Tony,
If it is “going badly”, please at least explain how it was supposed to work. Also explain why the US continues to spend $12 billion per month on the occupation if it isn’t producing their intended results. I can provide an explanation for why they continue the occupation, but it doesn’t include access to oil (which will be made available to the global market whenever the occupation ends).

Re #94227 by atheo on 8/12 at 8:35 am
(368 comments total)

“Please flesh out your “war for oil” thesis. How exactly does it work? Really, not hypothetically.
Is it going well? Does it explain the US’ rising economic hegemony?”

Atheo,

I appreciate the challenge. No, it is going very badly for the imperialists. They are losing and getting desperate. The more desperate they get, the more desperate Israel gets, too, because they are in it together, and if the imperialists lose, so do the Zionists. Are they desperate enough to start a nuclear war? That remains to be seen.

Have you read “Imperial Hubris” by Micheal Scheuer, the former head of the CIA bin Laden desk in the late 90’s? I was very impressed by it. He and bin
Laden agree that that the U.S. invasion of not only Iraq but also Afghanistan exactly played into bin Laden’s hands. Our imperialists thought they were “the last remaining superpower”. They thought they could establish, in Bush I’s words, a “New World Order” (novo ordo seclorum, also on the $1 bill) where, as he put it, “what we say goes” anywhere in the world. These dreams of glory have faded, Americans are sick their rhetoric, and they would just like to have medical care, decent schools and bridges than don’t collapse. Will the people prevail, or will the imperialists manage to stamp out the last vestiges of American democracy? That is the question.

God Bless You Cindy Sheehan!

http://smokingmirrors.blogspot.com

#94252 by atheo on 8/12 at 10:42 am
(368 comments total)

the 1sgt,

Andrews AFB had fighters ready to go on 9/11 according to it’s official web site. That’s a few minutes from the pentagon, yet the pentagon was struck practically an hour after the second hit in NY. No, I don’t believe in such coincidental failures to protect the most defended site on Earth.
The pentagon also has SAMs which were never used, and then there’s Minetta’s testimony (the plane is ten miles out, do the orders still stand?). Keep trying.

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No need for me to try anything. You won’t listen. I was on active duty 24 years in the Air Force. I tell you our C3 was inept and our alertforce practically non-existent, consisting of Guard and reserve forces, un practiced and not ready but you don’t want to see the merit in that. They caught us with our pants down, completely by surprise (the military). The right hand did not know what the left hand was doing. This is borne out by the fact the 4th JET was headed for the white house and/or Congress before it crashed in PA. You get it? Even a 4th Jet and still no one was able to shoot it within minutes, even though Cheney had given the order. It crashed in PA because of the passengers.

Believe what you will.

August 12, 2007

U.S. And Israel Close Gap on Defense Aid Payouts

By REUTERS

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - The United States has yielded to some Israeli demands on how new U.S. military aid will be paid out, ending a brief dispute over the issue, an Israeli official involved in the talks said on Sunday…

“Tom Lantos, a U.S. congressional leader, described ratification of the aid increase to Israel as a certainty.

“(It) will receive congressional support and will guarantee, for the next decade, along with Israel’s own determination and military capability, the security of this nation,” he told reporters during a visit to Jerusalem.”

http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSL12391202 0070812?pageNumber=2&sp=true

the 1sgt,

Andrews AFB had fighters ready to go on 9/11 according to it’s official web site. That’s a few minutes from the pentagon, yet the pentagon was struck practically an hour after the second hit in NY. No, I don’t believe in such coincidental failures to protect the most defended site on Earth.
The pentagon also has SAMs which were never used, and then there’s Minetta’s testimony (the plane is ten miles out, do the orders still stand?). Keep trying.

#94100 by atheo on 8/11 at 6:44 pm
(365 comments total)

the 1sgt,

Am I to suppose that Clinton was responsible for the multiple excercises (that confused patriotic airmen) that occurred on 9/11? Ever hear about Able Danger? Did Clinton order the fighter jets to travel east over the Atlantic from Andrews AFB? Was it Clinton’s fault that those dispatched from Falmouth flew at 1/3 speed? Did Clinton force Rumsfeld to put himself in sole charge of decisions involving shoot downs as of 6/01? The questions are many.
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The questions will always remain Atheo. Don’t get hung up on “military preparedness” and exercises. If you were in the DoD today you would know how lame those two words sound.

Clinton and the Congress both were responsible for the draw-down of the military to such an extent that on 9/11, there were only TWO alertstations in the east coast and both of them were either guard or reserve. Prior to the end of the cold war, more than a dozen air force bases with active duty pilots would have scrambled to meet those planes and maybe even shoot them down within minutes.

This might be hard to believe but it may very well be there were a series of catastrophic failures preceding and during 9/11. This is how accidents happen. Who would have thought the people perpetrating the deed on 9/11 would have taken advantage of not only our weaknesses, but used the element of surprise.

If you read some of our own doctrine on war, you will see our enemy used the very same on us.

Ghali Hassan is an independent writer living in Australia:

After more than four years of Occupation and countless pretexts to justify the bloodbath, the Occupation, the Occupation is sold as a “war” against “al-Qaeda”, a US-created proxy. The use of al-Qaeda as a bogeyman is designed to fuel a campaign of anti-Muslim hatred and keep the public in a state of fear. More importantly, the use of al-Qaeda obfuscates the presence of a legitimate Iraqi National Resistance and justified the ongoing Occupation of Iraq.

Indeed, George Bush seemed to be obsessed by al-Qaeda and is using it with increased frequency. George Bush claim that the US is fighting al-Qaeda in Iraq is simply ludicrous. “We all know now that the US military is using the name of al-Qaeda to cover-up attacks against our National Resistance fighters and civilians who wish immediate or scheduled withdrawal of foreign troops from Iraq”, Hilmi Saed, an Iraqi journalist from Baghdad told Ali al-Fadhily of Inter Press Service (IPS) in Ba’aqubah.

Of course, there is no hard evidence of al-Qaeda’s presence in Iraq. The current extremism in Iraq is the result of US Occupation. It is encouraged because it provides the US and its collaborators with a pretext and as an alternative to the Iraqi Resistance. Even if al-Qaeda exists in Iraq, its deliberately exaggerated presence and role serve US aim to cover-up the deliberate destruction of Iraq…

Let’s not forget that the situation in Iraq today is the result of an unprovoked act of aggression based on pretexts proved to be fabricated lies. American leaders (supreme criminals) and their lackeys (Blair, Howard et al.) used and continue using the events of 9/11 in the US to provoke and justify wars of aggression against peoples and nations who had nothing whatsoever to do with the events of 9/11. They are committing war crimes and should be held accountable and put on trial for their crimes. The few soldiers who are on display in a show trial are merely a propaganda ploy to divert public attention away from the supreme criminals.

DC:

“The wisdom of men is foolishness before God”

“My thoughts are higher than your thoughts” (God speaking)

The year of the pig and Ki and all the rest of the human ‘knowledge’ add up to nothing more than a hill of beans - and a small hill, at that! One might say “You’re full of beans” - and nothing but foul air is the result.

Keep your eyes on gold, RE and the Outer Oort Cloud - and you will SEE! prophecy come true And don’t wait for an ‘Official Investigation’ to deny what you can SEE! right in front of your eyes - IF they are open!

Tony,

Please flesh out your “war for oil” thesis. How exactly does it work? Really, not hypothetically.
Is it going well? Does it explain the US’ rising economic hegemony?

#94184 by omop on 8/12 at 3:22 am: “...when it comes to money EVERYONE is of the same religion....”

Seduced by the Force, ha ha!
Obiwan Kanobe

Quote: “Ki moves constantly as you breathe. You exhale and ki flows. You inhale and ki flows. You don’t suck up ki, it continues to flow into you from the universe. It is a circuit, not a balloon. We are conduits, not reservoirs .......By aligning the body ....and aligning the spirit, and focusing intent ......we exercise ki-power ....the font of ki is a vast reservoir .....we move in the universal, take strength from it, give back to it ... and are thus connected to all other things as well...”

Godsend:

While your perceptiveness is less than overwhelming and your quotations of Obi Wan Kan...are classic i tend to adhere to what Voltaire is quoted as saying:

when it comes to money EVERYONE is of the same religion.

via con dios.

#94158 by GodSend on 8/11 at 10:22 pm: “...It’s been on my website (among some other prophecies) for several YEARS! The PROPHECIES section and the sequence of 10 events is of more recent vintage....”

PS I don’t ‘predict’ anything - but go here http://www.astropro.com/homeJS11.html and click “futures” at the bottom right - and then open the menu box and click on June, July, etc 2007 and click “go”...... or http://www.astropro.com/forecast/predict/2007-all.html for the year - “...the American Century has passed into history. I think it’s even more than that: the European Epoch is drawing to a close.... The Jupiter-Uranus square and the Saturn-Neptune opposition were both in effect at the same time last month, and in January and February: look back, check out the major market swoons in both time frames, and you’ll get an idea what to expect this month. Think stock market drops, currency panics and the like. Be ready. For more on this, see my forecast for the year as a whole. And remember: this isn’t some 1929-style crash .....It’s a new kind of crash, a settling of the soufflé that takes years. Think “how the mighty hath fallen” ....Think political debris too....”

And, The Year Of The Pig - http://www.raymond-lo.com/ver2/aboutmasterlo/articles.asp - “...In general, the yin fire Pig year, with fire on top conquered by water below, is symbol of more disharmony and struggle before the birth of a new world order. There will be more international conflicts and uprisings and unrest but such events may bring positive changes leading to longer term benefit for the future of humanity and global well-being....”

#94158 by GodSend on 8/11 at 10:22 pm: “...I’m not sure what the point is of your last post. If you’re saying I wasn’t 1st to prophecy the coming Grand Depression, I beg to differ. It’s been on my website (among some other prophecies) for several YEARS! The PROPHECIES section and the sequence of 10 events is of more recent vintage....”

Oh, yibbity-yibbituh, that’s all....??? How boring, GS. But still, I do certainly agree about “Double Deceivers” and “Can 50 million ‘Christians’ be deceived by ZioChristians (Satanist Enemies of Christ)?”, though. If its been building there for years, good work! But do try to do something more positive in future,eh?

By the way, don’t forget that this is the Chinese ‘year of the pig’, too - In the Year of the Pig (1968)
Back when the war against Vietnam was being waged by LBJ....... http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0064482 Also see http://movies2.nytimes.com/gst/movies/movie.html?v_id=24668

You can enlighten yourself here:-
The Art of Peace: “The Art of Peace begins with you. Work on yourself and your appointed task in the Art of Peace. Everyone has a spirit that can be refined, a body that can be trained in some manner, a suitable path to follow. You are here for no other purpose than to realize your inner divinity and manifest your innate enlightenment. Foster peace in your own life and then apply the Art to all that you encounter....” http://www-cse.ucsd.edu/users/paloma/Aikido/artpeace.html

On Human stupidity and ‘downshifting’: “Downshifting is actually one aspect of a much greater problem. Recall that when we downshift, we turn over the controls, so to speak, to our lower brains — we revert to older and more primitive response patterns and programs. In addition, we tend to lose our ability to think straight....... However, even when we are not actually downshifting, we are strongly influenced by our reptilian and old mammalian brain....” http://www.buildfreedom.com/tl/tl12.shtml

PS to omop:

What did Obe One Kanobe tell Luke Skywalker, when he faced a seemingly invincible enemy?

“Trust in the Force within you” (The Force of Light, not the Force of Darkness).

It’s a matter of FAITH in what your ‘inner voice’ (conscience, intuition and common sense, if you like) tells you. “You shall KNOW the Truth and the Truth will make you free” Don’t wait for anyone to deny what you already KNOW to be true. It’s a waste of time as well as foolishness.

DC:

I’m not sure what the point is of your last post. If you’re saying I wasn’t 1st to prophecy the coming Grand Depression, I beg to differ. It’s been on my website (among some other prophecies) for several YEARS! The PROPHECIES section and the sequence of 10 events is of more recent vintage.

You can enlighten yourself here:

http://novalight.org

PS I don’t ‘predict’ anything!

omop:

You are the victim of years of brainwashing by the (Zionist) MSM, to the point where you’ve given up faith in your God-given intelligence and common sense. You (and others) can’t even make up your mind about something that is self-evident - unless some ‘authority’ feeds you what you are supposed to think. Whoever raised ‘Official Investigation’ to the pedestal of Truth?! It’s a sham and you are the victim! Not only that, you don’t even know it! You have become a lemming and unless some ‘authority’ gives you instructions, you are blind and dumb and empty-headed. The Warren Commission and the 9/11 ‘Investigation’ produced a pack of lies and deception! Just because the MSM reports it as ‘true’, doesn’t make it true. Next thing you know, you’ll be waiting for some ‘authority’ to tell you to go take a leak - or you’ll piss in your pants!

#94099 by GodSend on 8/11 at 6:43 pm: “...remember when the truth comes out, where you heard it 1st!  ......the ‘Grand Depression’ is coming (actually already in progress)...”

Quote Global Research: Code Red: Subprime Chernobyl - “We expect that the mounting losses in CDOs and the continuing defaults in the housing industry will precipitate a “severe credit crunch” which will end in a stock market crash. A report which appeared yesterday in the UK Telegraph appears to agree with this analysis. Lombard Street Research predicted that: “Excess liquidity in the global system will be slashed. Banks Capital is about to be decimated, which will require calling in a swathe of loans. This is going to aggravate the US ‘hard landing”’ (“Banks set to call in swathe of loans” UK Telegraph 6-26-07)

Three of the main hoses which provide liquidity for the market, have either been cut off or severely damaged. These are “securatized” subprime CDOs, corporate mega-mergers and hedge fund leveraging. Without these instruments for expanding debt; liquidity will dry up and stocks will fall. The period of “easy credit” will end in disaster. We should now be able to see the straight line that connects the Fed’s low interest rates to the impending stock market meltdown. The problems began at the central bank.

Presidential candidate Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) summed it up best when he said: “From the Great Depression, to the stagflation of the seventies, to the burst of the dot.com bubble; every economic downturn suffered by the country over the last 80 years can be traced to Federal Reserve policy. The Fed has followed a consistent policy of flooding the economy with easy money, leading to a misallocation of resources and artificial “boom” followed by recession or depression when the Fed-created bubble bursts”....” http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=6807

And quote the IMF: “In 2000, when the IMF first warned policymakers that imbalances in the global economy could derail global growth, the U.S. current account deficit stood at 4 percent of GDP. Today, that deficit has risen to more than 6 percent of GDP and is matched by large current account surpluses elsewhere, especially in China, Japan, and in oil-producing countries.

There are those who argue that these imbalances are sustainable and that the world economy will continue its impressive expansion (see “IMF Offers Compromise Path on Imbalances"). But many, including the IMF, do not think imbalances of this magnitude are sustainable in the long run and believe that action is needed to reduce them before they unravel in an abrupt and disorderly way.

Since 2004, the IMF’s International Monetary and Financial Committee (IMFC) has called for joint action to address the risks posed by the imbalances........” http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/survey/so/2007/Sur veyartA.htm

Re #94073 by atheo on 8/11 at 4:33 pm
(364 comments total)

“Seen in this light the US participation in the middle east’s wars for Israel make more sense.”

atheo

As I see it, Israel only provides a convenient excuse for wars waged by imperialism for its own reasons. The the first Gulf War was not for Israel, it was to defend the oil of Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, and to put Bush I’s asshole buddies, the Sabbah family, back on the so-called throne of Kuwait. Gulf War II was not for Israel, it was for Iraq oil. If the U.S. attacks Iran, it will be for Iran’s oil, not Israel. In all cases, however, Israel has been and will be provided as the convenient excuse: our plucky ally, Israel, “the only democracy in the Middle East”, has to be protected. As long as Israel is there, it will be used to justify all sorts of intervention.

The U.S. empire is going the way of the British sixty years ago. The question is whether it will end in a return to democracy

“Expecting the US to “return to democracy” may be asking alot. A more feasable expectation would be a return to imperialism, but that would require shaking off the dual citizen neocons that dominate the media and both “mainstream” political parties.”

atheo,

The U.S. empire is going the way of the British sixty years ago. The question is whether it will end in a return to democracy or nuclear war. The next few years will tell, in my view. An important part of this question is whether Israel will remain intransigent and racist to the end or whether, assisted by a United States returned to democracy and a peaceful foreign policy, it will give up Zionism and assume a place among truly democratic countries.

I have to agree with CitizenE. What in the world are the endless debate over Israel versus the Palestinians and speculations on “Whodunnit 9/11” doing here on the subject of the Hedges article on Iraq? There’s another very good starting point for the Israel - Paletine debate; the Lando article “Israel’s Primal Myth.”

I believe time may be very short for bloggers and posters to pressure the mainstream media into forcefully question Bush, Congress, and all presidential candidates as to what they would order, or approve, or forbid US military forces to do to defend Israel from retaliation, if Israel were to make a preemptive attack on Iran’s nuclear facilties. If this were to happen and Iran retaliated in part by stepped up infiltration of forces into eastern Iraq, even the plan to cut casualties in Iraq by “withdrawing” i.e., redeploying our forces out of cities to the north and south of eastern Iraq would become impossible. Given American jingoism of the, “These colors never run” type we would be trapped between Sunni and Shia irregular forces in asymetrical warfare with no forseeable end ever.

Godsend et al.

Talk as the proverbial clown said ; is cheap.

Has there ever been an offical investigation and report on who, how and what proof is there justifying conclusions as to who is guilty of the events of 9/11 and their prosecution and eventual judgments.

Believing its the Mossad/CIA is as valid as believing its 13 Saudis that masterminded 9/11. Unless one has lived on another planet there has never been an “official” investigation leading to a reporting of the facts who and how 9/11 came to be to the American people.

Everyone owes it to themselves and their fellow humans to read the thorough works on 9/11, Paul Thompson’s 9/11 Timeline and David Ray Griffin’s books. Additionally, Chriss Ketchum’s article available at counterpunch.org is worthwhile.

For anyone who cares to know: NORAD was sabotaged from within (instructed to ‘Stand Down’ by Cheney)!

the 1sgt,

Am I to suppose that Clinton was responsible for the multiple excercises (that confused patriotic airmen) that occurred on 9/11? Ever hear about Able Danger? Did Clinton order the fighter jets to travel east over the Atlantic from Andrews AFB? Was it Clinton’s fault that those dispatched from Falmouth flew at 1/3 speed? Did Clinton force Rumsfeld to put himself in sole charge of decisions involving shoot downs as of 6/01? The questions are many.

Hey, DC, I’m not telling anyone what to think! Think what you want to think but remember when the truth comes out, where you heard it 1st! Did I say, like the 1Sgt, I want you to do or think this or that? I simply present the truth. Take it or leave it. For example, if you don’t believe me that the ‘Grand Depression’ is coming (actually already in progress), you don’t have to believe me now - you can choose to believe me later (when you’re living in a cardboard box or in a tree)

What we have in the Israel/America relationship is a classic case of the little tail (Israel) wagging the (BIG) dog! American Imperialism is NOT the problem - the problem is Israeli Imperialism ("Greater Israel” PNIC ambitions) and, beyond that, establishing the NWO. That’s the only scenario in which the economic and societal destruction of America makes sense! (deliberately causing the ‘Grand Depression’ - Thank you, Mr. Greenspan & Mr. Bernanke - Zionist Depression ‘experts’!) Who, do you suppose, the ‘Israel Lobby’ reports to? Who, do you suppose, gives Bush his marching (make that invasion) orders? Mr. Olmert and American Zionist Billionaires give Mr. Bush his orders. This is not a new idea! Zionism has been around for many years. Obedience or death (JFK) are the ONLY options, but Mr. Bush, being a Satanist himself, complies only too willingly!

1Sgt, it’s not my saying it that makes it true (Zionists ‘did’ 9/11). It is the EVIDENCE (physical and circumstantial) and a compelling MOTIVE that makes it true! You can ignore me but if you ignore the EVIDENCE, that makes you either a Zionist shill (witting or unwitting) or stupid! That’s just the way the ‘Cookie_Crumbles’ - or the WTC towers collapse!

If you think this theory is ‘way out’, just keep your eyes on the Outer Oort Cloud and SEE! how the story (and some other things) will end!

#94089 by atheo on 8/11 at 6:03 pm
(361 comments total)

the 1sgt,

The air defense stand down alone entails top level US complicity in 9/11, but once you analyse Cheney’s role at JINSA, and the Rumsfeld history of mass murder of Americans combined with Wormser, Fieth and Wolfowitz’ ties to Israel it falls together well as a top level US operation that relied heavily on Mossad for roles that would be dificult for Americans to perform. Further study reveals whose interests were served.

Many of these characters were criminally involved in Iran contra, a cynical operation that armed both sides of the US instigated Iran-Iraq war. The outcome of Iran contra was not entirely diferent from the current Iraq situation as far as Israeli interests go. A bonafide US elite motive for 9/11 is dificult to establish. Treason is the only conclusion.
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Atheo,

Let me just say this:

I was in the US Air Force from 1982 to 2006.

During the cold war, we had “alertbirds” all over this planet, day and night, with 5 minute response times. I once saw for the first and possibly only time ever, 4 nuclear loaded B52s launch from the alertpad on the island of Guam. It was 1 day before the rest of the world found out the Russians had shot down the KAL 007 jumbo jet. You should know the US launched nuclear-ready bombers on the day that Russian pilot shot down the 747. That’s how airtight our air defense network WAS.

I say WAS. When the cold war ended and Clinton 1/2 the milirtary, the ACTIVE DUTY alertforce stood down for the first time in US history. This duty was shifted to the GUARD and RESERVE. The GUARD and RESERVE work the way they should...as a GUARD and RESERVE. They do not have the same response time we did.

IT WAS NOT A SURPRISE TO ME that on 9/11 we had but a handfull of jets to scramble. And LATE at that. That’s the GUARD and RESERVE.

You don’t need to believe me. Look around you. The US military is literally 2 enlistments from falling apart. It’s BROKE. People like me punched in droves. We were the backbone of the military. We are the Reagan era volunteers. We ran the show.

Clinton BROKE it.

Our Air defense systems knew all too well what had happened. We had NO ONE ready to scramble in time and when we got them up it was too little and too late.

#94089 by atheo on 8/11 at 6:03 pm: “...Further study reveals whose interests were served. .....Many of these characters were criminally involved in Iran contra, a cynical operation that armed both sides of the US instigated Iran-Iraq war. The outcome of Iran contra was not entirely diferent from the current Iraq situation as far as Israeli interests go. A bonafide US elite motive for 9/11 is dificult to establish. Treason is the only conclusion...”

Just to interject, if you don’t mind, atheo, the Iran-Contra Affair (also Irangate), was a political scandal occurring in 1987 as a result of earlier events during the Reagan administration in which members of the executive branch sold weapons to Iran (an avowed enemy???) and illegally used the profits to continue funding rebels, the Contras, in Nicaragua.......

That also takes us back to Operation Eagle Claw, a United States military operation to rescue the 53 hostages from the U.S. Embassy in Tehran, Iran, in 1980. The operation was a failure, and had a severe impact on U.S. President Jimmy Carter....... Also see “Desert One” http://iran.theatlantic.com/homepage.html

Treason is using one’s country for one’s own selfish purposes, though. That is a fitting description of the current administration in the US White House and their policies of benefitting their ‘friends”. Regime-change is a worthwhile strategy concept to initiate at election time in that regard.

the 1sgt,

The air defense stand down alone entails top level US complicity in 9/11, but once you analyse Cheney’s role at JINSA, and the Rumsfeld history of mass murder of Americans combined with Wormser, Fieth and Wolfowitz’ ties to Israel it falls together well as a top level US operation that relied heavily on Mossad for roles that would be dificult for Americans to perform. Further study reveals whose interests were served.

Many of these characters were criminally involved in Iran contra, a cynical operation that armed both sides of the US instigated Iran-Iraq war. The outcome of Iran contra was not entirely diferent from the current Iraq situation as far as Israeli interests go. A bonafide US elite motive for 9/11 is dificult to establish. Treason is the only conclusion.

#94045 by GodSend on 8/11 at 2:45 pm
(286 comments total)

the 1Sgt:

Who are you to tell ANYONE what to do or think, huh!? Do you think everyone else here is a buck private? This is NOT a military post (hah, hah!)

Now, you are entitled to think whatever you want BUT you are NOT entitled to issue orders to others. If you want to issue orders, join the military (perhaps in Iraq) and work yourself up to a command position. Not sure that you’re Officer material, though! wink That usually requires you to be able to connect at least 3 dots. (WTC #1, #2 and #7). Good Luck!
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The discussion got too complicated for you. I am not the one issuing orders here. You’re not paying attention. My beliefs on 9/11 are not in complete agreement with you but they are close. But you don’t see that. This is just an aside, but you should reflect on this carefully: just because someone says something to you...hearing what is said does not mean agreement. I can and do respect your belief the Jews did the whole 9/11 job. But the fact you say it does not mean it is true, nor does it mean you are completely right, nor does it mean those who disagree with you are shills, jews, idiots, etc.

#93988 by GodSend on 8/11 at 10:04 am: “...ISRAELI AND AMERICAN ZIONISTS ‘DID’ 9/11....”

You forgot to mention Wolfowitz, GS, and his pre-9/11 speech. Now, repeat after me: C-H-E-N-E-Y
See Operation ‘Pearl’ if you want more details? Try searching “Paul Wolfowitz Pearl Harbor”.......

Quote: “In a 2000 document, the group speculated that “some catastrophic and catalysing event, like a new Pearl Harbor” was needed to assure US global power. ......After the terrorist attacks of September 11, Wolfowitz urged the targeting of Saddam’s regime as the first stage of a new conflict. He was overruled when Bush decided to focus on Afghanistan....” http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/article432446.ece

Who are you to tell ANYONE what to do or think, huh!? Do you think everyone else here is a buck private? This is NOT a military post (hah, hah!)

Tony,

Consider that US imperialism has been in a death spiral since losing the Vietnam war. The US engaged in excessive war spending between the cold war, the space race, and liberal policies designed to convince Americans that the US was superior to the USSR. As a result, Nixon’s termination of the gold backed dollar sent the US economy into an inflationary disaster from which it never fully recovered.
The Reagan era was phony, based on Federal deficit spending for the chimerical star wars. This arms race was the true death knell of both empires, though the USSR crashed first due to it’s quagmire, Afghanistan. Gulf WarI was financed by other countries, the US acted only as a mercenary force.

Global financial elites are the true rulers of today’s international system. The US is a long since spent economic power.

Seen in this light the US participation in the middle east’s wars for Israel make more sense.

Expecting the US to “return to democracy” may be asking alot. A more feasable expectation would be a return to imperialism, but that would require shaking off the dual citizen neocons that dominate the media and both “mainstream” political parties.

I think the current U.S./Israel military alliance is extremely bad for the Americans, Jews everywhere, and the whole world. Israel in its current form is nothing but a military garrison state of the American Empire. It cannot exist as a legitimate country or a democracy as long as it is a “Jewish state”, as long as it is conceived as “the expression of the national self-determination of the Jewish people”, as long as it excludes Palestinians. In its current form it is can only be a lackey of U.S. imperialism. Please understand: its lackey, its poodle, its client- NOT its master.

The fundamental problem is U.S. imperialism, not Israel. If this country turns around, ends its imperialist agenda and returns to democracy, Israel in its current form will not survive. Therefore Israel and its supporters in this country are the biggest supporters of imperialism.

However, I abhor the kind of Jew hatred I have seen expressed over and over by many on this forum to the bottom of my soul. If there were no anti-Semitism, Zionism would never have come into being. Anti-Semitism has been around since the beginning of Christianity, a religion which is responsible for killing more human beings than all the other religions put together. This hell spawn is alive, well, and getting worse every day, as anyone who reads this thread can see.

the 1Sgt:

Who are you to tell ANYONE what to do or think, huh!? Do you think everyone else here is a buck private? This is NOT a military post (hah, hah!)

Now, you are entitled to think whatever you want BUT you are NOT entitled to issue orders to others. If you want to issue orders, join the military (perhaps in Iraq) and work yourself up to a command position. Not sure that you’re Officer material, though! That usually requires you to be able to connect at least 3 dots. (WTC #1, #2 and #7). Good Luck!

#93981 by GodSend on 8/11 at 9:43 am
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WE KNOW WHO DID 9/11 - and the ‘WE’ is growing steadily, day by day, until ALL AMERICANS will know that Israeli and American Zionists ‘did it’. You got that?! What are you - some kind of Zionist shill? - or are you just short on brain cells?

Anyone who advocates ‘ignorance is bliss’ about who did 9/11 is a Zionist shill - witting or unwitting. Now that sounds better than being an idiot, doesn’t it?!
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Looks like there is no point on continuing this discussion. The very same thing I cautioned you not to do--you did, to the letter. Disagreement with YOUR version of what you think happened or didn’t happen does not make one a shill, idiot, or anything else. it’s just a disagreement.

Maybe this is confusing to you.

When asked by Barbara Walters on the night of September 11, 2001 if the 9/11 attacks were carried out by forces within the U.S., 2008 presidential candidate and then senate intelligence committee member John Edwards becomes evasive and refuses to answer the question, after having spoken to CIA director George Tenet earlier that da

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8866440606326 94627&hl=en

DC:

Repeat after me:

ISRAELI AND AMERICAN ZIONISTS ‘DID’ 9/11!

Are some of them Jews? You betcha! Do some of them claim to be Jews but “They are not Jews but worship in the Synagogue of Satan.”? You betcha! Are some of them dual Israel/American citizens? You betcha! Was Guiliani involved? You betcha! Was Silverstein involved? You betcha! Was the Mossad involved? You betcha! Was the Pentagon involved? You betcha! Was Bush involved? You betcha! Was the MSM involved? You betcha! (the cover-up afterwards). Were the FBI and CIA involved? You betcha! Was the ‘Israel Lobby’ involved? You betcha! Were 5 dancing Mossad agents involved? You betcha! Were airport security firms, owned by Israelis, involved? You betcha!

Does the Rogue State of Israel have a MOTIVE for ‘pulling off’ 9/11? You betcha! Do the perpetrators have a compelling reason to resist exposure of 9/11 truth, NO MATTER WHAT, even if it means attacking Iran, ‘pulling off’ 9/11-II or starting WWIII? YOU BETCHA!

SEE! Operation ‘Pearl’ if you want more details.

Who was not involved? 19 crazed Saudi Arabs!

1Sgt:

I think you should stop believing that anyone who does not agree with your POV is incorrect, confused or even a shill. I don’t live in a “bogeyman” world like it appears you do. There’s one thing I have always noticed with religious extremists, they never know when their fantasies become their reality and so meshed that they continue with the same thinking in complete contradiction to the facts.

My statement stands and I believe it is quite apropos...we have only the tip of the iceberg into what has happened behind the scenes over the last two decades to bring us to where we are. I think when the historians of the future unravel this history people will be very shocked at what transpired, maybe almost as shocked as the Germans were when they realized they were, all along, on the side that was always bound to lose.

I’m not sure which statement you’re talking about that you wish will stand, but if it’s that statement that we’re ‘confused’ about who ‘did’ 9/11 and that we’ll stay ‘confused’ until we’re all dead (might be sooner than you think), your statement will fall as sure as the WTC towers fell - and probably while you’re still alive to SEE! it fall.

This has nothing to do with religion - it has to do with the laws of Physics, the laws of not being able to crash into the WTC towers and still walk around afterwards, the laws of logic and the laws of the land that have been violated by a bunch of Zionist traitors and liars like Bush and his cabal! WE KNOW WHO DID 9/11 - and the ‘WE’ is growing steadily, day by day, until ALL AMERICANS will know that Israeli and American Zionists ‘did it’. You got that?! What are you - some kind of Zionist shill? - or are you just short on brain cells?

Anyone who advocates ‘ignorance is bliss’ about who did 9/11 is a Zionist shill - witting or unwitting. Now that sounds better than being an idiot, doesn’t it?!

#93842 by GodSend on 8/10 at 7:26 pm
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Well, 1Sgt, you’re thinking like the Zionists want Americans to be: Confused!
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I think you should stop believing that anyone who does not agree with your POV is incorrect, confused or even a shill. I don’t live in a “bogeyman” world like it appears you do. There’s one thing I have always noticed with religious extremists, they never know when their fantasies become their reality and so meshed that they continue with the same thinking in complete contradiction to the facts.

My statement stands and I believe it is quite apropos...we have only the tip of the iceberg into what has happened behind the scenes over the last two decades to bring us to where we are. I think when the historians of the future unravel this history people will be very shocked at what transpired, maybe almost as shocked as the Germans were when they realized they were, all along, on the side that was always bound to lose.

#93890 by GodSend on 8/10 at 11:39 pm: “...anyone who dares to suggest that anyone other than crazed Saudis ‘did’ 9/11 - when it’s sooooo obvious that those nasty Zionists ‘did’ 9/11, instead! .......comes on a deceptive scale of 1 to infinity. If you’re not careful, before long she’ll have you believing that Osama did it, while he was on an opium trip in the caves of Afghanistan....”

Ha ha, but Bin Laden was never in Afgahanistan never mind on dope, GS. The White House staff all might have been though - and seriously fumbled their chance. Then again, that was a Godsend...... after all, neither the Jews nor the Saudis were really responsible for 9/11. Politics is local - jobs for Americans!

You’re not seriously on about the Protocols of Zion again, I hope - oops, there, I’ve done it, they’ll be onto us again in no time!!!

THE MANGEMEISTER: You have good reason to be scared - the Windbag just flew out of the cuckoo’s nest and his filthy droppings are landing everywhere. We’ll have to get Jack Nicholson to knock the wind out of him with a pillow and put him out of his misery!

DC: Offensive towards cyrena? - you must be kidding! It’s just a little kibbitzing with granny, that’s all. She has this grandmotherly air of evaluating everyone’s comments (Yes, Dear, you are so right) and then puts a (linguistic) Half Nelson on anyone who dares to suggest that anyone other than crazed Saudis ‘did’ 9/11 - when it’s sooooo obvious that those nasty Zionists ‘did’ 9/11, instead! Deception, DC, comes on a deceptive scale of 1 to infinity. If you’re not careful, before long she’ll have you believing that Osama did it, while he was on an opium trip in the caves of Afghanistan. Yes, that’s it! - Osama flew into WTC#7 on his flying carpet and THAT’S what made it magically collapse in its footprint - because it sure wasn’t those little fires, Rudy!

I wonder if she’s still rolling on the floor with her hilarious friends - between bites of a salt-free bagel?

#93842 by GodSend on 8/10 at 7:26 pm: “...And Yeah! - Zionist Israel is bad news for America! It’s also bad news for the ME, countries like Germany and, to be frank, the entire rest of the world! It’s ESPECIALLY bad news for Jews...”

Yes, there are other countries in the world which are subsumed by their slavish obeisance to Zionism. They are usually the English-speaking Anglo-Saxon countries like Britain and Australia. Must be something in the ex-imperialist/colonialist mindset which leaves a blank for Jewish expansionism to occupy. The Australians in particular are as bad as the Americans in their naivety.

Strange about Saudi Arabia, though. When their king Abdullah visited Singapore, he was quoted as saying that he enjoyed the free and relaxed feeling about the island city state. Considering his own country’s repressive Wahabi religious regime, that was really saying something. That would have also had repercussions in neighboring Muslim Malaysia and Indonesia, both of which also have their religious police.

If there is one thing the Jews and the Saudi Arabs have in common, it is their own religion-driven unhappiness. One lot live in a desert and depend on diminishing oil resources for their recent wealth - they fear foreigners. The others live in a semi-desert and have engendered the hatred and mistrust of all their neighbours as well as the foreigners they have misused - in the end, nothing will save them.

By the way, try to be a little less offensive towards cyrena, OK........

GodSend great posts! Passing The Wind’s comments scare the crap out of me.

Well, 1Sgt, you’re thinking like the Zionists want Americans to be: Confused! .....BUT, WE KNOW WHO DID I