The psychology of torture is interesting in that it reveals a lot--not about those being tortured, but about those who endorse torture.

Torture is, according to intelligence agencies, almost never useful in gathering accurate information (the “reason” most often given by those who support it). The person being tortured will tell the torturer what he wants to hear, but still withhold other information.

Intelligence officials say they almost always get more information by befriending the subject than they could ever get by torturing him.

So--why torture at all?

The main reason for torture, down through the centuries, has been to extract a “confession,” whether the torturer was an inquisitor during the Middle Ages, or a North Vietnamese officer in the 1960’s.

This extracted confession is more for the benefit of the Dear Leader’s ego and propaganda, than for any practical purpose. Torture serves the same psychological purpose as alpha-male dogs ritually mounting their defeated rivals, only the human version shows even less dignity.

I thought, long ago as a kid growing up in the 60’s, that I lived in a country that had transcended torture and its accompanying weird psychological underpinnings. Apparently, I was wrong.

Cheney/Bush’s Mercenary Legions
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/082907K.shtml
This is really scary!

98144

Well Zhu Bajie we know the CIA had been torturing and murdering people since the 1960’s in post war Germany. We also know an American operative who knew about these tortures was found dead 30 stories below his Manhattan apartment. It was called a suicide.

97705 Right on Nancy! Hey that’s a nice Pennsylvania name you’ve got there too!

97911

Purplewolf, I believe your relatives. Most politicians are buffoons. The only thing they know or even think about is campaign finance, lifetime salaries and cushy corporate lobby positions to retire to. There are a few exceptions of course. Let’s pray that one of those exceptions becomes the next president.

Nike in all fairness, although the American people first learned of the abuses in April, 2004, no one at the time knew Bush was behind it. It was promoted as the actions of a few bad apples. In fact evidence was hidden and investigations stifled for more than a year. Information is still being stifled. No one in government even bothered to attempt to hold Bush and his cronies accountable for Abu Ghraib until June 30th, 2005. The most extensive reports on the abuses didn’t come out until March 15th, 2006 from Salon.

Although 4 military personnel were charged with abuses in May of 2003, we didn’t know anything even happened until 60 Minutes 2 aired it on their segment in April of 2004(it was delayed for two weeks by Richard Myers and the department of defense and aired at the same time American Idol and the Simpson’s were on.) and later when Seymore Hersh(Taguba Report) posted an article in The New Yorker in May, 2004. We both know Seymore Hersh doesn’t get prime time either! Also the government told us (with the help of major media), that these cases were isolated incidents, the perpetrators degenerates acting of their own volition. 17 of these “bad apples” were tried and sentenced between May, 2004 and April, 2005 and again no one in government was accepting any blame for it though we later found out Rumsfeld offered his resignation twice, after the elections.

To this day the Pentagon insists that “Copper Green” never existed. In fact Chairman Myers as late as May 2nd, 2005 said he never saw the Taguba report.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_pr isoner_abuse

What we knew prior to the election was that a few isolated incidents occurred. That’s all. We were never told how widespread it was(the republicans were painting it as a frat party) and we didn’t fully understand how the government(John Yoo, Alberto Gonzales) manipulated the law to permit certain forms of torture. Then too of course Kerry was made out to be a commie traitor in the circus they called the presidential election campaign of 2004.

I’ll admit there are people out there to this day who believe these tortures at Abu Ghraib and elsewhere were blown out of proportion. I’ll bet there are even some who see no wrong in this kind of behavior. On them the blame should clearly fall, along with the corporate news and White House propaganda they believe. I’d like to add I didn’t vote for the son of a bitch and neither did tens of millions of other Americans and questions over the manipulations of both of the last two elections persist.

97911

Purplewolf, I’m sure you hit on it right here…

..."They said they were so far out in their fantasy world they have created in their minds,they were all certainly certifiable for the mental instutitions."…

I believe this. I’ve always believed it. (Well..for the past 5 or 6 years). And, only because I really have fretted over trying to figure this out. And, now that time has proven it, I just don’t get why we haven’t done something yet.

Because, in effect, this is the same sort of psychology that they’ve tried to inflict on all of US...that nothing’s real. Or at least nothing outside the new “reality” that Karl Rove said could now be manufactured, since we were an “empire”. (of course he didn’t mean that to be “we the people” had become an empire, but rather the Cabal).

Still, that’s exactly what they’ve done in the past 6 years, is to create a series of “realities”, and present them to the American people, and the rest of the world.

Fortunately, fewer folks are buying it, and more Americans are coming out of this sort of mass infection of this “unreality”. But, that’s us, as in ‘we the people’.

Meantime, they still haven’t figured it out. Seems like even the top of the line hallucenogens would have worn off by now, but not if their drawers are stocked I guess.

So, they just stay in the rabbit hole forever...even when the Mad Hatter Strikes Back, they don’t even notice that.

It’s pathetic. It’s like we’re all kids being abused by negligent, drug addled parents. These are the kinds of people that social workers have to track down, when they are just so out there, as to be totally irresponsible, and/or capable of providing the most basic of parenting skills to their children. And, it’s an all consuming and seemingly never ending task. (not to mention being a thankless one.)

And often times, the bureaucracy misjudges, and can’t figure out when children are perfectly safe, (regardless of what they “perceive") and when kids might really be at risk.

Meantime, we’ve got an entire batch of these same types, running the country, and so far...nearly 7 years into it, nobody seems all that concerned about employing the bureaucracy to remove them!!!

That’s because everything is unreal.

Where are the social workers when we need them?

I fear the US govt. has been torturing people for a long time. It’s just a little more obvious now.  And of course, local cops have been torturing confessions out of people for a long time, too.

# 97874 Michael Shaw:
Recently,some relatives,who served in the military in the 50’s and have traveled the world extensively, were in the presence of some of our higher ups who run? the country. They came back and told how unbelievely out of touch with reality these polititions are with the real world on a daily basis. They said they were so far out in their fantasy world they have created in their minds,they were all certainly certifiable for the mental instutitions.This is perhaps one reason they justify torture, along with the other fantsies that fill their heads,to them it really isn’t real.It’s all only make believe.Can we say hallucinogenics anyone?I have the designer straitjackets!

97705 Nancy you hit the nail! You’re absolutely right!

I really like Dennis Kucinich but of course, he doesn’t stand a chance in hell. He is incorruptible since he accepts no corporate finance, not that corporations would give him any in the first place. They fear him! He’s the perfect guy for the job and exactly what we need. That’s why he’ll never win.

I think the only guy who comes in as a close second and actually stands a chance is John Edwards. He too is addressing universal health care and the need for social reform. He also admitted his initial support of the war in Iraq was a grand mistake, something Hilary has failed to do. Now that Hilary is having some negative campaign finance press, Edwards (and Obama’s) chances have gotten a boost. There is nothing I would like to see more then Dennis Kucinich winning the nomination. But frankly at this point I will be satisfied if Edwards gets the nod. The republicans(Rove)are afraid of him. That’s why they attack Hilary. They want the dems to nominate her since they believe she is the easiest of all the leading democratic contenders to defeat. They already have tons of ammo. But they aren’t touching Edwards. They fear him and they realize his appeal. They did the same thing with Kerry. They blasted him but didn’t go near Edwards. I say give um what they fear the most!

97839 Cyrena

Right wing terror organizations have been on the rise steadily in the last 6 years. Google the Southern Poverty Law Office on line and see for yourself. Apparently since terrorism is “everywhere” the government isn’t bothering to see what’s in its own backyard. I guess they forgot that right wing extremists were responsible for the bombing in Oklahoma City.

Of course I heard about Cindy Sheehan’s potential bid for Pelosi’s seat. It should be interesting to see how that develops.

Feinstein has ran unopposed for years. I think it’s time to remove that comfort. I don’t remember Sheehan challenging Feinstein. I do remember Huffington challenging Arnold but she also said she would never oppose Feinstein if she chose to run for governor. For the life of me I can’t understand why? If Huffington is so independently progressive you would think she would enjoy ousting a devout republicrat and jump at the opportunity. 

As for the politicians, it seems they are very good when it comes to running campaigns, getting elected and staying in office. But when it comes to actual governing they haven’t got a clue. Even with all the corporate bribery and corruption that shapes policy, it seems in many cases they are more removed from reality than we are.

97730

Hi Michael,

Indeed, I’m making these connections on the Blue Dogs. They must be among the ones that managed to so demonize Cynthia McKinney. I only just was reminded of her again, after listening to another interview with Janis Kapinski on the truthout site. The connection being what happens to those who somehow choose to speak to all of these issues that nobody is supposed to talk about.

And, having spent nearly two decades living and working among the likes of them all (TX) I STILL find myself amazed at some of the things that continue to go on. Like the whole voting thing that you mentioned. The caging, and the intimidation of black voters in places like Florida makes it all so surreal, like we’re back in the 50’s and 60’s. (Since I don’t remember anything from before then, but I certainly have read the history.)

And, damn if it doesn’t seem like we’re just going backwards. I was amazed to read a story just a couple of years ago, about some school kids in Florida, dressed up in KKK outfits to terrorize an African-American school bus driver. I mean....REALLY!!! What exactly is going on here?

And then there’s that whole episode down in Jena Louisiana. It’s like something out of a nightmare, and the poison of it has seeped throughout the corporate/private sector as well.

As for challengers to any of these corporate reps, we run into the same problem that we see with nearly any elected officials within our political system here. Generally speaking, those who are most qualified can never possibly afford to run election campaigns. So, the pool is already very limited to those with the bucks, like Diane and Nancy. Cindy Sheehan has threatened to challenge Pelosi, and it seemed like I remembered a time when she threatened the same with Diane. And, she’s certainly been more successful than anyone I can think of, seeing as how it’s HARD to be continually vilified by the general public, when you know you’re doing the one thing that none of them had yet had the courage to do. So, it remains to be seen, whether or not she or anyone else might be inclined to try and challenge either one.

I’d be happy to offer my services as an advisor, but Lord knows I sure don’t have the funds to launch a dog race, let alone political election campaign. (not that they’re so different.

I’m telling you, it is DANGEROUS out there!! Have you been keeping up with all of the whistleblower and other political retaliation tales? It’s even worse than I thought. More and more coming to the surface, and that’s only those who’ve so far lived to tell about it.

97719 Hi Cyrena!

The blue dog democrats, as far as I’m concerned, are the remnants of the Jim Crow era, the good old boys who made registering to vote all but impossible for blacks adding a poll tax to make it even more impossible. These are the contemporary George Wallace’s, the kinds of guys Kennedy had to send armed troops to just so a black girl could go to what was once construed as an all white school or so Rosa Parks could ride on a bus! We see the republicans doing much of the same things today by blacklisting liberal voters, making it harder for minority’s to vote and even blockading roads to the polls in their districts as happened in Florida. These blue-dogs and the republicans they serve are one and the same!  If they weren’t they wouldn’t be consistently voting with them or stifling impeachment.

As for Pelosi, the first big blunder she made as speaker was saying she would take impeachment off the table. She deserves your scorn. That was sheer stupidity I think. You don’t reward bad behavior and Pelosi’s remark is nothing short of capitulation! Feinstein is even worse! Both come off as liberal San Francisco democrats(We know what the republicans call them) but the truth is they are very conservative and governed by the same big special interest groups as the republicans. At one time I considered it good politicking but when I saw Feinstein going out of her way to undermine the first amendment I realized she and her defense contracting billionaire husband are nothing more then pro-war hawks with a self vested interest in warfare. Frankly I’m surprised an independent challenger hasn’t surfaced. If one did, they’d get my vote.

97638 from Michael Shaw,

Thanks for the excellent analysis. It’s stuff to think on, and keep in mind. Especially the part about these blue dog democrats. I’ve had the most difficult time trying to understand who they are, and where they came from, and how they’ve been able to paralyze so many efforts for legislative change. I’ve been willing to put most of the “blame” on Pelosi, just because she was the most visible one to blame I suppose, with her pre-announcement of impeachment as “off the table”. Besides that, she’s got a reputation for dismissing and disrespecting her colleagues in the House.

So, she hasn’t done us any favors, and Dianne Feinstein never has either, because of all the corporate stuff that you’ve well explained, is just part and parcel of the system. Still, she’s failed to perform her duties as well. The impeachment of Bush and Cheney should have been the first order of business of this new Congress, and if we were actually guided by the Constitution, it would be an overwhelmingly BIpartisan effort.

So, if we were just following the guide book, the impeachment would be a done deal, and we’d be out of Iraq now as well. So, I’d be happy if these candidates, who also happen to be members of Congress, (so John Edwards gets a break on this) would just spend the rest of the year getting our house in order.

Meantime, now that I know who these blue dogs are, we’ll have to spread the word to their own constituencies, who may not even be “aware” themselves.

I’m actually in favor of the break in election politics for a while. I’d like to see all of these candidates spend a little bit more time at their day jobs, seeing as how things are so jacked-up

#97581 by TAO Walker on 8/29 at 5:34 pm
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Thanks. 
I no longer post...I lack your wisdom and eloquence.

97578 Well Tyler, as Conyers mentioned, it’s the blue dog democrats who are really to blame, not only for making illegal domestic spying legal but in hampering any attempts to impeachment. Others among them include Dianne Feinstein and William Casey who have traditionally voted with Bush from the start.  It is not the entire democrat party but I’ll admit the DLC, Hilary’s gang have the most special interest money behind them and have been in charge of the dems since the Clinton Era. These so called new democrats(They call themselves Truman or Johnson democrats, I call them republicans) are the real problem. Most are southern democrats excluding John Edwards. Anything you hear about dems being spineless or wimps is due to them. “Blue Dog Democrats” is a derivative of “yellow dog democrats” which seems to fit them well along with their pro Bush voting record and other capitulations.

If you’ll recall Clinton gave us NAFTA and the WTO by following the advice of Dick Morris to get reelected. Both plans came from republicans and Clinton signed them into law and slashed social welfare to boot. It got him reelected but it also got him a whole lot more than he bargained for. I see Hilary obviously as a continuation which supports some of what you’re saying but she ain’t in there yet! I believe the blue dog democrats are an intentional infiltration by the right into the democratic party and money of course is the key. That’s why Hilary badmouthed Russ Feingold over his attempt at campaign finance reform. Then of course McCain capitulated to Bush and made it even easier to get around the law.

To the proponents who say we have lost it all and there is no hope, I say this is a grand opportunity for the democrats(and us) to either do what we want and enjoy long tenures in office or ignore us and expect to see a lot of independent candidates in their ousted wake.

Frankly I see no reason in abandoning democrats, especially now that investigations and oversight are finally taking hold and when we are so close to completely removing the neocons. We do need to be aware of the blue dogs and republicrats and treat them accordingly(by removing them from office). But if we abandon what we have fought so hard to regain we will never make things better, only worse.

There will always be big interests involved in politics. They are an entrenched part of our society. Beyond genuine campaign finance reform, the best way to damper them is by doing what our forefathers did in the past. Regulate the major corporations and ban monopolies. Teddy Roosevelt did it. Franklin Roosevelt did it so there is no reason why a John Edwards can’t do it either. The way to do this is to support the candidates who will go to bat for us and abandon those who won’t. The end is not here yet but it will be if we capitulate to the republicans by denouncing all of the democrats. The republicans would like nothing better.

And the numbers dwindle...next stop hopefully will be some housecleaning at the State Department!

http://chernyquips.blogspot.com/

97581 by TAO Walker,

Thanks TAO,

I enjoyed this post. Lots of words of wisdom here.

blueshift (#97467) is maybe a little over-optimistic in her/his assessment of the real state-of-play here, “....not yet in Gitmo...."-wise.  The rogue regime on the Potomac, along with its secretive sponsors, are pleased to let blueshift and others here vent all they want.  Not only does that keep “credible” the illusion of liberty, it presents no threat whatsoever to their ongoing criminal enterprise.

“Political action” is equally incapable of interfering with the global gangbang, since the pyramid scheme set-up guarantees that the principals will remain untouchable, even if their “enforcers” in government and their street-level “dealers” in business take an occasional hit.  SamSnedegar (#97452) points this out most economically.

Some may see open revolt, armed and/or “peaceful,” as the pass to which things have come at last, here in these latter days.  It might be briefly exciting, and even result in a little temporary relief from the more blatant forms of institutionalized repression and degradation.  It would fail dismally, however, to do anything at all about what it is that actually ails the domesticated Two-Legged peoples....the “civilized” condition their condition is in itself.

Human Beings sooner or later sicken, and die miserably, in captivity.  So, of course, do all our free wild relatives who’re subjected to to it.  The tormentors who’ve established this death-cult system, for their own exclusive benefit, are well aware of its actual effects on our Living Arrangement here.  Just like their co-opted human agents, however, they imagine theirownselves immune to the “negative” consequences of their behavior.

Granted that’s a damned-fools’ bet, no matter how high-up in the make-believe pecking-order one thinks oneself to be.  Anybody laying it down will certainly get the “pay-off” they deserve....and likely much sooner than later.

Meantime, “ordinary” people would be wise to look to Life Herownself for the Way out of this contraption so many of ‘em seem so convinced is all there is.  It is in our natural organic Human form, what the Lakotas call “tiyoshpaye,” that our deliverance from captivity and abusive exploitation is found....and nowhere else.  There are no institutional or technological means for recovering our free wild Human nature.  Only by getting back together in Her Song ‘n’ Dance will the Two-Legged Nations find themselves once again setting-up their lodges within The Great Hoop of Life.

Everywhere else is just another virtual world-of-hurt....just like this “global economy,” but with slightly different stage decorations.  No one can actually live there, and it’s an increasingly terrible place even to “visit,” as its ongoing rule-of-fear once again metasticizes into yet another outright reign-of-terror.

You’re all “the Indians” now, Sisters and Brothers.  Why not make the best of it?

HokaHey!

It sure is unfortunate that the Democrats and liberal media (for that matter throw in the terroritst)did not allow Gonzales to do his job. I guess we should keep our mouths shut and allow this inept so-called president to allow his cronies to do their job.

The media sure did a good job mentioning Gonzales’ upbringing after his resignation. Apparently, the media considers Gonzales’ biographical background as more significant than his acutal performance as Attorney General.

Sorry, “w” for not allowing you to keep an incompetent member of your staff.

Question to “w”: Why does it seem that every time one of your cronies is in trouble, that they fail to resign in a timely manner? Is it because your pouting and you do not get your way? Every cronie seems to resign, but only after months of pressure.

Let me reiterate, my hat goes off to John Conyers for promoting the idea of impeachment but regardless as to whether or not they still have time, they need to go ahead with the proceedings anyway, even in absentia.

My hat goes off to John Conyers
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=07/08/28/1526245

97494 Well Forest in a fair, just and honest democratic society that is exactly what should happen.

97515 Purplewolf I agree. The fact that Ashcroft had the courage to not legalize Bush’s illegal domestic spying plan shows that even some members of his own entourage realize he has gone too far! Now if only congress would utilize the same tenacity, do its job, then this house of cards will inevitably tumble.

When Bush recently eulogized his ideological twin and partner in crime, Alberto Gonzales, he unashamedly displayed to the world exactly what slime-pit he’s coming from.  Bush condones torture, the disregard of Habeus Corpus and the American rights of privacy as guaranteed by the Constitution, government spying on private emails and telephone conversations and the disregard of international treaties co-signed by the U.S. such as the Geneva Conventions which Gonzo referred to as “quaint”.

#97488 Michael Shaw:
Back in the 70’s I worked in a nursing home. One of my patients told me: Never plan anything, as things never work out as you planned.” After many years I found this to be very true. We all know the Cheney, Rice, Rumsfield and others in the bush bunch were laying out plans to control the world as they want it plan. Well maybe, just maybe things are not going according to their plans.

“Good name? Dragged thru the mud? I always associated someones “good name “ to mean an honest, upstanding, and forthright person, someone with integrity. None of these qualities apply to Speedless Gonzales. Nor Bush or any of his Bunch.

Everything that was done during his stint in the justice department should be overturned and rolled back to the time before he was handed this fluffy job and bring back the rights of the people, laws of this nation that were twisted or eliminated, and every other thing he did to discredit America in the eyes of the world.

The president needs to be held accountable for the war crimes he and his goons have commited and the 1996 War Crimes Act needs to be upheld as it orginally was to include the president, as it once did. A job title should not be allowed to give carte blache to this rogue administration as it had in the past. We all see the damage it has done in the last few years. Only by making the “runaway from the law president” and his goons responsible for all the damages they have done is to uphold the War Crime Act.To start with.

What a little weasel, thats about all I have to say about Gonzales.

97487

Michael Bolden,

I remember after 9/11, I was listening to the Pete Wilson radio talk show and they were asking the same question. Is torture justifiable? The fact they were airing such a debate in the first place I immediately found questionable. It was probably the most disturbing broadcast I’ve ever listened too, especially when a former Contra, now residing in the US was all for the idea. This of course occurred just prior to Gonzales making torture legal.

In lieu of the Bill Moyer’s documentary, “Selling the War” where the White house leaked a story about WMD’s to the Times then went on talk shows and used their own leak as proof there were WMD’s and a reason to war on Iraq, I see this torture debate in the same light, as a method in justifying what they damn well intended to do all along.

I’ll admit Bush is the front behind Dick Cheney. But anyone who thinks for one moment he doesn’t know what he is doing are kidding themselves. That good old boy dyslexic charm of his is a front and the Project for a New American Century was hatched during his father’s presidency. I see everything transpiring here as a well laid out plan, a plan that Bush is a part of. No he didn’t invent it and no he doesn’t have a clue about foreign or domestic policy but he is as complicit as any of the current players and knows damn well what he is doing.

This new culture of torture is morally repugnant to the ideals of a free society.

Whether it’s effective or not doesn’t matter, either.  It’s disgusting and wrong on so many levels that it’s hard to imagine that our “leaders” are engaging in it.

On top of it, there’s nothing in the Constitution, whatsoever, that allows the government to do this.....period.

That’s my rant.  Read on if you’d like:

“Should the US Military Be Allowed to Use Torture?”
http://www.populistamerica.com/should_the_u_s__militar y_be_allowed_to_use_torture

The sad part in all of this is even after knowing all the despicable acts Gonzales has enabled, there are still not enough votes to impeach this tyrant and hold him and his evil dwarf accountable for crimes against humanity.

I never thought I’d say this but I was glad at least to see Robert Mueller interceding for Ashcroft. I heard him speak and I saw him debate Nadine Strossen at an ACLU Convention where he was arguing in favor of the Patriot Act. When Strossen asked him if he thought these new powers would be abused, he said not to worry which made me an instant skeptic. But later on he did come clean and admit at least mistakes had been made. That tells me there is some decency in the man. At least we know he isn’t as ruthless as Bush and Gonzales.

Ashcroft really surprised me. The man who draped the breasts of lady justice actually opposed illegal domestic spying! One might actually call his hospital bed defiance as an act in courage.

the reason for impeachment is to prevent any more progress toward the totalitarianism that is where the trendline leads. (No, we are not totalitarian yet, as evidenced by the fact that I am not yet in Gitmo for what I think - and write- about this administration.)

Impeachment would shine light in the dark corners of this administration, but that presupposes that the men and women of the current Congress has some candlepower with which to generate some light. On that subject, there seems little hope.

Oh, Scheer has it wrong all right. Neither Gonzo nor his moronic boss have the gumption to understand what they are being manipulated into doing, and I doubt that either of them even knows who is actually in charge of their supposed government.

Cheney probably knows, because he set up his “undisclosed location” just so he could get the orders with no one the wiser about who called and from where. Rove may have known, though it’s possible he didn’t and Cheney relayed any orders on to the political boss man.

This is what happens when the media fall down and play dead. First, one must recognize that neither Bush nor Gonzales have the mentality or talent for leading as much as a boy scout troop. Bush is a certified moron; Gonzales is a fool.

Given that, someone ought to be looking into finding the creators of this present totalitarian state with manipulated puppets like the smirking chimpanzee and his itty bitty buddy from Tejas.

Let me again repeat my mantra:
(1) It’s about oil, and
(2) Bush is a moron.

If you forget either of those verities and pretend that oil doesn’t matter, or that the moron living in the white house could in his wildest dreams ever actually FUNCTION as a president of ANY organization including a PTA chapter, then you are living in the same fantasy world with Gonzo and the nose picker (or wind breaker) in chief.

Now is the time to begin the impeachment of George Bush. Not because it will get him out of office any sooner, or because it would get us out of Iraq any sooner. The reason to do it now is to show the American public what a gang of crooks this crowd is and to total discredit them. That will kill their collective political futures and hopefully we (and the rest of the world’s citizens) will not have to suffer from their machinations in the future.

Come on Nancy get the ball rolling - not a moment to loose!

Gee, organ failure. Is that the dividing line for torture?  Did Mr. Bybee work for the insurance companies prior to his appoinment?

Mr. Scheer, why I believe you have it all wrong..You liberals and your woosie ways.  Obviously to any SELF-RESPECTING FASICT Alberto had an IMPLECCABLY GOOD NAME!