Re #95807 by mackTN on 8/18 at 1:22 pm

Democrats could elect anybody in 08. Must we settle for Clinton II? She’s about 9th in a field of 9, as far as I’m concerned.

I have to agree with Skruff.  I wish more voters would behave as if they were interviewing a job candidate rather than annointing a celebrity.  If we made candidates more accountable to us, the voters, for information and direct responses to questions we ask them, perhaps we wouldn’t elect presidents who behave like kings (or queens).

But we have a middleman between us and the candidates--the press, largely the Traditonal Media, and most of them are infiltrated by either partisan pundits or wannabe celebrities whose perspectives are self-serving.  For example, in the last YouTube debates for Democratic pres candidates, there were hardly any questions on NAFTA, open borders, illegal immigration, population sustainabilty--the most pressing issues of our times next to Iraq and health care.  I can’t believe CNN didn’t receive any questions on those topics, and I’ve asked CNN to print a list of everey question submitted. 

I don’t suppose you can submit an FOIA request to a news organization, can you?

If Senator Clinton were sitting across from me, I’d ask her questions to which I expected the answers.  In job interviews, we are given hypotheticals all the time--for valid reasons.  But this election process is driven by money, spinning, celebrity--factors that should have nothing to do with winning the job. 

If Hillary Clinton had not been married to Bill, she would not be a senator today--and she wouldn’t be running for president.  If Dubya had not been the son of GB, he wouldn’t even be working in public service. 

Logic dictates that one can’t prove something true by mere association:  From Wikipedia--

The logical inverse of “guilt by association” is honor by association, where one claims that someone or something must be reputable because of the people or organizations that are related to it or otherwise support it. For example:

Alice is a lawyer, and Alice thinks highly of Bob. Therefore, Bob must know the law.
Aaron will make a good race car driver, because his friend is a good race car driver.
Mother Theresa was good and a Catholic, so all Catholics are good.

And how about:

Bill Clinton was president, therefore his wife is qualified to be president.

George Bush was president, therefore his sons are qualified to be president.

Given the past 8 years, you would think voters would not repeat the same errors in judgement.

#95785 by Leefeller on 8/18 at 10:36 am
(331 comments total)

Hillary wants to get back in the White House so bad, she has sold her very being to special interests for the opportunity.  Do you for one moment believe she will hold the interests of us, the people over the money interests paying her way? 

The women thing is not an issue, it would be nice to have a women as president, sex of the candidate has nothing to do with it.  Sleeping with special interests means one thing, business as usual.”

Leefeller,

I’m afraid so. In the U Tube debate, when Hillary said she had no problem taking money from anybody because “real people” give it to her, and with her record how could anybody think she could be influenced by money, as my jaw dropped, I heard a cynical “hah” coming from the audience. What is this, hypocrisy, naivette, total lack of self-awareness or what? Whatever it is, we don’t want it in a president.

Hillary,

Wants to get back in the White House so bad, she has sold her very being to special interests for the opportunity.  Do you for one moment believe she will hold the interests of us, the people over the money interests paying her way? 

The women thing is not an issue, it would be nice to have a women as president, sex of the candidate has nothing to do with it.  Sleeping with special interests means one thing, business as usual.

The only change you will see, is less in your pocket.

Re: #94317 by samuel burke on 8/12 at 3:14 pm
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in islam, the west has found an unflinching enemy that will not compromise its principles.

the west has no principles by which it governs itself other than whats expedient for the moment.
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First, let’s define “islamist principles.” As an outside observer, it seems to me that islamist principles are founded upon primitive, superstitious, tribalistic, totalitarian, murderous, terrorist, suicide bombing, psychopathy!  Not much different than christian principles.

Second, let’s be a bit more candid about Western principles.  As a Western, yet outside, observer, it seems to me that they would be founded upon getting money and power, and keeping it forever, at any cost!

So, the question is begged - in the long run, which is more likely to prevail - the principles that support killing yourself so that you can kill others who won’t join your tribe, or the principles that support the getting money and power and keeping it forever, at any cost?

Somehow, I don’t see those governed by Western principles being much worried about those governed by islamist principles.  In fact, I’m quite sure that Westerners will have little trouble exploiting islamists for the West’s purposes, and the islamists won’t even know it . . . even after they gladly find themselves with a Whopper in one hand and a Coca-Cola in the other.

We are the West, you will be assimilated, resistance is futile.  Madison Avenue hard at work!

Doug Chalmers:

I’m sure when things have settled down, we won’t be subjected to such an intense level of scrutiny. 

But Truthdig was in danger of losing its forum to a couple of tricksters whose intention was to make this an unpalatable forum for discussing ideas. 

If I lose a couple of posts in the process, so be it.  It’s worth the sacrifice.

#95592 by mackTN on 8/16 at 9:41 pm: “...I have no problem with differing points of view.  This is an open forum designed for debate on the issues stimulated by the article that is published. .......People do want to talk about the content of these articles and not wade through reams of nonsense, knowing full well that to make any comment is pointless, as it will be drowned in another stream of devil talk. ........I’m beginning to think you are all one person registered under different names....”
#95577 by Goshspeak on 8/16 at 7:50 pm: “...Anybody noticed that Godsend’s spittle comes up and many other posts only show the names with no comments...”

Well, Goshspeak, that is what a blog looks like when the moderator or administrator has pruned the off-topic or offensive comments. Pity they took so long and someone had to “throw down the gauntlet” so to speak. If there is to be any Truth on Truthdig, there has to be some adherence to psoting guidlines - and the administrator has to enforce them. Otherwise interested commenter (and readers) don’t get a chance......

Especially with the recent 3 or 4 Hillary Clinton topics, mackTN, I think that Truthdig has managed to allow Karl Rove Republicans to covertly subvert the topics and spoil them for others with their over-posting and irrelevant comments. If Scheer wants to promote his GOP friend, Arnie Swarzenegger, then he only has to put his picture on the front page, not have his stormtroopers camping here.

You wouldn’t think anyone in California voted for Barbara Boxer the way things have turned out on Truthdig. This topic has 2 pages and, so far, they have only cleaned up the first page. But so-called Truthdig have deleted some of my postings in other topics as well - and have been brutally repressive of my on-topic and relevant free speech in that regard.  Again, some one of Scheer’s friends’ private agendas have been obviously pandered to. That’s not very nice.

Thank goodness, it now looks like Truthdig is doing some moderating and returning the forums to people who can be respectful of others with different views.

I have no problem with differing points of view.  This is an open forum designed for debate on the issues stimulated by the article that is published.  It would be a dull, boring, undemocratic forum if only one point of view dominated.  Additionally, I don’t learn what other people think; then I don’t learn.

But accusing people of speaking through snouts and being satan and all that bs solely and repeatedly and whereever there seems to be a critical article about Hillary Clinton appears deliberate...besides being stupid, off topic, and rude.  It makes this site worthless, which is perhaps your intention.

People do want to talk about the content of these articles and not wade through reams of nonsense, knowing full well that to make any comment is pointless, as it will be drowned in another stream of devil talk.

If you have a private argument, why not take it to your private email.  Why do the rest of us have to be subjected to it? 

I’m beginning to think you are all one person registered under different names.  For someone who has posted as much as you have and who’s been registered for such a short time, I’m surprised this is all you have to say. 

Whereelse but on the internet where you can be anonymous would you dare to act out like this?  Either you are off your meds or you need some.

#95442 by Skruff on 8/16 at 10:12 am: “… ‘hire a president” ....I adamently disagree. These folks are our employees ...... the president is an “employee” who is in office at the pleasure of the people. The word “leader” appears nowhere in that document, nor does the word “privlege” .....They work for us, at our pleasure...”

I would ask you two questions, Skruff:-
1. What president ever behaved like an employee?
2. What group of ordinary people ever behaved like a board of directors?

You are trying to use a corporate model to describe governing the country and you see now what the problem is. In fact, it is in having a congress and a senate filled with “employees” as you have wished which has put us all in the very worst situation. They are just being used and manipulated by the ‘decider’ president even if they have an opposition majority.

Yes, I agree that “fire with cause” is a valid idea but ‘we, the people’ already had an executive meeting some time ago and failed to act on a “one-term-discharge” - and so here we are. That is clearly incompetence of the board to allow a criminal president and his executive clique to continue in office to the detriment of the ‘shareholders’ of the body politic.

And, it a 45 gallon drum, not a 55 gallon drum of “tar”. I wish you luck with the “angry people and some feathers” but you’ll find that they’re hard to handle. The kind of action we need is for people to be upstanding in being more responsible in every way as well as being totally unwilling to take being treated as dirt in their own country by their own “board of management”.

Perhaps a better idea would be to cut your losses by selling out and leaving corporate affairs to the new owners? That is, the Chinese, the Japanese and the European stockholders! Then again, haven’t the majority of America’s shareholders already effectively sold out on them selves and their and their childrens’ futures a long time back?

#95438 by Frank

Short answer: Yes.

That’s a good one. There are other ones, too.

The scary part is that a tin-foil-hat knucklehead like Kucinich wouldn’t lie about not using them, and then not allow the use of one when it’s absolutely required.

Kucinich is right on! He’s intelligent, ethical and the most honest of the democratic candidates. He’s liberal and I fully support a “strength through peace” foreign policy. Hillary is a Thatcher in the making if there ever was one. Vote Kucinich!!!!!

’Can you not imagine a scenario where the use of a nuclear weapon, of any yield or magnitude and application, might need to be employed?”

Short answer: Yes.

Imagine that we know with certainty that Al Quaida operatives are hiding out in caves with a cache of militray grade bio-weapons acquired on the black market, preparing to deploy them in a widespread attack on western targets throughout Europe and elsewhere. We know the location of the cave network where they are but have only a few hours to eliminate this threat before the weapons are moved by scores of differen human carriers and we potentially lose track of some or all of them. We have nowhere near enough time to plan and mount an assault by conventional forces that can succeed. Conventional airstrike will not work either, as no conventional bombs have the power to penetrate deeply enough into the caves where the terrorists and weapons are located. 

The only hope in preventing dozens of bio-weapons attacks across European cities is with a nuclear bunker buster missile that can be launched immediately and has a nearly 100% chance of destroying the underground targets with minimal radiation and damage above ground.

Would any responsible Presidential candidate absolutely rule out the use of a tactical nuke in scenarios like this? No, they wouldn’t. They would only lie about it for the sake of getting the left vote.

#95350 by Skruff on 8/16 at 4:28 am: “...I do believe you have placed your finger directly on the problem.  US citizens seem to be intent on “annointing a savior” rather than hiring an employee.  .......AND over all, the absolute worst slate of candidates from both parties in my lifetime.

Maybe, maybe not, Skruff. At least Hillary has put effort into remaking herself and has something to offer. Her past sins are not Bill’s sins and might yet be forgiven her. At least, she is willing to put in the hard yards to make positive change happen - and for as many as she can. The rest, I agree, are representative of various levels of disappointment - or toxicity.

But for “annointing a savior” or “hiring an employee”, neither ideas are clever. As you say, though, too many do want to just leave the thinking and the hard work to someone else. Quite frankly, I don’t really blame them as it is a really awful mess to have to confront. The trouble is that we all do have to now - as the ‘bill’ for the last 100 years never mind the past 7 years is being presented to us.

One thing you can’t do, in all honesty, is to “hire a president” - unless you are the CIA, and they do that all the time, duh. Someone has to offer their services. You are then lucky if you have a choice but there will be those with unbridled ambition and total self-centredness and maybe one or two who do have the country and its citizens at heart.

There is one on offer that I know of who at least is amongst “the best qualified and the most experienced”. Choose wisely, eh?

‘Can you not imagine a scenario where the use of a nuclear weapon, of any yield or magnitude and application, might need to be employed?”

Short amswer: No.

Let’s turn it around: Would you be willing to risk the human race just to get even? Not to mention the ‘collateral damage’ to the planet generally.

I wonder if WW2 Japan had had the retaliatory capability, would they have used it?

Be careful what you wish for. Given India, Pakistan, North Korea, Israel, and Russia that we know of ...

#95096 by Skruff

Open sites invite open expression.  While I regret some of the opinions expressed, they are indeed valid “opinions” assassinating posters because they do not conform to some (IMHO imagined) order of internet protocol is (again IMHO) facism.

I do believe you see the irony in the “progressives” who want to stifle freedom of expression.

This topic has become disappointing to post in yet the wankers at blog HQ at Truthdig merely add a few Smileys to their own favorite commenters’ postings instead of pro-actively administering it. Pathetic! Then Scheer + co. whine about Hillary not ‘pro-actively’ administering everything in Washington even though she is not yet president. Unbelieveable!

So much for the California lifestyle these days that the politically-correct obsessed trendies must compulsively insist that their Democrat president-to-be mouth only exactly that which exactly fits their pre-conceived narrow formulae about nuclear weapons. Meanwhile, heading towards another war in Pakistan and with Obama’s assistance, yet.

Regardless of the consequences, editorial fools like KS and Scheer then proceed to vivisect Hillary over the slightest perceived error rather than questioning their own all-pervasive clique’s abysmal ignorance of correct procedure in politics or government never mind the adroit application of “the art of war” in foreign affairs.

Thus, attacking mercilessly and flagellating their only future presidential saviour, they fail utterly in any comprehension of the superior “art of peace” about which they seem to have never heard. So much for the pretend-to-be Buddhists of West-coast USA. Are they following Barbara Boxer or Arnie Swarzenegger? I tell ya - they can’t really make up their minds in “Cally-fornia”, these days!

#95063 by mackTN

It’s rude to take up reams of comment space and dominate commentary by arguing with posters who have agendas.

Everyone has an agenda. Even you, mack. Your problem seems to be accepting the need for a contrarian viewpoint. Absent that, what is left? A chorus of sycophants. What good is that?

This meta-discussion is sorely lacking here. You should be thankful for it.

It’s rude to take up reams of comment space and dominate commentary by arguing with posters who have agendas.  You, Lilmamzer repelled other posters with other points of views about the article at hand because you chose to confront an idiot--like you were going to change his mind or something. Or maybe you two work together with the intention of preventing discussion about certain articles. In any case, I hope Truthdig gets rid of the both of you. 

If you continue in this vein, you will be banned from commenting here.  I’m not the only one who has complained about this behavior.

#94974 by Douglas Chalmers

Yes [Douglas Chalmers]

“plant” “Rovian” “tactics” “tools” “smear”

It never ceases to amuse me (and not without some morbid interest, either) to see the streak of paranoia that runs through the landscape of the far left, and evident here especially. Any poster with a point of view that may deviate from the party line simply has to be a ‘plant’ or a paid agent provacateur. It couldn’t be the voice of an individual with his or her own ideas - that would contradict the myth of ‘unseen forces’ - and threaten the left’s cherished tenet of groupthink.
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but ‘lilmamzer’ has managed to actually say something too

No way!
Does that mean I haven’t been a good plant?

#94902 by PaulMagillSmith on 8/14 at 2:16 pmFrankly though, I believe lilmamzer might be a ‘plant’ in the vein of Rovian tactics, which use the tools of smear & slander to intentionally distract from the discussion at hand....” --------->

Yes, and posting repetitively at length taking up page space but ‘lilmamzer’ has managed to actually say something too. Kucinich has been “the perfect ‘useful idiot’ for the Democrats” (#94899 by lilmamzer on 8/14 at 1:58 pm) but they are now sadly using him to attack each other in this article re the Truthdig interview. The idea of having a WOMAN for PRESIDENT seems to frighten some of them, too......

“No matter how idyllic his message, it will never make it in the world of realpolitik....... The majority of American citizens ‘get it’. That is why Kucinich will never go anywhere...” (#94932 by lilmamzer on 8/14 at 5:42 pm)

#94912 by noodle

It’s really very simple. Let all the candidates just say “We (the U.S.) will never be the FIRST to use nuclear weapons no matter what the provocation.”

This discussion is a waste of time. It is emblematic of the spiraling off-ramp that has trapped the left and the Democratic party into irrelevance. It’s a political dead-end.

The US has no need to prove its bona fides as a free nation among free nations. The US should never make promises it might not be able to keep. Can you not imagine a scenario where the use of a nuclear weapon, of any yield or magnitude and application, might need to be employed?

If you cannot, you would have no business making policy decisions affecting the security of this nation or any of the many allies depending upon us for their security.

The majority of American citizens ‘get it’. That is why Kucinich will never go anywhere. No matter how idyllic his message, it will never make it in the world of realpolitik.

It’s really very simple. Let all the candidates just say “We (the U.S.) will never be the FIRST to use nuclear weapons no matter what the provocation.”

RE: #94890 by globalwarmingsucks on 8/14 at 1:02 pm
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“Well, from the perspective of someone who literally joined Truthdig only moments ago, it seems as though mackTN is making the most sense. lilmamzer, while you might not lie about your intentions to fight bigotry, I can’t fail to notice your glancing references to our country becoming an “Islamic hellhole”. Honestly? You think you’re somehow less of a bigot? mackTN’s right, you guys have only distracted so far.”

I have to agree with you here AND also what you said mackTN RE: #94868 by mackTN on 8/14 at 11:28 am
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“Why oh why are we so naive?  We fall for it all the time.  Don’t you know, people, that these campaigns have “fast-response” posters whose job it is to distract attention by posting bs in response to certain articles?”

After viewing some of his/her posts (lilmamzer) I even mentioned the same thing way back on this post #94550 on 8/13 at 10:03 am

“This has been a pretty nasty & vile thread, folks, and likely inspired by a foolish hypocrit named lilmamzer....”

(Sorry, as a new poster globalwarmingsucks, that you had to step into a thread like this. Unless we get the occasional rightie ‘schill’ the posts are usually more on topic, informative & energetic, but civil)

“Frankly though, I believe lilmamzer might be a ‘plant’ in the vein of Rovian tactics, which use the tools of smear & slander to intentionally distract from the discussion at hand.”

Just to show I was on topic I will repeat a few key sentences, with just one addition to clarify, to wit: All Jewish people are not neo-Con Zionist fascists AND not all Zionists are Jewish.

Back to the topic at hand:
RE: #94550 by PaulMagillSmith on 8/13 at 10:03 am
(119 comments total)

“DEFEND does not mean or equal ATTACK. Historically fascist regimes attack and democracies defend. Which do we want to be? 

We weren’t talking of an article about the Jewish or Islam (although I will admit there are some related issues involved). The discussion at hand is about the pre-emptive (OFFENSIVE) use of nuclear weapons.

As a matter of undeniable fact we are already using nuclear WMD (OFFENSIVELY) in the form of DU (depleted uranium) in the middle east, and have been doing so since the first Gulf War in 1991.”

I value other people’s opinions on the topic of pre-emptive use of nuclear weapons of any kind. My opinion is they are too deadly to both sides in a conflict from a medical, legal, humanitarian, and political standpoint, and should not be used...EVER.

Can we continue the discussion ON TOPIC from here?

lilmamzer is much more of a devilish and gross obscenity than he is a racist bigot. His kind can usually only be de-fanged by exorcism. Of course, a wooden stake through the heart or silver bullet has been known to do the trick on occasion - but he’s a lot more devilish and deceptive than a vampire! Melting also is sure to work. Yahweh usually gets these things right! The mere mentioning of the Name ( HaShem, or ‘Jesus the Christ’ ) will also drive them insane with rage. They have been known to stampede into the nearest body of water to drown themselves! Oh, wait - that’s swine (with a snout) - into which their demons escaped.

#94890 by globalwarmingsucks

lilmamzer, while you might not lie about your intentions to fight bigotry, I can’t fail to notice your glancing references to our country becoming an “Islamic hellhole”. Honestly?

Honestly. It could happen. There are people working hard to make that a reality. Kucinich is the perfect ‘useful idiot’ for just such an outcome.
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You think you’re somehow less of a bigot?

I’m not a bigot at all.
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I’m all for ending biases and prejudices (although, to be fair, I don’t think bickering with Godsend will accomplish that)

Nothing will change Godsend’s mind, but the point has been missed by you: when there is blatant and crude bigotry posted right in front of you and you simply step to the other side of the street without making at least a token response, you might as well just give up. You send the message that it’s OK, just let it ride, it’s not offensive enough to merit any kind of denunciation. And so the shame is on you for that. It’s called sticking up for what’s right.
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but that’s entirely irrelevant to this friggin’ sweet article that’s been posted. mackTN’s right, you guys have only distracted so far

Multi-threaded comments can be interesting and challenging. To rigidly insist on a ‘topic party line’ shows a lack of intellectual agility and imagination. If you ever could impose such a paucity of outlook on what should be a freewheeling exchange of ideas, it would be a shame, but not at all alien to leftist modes of thought.
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On topic: I love Kucinich. Apparently lilmamzer’s only problem with him is he’s to leftist, as though that makes him a less rational or honest man.

It’s not that he’s on the left, it’s that he’s a lightweight, and hasn’t a firm grasp of much of what he needs to in order to engage in serious policy-making. We’re all better off that he has no chance of ever becoming a chief executive in this country.
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Everything he says is born of sound logic and thorough research.

The vast majority of even left-of-center voters disagree with you on that. That is why Kucinich isn’t going anywhere.

http://www.crescentandcross.com/

Hate the Devil? Why would anyone hate the Devil - or his Zionist worshipers, running the Rogue State of Israel?! (theirs is a sordid and shameful history and littany of inhumane and inhuman behavior, far too long to list here). Do they deserve the hate of humanity and annihilation by Yahweh? You betcha!

There is no country in the world where ‘Regime-change’ is more desperately needed than Israel! Problem is, every time they change the Regime, the new one is worse than the previous one! What irony that Jews will yet again be victims of Nazism - the new and improved and home-grown variety: Zionism!

Not to worry, Yahweh will take care of ‘the rebellious house of Israel’, in His usual, very effective manner! It will be the Final ‘Regime-change’ in Israel. The world just has to wait, watch and try to get out of the way.

Sewer-rats like lilmamzer will be scurrying out of the penetrating light. They can run but they can’t hide!

Well, from the perspective of someone who literally joined Truthdig only moments ago, it seems as though mackTN is making the most sense. lilmamzer, while you might not lie about your intentions to fight bigotry, I can’t fail to notice your glancing references to our country becoming an “Islamic hellhole”. Honestly? You think you’re somehow less of a bigot? I’m all for ending biases and prejudices (although, to be fair, I don’t think bickering with Godsend will accomplish that), but that’s entirely irrelevant to this friggin’ sweet article that’s been posted. mackTN’s right, you guys have only distracted so far.

On topic: I love Kucinich. Apparently lilmamzer’s only problem with him is he’s to leftist, as though that makes him a less rational or honest man. Everything he says is born of sound logic and thorough research. I recognize his chances of winning are slim, but I think it’s unjust, because he’s the best candidate I’ve seen yet.

Sorry.  But the posts are so ridiculous that I refuse to even enter into a dialogue with something so ridiculous and off the mark.  All that does--as this does as well--is distract people off topic.  I’m surprised anyone gave him the pleasure of response.

If enough people report objectionable commenting, we’ll ensure that these threads stay focused with sincere dialogue from all perspectives.

#94879 by mackTN

You see how they take over these discussions?

There is an object lesson here for the far left, mackTN, and so far, at Truthdig and every other far left venue I have seen, the disgrace has been the failure to confront the most obscene bigotry right under their noses.

In this case, you make clucking noises but say nothing substantive about Godsend the many bigots here parroting his paranoid scapegoating, further proving my point about the failure of the left wing media.

You may wink and nod and at most pay lip service, but in the end you bring discredit upon the entire so-called Progressive movement for your collective failure.

You just can’t have it both ways.

You see how they take over these discussions?

#94873 by GodSend

Who wants who to win in 2008 is no longer relevant - if it was ever relevant. The only unresolved question is whether or not Zionists will be able to ‘elect’ one of their (many) candidates to the office of the president.

So much paranoia, so much anxiety, so much pure hatred.

It must suck to be you.

#94822 by GodSend

The Devil speaks through lilmamzer’s snout - only lies, deception, filth, obscenities and blasphemies emerge! “Get thee hence!” (that means SCRAM! in modern English)

How very medieval of you.

Who wants who to win in 2008 is no longer relevant - if it was ever relevant. The only unresolved question is whether or not Zionists will be able to ‘elect’ one of their (many) candidates to the office of the president.

If Bush becomes the ‘Dictator-in-Chief’ (most likely scenario), there won’t be an election. There will be a military coup (eventually) to put him out of our misery.

If Ron Paul wins, America will get an ‘extension’ of time, that’s all.

If the Zionists succeed in ‘electing’ the next president, it doesn’t matter if it’s a Republican, Democrat or Independent. The ultimate fate of America is sealed! There may be a Revolution (especially if there is a Military Draft) to make things more interesting - sorta goes hand-in-hand with the Grand Depression! (already in progress)

Hillary’s posturing and pandering makes me nervous, and I would be loathe to vote for her even if she won the primary. 

When we will learn?  We’ve already elected one guy who was a candidate only because of his relationship with another president.  If Bill had divorced Hillary as he wanted to long ago, she wouldn’t even be a senator, much less running for President. 

If she wins the primary, the Republicans will make a laughingstock of this and they desperately want her to win.  they can beat her, easily.  Why do you think Rove has left office?  He’s going to help drive up her numbers like crazy.  He’s invested in securing the Bush legacy and keeping all the Iraq stuff in friendly hands--not Democratic hands.

Why oh why are we so naive?  We fall for it all the time.  Don’t you know, people, that these campaigns have “fast-response” posters whose job it is to distract attention by posting bs in response to certain articles? 

Please think.

“No one comes to the Father except through Me” (Jesus the Christ)

‘No one’ means not ANYONE - be they ‘Christian’, Jew, Hindu, Buddhist, Taoist, Zionist (worshipers of Satan), agnostic, ecumenist, theist, or any other ‘ist’ who denies the Deity of Christ (to the exclusion of all other gods!) What could be more clear?!

“I and the Father are One” (so much for Judaism)

“When you have seen Me, you have seen the Father”

The Devil speaks through lilmamzer’s snout - only lies, deception, filth, obscenities and blasphemies emerge! “Get thee hence!” (that means SCRAM! in modern English)

PMS:

I read your post and I don’t SEE any area of disagreement! Yes, real Jews have to stop the abomination of Zionism dead in its tracks - before they fall victim to it. Zionism is the real enemy of the Jews! (SEE Alan Hart’s book: “Zionism: The Real Enemy of the Jews")

DECEPTION ( even of the ‘elect’ ) marks the End Times - and there is plenty of it going around these days - including 50 million or so-called ‘Christians’ (CUI). Hey, this is all prophecy being fulfilled!

#94805 by GodSend

They deny the Deity of Christ. That makes them enemies of God and of Jesus the Christ (God).

Yep. Along with Muslims, Buddhists, Zoroastrians, Hindus, Bahai, and everyone else on the planet.

And the best part of it all, Godsend, is that while most of these people don’t mind peacefully coexisting with Christians, the truth is they just don’t care about Jesus.

God, in his infinite wisdom, has granted the human race with many different paths to spiritual fulfillment.

It’s a big world. Deal with it.

Deal with it.

The ‘blame’ for the world’s predicament and coming Judgment falls on Zionists and their god, ‘the god of this world’ - known as the Devil!

Zionists are NOT real Jews (real Jews are Torah Jews - they obey Yahweh’s commandments - well, at least try to, sort of)

Zionists worship Satan in the “Synagogue of Satan”. They are the ‘rebellious house of Israel’ who will be MELTED in Yahweh’s furnace. (Ezekiel)

What about Judaism and real Jews?

They deny the Deity of Christ. That makes them enemies of God and of Jesus the Christ (God). Followers of Christ and real Jews (as well as Zionists and others) mix like oil and water! Where does the leave ZioChristians? It leaves them on the road to hell! - following the likes of Hagee and other so-called ‘Christian’ leaders who support the Rogue and Satanic State of Israel!

“There will be gnashing of teeth” - and lots of MELTING! (soon).

Who is lilmamzer? He is a soulless, living obscenity and offspring of the Devil! (a Son of Darkness). He is a shining example (Luciferian light) of what Zionists are like - UGHH! Don’t get too close!

#94784 by Kem Patrick on 8/14 at 4:20 am: “...Douglas Chalmers on 8/14 12:33am blasts Paul M smith for writng the truth. I read that article Paul quoted and he is correct. The Christian churches do suport Zionism and that is what Paul was conveying. Why state Mr. Smith is guilty of anything, I understood his message and it was a good one. I think you may have mis-understtod what he meant....” ------------>

Well, Kem Patrick, it looks like you and I both started in about the same way here - finding out the hard way just how lax and shoddy Truthdig really is despite their “Best Political Blog” of the year award. Never mind, perseverance brings rewards. They profit and get a “winning” reputation while we put in all the effort and talent for nothing except the chance to writeabout our own personal agendas. That is truly the California laid-back lifestyle!

# Quote Kem Patrick: “...Since Hillary Clinton has said, she would take nuclear weapons off of the table, I wonder if that would include depleted uranium...”

Sorry, Kem, join the army and you get to use the stuff. You then are the sucker. Do they care? No! Doesn’t the army also have an opinion on DU and a responsibility as well? That and a lot of other things should be made to disappear from the Earth forever, I agree.

But don’t think that WHO will help. They have already been infiltrated. Check what is happening at http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/index.php and at http://www.codexalimentarius.net/web/index_en.jsp
All of this is being subverted for profit:-
Quote: “...The Codex Alimentarius Commission was created in 1963 by FAO and WHO to develop food standards, guidelines and related texts such as codes of practice under the Joint FAO/WHO Food Standards Programme. The main purposes of this Programme are protecting health of the consumers and ensuring fair trade practices in the food trade, and promoting coordination of all food standards work undertaken by international governmental and non-governmental organizations....” ---------->

But, Kem, as far as my story you complained about is concerned, I too have checked my facts on AIPAC and the Christian Zionists, etc etc. and I have already addressed that separately under more appropriate topics here. There are also topics more directly related to issues of DU and Iraq. Check the links at the top of the page for more recent articles not on the front page, eh.

It is you who perhaps have misunderstood. The topic here is Hillary Clinton and Dennis Kucinich. He has now gone the way of candidates who have to make political capital by attacking other candidates. By implication, this topic is also about Barack Obama, nuclear weapons and pre-emptive strikes but mainly in regard to the forthcoming Pakistan problem.

Just like the Iraqis, I guess they too will “Love America” for killing their people, polluting the land and water and mutating their children and forcing millions into homelessness. The USA missed is chance there in the 1960’s and things have gone backwards ever since. How does that make them evil? If there is one thing Christian Americans hate, its another inconvenient democracy which is choosing Islam.

As I said, the problem is in the USA, not in Israel. Americans only have to change their ludicrously selfish and self-righteous agendas on foreign affairs to stop all of these problems. If Americans have been manipulated by pro-Israeli imperialist-expansionist Zionists, all they have to do is to say “No!”. Why don’t they?

My guess is that both Nancy Pelosi and Hillary will eventually sidestep the AIPAC crowd and their Christian supporters. As with a number of problematical issues, though, that too will take some time and effort. Policy is changing but it can’t change much yet while it can still all be vetoed by the “decider guy”. He is not a Democrat, by the way, but he has become an embarrassment to his own party which now risks cumulative electoral disaster. They want change now, too.

#94784 by Kem Patrick

Douglas Chalmers on 8/14 12:33am blasts Paul M smith for writng the truth. I read that article Paul quoted and he is correct. The Christian churches do suport Zionism and that is what Paul was conveying. Why state Mr. Smith is guilty of anything, I understood his message and it was a good one. I think you may have mis-understtod what he meant.

Can’t you be more direct?

Just say it: the vast majority of Jews in America and around the world are Zionist (naturally). They are Zionist because Zionism is an inseparable part of Jewish culture and identity.

To believe otherwise would be evidence of willful ignorance or typical far-left identity-politics scapegoating.

Do you want to end up like Godsend? Falling into the lazy trap of pinning blame on the boogeyman of your choosing?

Kudos to Douglas Chalmers for bucking the Truthdig trend in this regard.

Douglas Chalmers on 8/14 12:33am blasts Paul M smith for writng the truth. I read that article Paul quoted and he is correct. The Christian churches do suport Zionism and that is what Paul was conveying. Why state Mr. Smith is guilty of anything, I understood his message and it was a good one. I think you may have mis-understtod what he meant.

Never mind again, it did post, I;llstick around. I’m sorry.