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Posted on Aug 14, 2007
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By Robert Scheer

What in the world was Sen. Hillary Clinton thinking when she attacked Sen. Barack Obama for ruling out the use of nuclear weapons in going after Osama bin Laden? And why aren’t her supporters more concerned about yet another egregious example of Clinton’s consistent backing for the mindless militarism that is dragging this nation to ruin? So what that she is pro-choice and a woman if the price of proving her capacity to be commander in chief is that we end up with an American version of Margaret Thatcher?

In response to the 9/11 hijackers, armed with weapons no more sophisticated than $3 box cutters, American military spending, with Senate Armed Services Committee member Clinton’s enthusiastic support, has catapulted beyond Cold War levels. Sen. Clinton has treated the military budget as primarily a pork-barrel target of opportunity for jobs and profit in New York state, supports increased money for missile defense and every other racket the military-industrial complex comes up with, and still feels no obligation to repudiate her vote for the disastrous Iraq war.

Given her sorry record of cheerleading the irrational post-Cold War military buildup, do we not have a right, indeed an obligation, to question whether Clinton is committed to creating a more peaceful world? Don’t say that we weren’t warned if a President Hillary Clinton further imperils our world, as she has clearly positioned herself as the leading hawk in the Democratic field. What other reason was there for first blasting Obama for daring to state that he would meet with foreign leaders whom Bush has branded as sworn enemies, and then for the attack on Obama’s very sensible statement that it would be “a profound mistake” to use nuclear weapons in Pakistan and Afghanistan in the attempt to eliminate bin Laden?

Isn’t that a no-brainer—or can Clinton conceive of an occasion where even the threat, let alone the actuality, of a nuclear attack in the immediate neighborhood of nuclear-armed Pakistan and India would send the right message? And what about the dangerous message of Clinton’s assault on Obama; “I don’t believe that any president should make any blanket statements with respect to the use or non-use of nuclear weapons.” Huh? Just exactly how does one make a compelling case to other nations against the proliferation of nuclear weapons when members of the nuke club, particularly the president of the one nation that has killed hundreds of thousands of people with two of these ungodly weapons, will not, at the very least, promise to abstain from first use of a weapon that could quite easily eliminate most life on this planet?

Of course Obama was right, and it was no different than Sen. Clinton’s statement in April 2006, when she said, “I would certainly take nuclear weapons off the table,” in relation to preventing Iran from developing such weapons. Back then, she recognized that nuclear weapons are weapons against civilization, not a means of ensuring its survival. “This administration has been very willing to talk about using nuclear weapons in a way we haven’t seen since the dawn of a nuclear age,” she said. “I think that’s a terrible mistake.” Yes, indeed—and Hillary’s supporters will no doubt insist that this statement reflects her true feelings on the matter and that “militarist Hillary” is just an act to get elected.

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Act or reality, it’s working. Pundits for the National Review, The Weekly Standard and other pro-war outlets have come to applaud Clinton. A host of political scientists and other campaign hustlers have also approved this image makeover; as a recent Boston Globe headline put it, “Tough talk drives Clinton effort: National security stance seen adding to image of strength.” One political scientist from Texas stated: “She’s come off as credible and serious on national defense—an issue that two years ago most of us would have thought would be a liability for her.” The Globe noted that “When Geraldine Ferraro was the Democratic candidate for vice president in 1984, she was dogged by questions about whether she could ‘push the button’ to launch an attack if the Cold War turned hot.” The paper then quoted Ferraro as saying that Clinton, whom she supports for president, has passed that test: “You can’t do that with Hillary Clinton. Hillary is in a totally different place.”

Great, so forget the hope that a woman president might prove to be more enlightened than macho men in the matter of peacemaking, and instead rest assured that Hillary would have the cojones to “push the button” that would kill us all. Once again, the old Clintonian tactic of triangulation: positioning oneself politically instead of taking a position of integrity.

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By Logician, August 15, 2007 at 11:24 pm Link to this comment

Re#95285, 95294, and others by “GodSend”:

You know, a truly gifted satirist comes on the scene only once in a very great while.  Satirists like Cervantes, Voltaire, Twain, and the like are just too danged rare for the good of humanity.

That’s why when I find a good satirist I am tickled pink.  So I want to thank you, “GodSend,” (I just love that so subtle sobriquet!) for your grand efforts at such brilliant satire on the incredible stupidity of the Christian religion.

I have to admit, at first I wondered, WTF?  And then I referenced the exhaustively well researched send-up of Christian hate you wrote on novalight.org.  Not since Cervantes’ send-up of the then current turgid romances that we know as ‘Don Quixote’ have I seen such meticulous attention to the detail of the object being mocked. 

Your referencing Theodore Austin-Sparks, one of the most hate-filled of the corp of Christian liars was the final clue that EVERYTHING you say is just a send-up of that stupidity. His writings are typical of the genre: “There are really only two sets of people in creation and in the universe: ‘the seed of Satan’, whether they be men or demons, and ‘the seed of Christ;...”

His genius was in keeping things simple for the simple minded.  When things are either-or, and only you are right, every problem can be solved in seconds, leaving plenty of time to make another brother/son with your mommy.  YOUR genius, “GodSend” (that pseudonym is just too-too precious!) is in letting this incredible idiocy speak for itself by taking it at its word and applying it to real world situations as demonstrated on this post. 

I see that others aren’t getting your joke and are taking you at face value, which is the mark of a great performance artist: the performance is so nuanced, so subtle, so dead-on that one cannot tell if it is real or satire.  Beautiful work, “GodSend”!

In this time of polarizing diatribes, it is wonderful to find a satirist so dedicated to his art and vision.  You so thoroughly and completely expose the absolute drooling stupidity of all the Christian liars and haters and Anti-Zionists there is really nothing more to prove.

You should publish elsewhere, “GodSend”. (That name just says it all, doesn’t it?)  Try ‘The Daily Show’ or ‘The Colbert Report’.  They too are great satirists and your astoundingly accurate and meticulously well written send-up of the disgustingly inbred filth of the SOL would be a welcome and joyously celebrated addition to their work.

May your work be seen by all, for nothing else I have seen accomplishes its objective so well: exposing Christianity for what it is, the most filthy, most disgusting shit to be defecated on an unsuspecting humanity since its predecessor, Judaism.  You should now turn your attention to Judaism and Christianity’s only logical outcome: Islam.  What your subtle mind could do with that abomination, one can only wonder. 

Again, thank you, good luck and “GodSpeed”, “GodSend”! (Wink!  Love that name!)

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By GodSend, August 15, 2007 at 10:47 pm Link to this comment

Dan Uu Noel:

Bullseye! smile

The key to unraveling the Zionist Matrix is 9/11!

ANY candidate for political office of any party who does not DEMAND a full and independent investigation of 9/11 is either in Denial, or, more likely, a Zionist or Zionist sympathizer. This is just about as ‘self-evident’ by now as the truths our Founding Fathers talked about: “We hold these truths to be self-evident” smile It is self-evident that the ‘Official’ explanation of the events of 9/11 is a deliberate LIE, which continues to be concealed by the Bush Cabal, Zionists and the MSM.

Therefore, H. Clinton’s candidacy is as dead as a doornail. Her stand on nukes is ‘much ado about nothing’. Her ‘impeachment is off the table’ remark (Bush & Cheney) is the equivalent of showing us her Zionist membership card. wink

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By Dan Uu Noel, August 15, 2007 at 10:04 pm Link to this comment

The biggest problem with Clinton on the issue of national security is that, like all other major candidates, she fully buys into the 9/11 farce even though any discerning high school kid can easily recognize it as a crass and desperate maneuver by the federal government to plunge U.S. voters into a culture of fear.

A couple of candidates have expressed cautious dissident statements on 9/11, but the mainstream media, who for some unknown reasons have chosen to be accomplices in the cover up of this sad story, have worked hard to crush them.

As long as “we the people,” including Robert Scheer, allow the government to cling to their official fairy tale of what happened on that fateful day, Clinton and others will pursue a national security policy of rants and threats, repression and aggression.

One could wonder whether they took a page off Dear Leader Comrade Kim Jong-Il’s playbook.

Love,

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By mackTN, August 15, 2007 at 9:34 pm Link to this comment

Hillary can’t continue to dodge legitimate questions of weapons philosophy, tactics, foreign policy.  voters have a right to know how candidates would respond in certain situations.  she’s interviewing for a job, and we, the voters, ask the questions. 

It’s a little early in the game to use executive privilege. 

A good response would have focused on her views toward nuclear material in military situations.

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By GodSend, August 15, 2007 at 9:03 pm Link to this comment

omop:

You seem to have a pretty good understanding of how the world works.

Americans are becoming more aware each day of who is holding the strings and making most of us jump like marionettes! Those strings, held by the ‘Invisible Hand’ of the ‘Illuminati’ (Zionists and other Satanists) are not just controlling events in NYC and DC - they are controlling the major events throughout most of the civilized world! What is their greatest dual source of power? Control over the MSM (MainStreamMedia) and Control over Money. They have been busy for many years, trying to turn humanity into millions of brainwashed, clueless, confused, self-gratification absorbed, immoral and lazy sheeple (think of woolly couch potatoes). It’s all a real (and very large) Puzzle.

You can SEE! the solution of The Puzzle at:

http://novalight.org smile

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By Frank Cajon, August 15, 2007 at 9:00 pm Link to this comment

Wow, topic has been up 8 hours and already 75 blogs. My hat is off to the half-dozen folks who actually had anything to say about Billary Clinton and her blunder about nuclear strategy and haven’t been instead doing the usual, boring hijack thing we all know and for the most part ignore. For those actually interested in Scheer’s article about Clinton, if there are any left, my read is that she isn’t getting consistent foreign policy advice and/or is becoming more Bushlike with her stance on leaving troops in Iraq for substantial period after she takes the imaginary reins, and now putting nukes in the holster at negotiations designed to discourage them. She is getting some bad advice, and the flip-flop attack ads are already in pre-production for the primaries. She is, regrettably, the Demo ‘Front Runner’ giving the next election to President Guiliani. The Jackass party blows another one. Been there, done that (2004, anyone?). At least Guiliani won’t have Cheney as VP. Right now, my hope is that there will be an election, and Bush/Cheney won’t take over by force before it has a chance.

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By mikelaut, August 15, 2007 at 8:49 pm Link to this comment

Robert Scheer writes:

“What in the world was Sen. Hillary Clinton thinking when she attacked Sen. Barack Obama for ruling out the use of nuclear weapons in going after Osama bin Laden?”

1. Not even n the loosest sense of the word “attack” did Clinton “attack” Obama.

2. Clinton didn’t address Obama’s remarks directly. In fact, she refused to address Obama’s specific remarks, because, “I don’t know the circumstances in which he was responding.” (She dodged the question probably to avoid the media circus that occurs whenever she “fights” w/another candidate. Scheer is happy to create a fight where none exists.)

3. Clinton didn’t even address the ISSUE of using/not using nukes w/regard to Pakistan/Afghanistan. She refused to do so on the grounds that, “I’m not going to answer hypotheticals.”

Here’s what Clinton said:

QUESTION: Senator Clinton, ...Obama today said that the use of nuclear weapons would be off the table in Afghanistan or Pakistan. I’m wondering if you agree w/that?

CLINTON: Well, I’m not going to answer hypotheticals, but let’s find Osama bin Laden and his leadership first. And I think that presidents should be very careful at all times in discussing the use or non-use of nuclear weapons. Presidents since the Cold War have used nuclear deterrence to keep the peace.

And I don’t believe that any president should make any blanket statements w/respect to the use or non-use of nuclear weapons. But I think we’ll leave it at that because just—I don’t know the circumstances in which he was responding.

QUESTION: So it’s not irresponsible then to take nuclear weapons off the table?

CLINTON: I’ve said what I have to say about this.

Clinton neither “attacks” Obama nor does she even address the specific question of using/not using nukes n Pak./Afgha. because doing so would be to “answer hypotheticals.” To dodge those qq., she instead makes a general, bland statement about how presidents should be very careful when discussing nukes & shouldn’t make any blanket statements about using/not using them. Why not rule out the use of nukes generally? Judging from the specific, historical example that she cites, her apparent reason for not ruling out nukes as a general principal is because there might be occasions when a publicly known no-nukes-ever policy would hamper a president’s dealings w/the world:  “Presidents since the Cold War have used nuclear deterrence to keep the peace.”

Scheer is simply lying to his readers (it seems very unlikely that so smart a man w/such long years & experience in journalism could so badly misunderstand Clinton’s words).

And he continues to lie to his readers (or propagate his own misunderstanding) throughout the piece. Compare the following statements with a careful reading of the above quotes:

“And why aren’t her supporters more concerned about yet another egregious example of Clinton’s consistent backing for the mindless militarism that is dragging this nation to ruin?” [Clinton’s remarks are neither “mindless” nor “militaristic”; they are actually carefully thought out & relatively moderate. She says only that a president shouldn’t make blanket statements about the use/non-use of nukes; & her apparent rationale for this position is that presidents can sometimes use the THREAT of nukes to maintain peace by keeping an enemy in check—something a president couldn’t do if he/she has taken a public stand against using nukes.]

“What other reason was there … for the attack on Obama’s very sensible statement that it would be “a profound mistake” to use nuclear weapons in Pakistan & Afghanistan in the attempt to eliminate bin Laden?” [Again, in no sense of the word did Clinton “attack” Obama; nor did she even address the specific question of nukes and Pakistan/Afghanistan.]

“And what about the dangerous message of Clinton’s assault on Obama…”  [“Assault”?  What a joke. What pure agitprop the use of this kind of language is to describe Clinton’s statements quoted above.]

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By GodSend, August 15, 2007 at 8:23 pm Link to this comment

OK, Louise, the last little breeze seemed to whisper ‘Louise’, so let’s take a closer look at some of the things you said in your last post:

there is not one among us who can speak for God and/or Satan with any truly verifiable authority.

God already ‘spoke’. His Word is recorded in the Bible, otherwise known as ‘Holy Scripture’. MANY authentic followers of Christ have explained and interpreted God’s Word! Apparently you don’t know who they are! :(

as though they had the authority

Some people have been given authority by God. How can you recognize them? They speak Truth - verifiable by Scripture or other ‘evidence’. Some truths are ‘self-evident’. Authority can also be recognized by the fulfilment of what God’s authentic ‘spokespeople’ say (prophecy). It’s a concept similar to the OT Jewish prophets - they have been amazingly right!

there are good Zionists

Who gave you the authority to make that statement? Are you an authority on ‘good’? I doubt it! We need an agreed upon definition of ‘good’ before deciding if your statement means anything. By God’s definition of ‘good’ (Holy Scripture), there are NO ‘good’ Zionists!

we must hold each individual, and each Nation, who breaks the law accountable for their actions.

That sounds nice and rings true but we are obviously not up to the task! (who is holding Bush accountable? - not only for breaking the law but for creating new ones by devious means and abuse of our Constitution). The day of accountability is Judgment Day (as in God’s Judgment of all we did, said, wrote and thought). Judgment Day comes after we die.

inaction in the face of obvious law-breaking is as bad as breaking the law itself

That is an illogical statement! Whose job is it to enforce the law? Would you like to take the law into your own hands? Sure sounds like it!

I personally do not believe any “other world person” good or bad is going to intervene for us since we are far to lazy to do what needs to be done for ourselves!

God intervenes for (and against) some of us all the time! There are limits to what we can and should do ourselves.
When God intervenes on our behalf, it’s called ‘Grace’. Have you heard (of) ‘Amazing Grace’? That’s God, intervening on our behalf. smile

they sit around eagerly waiting for the final destruction, which actually guarantees destruction will come, and believe somehow they wont get hurt.

That may be true for some people. It’s not what I advocate or what Holy Scripture advocates. “Resist the Devil” means resist evil! It means EXPOSE evil! Waiting does NOT guarantee destruction (God’s intervention through His wrath). Destruction comes as Punishment for Crime (also known as ‘sin’ - offenses against God and His commandments). Sometimes punishment is deferred or sins are forgiven. Punishment can only be avoided by God’s forgiveness. God’s people do not expect not ‘getting hurt’. Christ’s disciples ‘got hurt’ - they were mostly martyred. That’s what God’s people can expect.

I’m really not looking for Satan.

You misunderstand how it works. Satan is looking for you! If you don’t pay attention, he will find you and deceive you - it happens to anyone who is not aware of his existence or denies his existence! wink Denying Satan’s existence is almost as bad as denying God’s (Christ’s) existence.

Real life people are scary enough!

Mainly people like Bush, Cheney, Olmert, Greenspan, Wolfowitz, lilmamzer and other Zionists. Are there scary people who are NOT Zionists? You betcha! Zionists are not the ONLY Satanists!

Well, Louise, this is just a little slice of closer inspection of what you wrote. Some people live in a dreamworld of their own fantasies and wishful thinking - and don’t even know it! wink

Don’t give up searching for Truth - it’s out there! smile

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By mackTN, August 15, 2007 at 8:06 pm Link to this comment

There have been many women in the White House who have survived adultery in their marriages—it doesn’t qualify them to run for President. 

To say that among all the Democrats running, Hillary is the most experiences and best qualified is ridiculous.  She is in fact among the least experienced and qualified. 

I wouldn’t hire the spouse of my plumber just because marriage connected them.  There are few jobs, in fact, I think I spouse could be hired on the basis of experience gleaned through marriage. 

We are talking about the presidency.  I don’t doubt she has skills, but more than any other candidate?

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By lilmamzer, August 15, 2007 at 7:06 pm Link to this comment

#95266 by THE MANGEMEISTER

lilmamzer you sound like you might be associated with the authorities who have been watching my house.Bye bye.

Lame-ass chickenshit.

I knew he had no answers.

It’s easy for bigots like MANGEMEISTER to be bullies on the internet. He can’t do squat in the real world, though.

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By omop, August 15, 2007 at 6:39 pm Link to this comment

Ariel Sharon speaking to Shimun Perez

I want to tell you something very clear. Don’t worry about American pressure on israel. We the Jewish people,control America and the Americans know it

The above verbatim exchange took place on KOL Ysrael radio on October 3, 2001.

Soon after Sharon became comatose. so far as can be determined there have not been any reports that he has come out of his coma.

Hillary who is related by marriage to Senator Barbara Boxer [Dem. Ca]
accomplished a feat from moving out of the White House and in a matter of few months succeeded retiring Sen.Moynahan as a Senator from New York.

Hillary is basically told what “buttons to push” by those who control America. And as long as non-adjectivised Americans do not control America. America is on a one street going in the wrong direction.

From several commentators more and more americans are becoming aware of who pulls the strings in New York and DC.

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By THE MANGEMEISTER, August 15, 2007 at 6:31 pm Link to this comment

lilmamzer you sound like you might be associated with the authorities who have been watching my house.Bye bye.

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By lilmamzer, August 15, 2007 at 6:25 pm Link to this comment

#95258 by Louise

The answer is we must hold each individual, and each Nation, who breaks the law accountable for their actions. That is after all why we have law.

Well said.

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By Louise, August 15, 2007 at 5:59 pm Link to this comment

#95142 by GodSend on 8/15 at 10:34 am

“The owner of that ‘Invisible Hand’ is the Devil and his worshipers in the “Synagogue of Satan” (Zionists) are doing all the damage we SEE!”

Having encountered many honest people and many dishonest people and many muddled in the middle somewhere people, over the many years of my life, I have learned one immutable [for me anyway] lesson.

Until I see the credentials, signed and authenticated, by God and/or Satan him/herself, there is not one among us who can speak for God and/or Satan with any truly verifiable authority.

But there are unquestionably very bad and very good and very stupid and very smart and lots of somewhere in the middle people. Who are and should be responsible for their own behavior. The bad use the good. The good try to get along with everyone, the smart measure twice, cut once and the stupid just stay that way.

Meanwhile people willing to blame [or credit] a “superior” being for all things they are unable, or unwilling to deal with themselves keep on “speaking for God” as though they had the authority.

Are there bad Zionists?
Are there bad Christians?
Are there bad Muslims?
Are there bad Atheists?
Are there bad PEOPLE?

Absolutely!

Likewise there are good Zionists, Christians, Muslims, Atheists and just about any other handle we could tag people with. The answer is we must hold each individual, and each Nation, who breaks the law accountable for their actions. That is after all why we have law.

As far as Gods law is concerned. [Any God] It seems to me having given so many laws to his/her people along with pretty clear instructions about individual responsibility, that [or those] God[s] must be about ready to wash his/her hands of the whole lot of human-kind, because inaction in the face of obvious law-breaking is as bad as breaking the law itself. In other words, waiting for God to save us from ourselves is doing nothing!

I personally do not believe any “other world person” good or bad is going to intervene for us since we are far to lazy to do what needs to be done for ourselves! The tragedy is, while folks are praying for the good side to come and save us, using the dark side as the excuse for our problems, our inactivity gives bad people everywhere, ever more power.

Then as if that wasn’t dumb enough, they sit around eagerly waiting for the final destruction, which actually guarantees destruction will come, and believe somehow they wont get hurt.

They will.

Anyhow ... thank you for the kind words, but I’m really not looking for Satan.
Real life people are scary enough!

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By Outraged, August 15, 2007 at 5:59 pm Link to this comment

Godsend,

Satan came to me in a dream and told me that you should never stop proselytizing here on truthdig.  He said you were making him very happy.  He also said he controls the internet and everyone who comments here and by the mere touching of the keyboard he enters the soul of the worthy.

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By GodSend, August 15, 2007 at 5:54 pm Link to this comment

THE MANGEMEISTER:

Don’t let that disgusting and evil snot-snout lilmamzer browbeat or intimidate or tempt you! He already has his answer. The only thing to do is to EXPOSE the Zionist crimes, lies and deceptions (like 9/11, the USS Liberty attack, the JFK assassination, the Paul Wellstone ‘accident’, etc.!) and slice him and the rest of his ilk up with the sword of God’s Word (Truth) - and the lies and deceptions will just spill out of him like the guts out of a disemboweled swine - and I didn’t just pick swine out of the air! wink

Any more than that is Yahweh’s business - and He’ll be all business when He gets around to business. smile The rebellious Zionists have a pretty good idea what’s coming - because they’ve been here before and their prophet Ezekiel gave them a pretty good idea of what’s next: MELTING in Yahweh’s furnace! (‘before’ were: 40 years in the Sinai, exile in Babylon, destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem, Diaspora). By the way, the rebuilding of the ‘Temple’ is not a physical reconstruction of a building. It was the Resurrection of Jesus the Christ! God only knows what they’re still waiting for. wink

We just have to wait and watch - while we’re slicing and dicing with the sword of God’s Word. wink

If you’re wondering why I continue to cast my pearls before him and others in the herd, it’s because there are many lurkers and listeners who are observing what goes on here - and may benefit! That’s what blogging is all about. smile Is all this stuff ‘on topic’? You betcha!

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By blafo, August 15, 2007 at 5:47 pm Link to this comment

This Hillary supporter IS concerned about her seeming lack of anti-war zeal. Maybe it is just a ploy to counteract some of the sexism she faces. The Democrats have several potentially good candidates this time and it’s nice to know that no matter which one gets nominated, she/he will seem like the second coming of Jesus compared to the outgoing cabal.
Anyone with a shred of remaining doubt about the unmitigated blatancy of Cheney/Bush hypocrisy need only take a peek at this brief YouTube snippet

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YENbElb5-xY

beyond the beyond

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By lilmamzer, August 15, 2007 at 5:39 pm Link to this comment

#95249 by THE MANGEMEISTER)

Why do I say Zionism is a cancer?

I didn’t ask you that. I’ve heard it all before, a million times, yadda yadda yadda.

I asked you what you are prepared to do about it.

Surely something so evil must be confronted, right?

Otherwise, it wouldn’t be worth your time to even call it out as such a cancer.

Right?

WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT, RANGEMEISTER??????

You are so frickin’ lame.

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By THE MANGEMEISTER, August 15, 2007 at 5:28 pm Link to this comment

lilmamzer as I said nothing we say on these posts will change anything.Why do I say Zionism is a cancer?Look at Wall Street,a Zionist institution where everything is viewed as a commodity and the mantra that net worth=self worth,much to the detriment of the planet to extract the raw materials to create this wealth.Live the American dream(the rest of the world’s nightmare)pushed by the Zionist print and television media.And then theres Hollywood another Zionist institution that poison the minds of people everywhere with mindless movies,and help promote Zionist wars.

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By lilmamzer, August 15, 2007 at 4:17 pm Link to this comment

#95232 by THE MANGEMEISTER

lilmamzer I don’t post these comments as a way of complaing.

It’s not a complaint? That’s BS.
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I express an opinion,and that’s all it is an opinion.

Let’s have another look at that “opinion”:

#95180 by THE MANGEMEISTER

I support your fight on Zionism which is not just limited to the Middle East.It is the cancer of all living things on this planet

And yet, when challenged to show a little spine, at least some cojones in the face of “the cancer of all living things on this planet”, you come up totally empty.

Can you really be that spineless? Back up your tough talk with something.

You say there’s the worst cancer out there, and you can think of nothing to do about it? If you CAN think of something to do about it, why don’t you?

You want me to have to spoon-feed you some ideas?

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By THE MANGEMEISTER, August 15, 2007 at 3:58 pm Link to this comment

lilmamzer I don’t post these comments as a way of complaing.I express an opinion,and that’s all it is an opinion.Nothing we say with these posts will likely change anything,it is more about exchanging different points of view.Why bother to explain anything to you,it’s just way over your head.

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By Mudwollow, August 15, 2007 at 3:40 pm Link to this comment

morewarmorewarmorewarmorewarmorewar…

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By GodSend, August 15, 2007 at 3:33 pm Link to this comment

Hey, lilmamzer, read post # 95197! Your ‘call to arms’ is a devilish trick - nobody in their right mind will fall for it!

“The Word of God is living and powerful…..and is a discerner of the intents and thoughts of the heart”. The intents and thoughts of your heart have been discerned - and they are EVIL, like those of your father, the Devil!

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By GodSend, August 15, 2007 at 3:20 pm Link to this comment

THE MANGEMEISTER: (Part 3 of T. Austin-Sparks’ Chapter 1)

The Works of the Redeemer - Supernatural

What was true of the birth of Christ was true of His works. We are not concerned with an argument that Jesus performed miracles, but our concern is to show that the miracles had a meaning which was more than themselves. There have been, and still are, works which in a sense are miraculous, but quite out of relation to Christ. He Himself said that there would be some who would say: “Lord… in Thy name we have done many mighty works, but (said He) I will say unto them… I never knew you.” The phrase “mighty works” is thus used of Jesus, and of some who had no real relationship to Him. We must therefore conclude that there is something more in the miracles of Jesus than themselves. From a consideration of the Scriptures relating to this matter there seem to be three aspects of the miracles which lead us to the Divine supernaturalism. One relates to His person; who He was. The next to the immediate intention of His works. The third, their abiding significance for all time.

Both the Apostles John and Paul strongly and categorically affirmed that Jesus Christ was a party to, instrument, and object of the creation of the world. Their words are:

“The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that hath been made” (John 1:2,3). “In him were all things created… all things have been created through him, and unto him” (Colossians 1:16).

One of the favourite designations of God by the Old Testament Psalmists was “The creator of the heavens and the earth”. “The sea and all that therein is.”

The miracles of Christ touched the creation at every point: sea, elements, earth, bread, wine, the human body, etc. In this way He was demonstrating that He was the creator, so that, in this respect, His miracles revealed who He was as the creator and Lord of creation.

The immediate intention of His works was to show that God had visited the world to manifest His rights, authority, grace and glory in it. The repudiation of Him and His works involved no less a responsibility and consequence than the casting of God out of His world.

The most substantial and unanswerable argument for the supernatural in His works is in the third aspect, the abiding significance. It is John who takes the matter beyond “powers” and “wonders” to his unique definition - “Signs”. The miracles were signs, that is, they signified more than the temporal acts. If lame men were miraculously made to walk, if deaf, dumb, blind, leprous people were miraculously given faculties and wholeness organically and constitutionally; and if helpless and hopeless victims of evil powers were set completely free, all this was intended to show what centuries of history in every part of the world have proved, and are still proving, that in and by Jesus Christ a supernatural salvation has been brought to man spiritually, morally, mentally and often physically.

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By GodSend, August 15, 2007 at 3:18 pm Link to this comment

THE MANGEMEISTER: (Part 2 of T. Austin-Sparks’ Chapter 1)

The Birth of the Redeemer - Supernatural

Hence the Saviour had to be a supernatural Saviour in every respect. His birth had to be supernatural! The whole controversy over the Virgin Birth of the Saviour has a far greater and deeper significance than a fragment of a creed or a physiological phenomenon. It is fundamentally related to the entire method of redemption. It cuts in two and sets in altogether different realms the humanity which is of man and that which is of God. “That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit” (John 3:6). Jesus Christ, by His very birth, introduces a new and different ‘species’, or order of humanity in the essential basic nature. God is involved in that humanity in a way in which it is not true of “the natural man” as we know him. He is a miracle at His very inception, the supernatural alone accounts for Him. Remove that and you only have a “Jesus of History”, a man - if better - yet only like all other men in essential being.

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By lilmamzer, August 15, 2007 at 3:17 pm Link to this comment

#95201 by THE MANGEMEISTER

lilmamzer how do you know what I have done or not done?I use this website more as a support group knowing GodSend and others share my views.What do you mean by “you people”?

Yes, you people.

You who whine and complain all the time on these pages about the threat you so clearly identify, and yet cannot point to anything of substance you have done.

You people. You crying, simpering, complaining people, afraid to take up arms and put down that which you claim is such a threat to you.

You people are empty rhetoric and hot air.

You people are internet bullies, and nothing more.

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By felicity, August 15, 2007 at 3:06 pm Link to this comment

Hillary says nothing that will lose her votes.  Hillary says anything that will gain her votes.  (The American voter determines what she says.)

Like Pelosi who rose to her position because she promised that as Speaker she would work solely for the benefit of the sitting Dem House members - nevermind for our benefit - Hillary is promising the majority of American voters that she will do their bidding - no matter the dire consequences for our beleagured nation.  Politics as usual.

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By GodSend, August 15, 2007 at 3:06 pm Link to this comment

THE MANGEMEISTER:

(Victory against the Devil requires God’s supernatural power in His Followers!)

The True Christian Life A Supernatural Life
by T. Austin-Sparks

Chapter 1 - The Supernatural Birth and Works of Christ

The Bible is a record of the long history of the conflict between the natural and the supernatural. That will sound strange to many ears because the element of conflict is so often ruled out by the explanation or excuse: ‘Well, it is only natural.’ ‘It is just human nature.’ ‘You cannot go against nature.’ Such arguments may be right if we accept that ‘nature’ or the natural is as it should be. So much depends upon such an acceptance of, and concurrence with, what we term ‘natural’. For one thing, it is the question of what God calls natural or what man so defines it. But the fact is that what man calls natural, God calls unnatural; and what God calls natural, man calls supernatural. The Bible has an immense amount to say against what man calls natural, both as to its nature and its abilities. Further, the Bible is constituted on the principle that God is always trying to lift man from his natural life and place him on a supernatural level. From a certain time-point the Bible shows that a ‘Fall’ from one level to another resulted in everything becoming unnatural from God’s stand point. Recovery from that ‘Fall’ has necessitated the intervention of the supernatural in every respect.

This contrast and conflict is summed up in one basic and comprehensive statement by the Apostle Paul: “Now the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: ...they are foolishness unto him; ...he cannot know them” (1 Corinthians 2:14).

In the immediate context of that statement the Apostle relates it to wisdom, the supreme wisdom of this world: to power, the supreme strength of this world: to knowledge; all the accumulated knowledge of this world’s princes: and he shows to what extremes of folly and evil the outworkings of all this can go. It even resulted in their “crucifying the Lord of glory”.

What a history of conflict relates to this supreme issue, the natural and the supernatural! If the conflict raged mainly in the realms of the Judaizers on the one hand and the philosophers on the other hand in New Testament times, in more recent times its battleground has been - and is - the theologians and the doctrinaires. The concentrated effort of so-called ‘Scholarship’ has been to eliminate the supernatural from every part of “the Faith once for all delivered to the saints”. From the Virgin Birth of Christ, through His miracles, His cosmic supernatural death, to His bodily resurrection. This has been followed up into the nature of the Christian life, its inception in new birth; its sustenance from Heaven, and its consummation in the ‘body of glory’.

The place of the supernatural has been taken by the psychological, the ethical, the humanistic, the philosophical, etc. Indeed, many have gone as far as to say that a supernatural Saviour is unnecessary; man is his own saviour, and his destiny is in his own hands. So the battle proceeds. God takes a long time, but although

  “The mills of God grind slowly,
  Yet they grind exceeding small:
  Though with patience He stands waiting,
  With exactness grinds He all.”

The wisdom and the power of the natural man is being extended to the ultimate limit, but it is surely only fools who do not see that the world of the natural man is getting more and more hopelessly beyond his wisdom and his power, and it is getting very near to the point where it will destroy him with a terrible destruction. Only a supernatural intervention will save this creation at last. God’s full and perfect knowledge has acted on this truth of the supernatural in every aspect of salvation, redemption and glory. The intervention of God in this world has always been supernatural because the natural is fully known by Him to be incompetent.

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By patricia cross, August 15, 2007 at 2:51 pm Link to this comment
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Mr. Scheer whom I revere…...why are you ragging on Hillary.  You miss an important point in the exchange beteen Hillary and Obama.  As with the case of obama playing cowboy saying he would go into Pakistan without government agreement to take out obama if he knew he was there, well now…..isn’t that a foolish statement.  Hillary is right Mussaraf is fighting for his survival and stability of Pakistan and such an act ithout diplomatic onsideration is a grave error.  And too, Hillary merely said evrything was on the table. Everyone know we have nukes and of course nukes are on the table and we (since the two to Japan)  and Russia have had the good sense not to use them.  I like obama’s references to the avoidance of nukes.  Hillary either has or certainly should speak of this.
THE BIG POINT HERE IS WHAT HILLARY SAID ABOUT HOW WORLD LEADERS MAY TALK IN PRIVATE ABOUT CERTAIN THINGS/TACTICS, BUT THEY DO NOT ANNOUNCE IT TO THE WORLD.  Obama is quite naive and inexperiences and got quite carried away playing cowboy.  Hillary knows where the bodies are buried and I trust her judgeent when it comes down to it to make the best choice for world peace and it will not include nukes unless we were hit first.

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By GodSend, August 15, 2007 at 2:39 pm Link to this comment

THE MANGEMEISTER:

We are called to do battle against Evil (dEVIL) on an individual basis. We are each given different depths of knowledge and spiritual understanding. Each of us has a battle station. There are many battle stations. Let’s ‘fight the good fight’ as best as we are able and equipped - when we are called (and we WILL be called) to take a Stand against the Devil. The fight against Zionism is a very important battle in this spiritual warfare between the Sons of Light and the Sons of Darkness!

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By THE MANGEMEISTER, August 15, 2007 at 2:38 pm Link to this comment

lilmamzer how do you know what I have done or not done?It is not enjoyable to be followed,or have your house being watched,so I guess I’m doing something right.I use this website more as a support group knowing GodSend and others share my views.What do you mean by “you people”?

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By GodSend, August 15, 2007 at 2:26 pm Link to this comment

Non Credo, et al:

lilmamzer is trying to tempt you - like his father, the Devil, tried to tempt Jesus the Christ! Remember:

“For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.” (Ephesians) The ‘rulers of the darkness of this age’ are the Devil and his demons, possessing human bodies and souls.

And “He will also do it.”

We are to fight the fight of the Faith against all enemies of God (and humanity) by wearing the full armor of God and wielding His fearsome weapon, with which we WILL defeat Satan and his horde of worshipers (including Zionists): His Word!

“Resist the Devil and he will flee from you.”

Yahweh and His Son, Jesus the Christ, have already defeated Death, Sin and the Devil and his worshipers on the Cross of Christ! That was and IS the Divine Plan for the Salvation of humanity - one human being at a time. We are just going through the motions of helping to put the Final nail in the Devil’s coffin! smile

“Vengeance is Mine, says the Lord. I will recompense.”

There is no need for violence or bloodshed to defeat the Devil. Violence and bloodshed are his tools, NOT God’s and Christ’s!

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By lilmamzer, August 15, 2007 at 2:02 pm Link to this comment

#95187 by Non Credo

Is she just saying what she thinks the Israel lobby wants to hear?

Do you even have to ask? You have proven beyond a scintilla of doubt that Hillary and all the major players in both parties are Zionist tools.

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By lilmamzer, August 15, 2007 at 1:51 pm Link to this comment

#95180 by THE MANGEMEISTER

I support your fight on Zionism which is not just limited to the Middle East.It is the cancer of all living things on this planet,and people either see it or they don’t.

Wow, tough words.

So all you are doing to fight this cancer is post words on this message boards?

You think that will accomplish anything inthe face of the “cancer of all living things on this planet”?

How lame is that????

Get off your ass and do something real.

When will you people walk the walk instead of just talking the talk?

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By Mike Nomad, August 15, 2007 at 1:42 pm Link to this comment
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Uh, Bob, you need to ease up on the mind-altering chemistry.

I’m no fan of Hilary OR Barack. However, your story is at best fiction, and at worst, Black Propaganda.

If you’ve got the nuts to go after Hilary and her rub-up on all things half-life, why am I not reading an equally shrill piece from you about Barack’s willingness to use whatever tools at his disposal to get those (mis-identified) that got us? Barack has made that comment repeatedly, most recently (that I’m aware of) was during the YouTube “debate.”

You need to work a little harder on your technique: You tipped your hand way too early with the “$3 box cutters” remark. Always bury the real agenda of your article a few paragraphs in. Good job on the throw-away, using just the right amount of fade.

Maybe if you have some time, you could come down here to the University of Houston and take a class or two on propaganda. We have one of the best guys in the business here on faculty (I took a number of his classes while in graduate school).

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By THE MANGEMEISTER, August 15, 2007 at 1:37 pm Link to this comment

GodSend there are probably some things we may not agree on,but I support your fight on Zionism which is not just limited to the Middle East.It is the cancer of all living things on this planet,and people either see it or they don’t.

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By Skruff, August 15, 2007 at 1:36 pm Link to this comment
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“Once again, the old Clintonian tactic of triangulation: positioning oneself politically instead of taking a position of integrity.”

.....AND anyone who expected anything from Hill-the-business-shill has been looking through rose-colored glasses.

She’s a predator… that she’s a woman is irrelevant!

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By Zeb Hussel, August 15, 2007 at 1:12 pm Link to this comment
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” rest assured that Hillary would have the cojones to “push the button” that would kill us all. Once again, the old…..”

Just as an aside; Pushing the “button”; that is, using a nuclear device would not necessarily kill us all. That is cold war hyperbole.
  Put it this way: If you had a magic button that would send everyone you consider a terrorist straight to hell, would you push the button?
To paraphrase George Patton, the idea is not to die for your country; but to get some other poor slob to die for his.
  Of course all right thinking citizens want a peaceful world.  But what will you do when the playground bully trys to hurt you?

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By Mordechai Shiblikov, August 15, 2007 at 12:49 pm Link to this comment
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Hillary Clinton is simply the Republican party by other means.  If she gets the Democratic nomination, go ahead and vote for the Repub since it won’t matter one way or the other.  They’re all dragging the country to its ruin.

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By 1drees, August 15, 2007 at 12:09 pm Link to this comment
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Godsend, i do admire your informations & your willingness to share them here, thanks.

But the problem is that every candidate has no choice BUT to swear allegiance to israel to get the necessary funding for the presidential campaign & politicians being vile immoral criminals, who would do just about anything to get to that seat, will of course even accept the list of targets given to them by their Zionist paymasters. OBAMA wants to attack pakistan & then tencredo wanted to nuke saudia, you see they are already falling over themselves trying to prove their perfect enslavement to the Zionistic Agenda. Hillary is an old faithful to te same old agenda, previosly her hubby was employed& now she wants to be employed by them directly instead of being the “first lady”

American Market ctrashes everyday and the “federal reserve” pumps in loads of “printed dollars” to revive it BUT all that extra money is going to cause a hyper inflation and hence problems for the middle and lower class while these candidates can even afford to spend lavishly on whtever they want.

Also many experts on the current people in power predict another 9/11 like event that would necessitate another couple of wars on another couple of people outside of USA and the poverty should force many americans to join to go to war. I hope that by the Sept, 11, 2007 strik the Americans can make a change so that many millions of people can be saved from extermination, however i should say that if anyone should be exterminated it should be the Zionists, for te death and destruction that hae wreaked upon so many people al over the world which includes palestinains, iraqis, afghands and even ordinary americans to some degree.

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By GodSend, August 15, 2007 at 11:57 am Link to this comment

Well, THE MANGEMEISTER, are you still ‘with’ me?

How do you like my latest combination of awesome body blows, punctuated by uppercuts to the chin and the occasional left cross to the kidneys? Can you SEE! the Zionist enemy wobbling on his feet?

The KO (Knock-Out punch) is coming soon, but Someone else will deliver it! wink

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By Sue, August 15, 2007 at 11:56 am Link to this comment
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Dear Mr. Scheer,

  Your narrow minded, male chauvinistic views, and tremdous dislike of Hillary ( a female, oh no!) running for president is showing again.
 
  I believe Hillary IS more enlightened than most “macho” men, and she certainly earned the “cojones” reputation to “push the button” because she had to!  She’s entering into a area (man’s world) that has been off-limits (taboo) to us mere females.  I admire her longevity in the political world and her tenacity to stand her ground on whatever her desires amid constant attacks from men like you who I believe are a lot frightened that she may be the REAL deal! I say “get over it!”

  GO HILLARY!

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By GodSend, August 15, 2007 at 11:47 am Link to this comment

liveoilfree, my Dear, you may not have noticed (yet) BUT Democrat (and Repub) politics has EVERYTHING to do with the ‘Illuminati’ (Zionist) thingies! smile

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By GodSend, August 15, 2007 at 11:45 am Link to this comment

liveoilfree has hit the nail on the head about the ‘Israel Lobby’ and Israel’s presidential choice:

Rudy Guiliani!

Rudy is not only a moral degenerate (a key qualification for a Zionist - SEE Bush, et al), he played a key role in the destruction of criminal evidence of the 9/11 ‘leftovers’ - in record time! He was warned about WTC#7 collapsing and failed to get NYC firefighters out of harm’s way before the building collapsed by setting off pre-planted demolition charges - Thermate - (per Larry Silverstein’s instructions to ‘Pull it’!)

Who else can the Zionists trust to keep a lid on 9/11 Truth? SEE! Rudy with a yarmulke, celebrating 9/11 with some fellow Zionists (A. Sharon and a black hat) at: http://novalight.org

Good work, liveoilfree! smile

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By jimijazz, August 15, 2007 at 11:36 am Link to this comment
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It’s Hillary and the people around her that are destroying whats left of the Democratic Party.  Howard Fineman was on NBC and said that the Democrats could go the way of the Whig party because they don’t want to deal with Iraq. Which could result in a third party.

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By GodSend, August 15, 2007 at 11:34 am Link to this comment

That’s an interesting post, Louise, and it contains a lot of truth, HOWEVER, you failed to identify who is attached to the ‘Invisible Hand’ which is wreaking all the havoc (and havoc still to come!), including the rigging of elections.

The owner of that ‘Invisible Hand’ is the Devil and his worshipers in the “Synagogue of Satan” (Zionists) are doing all the damage we SEE! (or maybe not SEE?). wink

SEE!ing is believing. smile

You’re on the right track, Louise, but you’re not ‘there yet’! wink Keep looking!

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By liveoilfree, August 15, 2007 at 11:31 am Link to this comment

Someone should moderate these comments to get rid of the nutcase off-topic “illuminati” things.

Who knows, they may be right, but does not belong in a critique of Democrat politics.

An unmoderated thread is not worth reading, is one aphorism.

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By liveoilfree, August 15, 2007 at 11:27 am Link to this comment

As usual, the Democrats are destroying each other in vicious fights in the primary, to see who gets the nomination.  After they are exhausted by their inane bickering, they will be drained of money and no match for the evil Guiliani, Bush’s choice of successor.

None of the Democrats have enough stature to battle Bush, they find it easier to battle each other over picayune differnces.

To prove their worth, they should show how they would attack Bush, not how vicious they can be in destroying each other.

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By Brian Rothermund, August 15, 2007 at 11:08 am Link to this comment
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I still find it astounding that DUM-o-crats (and other phoney liberals) believe that Hilary can be elected President. Every conservatives wet dream for 2008 involves seeing Mrs. Clinton going down on the microphone at the DUM-o-cratic convention. The only way this image cannot be burned into our minds for the rest of time will involve the acceptance speech of Barack O’sama at the same venue. Wake up! ab(sort of) black and a woman stand no chance at being elected in an America dominated by old school southern racists and anti-women religeous manics.

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By Louise, August 15, 2007 at 11:07 am Link to this comment

The pain is palpable.

The economy is collapsing.
The infrastructure is collapsing.
The republican party collapsed beyond all recognition decades ago.
The democrat party is rushing to catch up.
In the name of Democracy in the Middle East, we continue our offerings of “Human Sacrifice” to the Gods of the almighty dollar.
Foreclosures, evictions and homelessness are at an all-time high.
The whole country, save the very wealthy is sick and cant afford a doctor.
And a lot of people are seriously beginning to wonder if they will be able to afford food next month.

In fact, the pain is so real, people who were asking questions and listening to the answers, just a few weeks ago, are now so frightened they have unplugged everything!

We hardly hear “God Bless America” anymore. We hear “God Help America” occasionally. But we never hear ... “Boy did WE screw up! How in blazes are WE going to fix this broken mess?”

What about the change the presidential election might bring?

Well to ask such a question brings the absurd to the center of the table. We have not seen a fair and honest election for president in this country since the last century. We know it. The “winners” know it. The media knows it, and the front runner knows it. And that in my humble opinion explains Hillary’s often unexplainable behavior.

She, like Kerry before her, has been convinced it will all be “fixed” in her favor. When in reality the reason the repubs want her to be the candidate, is because they already have their attack plan [Rove orchestrated no doubt] well in place, just as they did for Kerry. And the longer she campaigns, and the more she outrages some of her base, the more ammunition she and we and they give the slime-balls who follow Rove’s lead.

So, when the “fix” is in and Hillary loses at the very last moment, and everyone asks how could this happen? And never states the obvious, that word everyone is afraid to say out loud ... that word that now typifies republican style politics ...

CHEAT!

The media will expound profoundly [trying hard to sound like they are believable and
responsible] on all the reasons Hillary didn’t win. One of those being she lost support in her own base.

And like Kerry, she will immediately embark on a web campaign to reach out to her base so we can “fix” our broken democracy the next time around, and wonder why no-one wants her to run again. And the real broken pieces, whatever is left of any semblance of honesty in our general elections will be swept up and dumped in the dustbin along with all the other broken promises and the late and great democratic republic of the United States of America.

Long way of saying ... it’s all irrelevant, because the congress refuses to pass legislation protecting and guaranteeing free and honest elections.

The pain is palpable.

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By GodSend, August 15, 2007 at 11:01 am Link to this comment

Does anyone still wonder why Zionism sought to get control of the MSM (MainStreamMedia) as early as pre-WWI Germany? Are they getting ‘control’ of the Web as well? Who IS Greg Palast, really?

( SEE! http://smokingmirrors.blogspot.com )

Are you beginning to ‘get the picture’ - LITERALLY?! (the picture they want you to get!) They are truly devilish and deceptive! Caveat Voyeur wink

To SEE! the Zionists’ favorite weapon used against them, visit

http://novalight.org

It’s the MESSAGE that matters, more than the medium!

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By geronimo, August 15, 2007 at 10:47 am Link to this comment
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I April 2006, Clinton was asked if she would bomb Iran to prevent it from developin nuclear weapons.At that time to-date there is no evidence that Iran is developing a nuclear aresenal and the UN to-date has not found any. What is fed to us is the hallucination of Bush and we are suckers to believe this man who has lied to us many times in the past. Let us verify if in fact Iran’s nuclear program is for peaceful purposes or if the UN has found any credible evidence of Iran developing a WMD.Otherwise let us not tell them in advance what we intend to do.

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By GodSend, August 15, 2007 at 10:46 am Link to this comment

Has anyone noticed that H. Clinton’s mug has appeared here at least 3 times recently? Look at her poses! Do they remind you of anything? Hitler or Bush or Il Papa, perhaps, with arms raised in some ‘blessing’ or ‘godly’ demeanor?! Look at the posture and backdrop in this post. Do you think, perhaps, subliminal ‘messages’ and ‘associations’ are being delivered into your brain, never mind the words? Remember that the brain reacts to images a lot better than to words! Think about it!

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By GodSend, August 15, 2007 at 10:27 am Link to this comment

THE MANGEMEISTER:

Our views will gain credibility as Truth is unveiled, little by little! smile

If you want to SEE! The Puzzle solved, visit:

http://novalight.org

Be prepared for ‘SHOCKing and AWEsome Truth!

And remember the words of Thomas Jefferson:

“The tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots”. Or, if you’re an athlete: “No Pain, no Gain!” What’s a little pain when the future of humanity is at the stake??? wink

Look at the price Jesus the Christ paid to speak Truth! Look at the price his disciples paid to speak Truth (about the Son of God)! “A servant is not greater than his Master. If they persecuted Me they will also persecute you.”! smile

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By GodSend, August 15, 2007 at 10:14 am Link to this comment

And DO remember, folks, when you’re without a home or without a job or without a pension when the ‘Grand Depression’ hits in earnest - that all this is being brought to you by your and America’s Zionist ‘friends’ - most especially Sir Alan Greenspan, the Sorcerer and ‘expert’ on Depressions and giant credit bubbles! wink

If you want to learn more about America’s Zionist ‘friends’, read “Zionism for Dummies”, available all over the Web! smile You can start at Ziopedia.org or ConspiracyPenPal.com or JewishRacism.com or Novalight.org wink

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By THE MANGEMEISTER, August 15, 2007 at 10:11 am Link to this comment

GodSend your right on.It’s to bad the majority of Americans don’t realize this then perhaps things could change.As it is it won’t matter who becomes president.GodSend I fear the day will come when you won’t be able to say what you have said on this post.People who share our views could end up in a whole lot of trouble.

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By lilmamzer, August 15, 2007 at 9:57 am Link to this comment

#95085 by Douglas Chalmers

The only “dissension and controversy” which exists now is what surrounds the Republicans - their lack of credible or competent candidates, the Bush-Cheney holiday season until the federal election finally takes place, and the ever-worsening financial crisis as the nation’s infrastructure finally collapses around them.

I’ll take that last part about blaming aging infrastructure on the current admninistration as a rhetorical flourish and not intended as serious criticism.

Right?

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By jimijazz, August 15, 2007 at 9:54 am Link to this comment
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“the new democracy…” as Douglas Chalmers call it. Sounds very fascist. The fact that they let this guy ramble on proves to me how deep the Hillary fix is in. I don’t think Robert Scheer is worried about being snubbed by the next president for his comments. More empty threats from the Hillary camp. Absurd.

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By GodSend, August 15, 2007 at 9:49 am Link to this comment

Put your $$$ on 9/11-II and Bush ‘officially’ ascending to the throne of ‘Dictator-in-Chief’ before November, 2008. All the legal niceties and ‘Signing Statements’ have been put in place for that to happen. Can the Zionists afford to take any chances with who will become the next president (if any)?  NO, they can’t - because it will cost them EVERYTHING they have worked so hard for, for so many years (SEE! Benjamin Freedman’s 1961 and 1974 speeches for details) smile

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By Douglas Chalmers, August 15, 2007 at 9:34 am Link to this comment

#95093 by noodle on 8/15 at 7:54 am: “...Perhaps I’m a coward, but if Clinton get the Democratic nomination, I’m afraid I will sit this election out. If one of the candidates could/would only say that the U.S. will never again be the first to use nuclear WMD, I would be able to vote….”

Its a democracy for now, ‘noodle’. You can still vote, ha ha, but if you hang on to the GOP, it won’t stay that way. Hillary is the only possible path back to sanity at present. Or, would you rather a Romney/McCain fantasy trip to nuclear hell? Its really that simple.

If you dare to “sit this election out”, you will lose all chance of a future for the USA as a democracy. We know that. That is the only way that the Republican party stands a chance. Lazy or cowardly voters need not apply for a place in the new democracy. Choose now whether you want to continue to go backwards in the Neocon “new world order”!

Too bad that Scheer is touting his new book (Playing President) on “close encounters” with past presidents and bagging Hillary at the same time. He certainly won’t be invited to an interview with the next president of the USA as a consequence.

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By coolhanduke, August 15, 2007 at 9:16 am Link to this comment

Re: “What in the world was Sen. Hillary Clinton thinking when she attacked Sen. Barack Obama for ruling out the use of nuclear weapons in going after Osama bin Laden? “

What in the world is anyone expecting from Condoleeza Lite?

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By windus, August 15, 2007 at 8:59 am Link to this comment

Not just another Maggie Thatcher—in Obama’s words, she’d be Bush-Cheney Lite.

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By Leefeller, August 15, 2007 at 8:56 am Link to this comment

The retirm to the White House reads like a bad movie,  Hillery’s   a pathetic movie,  career politicians are pathetic and Hillery the Hawk is queen of pathetic,  the tops.  Peace is off the table, we need to flex our muscles and other peoples lives to prove a point. 

Opportunism at it’s finest, at first I did not understand why Hillery was taking such a hawk position, now Sheer explains it, follow the money.  My opinions have been correct, their is little difference between the Republicans and Democrats.

If only money talks we are doomed to a cast system.

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By noodle, August 15, 2007 at 8:54 am Link to this comment

Perhaps I’m a coward, but if Clinton get the Democratic nomination, I’m afraid I will sit this election out. If one of the candidates could/would only say that the U.S. will never again be the first to use nuclear WMD, I would be able to vote. Scheer, no matter what Lilmamzer and cohorts claim, you have not failed. It was a smart and welcome and necessary debunking of Clinton. And does anyone realize what a mamzer (or momser, as my mother used to say)is in Yiddish? As Casey Stengel used to say, “You could look it up.”

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By bc41, August 15, 2007 at 8:43 am Link to this comment
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Posturing to be tough but is that prudent.  I was really worried when some democrats wanted to bomb N. Korea when it was clear the leader just wanted to be included in negotiation.  China entered the dialogue and the situation has calmed down now.  That’s what Obama is talking about when he says we should talk to our enemys, who cares that we stand in a separate corner with our beliefs, people in the world don’t always think like we do, hard to fathom.  There needs to be a consenses on what the fundamentalism is really about, get the Muslums to reason it out.  I think oil money is a big factor just like drug money is a big factor in the wars going on in our streets.

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By Douglas Chalmers, August 15, 2007 at 8:37 am Link to this comment

#95072 by mackTN on 8/15 at 7:04 am: “...The Republicans are counting on her to win the primary because they know they can beat her—hence the slow trickle of Republicans, most ominously Rove, from the White House.  They will tear her to pieces…......creating so much dissension and controversy around her that voters will not trust her to run the office….”

Its hardly “critical discussion” for you to slag Hillary because she had been married to Bill. I think she has done well to weather those years of personal betrayal by a notoriously philandering husband and go on to establish her own political career in spite of him.

That would have been the end for any other woman. Instead, she fought back and changed herself as she went forward. She is the modern mature American woman - intelligent, strong-willed and confident. That is a real asset as a future president.

The Republicans no longer have any chances with the American people and that is why they are so upset with her latest “Invisible” television ad. That has been evident since the Democrats came into ascendancy in the congress and the senate anyway.

The only “dissension and controversy” which exists now is what surrounds the Republicans - their lack of credible or competent candidates, the Bush-Cheney holiday season until the federal election finally takes place, and the ever-worsening financial crisis as the nation’s infrastructure finally collapses around them.

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By jimijazz, August 15, 2007 at 8:36 am Link to this comment
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Right On, Sheer!  We definitely need more critical pieces on Hillary.

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By GB, August 15, 2007 at 8:20 am Link to this comment
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The military industrial complex is sucking our Democracy dry. Some months before Sept 11, 2001 for some reason Dick Cheney was put in charge of NORAD. One question New Yorkers might want to ask their Senator is why she is not pressing Dick Cheney to answer why he let airplanes make long turns for over a half hour torward their targets on Sept 11, 2001 when NORAD has the ability to respond in under 6 minutes. Also, why did 3 skyscrapers fall straight down into their foot print. Why was George Bush allowed to send a conventional army into Iraq to look for the terrorist he suspected perpetrated 911 when the person he suspected was hiding in Pakistan? These events lead to massive no bid contracts for the military industrial complex and Dick Cheney’s company Haliburton. Why aren’t we still asking these questions?

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By lilmamzer, August 15, 2007 at 8:19 am Link to this comment

#95072 by mackTN

In the YouTube debates, she declined to meet with hostile leaders for fear that would use her for propaganda and therefore rob the presidency of its dignity.  Weird.

Not weird.

Pragmatic. 

Think Chamberlain sucking up to Hitler and how much harm that did.

It’s not really dignity that would be lost, but the moral and political capital of the chief executive.

I bet you most Americans agree with Hillary on this one.

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By Louie, August 15, 2007 at 8:09 am Link to this comment
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Wow, you certainly stretched her statement out into a short story. All she said was that presidents shouldn’t make blanket statements.. and this is dangerous? I find it to be rather intelligent to not let potential enemies know your strategies. But obviously, Mr. Scheer, you seem to know what’s under Hillary’s blanket better than anyone..  hmmmm…

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By mackTN, August 15, 2007 at 8:04 am Link to this comment

Clinton was instantly booed at the AFL-CIO debates when she suggested in a manner reminiscent of Cheney that presidential candidates shouldn’t openly discuss their views on military and foreign matters.  In the YouTube debates, she declined to meet with hostile leaders for fear that would use her for propaganda and therefore rob the presidency of its dignity.  Weird.

After 4 years of Bush Sr, 8 yrs of Bush Jr, I am not ready for possibly 16 years of the Clintons. 

Most Americans would welcome a more open government that includes its citizens in the debates on our country’s agenda.  The notion that only the president and handpicked advisers can make decisions under shelter of executive privilege is not only frightening, it is anti-democratic.  A leader should not be afraid to include the people being led, and Hillary moreso than Bill has always taken a paranoid view of the public. 

The Republicans are counting on her to win the primary because they know they can beat her—hence the slow trickle of Republicans, most ominously Rove, from the White House.  They will tear her to pieces—as they always have with the Clintons—creating so much dissension and controversy around her that voters will not trust her to run the office.  And rightly so.  If she hadn’t been married to Bill, she wouldn’t even be Senator much less running for president.

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By jimijazz, August 15, 2007 at 8:00 am Link to this comment
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Absoulutely right Sheer. There has to be more critical pieces on Hillary especially on the progressive side. Does she really think she can out right-wing the right-wing when it comes to military options? It’s right-wing pandering plain and simple in spite of what you might hear from the Hillarites. This is the bottom line with Hillary. She will do absolutely anything to become president even if that means it’s destructive for the country.

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By mackTN, August 15, 2007 at 7:50 am Link to this comment

Oh, my word.  I had a hunch I’d find the two of you here.  Are you working for Hillary, trying to prevent any critical discussions of her actions? 

This must stop.

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By ocjim, August 15, 2007 at 7:33 am Link to this comment

I must admit that Hillary is troubling. The only thing that I have established is that she desperately wants to be president and that long discussions with her handlers have convinced her that she must be more militaristic than all the men. Many conservative forces have money behind her. This of course dictates her stands as well. But it is the same political truth. Program you campaign to maximize votes. Don’t let principles or integrity enter into the mix.

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By sharon ash, August 15, 2007 at 7:28 am Link to this comment
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Well, apparently, the use of the fear factor has worked so very well for Bush and the extreme right, that Mr. Scheer believes he now should borrow it to try and scare us about Hillary and the use of nuclear weapons, and the further expanding of the already bloated military powers in this country.  I will give him the benefit of the doubt and accept that he may honestly believe what he writes about in this article, but I sense a bit of manipulation every time an article about Hillary appears here.  If you detest the woman, just go ahead and own it, but stop trying to come up with, what I sense as manipulative methods for showing your dislike.  We are not going to have an “ideal” candidate for president on the Democratic party’s ticket for 2008, that is already obvious.  We can, however, have an electable candidate on the Democratic ticket in 2008 which is far more desirable than having a Republican.  (electable candidates can be defined as mainstream, as in Hillary and Obama whereas non-electable candidates can be defined as out of the mainstream, as in Kucinich and Gravel)

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By lilmamzer, August 15, 2007 at 6:03 am Link to this comment

#95006 by Douglas Chalmers

Once again, the old tactic of positioning yourself politically instead of taking a position of integrity, Scheer. So reprehensible!

That would explain why Scheer never ran an article about Hugo Chavez and his demolition of press freedoms in Venezuela. Scheer can’t bring himself to criticize the left’s poster-boy Dictator Du Jour.

“President Hugo Chavez is misusing the state’s regulatory authority to punish a media outlet for its criticism of the government. The move to shut down RCTV is a serious blow to freedom of expression in Venezuela.” - Jose Miguel Vivanco, Americas director at Human Rights Watch

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By lilmamzer, August 15, 2007 at 5:31 am Link to this comment

#95006 by Douglas Chalmers

Scheer - you’re pathetic!

Agreed - I’ve been saying this for a long time.
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Once again, the old tactic of positioning yourself politically instead of taking a position of integrity, Scheer. So reprehensible!

You go, Douglas. Scheer sets the tone for Truthdig.

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By Douglas Chalmers, August 15, 2007 at 12:36 am Link to this comment

Rubbish, Scheer - you’re pathetic! After having run that dishonest story by your assistant editor, Kasia Anderson ( http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20070811_kucinich_throws_down_the_gauntlet/  pages 1 + 2), you now want to find every misconstrued point and false issue to continue to derail people on what is really a very good nomination campaign by the Democrats’ “most experienced and most qualified person”.

Once again, the old tactic of positioning yourself politically instead of taking a position of integrity, Scheer. So reprehensible! You just can’t come to terms with the idea that a WOMAN will be the next PRESIDENT of the United States.

See the “Invisible” video at http://www.youtube.com/user/hillaryclintondotcom and know that you have failed, Scheer.

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