinich was mouthing this same rhetoric, I’d have to cut him loose, and even go so far as to warn against it. If Barack Obama was suggesting it, it would be the same. Now, I might be slightly more trusting of a candidate making such suggestions, if in fact they had ANY legal background. Ron Paul doesn’t. And, that’s not a smear, but it’s not his thing. OK? He’s a physician, (though I doubt he’s done a whole lot in that arena in the past 20 or so years, if only because of his job in congress…kind of hard to be both a practicing doc and a congressman), and yes, he IS a politician, so he would, (or should) be at least familiar with the Constitution, and the rules of parliamentary procedure.

TBC

Part 5

Still, there are many politicians who are not. That’s why we have an entirely different branch of government: THE COURTS to decide Constitutional issues. HE is NOT a professional of that branch. He is a member of the legislative branch, and that simply does not qualify him, (any more than you or I) to make decisions about that other branch of our government, which is exactly why the founders set it up that way to begin with. It is supposed to act as a Separation of Powers, between these branches. The fact that we have lost that, is very much the reason that we’re in this horrible mess.

Ron Paul is NOT going to fix it, even though it may certainly sound that way, based on his rhetoric. Ron Paul has already stated that he would just as soon do away with that branch entirely, and he’s CERTAINLY made many legislative moves that would diminish the power of the courts. That is dangerous, and we see that as it has transpired. (Gonzo, Ashcroft, Clarence Thomas, and many, many others that have been placed in these positions by this administration, or similar ones before it). But here again, just like the tax system, we don’t need to DESTROY it, we need to REPAIR it.

So again, this is NOT about me ‘hating’ Ron Paul. It IS about me seeing him in the same light that I saw in the disaster that I knew (well in advance) would come from Dick Bush. I didn’t believe then, nor do I believe now, that George Bush, -ALONE- could create this disaster, though I knew he would be bad. His Governorship was a preview. But with Cheney in the picture, and all of the neocons that have consistently worked behind the scenes to destroy the system, (and it is THEY who put him in the position to begin with, to do exactly what has been allowed to happen) and an equally corrupt Congress, we have what we have now.

Now, back then, I was accused of these very same things. “Oh, you just hate George Bush.” That was NOT the case, though I would admit that I wasn’t fond of him for all of the reasons that have since become known to the rest of the world. No, it was the COMBNATION that I was concerned about, because I do know what and how these people think. (meaning this branch of the conservative party). And, let me warn you that even those words have taken on new meaning, in a new era. Let me also remind you that Ron Paul, for all he may say, is STILL not that far off, ideologically, from the rest of that bunch. There’s a REASON why he is in the repuglican party, and he’s always supported his cohorts in the past, INCLUDING Tom Delay, who served the adjoining district.

Language is OVERWHELMINGLY important. Don’t let ANY spin doctor fool you. Look at ALL of the issues, including the long term issues. ANY of these candidates, can…if they choose to, end that interference in the middle east. They can also bring our troops back from Korea, Japan, Germany, etc, etc. IF THEY WANT TO. And while none of them has made a direct commitment to do it, (knowing that it’s more than a notion to dig out of whatever agreements have made, that we may not even be aware of) not all of them have expressed a desire for endless war. In that respect, there are several to choose from, including Richardson, Obama, Kucinich, and Gravel. Kucinich is better on health care, than ALL of them. (I know that Ron Paul is NOT gonna budge on that…he WILL continue to support the Insurance Industry as the middle man, in what drives the costs up, for those who can in fact afford it. But, he will make ALL medical care even less available, for those who cannot.) That isn’t a good thing for our collective survival. Just dragging down more and more of the population to levels of poverty is NOT gonna help, even if YOU personally, can manage to be one of the few who can remain afloat. In the end, it still doesn’t help you, if nobody else around you has anything. Even your guns will not save you from blackwater, if in fact you really are concerned about what has already become an Authoritarian State

Part 6
Now, I’ve not yet read your link, but I WILL. I have a feeling, (as I mentioned earlier) that I already know what has you so alarmed. I’ve been that way since December, 2000. Actually, before that, because of living in Tx, where this was already the ‘environment’ once GW became the Gov there.  Now I’ve already checked pretty thoroughly, on Ron Paul’s congressional record, to know for myself, how he interprets the Constitution. BUT, admittedly, I’ve only listened to or read a few of his RECENT speeches/statements, and none of what I’ve heard or read so far, has given me any real information on exactly HOW he plans to ‘return to the Constitution’. So, I’ll make it a point to read more of those as well. Because at the end of the day, that is my own biggest concern. I’m very, very, worried about the long term damage that could come from such a radical reorganization of our entire system, because I believe the Constitution to be a fundamentally solid blue print to work with. I believe it to be so well done, and mostly so well managed over the Centuries, to be perfectly easy enough to repair. I don’t think we have to throw the baby out with the bath water though.

Oh, on the special interests thing, including the Lobbies, and the one that most folks here are particularly concerned with. I DO believe that Ron Paul is sincere on his troubles with the Israel lobby. I don’t doubt that at all. I DO have some troubles with what I believe his reasons are though, which are not necessarily the same as ours, on a more human rights or universal concern. I also don’t believe that he is antagonistic to ALL special interests. Not at all. I believe he’s JUST FINE with BIG OIL, and I believe he’s basically just fine with health care for profit, (including the middle man) as well. At least that’s what his congressional record leads me to believe. And, while he may not APPEAR to be supported by the loudly boisterous “corporate America” that we all see as the evil that it is, there is a much quieter, but still equally dangerous number of ideologues that both fund and support him, in the most silent of ways. Here again, I’m only talking fact, that can’t necessarily be ‘known to all’, if we’ve only just begun to pay attention to him. History matters.

Or, you may not care, and I respect that. I just believe that all people need to know the ‘real deal’, so that they can then allow their own reason and conscience to properly direct them. While he may not have one big Oprah behind him, he’s got lots and lots of other ‘almost as big’ organizations, or at least ones with plenty of money, who just aren’t as loud about it as Oprah, or as transparent as the others like Hillary and Guiliani. Don’t be fooled. Orange County, Ca is indeed HIS, from the looks of things, and they DO have some major bucks. And, it’s all private. They only share with those who will maintain their interests in KEEPING it private, and in their hands. Other such enclaves are dotted throughout the country, and especially in all white areas that are determined to stay that way. That too, is not new. Awful as it may sound, the truth is that this nation was established that very way. The results of this ongoing gentrification/privatization may not have reached you yet. Still, it is not something that Ron Paul is going to stop. Rather, it would become far worse.

#118155 by Peter RV on 12/05 at 8:14 am
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#118028 by Robert

It is absolutely fitting the base character of the man in the WH, to rehire a totally discredited individual who has done so much harm to this Country.
If the impeachment process doesn’t start right now,perhaps it is the time to go on baricades.

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#118136 by Franker than Frank on 12/05 at 7:18 am
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#118028 by Robert

Of course, Robert, all the highest placed in the 911 conspiracy have been promoted and will be taken care of as long as the criminals most highly placed are in charge. The lesser criminals that actually set the charges, flew the planes and did all the grunt work, have no doubt been murdered by now by the special hit squads operating within the black intel network. And all the other folks around the periphery of it that can “kiss and tell” will continue to be murdered until everything is “clean and shiny” for the biggies. It’s just the way of the beast.
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FtF, Peter…Just think about how much Paul Wolfowitz and the rest of the zionist neo-cons know. Most, if not all the “classified information” and other specific details regarding 9/11.

Just think about the threat of leaks and blackmail these zionist neocons have for arsenal on GW & Cheney! Paul Wolfowitz and his zionist buddies could ask for just about anything from this current administration which is almost totally controlled by AIPAC and infiltrated by so many zionists.

There are NO surprises here in regards to Wolfowitz new job title in this corrupt administration. Its either comply or the leaks/blackmail will surely start to surface from various locations.

The finger will NOT be pointed at the Israeli Mossad. It will be pointed at => GW, Cheney, Rumsfeld, CIA ... that is how AIPAC’s controlled Mainstream News Media will manipulate and take control of their desired objectives.

•  But his selection has raised more than a few eyebrows within State because he’ll be providing advice on some of the same issues that critics say the administration got spectacularly wrong when Wolfowitz was pushing the case for the Iraq War at the Pentagon…… (One of the department sources called the appointment “amazing.”)….

And yes, it IS AMAZING!!! It’s more and more amazing every single time, and yet…we continue to see this, over and over and over again. It’s become an historical ‘hallmark’ of this administration. Because I can honestly say that while there have been many screw-ups by those in the ‘higher places’ of the government over history, and some have indeed escaped relatively unscathed, (with zero accountability) there has NEVER been a time when they’ve gone on to continually screw up (and SO drastically) and continue to maintain that same level/placement of power and control.

So, keep in mind that Wolfie was one of the signatories to the PNAC. I’ve always believed that Condi the Rice has far less real control or influence than it might appear. Believe me, if she wasn’t doing their bidding, she surely wouldn’t be sitting in that chair. Still, if and when the fall ever comes, I’m thinking Condi is NOT going to have the same ‘protection’ that all of the rest of them provide for each other.

In a backstabbing crowd like this one, (and as things eventually fall apart) she’s gonna be one of the first eliminated. For now though, she’s highly placed to carry out her orders, like putting Wolfie in yet another job, that allows for such dangerous influence and consequences.

Here’s another line that for the past 7 plus years, has become a staple (or like a journalistic template) for nearly ANY news reported on the thugs…

•  ….according to two department sources who declined to be identified discussing personnel matters…..

They are ALWAYS ‘anonymous’ sources. Seriously…EVERYTHING they do with the business of we the people, is ALWAYS secret!!! It’s like people have become adjusted to it now, and THAT is really sickening. How did we somehow begin to accept this so widely?

Anyway, thanks for this. It was posted on the democrats unity site, and on a few other sites as well, so I’ve already had my moment of utter disgust. On the dems activist site, it was listed among a dozen or so other things that the congress has remained UTTERLY SILENT about.

Meantime, just saw a pop-up on the news reader, that Israel is STILL accusing Iran of trying to build a bomb, even though it’s finally been proven, (even by our own people to be a lie – which I’ve always known myself). How they continue to get away with it is beyond me, and always has been. BUT, at least the rest of the world is now onto them, and that should hopefully count for something.

#118136 by Franker than Frank

Kind of reminds me of those misplaced nukes from Minot AFB and the subsequent deaths of many of airmen who were in a position to know anything.

That whole affair is dirty.

Bush Caught Lying About September 11th

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sADxtFBNPIc

#118028 by Robert

Of course, Robert, all the highest placed in the 911 conspiracy have been promoted and will be taken care of as long as the criminals most highly placed are in charge. The lesser criminals that actually set the charges, flew the planes and did all the grunt work, have no doubt been murdered by now by the special hit squads operating within the black intel network. And all the other folks around the periphery of it that can “kiss and tell” will continue to be murdered until everything is “clean and shiny” for the biggies. It’s just the way of the beast.

SECURITY

An Old Face Resurfaces

The Bush administration has offered the former World Bank president a new public service position.
By Michael Isikoff | NEWSWEEK

Dec 10, 2007 Issue

Don’t ever say the Bush administration doesn’t take care of its own. Nearly three years after Paul Wolfowitz resigned as deputy Defense secretary and six months after his stormy departure as president of the World Bank—amid allegations that he improperly awarded a raise to his girlfriend—he’s in line to return to public service. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has offered Wolfowitz, a prime architect of the Iraq War, a position as chairman of the International Security Advisory Board, a prestigious State Department panel, according to two department sources who declined to be identified discussing personnel matters. The 18-member panel, which has access to highly classified intelligence, advises Rice on disarmament, nuclear proliferation, WMD issues and other matters. “We think he is well suited and will do an excellent job,” said one senior official.

Wolfowitz, now a visiting scholar at the conservative American Enterprise Institute, will replace former senator Fred Thompson, who quit over the summer to run for president. Although officials declined to say how Rice came to choose him, Wolfowitz began his government career in the 1970s in the State Department as an arms-control expert; he forged a relationship with Rice during the 2000 presidential campaign, when they both served as top foreign-policy advisers to the then candidate Bush. But his selection has raised more than a few eyebrows within State because he’ll be providing advice on some of the same issues that critics say the administration got spectacularly wrong when Wolfowitz was pushing the case for the Iraq War at the Pentagon. (One of the department sources called the appointment “amazing.”) At least Wolfowitz, who did not return calls seeking comment, will have like-minded company: other panel members include Robert Joseph, the former National Security Council official in charge of Iraq WMD intelligence, and ex-CIA director James Woolsey, both strong allies during the Iraq debate.

The sources said Wolfowitz has already accepted Rice’s offer to fill the part-time position, though it won’t be announced until the completion of a standard check for conflicts of interest. But he won’t have to worry about any complaints from pesky Democrats. The position doesn’t require Senate confirmation.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/73273

Re: #117188 by cyrena

I am not a political animal and I support no candidate(s), nor have I ever done so, much for the same reasons I don’t watch TV or involve myself in other forms of mass hysteria. For the most part, I exist well outside the mainstream. I do mention an individual from time to time, in passing, that may be a politician, but I don’t believe in, nor am I a supporter of, any political system on earth except to the extent that I exist and my presence is capable of being co-opted in some way, such as taxes. I have always existed alone and am alone even in a crowd. I have never felt part of any crowd, although I have certainly been in the midst of some crowds.

As I have mentioned several times, I have never met or heard of another like unto myself. And I like myself so much and feel so good with myself that I am pretty much satisfied with being alone. There have been a lot of pretenders to the throne of unique individuality upon which I sit, as so many have attacked my citidels in a never-ending “King of the Mountain” game (or “fastest gun”) in which, for me, there are only losers, as I can’t be “de-throned.” It’s because I am what I am, not a pretender. I don’t even know what it is to pretend to be what or who I am not, as there is nothing or nobody else I have ever heard of or imagined that I would rather be than myself. But then, this is only one of my many “differences” that alienates me from humanity, right?

I said all that mainly to make the case for saying, thus, how could I be a political animal and believe in any politician irrespective how sterling he/she may appear?

#116554 by Peter RV

•  “When there is an attack against Jews anywhere in the world, the Israeli government is incensed, so why when our religion and pride are hurt, don’t they take harsher measures?” he asks.

Peter, this may very well have something to do with 9/11. One thing we know for sure, is that this part of the statement has been true for as long as the Zionists have been working on putting together a totally “Jewish state” and had decided that it would be Israel. (They actually started working on it back as early as 1917).

And, this gang’s mentality is that they are (as the piece says) INCENSED when anything happens to Jews anywhere in the world, (doesn’t even have to be an ‘attack’ as we think of what an ‘attack’ would be) and yet they’ve always felt perfectly free to do whatever they want, to anybody else, wherever they want, and whenever they want. It’s just the Zionist way.

Now of course I always have to caution that not ALL Jews are Zionists, and I only throw that in as a matter of course, because I know so many Jews who are as critical of Israel AND it’s policies as we are. Now of course those are American Jews, and that’s the difference.

On the other hand, I PRESUME that there are Israeli Jews who feel the same way. I’m never gonna find out, at least not from visiting there. since I don’t plan to ever do that. Then again, I admit it’s kind of difficult to avoid the area for anyone who wants to help out in the Palestinian Territories – since the Israeli military runs everything there as well, including the court system, which is a grotesque farce.

Meantime, I’m with PeterRV, spit on ME, and I’m gonna do my best to kick ass, even if I go down in the process. That brings to mind one of many stories from my former career. A former co-worker had a passenger spit on her, because she was in the process of preparing the cabin for landing, (which meant –among other things- collecting all service items) and he was DEMANDING that she bring him another drink. He called her several nasty names, (she was African American) and eventually spat on her. Her knee jerk reaction was to haul off and whack him so hard, that he flipped up out of the back of his seat. I was pretty amazed, since she was such a little woman, and very mild mannered. Still, what does any reasonable person expect to happen, when they spit on somebody?

Anyway, just to show how ‘justice’ worked then, (and now) SHE was fired, and the belligerent spitter was provided with a free ticket for his next trip. And so it is, in corporate America, and especially if you’re a Zionist Jew.

(little did she know at the time, that the ‘firing’ was probably the best thing that could have happened to her).

•  #116660 by Franker than Frank on 11/28 at 3:24 pm
Cyrena, I must correct only one tiny spot for you. I didn’t intend to write that my IQ was “the” highest ever measured, but I wrote “in” the highest ever measured.
Well Franker, I do appreciate the correction, because these details, (even when seemingly very minor) are in fact very important. Kind of like the translation of the Iranian President’s take on the Jewish holocaust in Europe. People love to claim that he has DENIED that the holocaust ever occurred, when it fact that is not what he’s ever, ever claimed. Rather, he’s said that particular holocaust was USED to CREATE a MYTH, that the Jews somehow became ‘eligible’ (my word) to create their own against everybody else. (specifically the Palestinians).
Now, in the case of your IQ measurement, this tiny detail may not be all that important, and besides…I kind of liked thinking of you as having the highest ever measured. But still, if we want to remain consistent, we have to keep the details straight.
Matter of fact, I was just discussing that in a class earlier today, in reference to The Fugitive Slave Act of 1850. It required all citizens to return run-away slaves. Needless to say, that meant that all of those involved in the underground railroad of helping slaves escape, were in violation of the law. And, since there were massive violations of that law, (because it was an immoral law) it threatened to undermine the entire legal system. Quite a paradox, eh? Studying the legal structure during that time in history can actually be quite depressing. But then, watching it fall apart during THIS time in history is pretty depressing too. Still, it forces us to wonder when it becomes necessary to revamp or otherwise abolish laws that are not effective. And, if a law is immoral, it’s not likely to be effective.
But, I stray. I wanted to add a serious warning on Ron Paul. And, because of the fact that I’ve already written myself crazy on this topic, (and probably will continue to do so) I’ll keep it mostly short for the moment.
Ron Paul is NOT, (and I repeat NOT) what he is presenting himself to be at the moment. In short, Ron Paul is a racist, and he’s probably a misogynist as well. So, if he’s not of the Zionist mentality, it’s ONLY because he’s a racist, and has no use for Jews, just like he’d just as soon dump the entire population of blacks and any other people of color at the bottom of the closest Ocean. So, this is fair warning on Ron Paul and his disciples. I’m already fed up to my eyeballs with them, and his campaign is inflicting upon me a most horrible sense of déjà vu, from the time of the Dick Bush campaign, when the groupies were jumping on that bandwagon, and claiming what a good and sincere guy he was. My ASS!!
So, while Ron Paul claims to be a strict constitutionalist, and an advocate for privacy rights, he’s a rabid anti-abortionist, and would overturn Roe v. Wade in a heartbeat, if he got the chance. Now of course we know that the question of abortion was decided long, long ago, by Roe v. Wade, and that decision was based, (at least in part) on privacy. Yet, Dr. Paul has no qualms at all, about deciding what control women should have over their own bodies, and he’d probably be just as happy for us to go back to the days when women couldn’t vote either. So, just ‘beware’ of nutcases in Congress. Check his voting record before deciding how ‘sincere’ he is, and about what. I for one, am not ready to return to the days of covered wagons, slavery, or little house on the prairie and home schooling.

Consequently, these tinfoil hat Paulies that are running around here waving flags and banners and proclaiming that ‘freedom’ is the ‘message’, are getting on my very last nerves. They’re as bad as the Jehova Witnessers that bang on my door on Saturday mornings, trying to get me to re-live the Old Testament.

And, that is one VIOLENT piece of literature.

FtF, Ceryna, PatrickHenry, Peter RV

Blame The Muslims - Kay Griggs Interview

Here Kay Griggs exposes Zionists for hiring Assassins a.k.a. (Fake Terrorists) to carry out acts of violence and then blaming the Arab/Muslim Community…. this is all about OIL and POWER and Controlling the WORLD

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HUXH3S0f38
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CORRUPTION US MILITARY:

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There is no way I would pay to visit Israel, the bad vibes from that place causes cancer.

Jew or not, you spit on me its on!

Re: #116554 by Peter RV

Well, Peter, when one reflects how “holocaust shy” (as in “gun shy”) Jews proclaim themselves to be, it is odd that the Zionist persuasion of Jews promote and even commit with their own hands the genocide of peoples all over the globe and in their own back yard, the Palestinians. The only people Zionist Jews don’t like to be holocausted are themselves. But isn’t this the old story: don’t do as I do, do as I say do.

Re: #116480 by cyrena

Cyrena, I must correct only one tiny spot for you. I didn’t intend to write that my IQ was “the” highest ever measured, but I wrote “in” the highest ever measured. I might have mislead you here. I should have written “among” the highest. My mechanical aptitude has scored in the top three percent of all those measured. ITZW would say I surely must have accidentally scored that high just by getting 97% of the questions correct, which would mean I am the luckiest man alive. (Of course, I feel this way, anyway, just because I am that I am.)

I have theorized that there must have been a hole in the ozone layer over the spot I was conceived, sort of constituting a “ray gun” effect that shot a load of mutagenic elements on my parents at just the right moment, which evidently mutated my genes, as, for intelligence, I am as unlike the family into which I was born as a giraffe would be to a herd of zebras, or a mouse to elephants. Imagine if you paired two mice and conceived a rhinocerous. This is what happened to me. The only way it could be accounted for, short of divine intervention, is a very rare massive gene mutation. In my earliest years I quit identifying with humanity, as I was unable to reconcile the differences I was finding. As the differences continued to toll, I just decided to quit considering myself human at all.

I still don’t identify. When I make a mistake, for instance, I don’t say, “After all, I’m only human!” I don’t genuinely feel that that option is open to me, so I just take my licks for being wrong when it happens, learn from it, and go on. This certainly spells that I am not a Zionist Jew human being, right?

You told it right when you wrote that all Zionists are not Jews and all Jews are not Zionists. Rudy Jewly-Annie is an example. To be sure, all the current presidential candidates except for what appears to be Ron Paul fit in here. Indeed, just about the entire U.S. government is Zionist, but all of these certainly are not Jews. Where Zionist Jews seem to cluster and exist in a clear majority is around catastrophic criminal enterprises such as 911, bankster frauds, massive imbezzlements of moneys (in the $trillion$), genocides around the world, and the general ruination of the U.S. establishment. Although Jews constitute only several percent of America, Zionist Jews cluster in the range of clear majorities (80%-98%) in the said enterprises related to perdition.

•  #115130 by Franker than Frank In responding to Zionist 911 lies, I have modestly revealed a little bit about myself.
•  #114787 by Franker than Frank I’ll bet my IQ is higher than his was. I won’t tell you what it is, but it’s WELL above that of most Jews (a group whose average IQ exceeds the average of all other groups measured.) Mine is in the highest ever measured.

Ah Franker,
These are both such delightful (and informative posts). Now you realize of course, that’s gonna get me back into the deepest of shit with Inherit, who actually does post some worthwhile things sometimes, that I can in fact appreciate. But, he’s stuck in that dreaded “all or none”, “either/or” mindset, that doesn’t allow me to agree with him on occasion, and also appreciate those he has determined are bitter enemies.

That said, your post on the characteristics of the Zionest Jew is excellent. Because, there’s just no getting around the truth, even when it’s ugly. And, realistically speaking, I don’t know why anyone would want to. Denial may be acceptable for emergency moments, (must like the body or mind goes into ‘shock’) but hey…to practice this for life is a dangerous thing.

Still, I wanted to add just one thing to your exposé on the Zionists, and others on these threads will certainly remember that I’ve said this before, and on many occasions. Not ALL Zionists are Jews, and not ALL Jews are Zionists.

My favorite part of the other post, (which just always delights me) is when you allowed us to know that your IQ is the highest ever measured. Hot damn!! I love it!! Seriously. I don’t think anyone else can appreciate this stuff quite as much as I do. So, I’ll just call it a private joke.
I was equally impressed with the fact that you could lift that pickup truck. (though admittedly, they aren’t my favorite vehicles – but I think that’s just an emotional sort of a thing…if somebody GAVE me one, I’d certainly make use of it).

Meantime, I’ve lost my phone. (again). So if your I.Q has anyway of directing me to it, or it to me, that would be outstanding. If not, I understand.

In responding to Zionist 911 lies, I have modestly revealed a little bit about myself.

Now, for the benefit of ITZW and ilk, I will reveal the basic character of the Zionist Jew, which boils down to four (4) perennially recurrent characteristics, in the following order.  He is: 1) treacherous; 2) an ass kisser; 3) a whiner; 4) a murderer.

If the ZJ cannot get his way (which always seems to be control, control, and control, all for nefarious purposes such as plundering the wealth of those who have rightfully earned it by the sweat of actual work), through treacherous activity like lying, cheating, conniving, stealing, he drops automatically into an ass-kissing role. If ass kissing doesn’t work, he shifts gears and begins whining about how sorry his lot was in the past, but never in the present, as his lot has never been at all bad “in the present.”  Thus, he has to manufacture tales of the past, amply embellished for effect, and cries out, “Oh, woe. Woe were poor us. Oh, woe were we.” Never “woe ‘is’ us”, however. As the present Zionist Jewish “predicament” is never bad enough to complain about, right? 

When all of the above three inbred character traits fail to serve, then the Zionist Jew resorts to his most basic Self, which I purposely left for last, the murderer. He simply ratchets up the fever pitch of his first characteristic trait: treachery, and employs it to the design of murdering anything and anybody that may be standing in his way.  For Exhibit “A,” I give you September 11, 2001, the WTC Towers, and Washington D.C., at the Pentagon. I give you the senseless, mindless murders and destruction that took place on that infamous day, and the rash of promotions and monetary enrichment of all the Jews most highly placed in the affair, including the mayor of New York City, just to name one.

The Zionist Jew had simply been kissing ass and whining too long to no avail. Now it was time to get down to the business he knows best: treachery and murder. Thus, the historic, infamous 911 episode for America.

The enthralling thing about it is that I am glad it happened, as it finally exposed this slinking, stinking Zionist Jewish rat that has been gnawing at the vitals of America for too damned long, for what it is, as stated hereinbefore.

Take heart, America, your enemy has not won yet, but only fired a few salvoes of treachery into your innards. I learned long ago the truth of two clichés, “The darkest moments sometime come before the dawn,” and, “There is a silver lining in every cloud, even the darkest.”

Thus, let us look a little closer at those dark clouds boiling above, and also wait the dawn, which just may see rats annihilated in gigantic and irresistible mousetraps.

Re; #114295 by Inherit The Wind

Hey ITZW, I AM greater than Leonardo DaVinci, depending upon what one is measuring against. For example, I’ll bet Leonardo couldn’t have lifted a P/U truck off the ground at age 68 (assuming he could have had one during Renaissance times.) I’ll bet my IQ is higher than his was. I won’t tell you what it is, but it’s WELL above that of most Jews (a group whose average IQ exceeds the average of all other groups measured.) Mine is in the highest ever measured.

Leonardo did not know the secrets of the atomic nucleus. But I do. He didn’t know anything about unifying the scientifically recognized forces of nature, but I do. He was not conversant in the science of relativity, general and special (and how it communicates with quantum theory,) but I am.

Leonardo and I would have been good friends, as the case has been with all the highly intelligent that I have ever come across in my life, though no doubt he and I would have been good natured rivals over which one could do the most diverse things. It would take a Leonardo to compete with me, as I have not met another like unto me in my whole life of 68 years, in which I have enjoyed zero competition, a life in which the likes of an ITZW couldn’t begin to constitute a pimple of serious rivalry (in anything, especially in the intellectual realm) on my butt.

Ha, ha, ha.

#114677 by Robert

Proves my point he is a woman.

Not that I mind women, they’re my favorite sex. Only a woman could hurl personal insults, staring up at you without fear of physical retaliation.  He has smallman’s complex, sitting behind a keyboard trying to bully, intimidate and stifle points of view “he” deems offensive and critical to Israel and all the jews, with personal attacks, often far from the mark.

I could care less about his judge jew-dy analogies about us, you must consider the source.

FTF, PatrickHenry & others…FYI

ITZW is still at it with his whining ways and smearing attempts!
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#114295 by Inherit The Wind on 11/18 at 8:17 am
(119 comments total)

Cyrena,
I appreciate your kind words—You had said I was shitting on you (rather crude) and I took that to mean you took my posts personally. I’m glad you don’t.

Re-read what Non-credo said:
“ I have explained that a similar mechanism is involved in the cooptation of the Democratic party, especially members of Congress, into the war agenda, accomplished by leveraging the political and propaganda clout of the pro-Israel lobby. This is EXACTLY the kind of thing that Krugman is talking about with respect to racism and its uses.

Let’s all try to wonder for about one second why he doesn’t dare make this connection himself. “

NC talks about the Israel lobby, then says Krugman doesn’t “dare” make this connection and “Let’s all try to wonder why.”

If you can’t infer that NC means because Krugman is a Jew, then I just don’t get your thinking. You understand racism and bigotry—don’t you get the code words here?

You also mistake disagreeing with me to being incompatible forms of thinking.  Tony Wicher disagrees with me vehemently.  But dialog is possible. 

People who argue that the Jews are the cause of all the trouble in the world are those in which it’s either me or them.  I don’t consider the right of existence and even safety of myself and my family to be a debatable point. (Ayn Rand was the first to make that point totally clearly in Atlas Shrugged)

Your pal Less Frank Than Frank feels just the opposite—of course, he claims expert status at 500+ professions so he’s either even a greater genius than Leonardo da Vinci or he’s just lying and plain nuts.  I vote for the latter. (that means he’s changed professions every month for 40 years—and became expert at each in a month—sometimes the math show just what a liar someone is).

“Robert” consistently gets all his quotes from highly biased and suspect web sites.  His favorite is Michael Rivero who has be TOTALLY discredited—The National Enquirer is more reliable.  “Robert” also responds to criticism with a whirl-wind of invective, insults, unsupported accusations, but never any facts—he’s incapable of formulating an original idea.

Aryan-tologist is a racist, pure and simple. He has 5 or 6 posts “proving” how the Jews secretly and demonically dominate America that he recycles over and over.

The one who calls himself “PatrickHenry{” thinks it’s a fine insult to call me a woman.  I’m not insulted, but it’s not correct (I’d make a damned ugly woman—my beloved wife thinks I’m handsome, in a rugged-sort of way—but she’s totally biased, of course). Considering what so many women are capable of (starting with my beloved who used to solve matrices in her head for fun) I actually think it’s a high complement—and a fine goal.  But PH thinks it’s an insult…what do YOU take from that?

That’s my point.

#114305 by Franker than Frank

Franker Than,

Of COURSE I had to set the priorities straight regarding your dog. It was cruel. I still terribly miss my own Sweetpea, since she died nearly 2 years ago. At some point, I may get another. But for now, there can be no excuse for causing you to scowl in front of her, though I’m sure she’s recovered by now. Dogs are like that.

As for this on nilnuts..
•  Any intelligent entity would be compelled to feel a modicum of compassion, even if he had to use “bug spray.”

Not me. Nope, no compassion here, not even for a stupid gubby like nilnuts. IF I thought he was indeed a ‘true believer’ then maybe, possibly, I’d feel a little bad about using the bug spray on him. But, I think he’s an arrogant cocky intern, who thinks he’s ‘playing’ others for fools, and at some point, the shit is gonna backfire on him, and he will have done it to himself, just because he’s stupid on top of being arrogant and cocky. He’s about as much of a ‘true believer’ as george bush and his karl rove sidekick. And, he’s only a hairs width smarter than the asshole Lee that keeps attacking me on the other threads, since Lee probably IS a ‘true believer’, and a hate-filled moron to boot.

http://www.truthdig.com/avbooth/item/20071111_oil_is_king/

And, they’re ALL dangerous…but generally only to others, since they’re already so messed up themselves, that there’s little more damage that could come to them. (which is why I’d have no qualms about the bug spray).

I remember you telling us about the TV thing. It resonated with me like a ‘soul connection’, because I’ve always been very ambivalent about the TV myself, and have lived without it off and on since I was very young. I remember during one of my long periods of not owning one, that my sister said the same thing that your own friends did. She simply could not fathom my not having one. So, one turned up at Christmas time, a joint gift from the entire family. When it crapped out, (or maybe I gave it to somebody, who knows) I never replaced it. Like you, it just never much interested me. I’d honestly prefer to read a book…then and now.

But, now I do have one, although it’s rarely on. Occasionally, I’ll watch a lecture or debate aired on the Univ. Campus channel, if it’s something/someone that I want to hear, and don’t feel like getting out to attend in person. And, there are even a couple of series dramas that I enjoy. “Criminal Minds” is a favorite, but half the time, I get involved in something on-line, and forget to turn it on. I’m pretty much a news junkie, but no real news is ever on TV, so…if I didn’t have one, I wouldn’t miss it anymore than I ever did before, when I didn’t have one.  I can get what I need to know from on-line sources. That hasn’t always been the case, because the alternative media that I rely on has only come about as a result of the internet, and the need to produce something more than the BS that passes for information via the MSM.

OK, now I have to go read up on the “New Capitalists: Law, Politics, and Identity Surrounding Casino Gaming on Native American Land.”. I’ve never been much of a casino gaming person myself, just because I don’t like losing my money, and that’s what Casino’s are for…. They’ve gotta take SOMEBODY’S money.

This however, is quite interesting, because of the attitudes and resentments that “white Americans” have about Indians making money. They obviously don’t have a problem with the Vegas or Atlantic City types changing them for such ‘entertainment’, but when the Indians do it, it drives them nuts. Makes them ‘less authentic’ since Indians are just ‘posed to be poor and confined to the Rez, minus any political identity of their own, or any independent means to economic viability.

It continues to amaze me to witness the overwhelming hypocrisy between what people say, and what they actually think. (if thinking is what they wanna call it).

#114266 by cyrena

Cyrena, your concern for my innocent dog is priceless. The poor thing doesn’t see me scowl much, as I am so constantly happy. The sun might not shine tomorrow, as the sun is not so constant, but I will be happy tomorrow, and the day after that and the day after that and the day after that… Thus, it was a cruel act on the part of nilnuts even to pretend that he believes in the truth and make me scowl in front of my dear dog. It reveals the animal lover in you, which is something that could instruct any human being that is trying to rise above his/her own inborn, inbred animalistic human tendencies (such as those possessed by the ilk of nilnuts and the gubby black ops dept), right?

Speaking of nilnuts, I almost have some compassion for him/it, thus revealing what a splendid being I am that I can condescend to such a level even to feel sorry for his/its sorry lot. As nilnuts is what you could call a “true believer.” Most (all?) gubs are. If I awoke to discover myself a true believer I would consider it a sore infection, a hostile invasion of not-me’s, a gross failure of my immune system that protects my cerebrail processes.

A true believer is the adult non-innocent mental version of the innocent child that believes the tooth fairy exists because every time one’s deciduous tooth is pulled and placed under the pillow and the child sleeps, “bingo,” some money appears in place of the tooth in the A.M. It could only be the tooth fairy because mummy said it was and mummy always tells the truth, right?

Some folks, especially true believers (in the tooth fairy), such as nilnuts, gravitate toward gubby positions in life while simply trading one mummy for another, never weaning themselves from the apron strings.

This insane asylum out here is a big, scary world, right? Thus, “HANG ON TO THOSE APRON STRINGS FOR DEAR LIFE, GUBS (BUGS?)!”

If mummy, Big Gub (Bug?) says black is white, or down is up, then black is white and down is up. Mummy must have a good reason for telling it or “she” wouldn’t tell it, right?

Then, with such gubby claptrap in hand, nilnuts and ilk go forth in the world proclaiming, “The tooth fairy is real! The tooth fairy is real!”

Any intelligent entity would be compelled to feel a modicum of compassion, even if he had to use “bug spray.”

The strange, surreal, almost Twilight Zonesque aspect to it is that they actually garner adherents among the teeming masses. I have always marveled at this, but there are people that will suck up anything (as vaccuum cleaners) that gets in front of them.

The pity is that nilnuts and ilk will never know the splendor of standing on the strength of their own
convictions, even if it means severing that apron string. Again, it’s like the TV set I turned loose longer ago than I can recall, when horrified folks told me, “How will you live? How will you know anything? How will you stay current?” I must reveal it was not hard to do without, as TV never dazzled me much. I was simply too intelligent, even in my youth, to ogle at it very much. I preferred living my own life over watching others live their’s.

Thus, nilnuts and ilk are horrified that I say, “Stand on your own convictions and let the gubs suck eggs.”

“How will we live, how will we breathe, how will we prosper? How will we not all die and go to hell?”

Ha, ha, ha. My answer to nilnuts and ilk: “The same way I do it all without the TV set.”

•  It even disturbed my dog. She was sitting here at my feet, regaling in my apparent happiness (i.e., laughing at your antics), when in the middle of my guffaw I was forced to scowl. She was discombobulated to say the least. If you don’t care about me, please be considerate for my dog and don’t make me scowl again.

FTF and nilorut,

This is of course absolutely inexcusable, and cannot be allowed to happen again, under any circumstances.

Anything that would possibly lead to the discombobulation of the dog simply cannot be.

So nimrod, nilorut, triple agent 13 or whatever else you call yourself, DON’T do it again. Dogs are pretty much the only sacred anything left to us. Leave them be.

And FTF is right about lying on Islamic jihadists as well. If you’re gonna make up a story, and try to sell it to even moderately intelligent people, do a little study first. You don’t even have to travel to jihadist territory. There are BOOKS. Do you read?

Here’s a list for you.

  Journey of the Jihadist: Inside Muslim Militancy by Fawaz A. Gerges

Here’s another one that will help you with the lies of the 9/11 tales.

THE WAR ON TRUTH; 9/11, Disinformation, and the ANATOMY OF TERRORISIM.
By Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed

Yes, these people with these strange sounding ‘middle eastern’ names can in fact read and write very well, and they could provide valuable information to you in your internship as a government internet spammer.

Now, that’s only 2 books nimrod. You can do it if you really try. Don’t worry if it takes you a while. We understand.

For a slight change of pace, you can check out Nir Rosen’s “In the Belly of the Green Bird: The Triumph of the Martyrs in Iraq”

Please do this nimrod. It will give the rest of us a break, most importantly FTF’s dog.

#114149 by niloroth

Nilirot, ha, ha, ha. In yo’ face, suckuh!

Yes, we mental patients pay taxes.

You know those “little green men from Mars” that created all the bizarre “new sciences” in the official 911 conspiracy theory, in which such absolute laws as the conservation of energy were magically neutralized just for that one occasion in history?

Well, these same little green men of yours are in here (in the insane asylum) with me and they are extracting taxes from me. Yes, little green men from Mars are actually taking my money and calling it taxes.

When was the last time you were inside an insane asylum, anyway? Evidently it has been a while, because these little green men of yours come in here every so often and take taxes from me. They even told me they are using those taxes to plot another 911. Since you know them better than I do, how about asking them how much more money they will need before they can pull off another 911? Also ask them if Zionist Jews will run the show again. Also ask them if the prez will be reading another goat story to school children and if he will behave as bizarrely as Bush did. Also ask them if the Secret Service will behave this time as if they are charged with protecting the life of the prez instead of just standing around gawking while America is ostensibly under attack by a foreign government. 

Also, ask them to make up a better story line for the next 911. I mean, who the hell could believe a bunch of Muslims on a religious jihad would spend their last night on earth (before committing suicide by ramming a building) buying whores, getting drunk and gambling in Vegas? This is something Westerners (such as yourself) would do, but not Muslim jihadists. And don’t “float” any more Muslim jihadist ID cards out of the midst of the cataclysm. It looks so unseemly.

What I’m telling you is to advise those “little green men” to get smart. Don’t project onto Muslim jihadists what you would do if you were a jihadist, then make that part of the component of the tale. Actually interview some Muslim jihadists and ask them what they would do leading up to such a fray, then tell the tale accordingly. I mean, you can’t use your own shortcomings to describe the shortcomings of a Muslim jihadist, unless you are a Muslim jihadist. Because you will get it all wrong. It would be like a man that has never seen a banana trying to explain what another man might think while he is eating a banana. See what I mean?

Naaaaaaah. You can’t see what I mean, as you are nilirot, a grubby gubby Zionist toadie, right?

FTF:

“I still would not like paying your wages, however, because you are biting the hand that feeds you by lying to we taxpayers and trying to bamboozle us into accepting the govt conspiracy theories about 911 on pure faith alone, without a scintilla of evidence backing them up.”

come on, you know as well as i that mental patients in psych wards don’t pay taxes.

#113876 by niloroth

Nilirot, you still have not told me how many spamming agents are in your unit.

Also, assuming that the neocon cabal (which includes a lot of Zionist Jews) that is astride America right now doesn’t pull off another 911, like nuking several U.S. cities or whatever as a pretext for declaring martial law and installing Bush/Cheney forever (or until they can be deposed by force), let’s hypothesize that there will be another election for prez in 2008 (rigged, of course, as they always are, but then, this is just America where anybody that wears a suit and tie and can rig an election can win, right?) And let’s say that you have a new master in 2008, say, a Demoncrap. Will you just roll over to the Dems as though they are Repugs? In other words, does it matter which master you spam for?

Speaking of which, has any master ever patted you on the head and said, “Good doggie!” And if so, did you look up at him/her lovingly, with fierce loyalty, like a good dog?

Even though you are an Internet liar spamming for gubby, I could look down on you with a modicum of compassion (as I do bugs sometime) if I could be convinced that you have some of the traits of a good dog, as I like dogs.

I still would not like paying your wages, however, because you are biting the hand that feeds you by lying to we taxpayers and trying to bamboozle us into accepting the govt conspiracy theories about 911 on pure faith alone, without a scintilla of evidence backing them up. Not to mention all those miracles you are proffering that overcame all those laws of physics (dang it, I did mention it. Oh, well.)

“A few people spamming with computers 24/7 can seem like an army if organized and done correctly”

and you just nailed the truth movement all in one go.

#113681 by niloroth “While that comic you posted is funny, and has a slight ring of truth too it,...”

Nilirot, I came here tonight just to laugh at your antics again, in which you don’t only “skirt” the truth, but are entirely inimical to it (which makes me guffaw at you like I do when I watch a Keystone Kopps episode) but I was floored when I read that you allowed “a slight ring of truth” to Robert’s posting of the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth in relation to Israel of all things.

You actually wrote that there is a “ring of truth in it.” The cabal won’t like it one bit. You could lose your Internet spamming job that we taxpayers are paying you for (in a roundabout way, of course, but everything is roundabout with Zionist Jews, right?)

Speaking of which, are you an Israeli national that works for an Israeli spamming op—such as ADL—in which you are paid by we U.S. taxpayers via aid doles to Israel for its many nefarious pursuits (which includes perping 911, bombing the U.S.S. Liberty, etc.,) or do you spam directly for the cabal that is astride America at this moment? Not that it matters, as we taxpayers are footing the bill in either event, right? I just like to know what the thieves look like that are plundering my tax monies.

But I digress. Back to the subject at hand: I don’t like being floored. Please don’t do it again if you don’t mind. Continue prevaricating whole hog if you don’t mind. Please don’t “allow” for any more
“truth,” because it just ruined my guffaw. I was about to laugh when I came to the part about your allowing for a modicum of truth in your post. Not only did it ruin my belly laugh, but it tampered with my considered (and considerable) judgment that you are incapable of uttering a truthful statement. Can you see how important it is for me that you remain consistent and just continue being totally unrelated to the truth?

It even disturbed my dog. She was sitting here at my feet, regaling in my apparent happiness (i.e., laughing at your antics), when in the middle of my guffaw I was forced to scowl. She was discombobulated to say the least. If you don’t care about me, please be considerate for my dog and don’t make me scowl again. I beseech you, don’t ever allow for the truth again, even the smallest particle of it! I have already judged you to be 100% a liar and buried you. Don’t make me dig you up again even for the slightest correction of my judgment, please!

#113725 by Robert

Robert, given all the availible information to date, a person would have to be blind not to see the connections.

You can attribute http://www.giyus.org/ for spamming against this and other critical articles implicating Israel.  Most likely funded with U.S. Aid money. 

A few people spamming with computers 24/7 can seem like an army if organized and done correctly.

High-Fivers and Art Student Spies

What Did Israel Know in Advance of the 9/11 Attacks?

By CHRISTOPHER KETCHAM

03/07/07 “Counterpunch”

Choking off the press coverage

“There was similar pressure brought against the media venues that ventured to report out the allegations of 9/11- related Israeli espionage. A former ABC News employee high up in the network newsroom told me that when ABC News ran its June 2002 exposé on the celebratory New Jersey Israelis, “Enormous pressure was brought to bear by pro-Israeli organizations”—and this pressure began months before the piece was even close to airing. The source said that ABC News colleagues wondered, “how they [the pro-Israel organizations] found out we were doing the story. Pro- Israeli people were calling the president of ABC News. Barbara Walters was getting bombarded by calls. The story was a hard sell but ABC News came through the management insulated [reporters] from the pressure”.

The experience of Carl Cameron, chief Washington correspondent at Fox News Channel and the first mainstream U.S. reporter to present the allegations of Israeli surveillance of the 9/11 hijackers, was perhaps more typical, both in its particulars and aftermath. The attack against Cameron and Fox News was spearheaded by a pro-Israel lobby group called the Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America (CAMERA), which operated in tandem with the two most highly visible powerhouse Israel lobbyists, the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) and the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (itself currently embroiled in a spy scandal connected to the Defense Department and Israeli Embassy). “CAMERA pep- pered the shit out of us”, Carl Cameron told me in 2002, referring to an e-mail bombardment that eventually crashed the Fox News.com servers. Cameron himself received 700 pages of almost identical e-mail messages from hundreds of citizens (though he suspected these were spam identities). CAMERA spokesman Alex Safian later told me that Cameron’s upbringing in Iran, where his father traveled as an archeologist, had rendered the reporter “very sympathetic to the Arab side”. Safian added, “I think Cameron, personally, has a thing about Israel”—coded language implying that Cameron was an anti-Semite. Cameron was outraged at the accusation.

According to a source at Fox News Channel, the president of the ADL, Abraham Foxman, telephoned executives at Fox News’ parent, News Corp., to demand a sit-down in the wake of the Cameron reportage. The source said that Foxman told the News Corp. executives, “Look, you guys have generally been pretty fair to Israel. What are you doing putting this stuff out there? You’re killing us”. The Fox News source continued, “As good old boys will do over coffee in Manhattan, it was like, well, what can we do about this? Finally, Fox News said, ‘Stop the e-mailing. Stop slamming us. Stop being in our face, and we’ll stop being in your face—by way of taking our story down off the web. We will not retract it; we will not disavow it; we stand by it. But we will at least take it off the web.’” Following this meeting, within four days of the posting of Cameron’s series on Fox News.com, the transcripts disappeared, replaced by the message, “This story no longer exists”.”

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article17260.htm

#113681 by niloroth on 11/15 at 12:08 am
(117 comments total)

Robert:
While that comic you posted is funny, and has a slight ring of truth too it, when you start posting things that blame jews for the events of 9/11; against atll logic and evidence, you move away from anti-zionism, and right into anti-semitism.  I strongly suggest you look into the ways the jews in germany were subjected to lies and half truthes in the run upto the holocaust.

you hate jews, at least have the balls to admit it robert.

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Hey “Nil-Rot”...your “hate jews” flags don’t work on me and a lot of other Americans who are NOT afraid to tell the TRUTH. You and your ilk almost always never fail to bring up and start flashing your ADL tactics of Jew haters, anti-semitism, holocaust, Hitler…and so on.

Your Israeli Mossad was involved with 9/11 and if you really want proof…go and after all the “classified information and documents” related to 9/11.

I really don’t give a damn about your worn out ADL/AIPAC tactics of “hate jews, holocaust” here and anywhere.

If you are an ADL/AIPAC watch-dog, then just keep barking & frothing at the mouth!

Robert:

While that comic you posted is funny, and has a slight ring of truth too it, when you start posting things that blame jews for the events of 9/11; against atll logic and evidence, you move away from anti-zionism, and right into anti-semitism.  I strongly suggest you look into the ways the jews in germany were subjected to lies and half truthes in the run upto the holocaust. 

you hate jews, at least have the balls to admit it robert.

HOW TO GET RID OF ANTI-SEMITISM !

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#113259 by Peter RV

Peter,

I believe you. I really do. And, I say that because my own knowledge about this is very limited. Or, at best to say…shallow. I wasn’t following the details very closely at the time. (specifically the Camp David stuff). I mean I was aware of it, and read whatever the local media had to offer on it, but that wasn’t much. (or, it would have been very slanted). It was before I had access to the internet, so I honestly didn’t follow it much at the time.

And since, I’ve learned a bit more, but here again, it’s been compact. I only knew that it was NOT successful, those I do have colleagues who seem to think that something was accomplished. For THEM, maybe so. They are not Palestinians however. They’re Egyptians.

Of course it’s completely obvious that NOTHING has improved for the Palestinians and that things are only worse. (if they could have gotten worse). I never knew before though, that Hillary was that much on that side of the whole thing. I wasn’t planning to vote for her anyway, but this actually WAS news to me.

Now, there WAS a time, when Barack Obama was interested in taking up the cause of the Palestinians, and actually doing something. It would appear that he’s become diverted with his campaign. I don’t know if he takes any money from AIPAC, but like I said, there was a time….in the past, where he at least appeared to be involved with doing something.

Meantime, cruise over to the thread on Oil is King. And then the one on Kucinich and losing our democracy. You’ll see that even though I’m semi ignorant to ALL of Israels crimes, (Or, let me put it this way….I’m very much aware of Israels crimes against the Palestinians, as well as their 60 year old history of violating every int’l law, contract, treaty, agreement, etc, etc) BUT, I had been relatively ignorant, (until maybe a few years ago) of just how much our own politics are governed by Israel. Like, I didn’t learn until recently that Sharon had claimed to ‘own’ us.

So, I just said that to say that I have been relatively naïve, until a few years ago, of just how much Israel was running ALL of our affairs here at home. I honestly didn’t know that Hillary or Bill were slaves to them. So, it was a shocker for me. But, I’ve trusted you guys to educate me, and you’ve done well. I trust your judgment on this.

Still, look at that thread. If you read some of the stuff directed at me, you’d think I was queen of the Israel bashers. Go figure.

PS, They’re mostly whining about Iran. Now on IRAN, I AM well informed, and so I know better. And, in that case, Israel is making all of it’s own problems, and it’s been just fine with Cheney and his cabal. So, they don’t get any sympathy at all from me on Iran. Iran hasn’t done anything to Israel, though I would agree that the catastrophe of Iraq has increased their influence in the area. But hey…they LIVE there. They’ve been living there a real long time.

So, check out some of my hate threats on the Oil is King.

#113147 by A. Z. Arrow

A.Z. I’m dumbstruck. Seriously, I had no idea.

•  4)…” Because she took personal initiate (when other member Congress did not choose to supplicate themselves in this manner) to stand vigil at the Israeli Apartheid Wall in Palestine while she denounced the Palestinian people as “terrorist.””…

The rest of the stuff, I knew, which is why I’ve never considered voting for her myself. I had NO IDEA that she’d made this appearance at that horrific wall, or made these statements.

Now, in THIS vein, (even if in nothing else) I don’t believe she’s acting or thinking in a ‘team manner’ with her husband, since he actually DID make an attempt to resolve this age old atrocity, albeit unsuccessfully. I’m also doubtful if her husband would have so readily agreed to the destruction of Iraq, since he had steadfastly refused to do it 10 years ago, when the same PNAC team of thugs were trying desperately to ‘take Saddam out” back then. Bill wasn’t going for it then, but I guess anything can change. Still, I think he was simply more pragmatic and logical in that respect.

So, I don’t know what the hell Hillary was thinking when she cast her vote to give the psychopath authority to use force against Iraq. She later ‘claimed’ of course, that she didn’t know. That she ‘thought’ she was ‘approving’ the continuation of inspections by the UN, and as well as the sanctions that were already brutal. (and for that, he husband does get to share the blame.) But, even if she ‘didn’t know’ – as she claims, it still looks just as bad, because…SHE SHOULD HAVE!!!It was her JOB to know. She’s an attorney, she was SUPPOSED to know. If the everyday citizen had at least a general idea, then we should have been able to expect ALL of Congress to know better.

Instead, you’ve revealed her presence and her remarks at this wall, which simply adds insult to injury. No, It’s more than that. It’s unconscionable. It’s the epitome of what Franker Than Frank said in his post about politicians in general. How DARE she!!

Anyway, thanks again for the info. I really was unaware, in part because I’ve paid little attention to her since she did in fact vote to authorize the use of force against Iraq, and has continued to talk about “American interests” in the Middle East. It’s the same arrogant hubris as the current bunch. The imperial Americans.

#113147 by A. Z. Arrow

Good list of standards, A.Z. As for myself, I abandoned all hope in politicians so long ago that I wouldn’t vote for one irrespective what he/she does or says. I have never known a politician that was not a liar. In fact, it’s what the word actually means. To be “political” about something means to be disengenuous, evasive, non-commital, Janus-faced. The one thing it does not mean is “be entirely truthful.”

Some folks say, “But it’s all we have. What else can we do?”

What else we can do is reject the entire thing and ostracize it. It wouldn’t mean the end of the world.

One day I decided that television is just about nothing but mental swill. I packed up my brand new 25” set (that was a big thing at the time) and stored it in a spare room, figuring to use it from time to time for music instruction videos.

In time I told a few friends I had stopped watching TV. They were aghast. “How will you know anything about world event’s, current events? How will you know anything about anything? God, I would die without my TV set!”

This was fifteen or twenty years ago. People that know me don’t turn their set on when I am present—because they feel guilty, I suppose.

However, when 911 came down I was one of, if not “the” first, individual in the nation to know what really happened. I write “the first” meaning that not even one second intervened in which I believed the fairy tale about it. Surely there must have been at least a few other non perps that knew.
Most of the people I know still don’t know.

And so, how has throwing out my TV hurt my knowledge? To the contrary, I have gained.

I said the above about the TV set episode to illustrate that politics and politicians are like the TV set. They can be thrown out. They can be ignored. They can be despised for what they are.

If everybody turned their backs on politicians as I have turned mine (against them and the TV set), the world would not end (except maybe for the politicians.) Indeed, the very opposite could occur, the world could be delivered from evil.

The only alternative to throwing them out lock, stock and barrel is just to watch the wheels fall off, as I am doing now.

> Thank you PatrickHenry.

> Peter RV: you are right, my friend is a Democrat but that doesn’t “disqualify him completely”  from speaking his mind.  Nor does it disqualify his Republican neighbors from saying what they please or from satirizing their make-believe opposition. It was my effort to lighten it up a bit.

> And, unlike my friend, I hold a different standard:

I will not vote for Hillary Clinton should she be the Democrats’ choice because

1)unlike Cynthia McKinney, Robert Bird, and Ted Kennedy she voted to give Bush emergency powers to go to war against Iraq.
2) Because of Bill Clinton and his sleazy weather-vane politics (and his policies when he was President) that hurt our nation and the American people, and because the Clinton’s say they are a team.
3) Because Hillary beats the drum for war against Iran.
4) Because she took personal initiate (when other member Congress did not choose to supplicate themselves in this manner) to stand vigil at the Israeli Apartheid Wall in Palestine while she denounced the Palestinian people as “terrorist.” (And you can note that I will not vote for anyone that receives campaign donations from APIC or from prominent members of the Israeli government with possible exceptions made on my part for Israelis that work with B’Tselem or donations mad by other prominent Israeli human rights organizations or for those Israelis who openly seek full and equal rights as well as independence –and I don’t mean “autonomy”-  for the nation of Palestine. These concerns extend to lobbies.) And I can tell you, from the moment I spotted the photos of Hillary Clinton standing vigil in front of the Concentration Camp Wall erected in Palestine by Sharon and the Lukudites, and then read her remarks, I said “never.”
5) Because she has failed to use her office and public prominence to call for a new and independent investigation into 9/11.
6) And I will not vote for her because of her failure to provide a detailed program for America.

As to the Republican candidates: I will not vote for a candidate that does not openly proclaim opposition to Bush War of Aggression Against the People of Iraq, nor will I vote for a candidate that threatens war against Iran, I will not vote for a candidate that does not call for a reduction in military spending (the major cause of the deficit), for a candidate that does not support the American people, for candidates that avoid the issue of national debt. Nor will I vote for a candidate that will not speak to the historic oppression of the Palestinian people by Israel, or for a candidate that does not call for a new and independent investigation into the events of 9/11.

I apply the same standard to all candidates.

~A. Z. Arrow
November 12, 2007

Excellent post Arrow.

I have a suspicion that each of us could make up a similar list for the “spineless” democrats. Anyway, I received this from a friend and would like to share it.

I promise to get back to 9/11 in my next posting. ~Arrow (an independent)

Subject: To be a republican you need to believe:

1. Jesus loves you, and shares your hatred of homosexuals and Hillary Clinton

2. Saddam was a good guy when Reagan armed him, a bad guy when Bush’s Daddy made war on him, a good guy when Cheney did business with him, and a bad guy when Bush needed a “we can’t find Bin Laden” diversion.

3. Trade with Cuba is wrong because the country is Communist, but trade with China and Vietnam is vital to a spirit of international harmony.

4. The United States should get out of the United Nations, and our highest national priority is enforcing U.N. resolutions against Iraq.

5. A woman can’t be trusted with decisions about her own body, but multinational drug corporations can make decisions affecting all mankind without regulation.

6. The best way to improve military morale is to praise the troops in speeches, while slashing veterans’ benefits and combat pay.

7. If condoms are kept out of schools, adolescents won’t have sex.

8. A good way to fight terrorism is to belittle our longtime allies, then demand their cooperation and money.

9. Providing health care to all Iraqis is sound policy, but providing health care to all Americans is socialism. HMO’s and insurance companies have the best interests of the public at heart.

10. Global warming and tobacco’s link to cancer are junk science, but creationism should be taught in schools.

11. A president lying about an extramarital affair is an impeachable offense, but a president lying to enlist support for a war in which thousands die is solid defense policy.

12. Government should limit itself to the powers named in the Constitution, which include banning gay marriages and censoring the Internet.

13. The public has a right to know about Hillary’s cattle trades, but George Bush’s driving record is none of our business.

14. Being a drug addict is a moral failing and a crime, unless you’re a conservative radio host. Then it’s an illness and you need our prayers for your recovery.

15. Supporting “Executive Privilege” for every Republican ever born, who will be born or who might be born (in perpetuity.)

16. What Bill Clinton did in the 1960’s is of vital national interest, but what Bush did in the ‘80’s is irrelevant.

17. Support for hunters who shoot their friends and blame them for wearing orange vests similar to those worn by the quail.

Part 1 of 2#112448, and #112464 by Franker than Frank

Franker,

Your posts simply delight me!! Especially the one about the voices. When you relay your experiences in coming to recognize them, I can immediately ‘connect’. It’s like you’re articulating the exact same “path” that I’ve experienced myself; and yes…beginning as a much younger and dare I say, ‘dumber’ person. Dumber may not be a good word, because obviously, if we were in fact dumb, we wouldn’t have eventually figured it out. So, maybe just young and inexperienced. And, as you have so well articulated, over time, we begin to recognize it all on the spot.

I think my own largest ‘fault’ in this process, (creating set-backs that eventually provided their own continued learning experiences) was just in not following through with, or heeding my own intuitive knowledge of those voices. In other words, how many times should one need to be burned or stabbed, or whatever else, to know that they should pay attention to their own common sense? So, I’ve definitely been guilty of that on more than a few occasions. And, that has in part to do with a certain degree of immaturity, and maybe even young arrogance. (kids always think they know everything, and can do anything.) And, since I generally didn’t take anybody’s ‘word’ for anything, I had to learn all of that stuff through trial and error.

Still, what you’ve explained about being under constant surveillance is probably the most annoying for me, and it seems to go in stages, (at least in my own experience). And, it’s back. These ‘voices’ are coming from multiple locations now, (besides this board) and it’s annoying as hell, if only because I’ve got other stuff to do these days. I agree that it’s sort of fun, (I’m even enjoying it myself now on occasion) but it was far more fun when I actually had time. Here of late, (and specifically in my own much smaller environment, as opposed to just this board of the occasional trolls) it’s taken on the form of outright harassment, so I’m getting pissed off. On the other hand, it serves the purpose of knocking me out of my more laid back approach to things in general. I’m definitely of the ‘live and let live’ mentality. So, as long as nobody’s messin’ with me, I have no need or reason to bother anybody else. (I COULD, -if I had the PM, but I just don’t care to). But, start harassing me with bullshit, and at some point, I’m gonna be annoyed enough to put it right back, and that’s when they get all frantic, because they were too stupid to know what they were dealing with to begin with.

So, the gubby’s are after me in full force now, even though the efforts are clearly of the Keystone Kopps variety, and they just keep stepping further and further into it. But, I guess it’s good practice, (for me) especially after several months of me mostly goofing off. Still, how long can one be bothered with swatting at flies until we just call the exterminator? It’s like, I’m trying to send diplomatic warnings, that they really might not want to open that box, not knowing what’s inside. But, they just keep poking and prodding at it anyway. Then, when the whole thing backfires on ‘em, they wanna look around and wonder what happened. (it happens every time) And of course, it can never be their own fault, just for being stupid in the first place.

Anyway, you’re so right about the a/c technology. It has indeed been around for decades, though my only direct experience was several years ago, when a captain did actually suffer a fatal heart attack during a routine flight. I don’t remember the airline involved, but the aircraft was a DC-10. And, while the co-pilot was perfectly capable of landing the thing, (since they alternate on the take-off/landing responsibilities anyhow) they did kick in the automatic system on that occasion. And, as the years have passed, the technology is even more advanced, just like everything else.

To be contd.

Part 2 of 2 thanks to Franker

So, while the operation on 9/11 certainly COULD have been orchestrated from Tower 7, (and it makes sense that it may have been, since there was no other reason to destroy that building as well) the scary part is that it could have been orchestrated from ANYWHERE in the entire system, and could have been pre-programmed accordingly. It’s not something that I originally gave much thought to myself, since I think most of us are inclined to see what at least ‘appears’ to be the obvious. It’s only later, when the ‘obvious’ (created) is actually IMPOSSIBLE, that we’re guided to look beyond it. At THAT point, it’s real easy to become annoyed, if only because most of us don’t accept being lied to – at least not about things that so thoroughly affect our lives, individually or collectively. And, we certainly are ALL living with the effects of 9/11 – even those who have yet to make the connections, and likely never will. It kicked off this total destruction of our collective existence, at least as a democracy, and we’re now the same failed state that so many others have suffered, at least as far back as the collapse of the Roman Empire.

And, those who HAVE made the connections, as more and more of the stuff comes to light, are clearly targets. Thing is, how can they keep that many people quiet on this? I mean, how many people can be silenced by rendition, torture, lynching, (social, economic and otherwise) or just outright murder? At some point, some folks are gonna start to notice. And, while MOST may be ‘contained by fear’, there will always be the brave few who will come forward, just like the kid who finally said it out loud…”The Emperor Has No Clothes”.

The irony here, (at least from my view) is that it’s another backfire type operation. By disabling so many, via banishment from the mainstream, be it an economic or socio-political banishment, they really set up an alternate psychological environment that counteracts the very fear that they’ve used to maintain the silence and the oppression. In other words, when there’s nothing left to lose, the fear becomes impotent. The motivations for ‘staying in place’ or maintaining the status quo evaporate, because the status quo is no longer applicable to those who have been pushed to the fringes. It’s like, people (at least many) begin to articulate the basic question…”What’s the worst that could happen”, that hasn’t already? And, it’s a reasonable question, just as it is reasonable for those who have nothing, to have nothing to lose.

Tao Walker re-emphasized this basic theory in response to an article by Chris Hedges not long ago. (and I like Chris Hedges, because I believe him to be a good thinker, and he has some experience to go with it). But, Tao made that point that - in that piece, (as with many others) Chris was writing from a viewpoint of one who still felt that there was something to lose. In reality, I think that as a collection of citizens of the State, we’re probably beyond that. BUT, we can at least attempt to stop the destruction. Now of course I don’t know if that’s likely to happen, because we could have done that ages ago, with the structure/system that was already in place, imperfect though it may have always been. Still, this decline hasn’t happened overnight, and there is far too much that simply cannot be repaired. But, we can at least stop the on-going destruction.

Okee Doke, Now I have to prepare a potion for my tormentors, just to keep them at bay long enough for me to get some stuff done. Thanks again for the delightful posts. Very inspiring. I always like it when things ‘click’.

Cyrena, one other thing about “voice.”

In my early days when undercover police were dispatched to get close to me and “befriend” me so that I could be “guided” with the design of making a patsy of some kind out of me, I could not discern them from Adam. I only knew that there was a “sameness” about them somehow, even though they looked like everybody else that was close to me.

Many years went by before I began to realize how I was being used (and misused, even abused, and eaten.) And I began to recognize what was preying on me. There was a big fight at one point: me, versus “them” or “it.” After the smoke cleared and I saw that I was still standing, I flatly turned them/it off, as I control the spigot.

Well, we both began to wax sophisticated at that point. At first they’d been like bumbling Keystone Kopps, but I didn’t know it, as I was young and bumbling, too. I had thought they were ordinary folks like everybody else. When I realized they were far from ordinary, but indeed were eating me for food, I waxed sophisticated mostly to stay alive. As I waxed, they were forced to wax. Whereas they were quite rudimentary in the early stages when I was young and rudimentary, I mean like a Neolithic variety of each of us, as I began to wax mentally sophisticated, they began to dispatch undercover PhDs and Masters of this and that, with the very least of those making “undercover” contact with me possessing a minimum of a graduate degree of some kind, even if only a Bachelor’s.

Then I ran into the pro’s: psychiatrists and such. These were the easiest for me to overcome. I owned them even before any of them realized it.

I love psychiatrists and psychologists. They taste sooooo gooooood, and they are sooo helpless. Ha, ha, ha. (A private joke of mine.)

Anyway, when the folks (things?) that were feeding on me realized that I was able to ID them by their mannerisms (body language—another form of “voice”), they began to dispatch agents that were less trained in the arts of PM (police mentality.) As I continued to ID them and effectively resist the hungry (ravenous) feeding tubes they were trying to stick in me (like mosquitoes sucking blood), it/they continued to train undercover agents less and less, hoping that I would be unable to ID them by virtue of their “training mannerisms.” It made no sense to send somebody at me that I could ID while they were still on the horizon, right? It went this way until the principle of “diminishing returns” kicked in.  Now the most they could do was instruct somebody that was virtually a neophyte PM, and say, “Go undercover and get the goods on FTF.”

What goods? Well, nobody could know, as, if they were told what the goods are, it would be passed on to me (by that “stink” I mentioned earlier) and then I would know they were gubby agents, which I would resist by “turning off the spigot.” And so, now the only gubby agents that can get close to me without my knowing are basically “non-agents” with very little instructions on how to “handle” me to serve me up as food for whatever it is that is eating humanity. Which suits me just fine.  Now we are back at square one, before “it” began feeding on me to begin with, and I am much wiser for the whole episode in between, but the “eater” is still not so smart. Behold its bumblings today.

Since I know who, what, where why and how I am these days (“sophistication,” you see), a grim life and death struggle that was all about “eat FTF” has become a game for me and it is great fun today. Now I’m just a boy and his dog again, and maybe impervious to gubby eaters (may I even use a Hitlerian coin here: “useless eaters?”)

Re: #112255 by cyrena

Thanks for mentioning that “flight plan uploading” thing again, Cyrena. You’ve mentioned it several times before but it didn’t mean much to me until this last time. As I was reading this referenced post I remembered seeing many years ago a newsreel blurb about airplanes that can now land themselves and passengers don’t need to worry about trying to land the thing themselves in the event the pilots somehow go crazy or are otherwise immobilized. And so this has been the thing for a long time. And of course, if the a/c needed to be landed remotely, this would require, mandate in fact, that the remote “stick” on the ground (or wherever, even in the air somewhere) render the controls aboard the a/c inoperable, making the pilot a passenger, right?

And so I think you’re entirely correct. Instead of “landing” the a/c on a typical landing field, a rogue remote controller would be able to “land” the a/c into the side of any building of choice, in this case, the WTC, and there’s nothing the pilots could do about it because servo mechanisms would have disabled the a/c’s control mechanisms. Considering how bldg 7 was filled with electronic stuff that is still top secret, it could easily have “summoned” the a/c to that very spot. This technology has been out for a very long time, as I recall seeing it maybe in the lat 60’s or 70’s, but it didn’t mean much to me at the time. It means everything now. Thanks for that, and a tip of my hat. I’m sure I now have that together.

One thing about Nillie I would like to point out. I am 100% sure he is a cop of some kind. The way I know is almost like clairvoyance, except not nearly as romantic and “esoteric.”

In fact, it is quite drearily down to earth.  As many know, everybody has a “voice,” and not only the one with which they speak. We all have “writing” voices as well. I have taken it much farther than this, however, and recognized that we all have “thinking” voices and “mannerism” voices.  All of these “voices” (of which I name only a few here) are as unique to the individual as fingerprints and DNA.

I told you that one of my main specialties has always been criminology, even non- professionally, a hobby. It’s just an interest of mine that fascinates me. Well, in all those years (as many as 50+) I learned the “voices” of policemen and criminals (the same quite often.)  No matter how “undercover,” a cop can’t talk to me without my knowing, as I know the voice. (I called it “smell” earlier.) Do you know your sweet mother’s voice? Well, I know “generic” voices as well as you know your mother’s unique one. 

It is said of some that they never forget a face.  I may forget faces, but I never forget a voice. Once I know one’s voice, I can ID it any time I see it, in any of its myriad forms, in writings, mannerisms or vocalizations.  The vocal “sound” of the voice is probably the very least enduring aspect of “voice.”  For me, one can have a vocal chord operation that changes the sound entirely, but I still recognize the “voice” that the organism projects thru it. And unless he/she has had some extremely intensive training, “voice” can’t be masked.  Even with training it is probably ultimately impossible for anybody to mask his/her “voice” from me once I recognize it. I’m just that good.

I said all that to say that this is how I recognize niliroth. This dude is a cop born and bred. There’s no way he can conceal it.  He is so afflicted that if I saw him in a crowd on the street I would no doubt ID his “voice” in the way he carries himself, as said “carriage” profile is another kind of “voice” I recognize. 

If I were Nillie right now I would say to me, “Touché, Master, you got me.” But Nillie is a professional cop, and no cop would ever bow to me, because he fears I would take over his “world” and dispossess him. (Hey Nillie, I’ve already done it. Look around yourself and see. Ha, ha, ha.)

#112135 by Franker than Frank
•  …Frank the psychiatrist’s claim that, because he has a small craft pilot’s license, he is aware that “anybody that has a valid pilot’s license could easily take the wheel of a 757 and fly it like a seasoned F-16 fighter pilot,” I must point out that several people have told me this same thing… so Frank is not alone here. It means here are other misinformed people just like him with the same fantasy.
•  …if piloting 757’s were ..easy, why do airlines pay pilots so much? Why don’t they just advertise for anybody with a pilot’s license? It would be so easy: just take the small craft pilot on a couple of flights to make sure he has the manual dexterity to do the job, then turn him loose on his own.
Not just the PILOTS’ manual dexterity. Can you do the same thing with a VW that you can with an 18-wheeler? Of course not, not even if you had a license for the big guy. Sounds like Frank’s fantasy. Maybe he needs a psych.

Franker, this questions requires some elaboration, because there is this sort of paradox to this question, maybe a dialectical sort of relationship to the whole thing. Of course we know that airlines do pay their pilots quite well, (or they used to; there are some very serious pay disparities now, between the ‘tiers’, and it’s enough to scare you, but I’ll save that for later). More importantly is that airlines have and do pay their pilots quite well, but they ALSO invest a considerable amount of money in training them to SPECIFIC aircraft. Anytime they upgrade, (say from F/O to Capt) they go through training. Anytime they change from say a McDonald Douglas, or Lockheed, or Boeing, or Airbus, to any one of the same, it’s more training. Anytime they move from a narrow-bodied aircraft to a wide-bodied aircraft, it’s more training. Anytime they go from straight domestic flights to overwater flights (that operate beyond a radar environment), it’s more training. And, they have to stay current on all of that stuff. So, even if they don’t change aircraft types, they still have to do recurrent training, because the FAA requires it, even if the airline itself doesn’t.

And, I’m not talking about a week or so hanging around in a simulator, (though that too, is a requirement for any pilot that doesn’t do a minimum of 3 take-offs and landings within any 30 day period) but rather some serious training – like anywhere from 8-12 weeks, depending on the circumstances. They must also undergo physical exams, by an FAA doctor, and well as the airlines’ docs. (I can’t remember the time frame on that, but like every 12 months, with maybe a 30 day grace period). So, if anybody tells you that if you can fly one airplane, you can fly them all, you should stay the hell away from them. Frank the psych apparently doesn’t even know the difference between IFR and VFR, (instrument v visual flight rules). Single engine v twin or more engine, etc. He’s the type that gives controllers nightmares. They get lost and have to be vectored in, a pain in the ass.
BUT, here’s the paradox on that. The 757/767 series can in fact be programmed to follow just about any route, and basically fly itself, once it’s in the air. It can’t take off by itself, (though it could land by itself if need be) and it can’t do what they claim the airplane did at the Pentagon, just because it’s physically impossible for that aircraft type, no matter WHO the pilot is. But for sure, the flight plans are in fact uploaded into the flight deck computers on these a/c, and can be, (though they don’t necessarily have to be) remotely controlled via that system, leaving the pilots basically powerless.

In my opinion, that’s the only way that the a/c at the WTC could have done what we think we saw them do. I don’t know of ANY pilot, (and we’re talking about EIGHT of them on 9/11) who could be so easily ‘taken out’ by anyone, or who would give up his/her aircraft so easily, without any sort of a fight.

Boxcutters? I think not.

#112143 by niloroth on 11/07 at 10:48 am

OK Nimrod, let’s get this straight. Exactly which choices are you giving me? I either get to be a liar, gullible, or have memory issues? Which oh which should I pick? Tell ya what, YOU can decide for me.

Meantime, just so you understand, I made it very clear that I was indeed familiar with the statement by Rumsfeld, (and others) that “We needed a new Pearl Harbor.” I didn’t remember confirming that on this particular thread, and I was thinking in terms of this particular thread. Still, if you say that I wrote it, (too bad you didn’t add a date and time) then it would be because I’m very familiar with the statement, and even if I haven’t repeated it HERE, I certainly have repeated it in other postings, and in my other work as well. So, without a doubt, I’m familiar with the statement, and I’m now familiar with his more recent ‘slip of the tongue’ that suggested what many of us have believed all along…that a missile hit the Pentagon. (757 passenger jets don’t carry missiles)

Now I’m sure that I wasn’t the first one to restate Rumsfeld’s suggestion that we needed a New Pearl Harbor, (to advance the agenda of the Thugs, determined long before they orchestrated The Coup of December 2000) And yes, I was even aware of the statement before Dr. Griffith wrote his book. So, I’m sorry it troubles you, but maybe you should take that up with Rummy, since he’s the one that it was first attributed to.

I’m sorry I haven’t shown the proper appreciation for your adoration, obsession, and longstanding flattery. I mean, for you to go to all the trouble to look through all of my posts, and memorize every word of them, is just more than I can begin to appreciate, so I’ll try harder. Do you dream about me as well? Lord knows I should be grateful for all of the free advertisement you bring to my thoughts and opinions. I’m starting to feel like I’ve finally joined the crowd of the “Favorite Professors”. Ya know how that goes, all campuses have some professors that are just really popular, because they know so much, and they present the material so well. Thanks for making me feel like such a celeb, even though I’ve never really thought of myself as such. Not long ago, Douglas Chalmers even recommended me for Attorney General, but I modestly declined, since there are so many others far more qualified than I am for that position. But, you’ve certainly managed to assist in building up my reputation as a candidate to conduct a new investigation into the events of 9/11, and I’m very qualified for that job, and I’d be more than happy to do it.

Still, you’re beginning to bore me, so while I’ll continue to appreciate your fan mail, and all of the attention, I probably won’t have time to respond. You’ve pretty much run though your intellectually inferior repertoire, and so there’s no intrigue or mystery there to keep me interested. In short, you just don’t know anything, and I’m the type who’s always captivated by people who actually DO know stuff.

But, just so you don’t have to quit playing entirely, maybe you could just switch to another ‘idol’. I mean, if it’s just my exposing the lies of the official 9/11 story that has you so captivated, there are millions of others like me out there, who know as much as I do, and probably a lot more. Matter of fact, FTF has already offered to be your special tutor, and he’s really good. I’ve learned a bunch of stuff from him myself, and a recommendation from ME, is like really – the top of the heap. The crème de la crème if ya know what I mean.

So, he’ll be happy to entertain you and provide some guidance for your employers as well. AND, if you really ARE interested in finding out the truth of 9/11, there are several other ace researchers on this thread as well. Robert, Peter RV, PatrickHenry, 911truthdot.org, just to name a few. They’ve all been extremely helpful to me, and continue to be so.

Toodles nimrod.

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Doggone, Cyrena, how come the Jewish lobby, the MS trolls, the ITZW trolls, the niliroth trolls, and others of the ilk are only interested in romancing you, but none of them seem interested in “romancin’ the stone?”  You detest it but I love to be romanced by moronic trolls. I’ll bet that’s why they go after you, that you detest it. Also, it must be because you are black and a woman. They feel soooo superior to you. They think they can mentally “rape” you.

However, I am a pretty good judge and I think they are inferior to you. That’s how you knocked me sideways initially by recognizing pearls of wisdom I offered about the 911 fiasco that escaped the others and you actually put it back to me in a way that told me you comprehended it quite well.

And so, demonstratively, you are heads above superior to the gubby trolls that go after you with mental rape on their minds. Hell, I’m superior, too, but they won’t go after me. Upon the shortest few exchanges with me on 911 and related matters, they run away and lick wounds, then flee altogether, flailing their little arms and legs. Can you tell me what I’m doing wrong?

Should I behave more “coquettishly,” naive, even innocent and shy until they are firmly in my spider web, then pounce light lightning and “eat” them before they can get away? In short, how may I entice them to attack me in the manner they attack you? I think it would be great fun if all the trolls tried to mentally gang rape me at once, even if they had me in a strait jacket in the rubber room. But that’s why they won’t do it, right? They know I would love it.\

But then, isn’t that what gubs are all about? If they think you like it, they will pass laws against it and forbid it. If you hate it, then they want you to have it, even be surrounded by it.

It’s like dope. The real reason lawmakers and cops don’t like anybody but themselves having free access to the best dope is because they know it makes people high, and they want people to be low, right? If dope makes people feel good, then gub thinks it’s baaaad. Right, Nillie-poo?

Cyrena:

You speak of truth, but you lied about making that statement about “we need another pearl harbor”. That or you have some memory issues.  Which is it?

And as far as the quote goes, no one ever said that.  It is the name of a book. (fairy tale really) but not a quote.  The PNAC document does make reference to

“Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event––like a new Pearl Harbor”

However, that is light years away from “we need a new pearl harbor.” anyone with a basic grasp of reading comprehension can tell that.  So either you are lying when you use that quote, or you blindly accept what the scam artists in the truth movement tell you.  Which is it in that case?

Are you a liar, or gullible?

Re: #112051 by cyrena

Cyrena, I am acquainted with Ray McGovern. He’s one of the famous “CIA 7,” which are pros that have joined together to deny the reality of the official conspiracy theory the govt concocted for rubes (and patsies and Internet trolls.)

For a long time I ran into folks like niliroth, et al., that said, “Show me some pros inside the govt that deny the official story and I’ll be impressed. All I have heard from are kooks.” (As though all non-rubes, i.e., smart people, are kooks.)

When I am able to give them several hundred of the kind of “pros” they requested, all of them screaming bloody murder, the “niliroths” remain eerily silent. Does this mean they are “impressed?”

Also, on the subject of Frank the psychiatrist’s claim that, because he has a small craft pilot’s license, he is aware that “anybody that has a valid pilot’s license could easily take the wheel of a 757 and fly it like a seasoned F-16 fighter pilot,” in all fairness (if it matters) I must point out that several people have told me this same thing. And so Frank is not alone here. It means here are other misinformed people just like him with the same fantasy.

Being a pro himself, and in the psych field at that, I am surprised that Frank lacks the capacity to follow that thought to its most rational conclusion: among others
being that, if piloting 757’s were all that easy, then why do airlines pay their pilots so much? Why don’t they just advertise for anybody with a pilot’s license? It would be so easy: just take the small craft pilot on a couple of flights to make sure he has the manual dexterity to do the job, then turn him loose on his own.

What these dunces do by making the claim that even a very bad (non)pilot such as Hani Hanjour could fly the 757 like a seasoned fighter pilot, is that they put the professional level of large, highly complex passenger craft piloting in the same category as hod carriers (laborers that carry concrete to brick layers.)  Or lawn mowing. If you can mow your own lawn, then why couldn’t you mow any other?

Thus, if you can fly any airplane at all, then why couldn’t you fly, say, the Space Shuttle, a rocket ship bound for the moon, or the largest jumbo passenger craft? I mean, what could be so complicated about any of it, right?

I wonder what Frank. or any of the others that possess this delusion, would do if any of them were a passenger on a jumbo jet in which the pilots came to his seat and said, “Since you have a license to fly a Piper Cub, we wonder if you would mind flying this thing to Los Angeles and landing it for us, as we are planning on parachuting out the door in a few minutes?”

Do you suppose you would smell that characteristic odor of somebody dribbling down his leg at that moment?  Do you suppose Frank would be pleading for his life, or that he would just reply, “Sure, it’s piece of cake,” and jump behind the wheel like a pro?

And more than that, if Frank were FORCED to get behind the wheel because both pilots DID jump out, do you suppose he could find the precise airport he was looking for in LA?  Ha, ha, ha, do you think he could even find LA?  Forget LA, do you think he could find California? 

Ha, ha, ha, forget it all, Frank would be a dead man in just a few minutes.

So much for Hani Hanjour piloting a 757 with military Top Gun fighter pilot precision.

#112020 by Franker than Frank

Franker,

Thanks for the link to Robert Baer. I wish I had time to read some of his books, and maybe I’ll just have to make time. (or assign them as reading for a class, which would then allow me to read them myself).

And, I appreciated the video as well. Matter of fact, I appreciate it maybe more than the average ‘truther’ who has been keeping up with these links and the Alex Jones collection for so long. BECAUSE, I never have had time to search or look much at the collections of these truthers. Not because I didn’t believe that they were worthy of investigation, but only because they’ve mostly come about in the past say 3 or so years, and I’ve been busy with other stuff. So, wasn’t I just delighted to discover that all of these people had the SAME questions and ‘noticed’ the SAME inconsistencies that I had formulated myself, since day one, only to have them ‘confirmed’ by the “Official Conspiracy” once it was published in early 2004.

In short, that means that my own ‘opinions’ have basically been formed without this input. And yet, they are consistent with what these others have noted. And since then, I’ve even developed some further ideas as to how it was all accomplished. (thanks to additional information that has come about in the past 3 years, and continues to come about….even stuff that the average person may not ‘connect’)

And of course this brings me back to something that Robert said some months ago…information comes from the least likely of sources. One just needs to have enough other knowledge to make the connections to it.

So, thanks again. Another of these former CIA professionals is Ray McGovern. He’s part of an organization named Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity. (VIPS) for short. He’s worth a look up if you have time. And, he’s written quite a bit. Most of his things have been published at Truthout.org and you can go to their website, and then search their archives for his name. I think he was “in the business” for like 27 years. Very informative, and definitely not a ‘crazy’ or a ‘conspiracy theorist’ in the terms that the deniers like to define as ‘conspiracy theorists’.

Speaking of “truthing,” below is another long term CIA official in a long line of such folks (and this one highly respected in more than just the CIA), that says 911 was probably an inside job. How do the niloroth trolls deal with this kind of thing? Does niliroth suppose that somebody would take his opinion over that of the veteran CIA official on this matter?

It’s like the earlier Frank (from which I spun my FTF name) who told us that, as a licensed private small craft pilot, he can expertly aver that any licensed pilot (even a bad one) could easily fly a 757 and maneuver it as they claim Hani Hanjour did at the Pentagon. It would be a piece of cake. He just plucked that one out of the air evidently. Then I showed him a former Navy Top Gun pilot that flew fighter planes for twenty years, that had flown 757’s for twenty years and other such craft for a total of forty plus years, who said that even he could not have negotiated the maneuvers claimed for the 757 in Hanjour’s hands.

I asked Frank whether I should take his “expert” opinion on the matter or that of the Top Gun’s. Then I said, “I think I’ll settle for the Top Gun’s expert opinion about the limitations of a 757 instead of your own extrapolations from kindergarten musings and all of your thirty hours of flying a Piper Cub.”

And so, who’s expert opinion are we to take on whether 911 was inside job, that of a highly decorated 20 yr CIA veteran, or an anonymous troll named niloroth? Read below about the CIA veteran and decide for yourself. I think I’ll take the CIA man on this one. Sorry, Willie Nillie, but you’ve been aced.

You decide:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2007/051107_inside_job.htm

#111990 by Franker than Frank
Franker,
I’ve taken just the following 2 passages from your post, if only to save space in my reply, because they go to the heart of the matter.

•  I was only kidding in one of my previous posts about not knowing why I have been watched/followed all my life by gubby agents. The above is why, of course.

•  It’s one of my purposes for being here: to tell the truth and to speak it to whatever “power” is “in my face,” be it the devil or only his minions afflicted with the police mentality (I call it “PM.”)

Now, there are ‘cops’ and there are ‘cops’. Not all are created equal, as you’ve noted. Not all are even ‘recognized’ as cops. I know many types of ‘cops’. The kind that allow themselves to be identified as such, and the kind that don’t. I have uncles who were in fact real cops. They worked for a real police department that actually did believe that it was their jobs to ‘protect and to serve’ (the public). I have cousins who were cops, one actually still is. Same thing. They believe their jobs to be to enforce the law, and to catch the ‘bad guys/girls’ and to utilize good judgment and fairness in the process. That said, I will acknowledge that they have ALWAYS been in the minority, and are probably even MORE in the minority now. (your 5% is probably very accurate)
Meantime, there are the types that have been following/watching you. And yes…ME too!! SOME of these types might actually be on a ‘government’ payroll, and others are more privately or corporately appointed. Increasingly, they are also ‘self appointed’ like bounty hunters and private watchdogs. (rendition teams and blackwater guards come to mind). Some of these may have various ‘contracts’ with government or other corporate entities, and some are just appointing themselves. Whatever the case, they are equally dangerous in my opinion, which is the same reason that I too, must ‘get in their faces’ if only to make it clear that I know what they are about, (and probably who sent them as well).

Nimrod is certainly not the first of these, nor do I expect him to be the last. And the ultimate ‘reason’ for all of this? Well, you said that as well. It’s about this pesky habit that we both seem to have, of addressing and uncovering TRUTH. So, if we had to put it in a nutshell, that is the reason why I’ve been a target, and it didn’t just start. It’s been the case for at least a decade with me, maybe longer.

And, the paradox of it all, is that their fear of what I know, (and might tell) is what actually ‘alerted’ me to most of these ‘truths’ to begin with. To quote a much younger colleague, (and in far more simplistic language) “They –tell- on themselves”. So it is.

Now in my case, I believe most of this harassment to be from my former employers, (and there’s tons of it that comes from far more than these public forums) Having failed to effectively lynch me via their earlier methods, (economically and otherwise) they’ve not yet given up. Nor do I expect them to. STILL, this public forum is a good way to make it clear, that I know what’s up. Yep, they’re watching me, and I want THEM to know that I know, they’re watching/following me. And, while I take this as harassment, (and wasted effort as well, since I don’t know nearly as much as they think I do) it’s not going to stop me from speaking those truths of which I AM aware, and that would include the fact that they are indeed ‘watching and following me”.

I’m not sure to which specific sub-group Nimrod reports, or if he’s just sort of ‘self-appointed’. Consequently, he simply has to be ‘exposed’ like all the rest of them. He may in fact disappear, only to be replaced by others. (along with the ones who do the same ‘work’ via other methods). Just so that THEY know, that I know…That’s all this is about.

And now, we can get back to the ‘truthing’ that so scares the shit out of them.

Cyrena, I don’t think you have much to be concerned about, as niloroth is obviously a cop.  While it’s true that, of all the criminals on this planet, cops are the most dangerous of the lot, and murderers to boot (visit some of the many graveyards of their victims and see, including those of 911), he is just having fun with you to pass away some of the boredom of his job.

Granted, when ANY cop focuses on you for ANY reason, you have cause for alarm, as you could be murdered at any moment (after all, murder and mayhem is what cops are all about, well, that and taking bribes—and some even direct traffic sometime and make themselves useful), but in a situation like the present, I think he will go away as he came, just a minor interruption, like a barking dog.  Don’t get the simile wrong here, I am not comparing cops to the noble dog, for I have reason to love and respect dogs, but I refer only to the “bark” of the dog, which is quite like cops doing the same thing. 

If you think the infamous “Aryan Brotherhood” is dangerous (a bloody group of barbarians founded inside the bowels of your own San Quentin State Prison in California over twenty years ago and so dangerous that they are kept in deep confinement), you can learn who is really dangerous if you get behind the scenes where cops do their dirtiest work. Indeed, I am a past expert on the topic, and I can say that cops are able to eclipse the terror of any Aryan Brother just in the routine function of their jobs sometime. Your real terror is the policeman, not the Aryan Brotherhood, not the “Muslim hordes.” Does this fact seem frightening? It should.

Obviously, not each and every cop is an over-the-edge maniac. Only about 95% or so would fit in this category. And so, if any of you know any exceptions, they would fall in the 5% category.

I was only kidding in one of my previous posts about not knowing why I have been watched/followed all my life by gubby agents. The above is why, of course. And when the venue is present, I tell those that are afflicted with the criminal/police mentality about it as quickly as I tell anybody that gets in my face. However, I am always nice about it and use educated language to convey the pictures.  Sometime it’s hard to tell a cop what a scum bucket he is, but there are ways and I know them all. Eventually I get it told so that he knows he’s been told.

It’s one of my purposes for being here: to tell the truth and to speak it to whatever “power” is “in my face,” be it the devil or only his minions afflicted with the police mentality (I call it “PM.”) 

Who or what am I (other than FTF), anyway? Well, I’ve always considered myself the spirit of America, and the very reason for the existence of the Declaration of Independence and the United States Constitution.  Is my job cut out for me, or what? I’ll have to live at least a thousand years.

•  #111923 by niloroth on 11/06 at 8:12 am
Cyrena:
post #108911:
“Still, one of its many intended purposes was already established, in advance, by Rumsfeld himself. He said, “We need a New Pearl Harbor.” Ergo, 9/11”

•  that was never said. I am really thinking you have serious memory issues.

Nimrod, you’re giving me the creeps. You addressed this to me, and you included a post number where I did in fact relay the statement that Rumsfeld made, about needing another Pearl Harbor. This means that YOU do in fact pay very close attention, -AT LEAST TO ME- and what I post. This is a concern. Because it would lead me, (and anyone else) to a conclusion that you must somehow be ‘obsessed’ in some way, with what I personally have to say, (or think) if not to the exclusion of all other posters, than at least for sure, I’m like at the top of your list. I don’t like it, and that now means that I’m gonna have everybody ELSE, paying this very same close attention to YOU.
Now, why didn’t you address THIS part of your BS to the individual who caught you on it. That was AZ Arrow, since he apparently didn’t like you twisting his stuff around either. The same goes for the rest of this stuff about the Israeli connection to 9/11, which I’ve already EXPLAINED to you, was all new information for me, since it was NOT a connection that I had previously made on my own. I’ve had to rely on other posters to make this information available.
Consequently, I NEVER said that the Israelis themselves had advance notice. But SOMEBODY obviously did, because SOMEBODY had to place all of the demolition equipment into the towers. It’s the same with the link that was originally posted by I believe Patrick Henry, (I don’t have time to look up the number) about the woman who had files locked up, that only came to light when she fell ill with cancer.
•  Again, i ask you, and i will point out that i provided the quote that you reference, explain how you justify the fact that the Israeli’s had advanced notice.

Here’s another example: You provided the reference for my quote on the New Pearl Harbor. Do you think I just made that up? No. I read David Griffin’s book a couple or so years ago, of the very same title. If memory serves me, (because I’m not gonna go look that up either) he doesn’t reference the Israeli thing either.

As for the Ketchum article, I didn’t post that either, though the information is RIGHT HERE, on this same thread, right above one of your own. #111814 by A. Z. Arrow

And, it has been posted on this thread before, (as well as others) which means that you don’t have to purchase it. So, this is just more distraction from you, and another unjustified attack on me. Who has ‘memory’ issues?

I will post this again, for your reading pleasure, since it would appear that unless this stuff comes directly from ME, you don’t notice it.
http://www.counterpunch.org/ketcham03072007.html

The above link is posted by AZ Arrow, and he does include a portion of the Ketchum article right here in the post.

Robert has also posted various links to the same Israeli issues, which is the only information that I personally ever reviewed. I’ll repost that as well, for your reference. #111846 by Robert

Just follow the numbers Nimrod. Can you do that? And don’t limit yourself to only what I write, because I tend to focus only on what I’ve personally researched. And, while I may in fact make frequent references to what others have posted, (if only because they are things which add to the larger picture, and our collective effort at sharing this info) you should learn to always attribute the proper source.
Most importantly, you need to check your obsession with ME. I’m NOT flattered. Not even a little bit. So, I’m putting you on notice here, and I’m bringing this to the attention of all others who participate in this forum. That means I’ve just issued an official internet BOLO for your creepy ass.

Cyrena:

post #108911:

“Still, one of its many intended purposes was already established, in advance, by Rumsfeld himself. He said, “We need a New Pearl Harbor.” Ergo, 9/11”

that was never said. I am really thinking you have serious memory issues.

When i referenced footnote 25, i was attacking the over all validity of the site, such as the fact that they were manufaturing facts. 

Again, i ask you, and i will point out that i provided the quote that you reference, explain how you justify the fact that the Israeli’s had advanced notice.

I don’t deny that the israeli’s were acting like a$$holes, or that the witnesses were shocked by their actions, but that does not prove that they were involved, or had advanced info of the attacks.

As for Ketchem’s report, i will not be reading it since i don’t pay for BS.  If you have a copy, which you must since you trust it so much, post a link to it.  but i will not be buying it.

I told you nice folks about the whores for gubby. They wear you down by attrition. They just keep running sets on you. And when that bunch retires, another one is up and running. For example, I have retired several generations of agents that have been watching me just about my whole life.

Why have they been watching me? Well, why not? They might as well be doing something, right? If they were not watching me it would be somebody down the street. Indeed, they are watching somebody down the street, too. They are watching everybody. Their job is “watching.” There are two kinds of people in the U.S.: those that watch and those that are watched. I just happen to be one of the watched.

The attrition part is, there is only one of me (or one of each of you, and you/I are unique.) But these people are all exactly alike and they extend well into the future. When they retire of old age (usually at twenty years) and get their lucrative retirement package (at taxpayers’ eternal expense, of course), somebody exactly like them replaces them. They are like prison guards that sit around on their asses and watch people all day every day of their lives. Can you imagine such a job? I can’t. I have to know I am serving a valuable function, even if it is only for myself. By valuable I don’t mean money necessarily, but just to know that my life is worthwhile.

Can you imagine spending your twenty years of vocational achievement watching the likes of me? Yet, they do it. And the next generation that takes over does it, and the next after that until I expire, I suppose. Can you imagine telling, “Yes, I watched FTF for twenty years, then my son watched him for the next twenty, then his son for the next.”

But what else did you do with your life?

“Well, I twiddled my thumbs (or stuck them up my ass.)”

Attrition will kill you as the nameless, faceless, beingless niliroths wear themselves down to a nub “watching” their “targets,” then when each is worn out, he hands the “baton” to the next in an endless parody of existence, in which none of them are really alive. What they think of as “being alive” is sitting on their asses watching others. In reality, they are alien spores blowing in the wind, alien to humanity, that is.

It doesn’t surprise me that niliroth is trying to throw shit in the game here. Hell, his job is the most boring thing in the world. He is just seeking a little excitement. When I want excitement I don my SCUBA gear and head to the ocean. Or I snorkel out into the ocean for about three or four miles and let the surf bring me in. Or I do any number of a thousand other great things that are open to me and at my fingertips, and I learn endlessly from it all.

But poor niliroth is only a drone that does what he is ordered and nothing else. He is not his own man. How can you blame him for wanting to tweak a little life into his otherwise non-existence?

FIVE DANCING ISRAELIS ARRESTED ON 9/11

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRfhUezbKLw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2nVkN983fU

ISRAELI MOSSAD ADMITTING “WE WERE TRYING TO DOCUMENT 9/11”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0hmhLycNyQ

•  #111814 by A. Z. Arrow on 11/05 at 2:53 pm
niloroth:
About my previous comment # 111792.
In your reply # 111803 you CHANGED THE SUBJECT as I made no reference to footnote 25.

A.Z. Arrrow,
This is a standard tactic for all trolls. I know how annoying it can be, but just so you know, we’re all paying attention, so we know what you said and what you didn’t, and we know what Nimrod is up to as well.

Here’s another example of the same from him:
•  Re: #111770 by niloroth Oh yeah, and no one ever said “we need a new pearl harbor.” although that is one of Cyrena’s favorites as well.  Find me that quote and i will admit i am wrong.  Bet you can’t.

Now, he claims this quote about a New Pearl Harbor to be a ‘favorite’ of mine. But…HE HAS NO REFERENCE FOR THAT, since I’ve not mentioned anything of the sort, at least not in any recent posts. No doubt I AM familiar with this quote, (From Rumsfeld, and just days before the events of 9/11) however, I’ve made NO reference to it on this particular board, just like you made no reference to footnote 25.
So actually, it’s more than just ‘changing the subject’, (though types like Nimrod use that tactic as well.)

No, this is actually far more annoying, because in effect, he’s LYING on individual persons, because he uses the names and makes ‘connections’ that don’t exist, or attributes things to people that haven’t said them, or makes shit up and claims that somebody else said or did it. When you read enough of these types, it becomes more and more recognizable, and you can spot them immediately.

So Nimrod, did you get the reply from FTF? (#111827 by Franker than Frank). He’s helping me out here, since I’ve had my hands full lately, and haven’t had as much time to entertain you, or do your research for you. Actually, I think it’s really generous of him, since it’s obvious that nobody is buying whatever it is that you’re trying to peddle.

That’s the way it is Nimrod. Not only are you a whore, but you’re a dishonest one, trying to peddle some really damaged goods. Shame on you.

I told you before, we’re on to you. So, stop wasting our time, and expecting us to do all of your work for you.

Re: #111770 by niloroth Oh yeah, and no one ever said “we need a new pearl harbor.” although that is one of Cyrena’s favorites as well.  Find me that quote and i will admit i am wrong.  Bet you can’t.

Hey numb nuts, it’s me again, FTF, on earth (not where you are presently.) All you have to do is put “new pearl harbor” into your search engine to bring up about ten million references to the PNAC manifesto that uses those very words to describe what is needed to operate as a catalyzing event to speed up PNAC’s agenda for world domination. I think they actually use the words, “New Pearl Harbor,” but it’s been a long time since I read it.

I am certain that a govt troll like you would be amply apprised of the PNAC statement, and so your Mad Magazine “Who me?” statement above obviously translates that you are not smart enough to associate the PNAC statement with 911, or not allowed to.  Neither do you associate any of the actual guilty parties with 911 causes (maybe yourself included, certainly you are an accomplice after the fact for trying to cover up a major crime) except for “little green men from Mars” that caused hundreds of miracles to occur in order to set aside all the major known laws of physics so that 757’s could evaporate into thin air for being sloshed with burning kerosine for a few minutes (while preserving intact the DNA of the passengers), and so that mighty skyscrapers could fall down into their own footprints, “boom-boom-boom,” three in a row, just like a professional demolition job would do it, after being hit by what amounts, comparatively, to speeding balls of aluminum foil, with the greatest miracle being that even speeding foil didn’t hit one of them, which just fell down out of sheer sympathy for the other two.

But hey, one of my favorite miracles are the cell phone conversations between the wife on flt 77 and her hubby (DOJ Solicitor General.) It was a genuine miracle that these two talked so long on two separate occasions, but GTE only recorded one connection taking place for “0” seconds.

(I know, I know, you will come back with, “The FBI lied, under oath in a court of law, about that ‘0’ seconds.” Well, Nillie, if the FBI lied about that, what else have they lied about?)

Sort of makes one wonder whether the former DOJ official was lying about the conversations, or if he received fake calls. But one of these is the case, as there is no third possibility. Both of these raise their own questions, of course.  Like, if the calls were faked, then who did it and why? Surely not the 19 Arabs with box cutters. And if the DOJ official lied, what part was he playing in 911?

If the calls were faked, it couldn’t have been the CIA, because the DOJ guy would have known immediately the call was fake, as the CIA has already faked numerous “bin Laden” photo ops and they are not good enough over at CIA even to hire professional movie producers (such as a Star Wars bunch) to do the job. CIA agents must do it at home in their spare time, using their families for stand-ins. Have you seen some of their “bin Laden’s?” Ha, ha, ha, some of them look like Boris Karloff on a bad day. Bin Laden should sue for defamation (or deformation.)

You are a shameless whore, niloroth the troll. In fact, streetwalkers have more shame than you govt trollops beating around the Internet trying to peddle your shameful wares. Yes, you’re a whore.

niloroth:

About my previous comment # 111792.

In your reply # 111803 you CHANGED THE SUBJECT as I made no reference to footnote 25.

I provided a web site with a link to the clip of the Dancing Israelis from an Israeli TV show, that included select comments made by two of the five Dancing Israelis -linked there at number 26.

“How did they know there would be an event to document on 9/11? “

Do you deny the statement made by these Dancing Israelis or the implicit question raised about their mission from stunned viewers?

Thie footnote that you so cavalierly dismissed is numbered “25”.

I am assuming that you downloaded have read the entire report by Ketcham? And that you have a detailed criticism of the information and facts that Ketcham presents.

Please present the criticism -in detail- that you seem towithholding from us.  Would you share that with us rather than simply pontificating from your government (and Zionist)  thrown.  I hope that you and that everyone else reads that report.

Again, I ask, tell me what you know about the Dancing Israelis?

  ~A. Z.

“High-Fivers and Art Student Spies

What Did Israel Know in Advance of the 9/11 Attacks?

By CHRISTOPHER KETCHAM

On the afternoon of September 11, 2001, an FBI bulletin known as a BOLO ­- “be on lookout”—was issued with regard to three suspicious men who that morning were seen leaving the New Jersey waterfront minutes after the first plane hit World Trade Center 1. Law enforcement officers across the New York-New Jersey area were warned in the radio dispatch to watch for a “vehicle possibly related to New York terrorist attack”:White, 2000 Chevrolet van with ‘Urban Moving Systems’ sign on back seen at Liberty State Park, Jersey City, NJ, at the time of first impact of jetliner into World Trade Center Three individuals with van were seen celebrating after initial impact and subsequent explosion. FBI Newark Field Office requests that, if the van is located, hold for prints and detain individuals.
At 3:56 p.m., twenty-five minutes after the issuance of the FBI BOLO, officers with the East Rutherford Police Department stopped the commercial moving van through a trace on the plates. According to the police report, Officer Scott DeCarlo and Sgt. Dennis Rivelli approached the stopped van, demanding that the driver exit the vehicle. The driver, 23-year-old Sivan Kurzberg, refused and “was asked several more times [but] appeared to be fumbling with a black leather fanny pouch type of bag”. With guns drawn, the police then “physically removed” Kurzberg, while four other men ­- two more men had apparently joined the group since the morning ­- were also removed from the van, handcuffed, placed on the grass median and read their Miranda rights.”

Source:

Counterpunch Special Investigation

[The complete 12,000 word special investigation into Israeli intelligence operations in the United States tracking the 9/11 hijackers can be obtained in PDF format from CounterPunch

More info on this investigation at

http://www.counterpunch.org/ketcham03072007.html

.

AZ

That site is trash, even that page you sent me to (which i have read before) is poorly researched and it’s footnotes are poor. (just follow link 25, which goes to a story that in no way supports the quote it is trying to prove.)  Like most truther sites, they are wonders of lies and misdirection. 

The quote “We are Israelis. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are your problem.” Is then followed by the comment “Why did he feel that Palestinians were a problem for the NYPD?”

Anyone with a brain could tell that the Israeli is not talking about the NYPD.  Well, maybe not you or the sites author.

resource 25, as mentioned, fails to support the quote, which is the one that ties the white house into the plot.  So it fails big time on that.

The quote “The fact of the matter is we are coming from a country that experiences terror daily. Our purpose was to document the event.” Gives no reference to what time frame he was talking about as far as documenting the event.  Many people documented the events of 9/11, are you saying that everyone who videoed or photographed the events had advanced knowledge as well?

Once again, you have nothing.

Please show that they had advanced warning, or they were involved.  And do it in a more recent thread, i am tired of proving you folks wrong here in a 3 month old thread no one but you headcases read.

niloroth:

You have not told me what you know about the dancing Israelis instead you ask questions.

I first read that the dancing Israelis (months after their arrest) bragged they were assigned to video the events in NYC on 9/11 at the web page of Ha’aretz.  But I now see they have disappeared that report from their archives.  I assume under pressure from someone of influence over Israeli editors. But perhaps you will have better luck than me and find it.

You can, in addition, find a “partial” video clip from Israeli TV about the assignment of two members of these dancing agents by clicking on the photo next to the following quotation:

“Several of the detainees discussed their experience in America on an Israeli talk show after their return home. Said one of the men, denying that they were laughing or happy on the morning of Sept. 11, “The fact of the matter is we are coming from a country that experiences terror daily. Our purpose was to document the event.” (26)  How did they know there would be an event to document on 9/11?”

At this link:

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fiveisraelis.html

And in case you think you can weasel around this, be informed that I trust the Americans that spotted them dancing and giving each other high-fives more than I trust these treacherous and joyful enemies.  I trust Americans more than I trust apologist for Zionism or oppressors of the Palestinian people (categories into which I DO NOT place all Jewish people or all Israelis —certainly not Jewish members of my family— who are not fanatic nationalist or land grabbing monsters).

Later today, when I get time for some research on the source of the other quotation you asked about I will post it pronto.

~A. Z. Arrow
November 5, 2007

A.Z.:

The dancing Israeli’s are interesting, but i have 2 questions for you.

1) Can you find any evidence that they had any idea that the attack was going to happen before it did?  All the eyewitnesses claim that the attack happened, and then the Israeli’s were spotted on the top of their van.  Seems they were watching the events just like eveyone else, but not BEFORE the event.

2) is there any evidence that they were involved in the attacks?

I don’t know why they would have been smiling, or dancing in the pictures they had taken, and we will probebly never know, since as far as i know the pictures were never released.  Maybe they didn’t like us, maybe they thought the US would get fully into the war against islamic terror, who knows.  But there is no reason, other than your burning antisemitism, to think they were in any way aware of the events beforehand, or involved in any way.

The rest of your post is BS as well, there was no stand down, a plane hit the pentagon, and there were no demolitions.  Oh yeah, and no one ever said “we need a new pearl harbor.” although that is one of Cyrena’s favorites as well.  Find me that quote and i will admit i am wrong.  Bet you can’t.

More lies.