RE:#95460 by THOMAS BILLIS on 8/16 at 11:05 am
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Mr Billis
Yes, the ones who voted for the Shrub bear a large measure of the blame. Too many of them saw only sound bites and photo ops and based their decision on that alone.
Der Karl knew he had a loser for a candidate and played the process accordingly. Shrub concentrated on the states will the larger Electoral College votes. That is what got him the first time. The Electoral College.
Were it not for that outmoded institution, Al Gore would have been sworn in, as he won the popular vote.
In ‘04, knowing that they had to avoid another Supreme Court ruling, they contacted Diebold.
Diebolds’ President sent the Shrub a letter assuring him that he would carry Ohio. And thanks to the magic voting machines supplied by Diebold, he won.
Diebold tried to sell the magic machine but couldn’t keep the buyer drunk enough to sign. So it has been renamed Premier Voting Machine, a division of Diebold.
But Der Karls’ dirty tricks, outright lies and the Republican’s desire to believe those lies were a big help in putting and keeping the most clueless President in history in office.

Cyrena is right to a certain extent. We have always had what you might call irregularities with our elections. However, never have we had such a concerted, organized effort to steal elections. Every detail was considered by Rove and associates to make sure of success: Unlimited money (reminiscent of Nixon), rabid neocon operatives (the Straussian strain), well-funded think tanks, a self-deceived, mediocre, entitled, narcissistic entity with some charisma, media control and ruthless followers. With 9/11 it all came together.

Thomas, the 2006 election doesn’t seem to illustrate accurately that “you get the government you deserve,” but, rather, that egomaniacal powermongers can do anything they want to do once they gain the upper hand and peons like us are, at most, chopped liver.

#95511 Cyrena:

If you get a chance to watch the movie “Hacking Democracy” it shows exactly,or fairly close as to how the weed and gang cheated in 2004 again to steal the leadership? of this country.I believe it was shown on the Sundance or the IFC-independant film channel. They also show how the woman who questioned if the voting machines could be hacked, and the hassellies etc, the companies who make these machinesgave her. She also found thru some work a person who was able to show how to hack and alter the votes,and in some states including New Mexico, the votes that went into the machines for Kerry were magically turned into votes for the weed. He cannot achiee anything honestly by himself. He still has to cheat, lie, steal, and keep changing the rules until he thinks he has won. What a poor example he is for a person let alone the person who represents the people of this country to the rest of the world.

On your other letter about the job thing. I used to sell to the public and traveled on weekendsto a 5 state area and sell things I would make besides working for 3 different nursing companies. Before weed I could make as much money on the road in 45 days-about 36 actual sale days- as I make working the other 320 days a year for all the other companies combined.Those were about 120 hours per week-one job was a night 12 hour shift at less than minimum wage, however I was able to sleep if need be and I made almost everything I sold on the road while at that job. I never took a day off or vacation time.I also had no medical insurance from any company. Since weed, I have no business left to speak of as too many of the customers of the past can barely get by now that our “booming economy’ which weed claims to have given us is here.My sales are down over 95% and it is considered to be a hobby now according to my tax person, as I cannot claim a loss that the last 6 1/2 years.In the words of the Queen,"we are not amused.”

The “Genius” of Karl Rove - A Dilemma for Republican Parents
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Whatever do arch Republicans teach their children if they equate a modality of choreographed synchronistic lying as genius.
If they so exalt lock-step power point lying as a preferred methodology to win and keep personal power, to what end would they teach their children that lying in pursuit of gain is inappropriate behavior?

THOMAS BILLIS writes:

These people did not seize power they were elected.We as Americans are complicit in everything these people did.To blame Rove instead of ourselves is the easy way out.
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I agree that we as Americans need to take some responsibilty for understanding how our government functions.

On the other hand, I don’t think it’s quite fair to say that these thugs did not seize power, but were “elected”, because that isn’t so. They DID “seize power” in The Coup of 2000, and once they did that, they were able to blackmail and extort the American public into going along with them, as a result of the need for “security”. 9-11 is what gave them the power, and while I agree that as Americans, we should never, ever have relinquished such power, that is in fact what happened.

To that extent, they DID “seize power”. I mean, the dictatorship of Iraq held routine elections as well, and each time, supposedly EVERYBODY “voted” for Saddam. (at least according to him). For 30 years...they “voted” for him. I think not, but that’s pretty much what we have here.

We may have gone through the motions of some elections, but we didn’t collectively put ANY of these thugs in office.

Permanently realigning American politics in the Republicans favor was unrealistic.  For one thing, the harebrained war on Iraq was doomed from the outset.  For another, the U.S. health care mess is not going away, and the Republicans offer no viable solution.

No “executive privilege” should be allowed to cover this traitorous scum from the political quadmire of the Crawford crew ranch.

For the person who thought that Drove is setting his sites on “Jab” in 2012 for prez. There will not be a country left by then to vote for this position as Weed wants to be the dictator now. Otherwise he will throw another temper tantrum and every noodle backed woosh will bow down to him and let him have his way, as always.

The mantra of: They hate us for our freedoms- I ask you WHAT FREEDOMS? 80% of the Bill of Rights is now destroyed by the Weed and Dicko, the Constitution has been shredded, more domestic spying all the time, I ask again what freedoms? Why anybody who can see that were are being stripped of all of our rights on a daily basis would want to come here is beyond me. I realize some countries are worse(better?) at this than we are, be we are catching up fast.Remember the grass always looks greener scenerio? Do you think that once all of our freedoms have been stolen by these goverment types we are stuck with now that all the “enemies we have now will love us then?

I hope that my daughter just keeps my grandcritters of the four legged variety as she and her husband have now,I would not like to see what the future would be for them if things keep going as they have the last 6 1/2 years.America as we all knew it no longer exists.Welcome to Gestapo Gardens by G.W.B.My son-in-law is a trucker out of Texas and blindly followed the Weed in the beginning, he doesn’t want to talk about what an inept job this group of “FRAT(rat) Boys have done to ruin this once great country that was known as America.Sure you can trust the goverment, ask any Indian.

Remember the ‘third rail’ of American domestic policy? The permanent republicanazi majority was thwarted primarily when he tried to kill Social Security. Even the good folks from Nebraska and Kansas understood he was reaching into their pockets. “Ownership America” as he called it, was a euphemism for theft on an unprecedented scale. The Katrina debacle was the proof that this was no government of, by, or for the people (except for people with an income below 7 figures).

They haven’t lost their majority over Iraq (you can’t slide a piece of paper between any of the major contenders’ positions on Iraq, no matter what party). They haven’t lost it over divisiveness, though that will make recovery for them a very difficult project.

They lost it because they tried an evil that every voter in America understood. They touched the live third rail, and got burned.

With Rove’s help the Bush administration used the examples of great religious leaders like faaallwell robertson John Calvin Hitler and others.  They practiced ostracism, patiot not a patriot, of the body not of the body. The use of guilt and fear are very powerful tools to use against the mystic mind, they knew this going in and it was all intensional and for profit.  Example, in the state state of the union address, one nonsquitor sentense, “I am going to double the size of the national oil reserve.” At the time the oil per barrel price was floating in the $52 to $55 range not good, if you are heavily invested in oil futures.  The price of oil futures immediately shot up and with the refineries all claiming maintenance shut downs, the pump price also shot up.  It is all about the money and they have no problems raping the country to get it.

...."Conservatives saw what happened to us on 9/11 and said: We will defeat our enemies. Liberals saw what happened to us and said: We must understand our enemies."…

In reality, what Karl didn’t get, (or wouldn’t acknowledge) is that this suggestion that “we must UNDERSTAND our enemies” wasn’t about giving them “therapy” or sympathy, or understanding, in the way that he so arrogantly and condescendingly suggests. RATHER, it was a very logical and pragmatic concept. In short, people like me just wanted to know, (from day one), WHY did they strike us?

THAT, is the only thing I’ve ever considered worth “understanding”. If they did this thing, this attack on our nation, then I’d like to know WHY? What’s their beef? What did we do to them? That’s what inquiring minds want to know. And when the shrub came up with his pre-scripted bullshit about them “hating our freedoms”, that only pissed us off that much more. Only a total retard could accept that as a rationale for the horrors of 9-11.

Paradoxically, it is those same retards who have willingly forfeited these freedoms, not to the “terrorists” but to the chief high-jacker himself, Dick Bush. And, that happened in November, 2000 as a result of that judicial coup. We’ve been losing those freedoms ever since, and it’s had nothing to do with bin Laden et al, aside from having used that attack as a reason for all Americans to “be afraid”, and thereby exchange their rights and liberties for a promise of “protection” against this enemy that “hates” us, even though we haven’t bothered to find out WHY they allegedly hate us enough to execute such operations as the events of 9-11. (if they really did)

And in the meantime, these same hijackers have done everything in their power to PREVENT us from comprehending any of the reasons behind these attacks. They have created alternative realities to avoid the real deal. That is, US foreign policy, specifically in the Middle East, has generated the animosity and subsequent blowback that manifests itself in attacks against our nation. It was the reason behind the Embassy bombings, the USS Cole bombing, and others that we probably aren’t even aware of. The list is long.

This administration has NEVER advised the masses that the Arabs have always been antagonistic toward out military presence in Saudi Arabia, or anywhere else in those nations. They’ve ALWAYS complained of the blatant support that the U.S. has provided to Israel in it’s aggression against the Palestinians. These are but a few of the reasons for the animosity directed at us. We call it BLOWBACK, for lack of a better term.

And while intelligent people understand perfectly, that the majority of the population of the Middle East does NOT accept such terror tactics as a way of combating these issues of US hegemony, they also accept that all societies have extreme elements, and that they do not represent the norm. The rogue hijackers of our own however, would simply have us believe that “they all” –hate us- for our “freedoms.

So yeah, we DO want to “understand” the mentalities that created 9-11, because that’s one of the primary tools in prevention of such in the future.

Der Karl as a student of history; he must have gotten a D- in history then.
His grand plan for Republican domination was thwarted once folks realized that it was all smoke and mirrors, with a lot of lies and slander thrown in.
That was proven in ‘06. And it will be reinforced in ‘08, assuming the Shootist hasn’t declared martial law and canceled elections.
I am hoping that some of the incumbent Democrat’s get a wake up call, in the form of a one way ticket home as well.