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Posted on Aug 6, 2007
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By Chris Hedges

The war in Iraq is about to get worse—much worse.  The Democrats’ decision to let the war run its course, while they frantically wash their hands of responsibility, means that it will sputter and stagger forward until the mission collapses.  This will be sudden.  The security of the Green Zone, our imperial city, will be increasingly breached.  Command and control will disintegrate.  And we will back out of Iraq humiliated and defeated.  But this will not be the end of the conflict.  It will, in fact, signal a phase of the war far deadlier and more dangerous to American interests. 

Iraq no longer exists as a unified country.  The experiment that was Iraq, the cobbling together of disparate and antagonistic patches of the Ottoman Empire by the victorious powers in the wake of World War I, belongs to the history books.  It will never come back.  The Kurds have set up a de facto state in the north, the Shiites control most of the south and the center of the country is a battleground.  There are 2 million Iraqis who have fled their homes and are internally displaced. Another 2 million have left the country, most to Syria and Jordan, which now has the largest number of refugees per capita of any country on Earth. An Oxfam report estimates that one in three Iraqis are in need of emergency aid, but the chaos and violence is so widespread that assistance is impossible.  Iraq is in a state of anarchy.  The American occupation forces are one more source of terror tossed into the caldron of suicide bombings, mercenary armies, militias, massive explosions, ambushes, kidnappings and mass executions.  But wait until we leave.

It was not supposed to turn out like this.  Remember all those visions of a democratic Iraq, visions peddled by the White House and fatuous pundits like Thomas Friedman and the gravel-voiced morons who pollute our airwaves on CNN and Fox News?  They assured us that the war would be a cakewalk.  We would be greeted as liberators.  Democracy would seep out over the borders of Iraq to usher in a new Middle East.  Now, struggling to salvage their own credibility, they blame the debacle on poor planning and mismanagement.

There are probably about 10,000 Arabists in the United States—people who have lived for prolonged periods in the Middle East and speak Arabic.  At the inception of the war you could not have rounded up more than about a dozen who thought this was a good idea.  And I include all the Arabists in the State Department, the Pentagon and the intelligence community.  Anyone who had spent significant time in Iraq knew this would not work.  The war was not doomed because Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz did not do sufficient planning for the occupation.  The war was doomed, period.  It never had a chance.  And even a cursory knowledge of Iraqi history and politics made this apparent.

This is not to deny the stupidity of the occupation.  The disbanding of the Iraqi army; the ham-fisted attempt to install the crook and, it now turns out, Iranian spy Ahmed Chalabi in power; the firing of all Baathist public officials, including university professors, primary school teachers, nurses and doctors; the failure to secure Baghdad and the vast weapons depots from looters; allowing heavily armed American units to blast their way through densely populated neighborhoods, giving the insurgency its most potent recruiting tool—all ensured a swift descent into chaos.  But Iraq would not have held together even if we had been spared the gross incompetence of the Bush administration.  Saddam Hussein, like the more benign dictator Josip Broz Tito in the former Yugoslavia, understood that the glue that held the country together was the secret police.     

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Iraq, however, is different from Yugoslavia.  Iraq has oil—lots of it.  It also has water in a part of the world that is running out of water.  And the dismemberment of Iraq will unleash a mad scramble for dwindling resources that will include the involvement of neighboring states.  The Kurds, like the Shiites and the Sunnis, know that if they do not get their hands on water resources and oil they cannot survive.  But Turkey, Syria and Iran have no intention of allowing the Kurds to create a viable enclave.  A functioning Kurdistan in northern Iraq means rebellion by the repressed Kurdish minorities in these countries. The Kurds, orphans of the 20th century who have been repeatedly sold out by every ally they ever had, including the United States, will be crushed.  The possibility that Iraq will become a Shiite state, run by clerics allied with Iran, terrifies the Arab world.  Turkey, as well as Saudi Arabia, the United States and Israel, would most likely keep the conflict going by arming Sunni militias.  This anarchy could end with foreign forces, including Iran and Turkey, carving up the battered carcass of Iraq.  No matter what happens, many, many Iraqis are going to die.  And it is our fault. 

The neoconservatives—and the liberal interventionists, who still serve as the neocons’ useful idiots when it comes to Iran—have learned nothing.  They talk about hitting Iran and maybe even Pakistan with airstrikes.  Strikes on Iran would ensure a regional conflict.  Such an action has the potential of drawing Israel into war—especially if Iran retaliates for any airstrikes by hitting Israel, as I would expect Tehran to do.  There are still many in the U.S. who cling to the doctrine of pre-emptive war, a doctrine that the post-World War II Nuremberg laws define as a criminal “war of aggression.”
 
The occupation of Iraq, along with the Afghanistan occupation, has only furthered the spread of failed states and increased authoritarianism, savage violence, instability and anarchy.  It has swelled the ranks of our real enemies—the Islamic terrorists—and opened up voids of lawlessness where they can operate and plot against us.  It has scuttled the art of diplomacy.  It has left us an outlaw state intent on creating more outlaw states.  It has empowered Iran, as well as Russia and China, which sit on the sidelines gleefully watching our self-immolation.  This is what George W. Bush and all those “reluctant hawks” who supported him have bequeathed us. 

What is terrifying is not that the architects and numerous apologists of the Iraq war have learned nothing, but that they may not yet be finished.
 
Chris Hedges, the former Middle East bureau chief for The New York Times, spent seven years in the Middle East.  He was part of the paper’s team of reporters who won the 2002 Pulitzer Prize for coverage of global terrorism.  He is the author of “War Is a Force That Gives Us Meaning.”  His latest book is “American Fascists: The Christian Right and the War on America.” 


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By Eric L Prentis, August 6, 2007 at 11:15 am Link to this comment
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The US preemptive war of aggression against Iraq is now in an unwinable quagmire which will lead to a full scale catastrophe for the middle east. The only hope for Americans is to get out now before it is too late!

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By Erica, August 6, 2007 at 11:13 am Link to this comment
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What have we done? Every 3.6 seconds, another person dies from starvation [Borgen Project]. Apparently the world was already screwed up before the United States involvement. It was a critical point that the fate of our country would land on and the government made the wrong decision. Now it is time to act on the issue of Global Poverty and the new administration must make the right choices for it.

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By DaveF, August 6, 2007 at 11:07 am Link to this comment

Oil, Zionism, and the Christian desire for the return of Christ have all been mentioned as forces at play in the balkanization of the Middle East. I might add the Muslim conflict between Shia and Sunni fanatics as added fuel to the chaos enveloping the region.

This is a devil’s mixture that will explode in our faces with no party being the victor. It is so sad that we have come to this frightful edge from where we can see the depths of hell…

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By GodSend, August 6, 2007 at 11:04 am Link to this comment

BA: “In God we trust”, “God bless America!”, etc.

DaveF: We agree!

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By DaveF, August 6, 2007 at 10:50 am Link to this comment

GodSend:

“Pretty close!  I prefer to describe what we’re witnessing as: The Zionists are playing a deadly game of ‘Showdown’ with God - and they’re holding losing cards! Jewry had better get involved SOON and end this deadly game which is likely to produce lots of ‘collateral damage’!”

You have a point…. Not all Jews support the Zionists militant approach and not all Christians are hell bent to bring about Armageddon….

I apologize for implying such…

But there are enough fanatics in both camps that have the power and connections to push the moderate majority in each camp over the cliff…

If we start a shooting war with Iran I fear its curtains for millions….

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By Lou, August 6, 2007 at 10:45 am Link to this comment
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I have come to believe that all of the events in the Middle East Hedges describes and predicts in BEYOND DISASTER were planned by the Bushes, Cheney and the NeoCrooks. Most of what has happened is exactly what many people like myself who have studied events in the Middle East for the last forty years predicted - including the common knowledge that there were no WMD’s when the war started. And so I thought before and after that if I knew this without access to secret files, so does the CIA and other US intelligence agencies. So it must be a desired situation.
The “perpetual war” I mentioned last week is achievable, yet I wonder how the billionaires in their chateaus and villas can enjoy their billions with the also perpetual smoke and oil fires and threat of wider annihilation. Unless they get a villa on the moon, they too should be concerned about what is happening.

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By David, August 6, 2007 at 10:41 am Link to this comment
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Hey,
We are out of time. There is nothing we can do to save the country.  Its over. There is no solutions. This ridiculous idea of the “American Can Do” spirit that created this problem can not fix it.  This is the country (Iraq) that slaughtered entire Roman legions. The military force to completely conquer this country was the Mongols and thats because the Tigris and Euphrates ran red with blood. 
Unless we are ready to kill another 3 to 4 million Iraqi’s on top of the million already killed then this war is lost. 
But I guess this would not be the first time American people participated in ethnic cleansing (ie the settling the American West and extermination of Native Americans). But for a country of “values” this may not be politically convenient now.

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By 1drees, August 6, 2007 at 10:38 am Link to this comment
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Well thanks to the americans Iraq will never be liveable again, among other things such as lack of power, water sewage, schools, security etc, one major problem is that the whole landscape is polluted with Depeletd Uranium munitons fired by the Americans everyday since 1991. Even if an Iraqi is not shot dead now BUT He might die of Radioactivity soon, & There are documented signs of mutations alredy but this is not something that concerns that press or the people. The American Govt knew all about the Radioactive poisonning of Iraq. GWB keeps mentionning AlQaeda “Dirty Bomb” attack but poor guy fails to remember the “dirty Bombs” Americans been firing evreyday and maybe considers them less radioactive or less lethal. seems white man killing nonwhites is an accepted practise, all evidence points to that. And Iraqi’s not being too uninformed sure will remmember the kind gestures of AmeroZionists.
About USa, you guys always been at war with one people or another i mean if i say Vietnam, Korea, El Salvdor, Panama, Somlia, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc etc Does that seem familiar? That was the Past, the future of USA is evident from the politicians that promise ATTACKS on Pakistan, Saudia, Syria, Iran & what not. So my presumption is that America the Warmonger Nation will be at War in the Future too. Doesnt matter if its Hillary, Obama or Toncredo, which ever American Politican promises allegiance to AIPAC ETC will get the funding & ofcourse the instructions as to who to attack now, so Hallelejah, WE WILL BE WARRING TILL WE DROP!
Other Than that The north American Union that is about to come round soon to include Mexico & Canada into the USA umbrella, and of course there will be changes coming around soon all over the planet BUT as far as some people an see none of the Changes go towards a good situation, coz Certain people just care about their profits & their “israel” how many they kill is not important, coz tht is the blood of nonjews, in Iraq & Afghanistan, the US govt refuses to give a count of locals killed by the Americans coz they are not white & they do not speak English AND HENCE as it is EXPLAINED TO the soldiers “hence they are not as Human as US” WOW bravo! I learn so much from Bush govt that you cannot imagine BUT i got to admit it was all lessons in EVIL. IN Iraq 1 milion DEAD & 4 million forced out of their Homes to malke space for the theiving 300,000 soldiers that want to assist the corporations in stealing OIL, Body count does not mater, the Target is OIL & must be possessed by the corporations at whatever body count cost. WOW, really glad to have been born in THIS DARK AGE OF NEOCON leadership

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By Bill Abernathy, August 6, 2007 at 10:38 am Link to this comment

I’m beginning to wonder if I stumbled in a Church here! American government is secular, as is Israel and Zionism.

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By atheo, August 6, 2007 at 10:34 am Link to this comment

Jeffrey Blankfort:

When Malaysian Prime Minister Mathahir Mohammed declared at an international Islamic Conference in Kuala Lumpur in mid-October, 2003 that “today the Jews rule the world by proxy [and] They get others to fight and die for them,[1] the reactions in the U.S. and the West were predictable.

It was “a speech that was taken right out of the Protocols of Zion,” according to one Israeli commentator[2], and Mathahir would be accused of imitating Hitler and insuring that “Muslims around the world are similarly being fed a regular diet of classic big lies about Jewish power.[3]

Big lies? Given Israel’s unchecked dominion over the Palestinians and its Arab neighbors over the past half century, supported in every way possible by the United States, one can assume that Muslims, not to mention intelligent non-Muslims, have no need for additional instruction as to the extent of Jewish power. As further proof of its existence, if such were needed, there would be no attempt to measure the Malaysian prime minister’s words against the reality of the times to determine if there was anything accurate in his assessment.

If Mathahir could be accused of anything, it would be of being sloppy historically and using too broad a brush. The Jews, as such, control nothing. A segment of American Jewry, however, has been able, with few exceptions, to shape U.S. Middle East policy since the mid-Sixties. Given America’s position as a major world power, and now its only superpower, that is not a small achievement.

Over the years, that segment, the organized American Jewish community - in short, the Israel lobby - has amassed unparalleled political power through skillfully combining the wealth of its members[4] with its extraordinary organizational skills to achieve what amounts to a corporate takeover of the U.S. Congress and virtual veto power over the presidency.

There is virtually no sector of the American body politic that has been immune to the lobby’s penetration. That its primary goal has not been to improve the security and well-being of the United States or the American people, but to advance the interests of a foreign country, namely Israel, may be debated, but it was acknowledged, in part, more than a dozen years ago by Sen. Howard Metzenbaum (D-Ohio), who complained to an annual conference of the National Jewish Community Relations Advisory Council that “There’s only one issue members [of Congress] think is important to American Jews - Israel.”[5]

It was no secret that Israel had long been interested in eliminating the regime of Saddam Hussein in Iraq and redrawing the map of the Middle East to enhance its power in the region.[6] Initiating that undertaking became a task for key individuals in and around the White House with deep roots in right-wing Israeli politics. The attack on the World Trade Center supplied the opportunity. That Iraq had nothing to do with it was immaterial. The lobby’s propaganda apparatus would make the American people believe otherwise.

The first step has been completed. Saddam Hussein has been removed, not by Israel, but by the U.S. and its “coalition of the willing.” From the perspective of the Israelis and, one must assume, the lobby, it is better that American and foreign soldiers do the shedding of blood, Iraqi and their own, rather than those of Israel, the world’s fourth ranked military power. Such an accusation will most assuredly draw cries of “blood libel” from the likes of the Anti-Defamation League, but it is a conclusion that one can readily draw from the facts. The degree to which the present Iraq situation, as well as the first Gulf War, can be attributed to efforts of key individuals and the major Jewish organizations that constitute the lobby is what this article will examine:

full article

http://www.leftcurve.org/LC28WebPages/WarForIsrael.html

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By Bill Abernathy, August 6, 2007 at 10:34 am Link to this comment

Good analysis- Counselor1

Capital is absolutely necessary
“…U.S. long-term military occupation of these oil field areas is the only thing that would cause oil companies to make the multi-billion dollar long term investment to modernize them. The companies could buy the crude and store it for later resale. Proceeds from the sales could be distributed…”

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By d.alon, August 6, 2007 at 10:33 am Link to this comment
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I was looking on CNN today and two items caught my attention.  1) In an article about the French President yelling at some US AP photographers, it said towards the end that he was being gaurded by the US Secret Service (in France mind you).  2) The Defense Department lost billions of dollars in weaponry that had been provided for the “Iraqi Army”.  The article said that it is believed by the DoD that these weapons were being passed from the Iraqi Army to insurgents and were being used against US troops. 


So let me get this straight - my tax dollars are being used to protect the French president on one hand, and to provide weaponry to insurgents to kill our own troops on the other?!? This is so outrageous its beyond comprehension!!!

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By GodSend, August 6, 2007 at 10:31 am Link to this comment

DaveF:

Pretty close! wink I prefer to describe what we’re witnessing as: The Zionists are playing a deadly game of ‘Showdown’ with God - and they’re holding losing cards! Jewry had better get involved SOON and end this deadly game which is likely to produce lots of ‘collateral damage’!

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By Outraged too, August 6, 2007 at 10:25 am Link to this comment
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Very well said ‘Outraged’.

Maybe we should require a new humane right in the world.
We should have the right to freedom from the mind control of religion.

It is fraud and worse and we will never make headway at solving our problems until that fact is recognized.

Fair taxation policies would be a reasonable first step.

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By DaveF, August 6, 2007 at 10:21 am Link to this comment

The Jews are playing a dangerous game in the Middle East…. They believe that their god is working to give them a better part of the land and resources there as a covenant to their renewed worship and piety toward their god.

In order to make this happen they are more than willing to accept the help of the American Christian evangelicals. The belief in Armageddon is strong in the Christian faith here in the United States. A group of folks that once persecuted the Jews are now anxiously aiding the Jews in their drive for a greater Jewish Sates.

Why the change of heart? Well, for Armageddon to occur and the subsequent return of Christ the Jews need to return to the “promised land”.

The big problem is the massive amount of death and suffering that will accompany this Armageddon event.

The Jews will suffer along with infidels. Now, as strange a solution as this may seem for an all mighty power for the cleansing of evil from creation, I guess we would just have to live with it. However, if there is no all powerful god out there to come down and clean up the mess then we are going to have a big mess on our hands and the Jews and others will suffer a great calamity for no reason. The Jews are playing a dangerous game.

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By GodSend, August 6, 2007 at 10:20 am Link to this comment

I don’t know if Counselor1 is beautiful - but I know he is a Dreamer. wink Dream on! Realpolitik means that those who possess power will leave no stone unturned to keep it - especially when surrender of power means the likely surrender of their lives! That’s why the Zionists are deathly afraid of a full investigation of 9/11 and the inevitable consequences that will follow surrender of their power. wink Fixing ‘Elections’, invasions, wars, lies, undue secrecy, Depressions, whatever it takes to stop the truth from reaching the light.

It ain’t gonna work! smile

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By GodSend, August 6, 2007 at 10:10 am Link to this comment

Does anyone here think that the Pulitzer Prize is given to anyone who writes articles which undermine the interests (financial and political/philosophical) of the owners of their publications - even if it is the truth?

In other words, a Pulitzer Prize is not a red badge of courage! wink

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By Counselor1, August 6, 2007 at 10:00 am Link to this comment

Beyond Disaster -How to Turn Back Now

It may still be possible to avoid the Iraq disaster from turning into a catastrophe for the whole Middle East, but time is very short.  One of two history making events may occur this August 2007, but the one more probable is a US or Israeli preemptive strike on Iran’s nuclear facilities that plunges the world into a wider and longer Middle East war. Admirals have been appointed Theater Commander in the Middle East and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs. Also there are, I believe, now 3 U.S. carrier task forces in the Gulf. And both the U.S. and Iraqi congresses are in recess. Every time a Democratic presidential candidate makes vague promises of “withdrawal” of U.S. forces from Iraq, it raises the probability that Israel will make such a preemptive attack while our troops are still in the area and under Bush command.

The other event would be that the media, mainstream and blogosphere, force Bush and all presidential candidates to state definitive plans for Iraq, Iran and what to do if Israel were to attack Iran. Media might even do another service by urging all progressive candidates for President to set aside personal ambition for the moment and find agreement among themselves on such a definite plan for partial withdrawal and redeployment of remaining U.S. troops together with a united policy on what each, as the next president would order, or allow U.S. forces to do (on military advice) and on what he or she would REFUSE to do to support Israel in the event it made a preemptive attack on Iran and was subject to retaliation by Iran or other Muslim nations or groups. The American people have a right to know what they are in for.  Would the candidates, e.g., order, allow, or prohibit cruise missiles to be launched from ships at targets in Muslim states? Would they order, allow, or forbid U.S. ground troops to be used in retaliating Muslim nations or on Israeli soil?

Here is a withdrawal and redeployment plan I think Democrats and progressives could agree upon. No plan is perfectly just! You can’t un-kill people you’ve killed. U.S. troops will be withdrawn from Iraq’s cities toward its borders with Turkey and Iran. U.S. long-term military occupation of these oil field areas is the only thing that would cause oil companies to make the multi-billion dollar long term investment to modernize them. The companies could buy the crude and store it for later resale. Proceeds from the sales could be distributed equitably among Iraqis by a unit of our military, e.g., an enhanced SIGIR, thus bypassing the Iraqi assembly stalemate.

The US would have to ask for and fund a large U.N. force to guard Iraq’s borders to allow return of refugees. It would be interposed between our forces and those of Iran and other bordering countries. As our troops redeploy, they would escort WILLING Iraqis to partition areas of people of the same religion or ethnicity. Others can return home and assume the risk of fighting or making peace. We will help mixed marriage Iraqis to emigrate and open our own county to them or pay other countries to take them in and help establish them.

Finally, we could move the whole weak Iraqi central government out of Baghdad to an isolated, hardened U.S. base where its independence can be protected by us, so that Baghdad can be partitioned along the Tigris, with Sunnis moving from its east to west and Shia from west to east. We will give the Green Zone to Sunnis willing to move from east Baghdad to the west and convert the $1/2 billion embassy to a hospital, orphanage and war memorial for all.

Other countries, our own, Brazil and Myanmar, have moved their capitals! France and India once had two capitals each. A DOZEN other countries, including Israel, South Africa and Bolivia, now have multiple capitals as a result of war and partition.

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By GodSend, August 6, 2007 at 9:58 am Link to this comment

Outraged:

There is a jewel hiding in your sarcastic post. It is ‘throw down your guns’. Einstein, a very intelligent Jew, said that there would be no end to war until the people stopped going to war. He was right - sort of.

Until everyone makes a decision of conscience and acts on it (like Lt. Ehren Watada), wars will continue and innocent people will die and get maimed. War is an invention of the Devil! (and so is the Arms industry)

There is a lesson here in how to stop Bush, et al, in their attempt to turn America into a Fascist State. Just say ‘NO!’ when your turn comes to take a stand! The blood of patriots may have to be sacrificed when saying ‘NO!’ to the tyrant. wink Leave the rest and consequences to God. “RESIST the Devil and he will flee from you”. RESISTANCE means passive resistance, not violent resistance!

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By Bill Abernathy, August 6, 2007 at 9:52 am Link to this comment

So far I appear to be the only one who questions this self-proclaimed “Profit of Doom”. Of course I’m not blessed like so many others with “Visionary clarity;” so I just have to take a wait-and-see position. What bothers me is that Chris and his disciples seem to relish the idea that Iraq will not become a Social Democracy.

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By Deborah, August 6, 2007 at 9:43 am Link to this comment
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Reading this I feel naked…as if I was reading something I was not supposed to…something on Dick Cheney’s desk maybe.

As I type this, the world in my small corner of Ohio goes on as usual…people are going to work, walking their dogs, getting ready for back to school sales

And in another corner of the globe, wholesale murder and tyranny are being waged so that I can continue to be “free”.

God I feel sick.

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By Outraged, August 6, 2007 at 9:40 am Link to this comment

The underlying assumption is god will fix what we can’t.  All sides “know” that “their” god will not desert them.  Even though this is the one and only SAME GOD.  When will the world’s religious adherents wake up and figure out, the catholics are wrong, the muslims are wrong and so are the jews?  And any other “faith” which “humanity” has cooked up to control the masses.

As an act of FAITH in your GOD, throw down your guns and go home and wait.  When your GOD appears to the “rest of the world” and lets us all know who the “chosen” religion is we’ll come get you.  Until then, go home and wait.

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By GodSend, August 6, 2007 at 9:28 am Link to this comment

Oh, weather, God will writethe ending to this ghastly story. Fortunately, He will supervise the BIG ENDING (already written) and it will be a ‘Happy Ending’ - for those who love Him and trust Him and obey Him. smile

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By GodSend, August 6, 2007 at 9:17 am Link to this comment

Is 7 years with the New York Times long enough to thoroughly indoctrinate someone with the ‘religion’ of Zionism? You betcha!

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By GodSend, August 6, 2007 at 9:15 am Link to this comment

PS The ‘protracted’ American ‘presence’ in Iraq, recently announced by Gates, is to ensure that Iraq will NEVER be a threat to Israel but its territory (and oil) can be freely used to attack the rest of the ME!  Aren’t those Zionists devious and deceptive little bastards?! - you might call them ‘devilish’ wink

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By Skruff, August 6, 2007 at 9:10 am Link to this comment
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92485 by DaveF on 8/06 at 5:08 am

“This once great country is a democracy;”

Nope!  With all due respect to opposing opinions, this country is not and never was a “democracy” it is a represenative republic (as per Ben Franklin’s pronouncement) democracies do not have electral colleges, apportioned votes, or or weighted representation. 

democracy = one citizen one equal vote. Our system gives a vote in Wyoming or Montana greater value than a vote in California or New York.  For this reason it is possible to become president (legally) when someone else gets more votes. 

I am not even sure I agree with your “once great country” assessment, although I will not reject it without more thought.

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By GodSend, August 6, 2007 at 9:10 am Link to this comment

So now that you’ve heard the Chris Hedges’ version, would you like to know the truth?

The truth is that what occurred in Iraq is EXACTLY what was planned! Not necessarily in every detail but in the apparent and ultimate OUTCOME. The Israel plan for Iraq and the entire ME (including Iran) is ‘Balkanization’ or the disintegration of all viable nations that might, at some time in the future, pose a threat to Israel or the Zionist ambitions to create the ‘Greater Israel’ with borders only known to God!

Look for similar, smashing successes in Lebanon, Syria, Iran, Saudi Arabia, etc. It’s a Never-Ending Story - or so the Zionists think. wink

In the eyes of Zionist Israel, the disaster in Iraq has been a SMASHING SUCCESS! It’s self-evident, IF you can SEE!

PS I’m beginning to like the ‘weather’ around here wink

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By Goffredo, August 6, 2007 at 9:02 am Link to this comment

Nothing new here.  When even James Baker, major player in the Carlyle Group, says that occupying Iraq is a bad idea, it means it’s a REALLY FREAKING BAD idea.  Because money is king in their world, and when the cost of making is too high you KNOW there is a problem.

http://thefederalistpapers2007.blogspot.com

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By omop, August 6, 2007 at 8:39 am Link to this comment

Only thru the eyes of an alien ?
Log 1939/1945
Log 2003/2007.

Is there a comparison with what is happening to the USA both domestically[economy/inflation] and internationally as happened to Germany?

Economy destroyed; criminal international acts of invading other sovereign nations like Poland, Holland, Belgium, etc,.

The US invades Iraq and Afghanistan under pretenses of bringing democracy and freedom. Promoted and propagandized by neocons and chickenhawks as a cakewalk the war of liberating Iraq and Afghanistan are now part and parcel of a “war with no end”. Costly in human and financial terms it looks like the tip of the iceberg in the eventual deterioration of the US as a major power representing the ideal of what ostensibly every other nation aspires to.

Despised by almost all nations and peoples; in debt in the trillions; not able or willing to stand on principle in defending its borders from illegal entrants; engaged in attempts to tie in other countries to its nuclear system in oft times un-ethical methods.

And in one stroke all the oil and gas under the Artic is now legally and internationally subject to Russian jurisdiction in the same fashion that Iraq oil is subject to US adjucation.

The disaster that the US finds itself in thanks to its neocons and their stooges are far worse than Germany’s. Its hard to imagine that either Russia or China will come to the USA’s aid a la Marshall Plan. As anon has pontificated a number of times, “people who get power never learn from previous people who wielded power and never forget anything”.

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By Verne Arnold, August 6, 2007 at 8:38 am Link to this comment

#92493 by Ibex on 8/06 at 6:08 am
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A well said, knock your socks off, comment!  Now what?

I draw apathy.

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By GW=MCHammered, August 6, 2007 at 8:31 am Link to this comment
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From 1954 [replace ‘USSR/communism’ with ‘terrorists/terrorism’, ‘Europe’ with ‘Middle East/Iraq’]

“We are again being told to be afraid. As it was before the two world wars so it is now: politicians talk in frightening terms, journalists invent scare lines, and even next-door neighbors are taking up the cry: the enemy is at the city gates; we must gird for battle. In case you don’t know, the enemy this time is the USSR.

The conscriptwars were all fought on foreign soil. And each was preceded by a campaign of fear such as we are now experiencing.

Too many Americans now realize that war adds power to the state, at the expense of liberty, and there is a strong suspicion that the next war will just about wipe out whatever liberty we have. That is, we will be infected by the same virus that we set out to exterminate.

Now we are told that if we get out of Europe, the communists will overrun the Continent, get hold of its productive machinery, and prepare themselves for an invasion of America.

My history books tell me that the weakness of a conqueror increases in proportion to the extent of his conquest.

There is a more important reason for our getting out of Europe and abandoning our global military commitments. We would be strengthening ourselves, even as the Soviets were weakening themselves by extending their lines. The vast military equipment which we are sending abroad, and much of which might fall into the hands of the Russians, would be stockpiled here for the ultimate struggle. The manpower which is now going to waste in uniform could be put to the task of building up our war potential. Our economy would be strengthened for the expected shock. We would become a veritable military giant, and because of our strength we would attract real allies, not lukewarm ones.

The important thing for America now is not to let the fearmongers (or the imperialists) frighten us into a war which, no matter what the military outcome, is certain to communize our country.”

~Frank Chodorov (1887–1966)

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By Verne Arnold, August 6, 2007 at 7:59 am Link to this comment

Chris Hedges; Wow…powerful, right on, to the point, reality revealed, well said, you couldn’t be more right…really.  But, you are just fueling the frenzy to post and opinionate and procrastinate and avoid the obvious…actually doing something.

My post?  Well, can’t hurt, eh?

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By ocjim, August 6, 2007 at 7:57 am Link to this comment

There is no containment for my revulsion of BushCo. It has not harmed me personally. You might say that I have done well financially under his demented leadership. But intellectually, morally, and aesthetically he has damaged us all. The poor and the vulnerable have been hurt most in vital ways. Our constitution is in ruins. Hundreds of thousands of people have died because of his blighted presence. I have not found any redeeming qualities in his person. I don’t know if that is a reflection on my lack of faith or his lack of humanity. He is like a cancer that we don’t have the will to expunge. Will we let him ride us into ruin before he finally slithers away?

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By Ibex, August 6, 2007 at 7:08 am Link to this comment

The comment by weather above will no doubt draw fire as an anti-semitic comment. Jews own or manage a great deal of America’s print and TV media. One might even point out that Rupert Murdock’s Jewish mother: Elizabeth Green, who brought the money and thus the fuel into the Murdock clan even makes Murdock technically Jewish and thus pretty much makes a clean sweep of the American media.  But American Jews are as divided and full of different opinions as other Americans who cannot ‘return’.  But even on the subject of Israel, American Jews are divided with many not supporting Zionist activities and the ethnicist policies of the State of Israel (it is hard to call Israel’s policies racist since they are all Semites).  On the other hand, one might naturally expect American Jews to mostly support Israel as much as their consciences will allow simply because, like Catholics to the Vatican, it is the center of focus of their faith and religious culture. 

All that happy stuff being said, it is obvious that most neocons were and are Jewish American some with dual nationality. Nothing surprising here.  But the Jews are not the real challenge even with their hard-won financial assets unless one considerd the media manipulation of the American press in favor of Israel since the middle of the last century to be any kind of threat.  Now, with the idiocy of radical Islam on its vengeful march against the infidel,


The real threat comes from the primitive goyim who are runing around with their hair on fire for Jesus.
Sadly, the halls of power are stained with those whose interpretation of the scriptures rarely reaches the level of actually asking WWJD? and intelligently acting on the peaceful answer.  The entire infrastructure of “Christian” activists dwarfs the power of American Jews because they have their slithering acolites all over the Pentagon and even in the White House where they seemingly control what is left of the mind of the Prayer-in-Chief.

When you beleive in Armageddon,and that it is a good thing, then it is OK to unleash the dogs of war for Jesus.  Jews are not so stupid that they think these people actualy support them for any other reason than to enable the onset of the “End Times’.  May all these people be raptured immediately before they destroy our world and leave us as pickings for the Eastern Hemisphere to nibble on.

Iraq was, to most of us who have lived for a long time in Arab countries and understand ‘Islamic logic’and culture, a massive stupidity full of hubris and cultural misunderstanding.

What a bunch of schlemeels.

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By Skruff, August 6, 2007 at 7:07 am Link to this comment
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My father (who worked many years for Standard of New York Laughed at the idea of a “Democratic Unified Iraq”  He said Yugoslavia, not the USA is a model for Iraq.

Lee Raymond, former chairman of ExxonMobil warned against any destablization of the “delicate balance” in the middle east.

Chris Hedges is correct it is hard to find anyone who ever walked on Iraqi soil to support this debicle.. 

Now it’s almost over. like an imploding star we may not be able to pull free from it before being consummed.

Orderly withdrawal???  Hell no, hit the lifeboats, get to the roof of the worlds largest US embassy, and wait for the Hellicopters.  Quick… before we lose another person… it’s over it’s Dunkerque get out!

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By DaveF, August 6, 2007 at 6:08 am Link to this comment

Sad but true….

The saddest part is that the citizens of the United States are ultimately responsible. I will never fully understand how we were so easily led into this debacle with bare face lies and the drum beating of the MSM.

I know that there were some who tried to sound that alarm and to expose the lies and to educate the public about the historical dangers of attacking Iraq and the obvious glaring fact that it was not Iraq that attacked us but a bunch of Saudis. However, it was the MSM and their willingness to parrot to administration’s propaganda that hoodwinked the scared and emotional masses.

I always thought that we Americans were strong, no nonsense, can do folks. That myth was shattered forever with our response to the twin towers. Now millions of innocent people are suffering because of our knee jerk reaction and the real enemy is growing stronger as we grow weaker by decimating our military and economy with war time demands that we are not prepared to adequately meet.

This once great country is a democracy; we get what we vote for. Our votes have facilitated this mess. Our votes are the only way we will be able to address this mess with any hope of redeeming ourselves. Vote wisely.

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By CARTERJ, August 6, 2007 at 6:02 am Link to this comment
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Concisely put, beautifully written, and, I’m afraid, all too true. A century of diplomacy out the window.  Everyone knew all along that the mid-east is a tinder box, and now we have ignited it. What a pity that Bush doesn’t have the intelligence to realize what he has done. After he leaves office, I hope he does his remedial reading on history, and eventually realizes the shame of his legacy. I watched in horror as my country launched a completely unnecessary invasion of a country. 

Saddam Hussein was a merciless despot, but he knew his people, and he held Iraq together. We had him contained. The weapons inspectors should still be there looking for non-existent WMD, and the neocons could still be complaining.  Wouldn’t that be a luxury? It looks like September 11, 2001 was a mere calling card for what lies ahead.

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By 127001, August 6, 2007 at 5:58 am Link to this comment

Nothing here I disagree with, except that its understated. It’s not only the middle east that faces this future, but it will be global. When the Twig’s administration began this disaster, they initated WWIII and the end of days that were ever known before. I can’t even comment on the type of crisis that could possibly draw these disparate regions of the globe together into some form of “live and let live” to prevent the coming horrors.

The violence is going to increase, including in the U.S., because that’s the only direction release from this type of depravity can go to gain back independence in some form or another.

Concern is going to be the reactions by the American people. I’ve anticipated the coming internal violence in this country for years. Look around. Oppressed eventually revolt. And more and more in the U.S. are facing a mirror of some of the worst governments elsewhere in the world. Like those societies, Americans will ignore the warnings and refuse to act until its too late.

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By Douglas Chalmers, August 6, 2007 at 5:50 am Link to this comment

Quote: “...The security of the Green Zone, our imperial city, will be increasingly breached.  Command and control will disintegrate.  And we will back out of Iraq humiliated and defeated….”

What’s with this “our imperial city” bit, eh? If you don’t know, that is exactly what happened to the old Roman empire. They built an “imperial city” in Constantinople (Byzantium, now Istanbul) and ruled their empire from there for centuries.

The USA, itself built in the image of Rome, has now done virtually a travesty of the same thing in Baghdad - and its ‘empire’ is ruled from the viewpoint of “staying the course” there no matter what or how ludicrous the cost is.

Ironically, the M.Eastern “imperial city” of the past and its subsequent conqueror were referred to directly in the Catholic pope’s inflammatory speech last year. His illusions (or delusions) of an empire long past are ominous in their portent for Baghdad and the US/Coalition armies today…..

The Fall of Constantinople, 1453:- “When, at the age of twenty-one, Mehmed II (1451-1481) sat on the throne of the Ottoman Sultans his first thoughts turned to Constantinople. The capital was all that was left from the mighty Christian Roman Empire and its presence, in the midst of the dominions of the powerful new rulers of the lands of Romania, was pregnant with danger. The new Sultan demonstrated diplomatic abilities, during his early attempts to isolate politically the Byzantine capital, when he signed treaties with the Emperor’s most important Western allies, the Hungarians and the Venetians. He knew, however, that these were temporary measures, which would provide him with freedom of movement for a limited time only. To give the final blow on the half-dead body of the Byzantine Empire he had to move fast….” http://www.greece.org/Romiosini/fall.html

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By weather, August 6, 2007 at 5:38 am Link to this comment

Israel’s gifts to America

Acrimony, angst and a inexhaustable supply of self-serving and highly manipulated deceit - all very carefully choreographed w/the phony and fraudulent energy of a Hollywood production.

Who wrote this flawed, dark and draconian screenplay isn’t nearly as important as who will writethe ending.

Very lovely Israel, now slide up and take a bow, soon you’ll be coming up on your 50th year of statehood. In that little time you’ve easily managed to distinguish yourselves as one of the most universally disliked and distrusted zip codes on Earth, you must be proud?
So take your Teva’s, your specious munitions, drugs and Eastern block slave trade and stay behind your Wall and ovulate on your chronic state of denial and leave America Out of your dark designs, its killing us.

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By still confused, August 6, 2007 at 5:17 am Link to this comment
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Have you gotten to the bad news yet, Chris?

I wish I was born 1,000 years ago. I really do.

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