The evidence for 911 continues to grow, the only question is when and how a new formal investigation to be conducted.

http://www.911blogger.com/node/13149

Re: PARTs I and II, A.Z. Arrow

AZ, I don’t support, nor participate in the current political system in this country or any that are currently in the world, especially heavily centralized ones. Having learned and realized that politics is what is wrong in the world, I turned my back on all political systems a long time ago.

The “Ideacracy” I mentioned several posts back has been asserting itself since about the 60’s. It has been pushing the dinosaurs (such as what has passed for “democracy” heretofore, but which was actually far from it) over the cliff the whole time, and I estimate it will be full blown in a few more years, like from about 2012-13 on.  It is the very thing that has been putting all the world’s systems to the ultimate test recently. The Ideacracy is the ultimate system and man has evolved into it. I expect that it will displace all the world’s governments. I say good riddance. They are little but cesspools of corruption, anyway.

AZ, I don’t support the current political system in this country or any that are currently in the world, actually, especially heavily centralized ones. Having learned and realized that politics is what is wrong in the world, I turned my back on all political systems a long time ago.

The “Ideacracy” I mentioned several posts back has been asserting itself since about the 60’s. It has been pushing the dinosaurs (such as what has passed for “democracy” heretofore, but which was actually far from it) over the cliff the whole time, and I estimate it will be full blown in a few more years, like from about 2012-13 on.  It is the very thing that has been putting all the world’s systems to the ultimate test recently. The Ideacracy is the ultimate system and man has evolved into it. I expect that it will displace all the world’s governments. I say good riddance. They are little but cesspools of corruption, anyway.

PART ONE

>It is a sign of the Decline and Fall of the United States Empire that controversy surrounding 9/11 was NOT a Major issue in the primary contests in Iowa or New Hampshire. AVOIDANCE of the Truth that smolders behind the dominance of the Bush Gang an the six years of rule in Congress by the phony patriots of the Republican Party strip and the democratic warmongers( I exempt Ron Paul and Dennis Kucenech, CHuck Hegel and Senators Feingold, mUrtha, an BYd from my harsh judgment).

>>>None the less, these are some MINIMUM STANDARDSI have and thast I use to make a favorable selection of SUPPORT for a candidate to CONGRESS and/or the Presidency this coming year:

1.I will support a Candidate that IS committed to real economic/political Equality. -Equality beyond “Opportunity” to an equal right to survive and prosper (a guarantee of nutrition, Shelter, social progress, and FOR a universal PREVENTIVE CARE SYSTEM-and to UNIVERSAL PUBLIC health CARE and INSURANCE as well as support for a public retirement PENSION plan for ALL American citizens.

2.a candidate that stands in opposition to warfare and to spending our tax revenue on the Military-Debt-Complex, or spending on warfare equipment and troops; or wasting public wealth on war, I will support a candidate that is willing to bring an immediate end to the War of Aggression Against the People of Iraq, and to a candidate that constantly voices opposition to any type of current or future combat with Iran, specifically, aerial warfare.

3.to a candidate that will promises to INCREASE SPENDING and will support legislation and give priority to:

(A) Universal PUBLIC EDUCATION through college,(Including Public physical culture, SCHOLORLY, and ATHLETIC “progressive” education) as an alternative to the wonderlands of ”no child left behind”with its’ -with emphasis on testomania and quantophenia rejected.

(B) ADVANCEMENT OF *STEM CELL RESEARCH,

( C) increased funding on research for the PHYSICAL and ORGANIC sciences;

(D) CULTURAL EXCHANGE PROGAMS AND on for a “Peace Department” with PEACE institutions of government as a substitute to war-making and war preparation.

(E) A candidate committed TO funding scientific RESERCH and the development of NEW SOURCES OF ENERGY AND FUEL production (such as BLACKLIGHT plasma, WATER POWERED AUTOMOBILES, COLD FUSION, for SOLAR and MAGNETIC ENGERGIES to be used for the mass production of ELECTRICAL POWER ) as well as funding other promising source.

~A.Z.ARROW
1/4/08

PART TWO

4.THAT CALLS FOR AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION INTO THE EVENTS AND to discovery of CRIMINAL RESPONSIBILITY FOR 9/11!

5.THAT PROMISIS INCREASED FUNDING for THE PROFORMING AND EXPRESSIVE ARTS.

6.A COMMITMENT to DE-RACIALIZE THE UNITED STATES. There are hundred of measures to accomplish this.

7. A CANDIDATE committed to RE-INDUSTRIALIZE production, and supports A GOVERNMENT GARRANTEE of a job at a LIVING EAGE FOR EVERY WORKER , and for every American, and to Bringing an end to OUTSOURCING of CAPITAL, JOBS, AND INDUSTRY.

8. committee to STOPING THE EXPORT OF JOBS and bring an END to THE COPORATE IMPORT OF ILLEGAL AND SUBSTITUTE WORKERS.

9.A CANDIDATE that is willing to advance the deployment (The technical means already exit) for a nation wide MASS PUBLIC TRANSPORT system---I.E., A NATIONAL RAIL, electric shuttle, and new TROLLY TRANSPORT SYSTEM.

10.A candidate that SUPPORTS A COHERENT PROPSAL for an independent NATION of PALESTINE

11. a candidate that is willing to bring war crimes indictments against Bush, Cheney & company.

>>>These ten criteria indicate that a candidate stands on a progressive -pro- “Working Class platform” ‘AND is politically in opposition to the Plunder-Elite and will work to end the Expansionist American/Israeli EMPIRE of Military AGRESSION, OCCUPATION AND WAR PROFITERRING.

>>>Now you know where I stand. Not sure everyone agrees.But I hope so. Sometimes it is better just to put it out for the sake of CLEARITY.

>>>Whats YOUR BASIS OF SUPPORT,if any?

~A. Z. Arrow

January 4, 2008

It is costing us allot.  We should know the executive committee that is driving the United States towards tyranny, nuclear war, and financial ruin. The Neonazicons and Bushites are a threat to the free exercise of our Rights as American citizens. We must fight them and pull the world back from the brink.

We want our money back!

Comment by A.Z. Arrow

12-26-07

The Corporate Media is keeping the American people ignorant of the underlying realities and immediate threat of war.

Missiles deployed next to Russia’s boarders and aimed at the Russian people is an offensive move. This amounts to barefaced aggression, that combined, as it is, with the Bush Gang’s thrust into central Asia --when taking together as a single political phenomena in time and space-- is a policy of encirclement, the sum of which can only be understood objectively as the positioning of missiles in Eastern Europe for a first strike offense against Russia .

Today’s headlines indicates that the Bush administration has succeeded in their aggressive effort to initiate a new round of wasteful cold-war type arms spending on top of the existing expense of the Iraq war and new levels of waste created by the corporate-military-debt complex for the purpose of Empire Expansion in Eurasia.* INSANITY! The Bush gang and the Neonazicons must be placed in the docket and charged with war crimes and extraordinary crimes against humanity. US citizens must order the arrest of the Corrupt Elite and brake the back of the Fascistic Corporate State (control of political representation and elections by corporate lobbyist with a neo-fascistic ideology, for examples-- Bushism and AIPAC; Bushism and the oil, pharmaceutical, the banking, and finance lobbies with Congress and the Bush gang; Bushism and the Corporate-Military-Debt-Complex and the Federal and State governments; Bushism and the Neonazicon’ political organizations along with their “think tanks:” Bushism and the the corporate media: the Bush administration and religious fanatics).

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· The Cost of Bush’s War against the People of Iraq at $ 477,819,697,187. Also, According to Nobel economist Joseph Stiglitz, the “Social Cost of this War” for “replacement of equipment, medical care, family crisis, job loses, etc” now approaches Two Trillion Dollars.

Federal deficits versus increases in the federal debt

Fiscal year Reported surplus/deficit Debt increase

Debt at start of year Debt at year’s end

2000 $236.2 billion surplus $23.2 billion $5.606 trillion $5.629 trillion

2001 $128.2 billion surplus $141.2 billion $5.629 trillion $5.770 trillion

2002 $157.8 billion deficit $428.5 billion $5.770 trillion $6.198 trillion

2003 $377.6 billion deficit $561.6 billion $6.198 trillion $6.760 trillion

2004 $412.7 billion deficit $594.7 billion $6.760 trillion $7.355 trillion

2005 $318.3 billion deficit $550.6 billion $7.355 trillion $7.905 trillion

2006 $248.2 billion deficit $546.1 billion $7.905 trillion $8.451 trillion

2007 $162.8 billion deficit $497.1 billion $8.451 trillion $8.949 trillion

~A. Z. Arrow

Thanks Franker than Frank. I think your are right about the use of the Internet as a vehicle or extended neural network, as “a species neural system.” Your contribution and intelligence is an informed example of this.  ~A.Z.

#122318 by A. Z. Arrow, Parts I,II,III,IV,V.

10-4, AZ. For other “readers” I don’t speak, but for me, I await the right moment as all the forces are aligned in just the right way. At this juncture one has to be moved by perfect timing or one is lost in the stampede at the starting gun. I will know when it is time, as I’ve been here before and I knew the time then. One’s attitude is all-important. Keep yours and don’t waver. And await the time.

The Internet came into being to this very purpose, a species neural system evolution not only to defeat (by operating as a beefed up immune system) what turns out to be an invasion quite like a deadly virus invading a single human organism, but to “metastasize” ideas throughout all necessary components of humanity as though human thought were a kind of bloodstream. To this end, the Internet must come of age, that is, mature to perfection, before it may be employed as an integral part of the organism (humankind) for which it evolved. And so, while your plea does not fall on “deaf ears,” so to speak, it still falls outside the scope of the right moment. But don’t let that stop you from keeping on keeping on, as the right attitude is the most vital component man has at his disposal at this time.

Greater forces than man are at work here and the Bush/Cheney/Neocon/Israeli gang is “under the gun” at least as much as said criminal cartel has the gun in its hand.

PART ZERO

Preview (and a corrected first sentenve to the next message).

Bush and Cheney are NOT “enemy combatants” as a friend suggested today, but War Criminals and Murderers.

CHRISTMAS EVE December 24, 2007

A. Z. Arrow

>

PART ZERO

Christmas Eve,12/24/ 2007

Preview (and a corrected first sentence for the next part of this message):

>> Bush and Cheney are not “enemy combatants” as a friend suggested today, but War Criminals and Murderers.

A. Z. Arrow

>

>A Christmas eve message:

PART ONE

Bush and Cheney are nor “enemy combatants” as a friends suggested today, but War Criminals and Murders.

The phrase “enemy combatant” has no standing in International Courts. It is a fiction created by the Bush gang and is currently used by Neonazicon ideologues because it allows these rightist (via the Bush administration and the U.S. Courts) to undermine the Geneva Convention and because it validates their lies and is used as cover in the treatment of prisoners of war. The Geneva Convention has stipulations about the treatment of the interned as well as covering treatment of captured soldiers in battle, and the Convention establishes Articles and these apply to the treatment of civilians in war time via established protocols, understandings, conventions, agreements, and stipulations, also recognized in formal treaties that cover military prisoners and conditions of civilian status along with other related obligations during wartime, armistice, and in peacetime.

The United States is a signatory to the Geneva Convention.

The Neonazicon and the Bush gang, along with corporate and financial gangsters for which they speak are co-conspirators in the current War, soon to be many wars or a World War, growing out of their desperate War for Conquest: they are co-conspirators in war profiteering and in mass murder on behalf of privatized investment and extension of the Capitalist Empire that benefits leading corporate contractors, military producers, war profiteers, plunderers, power brokers, and a handful of trillionaires that aim to impose their will on the world. So, these thugs are not “combatants” as such, although they are definitely WAR CRIMINALS.

The Bush Gang war-mongers (supported by most of Congress, the Justice Department, the State Department and the Federal Courts) have violated the Geneva Convention and have ignored the Nuremberg protocols: in the past they have, and are presently implicated in the events of 9/11 and this has been shown by 9/11 Truth and others: the Bush Gang has launched their illegal War of Aggression Against the People of Iraq in violation of several international treaties of agreement that “make their wars of Aggression” “illegal:” the Bush Gang has moved against the will of the American people: they have subjected the Iraqi people to “Shock and Awe” and to an ongoing military OCCUPATION: and, as we now know, they have lied to American people over and over about WMD and the “necessity” for a Crusade: meanwhile, the Bush Gang has covered their crimes with government and corporate secrecy based on a phony excuse about “national security” while working against real security of this nation and against it’ people: Bush & Company (the gang”) have distorted the “national interests” of the United States as though these were somehow identical with their self-and-class-interest alone, as if the nation of the United States is something separate from an informed and knowledgeable American people or with an empowered democratic public rather than the dictates and criminal activities of the Criminal Cabal: the Bushites and their “League of the Unjustice” have willfully sought to destroy the future of human community and have moved to endanger, and, ultimately to wipe-out all species life on planet Earth.

PART TWO

The Bush administration (with support from members of Congress and the Courts) are enemies of free speech, they have the guidance of assorted Rightist “think tanks” and thug like David Horowitz as well organized support from fanatical group of Neonazicon ideologues as well as a passive non-interference from folks that don’t know any better: the combination of the leadership of these forces are known as the Criminal Cabal, and I should say, have jointly launched the current War of Aggression as well as 9/11: they are currently working to create a domestic police state and to

(A) establish a World Empire through Conquest (as outlined by PNAC along with direction from the sympathetic Cheney/Rumsfeld doctrine and organizations),

(B) have sought to advance tyranny and a docile, chipped, and controlled population within an Orwellian fascistic type society,

( C) have worked to destroy human and civil rights -specifically by their “legal” and political attack on The Bill of Rights,

(D) have used their War of Aggression Against the People of Iraq as a first step to establish control of Iraqi political institutions and society through “divide and conquer,”

(E) and have used United State military and bribed, dumb-downed and dependent allies to dictate the Constitution and its laws to the nation of Iraq, they have used violence and fraud to dominate Iraqi political and social institutions, including training of “police” and death squads to destroy its ‘ indigenous culture and to make the human spirit dependent, they have finagled to control Iraqi markets by means of privatization of its’ petroleum, banking, finance, agricultural, electricity production, water, roads, trucking, industry, airlines and communication systems (corporate media), and by using bribes to exploit Iraqis economic structure of trade and markets by controlling the lion’s share of all good and services and to control “the rules of a (rigged) game,” by the taking of profit, by the use of financial control and banking pressure aimed to boast political domination while extracting wealth via legal and political domination of exploitable sectors of human labor-power (the source of wealth) and natural recourses (the material foundation), throughout Iraqi society, culture an persons at gunpoint.

PART THREE

Ray McGovern provides a summary of the Empire thrust when he refers to the War Against the People of Iraq as,

1.      for Oil,
2.      for Israel,
3.      for Logistics

The work of Ray McGovern and his former CIA associates (much the same as the extensive analysis of Chalmers Johnson, Mike Whitney, and warnings by Gore Vidal) are pedagogical rather than propagandistic, they hope to provide the American people with a workable summary and clear general outline –coming from a deeper understanding-- of the inner workings of the American Empire by exposing some of its’ dominant features, maneuvers and connections. They avoid gross oversimplifications about this war such as the claim that “its cause,” as such, “is all about oil” or “about George Bush’s relation to his father” or speculation about “the US military testing new weapons systems” or about “Cheney’s business connection with Halliburton” because, while these symptoms are typical in most Empires and thus re-appear along the time-line of Empire, these analyst see beyond these momentary phenomena, and look instead, to the inner structure, dynamics, and operational principles of Empire Gangsterism and to its planned thematic: they watch the American Empire expand along with its growing internal contradictions: the three writers mentioned avoid the pitfalls of “political and/or economic determinism,” by a sensitivity to context and audience, by a use of history and sociology –they investigate reality as a critique of policy (they look at intention and motive) and often base their criticism largely on an unstated methodology that draws on a multi-variable analysis and multi-leveled assessments of the aggregates and crimes of Empire in terms of its’ inner and outer dynamic, its’ structure, and they do this as public watchdogs that aim to expose the asserted principles of power, and policies of Empire from the perspective of critics, as opponents, skeptics and scientist, and as artist.

Rather than isolating a single cause with everything else explained as an effect, these opponents and critics of Empire investigate the range of organized, unorganized, and adjacent conditions of real phenomena in a field of empirical events and facts and thus use this knowledge to expose the interrelated complexity of these causes that lead to these Wars of Aggression and Empire and manifest its’ attendant gangster-ism and its’ acts of aggression, murder, occupation, its’ political slime, by intensely watching persons, organizations, institutions, and by analyzing real forces and policies; they watch its’ flow of money, tends, culture, and ideas –and they taking into account both material and contextual conditions as well as human needs that shape-up in contradistinction to the inhuman principles used as excuse and untruth by our enemy to advance, as well as justify, the Empire of Capitalist Inequality-Domination-Privatization and Exploitation --the American Empire that now launches wars for fun, profit and conquest. These opponents do this as critics of this dominant American Empire and its’ institutions and values. And these critics are positive because they also defend the United States Constitution and The Bill of Rights. And when and if the Tyranny is allowed to become full-blown it could be curtains for the critics. But these critics are also politically organizers and they are artist of differing talents and skill.

PART FOUR

My point is, rather than using “enemy combatants” let’s name the Bush gang, and the Neonazicons, what they really are - WAR CRIMINALS. They stand historically in the long line that marched behind the Pharaoh’s and history’s tyrants, and now they defend the madhouse of nuclear chicken, the line of Neo-Fascist Tyrants and pin-headed degenerates that are Suppressors of Humanity.

Speaking of opposition, I read somewhere that there is at least one indictment for war crimes that has been placed into the German Courts. So there exits one example of formal charge . . . thus, for American, one political task of the people is to support this indictment while working on other multiple fronts in order to help bring these War Criminals to trial, and, ultimately, to justice: the chorus line of Neonazicons that dance beside the Bush Gang, their tap dancing profiteers, plunderers and cheering pirates, the lobbyist that support the Corporate Domination Show (with 24 hours of uninterrupted commercials) gyrate together for a corrupt government and private interest and concentrated monopoly that they call “freedom.” Their freedom is our cage. Our aim must be to place them “all together” “all for one,” as they say, in the docket within the International Courts of Justice that are established to try War Criminals -to try the Criminal Cabal essentially for War Crimes against Iraqis and Americans, and for 9/11, and on behalf of the tortured.

People around the world must see that we Americans judge these crooks and warmongers as harshly as they do, because we must realize that the U. S. government and its’ corporate masters are subjectively unable to self-investigate, objectively unable to self-regulate or to stop their War Crime behavior and conduct. They should be made convicts. These culprits have gleefully initiated their War of Aggression Against Iraq and have purposefully carried out the murder of more than a million Iraqis and a reported four thousand or more American citizens: the American people must call this “Government” of this Bush era to JUSTICE.

PART FIVE

We must either take them to The Hague or initiate a Revolution that throws the bums and murders out. That choice must be placed before the American people. It is up to the American people to end the Neonazicon’ warmongering tyranny, to close this era, and to bring their fascist design, their asses and its’ Empire aggression to an end.

Listen-up! George Bush and fellow gang members “YOU ARE ARRESTED.” These are the only words that carry the weight and resolution necessary to solve the threat from the Neonazicon fascist and the Bush gangster’s administration. Dear reader, I ask, do you have the teeth or the badge to make this arrest?

The current system cannot be reformed. The corporate parasites who control it will not voluntarily give up their power or the loot they have stolen. Look how the financial cost of running for office has become more expensive and largely prohibitive with each new “election” cycle. The Establishment and the Piratical Elite have, an emergency back-up plan; they have the means to fix the outcome of elections and to rig the vote count. Being elected to national and state office is now reduced to airing commercials. The fix is in, the vote count can’t count when it need not count for the capitalist thieves; and it is, has been, and can be hacked or pre-programmed to the advantage of the establishment (capitalist) selection of candidates for office. “Elected” representatives are bribed by hordes of corporate and finance lobbyist that do the biding of the Plunder Elite, who via surrogates and lawyers write the laws and regulations, including the election laws state by state, and these flunkies insure domination of the Party Duo-opoly the structure is fixed to insure that the dominant parties cannot be voted out of power.

So, I ask the reader: You’ve seen what needs to be done, so you can tell the rest of us how to do it.

We need practical, perhaps revolutionary, solutions.

You have an opportunity to tell the rest of us exactly what needs to be done –when and how. Further, you have the responsibility to tell us exactly how it can be done. We all have some idea of the problem, we need solutions, so what is next?

I am optimist.

A. Z. Arrow

1/24/2007

#121312 by A. Z. Arrow

Sounds like a good movie, I hadn’t heard of it until now.  Must check it out.

Re: #121312 by A. Z. Arrow

Thanks for that reference, AZ.  Although I certainly don’t need it to prove anything to me (as I knocked the whole caper off the moment I heard it, even before I had blinked my eyes, like, instantaneously. I will acquire “Zeitgeist” just to keep and possibly show close friends.

Now for #121147 by Inherit The Zionist Poot

Ha, ha, ha. I love your hate, pottie poot. Would you please give me more? It is almost like food for me.
Your antics and those of your ilk have supplied me with many hours of laughter as you take yourselves so seriously, even to the extent of calling yourselves “The Chosen.” Ha, ha, ha. The whole lot of you would not make a pimple on the butt of the Real Chosen, of which I am #1. Yes, God conversed with me one time (sort of like He did Moses, even employed a burning bush) and told me that the Jews have never been chosen by anybody but their own reproductive organs because that’s where their heads always are, in their crotches and shoved up anuses. He said that you folks take yourselves way to seriously, and that we Real Chosen were in the shoes that that you wannabe’s, the Jews, only pretend to be wearing.

Sorry, hoss, but it’s what God told. And you know, God’s Word is final. How may I alter it? I couldn’t have argued your case for you even if I had wanted (which I didn’t want, of course,) because I would have been arguing with God after He came all the way from On High just to converse with me, His Numero Uno. Why do you suppose I have this surplus of intellect? It’s because God gave it to me, right? Why did He give it to me? To be Hisw Numero Uno, of course. Ha, ha, ha.

Now be a good dog and go sit in the corner and lick yourself, ITZP.

I normally do not make movie recommendations. Today I make and exception.

I watched it last night.

A friend sent me a DVD with the title “ZEITGEIST” ( I roughly translate this from Deutsch as “spirit of ‘these’ times.”). It is a stunning documentary and in one portion it provides personal testimony by firemen that survived the collapse of the Twin Towers on 9/11.  These NYC firemen were located, for the most part, in the sub-basement floors or in the streets nearby and they witnessed, as they tell us, what happened -that they felt and heard and experienced demolition explosions (or cutter charges) going off –and a few of these fire fighter were injured by these multiple instrumental explosions. Those who share their experience speak for others who can not, because unlike many of their coworkers they survived and managed to escape before the Towers collapsed. Many accounts of witness were annihilated by death but their truth and their stories are not lost. All in all, the presentation by the surviving firefighters about these demotions along with other witnesses and researchers are so numerous as to be conclusive. And, this is but one portion of this video.

The major themes in ZEITGEIST cover:

(A) the cosmological origin of monotheistic religion, the symbolic (and polytheistic) meaning of the Yeshu Messianic folktale, and the physical phenomena that form the ground of religious mythology that have become the basis of the Jesus movie. ZEITGEIST outlines the methodology used by organized religion in its’ fundamental effort to dominate government and culture and to peddle their uncritical Sky-God system of belief that requires human submission and financial donations.

(B) many aspects of 9/11, including expert testimony by a retired FBI Director who points to the horrid events of 9/11, the downing the Towers, the demolition of Building 7, the blasting by a missile of a large hole in the Pentagon, the crashed a passenger Plane in Pennsylvania, with the expertise of an Agent-Director as he compares these events with other “false flag” operations, and with other political plots aimed at creating alarm --- 9/11 as a quote “planned, organized, initiated operation” one of many that are launched periodically by a Criminal Cabal for the purpose of social control. [Fear + Hate = Power] These “False Flags” are the work of “Inside Enemies,” 9/11 is “an inside job” and the political motives of this Criminal Cabal are now exposed for all to see.

And, ( C ) “the men behind the curtain” (a who done it, how, and why?).

The movie is visually, artistically and intellectually spectacular if such adjectives are appropriate in this tragic and outrageous circumstance. So, listen with one’s full being rather than with one sense alone: if you do, you will hear Paul Revere shouting his warning anew, a call that travels from house to house, and from village to village, while rousing American citizen’s to revolutionary action. The murderers that did this must be taken down.

Make the effort and find the time to view this movie in full.

And, if you should rent, barrow, or if you should purchase ZEITGEIST be aware that during the first several minutes of opening commentary the screen is black - -it is that way intentionally, a technique, that I suspect, the producer used to challenge the viewer to become present with one’s own mind, to apply your analytic power, to give your attention to facts, and to unleash your imagination from distractions while being singularly focused “on the immediacy of the now.”

And, a last suggestion, brace yourself emotionally. For as I saw,once again, Americans jumping to their death it emotionally re-generated my rage at the Neonazicon bastards, it inflamed my determination and my drive to see the Criminal Cabal placed in the docket and charged with murder and treason.

9/11!  Just so,

A. Z. Arrow

12/19/ 07

http://WWW.ZEITGEISTMOVIE.COM

Nilnuts is trying to be funny for all the nice folks out here in the world composed mostly of make believe, as in, “Alice in Wonderland.” But he is not trying to be funny for me, as he knows that I know, and I don’t live in Wonderland. It’s why he and his kind are so deathly afraid of me. He and his kind have tried to recruit me. Failing that, they tried to buy me.  Failing that, they tried to frighten me.  Failing that, they tried to murder me, quite a few times, but I don’t submit to any of these ordinary things. It’s why they are afraid of me.

Hiding 10 pages back and thinking the world is afraid of YOU?  Do you know what it took to find you buried back here, far from the madding crowd?

“I don’t live in Wonderland.”

Care to make a small wager on that? ROFLMAO!

Less Frank than Bush-Cheney: You have surpassed even Dog$#it as the weirdest and dumbest dumb shit to post on Truthdig.

Even “Robert” seems to have found it too deep in this gold mine for him!

Of course, that would be a Mark Twain Gold Mine: “A hold in the ground with a liar standing next to it!”

What a cowardly dumb fuck you are to post your ravings back here where it’s nice and safe!

Re: #119683 by niloroth

Nilnuts is trying to be funny for all the nice folks out here in the world composed mostly of make believe, as in, “Alice in Wonderland.” But he is not trying to be funny for me, as he knows that I know, and I don’t live in Wonderland. It’s why he and his kind are so deathly afraid of me. He and his kind have tried to recruit me. Failing that, they tried to buy me.  Failing that, they tried to frighten me.  Failing that, they tried to murder me, quite a few times, but I don’t submit to any of these ordinary things. It’s why they are afraid of me.

If the corrupt cannot corrupt you, cannot locate a price you will take, cannot frighten you, and cannot murder you, it makes them nervous. They send morons such as nilnuts to draw other citizens into the fold so that they may not hear me telling it like it is. Right, nilnuts?

Nilnuts, tell your prez I said, “Get off those nobs, you’re only a wannabe girl.”

Franker than Frank:

Yeah, sorry about that, we have a new spyware software package, and i didn’t install it correctly, but i have read the full manual now, so you should have no problems from now on.

Or, the government hackers that live in my computer hijacked my message and sent me a reply that said, “You have abused TD’s policy against spam. Therefore you are not allowed to post any further more comments.” I was unable to post any comments after that.  However, today I posted the below (#119001) just for the hell of it. Obviously it got through without a hitch.  And so it must have had nothing to do with TD. It was the gubby hackers that live in my computer and hijack it from time to time to serve their ends. But hey, this is only Amerika as it has always been. It’s just that only a few folks such as I knew it, all the rest were fast asleep until recently. Those of us that pose an intellectual threat to the criminals that run the place only knew about it because we have been attacked so furiously while the rest of you slept. Now everybody seems to be getting a dose.

By and by I will see if I can sneak the message past them that they would not let me post. It was hot.

To all:

I’ve been knocked of TD for telling it too much like it is. It’s TD’s loss.

#117425 by Peter RV

Hi Peter and thanks for the message. You actually beat me too it, since I was (at some point) going to attempt to say at least some of the things that you’ve pointed out, to make my position a bit clearer, as far as the whole Ron Paul thing has exploded. In all honesty, I think many posters who are normally clear headed about most issues, have become inflamed by ideologues who have put a nasty sort of a ‘flavor’ out there in our cyberspace arena, turning it into a competition of sorts, (at least in their own minds) instead of a discussion on the issues and the pros and cons of all of them. (including those things that don’t seem to be of any major concern to most us, in comparison with what you have so correctly noted as the extreme danger that we’re in, in rapidly becoming a police state).

And believe me, I AM aware, (I suspect more than you know) of how disastrous and critical those issues are. But bear with me here. I’ve known it for YEARS, and have experienced the PANIC of it long before the rest of the population even knew what hit us. (and many still don’t). So, by NO MEANS am I disregarding that. Please understand that.

I should ALSO say that I HAVE listened to more recent speeches from Ron Paul, (remember, I was a Texas resident for nearly two decades, so I’m aware of Paul from way back when, because of course he’s been a representative of that state for many years). So, I had an opportunity to form an opinion on his basic positions, (the bigger picture) long ago. And, I can tell you that this Libertarian stuff is NEW. It’s a political tactic that sort of re-makes him in the eyes of the populace, to offer a better choice (at least perceived as such) for a public that is FINALLY catching on to the fact that their formerly beloved repugs are a bunch of low-down dirty bastards. So, the whole Libertarian thing is a “new look” to try and separate himself from the standard group/ideology that he represents, which is the standard REPUBLICAN conservative concepts. In other words, Ron Paul could have, at any time in the past 20 plus years, actually RUN on an Independent or Libertarian ticket, if in fact that’s what his beliefs and ideals truly are. But, he has NOT. And, if you look at his record, you’ll see that he always (98% of the time) votes in line with the most conservative of repugs. The war issue was indeed a departure from that, and we could, if we wanted to, question HIS own reasons, for standing away from his party on that issue, since I don’t believe them to be the SAME reasons for many of the others who argued against the war action from the very start. And yes, while so many people here seem to forget that, there WERE MANY who opposed this illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq from the beginning. Congress people just like Ron Paul. Cynthia McKinney, Barbara Lee, and Barack Obama, (though Obama was in the Illinois Senate at the time) along with Senators like Bernie Sanders. So, Ron Paul was NOT the only one, though he was the only Republican now running for President. I’m not dismissing that, but I would like to find out what his objections were, because it is actually very different from his previous congressional behavior.

That said, I DO understand this maneuvering, and I’m NOT disrespecting genuine patriots who have their priorities that are equally important to all of us. I’m not dismissing any of that, nor am I dismissing typical republican voters who want to remain true to the basic ideology of that party. (for many voters, depending on state, it would require actually re-registering for a different party) I ALSO acknowledge that at least SOME of what Ron Paul says, DOES sound attractive. So, if I’ve failed to say that before, then I should acknowledge that now.

TBC

Part 2
However, there are TWO main concerns that I have with that, and the first one is probably the lesser in the big picture. First, I don’t believe that Ron Paul can accomplish the bigger concerns of you (and nearly all other voters) such as the
“Police State” and the trouble with the economy, which actually probably stands as the absolute biggest concern to anyone even partially aware. And, in part, (as for the whole police state issue) it’s because he can’t, nor does he want to. (IMO – I’ll have to check to see what he has to say about Blackwater, and all of the other private armies that operate both domestically and abroad). On the economy, I also know that he can’t help, at least not the way he’s proposed to do it. Now, maybe he honestly does believe his own rhetoric, and may be sincere. I’ve indicated that before. And, that has in fact been his focus for at least a decade, (I’ve recently checked his list of publications…and that’s what most of them are about…money, gold, god, the economy, the IRS). I’ve not yet read any of them completely through, but I’ll plan to.

STILL, what he’s saying all sounds wonderful. Who among us wouldn’t be delighted to be free from the burden of paying income taxes? Well, MOST of us, because in the past many years, it’s MOST of us that are carrying that load. I should remind you however, that Ron Paul is not among them. So, while it appeals to the majority of us, how realistic is it, to simply do without the system entirely? Because THAT is what he is advocating. He’s advocating a way to eliminate income taxes entirely, and in his state, 1 of only 3 in the nation, they’ve LONG since done away with state income tax. (Actually, I’m not sure TX ever had it, it was admitted as a slave state, when the economy was based on cotton, so they may never have had such an income tax) This seemed of course, to be an ‘advantage’ for me, when I lived there myself. But in reality, it didn’t save me a whole lot of money, because I didn’t EARN those big bucks. (salaries for most blue collar workers in that particular state, as well as Florida, are much lower than they are on the west coast) Still, it was a minor advantage for me, but guess what? It was a HUGE advantage for Halliburton, Chevron-Exxon, etc, etc. IE, Tx is a corporate HAVEN. It is corporate haven for the military industrial complexas well as parts of the Insurance industry.

So, back to the tax thing. While most of us would love to be released from such burdens, stop for a moment, and think about what taxes actually pay for, (or are supposed to pay for) and ask yourself how those funds will be alternatively provided, if we DON’T collect them via an income tax. In some cases, property taxes, sales taxes and things like tolls for parts of the infrastructure can help. But even in states that DON’T collect a state income tax, they are either shortchanged on the things that most other state residents take for granted, and..they STILL require the bulk of what the federal government DOES provide to states. (i.e, Texas and Florida receive more Federal aid than California for basic stuff like education, or other social services) even though California has a much larger population. BUT, California collects a State income tax. (only TX,NV and FL don’t) NV can supplement easy enough, since they DO collect taxes on some of their industry that is otherwise illegal in most other states. But TX is left pretty much in a poor state, for the majority of the state, because unless one is in a ‘high rent district’ that benefits from the property taxes, basic services are very limited. (transportation, education, social service programs, public services, etc)

So, a good portion of what these states miss from not having their own tax collection system, ends up coming from the feds. How fair is that? And, what will we do if we have NO tax system at all? (which is what he advocates). How will these basic services be funded?

TBC

Part 3
I’m not suggesting that there shouldn’t be a major OVERHAUL of the income tax system, because there should be. When middle class and poor workers are paying more into the system than the wealthiest of the wealthy, something is obviously going to be out of whack, and that’s exactly what has occurred over the past 7 years, as the repugs have drained the national treasury, while continue to provide tax CUTS to the most wealthy, as well as the corporations. BUT, THAT is not the agenda that concerns Ron Paul. He’s not talking about getting the wealthy to pay their fair share, because he is, and always is, a capitalist and a rethug at heart. So, his agenda requires basically ABANDONING the system as it exists, and replacing it with…we know not what. Or, at least we know that what he’s suggesting as an alternative would never work. So, as scary as all the rest of it is, SO IS THIS!

His is NOT a new approach on this, because in his state, they tried to kick this off over 10 years ago, at least with the SS thing. They were encouraging folks – even back that far, to switch to privatized accounts, instead of paying into the SS system. More recently of course, this was also a major part of the Bush agenda, they came to office, (remember, these are all the same group that moved from Tx to DC) and they had every intention of pushing the same onto the rest of the country. BUT, outside of TX, folks weren’t going for it. So, it became one of the few planned disasters that DIDN’T take place. And yes, I do reasonable fear that it is part of Ron Paul’s agenda, to pick that up again, even if it’s packaged differently, and claims to be part of his now Libertarian plan. As an old friend from TX would say, “same shit, different smell”. These are NOT minor concerns. I’m not saying I HATE the man, but these ARE legitimate concerns for the long term well being of the populace. ALL of us.

These are just a couple of the long term effects of a Ron Paul agenda, and I’m not saying that on the surface, it doesn’t sound great. I AM however, considering the longer term dangers that he doesn’t address. I’m not kidding when I say that he will dismantle ALL social service programs, because he’s said as much himself, and his voting record indicates his position on these things. He may claim otherwise, but the bottom line is that he doesn’t believe ANY of these things, (education, medical attention of ANY kind, housing, child care for working parents – I could go on) should be paid with ANY federal or state income tax monies) Now, we take these services for granted, because for the most part, depending on where we live, they’ve always been available. But, when there’s no way to pay for them, how do we suppose it’s going to happen? And, do you ‘trust’ your STATE to provide for all of that? What if you don’t LIVE in a wealthy state? What if you live in a poor state, where most of the population is now either without jobs, or very underpaid? (RP was AGAINST raising the minimum wage). What if your state can’t collect all that it needs from sales and property taxes?

As for the war thing, I couldn’t be more pleased at his promises to get ALL of our military out of countries where we simply have no business. And, I’ve ALWAYS felt that way. I also know that this particular issue, IS actually do-able. It would NOT be a difficult thing, to bring them all home, and there’s no reason for them to be all over the world. So, he need only say the word. But, WILL HE REALLY? That remains to be seen. (then again, I hope not). Now I can’t say if any other candidate will COMMIT to that, but I do believe that it’s doable if they wanted to. I’ll also say that several other candidates HAVE committed to bringing our troops out of the Middle East, including Richards, Edwards, Kucinich, Obama, and Gravel. So I reject the notion that only Kucinich and Paul have offered this, because it’s simply not true.

TBC

Part 4
Yes, I DO understand the ‘fix’ that so many people feel themselves to be in, because our own party/electoral system for selecting our leaders is HIGHLY flawed, leaving MOST of us in a position where we feel we are forced to selected from the least of the evils, based on who we believe has the ‘best chance’, instead of the person whom we would really like to see. This is a major travesty for all of us, and it’s largely why we’re in the position that we’re in now. I don’t have any solutions. I wish I did. All I can say is, vote your conscience, even if it doesn’t seem like that person has a chance, based on what the major media, (and even most other posters here) have to say about it. And, there is still time. I won’t pretend that it isn’t a daunting task, because we’re not going to find one or more candidates that satisfy the needs or even the ‘perceived’ wishes of the entire population. But, if the last 7 years haven’t proven to you what a dangerous bunch the repugs are, (at least with these neoconners) than I simply don’t know what else would.

Now in a later post, I’ll get into the Constitutional thing, because that’s where I find the Ron Paul message/promises to be MOST dangerous. I don’t think folks understand just HOW dangerous it would be to basically dissemble the Constitution as we know it today. And, while I understand that to be the biggest ‘attraction’ for supporters of Ron Paul, I also realize that most people don’t really have a full grasp of what that involves. And, I think he knows that as well. He’s nothing if not a very slick politician. And, I’m not saying that because I harbor some extreme HATRED for the man, which is the way so many on this board have tried to make it appear. I say it because in reality, MOST politicians are that way, to a greater or lesser degree. It’s just the way it is. It’s the same reason that so many people have such unfavorable opinions of lawyers. And, I understand that as well, even though it is my own field now that I’ve returned to academia. (Law & Society). Fortunately, my own field offers a more pluralistic way to utilize a legal system that benefits more of the population, and not just the rich or the powerful. But yes, it DOES require returning to the basic concepts and accomplishments of the Constitution.

This is NOT the first time in our history that a president has violated portions of the Constitution. It IS the first time in history that they have been violated to the extent that they have been with this gang. So, it’s perfectly understandable for all of us to jump at any sign from anyone who claims to be willing to return to the rule of law, as guided by the Constitution. HOWEVER, just as the tax system needs to be REPAIRED, (not demolished) so it is with the Constitution. That is NOT, and I have to repeat this…that is NOT what Ron Paul plans to do. Rather, he plans to cherry pick what he wants, from the eras and portions that he wants, and reinterpret that Constitution in his own conception and/or understanding of it. This would be a VERY DANGEROUS AGENDA; REGARDLESS of WHO was promising it. If Dennis Kucinich was mouthing this same rhetoric, I’d have to cut him loose, and even go so far as to warn against it. If Barack Obama was suggesting it, it would be the same. Now, I might be slightly more trusting of a candidate making such suggestions, if in fact they had ANY legal background. Ron Paul doesn’t. And, that’s not a smear, but it’s not his thing. OK? He’s a physician, (though I doubt he’s done a whole lot in that arena in the past 20 or so years, if only because of his job in congress…kind of hard to be both a practicing doc and a congressman), and yes, he IS a politician, so he would, (or should) be at least familiar with the Constitution, and the rules of parliamentary procedure.

TBC

Part 5

Still, there are many politicians who are not. That’s why we have an entirely different branch of government: THE COURTS to decide Constitutional issues. HE is NOT a professional of that branch. He is a member of the legislative branch, and that simply does not qualify him, (any more than you or I) to make decisions about that other branch of our government, which is exactly why the founders set it up that way to begin with. It is supposed to act as a Separation of Powers, between these branches. The fact that we have lost that, is very much the reason that we’re in this horrible mess.

Ron Paul is NOT going to fix it, even though it may certainly sound that way, based on his rhetoric. Ron Paul has already stated that he would just as soon do away with that branch entirely, and he’s CERTAINLY made many legislative moves that would diminish the power of the courts. That is dangerous, and we see that as it has transpired. (Gonzo, Ashcroft, Clarence Thomas, and many, many others that have been placed in these positions by this administration, or similar ones before it). But here again, just like the tax system, we don’t need to DESTROY it, we need to REPAIR it.

So again, this is NOT about me ‘hating’ Ron Paul. It IS about me seeing him in the same light that I saw in the disaster that I knew (well in advance) would come from Dick Bush. I didn’t believe then, nor do I believe now, that George Bush, -ALONE- could create this disaster, though I knew he would be bad. His Governorship was a preview. But with Cheney in the picture, and all of the neocons that have consistently worked behind the scenes to destroy the system, (and it is THEY who put him in the position to begin with, to do exactly what has been allowed to happen) and an equally corrupt Congress, we have what we have now.

Now, back then, I was accused of these very same things. “Oh, you just hate George Bush.” That was NOT the case, though I would admit that I wasn’t fond of him for all of the reasons that have since become known to the rest of the world. No, it was the COMBNATION that I was concerned about, because I do know what and how these people think. (meaning this branch of the conservative party). And, let me warn you that even those words have taken on new meaning, in a new era. Let me also remind you that Ron Paul, for all he may say, is STILL not that far off, ideologically, from the rest of that bunch. There’s a REASON why he is in the repuglican party, and he’s always supported his cohorts in the past, INCLUDING Tom Delay, who served the adjoining district.

Language is OVERWHELMINGLY important. Don’t let ANY spin doctor fool you. Look at ALL of the issues, including the long term issues. ANY of these candidates, can…if they choose to, end that interference in the middle east. They can also bring our troops back from Korea, Japan, Germany, etc, etc. IF THEY WANT TO. And while none of them has made a direct commitment to do it, (knowing that it’s more than a notion to dig out of whatever agreements have made, that we may not even be aware of) not all of them have expressed a desire for endless war. In that respect, there are several to choose from, including Richardson, Obama, Kucinich, and Gravel. Kucinich is better on health care, than ALL of them. (I know that Ron Paul is NOT gonna budge on that…he WILL continue to support the Insurance Industry as the middle man, in what drives the costs up, for those who can in fact afford it. But, he will make ALL medical care even less available, for those who cannot.) That isn’t a good thing for our collective survival. Just dragging down more and more of the population to levels of poverty is NOT gonna help, even if YOU personally, can manage to be one of the few who can remain afloat. In the end, it still doesn’t help you, if nobody else around you has anything. Even your guns will not save you from blackwater, if in fact you really are concerned about what has already become an Authoritarian State

Part 6
Now, I’ve not yet read your link, but I WILL. I have a feeling, (as I mentioned earlier) that I already know what has you so alarmed. I’ve been that way since December, 2000. Actually, before that, because of living in Tx, where this was already the ‘environment’ once GW became the Gov there.  Now I’ve already checked pretty thoroughly, on Ron Paul’s congressional record, to know for myself, how he interprets the Constitution. BUT, admittedly, I’ve only listened to or read a few of his RECENT speeches/statements, and none of what I’ve heard or read so far, has given me any real information on exactly HOW he plans to ‘return to the Constitution’. So, I’ll make it a point to read more of those as well. Because at the end of the day, that is my own biggest concern. I’m very, very, worried about the long term damage that could come from such a radical reorganization of our entire system, because I believe the Constitution to be a fundamentally solid blue print to work with. I believe it to be so well done, and mostly so well managed over the Centuries, to be perfectly easy enough to repair. I don’t think we have to throw the baby out with the bath water though.

Oh, on the special interests thing, including the Lobbies, and the one that most folks here are particularly concerned with. I DO believe that Ron Paul is sincere on his troubles with the Israel lobby. I don’t doubt that at all. I DO have some troubles with what I believe his reasons are though, which are not necessarily the same as ours, on a more human rights or universal concern. I also don’t believe that he is antagonistic to ALL special interests. Not at all. I believe he’s JUST FINE with BIG OIL, and I believe he’s basically just fine with health care for profit, (including the middle man) as well. At least that’s what his congressional record leads me to believe. And, while he may not APPEAR to be supported by the loudly boisterous “corporate America” that we all see as the evil that it is, there is a much quieter, but still equally dangerous number of ideologues that both fund and support him, in the most silent of ways. Here again, I’m only talking fact, that can’t necessarily be ‘known to all’, if we’ve only just begun to pay attention to him. History matters.

Or, you may not care, and I respect that. I just believe that all people need to know the ‘real deal’, so that they can then allow their own reason and conscience to properly direct them. While he may not have one big Oprah behind him, he’s got lots and lots of other ‘almost as big’ organizations, or at least ones with plenty of money, who just aren’t as loud about it as Oprah, or as transparent as the others like Hillary and Guiliani. Don’t be fooled. Orange County, Ca is indeed HIS, from the looks of things, and they DO have some major bucks. And, it’s all private. They only share with those who will maintain their interests in KEEPING it private, and in their hands. Other such enclaves are dotted throughout the country, and especially in all white areas that are determined to stay that way. That too, is not new. Awful as it may sound, the truth is that this nation was established that very way. The results of this ongoing gentrification/privatization may not have reached you yet. Still, it is not something that Ron Paul is going to stop. Rather, it would become far worse.

#118155 by Peter RV on 12/05 at 8:14 am
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#118028 by Robert

It is absolutely fitting the base character of the man in the WH, to rehire a totally discredited individual who has done so much harm to this Country.
If the impeachment process doesn’t start right now,perhaps it is the time to go on baricades.

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#118136 by Franker than Frank on 12/05 at 7:18 am
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#118028 by Robert

Of course, Robert, all the highest placed in the 911 conspiracy have been promoted and will be taken care of as long as the criminals most highly placed are in charge. The lesser criminals that actually set the charges, flew the planes and did all the grunt work, have no doubt been murdered by now by the special hit squads operating within the black intel network. And all the other folks around the periphery of it that can “kiss and tell” will continue to be murdered until everything is “clean and shiny” for the biggies. It’s just the way of the beast.
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FtF, Peter...Just think about how much Paul Wolfowitz and the rest of the zionist neo-cons know. Most, if not all the “classified information” and other specific details regarding 9/11.

Just think about the threat of leaks and blackmail these zionist neocons have for arsenal on GW & Cheney! Paul Wolfowitz and his zionist buddies could ask for just about anything from this current administration which is almost totally controlled by AIPAC and infiltrated by so many zionists.

There are NO surprises here in regards to Wolfowitz new job title in this corrupt administration. Its either comply or the leaks/blackmail will surely start to surface from various locations.

The finger will NOT be pointed at the Israeli Mossad. It will be pointed at => GW, Cheney, Rumsfeld, CIA ... that is how AIPAC’s controlled Mainstream News Media will manipulate and take control of their desired objectives.

• But his selection has raised more than a few eyebrows within State because he’ll be providing advice on some of the same issues that critics say the administration got spectacularly wrong when Wolfowitz was pushing the case for the Iraq War at the Pentagon…… (One of the department sources called the appointment “amazing.")….

And yes, it IS AMAZING!!! It’s more and more amazing every single time, and yet…we continue to see this, over and over and over again. It’s become an historical ‘hallmark’ of this administration. Because I can honestly say that while there have been many screw-ups by those in the ‘higher places’ of the government over history, and some have indeed escaped relatively unscathed, (with zero accountability) there has NEVER been a time when they’ve gone on to continually screw up (and SO drastically) and continue to maintain that same level/placement of power and control.

So, keep in mind that Wolfie was one of the signatories to the PNAC. I’ve always believed that Condi the Rice has far less real control or influence than it might appear. Believe me, if she wasn’t doing their bidding, she surely wouldn’t be sitting in that chair. Still, if and when the fall ever comes, I’m thinking Condi is NOT going to have the same ‘protection’ that all of the rest of them provide for each other.

In a backstabbing crowd like this one, (and as things eventually fall apart) she’s gonna be one of the first eliminated. For now though, she’s highly placed to carry out her orders, like putting Wolfie in yet another job, that allows for such dangerous influence and consequences.

Here’s another line that for the past 7 plus years, has become a staple (or like a journalistic template) for nearly ANY news reported on the thugs…

• ….according to two department sources who declined to be identified discussing personnel matters…..

They are ALWAYS ‘anonymous’ sources. Seriously…EVERYTHING they do with the business of we the people, is ALWAYS secret!!! It’s like people have become adjusted to it now, and THAT is really sickening. How did we somehow begin to accept this so widely?

Anyway, thanks for this. It was posted on the democrats unity site, and on a few other sites as well, so I’ve already had my moment of utter disgust. On the dems activist site, it was listed among a dozen or so other things that the congress has remained UTTERLY SILENT about.

Meantime, just saw a pop-up on the news reader, that Israel is STILL accusing Iran of trying to build a bomb, even though it’s finally been proven, (even by our own people to be a lie – which I’ve always known myself). How they continue to get away with it is beyond me, and always has been. BUT, at least the rest of the world is now onto them, and that should hopefully count for something.

#118136 by Franker than Frank

Kind of reminds me of those misplaced nukes from Minot AFB and the subsequent deaths of many of airmen who were in a position to know anything.

That whole affair is dirty.

Bush Caught Lying About September 11th

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sADxtFBNPIc