yo, godsend lets be logical & safe, lets not suggest selling everything.

Good article, but you got the date wrong (it was in AUGUST, not APRIL, 1945):

As noted in the Strategic Bombing Survey conducted at President Harry Truman’s request, when the bomb hit Hiroshima on April 6, 1945, “nearly all the school children ... were at work in the open,” to…

although i agree with the effects of the bomb on the japanese it is quintessential hindsight to assume that surrender was ‘just around the corner’. conviently you don’t mention the civilians ground up by the japanese! ask the people in nanking and many other countries. do you also separate what the germans did to london or the jews!! also we only had 2 bombs to use to gain the advantage. there was some question as to whether these would work and what the effect would be. considering how fiercly the japanese had fought until then why would we assume they would stop if we blew up another fort ? and why wasn’t there an immediate surrender after the first bomb? no, you’re grasping at straws here but certainly iraq is the worst military action yet by this country!

Some of the comments made about the facts behind the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki are astounding.

1. Before the bombing of Hiroshima the Japanese Military was contemplating a coup to prevent any discussion of surrender. Even after the Bombing of Nagasaki some Japan’s Generals attempted a coup to prevent Hirohito from surrendering.  I don’t think they were as close to surrender as people are making out.

2.  During World War II Japan suffered 580,000 civilian casualites, by comparison they murdered over 25 Million civilians throught Asia.  Forgive me if I don’t view them as the peace loving nation people are trying to portray here.

Personally, I find the irony in liberal viewpoints completely hilarious.  You are all about what terrorists the United States is when it comes to innocent civilians, children especially.  However, you are all in favor of abortion on demand, all the way up to late term abortion occurring shortly before birth.  I am surprised that given your stance you don’t consider incinerating 300,000 civilians a form of retroactive abortion. Of course, if you did see things that way, then everything would be just fine and the people holding your particular viewpoint would have nothing to whine and complain about.  God forbid, a liberal without a complaint.

Re: #93299 by Douglas Chalmers

Thank you Doug for your comment to my posting.  I will not argue with what you say since it is entirely accurate.  I was merely thinking about the victims of Japanese aggression (who were not personally guilty of their country’s sins any more than you or I are for Bush’s), and the fact that the Japanese did not demonstrate much pity when they had the upper hand.  To put it in other words, the Japanese seem more sensitive to their pain than the pain they inflicted on others.  Of course that applies equally to the USA – remember Newsweek’s cover story “ Charlie Company – What Vietnam did to us” (should read “Charlie Company – what WE DID TO VIETNAM”).

All war is immoral.  The thing is - don’t start one because as there are no rules in war, you cannot foresee how it will evolve or end, and you may not like the result.  The Japanese gambled and lost.

As far as the USA is concerned, I think we have a long litany of sins to atone for, and that we persist in stupid and immoral wars of aggression.  This merely serves to alienate the entire planet which I do not think is good thing in a moral sense or indeed beneficial to our long term interests in a practical sense.  We have to clean out the outhouse and the best place to start is at home, but that is impossible given the complete sidelining of the populace in the selection and exercise of Power.  Look at the Democrats winning on the wave of public discontent and not even slapping Bush on the wrist.  I think the country is in thrall to a Jewish American lobby who seems more concerned about the fate of Israel than the USA - why else would they foist policies that are detrimental to the very USA?  They are like a swarm of locusts picking at the carcass of the USA, or Clement Vallandingham in the Civil War.  They certainly do not care about the country, nor the fact that it is universally loathed throughout the planet.  The press refer to Israel as an “ally” – an ally in my book is someone who helps you.  I do not see how the State of Israel’s intransigent policies help the USA.  Someone please explain this to me.

Any discussion of this leads to immediate accusations of being anti semitic, thereby conveniently short circuiting any intelligent examination of underlying issues (which is the goal of the accusation of course).

I unfortunately do not see any positive issue to this conundrum

Frankly, I think the money spent on Iraq would have been more efficiently spent on subsidizing Saddam to keep things quiet and the price of oil low whilst we invested in developing stable renewable alternative energy sources and a transport infrastructure suitable for a post Hubbard Peak scenario at home.  It would also have been a less bloody option.  But that alas, does not suit the agenda of the AIPAC community, the paid insects who scribble their poison in their subsidised Think Tanks, and the Halliburton / Brown and Root / Blackwater business elites who profit handsomely from the quagmire and looting of our public coffers in lucrative “no bid” contracts.  For “Quagmire” in yours and my book = “several years of stable operating cash flows which optimise ROE and P/E ratios and improve our credit ratings” in their books.  Major Smedley Butler, twice recipient of the Medal of Honor and a Marine hit the nail on the head with his treatise “War is a Racket”.

These issues, of course, are subsumed in a wave of patriotic hysteria.  Our poor fellow Americans clutch the flag like Charlie Brown’s security blanket and fail to see that patiotism isn’t about waving a piece of cloth and shooting up a bunch of natives in Sand Creek, My Lai, or Haditha.  It is about concern of the welfare of your fellow co-citizens which constitute the body politic and your home.

All we can do is sit on the hill and watch the terrible yet fascinating train wreck.

Apparently Elder Earl considers the death of 3/4 of a million Iraqi’s, and the displacement of over 3 million as a clensing by the righteous Eagle of Iraq ? I hear all those carpet bombs and irradiated ordinance keep clensing long after the conflict is over too, what a bargain. Don’t you suppose all this “clensing” is going to drive more muslims to want to get over hear to do some “clensing” of their own ? Why is it that when we drop a 500 lb bomb in a neighborhood its justified and when an insurgent blows himself up in a market place its a terrorist act ? Its the same mentality, using religion to excuse death and destruction for power. How many times do we have to repeat this luunacy before we wake up ? Earl, in a former life were you up front with the conquistidors as they used the catholic religion to savage latin america decimating whole civilizations ? Perhaps you wouldv’e had a chair at the spanish inquisition ? Or the slaughter of Constanopal and Jerusalem during the crusades ?  Sounds like just another one of the conservative religous boobs who helped elect this criminal administration.

I thank God everyday for the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki as my father was on a troop transport in August of 1945 heading toward Japan.  He would have been among the first waves of the projected invasion force of the Japanese home islands, and based upon past battles and island incursions against the Japs, his prospects for survival were not too good.

As far as I’m concerned, the saving of a single American life was well worth a couple hundred thousand nuclear fried Nips, and if the vile America-hating scumbag communist filthstain Robert Scheer doesn’t like that he can kiss my Red, White and Blue America-LOVING behind.

Atlas Collins

What a moron this guy is.  If only we could end the Islamic jihad with a couple of well placed nukes.

Elder Earl

“Since America is typically represented by an eagle.”

The Third Reich was also represented (typically) by an eagle. and they believed (as you)that they would be the “cleansing agent” in the middle east.

OOps, didn’t work.

I attempt to be civil in all my posts, but your reference to killing Japanese women and children because;

“Those same civilians breed new soldiers, engineers, scientist, factory workers,...”

sounde very similar to John Milton Chivington’s rationalization for killing Cheyenne women and children at Sand Creek, Colorado in 1864; He said;

“Nits breed lice”

I’m sorry, but this position is disgusting. and since I’m responsible for my employee’s behavior, I have to feel deep shame.

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ALL of you assholes ought to be worried about TODAY and the future, instead of squandering time about the past!!! america is dying and you worry about japs and jews! FOLLY!

Common excuses for justification of mass murder of innocents.
1) They started it
2) They would not surrender
3) We behaved beneficently after the war.
None of this matters. You cannot commit mass murder of innocents for these or any reasons. Even this country itself will not last forever, at least in its present incarnation, and what should its legacy be to history? That we killed as many civilians as it took to WIN as war? That unconditional surrender as established as the gold standard for war was perhaps the most pernicious result to emerge from WWII.

Given the history, and history is the key word here, of the behavior of the U.S. prior to WWII, it’s no wonder we were attacked…then as now.

The Devil may be in the details, but there is much to be learned from a broad overview of history (there’s that pesky word again). We are not different from our neighbors. 
“Culture is the cloth in which we wrap our humanity.” 
Given the size of the world…we are all neighbors.  All governments are ruled by scoundrels, with rare exception, and we must, to the best of our abilities, cast off the blinders of ethnocentricity before we can truly consider ourselves to be liberated.  Seeing is not possible with the eyes alone.  The real history of our planet may yet be discovered and revealed in the far distant future.  It will not be comforting and is not completely available to us now.

“Where there is a stink of shit, there is a smell of being.”Antonin Artaud

#93198 by Macko

As an historian who’s been working on a book about the end of the war for some years now, I’d have to go along with this interpretation. Macko, you’re 100% on the money.

No matter what we say or do to make ourselves feel better about the way we live as a species, we all will get what we deserve in the end. What it is, we will never know in life, but in death, you can bet your ass you’re going to find out, good or bad. Choose how you live, wisely…

Most don’t know that Hiroshima and Nagasaki followed the relentless U.S. firebombing/napalming of 67 Japanese cities. If I can copy/paste the list from film, The Fog of War, I’ll do so here. If that doesn’t work, please see the film.

Name of Japanese city firebombed  
Percentage of the city destroyed  
Equivalent in size to the following American city

Yokohama   58   Cleveland
Tokyo   51   New York
Toyama   99   Chattanooga
Nagoya   40   Los Angeles
Osaka   35.1   Chicago
Nishinomiya   11.9   Cambridge
Siumonoseki   37.6   San Diego
Kure   41.9   Toledo
Kobe   55.7   Baltimore
Omuta   35.8   Miami
Wakayama   50   Salt Lake City
Kawasaki   36.2   Portland
Okayama   68.9   Long Beach
Yawata   21.2   San Antonio
Kagoshima   63.4   Richmond
Amagasaki   18.9   Jacksonville
Sasebo   41.4   Nashville
Moh   23.3   Spokane
Miyakonoio   26.5   Greensboro
Nobeoka   25.2   Augusta
Miyazaki   26.1   Davenport
Hbe   20.7   Utica
Saga   44.2   Waterloo
Imabari   63.9   Stockton
Matsuyama   64   Duluth
Fukui   86   Evansville
Tokushima   85.2   Ft. Wayne
Sakai   48.2   Forth Worth
Hachioji   65   Galveston
Kumamoto   31.2   Grand Rapids
Isezaki   56.7   Sioux Falls
Takamatsu   67.5   Knoxville
Akashi   50.2   Lexington
Fukuyama   80.9   Macon
Aomori   30   Montgomery
Okazaki   32.2   Lincoln
Oita   28.2   Saint Joseph
Hiratsuka   48.4   Battle Creek
Tokuyama   48.3   Butte
Yokkichi   33.6   Charlotte
Uhyamada   41.3   Columbus
Ogaki   39.5   Corpus Christi
Gifu   63.6   Des Moines
Shizuoka   66.1   Oklahoma City
Himeji   49.4   Peoria
Fukuoka   24.1   Rochester
Kochi   55.2   Sacramento
Shimizu   42   San Jose
Omura   33.1   Sante Fe
Chiba   41   Savannah
Ichinomiya   56.3   Sprinfield
Nara   69.3   Boston
Tsu   69.3   Topeka
Kuwana   75   Tucson
Toyohashi   61.9   Tulsa
Numazu   42.3   Waco
Chosi   44.2   Wheeling
Kofu   78.6   South Bend
Utsunomiya   43.7   Sioux City
Mito   68.9   Pontiac
Sendai   21.9   Omaha
Tsuruga   65.1   Middleton
Nagaoka   64.9   Madison
Hitachi   72   Little Rock
Kumagaya   55.1   Kenosha
Hamamatsu   60.3   Hartford
Maebashi   64.2   Wheeling

Oops…my error.

I wrote that the Soviets declared war 3 days after Hiroshima. That was a mistake, it was 2 days after Hiroshima and 1 day short of Nagasaki. They’re timing was the truly significant aspect…they were desperate to get a piece of Japan…but Truman wasn’t going to allow it. And so it went…and so it goes…

Mr. Schneer…

In your report you seem to give the impression that Eisenhower was consulted. He was not.

He was informed by Stimson that they were going to drop it. But he was never officially asked for his opinion, and his feelings did not become known publically till long after.

“The incident took place in 1945 when Secretary of War Stimson, visiting my headquarters in Germany, informed me that our government was preparing to drop an atomic bomb on Japan. I was one of those who felt that there were a number of cogent reasons to question the wisdom of such an act. I was not, of course, called upon, officially, for any advice or counsel concerning the matter, because the European theater, of which I was the commanding general, was not involved, the forces of Hitler having already been defeated. But the Secretary, upon giving me the news of the successful bomb test in New Mexico, and of the plan for using it, asked for my reaction, apparently expecting a vigorous assent.

“During his recitation of the relevant facts, I had been conscious of a feeling of depression and so I voiced to him my grave misgivings, first on the basis of my belief that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary, and secondly because I thought that our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the use of a weapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives. It was my belief that Japan was, at that very moment, seeking some way to surrender with a minimum loss of “face.” The Secretary was deeply perturbed by my attitude, almost angrily refuting the reasons I gave for my quick conclusions.”(General Eisenhower, The White House Years, pp. 312-313).

I think it appropriate to mention that the Soviet Union declared war on Japan 62 years ago today. Please note, that put it’s declaration at 3 days AFTER Hiroshima and 1 day BEFORE Nagasaki. Curious timing, wouldn’t you say?

I believe this is a key to one of the dirty little secrets regarding the REAL reason that the atomic bombs were used on Japan…i.e. the bombings were more about saber rattling for the benefit of the Soviets, who had their eyes on the prize, aka Japan, than it was about defeating Japan (which was already all but defeated). The Soviets wanted to do to Japan what was done to Germany, namely, to split it up and have each ally get a juicy piece of the pie. Truman however, wanted Japan for the US only…and he was willing to butcher as many Japanese (or Japs in his parlance) as possible to make his bloody point to the Soviets…which was, go ahead and try it, and see what happens when we drop a bomb on Moscow! These attacks were a direct threat against the Soviet Union…made so clear by the timing of their war declaration, which the US government certainly saw coming. Timing is everything in international affairs, and the timing of these bombings couldn’t have been more precise…thanks to Los Alamos meeting the schedule.

The end result of all this? The arms race, which the Soviets joined as a result of the clear threat from the US, became a multi-decade exercise in futility and desperation…and greed.

And thus was created the war profiteers dearest dream, the Cold War (which by definition could not be fought) as an engine of endless profits for decades to come (over 5 trillion dollars of US tax dollars spent, without Congressional oversight, between 1945-1995). Truman almost single-handedly created the world that I was born into, one that ALWAYS included the threat of global thermonuclear war at a moments notice. Fear was the order of the day, and fear drove people not to question…a lot like today.

From the mind of monumental GORE VIDAL:
“It is not possible to regard our race with anything but alarm… From primeval ooze to the stars, we killed anything that stood in our way, including each other.”

To dear little hysterical 1drees

It is obvious that you do not like the USA, based on your hysterical text (which is a fairly understandable reaction given our obscene and bullying policies), but since this is a discussion forum instead of an insult session, what exactly is the point you are trying to make? Why don’t you learn how to organise your ideas and write- clearly instead of throwing mud like a frustrated child? 

Your text is an incoherent mess full of insults but absent of any intelligent observations or constructive suggestions. It illustrates the intellectual vacuity of your mind, and of contemporary Arab (or is that Islamic) thinking, fostered by your failing educational systems, which teach submission but not critical self analysis.

Your rant is typically Arab/Islamic in that it is hysterical but incoherent and directionless, a slave to your emotions. People from your culture don’t even have the clarity of thought on how to change a spare tire or a lightbulb. That is why you will always be Arabs, driving like disorganised maniacs, ignoring traffic discipline, safety, and rules, on your potholed roads (while your governments park the country’s money in their Swiss Bank Accounts), in your unwashed, dirty, and poorly maintained cars where the radiators burst and the brakes fail but your car radios blast wailing music.

Your letter illustrates perfectly the intellectual vacuity fostered by your culture: your individual intellectual vacuity which is overruled by your inability to control your emotions, your collective lack of intellectual or organisational discipline as a people (who keep their homes clean but throw their garbage on the sidewalks), and the corrupt and irresponsible nature of your selfish governments which divert your countries’ physical and financial resources from modernising your countries, and tendency to BLAME THESE FAILURES ON OTHER PEOPLE, be they Western individuals/multinationals/countries.

You Arabs say you hate us but in reality you respect us - enough to always ask us for money.  I live in one of your countries and that is the limit of my contact with your people - all they do is ask me for money but they never want to have the discipline of working hard for that money.  They all dream or moving to Europe.  And at the root of this (and your rant) is the ultimate truth - you Arabs have no self respect. It is the penultimate result of your religion. To “submit”.

That is why Israel, despite its numerous faults and obscene political characteristics, will always dominate the Arab World and people like you.  Despite their loss of morality and empathy for their fellow human beings, Israelis have an intellectual rigour and discipline for hard work which Arabs (or is that the Islamic World) lacks, and which your rant illustrates perfectly.

I’m getting in late on the conversations about whether America “saved” European Jewry from Hitler, and the comment was made about U.S. forces liberating the death camps late in the war, because they were already in Germany, which was accurate.

I have seen the memo, I believe from the State Department, where someone from that organization was responding to requests to bomb either the camps or the railroad lines. It actually came down to an ACCOUNTING DECISION. Which was laid out in mathematical detail, why they couldn’t spare just a FEW aircraft to bomb the railroad lines.

The comment was made, at the end of the memo, that the best thing the United States could do to stop the killing of the Jews was just to win the war as quickly as possible.

Oh, yea, that’s a big help, alright. They could have intervened and saved possibly thousands of lives, in the meantime, but they just couldn’t spare a few planes…

Just sickening…

Are we getting a little off the subject? 
Scheer’s point, as I understand it, is that targeting civilians in order to dramatize one’s ability and willingness to do whatever it takes to “win” is essentially equal to targeting civilians in order to dramatize one’s ability and willingness to do whatever it takes to “win.” 
There aren’t a lot of things in this world that are black and white, but one thing pretty much every civilized human being can agree on is that the taking of even a single innocent life in order to demonstrate the willingness to do whatever it takes to “win” (achieve one’s goal) is “terrorism,” that the target audience has been “terrorized,” and that anyone guilty of doing so is a “terrorist.”

Er. uh, when will the Japanese, as a people and as a nation, show contrition for actions in China and Korea well before the incident at Pearl Harbor?  When will the Japanese show contrition for their treatment of Occidental prisoners of war?

Sorry, Vern, but your premise does not compute.

Terrorism has been plaguing our world for ages now and it’s time we put a stop to it. According to the Borgen Project, 78% of Americans agree that fighting poverty is an effective way of fighting terrorism. Yet we remove ourselves from contributing to humanitarian causes and fund multi-billion dollar wars.

“Sheer” idiocy.

World War II was a terrible war, and the people of the United States were sick of it.  With two nuclear strikes, the surpise application of overwhelming, murderous force, the infuriated U.S. people ended that war while incurring few additional casualties.

That’s how victors end wars.

By way of contrast, the Iraqi terrorist attacks end nothing but lives.

And as for the Japanese lives lost at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, now we can afford to feel the pity for the dead and wounded we couldn’t afford in 1945.

“War’s don’t decide who’s right—only who’s left.”  Don’t know who said that, but truer, more pathetic words were never spoken.

To Bill Abernathy,

More than one million Iraqi civilians have been killed as a direct result of the illegal invasion of Iraq—a war based on lies for the purposes of setting up permanent military bases in the Middle East (after Saudi Arabia asked us to leave)securing Iraqi oil.  The initial “shock and awe” campaign killed many thousands of civilians instantly.  If that’s not terrorism, if war is not terrorism on civilian populations, I don’t know what else anyone could call it.  War is terrorism, Bill.

The Americans do ( silently) pride themselves as the great Warrior Nation, I mean look at the last 40 years & you will see 10 nations or people attacked. it is a Warrior Agenda of the Zionist Jews that you
“goyims” are under, see “Protocols of ZION”. Maybe you Goyims should start doing what the jews do to get things done in USA.
Maybe you people should circulate the News & the phone numbers to call in the days you goyims are running the campaign for the delivery of your message to the congress. and then assign people to remind others to make calls, all this requires organisation BUT your GOVT might not let you all Organise at all, coz the confiscation of iraq war opposer’s
Property has been signed already.
THE US congress number and the instruction to call congress for flow of funds to Israel is always posted in some jewish papers and then there are people who call others on the phone to get them to make the call
and so that they do not forget. SEE how they insist on being heard while you Goyims just been living FREE fine & dandy in lalaland & your tax dollars been paying for tremendous losses to the other people eg
Palestinians, Pamanans, Nicraguans, etc etc & OF course the jews & the Israelis love you for that but they might not love you too much for that only.
Other Than that, unless Americans Steer away from the WW3, we all will be soon there. And in Wars there are always surprises and upsets coz barely ever any plan goes as per plan, iraq & vietnam are best
examples, the army presumed the the resistance to roll over & play dead. Most of the world couldnt care less about Americans BUT its the Death & Destruction that you export that everyone abhors and wants to
avoid.
America the Great land of ................ whatever, you bet, as long as you can stay away from killing and funding other people’s death. which in the the present situation is impossible as even the new
hopeful candidates are trying to feed the WAR HUNGRY by promising wars here And there. really astounding to hear when i thought that the nation was sick of wars & plundering. People couldnt care less BUT the
USA future is , of course, very WARRY in the next few years too UNLESS some people actually do try and cause a change or it will be observed once again the “the good ol USofA” has Massacred another few millions.
US Forces have used all possible ILLEGAL WEAPONS in iraq BUT still are very limited in iraq, so that does mean that your technical superiority in death machines has been not much of a help, no matter how many you have killed so far, but you still managed to kill a little extra whose relatives take your soldiers out 1 by 1, maybe your bombings killed
complete blocks but these insurgents are so far quiet patient as were the vietnamese or indian Indians or other people who ever tried to resist occupation and/or imperialism. The American Indians tried their
best but they evidently failed &  the native could only complain of ” White man speaks with forked tongue” ( translation the newcomming white
boys lie like hell & their word is worth ZILCH, sounds exactly like a typical American president except JFK)

I can’t believe that commentors are condoning the use of nuclear weapons against civilians for any reason whatsoever. God, you people make me puke.

On Comment #93120 by Scott:  They claimed they only had six bombs, and didn’t want to waste any on a demonstration dropping.  They also targeted Hiroshima because it had a military base, but dropped the bomb on the center of the city.  Also, they dropped it at 8:15 in the morning, when many people were still outside on their way to work and school.

On the anniversary of the Hiroshima Atomic Bombing, I always think about the multiple bayoneting and raping of Chinese civilians by the Japanese in Nanking, the Bataan Death March where thousands of American and Filipino POWs were summarily beheaded and perished, the summary seizure and execution of the entire French Colonial Administration in Hanoi (including civilians) on 9 March 1945, and the seizure of “comfort women” by the Japanese - all voluntarily aggressive acts against noncombatants which Japan has expunged from its’ collective memory, still has not apologized for, or financially compensated the victims.

The Mayor of Hiroshima seems to forget to ask the central question of why the atomic bombing occurred.

Linking the atomic bombing to Iraq is tantamount to juxtaposing incongruencies - it is simply irrelevant to WW2 as a whole, or to Iraq.

Before criticising this unfortunate act of war, it might also be helpful to compare the loss of life of the bombings with that of the alternate options - such as Gen Curtis LeMay’s fire-bombings of Tokyo, or the invasions of mainland Japan in Operations “Coronet” and “Olympic” (remembering the mass suicides of Japanese civilians in Saipan upon US occupation of the island).

Likewise, Iraq can be criticised on its’ own merits without such sloppy comparisons.

By the way the bomb hit Hiroshima on August 6, not April 6.

I find the comparison between terrorist and an act of war as a liberal bias.  It sadden me to see mans reasoning against a government who according to the laws of God are to execute judgement against evil doers.  This includes all who are under the authority of the evil leaders, who in the case of Japan would have preferred to die than surrender.

If I must choose between the deaths of those who walk justly or the evil doer…Well duh!  I would have done what President Truman did.

The Americans do ( silently) pride themselves as the great Warrior Nation, I mean look at the last 40 years & you will see 10 nations or people attacked. it is a Warrior Agenda of the Zionist Jews that you “goyims” are under, see “Protocols of ZION”. Maybe you Goyims should start doing what the jews do to get things done in USA.
Maybe you people should circulate the News & the phone numbers to call in the days you goyims are running the campaign for the delivery of your message to the congress. and then assign people to remind others to make calls, all this requires organisation BUT your GOVT might not let you all Organise at all, coz the confiscation of iraq war opposer’s Property has been signed already.
THE US congress number and the instruction to call congress for flow of funds to Israel is always posted in some jewish papers and then there are people who call others on the phone to get them to make the call and so that they do not forget. SEE how they insist on being heard while you Goyims just been living FREE fine & dandy in lalaland & your tax dollars been paying for tremendous losses to the other people eg Palestinians, Pamanans, Nicraguans, etc etc & OF course the jews & the Israelis love you for that but they might not love you too much for that only.
Other Than that, unless Americans Steer away from the WW3, we all will be soon there. And in Wars there are always surprises and upsets coz barely ever any plan goes as per plan, iraq & vietnam are best examples, the army presumed the the resistance to roll over & play dead. Most of the world couldnt care less about Americans BUT its the Death & Destruction that you export that everyone abhors and wants to avoid.
America, the Great land of ................ whatever, you bet, as long as you can stay away from killing and funding other people’s death. which in the the present situation is impossible as even the new hopeful candidates are trying to feed the WAR HUNGRY by promising wars here And there. really astounding to hear when i thought that the nation was sick of wars & plundering. People couldnt care less BUT the USA future is , of course, very WARRY in the next few years too UNLESS some people actually do try and cause a change it will be observed once again the “the good ol USofA” has Massacred another few millions.
US Forces have used all possible ILLEGAL WEAPONS in iraq BUT still are very limited in iraq, so that does mean that your technical superiority in death machines has been not much of a help, no matter how many you have killed so far, but you still managed to kill a little extra whose relatives take your soldiers out 1 by 1, maybe your bombings killed complete blocks but these insurgents are so far quiet patient as were the vietnamese or indian Indians or other people who ever tried to resist occupation and/or imperialism. The American Indians tried their best but they evidently failed &  the native could only complain of ” White man speaks with forked tongue” ( translation the newcomming white boys lie like hell & their word is worth ZILCH, sounds exactly like a typical American president except JFK)

let’s not compare somebody who started a war with somebody who ended one

If any of you ever have the chance, I highly recommend going to Hiroshima. For me, any lingering arguments for dropping the bomb were dispelled after visiting the city.  See it for yourself, and then decide whether you can justify the bomb.  I cannot.

Interesting that the, children being outside and exposed, approach to terror, that we now condemn, is also the one used in Waco against Mt Carmel.  What actually happened there is that, due to bad “intelligence,” they were trapped underground.  If the plan was to terrorize the adults into surrendering after they had seen their children mowed down, or to draw the adults into the way of automatic fire in a effort to save or protect their children, the result was that they fought to their deaths to defend them.
And please lets not forget the firebombing of the non military target of Heidelberg, Germany.  It was a pure act of cruelty that we supported

If the point of these acts of cruelty was to warn the world against attacking us in the future, then why does not Congress use the same warning by using impeachment and criminal prosecutions against the Bushies as a warning to future wannabe dictators??

Thank you for mentioning that Eisenhower did not think the A-bombing was necessary,  I have always believed it was a political CYA for pouring 1 Billion plus 1940’s dollars into the project.  That expenditure would have to be justified after the war ended, so the bombs had to be used somewhere.  And the Military so loves to try out its new killing toys on people who can’t defend themselves.  Just so much collateral damage.

Hiroshima Day is NOT April 6, 1945.  Think.  Proof-read.  Edit.  We dropped the first bomb on Hiroshima on AUGUST 6, 1945.  And you know how important details are….  Sigh….

Mr Scheer winners writehistory.You could add to the acts of terrorism by the United States and Britain the bombing of Dresden.Even if all the people who say it ended the war more quickly are correct it is still considered terrorism when you attack civilian populations to effect a change by a government.Of course the back end to my first statement is that history is lies agreed upon.