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Posted on Aug 14, 2007
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By Robert Scheer

What in the world was Sen. Hillary Clinton thinking when she attacked Sen. Barack Obama for ruling out the use of nuclear weapons in going after Osama bin Laden? And why aren’t her supporters more concerned about yet another egregious example of Clinton’s consistent backing for the mindless militarism that is dragging this nation to ruin? So what that she is pro-choice and a woman if the price of proving her capacity to be commander in chief is that we end up with an American version of Margaret Thatcher?

In response to the 9/11 hijackers, armed with weapons no more sophisticated than $3 box cutters, American military spending, with Senate Armed Services Committee member Clinton’s enthusiastic support, has catapulted beyond Cold War levels. Sen. Clinton has treated the military budget as primarily a pork-barrel target of opportunity for jobs and profit in New York state, supports increased money for missile defense and every other racket the military-industrial complex comes up with, and still feels no obligation to repudiate her vote for the disastrous Iraq war.

Given her sorry record of cheerleading the irrational post-Cold War military buildup, do we not have a right, indeed an obligation, to question whether Clinton is committed to creating a more peaceful world? Don’t say that we weren’t warned if a President Hillary Clinton further imperils our world, as she has clearly positioned herself as the leading hawk in the Democratic field. What other reason was there for first blasting Obama for daring to state that he would meet with foreign leaders whom Bush has branded as sworn enemies, and then for the attack on Obama’s very sensible statement that it would be “a profound mistake” to use nuclear weapons in Pakistan and Afghanistan in the attempt to eliminate bin Laden?

Isn’t that a no-brainer—or can Clinton conceive of an occasion where even the threat, let alone the actuality, of a nuclear attack in the immediate neighborhood of nuclear-armed Pakistan and India would send the right message? And what about the dangerous message of Clinton’s assault on Obama; “I don’t believe that any president should make any blanket statements with respect to the use or non-use of nuclear weapons.” Huh? Just exactly how does one make a compelling case to other nations against the proliferation of nuclear weapons when members of the nuke club, particularly the president of the one nation that has killed hundreds of thousands of people with two of these ungodly weapons, will not, at the very least, promise to abstain from first use of a weapon that could quite easily eliminate most life on this planet?

Of course Obama was right, and it was no different than Sen. Clinton’s statement in April 2006, when she said, “I would certainly take nuclear weapons off the table,” in relation to preventing Iran from developing such weapons. Back then, she recognized that nuclear weapons are weapons against civilization, not a means of ensuring its survival. “This administration has been very willing to talk about using nuclear weapons in a way we haven’t seen since the dawn of a nuclear age,” she said. “I think that’s a terrible mistake.” Yes, indeed—and Hillary’s supporters will no doubt insist that this statement reflects her true feelings on the matter and that “militarist Hillary” is just an act to get elected.

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Act or reality, it’s working. Pundits for the National Review, The Weekly Standard and other pro-war outlets have come to applaud Clinton. A host of political scientists and other campaign hustlers have also approved this image makeover; as a recent Boston Globe headline put it, “Tough talk drives Clinton effort: National security stance seen adding to image of strength.” One political scientist from Texas stated: “She’s come off as credible and serious on national defense—an issue that two years ago most of us would have thought would be a liability for her.” The Globe noted that “When Geraldine Ferraro was the Democratic candidate for vice president in 1984, she was dogged by questions about whether she could ‘push the button’ to launch an attack if the Cold War turned hot.” The paper then quoted Ferraro as saying that Clinton, whom she supports for president, has passed that test: “You can’t do that with Hillary Clinton. Hillary is in a totally different place.”

Great, so forget the hope that a woman president might prove to be more enlightened than macho men in the matter of peacemaking, and instead rest assured that Hillary would have the cojones to “push the button” that would kill us all. Once again, the old Clintonian tactic of triangulation: positioning oneself politically instead of taking a position of integrity.

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By Redhorse, April 24, 2012 at 4:39 pm Link to this comment
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she needs to continue to do what she has done so far—talk about the iseuss. I agree, but I’m hoping Obama wins so why would I want her to change her tactics.She does look slightly cranky in the first photo. Maybe she’s thinking, like in the AM radio promo, “Oh, dear. He’s black.” The black is always whispered.

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By Rosestar, January 17, 2008 at 4:16 pm Link to this comment
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Robert Sheer writes articles that questioning and insightful. This article points out very disturbing aspects of Hilary Clintons actions and responces.She has shown that she approves of the appalling militarism that has been promoted by the neoliberal agenda because that is what she is apart of and what she represents.People should ask her, that are able to during these primaries, if she supports keeping military bases in Iraq.Her answer will give you an idea of what she is really about.Also, why has she accepted contributions from the corporate military complex.

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By Leefeller, August 22, 2007 at 8:27 am Link to this comment

Hillary,

Is walking hand in hand with Big Business, special interests, the fact that people think they count to the likes of them show nativity extreme.

Corporations protecting their interests feel only they know and should make decisions that count. You are consumers.

The subtle changes between the Democrats and the Republicans will be smoke and mirrors, just to make you feel so good.  We are being sold a bill of goods, like it not, we do not count.

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By Douglas Chalmers, August 22, 2007 at 4:47 am Link to this comment

#96170 by Leefeller on 8/21 at 10:25 am
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I suspect you are flattering yourself and that you should have stayed in the Christopher Hitchins’ topic, Leefeller. Many other folks have been knocked off re wayward comments and they haven’t been as crude or distateful as some/many of yours.

A few things seem to have changed in Truthdig, as of late.  Some topics do not get the limelight and other do, but as we have heard, there’s ” a storm in a D-cup” at the Candidate Behind the Cleavage topic http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20070725_the_candidate_behind_the_cleavage/

You seem to have made your own bed, now you will have to lie in it, Leefeller.  After all this is Sheer’s house so you should stay on topic, eh!?!? What a better way to put Karl Rove in his place than this, though? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FGFeUIj-Cw&mode=user&search;=
Hillary: “I don’t think Karl Rove’s going to endorse me….... but I find it interesting he’s so obsessed with me”

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By Leefeller, August 21, 2007 at 11:25 am Link to this comment

Douglas,

Your attacks on Scheer, could be the reason for being blacklisted, but I suspect you are flattering yourself.

Believe and hope Sheer to above that.  Many other folks have been knocked off they just have not yelled as loud as you.

A few things seem to have changed in Truthdig, as of late.  Some topics do not get the limelight and other do, but as we have heard, “when in Rome do as the Romens do”.

Doug, you seem to have made your own bed, suspect you will have to lie in it. 

After all this is Sheer’s house!

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By Douglas Chalmers, August 21, 2007 at 7:26 am Link to this comment

#96053 by Dan Uu Noel on 8/20 at 5:49 pm: “...My comment (#95306) went blank. Why was it removed?
Was it because some glitch polluted the blog?
Was it because 2 participants commented on it, and fairly approvingly at that?
Was it because it criticized one important premise of Robert Scheer’s reasoning…”

Could it be due to a lack of courtesy of the blog moderator or that they were actually on the stuff last week and that he/she “pushed the button”? Apart from that, Scheer + Swarzenegger both begin with an “S”  - so too do stormtrooper and suspicious, duh.

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By Paracelsus, August 20, 2007 at 10:29 pm Link to this comment

@ #96102 by mackTN

Please define spoiling. What comments do you consider spoiling?

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By mackTN, August 20, 2007 at 10:24 pm Link to this comment

Finally, Truthdig is doing some moderating and determining identities of those whose intent is to spoil its site for its readers. 

You didn’t really think you’d continue to get away with this, did you?

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By Paracelsus, August 20, 2007 at 9:39 pm Link to this comment

Please look at Hillary’s connection to the murders of two teenagers near Mena, Arkansas.

Suicided Teenage Boys

If you are liberal, please consider that your country has been controlled by a criminal elite for decades. If you are a Republican, please consider that your country has been ruled by a criminal elite for decades. This isn’t about fellatio. It is about a criminal conspiracy carried on by Bushes and and Clintons.

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By Leefeller, August 20, 2007 at 8:12 pm Link to this comment

Have had the same problem, with posts not getting posted.

Maybe Truthdig is being taken over by Murdoc?

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By Robert, August 20, 2007 at 7:55 pm Link to this comment
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WHAT IS GOING ON AT TRUTHDIG? COMMENTS ARE BEING REMOVED ON MANY SITES AND/OR FORUMS?

ON SOME SITES / ARTICLES, COMMENTS ARE NOT BEING POSTED AT ALL…EVEN FOR REGISTERED READERS.

WILL SOMEONE FROM TRUTHDIG EXPLAIN THE FACTS AND WHAT IS GOING ON TO THE READERS.

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By Vita libertas, August 20, 2007 at 7:39 pm Link to this comment
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Oh No!, not another thinly “disguised” Clintonista beltway blog… that would be censorship central!

There must be 1,000 blogs w/catchy “democratic-sounding names—like yours, all funded/supported and/or promoted by Clintonomics Foul-Play, NAFTA-Follies.

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By Dan Uu Noel, August 20, 2007 at 6:49 pm Link to this comment

My comment (#95306) went blank. Why was it removed?

Was it because some glitch polluted the blog?

Was it because 2 participants commented on it, and fairly approvingly at that?

Was it because it criticized one important premise of Robert Scheer’s reasoning?

Could it be due to a lack of courtesy or use of profane language?

Re-reading my contribution, as well as the repetition of most of it by Douglas Chalmers (#95334), none of these explanations makes much sense.

Any clue, anybody?

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By Happy Rockefeller, August 20, 2007 at 5:54 pm Link to this comment
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What’s gossip?

That she’s head of the “India Causus?
That she was a board member of Walmart, and a proponant of outsourcing jobs while there?
That she and Billy gave Tyson breaks, and in return they financed campaigns…including hers
That she lobbied for an FALN pardon so she could corner the hispanic vote in New York in her first election?

Nah that’s not gossip, that’s fact!

check for yourself!

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By john polifronio, August 20, 2007 at 4:02 pm Link to this comment
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Maybe the reason Truthdig is not making more of a case against Hillary is that nearly everthing you believe against Hillary is nothing but pure gossip, exaggeration and lies, and Truthdig knows that.

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By spidey, August 20, 2007 at 11:59 am Link to this comment

How come Truthdig isn’t commenting on that BS debate where people like Dennis Kucinich get ignored in favor of all Hilary all the time? Stephanopoulos & ABC can stick it. Hil & Obama are going to lead to the election of another republican president. Let’s hope the dems kick tail in the House & Senate.

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By Jonas South, August 20, 2007 at 10:33 am Link to this comment
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Thank you, Godsend, for the link.  (post 95896)  Some of the quotes were alluded to by Finklestein in his excellent book, Beyond Chuzpah. To read the words in the quotes should send a chill down the spine of any just person, but more so for North American voters. With so much information available so readily, showing how we got to where we are today, continued support for AIPAC-fed politicians such as Hillary make cynics of us all: we can no longer claim ignorance.

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By omop, August 20, 2007 at 9:36 am Link to this comment

Lefty:

      Your hatred for Arabs, if justified can also justify any hatred that any one can have towards you.

      While two hatreds do not make a right. If you have the right to vent your hatred everybody else has an equal right as you.

      If thats what you are gonna espouse then do not whine about the response.

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By Robert, August 19, 2007 at 8:32 pm Link to this comment

Comment #95923 by lefty “ephraim/pesach” on 8/19

Lefty-ephraim, your zionist name;

Your zionist propaganda has NOT worked for you & your zionist cause on TRUTHDIG. You are still resorting to those pathetic zionist tactics of trying to label anyone who criticizes your beloved “Terrorist State of Israel” as anti-semitic, Islamist, Arabs…etc…

Your zionist methods are getting exposed on the internet everyday and the truth about your deceptive terrorist state of Israel is getting out there for the American people to see.

You can keep calling and labeling Chris hedges and I   with your “worn out” zionist methods. They do NOT work. Chris Hedges is an excellent factual writer.  He dares to writeand expose the truth about your Israeli murderers, the killers of 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15 year old Palestinian children. As you know, the Israeli killers NEVER have to spend one hour in prison for murdering a 9 year old Palestinian little girl.

Lefty-ephraim/pesach…you can come out from behind your IDF skirt. We all know that you are a fanatic zionist zealot. Your type will murder an Arab/Palestinian child and never feel any remorse.

Your evil zionism is wrong. Your Israel is sucking our American blood dry.

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By morgan-lynn grigggs lamberth, August 19, 2007 at 3:27 pm Link to this comment
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Triangulation is just the golden mean.That is a matter of principle!  Where to draw the line is the problem.Hillary Diane will get the nomination and voters will see her as commander-in- chief.She is not Shrub; she would not bomb Iran as he might yet do.

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By GodSend, August 19, 2007 at 11:51 am Link to this comment

There is an excellent ‘Zionism for Dummies’ post at

http://xymphora.blogspot.com

The 27 quotes provide an excellent insight into some of the folks who pull H. Clinton’s strings (Israeli and American Zionists - like Haim Saban).

Would you trust someone to run America who gets embedded with Satanists?

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By Susan L. Rapp, August 19, 2007 at 10:43 am Link to this comment
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While it is comforting to note that Obama stated he would not use Nuclear Weapons while delivering a major Foreign Policy speech recently, the next day he made a remark that could be akin to a “Freudian Slip”:

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In an interview with the Associated Press today, Barack Obama said he would not use nuclear weapons “in any circumstance” to fight terrorism in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

“I think it would be a profound mistake for us to use nuclear weapons in any circumstance,” Mr. Obama said, with a pause, “involving civilians.” Then he quickly added, “Let me scratch that. There’s been no discussion of nuclear weapons. That’s not on the table.”Unquote

So which Mr. Obama was talking when he made the above statement?  Dr. Jekyll Obama, or Mr. Hyde Obama?

Should we risk allowing him to become President to find out?

Vote KUCINICH for President 2008!

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By john polifronio, August 19, 2007 at 3:06 am Link to this comment
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“Logician” is certainly entitled to his contempt for religion, though I wouldn’t put it in such hateful language.  The problem with religion, is the same as it is with all other manifestations of basic human intellectual laziness. Religion takes an infant who has, in all probability, been raised by parents that wish to give to the world, in their child, a new, intellectually gifted being, instead, within a few years, when the unfortunate child reaches about the age of four, and is inevitably exposed to religion of one brand or another, we end up with a creature with an ever more narrow and stultified brain and consciousness, until, finally, he’s incapable of an original thought, not out of fear of authority, but because he’s been rendered brain dead by the rigidly enforced dictums of his religious faith.  And unless something happens to at least slightly redirect the child’s thinking in a more independent direction, he becomes devoid of the ability to think altogether, and can only remember.  So that he can accumulate knowledge, but can’t do anything useful with it, unless it’s in conformity with the imbecilities forced on him by his religion.

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By Logician, August 18, 2007 at 11:12 pm Link to this comment

Re#95814 by Paracelsus on 8/18 at 2:11 pm:

You DO realize that “GodSend” is a pseudonym for a performance artist, don’t you?  There is no such creature, it is the invention of a superior artist highlighting the incredible filth of Christianity. EVERY word written by this man is designed to show the reader that applying Christianity to anything leads only to the suffering, death and destruction only religious stupidity can bring.

Didn’t the reading list he gave in post #95693 clue you in?  This reading list is a king’s ransom of kooks, charlatans and just plain freaks.  This is the brilliance of “GodSend”.  His work is so subtle he even has a reference list.  He is no lightweight mocker.

What you learn from “GodSend” (even his name is a satire on the pure scum that is religion) is that there is no longer any place for the stupidity of religion in the geopolitical sphere, let alone the personal.

His fantastic take on the hatred of Jews for Muslims, Muslims for Jews and Christians for nearly everybody on the planet is just too accurate to be ignored.  His take on the pervert Jesus is even better.  To take a mythical character and imbue it with such power as to justify hating, torturing and killing human beings is the worst aspect of the disgusting filth of any religion and “GodSend” throws that aspect into stark relief in his writings.

Unfortunately his exaggeration is not far off the mark.  Even cursory research will show that the incredibly detailed satirical site Novalight.org is not far from the mark of the hypocritical homosexual organization masquerading under the name “Sons of Light”.  Notice his clue that the writing is satire: a picture of the proven fraudulent ‘Shroud of Turin’ at the end of the ‘revelations’.  Of course, the Warner Brothers cartoon icon at the very begining SHOULD be enough of a clue that the entire site is a sendup of such shit as the obscene ‘Westboro Baptist Church Home Page’.

Anyway, read “GodSends” posts closely.  They are wonderful examples of how with just a little bit of humor one can expose the absolute idiocy that is religion.  His work is inspired, and I’m sure he’ll stay in character and say no less than “inspired by God” a sign of sheer genius.

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By THE MANGEMEISTER, August 18, 2007 at 9:15 pm Link to this comment

Great posts Robert!

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By Robert, August 18, 2007 at 8:52 pm Link to this comment

Comment #95820 by mackTN on 8/18 at 3:07 pm

mackTN…One wonders what happened to all the many billions of $$$ dollars from Iraq’s oil sales for the past 4.5 years.

The US military is in total control of all the oil supplies and sales. Where did the oil revenues go?

There has never been any oil shortages. It was just a scheme to get those oil prices up in order to bring in more revenues to support the Iraqi war.

That US military base / embassy…its all CIA/complex and control of the oil supplies. Bush and his many club members are getting fat and filthy rich, while the American taxpayers are footing the huge massive war bills and the loss of their loved ones.

BTW, when Saudi Arabia and the other oil producing states in the ME buy American made weapons, these countries pay the total bills of sale. They also supply all the gasoline and jet fuel for the war.

Unlike Israel…the $3-5 billions of annual US aid to this state with massive “WMD” stockpiles, all the American aid is a gift from the American taxpayers. No restrictions and no questions asked on the aid to Israel.

The Israelis tell us to just give them their damn money and to stay the hell out of their damn business.

Just think about what all that aid that goes to Israel…non-stop every year. Just think what if it were spent here in America on our dilapidated and falling bridges, our schools/education system, jobs, environment, Medicare, Social Security, highways/roads, and much more!

There are NO shortages of oil…mackTN!

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By Robert, August 18, 2007 at 7:42 pm Link to this comment

Comment #95840 by lefty-ephraim on 8/18

LEFTY-EPHRAIM, YOUR ZIONIST NAME;

What’s the matter lefty-ephraim/pesach…can’t you comment about Judaism?

Your propaganda zionist organization bosses will not allow you to comment about Judaism, but they want you to keep spewing your zionist filth about Christianity & Islam.

Why don’t you come out from behind that IDF skirt and give us a truthful response? Is it possible for your you?

Is it easier for you to just evade the question(s) and just sidetrack the topic?

Does the truth about your zionist Apartheid Israel hurt you and your zionist type?

Dave Lindorff’s article on “US Military Aid to Israel” on Counterpunch.org, is really a great one. There is a lot of truth to it. Truth that we won’t see or hear on our AIPAC controlled news networks. 

Your bloody Israel is the largest parasite; it is sucking our American blood dry.

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By Leefeller, August 18, 2007 at 6:26 pm Link to this comment

Subitle differences between Hillary and the Republicans is almost equal to the Leberman agenda and his bull.  What is going on with the imbciles in Washington?

Lets see the Repbulicans gave a debate on what is the correct way to use torture, the Democrats are talking about when the right time is to push the button.

Well, we have been told impeachment is off the table, now it seems peace is off the table too!

Kuchinich and Gravel are the only two candiates with any integrity and believe in peace or vote the other way and just follow the money.

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By GodSend, August 18, 2007 at 5:28 pm Link to this comment

Paracelsus:

But to couple denial of the divinity of Jesus with the culpability for his death is a grave error.

What does ‘couple’ mean? The Jews of Christ’s time (the religious leaders) enticed support from ordinary Jews to torture Him and send Him to the Cross - and release the murderer Barrabas instead of Jesus. The main reason they condemned Him is because He claimed to be God. “I and the Father are One”. Are today’s Jews responsible for Christ’s death? Not directly - but there is such a thing as inherited sin. Not only that, the ordinary Jews called down His blood upon the heads of their children - future generations. So in that sense all Jews are ‘guilty’ - collectively and individually. To the extent that Jews (or anyone else) deny the Deity of Christ, they are still blind (or rebellious). Remember that their own prophet, Isaiah, among others, prophesied the coming of the Messiah (Christ) and described Him very accurately in Isaiah 53! They are without excuse. Some Jews today openly declare their hatred of Christ and say that they would condemn Him again, just like their forefathers did. Most just avoid the issue.

Christ said that He IS God - and He proved it - if you can understand the proof. Raising someone from the dead is not your run-of-the-mill miracle! Know anyone else who claimed/claims to have done that and proved it?

You SEE, it’s like this: Some Jews acknowledge that Jesus is their Messiah and the Son of God. They interpret their Torah correctly (about the identity of Yeshua). It’s not that difficult. What makes it difficult for most (ready?), is their leaders standing in the way. They want to retain their status and privileged position - just like their predecessors! wink And the Zionists are intentionally confusing matters. The more things change, the more they remain the same, huh?!

There is a prophecy in Ezekiel (22) where Yahweh announces His plans for the ‘rebellious house of Israel’. There is NO question that the Zionist and Rogue State of Israel is that ‘rebellious house’. They are deliberately and defiantly breaking every rule in the ‘Book’! wink

If you’re not walking in the Light (a Follower of Christ), you’re walking in Darkness. God made it very simple to understand. smile

Walking in Darkness is the grave error - pun intended! Don’t make that grave error! wink Christ said “Seek and you WILL find” (Him). His promises were 1st made to the Jews. smile He keeps His promises.

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By omop, August 18, 2007 at 4:42 pm Link to this comment

Does anyone on this forum or for that matter any homo sapiens on this planet in possession of the absolute truth asked Krusty the Clown from no one in particular. Continuing he made the following suggestion.

“So whenever a Christian, Bhuddist, Bahai, Hindu, Jew, Muslim etc,. claims that he/she is closer to the Real Creator or is endowed with a special standing by orders of a Universal God and therefore truer, goodlier and better than you challenge them to take all their clothes off and you do the same”.

If one side refuses to take their clothes off just hang your tongue out as far as possible. If on the other hand thats too risque for you all if male undress down to skivvies and if female undress the upper torso.

Such acts are great ice breakers and may lead to actions and reactions that have nothing to do with religious beliefs but have been practiced since Cain and Able as well as their equivalents in other beliefs made out with the “girls in the next garden”..

To summarize Hillary’s predicament then: If she gets to be President and starts pushing buttons, other Presidents, Prime Ministers, Chairmen will start doing the same.

Thereby getting whoever is left standing on the planet back to the Cain and Able days of making out with the girls next door.

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By mackTN, August 18, 2007 at 4:07 pm Link to this comment

Robert—Does it appear that we are arming the MidEast—Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Israel?  And, of course, let’s not forget our new country, Iraq.  We’ve just built a $30 billion base—uh, embassy—there.  State of the art.  Reliable always-on air conditioning and electricity. 

Do you think this was built with the Iraqui oil revenues that Bush said would finance this occupation?

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By Robert, August 18, 2007 at 3:45 pm Link to this comment

Comment #95788 by lefty “ephraim-pesach” on 8/18

Lefty-ephraim, your zionist name…you are still wagging your tail & flapping your zionist jaws out of that stall.

You keep spewing your evil zionist propaganda and your hatred for Christianity & the Islamic religions, but you haven’t told us what you think about Judaism as a religion. Why?

Why don’t you tell us what you think of Judaism?

Why don’t you come out from behind your IDF skirt?

Just keep flapping your zionist gums out of your IDF murderers humanity department stall…lefty-ephraim/pesach!

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By Paracelsus, August 18, 2007 at 3:11 pm Link to this comment

The Perfect Reason for Wanting a Secular Society

John 5:15 - 5:18

So, because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jews persecuted him. Jesus said to them, “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I, too, am working.” For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal to God.

In a society where the king works with the Pope, there can be no peace, for the Church must have its auto da fe’s to purify the faith. Springtime is the worst season to be a Jew in a theistic society. Napolean may have led a band of merry rapists to pillage through Europe, but at least the Pope was put
in his place, and Jews could live in some peace.
Hitler recreated a theistic society to carry out some of the programs of the Pope. One of these goals was to route out heresy through inquisitions. The Nuremberg laws did much to satisfy the Pope.

In substance the New Testament has evolved to be an indictment of Jews for all time. It is ridiculous for this to be so as Jews are multitudinous in their views and opinions. The first Messiahnists, Christians, were Jews. But to couple denial of the divinity of Jesus with the culpability for his death is a grave error. Indeed young children had been taught that to sin is to increase the suffering of God. By this yard stick, who could increase the suffering in the present tense of Jesus greater than someone who denies his apotheosis? Quelle dilemna! I though he has already died.

I say all this, not with any aim to provide Judaism a greater halo by comparison, for it is full of its own lunacies. Should I ask a female police officer if she is menstruating before I roll down my car window?

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By mackTN, August 18, 2007 at 2:59 pm Link to this comment

Virginia says—

“She has stated repeatedly that she and others were misled and we must remember the climate of fear that prevailed on the east coast during that time. “

True.  But many others in Congress came to different conclusions based on available, documented reports at the time. 

We would hope our leaders would not be so susceptible to fear in times of crisis.  We elect them to do the work, ask tough questions, cooly appraise the evidence under pressure. 

Too bad she didn’t consult Barack Obama to ask why he was not falling in line behind Bush.  At the time, he and others had to suffer the hostility of being called unpatriotic, weak on defense, naive….

Still, he and others held their ground seeing a gross discrepancy among the information they were being fed. 

If others in Congress had voted like he did, perhaps we wouldn’t be Iraq today.  I for one will vote for someone who will not rush into war based on flawed evidence.  Therefore, I won’t ever vote for Hillary.

Yes, she’s done good work with women and children.  And I give her credit for helping Bill with his career.  But I don’t vote based on “honor by association,” or because she handled adultery with dignity.  Our current president was elected only because he is the offspring of a former president, when you get down to it.  I surely hope this country does not repeat this same error in judgement.

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By GodSend, August 18, 2007 at 2:58 pm Link to this comment

PS to Paracelsus:

Holy Scripture documents the reality of Christ - a supernatural reality. It is a guide to God and Salvation. That makes it FAR MORE than just a guide to morality! smile The most moral person will not obtain eternal Life with God unless he/she has been purified by the blood of Christ - and that requires a conscious decision to accept Christ’s gift and a decision to try to become like Him! A Billy Graham-like ‘decision for Christ’ and lip service just aren’t good enough! The Self must be willingly sacrificed, day by day, until we attain to the full stature and measure of Christ. That’s not something we can accomplish on our own.

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By GodSend, August 18, 2007 at 2:43 pm Link to this comment

Paracelsus:

“I and the Father are One”

Is that difficult to understand?

“No one comes to the Father except through Me”

Is that difficult to understand?

Those 2 statements are difficult to reconcile if you use human reasoning.

Christ performed many miracles and raised Lazarus from the dead!

What could that mean? Know anyone else who performed such supernatural miracles? Go back and read the earlier posts from T. Austin-Sparks.

Remember, it requires God-given spiritual understanding to understand Holy Scripture. Human reason only is useful AFTER spiritual understanding has been obtained. Are you a Follower of Christ? Analyzing Holy Scripture with only your intellect is a VAIN activity. Theologians who are not true Christians will not ‘get it’ until they become Followers of Christ. You can’t just ‘decide’ to become a Follower of Christ - God’s intervention (Grace) is necessary! Read T. Austin-Sparks’ speeches, sermons and articles about the ‘natural’ man vs the ‘spiritual’ man. God willing, you will finally begin to SEE! Christ and Holy Scripture in an entirely new Light! wink What appears to your ‘natural’ mind and reason as a contradiction becomes clear as day when SEEn in spiritual Light - really!

Also read ‘The Life’ on my website (near the end).

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By Paracelsus, August 18, 2007 at 12:25 pm Link to this comment

@ #95713 Godsend

You will find at the end of Mathew a passage about the saints being revived and coming into the city.

Mathew 27:51 - 27:53 in reference to the Death of Jesus. “The saints leaving their graves, and coming into the City”. I think this is where I drew the humorous picture of smelly corpses coming to life and walking into Jerusalem.

Oh! When the Saints come marching in! I wanna be in the their number! Oh! When the Saints…

I am familiar with the list of anti-Zionists you posted. One of them Texe Mars had a picture of GW Bush with a giant Talmud in his hand. The problem is that that picture is from a Jewish website that photoshoppped the picture as a joke! Jews can do humor alright! Guffaw! Anyway that Texe Mars was too
distracted, I suppose, to vet the pic out. I like how you differentiate “Jews for Jesus” from Jews, who are Son of Darkness.

I would like to remind you that Jesus spoke at length about not making him into a God.

“My father if greater then I.” John 14:2

“Why callest thou me good?  There is none good but one, that is God” Mathew 19:17

Now I am really confused here:

“If Jesus bears witness of himself his witness is true” John 8:14, “If I bear witness of myself it is not true.”  John 5:31

What???

I would hate condemn anybody of being a Child of Darkness, when the epistles are so logically inconsistent. Yes, there are soaring moments of lyricism in the Bible, but I don’t want to use it as a perfected ethical guide. The Nicomachean Ethics seem a safer object of study of morality for the young than much of the Bible.

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By Leefeller, August 18, 2007 at 11:43 am Link to this comment

If more people were aware of what a fascist government looked like, then they would see what was really in the mirror.

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By Robert, August 18, 2007 at 11:32 am Link to this comment

Weekend Edition

August 18 / 19, 2007

US Military Aid to Israel Tops $30 Billion
Tossing Fuel on a Fire

By DAVE LINDORFF

According to a new Associated Press report, the US is offering Israel a record $30-billion 10-year military aid package.

Let’s ignore for a moment the AP story’s irony-free comment that “Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs Nicholas Burns said the package was meant to back peace-seeking countries like Israel and moderate Arab states in the region to counter U.S. adversaries such as Iran.” (Israel is a “peace-seeking” country?) We’ll just focus on the amount of money that’s being promised here.

Israel is a land of only 6 million people. That works out to about $5000 in arms aid per man, woman and child, and of course, since nearly a third of the people in Israel are Palestinian, and won’t see a penny’s (or bullet’s) worth of that aid, it’s really closer to $7500 per person. And remember, this is no basket case nation; this is one of the most technologically developed and wealthiest countries on earth we’re talking about here.

Looked at another way, this aid to Israel represents a gift of $100 worth of money and weaponry from every man, woman and child in America to the people of Israel.

Think about that the next time you are scraping together the money to make your next mortgage payment or rent check.

Then think about the additional $20 billion that the U.S. is offering to the so-called “moderate” Arab states around Israel, by which we mean Saudi Arabia (you know, the country that gave us most of the 9-11 bombers and that is the prime country of origin of the foreign fighters we hear so much about in Iraq attacking US troops), Jordan and Egypt. the US has to offer that military aid if it’s going to give weapons to Israel, or risk losing the friendship of those countries.

So that’s $50 billion in weapons aid to a region that is a perpetual powderkeg. It makes about as much sense as giving a gift of matches and lighters to a rehab center full of pyromaniacs and convicted arsonists.

Viewed another way, the new military aid to Israel, which represents a 25 percent increase over last year (a reward for Israel’s brutal and pointless invasion of Lebanon, perhaps?), which comes to about $3 billion per year, is ten times the entire US aid budget to fight AIDS in Africa.

So not only is this aid offer stupid in the extreme, giving Israel no reason whatsoever to work to achieve some kind of just and abiding settlement with its neighbors and with the Palestinians inside and outside its borders, but it’s immoral for the reason that it shortchanges those who really need the aid.

I mean, this military aid to Israel is also equal to or greater than all US aid to Latin America, Africa and the Caribbean region.

But the news isn’t all bad. At least in Latin America and the Caribbean, Venezuela is picking up the slack (and the rewards in terms of public acclaim) by providing the aid that the US is skimping on while it bankrolls Israel’s war machine.

Is this how you want your tax dollars used?

http://www.counterpunch.org/lindorff08182007.html

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By john polifronio, August 18, 2007 at 2:09 am Link to this comment
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Virginia
Hillary’s far ahead at this point, but if she’s to have a chance of winning the presidency, we’re going to have to fight for her, with all he resources at our disposal.
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By virginia Rogalsky, August 17, 2007 at 9:21 pm Link to this comment
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Yet another attack on Hillary.  To compare her with Margaret Thatcher is just ludicrous.  Hillary has spent her whole life working to be in a position of power, which is the only way one can really influence policy.  You can accuse her of ambition, but since when is that a bad thing?

You want her to grovel and apologize for the vote to authorize the president’s response to the 9/11 attacks.  The right wing would like nothing better than for her to apologize, for then they could truly attack her for weakness.  She has stated repeatedly that she and others were misled and we must remember the climate of fear that prevailed on the east coast during that time.

How can you set aside all Hillary’s efforts around the world on behalf of women and children?  She is known and loved everywhere.  Margaret Thatcher would never hold such a place in people’s hearts.

HIllary would not take us into war and would never use nuclear weapons.  As one of her supporters I do believe that the April 2006 statement is her position on the use of such weapons.

Since she is leading in the polls, the other candidates will step up their attacks on her.  I hope you will be as critical of them then as you are of her.  I admire her dedication, her political smarts, the political organization she has formed, and her vast experience and I hope to see her sworn in as the President of the United States in January 2009.

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By GodSend, August 17, 2007 at 8:18 pm Link to this comment

Paracelsus:

I’m not aware of Jesus doing this: revive a graveyard of corpses, only later to lead them into downtown Jerusalem in the light of day Source?

I think it is more important for people to adhere to the message of Jesus than to the resurrection belief.

What you think (above) is not corroborated by Holy Scripture. Jesus told His disciples about His coming Resurrection. ‘Important’ to whom? Christ’s key ‘message’ was Christ, Himself! Read the explanation of the essence of Christianity that I posted here earlier (from T. Austin-Sparks). The most ‘important’ component of Christ’s ‘message’ is personal Salvation through Him! His Resurrection is the demonstration of His victory over Sin, Satan and Death - there is NOTHING more important. smile Jesus did not come to make human society more ‘livable’!

Zionism, itself, is a terrible enemy to all Jews.

You are correct! smile Why can’t they SEE that (or admit it)?

I agree with your last paragraph. The issue is NOT anti-Semitism - it is anti-ZIONISM! The historic plight of the ordinary Jew (and even many of present-day Jews) is NOT justified. The current problem is that Zionists conspired to create the State of Israel (against the will of Yahweh, according to Neturei Karta and other Jews), while murdering, intimidating or otherwise persecuting the Palestinians who occupied the land they coveted (and still covet) - and that’s not even considering the ‘Greater Israel’ boundaries. The actions of Israel and its leaders are those of Satanists (evil). The list of offenses against humanity, Palestinians, goyim and God is too long to enumerate here.

One more thing about the Sons of Darkness. They include not only worshipers of Satan (including Zionists) but also those who cannot (or will not) SEE the Light! Who IS the Light? Jesus the Christ IS the Light - and the Life (and the Way and the Truth). Denial of the Divinity of Christ (assault on the ‘Sonship’ of Christ) is the common denominator of the Sons of Darkness! Judaism leads the way in that regard (still) and has since the Jewish leaders of His time decided (by popular acclaim of the Jews) to have Him crucified.

Salvation of the Jew and of the Gentile is (still) the mission of the Followers of Christ. Even those Jews who deny the Deity of Christ do not deserve persecution! ( nor do any other ‘deniers’ ). The Gospel is preached. Let those who have ears to hear, hear! Jesus told Nicodemus (a rich Jew) what he had to do: “Sell all you have, give to the poor and follow Me”. He didn’t twist Nicodemus’ arm to follow Him - why should anyone else twist anyone’s arm to follow Him?! Here is Christ (and His message)! Take it or leave it. That’s all. With God’s Amazing Grace, people can ‘take it’! wink

Can you find any hate in this?

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By Paracelsus, August 17, 2007 at 6:16 pm Link to this comment

@ #95693 by GodSend

I don’t think people who “deny the Divinity” of Jesus are Sons of Darkness. Some people find it hard to believe that a dead man could rise out of his tomb and then revive a graveyard of corpses, only later to lead them into downtown Jerusalem in the light of day. I think it is more important for people to adhere to the message of Jesus than to the resurrection belief. What good is it to have belief in the Nicene creed as presided over by a Roman emperor if we have to accuse unbelievers of being Sons of Darkness? The Jesus resurrection creed wasn’t even taught by Jesus. Jesus himself was referred to as the Son of Man in the Letters. Then there were Arian, Coptic, and Greek Christians who had different ideas over the Divinity issue.

As to the Jews, most of them don’t even know much about the Babylonian Talmud.  I have it on rabbinical authority that the Talmud referred to is the 19th century edition.

Zionism, itself, is a terrible enemy to all Jews.

I do recognize that usury of 40% interest can be a cause for medieval Christians to want to throttle the nearest Jew around them. But it was displaced rage, and it did hurt many innocent Jews out of all proportion to the injury. The vast majority of Jews in Eastern Europe lived lives of crushing poverty. I had tried to examine how strong the case of anti-Semites was, and I had found that a Jew can be hated and injured out of much displaced rage. That realization scared me silly. I would rather see a society punish most severely only the direct perpetrator of financial ruin. I would rather see 10 Rothschilds in the dockets for financial chicanery, than whole villages of dirt poor Jews shot and thrown into ditches. I wish Kissinger could be in the Court of the Hague than to see 1000’s of impoverished Russian Jews punished for his sake.

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By Logician, August 17, 2007 at 5:34 pm Link to this comment

Re#(5669 by Non Credo on 8/17 at 11:09 am:

No problem.  After forty-two years of religious studies in all cultures, one has trouble getting the nauseating stench of magical thinking out of one’s nose, eh?  The raping of little boys, the murdering of little girls, the genital mutilation of both little boys and girls in the “Name of God” is so disgusting, so vile, that any human alive who can in any way participate in, endorse, or even tacitly tolerate religion IN ANY FORM is simply not evolved.

That is why I am so tickled with “GodSend”.  To see such humor in an admittedly humorless subject as hating and killing everyone not like one’s self is the mark of true genius.  Did you catch this last post: #95635?

In it, “GodSend” demonstrates how Christians, because they have NO MORAL, ETHICAL, OR EVIDENTIARY claim to ANYTHING but the most REPREHENSIBLE of human characteristics, can do no better in ANY debate than to draw infantile pictures of more evolved humans and consider this an appropriate response. 

Because there is absolutely NO evidence WHATSOEVER for the existence of the alleged pervert, Jesus, NO Christian can respond intelligently to ANY question about their belief system.  They MUST, by fiat, respond at an emotional level only, for there can be no higher order response for what does not exist.  This is why a Christian can bang a little boy up the butt, suck another man off, snort drugs, etc, and still consider himself ‘above’ others and make up puerile names about those who dare to point out his filthy hyposcrisy.

That’s why “GodSend” is so precious to humanity.  By taking this abject shit at face value and applying it to the real world, he so clearly exposes it for all to see.  He obviously hates Christianity far more than even I do, as his contempt for it oozes from every single line, yet the form is kept intact.  Brilliant writing!  Wonderful satire!  “GodSend” even keeps the stupidstition about the value of names, a stupid tradition dating back to early Zoroastrianism and carried over by the perverts of the early Catholic church.  His encyclopedic knowledge of his object of utter hatred and contempt is, to use the vastly overdone word, awesome.

So, boogie on, “GodSend”.  You are a ‘lighthouse’ shining a beacon of truth upon the ultimate shit that is Christianity.  We all thank you!

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By GodSend, August 17, 2007 at 5:00 pm Link to this comment

MackTN:

Your question reveals ignorance of the distinction between Zionism and Judaism. Zionists are HIGHLY motivated to maintain this confusion, having gone to great lengths to create it in the 1st place.

You need to educate yourself about the important differences between Zionism and Judaism. Here are some websites that will enlighten you on this topic:

JewsAgainstZionism
JewsForJesus
“Zionism: The Real Enemy of the Jews” (book by Alan Hart and website)
Ziopedia
Novalight.org (illustrated Guide to the Universe)
Neturei Karta International (Torah rabbis equate Zionism with Nazism)
TheTruthSeeker
SaveTheMales (Henry Makow, PhD)
WhatReallyHappened (good site about Zionism and Israel, even though M. Rivero is an atheist)
ConspiracyPenPal (good analysis of Zionism and Israel, even though Edgar J. Steele is anti-Semitic)
IAmTheWitness (Christopher Bollyn)
LastTrumpetMinistries (Pastor David J. Meyer)
TexeMarrs (Power of Prophecy)

There are MANY more such websites - study them ALL and you will learn A LOT about Zionism and Judaism - not to mention a host of other ‘goodies’!

Finally, at the end of this post is an excellent website which explains why true Followers of Christ are not great fans of Zionism OR Judaism. Many so-called ‘Christians’ under the CUI umbrella (Christians United for Israel) are unwitting supporters of a Rogue State (Israel) whose faith (Judaism) not only denies the Deity of Jesus the Christ but has some VERY nasty things to say about Jesus and His Followers.

Zionists, as you will find out, are not Jews but worship Satan in “The Synagogue of Satan”.

There are MANY Messianic Jews who recognize Jesus the Christ as their Messiah (God)! Christians and Messianic Jews love one another as true brethren of faith in Yeshua (Yahweh Yahushua).

There is no hate anywhere in sight! There is Truth (and Light) - and there is Darkness. There are Sons of Light (Followers of Christ) and there are Sons of Darkness (either, followers of Satan or folks who deny the Deity of Jesus the Christ - Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Zionists, Taoists, theists, spiritualists, Muslims, atheists, agnostics, ecumenists, etc.).

On the other hand, the following website will reveal to you that Jews (and Zionists) hate true Christians as well as other goyim (Gentiles), like Muslim Arabs, and will explain the IRRECONCILABLE DIFFERENCES between Followers of Christ and Jews: (it’s a LONG story that goes back about 2007 years) wink

http://www.jewishracism.com/Christian_Zionism.htm


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By john polifronio, August 17, 2007 at 4:16 pm Link to this comment
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People anxious to demonize Hillary, like yourself, are relentless.  Registering a rebuttal is useless.  When you can’t find material that can be twisted to make the Senator seem evil, you simply invent your own rubbish, even to the extent of actually telling the gullible that you prefer a republican to this “treasonous agent.”  You are truly unbeliveable.
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By Paracelsus, August 17, 2007 at 3:12 pm Link to this comment

@ #95675 by johncp

You are not acknowledging Hillary Clinton’s internationalist, neoliberal agenda. She is no good for constitutional liberties, peace, or loyalty to an American political-economy. She is clearly in contact with elite think tanks who don’t a punto de raton about American sovereignty. We are supposed to have government to protect all of us, citizens. I have downloaded scores of of pics showing Hillary in deep lip lock with outsourcing enterprises. She is head conspirator of the India Caucus in Congress. I can walk up to any liberal over the age of forty and ask them what an H1B visa is and they are as struck dumb as a football player trying to do integration by parts. The utter stupidity is so demoralizing. I just want scream f**k, and bang my head against the walls while crying tears of deep, boundless despair. I have to change the channel when Hillary gives a speech that is greeted with the clapping and cheers of unquestioning adulation. She seems to have the persona of a social worker, who wants to make sure all your children have the most maximum in quicksilver vaccine shots. I hate the offerings of the Republicans, but I would gladly take
a AU-H2O over this treasonous, foreign agent.

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By johncp, August 17, 2007 at 12:56 pm Link to this comment
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I see, that all the tired and pointless bickering against Hillary is reaching full intensity.  Scheer sees a convenient and easy target, and blindly goes after it, enhancing his favor among an element of the Left, that doesn’t know when to stop its bellyaching.  The “fact” is that neither Scheer, nor any other of the bellyachers knows whether Hillay will “push the button.”  This is just nearly delusional hyperbole.

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By mackTN, August 17, 2007 at 11:52 am Link to this comment

“Back then, she recognized that nuclear weapons are weapons against civilization, not a means of ensuring its survival.”

In these times, post 9/11, any country using a nuclear bomb would likely set off a chain of like responses that could signal the end of humanity.  How could nuking a Middle Eastern country solve anything for us?

We’ve already destroyed an entire country, over 1 million Iraquis have died, thousands of Americans are dead and injured, and we will spend 1 trillion dollars because we wanted to get rid of 1 person—Saddam Hussein—and his weapons of mass destruction.  Has this been worth it?  Was his life that valuable? 

Is Bin Laden’s life worth the resulting instability and destruction caused by a nuclear bomb?

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By mackTN, August 17, 2007 at 11:40 am Link to this comment

I take it you are referring to Jews when you discuss Zionism and Zionist Wall Street.  Do you hate all Jews or just those in Israel and in the financial markets?

How does this relate to the Scheer article about Hillary Clinton?

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By GodSend, August 17, 2007 at 8:35 am Link to this comment

There is a Blog (Skeptical Community) where I dealt with the likes of Lefty, lilmamzer, Leefeller, Logician, etc. ( funny that they all start with the letter ‘L’ - as in ‘Lucifer’ ). In biblical terms, these creatures are known as ‘swine’, although I prefer the more common word ‘PIG’. I renamed these creatures, so their pedigree can be more easily recognized. For the local herd in this Blog, here are their new names: LEFTYPIG, LILPIG, PIGLEE and PIGLOG. You can discover their Hangi destiny by visiting SkepticalCommunity.com and reading the GodSend posts in the ‘Banter’ and ‘Games & Puzzles’ topics.

Now that they have been sliced and diced, the local herd is being PIGpenned and almost ready for the next Hangi! wink There are a few more candidates in this Blog on the PIG shortlist, squealing and grunting. I’ve got my eye on Louise ( hah! - another ‘L’ )

PS Occasionally, I simply dispatch the most offensive swine with a single stroke of the sword (PIGLOG). They all end up with sort of a dazed look in their final portraits. wink Lotsa great photos and insights into Hangi at the above Blog. smile

WARNING: Anyone who ventures into the SC Blog had better be prepared to be grossed out in Spades!

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By Leefeller, August 17, 2007 at 8:01 am Link to this comment

Yes, Hillary goodie-two-shoes.  Come on folks, wake up.  Problem is most, not all career politicians are beholding to special interests.  They do and will never give a damn about anyone but themselves and the money they so love, we are only here to listen to half truths and vote. 

Opportunism is just opportunism,  self absorbed power hungry people who want to massage their egos and grab power.  Hillary is an exception because she has shown her hand so many times. Follow the money. 

Sincere candidates like Gravel and Kucinich have about as much chance as I do.  Special interests big money will never let them win. 

If you believe Hillary really is sincere about helping the common folks, maybe you should be shopping for a bridge. Hillary is Bush in drag, with some cosmetic changes. 

The cast system has to be more apparent for people to start realizing that the trickle-down theory is not talking about money.

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By Logician, August 16, 2007 at 11:57 pm Link to this comment

Re#95573 by Non Credo on 8/16 at 7:37 pm:

You misread me, Non Credo.  Read all the way to the end of #95558.  Digest it.  I’ll let it sit there for a while.  Got it?  Good!

Comparing Judaism, Christianity, and Islam is like comparing three fetid turds in a bucket of vomit: one green, one brown, one speckled with corn, and all nutty all around.  The sooner the world is through will ALL manifestations of Judaism, ALL manifestations of Christianity, and ALL manifestations of Islam, the better will be the world.

Judaism was the start of chauvinistic stupidstitions, Christianity was its mate, and Islam is their bastard offspring.  Do not despair, Non Credo, you do not need to defend Christianity.  For you cannot defend one without justifying all of the filth the desert dwellers have defecated upon humanity. 

I despise all religions, not just the filthy triumvirate of the Levant.  But really, dealing with y’all is too much like shooting turds in vomit buckets: just too easy to flush your stupid asses down the toilet.  Please, by all means, kill each other off and get your ativistic butts out of the human gene pool.

If you can truly read the obscenities of T. Austin-Sparks and not get nauseated you are beneath the contempt even “GodSend” displays for that disgusting liar.  So, in the immortal words of that most august of true satirists, Jean Shepherd:

Excelsior, You Fatheads!

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By Marshall, August 16, 2007 at 10:06 pm Link to this comment

Why does Scheer say that “pushing the button would kill us all”?  We’re not talking about nuking the Soviet Union here; we’re talking about the fact that any country that actually has nuclear weapons obviously has to present them as possible options for use.  Does Scheer think Hillary should take the position that the US would never use nukes?

And the statement about using them to get Bin Laden doesn’t strike me as an advocation of first use, as Scheer seems to think.  Although preemption is a viable option for any state that’s interested in its continued existance,  I can think of several scenarios where we’d be responding.  Why in the world would we want to rule that out?

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By davide, August 16, 2007 at 9:52 pm Link to this comment
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Hillary Clinton has become everything she would have affected to despise as a young woman: a triangulating, opportunistic, establishment “fat cat”.

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By RICK, August 16, 2007 at 9:22 pm Link to this comment
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I really wish people would start waking up to the likelihood that she’s a neo-con.

Her nuke remark was so ridiculous it almost had to come from a person of Straussian persuasion. Sorry, but that’s my take.

Watching Dems fawn over her like she’s some kind of liberal hero is so depressing these days. For some strange reason, Democrats are no better than Republicrooks in that they put as much effort into choosing leaders as they do a tube of toothpaste. What a disgrace!

Folks, look at her policy positions (the ones that aren’t secret!). She’s at least a neo-liberal, like her hubby. She’s a corporatist. In foreign policy terms, she’s probably a neo-con, much like her friend Joe Liberman.

Wake up!

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By Douglas Chalmers, August 16, 2007 at 9:15 pm Link to this comment

#95449 by loveinatub on 8/16 at 10:33 am: “...I don’t understand all of the Hillary support expressed in these comments. Hillary comes across as a war hawk and a republican. I don’t hear or see anything about her that makes her a liberal or a democrat. She voted to support Bush’s invasion of Iraq. How can the democrats nominate a candidate who supported the Iraqi invasion?? I just don’t get it. Thank you Scheer for critically examining Hillary and pointing out her jingoistic policies. If anything, all Hillary will do is continue the expansion of the military industrial complex. The fact that Hillary is a woman should not motivate anyone to vote for her….” ..—————->

This is indeed a problem, ‘loveinatub’, but so too is the fact that Truthdig’s admin. has started pruning irrelevant comments but there are still only about 3 or 4 even vaguely on-topic comments in the last 30 or so posted on this page.  That is really pathetic given that we are onto a second page as well. So much junk for people to wade through when visiting this blog!

I don’t think Hillary is either a warhawk or any kind of Republican (they have good Republicans these days?) but her previous involvement in the Iraq invasion does warrant further examination. As I sad, though, its hard to get any intelligent comment here never mind co-operation in analyzing things in an interesting manner. Something about Cally-fornians these days???

Actually, it would have been nicer if Scheer had actually put some effort into that instead of his relatively dishonest slant on bagging Hillary for things she is not really guilty of. That was only meant to be some miserable justification for going along with Kucinich against her before in the Truthdig interview topic which was also badly handled. Repeating his assistant editor’s errors doesn’t make them correct or wash them away, duh!  http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20070811_kucinich_throws_down_the_gauntlet/

Whatever happens though with Hillary as president, she wouldn’t “continue the expansion of the military industrial complex” even if she wanted to. Its already utterly unaffordable and the lessons of Katrina are still coming home to haunt the present administration. The Minnesota bridge disaster is one more item of proof that the nation’s infrastructure and power generating sources are the best investments in the long run along with housing and climate-change imperatives.

I think it is rather obvious that at least Hillary realises that if not the rest of the Democrats and is willing to work towards change as some kind of a ‘new deal’ whereas the current administration is still only raving about “staying the course” like a broken old record.  That makes her their best candidate.

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By Leefeller, August 16, 2007 at 8:34 pm Link to this comment

Godsend,

Even satire needs rest, you will give it a bad name!  Ever since you got your head caught by the garage door, you have become quite the blather ready person.

Hillery, needs to give back all the money she has taken from special interests, then maybe I would vote for her. 

That will happen when Godsend freezes over.

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By Frank, August 16, 2007 at 6:55 pm Link to this comment

So Godsend, by your rationale, someone in power who used a small underground nuclear weapon in a remote mountainous area in the scenario I described to save hundreds of thousands of lives (if not millions) is evil?

I suppose the ‘right’ thing to do in your view would be to put anti-nuclear ideology above human lives and let the terror attacks against dozens of cities happen.  Brilliant.

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By Logician, August 16, 2007 at 6:43 pm Link to this comment

Re#95512 by “GodSend” on 8/16 at 2:04 pm:

Excellent! Another beautiful illustration of the twisted stupidity of Christianity!  You have studied the subject you mock very well!

T. Austin-Sparks would get almost orgasmic when he would spew his bile about not reading anything he or his ilk had not produced. In one simple paragraph you recap why the inbreds can never break free.  Masterful! 

You must tell us all how we can support your performance art.  The insipidly idiotic crap you have performed on this post over such a long period of time in such a meticulous mocking of the shit that is Christianity must be taxing on your time and resources.  Surely your life and family must be suffering, as well as your job, unless of course, you have dedicated you life to demonstrating the uselessness of religious idealism.

Which, if you have, you have succeeded.  Truly, not since the KKK, the Crusades, the Inquisition has such hate-filled bile been spewed in the name of Christianity.  I, and anyone above the age of 7, of course realize that is the ONLY point of a myth created by pederasts, but your postings so eloquently illustrate that point again, and again, and again. 

Whenever I read such Christian-bashing as your work, I am thankful for people like you.  We need your work to help us remember that the ONLY good thing that has EVER come out of Judaism, Christianity and Islam is that they are trying to kill each other off.  Let us all hope they do so quickly so the human race can evolve beyond the stupidity of all religions.

Keep up the excellent work!  “GodSend”, (man that name is just inspired!) you have done more good for the cause of reason than you could ever possibly know.

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By GodSend, August 16, 2007 at 5:04 pm Link to this comment

OK, Frank. ANYONE (not just you) who advocates use of nukes under ANY circumstances, is evil and ready for the loony-bin. Does that make Truman evil? You betcha! Go visit the Hiroshima memorial and observe some of the victims of a real holocaust and then rationalize the use of nukes.

That’s the only ‘rational’ response possible.

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By GodSend, August 16, 2007 at 4:57 pm Link to this comment

Dr. Knowitall, PhD, PhD:

I stand corrected - thank you! So that makes sewage (vile content) that flows out of the gullet, throat and mouth (sewerage or pipework) of the Magician, right? Yup, that’s clear as muck! wink

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By Frank, August 16, 2007 at 4:18 pm Link to this comment

Godsend, as you seem unable to unwilling to address what I said with any sort of a reasoned response,  I suppose all you can do is call me names. Apparently you think every US president since WW2 who has maintained the US nuclear arsenal for possible use is a lunatic.

Well, that’s one possibility. Or you could just be a wee bit silly.

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By Dr. Knowitall, PhD, PhD, August 16, 2007 at 3:37 pm Link to this comment

For the record:  SEWERAGE: pipework, etc., through which waste flows
            SEWAGE:  the waste that flows through pipework

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By GodSend, August 16, 2007 at 3:14 pm Link to this comment

What is a ‘Progressive Zionist’?

An Israeli who steals and kills and then expresses some sort of remorse for his own suffering caused by an in-your-face-die-hard Palestinian.

courtesy of ‘5 dancing shlomos’ at Xymphora Blog.

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By GodSend, August 16, 2007 at 3:04 pm Link to this comment

Hey, Loquatician: Your posts to me are a waste (pun intended) - of your time. I no longer read them. Once I detect sewerage (your 1st post), I stay away from its source! smile

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By GodSend, August 16, 2007 at 2:55 pm Link to this comment

Louise:

The life you have to get back to is not worth getting back to!

Get Christ, get Life! - that’s the ONLY Life worth having! smile

Random quotes from the OT mean nothing if they are not part of a life in Christ!

Read TAS - THEN come back and tell us about your life - maybe a NEW Life smile

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By lilmamzer, August 16, 2007 at 1:41 pm Link to this comment

#95493 by Non Credo

Please note that many of the nastiest aspects of right-wing Christian behavior and belief - the penchant for tribal supremacism, violence, and war, the tendency to punitiveness, cruelty, domination, and vengefulness, the subordination of women, the horror of sexuality and particularly of homosexuality, etc. - all come stright out of Judaism.

An orthodox Jewish man begins every day with a prayer thanking God for not making him a woman. And many believing Jews explicitly reject the Christian concept of forgiveness and think it’s stupid.

Jews are compassionate and non-racist to the extent that they deviate from the core teachings of Judaism, which are essentially punitive, tribal, chauvinist, and belligerent.

Christians are compassionate and universalist to the extent that they adhere to the main message of Christianity.

Christians are at their best when they de-emphasize this Jewish aspect of Christianity’s cultural baggage, choosing to emphasize what is arguably Jesus’s core message of love and forgiveness (though his teachings are fatally incoherent and therefore open to abuse by people who are temperamentally intolerant and cruel).

In addition to being a malicious slanderer (see post below), you also have a Jew problem.

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By lilmamzer, August 16, 2007 at 1:39 pm Link to this comment

#95458 by Non Credo

Kristol is a traitor, if there is any such thing as a traitor. It’s really as simple as that.

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Absent any legally-admissable evidence to the contrary, Non Credo, you are guilty of libel - maliciously and damagingly misrepresenting another’s character through defamatory statements.

Only a cheesy, low-rent creep would do that. Especially when the damaged party is not around to defend himself.

Not only are your written words slanderous, Non Credo, but absent any evidence to prove your charges, they show you to be lazy and disingenuous.

So, Non Credo, you have the opportunity to wipe the mud off your face and present the evidence, the legally-admissable evidence, of your charges.

Show us what you got.

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By lilmamzer, August 16, 2007 at 1:37 pm Link to this comment

#95491 by Louise on 8/16 at 12:25 pm
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#95439 by GodSend on 8/16 at 9:59 am

Of course you are correct. I should have posted an original thought.
I guess I borrowed a page from YOUR play-book. Thousands and thousands, and thousands of words, with not one ORIGINAL thought in the lot.

So here’s a thought you may or may not be able to identify with ...
I have a life and I need to get back to it.

Meanwhile, with all your knowledge of all things “holy” why don’t you track down the following quotes?

“Blood cannot be washed out with blood”

“A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after signs”

“A blind person who sees is better than a seeing person who is blind”

“Hate no man but hate that which is evil”

“False ambition serves the neck”

“The eye cannot rise above the eyebrow”

“Hatred does not cease by hatred, but only by love; this is the eternal rule”

“Virtue is persecuted more by the wicked than it is loved by the good”

“He who lives and loves a lie”

“Depart from me, you workers of iniquity!”

“If you grasp a hot coal to throw it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned”

“Pride goes before a fall”
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I heard Godsend’s mother is a Zionist Jew.
Or was it his father?

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By Louise, August 16, 2007 at 1:25 pm Link to this comment

#95439 by GodSend on 8/16 at 9:59 am

Of course you are correct. I should have posted an original thought.
I guess I borrowed a page from YOUR play-book. Thousands and thousands, and thousands of words, with not one ORIGINAL thought in the lot.

So here’s a thought you may or may not be able to identify with ...
I have a life and I need to get back to it.

Meanwhile, with all your knowledge of all things “holy” why don’t you track down the following quotes?

“Blood cannot be washed out with blood”

“A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after signs”

“A blind person who sees is better than a seeing person who is blind”

“Hate no man but hate that which is evil”

“False ambition serves the neck”

“The eye cannot rise above the eyebrow”

“Hatred does not cease by hatred, but only by love; this is the eternal rule”

“Virtue is persecuted more by the wicked than it is loved by the good”

“He who lives and loves a lie”

“Depart from me, you workers of iniquity!”

“If you grasp a hot coal to throw it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned”

“Pride goes before a fall”

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By Logician, August 16, 2007 at 12:44 pm Link to this comment

Re#95439 by “GodSend” on 8/16 at 9:59 am:

I couldn’t agree more, “GodSend”.  It IS hard for the drooling fools that believe in the rotting slime that is Christianity to think for themselves.  How much easier it is for them to follow the reprehensible, hate-filled bile that spews from the obscene orifice known as Austin-Sparks. T. Austin-Sparks, a lying, hypocritical huckster who can so easily break down EVERYTHING into black or white, good or evil, heavenly or satanic is just what the inbreeds need and crave.  Logic is beyond them, so his hate becomes their credo, and the insanity multiplies until it goes beyond even the wildest, most pornographic fantasies of the power-mad pederasts who excreted the myth of Jesus upon humanity.

I do love your repeated references to him.  Your performance is nothing short of inspired.  To stay in character so long and so well is the mark of a highly disciplined, skilled artisan.  You are right on the target on what needs to be laid open for its disgusting slime.  The filth of the bible needs no retort; its poorly plagiarized lies are transparent even to children.  But the hucksters who capitalize on the excrement of the myth that is Christianity need to be exposed again and again and again. 

You do it so well I can’t compare anyone to you.  By highlighting Austin-Sparks’ “authority” you reveal your very real and very obvious disgust and contempt for him.  And then to equate anyone who disagrees with you to that most over-used canard, Satan, without overplaying your hand is truly a delicate task you are obviously talented enough to execute very well.

Oh, but how easy it would be, “GodSend”, (gotta love that name!) if it all were so simple as the hate-filled rhetoric of Austin-Sparks.  “Me: good; anyone who don’t think or look like me: evil.  Jew: really evil!  How I know?  Cuz de man, Austin-Sparks tell me so!”  Sorry, I can’t expose the shit defecated out of that most disgusting of assholes as well as you can. 

You are a master at taking the scum known as Christianity at face value and applying it to a woman whose fart stains are worth more than all the drooling, inbred, gap-toothed freaks who believe that excrement put together.  In so doing you shine a beacon of truth on the reality that perverts like Austin-Sparks are not capable of anything other than bending little boys over, let alone debating issues of any importance.

Again, “GodSend”, thanks for the comic relief.  Good satire is all the better when it is so clearly topical, so brilliantly applied, and so powerfully consistent.  And your smiley icons are lovely clues to those who can appreciate well-written satires.  I salute you and your very successful efforts to expose the idiocy of Austin-Sparks and his imbecilic followers.  Let us all give thanks they are inbreeding themselves into extinction!

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By GodSend, August 16, 2007 at 12:27 pm Link to this comment

Frank: And don’t be sorry for never having been in an insane asylum (if it’s true) - you are guaranteed to be admitted if you just keep talking. In fact, they’re waiting for you with open arms (and a strait jacket) smile

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By GodSend, August 16, 2007 at 12:20 pm Link to this comment

Frank: You are a lunatic! Join the Marines! - they need NUTS like you in Iraq - the ones already there are cracking up! (going insane by doing the insane) wink

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By Frank, August 16, 2007 at 12:06 pm Link to this comment

Frank: How did you escape from the insane asylum?

Sorry, I’ve never been in one. You must be thinking of someone else you met during your stay there.

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By GodSend, August 16, 2007 at 11:44 am Link to this comment

Frank: How did you escape from the insane asylum?

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By lilmamzer, August 16, 2007 at 11:41 am Link to this comment

#95441 by Frank

Can you not imagine a scenario where the use of a nuclear weapon, of any yield or magnitude and application, might need to be employed?

Short answer: Yes.

That’s a good one. There are other ones, too.

The scary part is that a tin-foil-hat knucklehead like Kucinich wouldn’t lie about not using them, and then not allow the use of one when it’s absolutely required.

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By loveinatub, August 16, 2007 at 11:33 am Link to this comment

I don’t understand all of the Hillary support expressed in these comments. Hillary comes across as a war hawk and a republican. I don’t hear or see anything about her that makes her a liberal or a democrat. She voted to support Bush’s invasion of Iraq. How can the democrats nominate a candidate who supported the Iraqi invasion?? I just don’t get it. Thank you Scheer for critically examining Hillary and pointing out her jingoistic policies. If anything, all Hillary will do is continue the expansion of the military industrial complex. The fact that Hillary is a woman should not motivate anyone to vote for her.

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By mikelaut, August 16, 2007 at 11:30 am Link to this comment

In case it’s not clear by now, I just wanted to reiterate that Robert Scheer completely mischaracterizes Clinton’s remarks in his article above. 

Consider Scheer’s characterizations of Clinton’s remarks:  he calls them an “attack” on Obama, an “assault,” a “dangerous message,” and “another egregious example of Clinton’s consistent backing for the mindless militarism that is dragging this nation to ruin.”  Now compare all of that with Clinton’s actual remarks:

QUESTION (8/2/07): Senator Clinton, Senator Clinton—Senator Obama today said that the use of nuclear weapons would be off the table in Afghanistan or Pakistan. I’m wondering if you agree with that?

CLINTON: Well, I’m not going to answer hypotheticals, but let’s find Osama bin Laden and his leadership first. And I think that presidents should be very careful at all times in discussing the use or non-use of nuclear weapons. Presidents since the Cold War have used nuclear deterrence to keep the peace.

And I don’t believe that any president should make any blanket statements with respect to the use or non-use of nuclear weapons. But I think we’ll leave it at that because just—I don’t know the circumstances in which he was responding.

QUESTION: So it’s not irresponsible then to take nuclear weapons off the table?

CLINTON: I’ve said what I have to say about this.

Scheer is a liar and a demagogue.  He’s no different than Fox News:  neither is interested in presenting the truth, but only in advancing their own agenda and willing to distort the truth in order to do so.

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By Frank, August 16, 2007 at 11:09 am Link to this comment

Can you not imagine a scenario where the use of a nuclear weapon, of any yield or magnitude and application, might need to be employed?

Short answer: Yes.

Imagine that we know with certainty that Al Quaida operatives are hiding out in caves with a cache of military grade bio-weapons acquired on the black market, preparing to deploy them in a widespread attack on western targets throughout Europe and elsewhere. We know the location of the cave network where they are but have only a few hours to eliminate this threat before the weapons are moved by scores of different human carriers and we potentially lose track of some or all of them. We have nowhere near enough time to plan and mount an assault by conventional forces that can succeed. Conventional airstrike will not work either, as no conventional bombs have the power to penetrate deeply enough into the caves where the terrorists and weapons are located. 

The only hope in preventing dozens of bio-weapons attacks across European cities is with a nuclear bunker buster missile that can be launched immediately and has a very good chance of destroying the underground targets with minimal radiation and damage above ground.

Would any responsible Presidential candidate absolutely rule out the use of a tactical nuke in scenarios like this? No, they wouldn’t. They would only lie about it for the sake of getting the left vote.

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By GodSend, August 16, 2007 at 10:59 am Link to this comment

Well, Louise, so why are you still lingering in the ranks of the insane? You DO need a higher kind of logic to SEE! (as I already proved by taking apart your nonsense) - BUT it’s not the kind of ‘logic’ offered by the Logician! wink

Follow my advice: Read Theodore Austin-Sparks’ writings and THEN make up your own mind about his authority - instead of relying on some occult and devilish logician to make it up for you. wink

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By GodSend, August 16, 2007 at 10:50 am Link to this comment

Hey, spidey - that’s very impressive for your 1st post!

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By Louise, August 16, 2007 at 10:48 am Link to this comment

#95373 by GodSend on 8/16 at 6:22 am

“PS to Louise: Let me suggest a ‘voice of authority’ to you. It is Theodore Austin-Sparks”

#95316 by Logician on 8/15 at 10:24 pm

“His [Theodore Austin-Sparks] genius was in keeping things simple for the simple minded.  When things are either-or, and only you are right, every problem can be solved in seconds”

Thanks Logician, particularly for pointing out how important it is to keep things simple for the simple minded. To which I would like to add a favorite quote:

“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.”
Marcus Aurelius

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By spidey, August 16, 2007 at 10:24 am Link to this comment

NEW WORLD ORDER. COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS. AMERICAN ENTERPRISE INSTITUTE.

The Plutocracy’s organs for making sure it makes no difference what party wins elections.

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By Light the Watchtowers, August 16, 2007 at 9:32 am Link to this comment
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My letter to all the candidates the next
morning.


“It’s madness to think nuclear weapons can
be used in any circumstance. If candidates
are not sane enough to know and say that,
then I don’t want any of you.”

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By Paracelsus, August 16, 2007 at 9:26 am Link to this comment

$3.00 box cutters??? I must be paying too much. I hope Scheer gets his job at The Nation or The Progressive. I suppose months and years of the 9-11 Truth Movement have come to this.

BTW, Hillary has been to two Bilderberg meetings.
Hillary at Bilderberg Meeting

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By GodSend, August 16, 2007 at 9:16 am Link to this comment

The question that should be asked of H. Clinton (and other candidates) is:

Will you support any war, invasion or ‘preemptive strike’ (nuclear or non-nuclear, legal or illegal) by America on behalf of Israel?

Everyone’s answer SHOULD be:

http://nowarforisrael.com/ (or “Never Again!”)

What will the answers of the Zionist candidates be?:

“Any invasion, war or ‘preemptive strike’ (nuclear or non-nuclear, legal or illegal) against any enemy of Israel, real or imagined, is not off the table” wink

Followed by the candidates’ frenzied pushing and shoving to kiss Olmert’s ass! Maybe it’ll be Netanyahu’s ass by then!? Oy veh wink

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By Dr. Knowitall, PhD, PhD, August 16, 2007 at 9:02 am Link to this comment

In our world of sociopaths and religious fanatics, you can only bargain from a position of strength.  Much as we hate our military industrial complex, this would be a far different place w/o it and, I think, maybe not so good.  We need leaders who can handle that truth with wisdom, social responsibility and a global view.

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By Douglas Chalmers, August 16, 2007 at 8:48 am Link to this comment

#95382 by stereoman on 8/16 at 6:55 am: “...Apparently the Associated Press is getting a lot of mileage out of their incorrect report that Sen. Clinton “attacked” Sen. Obama over his comment on Pakistan. Scheer simply adds his own special touch of banality to an already torpid tale…”

Uhh, ‘stereoman’, the once-reputable Scheer is now trying to flog his new book about “tall tales with past presidents” by slagging the wife of one of them as she ascends in her new political career. Wait until Bill Clinton gets him in a corner somewhere….....


#95379 by GodSend on 8/16 at 6:50 am: “...‘America Today’: smokingmirrors.blogspot - “The Morlocks and the Eloi” .....The political scene is an exercise in utter futility - as long as the Zionist Party rules America…”

Quote from Baghdad Burning blog: “One of them called out to Saddam, “Go to hell…” (in Arabic). Saddam looked down disdainfully and answered “Heya hay il marjala…?” which is basically saying, “Is this your manhood…?”

Where, too, is the “manhood” of these shallow bloggers in the land of the free? Whatever he once was, Saddam died more of a man than the Bushes and Cheneys of this world will ever be! For God’s sake, at least take the trouble to cast your vote!  Juvenile whingers!!!

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By GodSend, August 16, 2007 at 8:23 am Link to this comment

Logician=Magician=Deceiver=Devil (“Get thee hence!”)

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By Leefeller, August 16, 2007 at 8:12 am Link to this comment

by Logician on 8/15 at 10:24 pm
Great post.

“You so thoroughly and completely expose the absolute drooling stupidity of all the Christian liars and haters and Anti-Zionists there is really nothing more to prove.” 

Yes the wink happy face was a give away to me, the name also.  At first I just thought he was another head case or shrill for some special interest.  Your synopsis on Godsend is well done. 
Must say I am flattered to have been named “zionist excrement”  by Godsend, after asking not to be patronized.  (Feel like I have been graced by a celibertiy, pun intended)

I love satire, which if I had caught on to Godsens’ sooner, would have enjoyed even more. Now I have to go back and reread Godsends work.  Satire is great!  Art is great!

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By stereoman, August 16, 2007 at 7:55 am Link to this comment

Apparently the Associated Press is getting a lot of mileage out of their incorrect report that Sen. Clinton “attacked” Sen. Obama over his comment on Pakistan. Scheer simply adds his own special touch of banality to an already torpid tale by highlighting Clinton’s “sorry record of cheerleading the irrational post-Cold War military buildup”, then concluding that her (imagined) attack on Obama represents a “positioning [of herself] politically instead of taking a position of integrity.”

It’s hard to imagine a paid political writer publishing such a blantant contradiction, except of course that it refers to Hillary Clinton, the politician everybody loves to bash. If Mr. Scheer were really looking for a Clintonesque Triangulation, he would look to her deception about ending the occupation of Iraq, which she has equivocated beyond the slightest resemblance to truth. But taking her to task for her (non) comments about Pakistan just makes him look like a poor imitation of a Republican hack.

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By GodSend, August 16, 2007 at 7:50 am Link to this comment

Let’s put H. Clinton’s candidacy and all the posturing of the other candidates, Republican as well as Democrats, in the right context of ‘America Today’:

http://smokingmirrors.blogspot.com/

“The Morlocks and the Eloi”

The political scene is an exercise in utter futility - as long as the Zionist Party rules America!

Are American Zionists the Morlocks? You betcha!

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By GodSend, August 16, 2007 at 7:22 am Link to this comment

PS to Louise:

Let me suggest a ‘voice of authority’ to you. It is Theodore Austin-Sparks. I quoted something from him in 3 posts in this thread. Read that and some of his writings and then decide if he speaks with authority, or not. Here’s the link:

http://www.austin-sparks.net/enter.html

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By Robert, August 16, 2007 at 6:46 am Link to this comment

August 15, 2007

The Peculiar Relationship

“No American President Can Stand Up to Israel”

By PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS

“No American President can stand up to Israel.”

“These words came from feisty Admiral Thomas Moorer, Chief of Naval Operations (1967-1970) and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (1970-1974). Moorer was, perhaps, the last independent-minded American military leader.

Admiral Moorer knew what he was talking about. On June 8, 1967, Israel attacked the American intelligence ship, USS Liberty, killing 34 American sailors and wounding 173. The Israelis even strafed the life rafts, machine-gunning the American sailors leaving the stricken ship.

Apparently, the USS Liberty had picked up Israeli communications that revealed Israel’s responsibility for the Seven Day War. Even today, history books and the majority of Americans blame the conflict on the Arabs.

The United States Navy knew the truth, but the President of the United States took Israel’s side against the American military and ordered the United States Navy to shut its mouth. President Lyndon Johnson said it was all just a mistake. Later in life, Admiral Moorer formed a commission and presented the unvarnished truth to Americans.

The power of the Israel Lobby over American foreign policy is considerable. In March 2006, two distinguished American scholars, John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt, expressed concern in the London Review of Books that the power of the Israel Lobby was bending US foreign policy in directions that serve neither US nor Israeli interests. The two experts were hoping to start a debate that might rescue the US and Israel from unsuccessful policies of coercion that are intensifying Muslim hatred of Israel and America. The Israel lobby was opposed to any such reassessment, and attempted to close it off with epithets: “Jew-baiter,” “anti-semitic,” and even “anti-American.” Today Israeli citizens who oppose Zionist plans for greater Israel are denounced as “anti-Semites.”

Many Americans are unaware of the influence of the Israel lobby. Instead they think of the US as “the world’s sole superpower,” a macho new Roman Empire whose orders are obeyed without question or the insolent nonentity is “bombed back to the stone age.” Many Americans are convinced that military coercion serves our interest. They cite Libya, Serbia, Afghanistan, Iraq, and now they are ready to bring Iran and Pakistan to heel with bombs.

This arrogance results in the murder of tens of thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands, of men, women and children, a fate that many Americans seem to believe is appropriate for countries that do not accept US hegemony.

Coercion is what American foreign policy has become. Macho superpatriots love it. Many of these superpatriots derive vicarious pleasure from their delusions that America is “kicking those sand niggers’ asses.”

This is the America of the Bush Regime. If some of these superpatriots had their way every “unpatriotic, terrorist supporter” who dares to criticize the war against “the Islamofacists” would be sent to Gitmo, if not shot on the spot.

These Bush supporters have morphed the Republican Party into the Brownshirt Party. They cannot wait to attack Iran, preferably with nuclear weapons. Impatient for Armageddon, some are so full of hubris and self-righteousness that they actually believe that their support for evil means they will be “wafted up to heaven.” [see

It has come as a crippling blow to Democrats that “their” political party is comfortable with Bush’s America, and will do nothing to stop the Bush regime’s aggression against the Iraqi people or to prevent the Bush regime’s attack on Iran.”

Here is the link to the rest of the article:

http://www.counterpunch.org/roberts08152007.html

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By Joe R., August 16, 2007 at 6:38 am Link to this comment
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People should read The Day We Bombed Utah to get a grasp of what nuclear weapons are about.  Any one who advocates their use for anything but all out war with another superpower should be tared and feathered out of politics and the military.  These people are insane and should not even be allowed to drive much less lead the country.

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By Skruff, August 16, 2007 at 5:38 am Link to this comment
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95334 by Douglas Chalmers on 8/16 at 12:58 am

“How does anyone expect Hillary or Nancy Pelosi or Barbara Boxer or anyone else to speak out in the congress or in the senate when they know full well that the administration has already been effectively taken over by the military and the Neocons?”

I now get why you are such a pationate “business-shill” advocate; lowered expectations.

There was once an employee (proud to say from my adopted state) who stood up at just such a time. Maine Senator Margaret Chase Smith told Joe McCarthy where the dog died!

Buck-up Mr Chalmers it could happen again!

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By Johnny Doughey, August 16, 2007 at 2:40 am Link to this comment

When was the last time you saw a candidate that was more concerned for the country than for their own income, partying , or job.

Clinton is power hungry and if the only way to get the presidency was to become a satan worshipper, she would be standing in line, pushing all others aside.  this woman has been on both sides of almost all issues since she began.  Issues are not important to her… being elected is.

She and her husband have never had the integrity actually needed for higher offices.  In our system, though, having celbrity status is much more important than integrity and honesty.  That of course is one of the major reasons this nation is on its downhill slide….

Does ANYONE who did not even bother reading the intelligence reports before sending young folk off to their deaths in Iraq deserve even a second glance?

Remember, this is a woman who spent years relating how she didn’t trust the republican presidents on any subject, and who was fully aware that our intelligence system was broken… and still did not hesitate to vote for war… because it was the popular thing to do at the time…

Note:  There is little I respect about MOST of the candidates at this time, whether they be democrats OR republicans…

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By Douglas Chalmers, August 16, 2007 at 1:58 am Link to this comment

#95306 by Dan Uu Noel on 8/15 at 9:04 pm: “...A couple of candidates have expressed cautious dissident statements on 9/11, but the mainstream media, who for some unknown reasons have chosen to be accomplices in the cover up of this sad story, have worked hard to crush them…...... As long as “we the people,” including Robert Scheer, allow the government to cling to their official fairy tale of what happened on that fateful day, Clinton and others will pursue a national security policy of rants and threats, repression and aggression. .......One could wonder whether they took a page off Dear Leader Comrade Kim Jong-Il’s playbook….”

More like the “fearless leader” in Washington than the one in PyongYang, Dan Uu Noel. Then there is the pathetic level of recent posting from “Logical” bloggers about “Godsent” missed opportunities. Far more could be accomplished here by staying on topic generally. Would a mature approach even be possible, then?

I, too, thought Scheer was behaving strangely when referring to “...9/11 hijackers, armed with weapons no more sophisticated than $3 box cutters…”. Of everyone here, he should be aware that there were no box-cutters involved then and that that is a truly dated and ill-informed comment. In intentionally using it, though, he seems to be telling us something…....

The fantasy of the media should be perpetrated by a media career journalist - even on a blogtoday ! There is no more “truth” left in Truthdig. He will next writea piece on the 9/11 fantasy telling us that his buddy, Bush, was correct in every detail. No doubt, this will be just before the announcement of martial law…....

How does anyone expect Hillary or Nancy Pelosi or Barbara Boxer or anyone else to speak out in the congress or in the senate when they know full well that the administration has already been effectively taken over by the military and the Neocons? Work it out for yourselves! They have to wait their turn…...

Your elected representatives who would love to speak up and represent you are unable to do so and survive. That is the climate in Washington and will continue for as long as the neanderthal “Washington man” exists in power there. Just get used to making a positive effort from your own end and all things will work out well in the end.

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I think what Hillary meant is that she wouldn’t rule out nuclear weapons when it came to obliterating Crawford.

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