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Bridging the Democratic DividePosted on Aug 24, 2007
Once the war is over, liberals will face the messy and so-far insoluble matters of race, class and the poor. I’m not predicting peace, or some approximation of it, soon. It’s unlikely the war will end quickly, even if the Democrats win the presidency. At the Democratic debate on ABC Aug. 19, New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson talked about removing all of our troops in six to eight months. John Edwards promised nine or 10 months. Sen. Joseph Biden said withdrawal would be long and complicated, made difficult by concerns over the safety of troops, preservation of equipment and responsibility for contractors and other civilians. Sens. Hillary Clinton and Barak Obama agreed with Biden. Don’t ask me exactly what Mike Gravel and Rep. Dennis Kucinich said. Moderator George Stephanopolous gave prime time to the front-runners. Even though Kucinich said he had prayed to God that Stephanopolous would call on him, the Lord made the congressman wait a considerable time. But eventually, if a Democrat is elected president, we can count on the war dragging to a messy, painful conclusion. As Edwards said, “Any Democratic president will end the war.” Opposition to the war has unified the Democrats. It was the most important issue in the Democratic takeover of the Senate and House last year. The war will loom at least as large in next year’s presidential and congressional races. But the Democrats have to start planning their postwar strategy now. For if they win the election and stop the war, they will immediately be confronted with domestic issues that have no Democratic consensus, issues in which debate is charged with deep feelings about national, ethnic and racial identity. The ideological split among Democrats was revealed in a poll taken in March by The Pew Research Center for the People & The Press. The survey found that 45 percent of Democrats and independents who lean Democratic say they are ideologically moderate, compared with 31 percent who say they are liberal. In Oklahoma, Alabama and Arkansas, conservative Democrats outnumber liberals. In Georgia, North Carolina, Texas and Missouri, there is a roughly even split. One manifestation of this division seemed to come out in the national debate over the failed immigration bill. The bill’s main feature was to offer illegal immigrants a long and difficult path to citizenship, a far cry from the amnesty that its opponents feared. Democrats and Republicans killed the bill for a variety of reasons. But whatever their reasons for opposing the measure—introduced by Democrat Ted Kennedy and Republican John McCain—the ambivalent feelings of many Democrats toward immigrants played a part. The Pew poll showed a certain Democratic hostility toward immigrants. About half of Democrats who consider themselves moderate believe that the growing number of immigrants endangers American customs. Last year’s immigrant rights marches, in which some demonstrators carried Mexican flags, intensified the hostility. I got a taste of it earlier this year when I wrote a piece for Truthdig supporting the bill. I was surprised by the large number of critical comments, some of them noteworthy for their toxic attitude toward immigrants. The issue will come up again. The Bush administration’s surprise raids on workplaces certainly aren’t a cure. Neither is building a border fence—nor sending immigration agents to arrest people like Elvira Arellano, an illegal immigrant and mother of an 8-year-old who is a citizen because he was born in the United States. She took sanctuary in a Chicago church and then was arrested in Los Angeles, where she had gone to speak about immigration reform. When Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa discussed Arellano’s deportation to Mexico, he foreshadowed the expected demands of pro-immigrant members of Congress. “Until we resolve the status of the estimated 12 million undocumented people living and working in the United States by giving them some meaningful pathway to citizenship, families will continue to be torn apart,” he said. African-Americans as well as Latinos will press for ways for the poor of their community to move up the economic ladder. It won’t be easy. A total of 42 percent of Democrats disagreed with this statement in the Pew poll: “We should make every possible effort to improve the position of blacks and other minorities even if it means giving them preferential treatment.” And 35 percent of Democrats said the nation has gone too far in pressing for equal rights. Then there’s an unscientific but powerful measure of public opinion—comments on the Internet and talk radio and in interviews on the street and in bars, malls and coffee shops. This is especially noticeable when there has been a news event with racial implications. Then the national divide is clear. I saw that when I was covering the O.J. Simpson trial for the Los Angeles Times a decade ago, answering questions in our early-day online chat room, talking to readers on the phone and interviewing blacks and whites. Comments were so divided by race that I didn’t see how we’d ever come together. The same sort of reaction on sports talk radio and in chat rooms has been provoked by the story of Michael Vick, the African-American quarterback who announced he will plead guilty to federal dog fighting charges. It will take great leadership and guts for a Democratic president and Congress to find its way through the party’s divided base. But there’s hope if the Democrats propose and push through a national health insurance program first thing in 2009. A national health insurance program would reach across the racial divide. True, it won’t be a panacea. Great Britain’s national healthcare hasn’t prevented that country’s increasing racial tensions. But medical care and health would improve in this country, and so would the quality of life. A healthy kid from a poor family has a much better chance of doing well in school than a sickly one who has suffered from scanty care in emergency wards. A healthy kid has a better chance of graduating from high school and college, the best path in America for equality. The Democrats pretty much agree on medical care. All they have to do is beat the insurance and drug companies. That may prove easier than smoothing over the great divide on emotional issues that touch on race and ethnicity.
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By GodSend, August 29, 2007 at 11:15 am #
The greatest enemy of Israel (and humanity) is ZIONISM! It must be utterly rooted out and destroyed before Israel can be restored to its former glory and position of enlightenment for the rest of the world.
Report thisBy GodSend, August 29, 2007 at 10:48 am #
That slogan could be abbreviated to:
“NEVER AGAIN!”
Report thisBy GodSend, August 29, 2007 at 10:46 am #
Here’s a catchy slogan for the 2008 election:
“No more American blood and treasure for Zionist Israel!”
Report thisBy GodSend, August 29, 2007 at 10:43 am #
The greatest enemy of America (and humanity) is ZIONISM! It must be utterly rooted out and destroyed before America can be restored to its former glory and position of enlightenment for the rest of the world!
Report thisBy GodSend, August 29, 2007 at 10:07 am #
Let’s remember one thing: If we throw out all the pro-Israel (Zionist) politicians in 2008 and replace them with a new set of pro-Israel politicians, what have we gained? NOTHING! The new set will get America into new Israeli wars and throw more billions at them to finance their crimes against humanity (and the goyim of the ME). We need to elect politicians who put America and its legal residents 1st, 2nd and 3rd when it comes to enacting legislation. That eliminates ANY pro-Israel candidates! If they receive $$$ from Israel, the ‘Israel Lobby’ or members of the ‘Jewish Billionaires Club’ in America, they’re on the ‘Blacklist’! That eliminates ALL leading Democratic candidates as of now, especially Clinton and Obama - ALL those who pay homage to the Rogue and Criminal State of Israel and its agents in America (Lieberman, McCain and the other AIPAC-loving traitors).
Report thisBy Marshall, August 28, 2007 at 10:23 pm #
#97301 by Skruff on 8/28 at 10:30 am
Amen, Skruff. The word “illegal” seems to mean “welcomed” in some circles these days.
Report thisBy Skruff, August 28, 2007 at 10:30 am #
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I’m tired of being labeled “racist” and “Xenophobic” because I do not want 12 to 20 million illegal aliens in these United States.
Unlike the depiction in this story I am NOT anti Immigrant. My Paternal Grandmother entered this country from Sweden after waiting ten years. My grandfather paid her passage as a housemaid, but she didn’t work out as a maid so he married her. My Maternal Grandmother entered this country from Germany just ahead of Hitler’s take-over. My Great Grandfather brought a shovel with him from Austria, because he thought all the shovels in this country would be in use, and he didn’t want to have that block his quest for work.
I’ve adopted a son from Guatemala, and have fostered children of Mexican, Chilean, and Cuban decent.
These children who are my responsibility have the right to decent paying jobs and security. The illegal alien population serves to break unions, lower (already low / stagnant for ten years) wages, and put a strain on our health care and social service systems.
It is a one issue vote for me… I will not vote for anyone who wants to flood this nation with cheap labor.. NO ONE!!!
Report thisBy April, August 28, 2007 at 9:50 am #
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I agree that the debates are more for the media. I, and the rest of the country, want to hear what the democratic candidates are going to do for us. What about issues such as health care, education, immigration, and affirmative action??? Check out what Global Grind has to say about this on their myspace page.
Report thisBy Tom Semioli, August 27, 2007 at 12:59 pm #
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War is good business and the Democrats know it. Health care? If it ain’t HR 676, well, it’ll be business as usual for the insurance companies. Illegal immigration? No change. Elections are beauty contests…
Report thisBy Mudwollow, August 27, 2007 at 10:58 am #
Bait and switch on steroids.
It’s been a fun ride hasn’t it Dick. It sure has George. Boy we ran this baby into the ground didn’t we. We sure as hell did. We bent the frame, trashed the transmission, bent the hell out of the tie rod, ran her out of oil and she’s only got fumes left for gas. We sideswiped anything we could come close to and pissed everyone off in the process. We pretty much vandalized this vehicle to the max and are returning it an undrivable derelictpile pile of crap that’s ready for the scrapheap. It’s been a fun ride Dick, our work here is done.
Report thisBy hazmaq, August 27, 2007 at 9:57 am #
Brian Lamb and C-span need to be brought to accountability here as well. They’ve contributed to this imbalance through their own cherry picking of facts and stories.
Right now, C-span1 one may as well be called C-span-AEI. Every damn word out of the right-wing mouths of The American Enterprise Institute is aired live as it happens, repeatedly. Even old AEI shows are used as filler whenever Lamb needs to bolster a pro-Bush position.
The Left is sent to C-span3. unavailable to 99% of the public, Mr. Lamb airs the majority of the Left’s hearings, forums and think tank reports. And then, like 1 and 2 ,just a few crumbs. Rarely ever an entire forum.
A few quick examples of Lamb’s ‘balanced programming’:
1. Bringing Michelle Malkin on Washington Journal with her new book bashing Democrats who hate Veterans…..on Memorial Day, in an election year, in a time of war.
2. During Kerry’s run for President, Lamb aired Swift Boat quack John O’Neill’s full, live and direct bookstore rant, with anti-Kerry audience member questions, about his new book Unfit for Command.
And what was Lamb’s idea of ‘equal time’? An older Book TV interview where he, Lamb, sat down with Douglas Brinkley to discuss his, Brinkley’s, new book about John Kerry, ‘Tour of Duty’.
If that ain’t Fox and Bush style bias I don’t know what is.
The current crop of Congressional Democrats have LET the country fall into the hands of very un-democratic special interests. Solely because they were too afraid to speak out. Or when they did open their mouths, nothing came out:
Harry Reid, this morning:
“...We’re going to get to the bottom of this.”
Good Job Harry! Plant a f$#@ing flag!
18% approval is about as close to the bottom as anyone’e ever been.
I urge everyone: Vote OUT—ALL INCUMBANTS!
Report thisBy purplewolf, August 27, 2007 at 9:05 am #
Bush: Stolen election 2000: handed to him by brother & friends
Bush: Stolen election 2004: added non-existant voters in Ohio
Bush: Stolen election 2008: turned America into a dictatorship
the biggest embasy in the world is being built in Irag. doesn’t that tell you something? we aren’t leaving!
Report thisBy SamSnedegar, August 27, 2007 at 6:31 am #
Felicity sez: “...the notion that perhaps our two-party system needs to become a two-plus-party system…”
No, our totalitarian government needs to become a democracy once more. I frankly don’t think we need to worry about a two-party system when the Bushitter gang of thugs plan to keep control of the system in Washington in the same way they intend to keep Iraq under their thumbs.
They didn’t go to all that trouble of invading and occupying Iraq only to leave all that oil to some other countries and walk away, and they didn’t go to all that trouble to destroy democracy in favor of a totalitarian dictatorship only to walk away and let some bunch of pinko dimocraps take over their fun house on Pennsylvania Ave.
I don’t think an election will do for them unless they do all the counting (a la Stalin), and have a guaranteed outcome. When this kind of corruption took over Pakistan, they had to have a military coup to recover; this might turn out to be the same kind of thing, with the generals choosing one of their own to run things while the rest try to right the ship.
And there is the ever present oil that no one wants to discuss . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Report thisBy RAE, August 26, 2007 at 4:45 pm #
waxman (#96763)...”...HANNITY IS AS CLOSE TO BEING AN ANTI-CRIST AS YOU WILL EVER SEE..”
And what’s wrong with that?
You’re not suggesting having a “anti-Crist (sic)” run things for a while could POSSIBLY MAKE A WORSE MESS OF THIS WORLD THAN THE ORGINAL’S LEGACY?
I’d go so far as to strongly suggest that a MAJOR percentage of the fault for the mess this world is in can be laid DIRECTLY at the feet of a guy named JESUS CHRIST OF NAZARETH.
“He” may not have intended this world-wide screwup his followers have managed in his name, but, for me, the mess CONFIRMS one thing - no omniscient, omnipresent “God” in his right mind would have allowed this to happen… therefore, there ain’t no God - at least one in his right mind.
Only genetic Republicans can’t see the obvious.
Report thisBy DennisD, August 26, 2007 at 8:56 am #
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#96978 by PatrickHenry on 8/26 at 7:13 am
I agree. The reasons should be obvious for the low voter turn out in any of our country’s recent elections; no one really thinks anything will change. Those benefiting from it are happy with that thought while most of us are disgusted by it.
The latest group of con-didates from either party are just Madison Ave.‘s latest try to sell the same re-packaged crap to a cynical American public. In an attempt to show diversity they’ve now added a different race and gender to the usual rich white guy list of those hoping to bilk the American public for the next 4 or 8 years in the name of their corporate benefactors.
The real pity is that they will tell you that a vote for a third or fourth party is wasted - bullshit. The real wasted vote is the one cast to keep this con job of America going. Spraying a new coat of red or blue paint put on the same broken down car every election cycle and selling it as new is pretty pathetic. Seeing the voting public at large buy into this crap year after year is sad.
Report thisBy Dr. Knowitall, PhD, PhD, August 26, 2007 at 8:31 am #
Recanicratodemlipubs.
Report thisBy PatrickHenry, August 26, 2007 at 7:13 am #
Kucinich and Gravel vs. Ron Paul and Huckabee.
I could respect all of these guys and would be happy with the winner.
This country needs a new direction and somebody to turn the status quo on its ear.
Report thisBy Dr. Knowitall, PhD, PhD, August 26, 2007 at 4:32 am #
Canpublicratersdemo?
Report thisBy Outraged, August 26, 2007 at 1:15 am #
RE: #96932 by purplewolf on 8/25 at 6:59 pm
Wow, you’re really just plain rude. Did you have a point?
Report thisBy purplewolf, August 25, 2007 at 6:59 pm #
Hillary and her corral of manwhores.
Hey Hillary, that suit makes your ass look bigger. And you aren’t getting enough rest as your makeup artist cannot hide those baggy pouches under your eyes, and the blank stare you have in the camera, you need your sleep girl. The election is 15 months away, at this rate you won’t be around having worn yourself out. On the bright side, maybe with all these idiots running in this, probably obsolete race by the time Nov 4 2008 does get here, none of them will be around having run themselves down with exhaustion that it will take decades for them to recover.There will be no need to have a replacement group to run for president as Weedboy and Dicko will have already declared Martial Law long before Nov 4 2008 arrives.
Report thisAt one time before all these people started this I thought about possibly voting for Hillary, but the more I hear her my doubts keep getting bigger.
By ProUnionProLabor, August 25, 2007 at 4:06 pm #
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I would like to remind all of us that we are a multiple party system. Problem is no coverage of those canidates due to MONEY. Having said that,why has major media decided that the candidates should be Hil, Barak, and J.E. Seems the other candidates haven’t had or will receive a fair shake. My personal choice happens to be NONE of these three. But no one gets to hear their message without doing online (or other source) research because they don’t receive fair treatment. The media moguls tell us “it’s the polls that tell us who’s leading”. But the reason is the public is ONLY hearing about the three front runners. Hell of a way for a democratic society to make “an informed choice”.
Report thisBy Louise, August 25, 2007 at 3:18 pm #
Hi diogenes! (#96819)
Of course you are correct, sorta.
Neither’s aint, but I say that too. But irrespective of folks worries with what’s right and what’s wrong and what’s the difference anyway, and regardless of impending potential visit from English language police, I like saying the non-word
irregardless, ‘cause it feels good.
Is that weird or what?
Must be why it’s loved so in early 20th century prose.
While the word may be seen by many as a ‘not’ word, it is nonetheless firmly placed in most dictionaries, sometimes with a sorta [there I go again] disclaimer, but defined as a word all the same. A word that has problems [don’t we all] but a word.
Every now and again I’ll commit a grammatical ‘oopsie’ and someone will point it out.
I usually explain it by saying, “Oh, that’s Olde English!” And people accept that.
But you are far to smart for me to pull that one, so I’ll just call it, “Olde American lexicon. [Hee-hee]
Playing with words is fun, don’tcha think?
Anyhow, thanks for pointing that out
Hi G.Anderson! (#96793)
Ya know what I’d like to see?
Next time, all the guys show up in black tux and Hillary in a long flowing white dress.
Now that would be funny!
‘Course that wont happen. But I would like to see Hillary in a dress, or at least a long skirt.
Whoever told her that jacket cut is flattering certainly did her no favor.
I’ve heard tell getting Hillary to pay attention to things like hairdo’s, makeup and clothes is a real chore. Some things are just not seen as important by her, that being one ... Oops ... I guess three.
Report thisI think that’s the one [possibly only] thing I really like about her.
By purplewolf, August 25, 2007 at 1:03 pm #
#96769 Dr.Knowitall,PhD,PhD
redemopublicrats- defined to mean:redemo-to demonstrate or show something again, repeat:public-open to everyone:rats-a rodent related to mice- so they are showing themselves to the public over and over again what a bunch of rats they really are.
Repukeacraps comes to mind.
Report thisBy Dr. Nonothingatall, Phud, August 25, 2007 at 6:53 am #
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#96769 by Dr. Knowitall, PhD, PhD on 8/24 at 7:56 pm
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Redemopublicrats. Cratorepublicadems. Demorecanicratpubs. Publicratredemoans.
Hard to pronounce, but I like it. Good on ya!
Report thisBy diogenes, August 25, 2007 at 4:49 am #
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Somebody please tell Louise that “irregardless” isn’t a word…great post though…as usual.
Report thisBy Outraged, August 25, 2007 at 12:46 am #
I think they all look like their on Romney’s team including Clinton. Yuck.
It certainly doesn’t give the impression that they’re the party for CHANGE.
There’s a poll that you can take in the first paragraph of this blog on KOS, interesting to see who’s winning when only at the issues are addressed.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/8/24/1314/60674
Of course, you know these things only work when the candidates actually DO what they say they’re going to do. So, all you have to do then is figure out who you think is lying the LEAST. I’d like to see that poll!
Report thisBy G.Anderson, August 24, 2007 at 11:54 pm #
What I noticed is that everyone was wearing some sort of dark suit. There were a mixture of Ties, a few red a blue one a green one.
Then there was Hillary on the end in a brown pantsuit, and I wondred how would she look in a dark pantsuit?
They’ve all been carefully homogonized by their handlers, and they all say just about the same thing, their all being so careful about what they say.
Id’ like to see one in a Hawaiian shirt, in flip flops listening to an IPOD. Someone whose not a bridegoom on top of a wedding cake.
And that’s the sickness of America right now, we’ve become a nation of fast food and convience stores, that are the exact same store, whether its Miami or Seattle, no imagination, no vision just the least common demoninator.
Report thisBy P. T., August 24, 2007 at 11:31 pm #
The Democratic establishment has an immigration problem because large numbers of Democratic voters know there is an inherent contradiction between raising the wages of low income natives and increasing the supply of low income immigrants.
The divided families issue is phony. Deported illegals can take their kids with them if they want them.
Report thisBy GW=MCHammered, August 24, 2007 at 10:40 pm #
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Speaking of bridges, do the Dems even listen? We know the el’ePhants don’t: http://www.asce.org/asce.cfm
Tired of show, we want go.
Report thisBy Dr. Knowitall, PhD, PhD, August 24, 2007 at 7:56 pm #
Redemopublicrats. Cratorepublicadems. Demorecanicratpubs. Publicratredemoans.
Report thisBy Louise, August 24, 2007 at 7:56 pm #
Call me a spoil-sport, but it seems to me the habit of shaping the debate by the media ... even those who tend to agree with “liberal” views is a big part of the problem. The media decides ... the candidates listen ... the voters scratch their heads.
And those polls? My goodness they ask questions that require answers that feed into a preconceived notion! We never hear the real thoughts of America!
How many times have any of you left a “debate” feeling like you just had your dinner snatched away before you got a fork-full? We are all still waiting for the right questions forcing the candidates to learn the right answers!
Duh ...
We need single-payer health care. I hope the dems are not foolish enough to waste precious time trying to give the nation what it needs while keeping the Insurance and drug industry happy. Because if that’s the plan they are doomed to fail.
Irregardless, what happens next year and the next will be largely in reaction to a collapsing economy.
The war will still be there, draining what’s left of our precious resources. And the nation will still be sick and getting sicker.
Having proven to my satisfaction that few [if any] candidates can really remember Vietnam, the decision for action in Iraq will be over-ridden by inaction until finally, leaving will come down to the kind of scrambling and chaos we saw then.
Then, the reality of growing numbers of homeless and unemployed. The very real prospect of food shortages on top of the declining purchasing power of the dollar, will finally bring millions to their feet. When people are hungry, it doesn’t matter what color they are! What the candidates need to be thinking about is how they’re going to prevent a complete collapse. Republican power for so many years almost certainly guarantees it’s coming.
Report thisBy waxman, August 24, 2007 at 6:42 pm #
our problem is listening to
Report thistalk radio… rush, sean hannity, SEAN HANNITY, SEAN HANNITY, MARK LEVINE ARE SO FULL OF CRAP RUSH, SEAN HANNITY ARE NOT FORMALLY EDUCATED AT ALL…..RUSH ONE SEMESTER OF COLLEGE, HANNITY ASSOCIATES DEGREE BY MAIL ORDER AT AGE OF 32 OR SO ..... GIVE ME A BREAK,,, THEY DECIDE YOUR LIFE????? TAKE A GOOD LOOK PLEASE BEFORE YOU VOTE… HANNITY IS AS CLOSE TO BEING AN ANTI-CRIST AS YOU WILL EVER SEE…...
By felicity, August 24, 2007 at 2:45 pm #
Reading your interesting article I am left with the notion that perhaps our two-party system needs to become a two-plus-party system.
When the registered voters of a party are all over the map on a particular issue, Congress seems to let a bill dealing with it die in committee - or they gum it up, tone it down, add and substract, whatever it takes to pass it so that what ends up getting voted on is basically meaningless because it effects nothing substantial. The result is basically no result.
How long has it been since we’ve had a do-something-Congress vs. a do-nothing-Congress? Trying to satisy everybody, you end up satisfying nobody.
Triangulation may be the new kid on the block when it comes to winning a presidency, but ‘triangulating’ to keep a seat in Congress results in stasis and the American people end up, as usual at the end of a big so-what.
Legislators representing a less diversified constituency would get a lot more done and that can only happen if we narrow the preference range of their constituencies - goodbye two party system.
Now if somebody could just convince at least the insurance industry that its time in the health care business must go the way of hitching posts.
Report thisBy Margaret Currey, August 24, 2007 at 2:43 pm #
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The person who talks the best about policy is John Edwards, he is very persentable and if talk can make a president, John is the man.
Report thisBy GodSend, August 24, 2007 at 2:27 pm #
Nothing bridges the Democratic Divide more effectively than Zionism! It also bridges the Republican and Independent Divides! That leaves the interests of America and Americans falling into the bloody water below!
Report thisBy PatrickHenry, August 24, 2007 at 2:19 pm #
Until we get the lobbies out of campaign financing and give each of the candidates their own public TV cable channel where they can espouse their views 24/7, we will be manipulated by the corporate controlled media and their tax deductable financing.
Our candidates will be only then be able to act for the best interest of the majority.
Report thisBy Emily Anne, August 24, 2007 at 1:25 pm #
The so-called “debates” and other campaign activities are of little value to anyone other than those involved with the media, which is making huge profits on them. We’re so far away from the 2008 election that I suspect that by the time it takes place, if we’re not already bored to tears, we’ll aso worn out we won’t care who wins. The state parties stumbling over themselves to be first in the primaries is yet another sad, meaningless joke on the electoral process. But then, I suppose the Democrats are so utterly stupid they can’t figure out what to do anyway, no matter how much time they’re given.
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