ardee:

The eloquence of your last post (Thank God!) is only exceeded by your ignorance and deception!

This is my last word to godsend before I erase him from my space, and thanks to Truthdig for this option.

You are an abysmal and false descriptor of christianity and the teachings of Christ. What you follow is more in line with the antichrist than He who preached love and tolerance. You are absolutely in league with the all fundamentalists everywhere, including the radical moslems variety. Take your hatreds and your unstable mental health and shove them up your sick and diseased ass.

Now goodbye to you you sicken me. On ignore.

ardee, your ‘Christian’ friends sound like a bunch of wimps and sheeple who don’t have the slightest idea what a follower of Christ is supposed to be like. Followers of Christ are to conduct spiritual warfare against all enemies of God and His Son - that includes worshipers of Satan (Zionists), atheists, agnostics and all others who do not acknowledge the deity of Christ (Jews, for example). When Paul (the apostle) said: “I fought the good fight”, he was referring to this spiritual warfare. Like Christ, he was persecuted and ultimately martyred (like most of Christ’s disciples). Why? Because “A servant is not greater than his Master. If they persecuted Me, they will also persecute you”. You SEE!, ardee, true followers of Christ fight the fight of faith - they do not slink around quietly and smile lovingly at the Devil and his worshipers and say “Jesus loves you”. Followers of Christ have been given the sword of the Spirit (God’s Word) and they slay the enemies of God and His Son all day long! There is no time to ‘take a breath’ as long as ignoramuses like you expel meaningless garbage and try to deceive people.

The Devil and his horde of worshipers have to be RESISTED without stopping until they flee. “RESIST the Devil and he will flee from you”. Get it? (I doubt it).

If we had all resisted the Devil when we should have, Israel wouldn’t be sitting there with 400+ nukes and Bush wouldn’t be in the WH, racking his brains (what there is of them) to come up with some lame excuse to attack Iran (on behalf of Israel) and start WWIII.

I know a few christians. My best fishing buddy and fishing guide are both christians, the guide refuses to work Sundays, instead goes to church and reads his bible. For a fishing guide refusing to work Sundays is tantamount to halving ones income, people book Saturday and Sunday so obviously go elsewhere.....He is still the absolute best guide on three rivers!

Neither of these gentle folks would dream of acting or reacting as does godsend. Neither is vindictive as is godsend. Neither engages in diatribes as does godsend. Neither, when faced with opposition to their closely held belief systems, engages in insult and innuendo however thinly veiled as does godsend.

I guess there are christians and those who hide from themselves behind a facade of religiousity. I believe Jesus once noted that one should hate the sin but love the sinner. So I loves ya’ godsend, but I really wish you’d shut the hell up about zionists, maybe just take a vacation or something, or at least a deep breath once in a while.

You are brilliant, Leefeller - I’m a Zionist shill! Spread the word and Lieberman and Olmert will love you (in addition to Bush, of course).

I’m already booked for dinner - but we can do lunch sometime - we can just sit around and call each other names What names do you like to be called?

Godsend, stated

“You have NO IDEA What’s Really Happening and I was/am NOT soliciting your support. Pleasant dreams! wink”

I was actually replying to your inane comment above, love the way you place labels on anyone who does not agree with you.

Let’s see, either you are with us or against us. Boy! that sounds like someone I have heard before!

So I am a name caller Zionist excrement, and you Godsend said”’ You are a shoveler of lies, deception and diversion (Zionist excrement)

“You can’t just keep lying and think you’re fooling anybody. wink “

Wink, wink, your winks are quite cute, your anti Zionist message is so obnoxious, you actually provoke and elicit Zionist support. Of course that may be your real agenda.

For someone who uses the name of god, you actually seem full of hate, but hypocrisy seems to be in vogue.

Call me anything you want, but DON’T call me late for dinner.

Leefeller:

Here is your last post:

Godsend,

Quite the pretentiousness one, indeed.

Let’s have a closer look at what you wrote and discern who you are and what your agenda is!

I said that I am ‘all knowing’? Where did I say that? (I didn’t say that!)

‘shoveler of the gospel’ is disparaging to the Word of God and full of negative innuendo about me. It’s name-calling, thinly veiled, and baseless. My post to ardee did not reference the gospel!

‘others would never understand, because it is beyond their ability to reason’ I addressed ardee specifically and no one else. You just decided to misrepresent what I said and turned it into a blanket accusation against unnamed listeners.

we already have the same closed minded mentality in the White House Here you associate me with Bush, who indeed has a ‘closed minded mentality’, without any substantiation whatsoever. Those meaningless words are just more name-calling.

Nowhere did you address the content of my previous post, addressed to ardee, which prompted your post! The issue is Zionism and its threat to America and the world! (you simply ignored that).

What you are, Leefeller, is a name-calling and deceptive LIAR, in the tradition of Zionist Neocons.

You are a shoveler of lies, deception and diversion (Zionist excrement)!

You can’t just keep lying and think you’re fooling anybody.

Cyrena

Thanks for the kind words, I figured that if I got the ball rolling perhaps others might be inspired to notify this one note poster that her continual and almost deafening screeching about one minor and less important facet of our sick government is unwelcome and perhaps even distracting. I knew that I could never break through the shell of her psychosis so my words were really for the group as a whole.

As to the damn Democrats...I am a Libra, and sometimes simply must balance the scales of the conversation. When everyone is piling on I am inclined to take the road less travelled.

This recent vote, just before recess, on a bill unread and lacking the mandate for Congressional Oversight ( caps intended) sums it all up pretty well for me. Now Pelosi is saying, among others, that the bill needs to be revised , amended, revisited...I am so sick to my stomach at these cowards that I would almost rather read a godsend diatribe....almost.

Democrats need to use whatever means necesary to protect our nation from its Executive branch, but first it would seem they need to understand the peril. In fairness (that Libra stuff again) Obama, Clinton and Biden all voted NO on the bill.......

#92311 by ardee on 8/05 at 7:46 am

Ardee,

I stand noted and advised on your point about the rules and all of the other real politick that is a part of any parliamentary political system. And, I honestly do understand that. There was in fact an excellent piece by Michael Ignatieff in the NYT magazine this week, that goes into some of the concerns in the real world, that must always include the reality of political concessions, and the rules…well, that too. 92311 by ardee on 8/05 at 7:46 am

Ardee, you’re right on the rules and all of the other real politick that is a part of any parliamentary political system. And, I honestly do understand that. There was in fact an excellent piece by Michael Ignatieff http://select.nytimes.com/preview/2007/08/05/magazine/ 1154683896827.html
in the NYT magazine this week.

So, I think what my problem with Nancy is, is best explained by another comment that I believe you made yourself, (regarding someone else): not a lack of intelligence, but a lack of judgment, and at this point in time, a refusal to assign duties and responsibilities that would make the entire procedure more effective. Still, I do understand the challenges. I just think she has failed to meet them, for many of the same reasons that we like to blame GW, for all of his stupidities. She’s not open to anything that anybody else has to say.

Which is why I’m not sure there is an answer to what you note in this comment:

• But before the shoe of judgement drops remember that the Democrats had the same options for six long years and chose, for whatever stupid reasons, to not use them.

I’m not sure about the dems having these same options, before they held a majority. I would say that they certainly could have done the same sort of filibuster type stuff that the repugs have so excelled at, but thinking back over these last 7 or so years, (with the rules being pretty much the same) I’m not sure that they could have done a whole more than that. Not that I’m giving them a pass, since I think we should have prevented this judicial highjacking to begin with. But, if they could roll over Big Al, then I just don’t know what to think. I don’t know what the dems could have done then, but it didn’t happen, and it hasn’t since. So, they don’t get off the hook.

HOWEVER, I have to also say, that for the past 6 years, the house dems HAVE in fact been under this same forceful fist of Nancy. Anyone suggesting anything not part of her agenda, (within her OWN party) has been effectively steamrolled. Now, she wasn’t the “Speaker” then, but she was still a senior dowager of the House and the Democrats, and she pretty much kept them all on very short leashes. Didn’t want any “internal disagreements” among them. Well, just shutting somebody up doesn’t make them agree with you anymore than they already did, nor does it make their contributions any less valuable.

And, that has been Nancy’s way for a long time. So, while we certainly can’t “blame” her for the workings or intricacies of the system, we can sure find that she has used some exceedingly poor judgment on matters that concern more than just she and her base. In so doing, I think she’s done far more harm than good. But, I could certainly say the same about others.

Godsend,

When you say you are all knowing the shoveler of the gospel and that others would never understand, because it is beyond their ability to reason, or way over their heads, I would say we already have the same closed minded mentality in the White House. 

Quite the pretentiousness one, indeed.

ardee, here’s a suggestion : DO NOT COMMENT on my posts - they are way too boring for you! The reason they are so boring to you, is because they are WAY over your head. You don’t even know what a Zionist is! Let me give you a head start:

A Zionist is NOT Jewish. By Jewish I mean a true Torah Jew. Torah Jews (like Neturei Karta Jews) worship Yahweh. Zionists (who claim to be Jews) worship Satan. How can you tell them apart? Zionists commit crimes against humanity and against God. Here’s a Shortlist of their actions: They deceive, lie, murder, maim, torture, steal, bribe, blackmail, ‘accident’, ‘suicide’, conduct ‘false-flag’ operations against America (USS Liberty, 9/11, etc.), commit genocide, incite hatred against goyim, Muslims, followers of Christ, etc. etc. etc. Their actions are truly devilish - what did you expect?!

Zionists are fanatical supporters of the rogue State of Israel. Investigate some UN resolutions against Israel to get a better handle on ‘rogue’. They developed nuclear weapons at Dimona and concealed that from the UN and the world (check out Mordecai Vanunu). They run a scam called the ‘Holocaust Industry’ (check Norman Finkelstein’s book about this). They infiltrate foreign governments (espionage) and ‘entice’ them to fight their wars for them and send them oodles of $$$ so they can build up their military to kill off their neighbors. America is their all-time favorite target. They infiltrate political parties with their stooges and bribe them with $$$ to help them get ‘elected’ - by hook or by crook. Etc. etc. etc.

They just LOVE to get their bloody hands on the MSM to propagate their deception and lies. They learned a lot of this stuff from the Nazis, especially Hitler and Goebbels. They want to turn America into a Fascist State through their stooge, Dubya. They’re almost there!

I bet you’re getting bored, huh!? Like I said, it’s WAY over your head. Go back to sleep!

• #92653 by ardee on 8/06 at 5:25 pm
It is long past time that you or someone who cares for you takes action to begin a course of therapy. You are an obsessive on this subject, and worst of all, batshit crazy or not, you are so very very out of balance and your views are as well. Also, and perhaps worst of all, you are so very very boring.”
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Oh Ardee,
You’ve made my day with the above post. (sorry I still haven’t been able to get the formats for bolding and italics to work for me, so occasionally, I’ll have to continue to rely on the caps) So, in caps, this made my day!!!

I figured someone would eventually get around to confronting Godsend, but coming from you was all that much better. I love the batshit crazy part. Sometimes, it’s the only way to get the point across. And you’re right, I suspect that we might all be fed up with the Zionist propaganda, which is little more than a distraction to anything else that we need to pay attention to.

Thanks.

#92557 by GodSend on 8/06 at 9:58 am
(242 comments total)

Hey, ardee, the ‘imaginary foe’ has cost around 3000 people their lives on 9/11, around 3000 more Americans their lives in Iraq, hundreds of thousands of Iraqis their lives, millions of Iraqis their homes in Iraq and untold thousands of Arabs their lives, homes and children (not to mention their future) in Israel-occupied Palestine.

Hey godsend, you are quite insane you know, oh right you dont know, a symptom of insanity unfortunately. Most sane folks know that there was nary a zionist on either of the flights hijacked and used as weapons against the towers. About fifteen Saudis if memory serves, a couple or three Pakistanis, a Turk, or about that number participated in the hijacking of the four aircraft, no Israelis, no AIPAC folks.

As to the Americans and Iraqis murdered in Iraq, well that would be George W. who takes the blame there, again, he doesnt look jewish to me.

It is long past time that you or someone who cares for you takes action to begin a course of therapy. You are an obsessive on this subject, and worst of all, batshit crazy or not, you are so very very out of balance and your views are as well. Also, and perhaps worst of all, you are so very very boring.

Anyone who wants to find out more about ardee’s ‘imaginary foe’ should read the article “Dov Zakheim and the Missing Trillions” and the Comments at the following link:

https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=11748146& postID=3675428608179558916

The main site is:

http://smokingmirrors.blogspot.com/

ALL the articles on that Blog are worth reading!

Hey, ardee, the ‘imaginary foe’ has cost around 3000 people their lives on 9/11, around 3000 more Americans their lives in Iraq, hundreds of thousands of Iraqis their lives, millions of Iraqis their homes in Iraq and untold thousands of Arabs their lives, homes and children (not to mention their future) in Israel-occupied Palestine. They have unleashed rivers of blood and tears. They aim to open the spigots some more. They have caused our Constitution to be wrecked. They have caused our liberties to be curtailed. They have caused our privacy to be invaded. They have caused huge segments of our population to be stripped of their jobs, homes, wealth and morality. They are not satisfied with that. They want to cause more destruction and mayhem. THEY MUST BE STOPPED!

‘Imaginary’? Ask all those who died, were maimed and are suffering if this foe is imaginary!

When you become a victim of this ‘imaginary foe’, come back here and repeat that statement!

farmertx:

You’re right - sort of. Yes, God has everything under control BUT He expects His creatures (us) to use the brains with which He blessed us (more or less) to discern right from wrong and good from evil and ACT accordingly. Accordingly means as instructed by His commandments and those of His Son (Jesus the Christ).

So you can’t just sit around and just WAIT. You need to WATCH, THINK, PRAY for guidance - and then DO the ‘right thing’ - Just DO it! Notice the difference?

Godsend
Even better if God has it under control. So why worry? We can’t, least I ain’t a gonna try to, change Gods’ plans. So you can relax, right?

I believe it was Voltaire who noted that:

“If they can convince you of absurdities they can coerce you into atrocities.”

It is but a small step from the neurotic to the psychotic. I can see , and very well, that all this crap from the religious far right ends up with a new holocaust against Jews. All this talk of the undue influence of these wretched ‘Zionists’ purported to be infesting our halls of Congress and even the Oval Office perhaps is simply a new and more polite form of antisemitism.

I appreciate the fact that so many here see clearly that AIPAC is just another lobby, one that should be curtailed of course, one that pushes for an incorrect and harmful foreign policy to be sure, but one no more or less ‘evil’ than the pharmaceutical lobby, the National Association of Manufacturers or the Farm Lobby either.

I have already spent far too much time on someone elses delusions or perhaps worse, distractions from the real work at hand. There are, of course, really good folks who practice christianity, who try to adhere to the teachings of Jesus, a figure who spent his earthly time amidst the poor, the enslaved, who did no harm and urged only good. It is unfortunate that our resident right wing religionist is not among them.

No person with a clear mind can possibly condone or even understand this obsessive and obviously disturbed persons continual rants against this imagined foe. I suggest that we give him our sympathy, hope he seeks a mental health professional and overcomes this neurosis before it worsens and we read about him in a newspaper headline.

farmertx:

You misunderstand. I don’t have ‘it’ under control - God has ‘it’ under control! You have heard of God, I take it? (that’s a rhetorical question - no reply necessary)

Leefeller:

Notice that I supported your surface comments with the caveat that they are ONLY surface comments. You have NO IDEA What’s Really Happening and I was/am NOT soliciting your support. Pleasant dreams!

#92331 by farmertx on 8/05 at 9:57 am
• #92313 by ardee on 8/05 at 9:56 am
Amen !
We’ve heard since before War II that the Zionist’s were taking over. Must be pretty disorganized if they haven’t accomplished it by now.

Undue influence, yes, no argument there. Is it detrimental to the US? Maybe,
in a way.

Regardless, Zionist’s will be the least of our concerns if Shrub and Co aren’t stopped and soon. 
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Farmertx & Ardee,

Another Amen.  I actually see a far greater danger (even than Zionism), for everyday that the Shrub and his master stay in charge at our House.

This thing with giving him unlimited spying powers now, is like, I dunno. Is it really too late? I mean, is this the final straw breaking down the last camel into a total paraplegic?

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/080407Z.shtml

The really scariest part of it all, is this overwhelming URGENCY that they’ve attached to getting these spying powers granted to him. In effect, the Shrub told them they couldn’t go home/leave for their break, until they signed over these expanded powers to spy on Americans, claiming that --if we are attacked during the next month--- it’ll be their fault for not giving over these expanded powers to allegedly spy on al-Qaeda, this same damn invisible enemy that we’ve been allegedly chasing for 6 years, and the only thing we’ve caught is a whole bunch of misery, in addition to being lumped in with them. So, they chase invisible terrorists (by spying on us) and they “catch” – WHO? Generally, -US- is who they “catch”. We haven’t caught a real terrorist – YET!!

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/080307C.shtml

Godsend
Sounds like you have it under control, so I won’t worry. Have a great one.

Godsend,
Thanks for reading my morning rant, but I would like to make it clear that the zionists are just one of many special interests lobbying the idiots in Washington.  Your obsession is definitely not mine.  Just follow the money. 

My suspicions are that we would part company after agreeing that Washington is a horn of plenty for special interests, big business and religion.  Opportunism takes many forms and I do not like any of them.

Your posts defy reaion and thought seems to be after even bigioted.  You seem to be missing the whole picture.  Your credit the zionists where credit is not due.

Fifty years ago you would have been focusing on the Communitsts with the same fortitude.

Do these posts have anything to do with Nancy Pelosi’s unflappability? You betcha! She’s a Zionist, after all! Why would a Zionist want to impeach another Zionist? No wonder Impeachment is ‘off the table’ - it always was (and will be) ‘off the table’ for any Zionist! And then there are ‘pardons’ and ‘commutations’, if push should come to shove - oy veh!

There is NO GREATER issue in our time than EXPOSING the perpetrators of 9/11! It is the tip of the iceberg of America’s nightmare.

There is NOTHING worth discussing until that question is answered for the world to SEE!

All hell will break loose when that finally happens. America’s collective consciousness will precede MSM acknowledgment of ‘WHO DID IT’.

HINT: Zionists (Israeli and American) had A LOT to do with it!

Hey, farmertx, I know life is rough on the farm out there and the sun burns hot BUT Bush & Co ARE Zionists!

Bush & Co are only the Zionists-of-the-day (in power). Once they go, there are plenty more (in all political parties) being groomed, bribed, cajoled or blackmailed by Israel’s Zionist leaders and the Israel Lobby to fill their shoes. Some of them are enthusiastic Zionists in their own right.

You sound like you enjoy being fooled - again and again and again! Either that or you’re just another Zionist ‘plant’. Not that clever, either!

ardee et al:

SEE! Leefeller’s latest post - it’s a very good surface-level description of what’s wrong with America - and, to some extent, the world!

What’s below the surface? You have to go down the rabbit hole to find out! It’s at:

http://novalight.org

Your pitiful attempt to sound ‘rational’ is a DENIAL of what is the Root of Evil. The Root of Evil is Satan, who is the ‘god of this world’, to use the description that Jesus the Christ used. He is also called ‘The Great Deceiver’. Have you noticed any DECEPTION lately in our government and country? Do you realize that the Israel/Mossad motto is ‘By DECEPTION we shall wage war’? Have you heard of ‘false-flag’ Ops? Israel’s leaders are bloodthirsty and murderous (Palestinians, Lebanese, Iraqis, Americans, etc.) Zionists and they have collaborated with their Zionists ‘plants’ (sayanim) in America to DESTROY our country, NOTHING LESS!

America and the world are NOT as they seem - and like the Zionist-controlled MSM (now including the WSJ) and blind fools like you would have Americans believe! Zionism is Nazism (Fascism) and it’s in the air right here in Thomas Jefferson’s America! It’s time to “water the tree of liberty with the blood of tyrants and patriots” - plenty of tyrants and traitors everywhere!

Are Zionists ‘under every bed’ and in control of every government?

NOT YET - but their aim is to create a ‘Greater Israel’ in the ME (Balkanization) and New World Order. Their 1st order of business is to manufacture the ‘Grand Depression’ - already in progress. Thank Alan Greenspan (Zionist) and Bill Bernanke (Zionist) for that!

Americans won’t be fooled again! Not by you and the likes of you, not by the MSM and not by the ‘Decider’ (Great Deceiver) or all the little (Zionist) deceivers - like Pelosi, Clinton, Barack, McCain and Lieberman, either!

Read Benjamin Freedman’s 1961 and 1974 speeches about the Zionist threat facing America (and the world). Freedman was an ‘insider’ who knew! Vanunu followed in his footsteps.

#92313 by ardee on 8/05 at 9:56 am

Amen
We’ve heard since before War II that the Zionist’s were taking over. Must be pretty disorganized if they haven’t accomplished it by now.
Undue influence, yes, no argument there. Is it detrimental to the US? Maybe, in a way.
Regardless, Zionist’s will be the least of our concerns if Shrub and Co aren’t stopped and soon.

Morning Rant

Between a choice of Zionists, neocons, liberals, socialists, communists, the religious right we get stuck with a White House. 

A White House full of neocons, fascists of the first order, accumulators of the mighty dollar and worshipers of their God, the constant lie. Sounds like we have a King.

Congress relinquished some of our rights and Liberties to the White House in the name of terror, we were duped, but were they?  Are we doomed to watch the destruction of our founding fathers great democrat experiment? 

Those of us who see and feel this, are tree frogs croaking in the dark, croaking for sanity.  instead we find nothing but political clones, foxs in the chicken house.

#92273 by GodSend on 8/05 at 12:29 am

Look, I generally skip your posts, not because you lack intellect, but because you lack judgement. You allow your deeply held religious beliefs to color your political opinions. That is a bad thing for a democracy in which all faiths and lacks of faith are accepted and merge into a governance.

It is this religiosity that forces you to see a single evil and a single solution to our numerous problems. It is this continual drum beat of Zionists under every bed that turn me off. Are there those who might be characterised as such? Certainly. Does Israel wield far too much power vis a vis the AIPAC lobby on our foreign policies? Probably. Should we change our policies towards Israel and the entire Middle East? Definitely. Do Zionists run our nation, run world commerce, run every government including our own? Absolutely and definitively NOT!

Of course you will dismiss my words as every radical rejects anything that deviates from h/her deep convictions, but that, Godspeak, is your problem not ours here. This constant and rather sophomorically shallow rant of yours actually is a detriment to a discussion of how to progress,and leads nowhere as it is based upon a small truth packaged in a giant lie.

cyrena
I would not dismiss everything that SEQUOIABIS (darn thats a toughie) notes in his somewhat slavish praise of Pelosi. Obviously I disagree strongly with his “she is powerless to do better” defense, and I know, as do you, that the nation deserves much better, especially from a supposed liberal.

However his defense does contain the germ of truth in that business in the House is difficult enough with the numerous and confusing rules and customs. I believe Pelosi’s rule differs from those of her immediate predecessors in that she is, so far, unwilling to abrogate those rules as did they in order to get legislation through or stifle it.

She does have the power to stop the nonesense of the GOP, allowing them to filibuster things that a majority of America wants to see, yet she does not, puzzling. She is setting herself and her party up for a great fall in the coming election in my opinion. The Rovian machine is poised to attack the Democratic Congress for its do nothing term, despite the fact that it is the GOP who forces the inaction. But before the shoe of judgement drops remember that the Democrats had the same options for six long years and chose, for whatever stupid reasons, to not use them.

The Zionists aren’t ‘under every bed’. They are, in fact, firmly embedded in the Democratic and Republican parties, Congress, the WH and the rest of the Gov’t apparatus - including the Fed, Pentagon, Justice, etc. Did I mention the MSM and Hollywood?

The Zionists are SO embedded in America that they are just about in bed with every decision maker of any consequence - including, of course, the ‘Decider’ himself! Guess what all those embedded Zionists are doing in all those beds? Can you say F...ing America? You betcha!

Some wishes will NEVER come true

#92219 by ardee on 8/04 at 5:52 pm

Ardee, Thanks so much for posting this information that I should have known, but admittedly didn’t, and hadn’t gotten around to checking it out. You did, and so I thank you!

So, SOMEBODY elected her, and she’s got all of this damn power, and she won’t use it. BECAUSE, it’s all about the political expediency, and the fact that she’s decided, (in her own words) that “impeachment” isn’t “worth it”.

Of course my question would be, -isn’t worth..WHAT?”

I guess I just don’t understand her value system. It’s not “worth it”? Is that kind of like saying, the house is burning, and I know some of the kids are still in there, but it’s just not “worth it” to go in and save them, or even try to put the fire out?

Is she saying that it would be too much trouble, and besides, if we just drag it all out another year and a half, the fire will eventually put itself out, even though by then, there will be nothing left to save? That’s what it sounds like to me.

Speaker “stuff”....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speaker_of_the_United_Sta tes_House_of_Representatives

The Speaker of the United States House of Representatives is the presiding officer—or speaker—of the United States House of Representatives. The position is elected in much the same way prime ministers are elected under a parliamentary systems. The current Speaker is Nancy Pelosi, a Democrat representing California’s 8th congressional district.{ By a plurality vote..ardee notes.}

The Constitution does not spell out the political role of the Speaker. As the office has developed historically, however, it has taken on a clearly partisan cast, very different from the speakership of the British House of Commons, which is scrupulously non-partisan. The Speaker in the United States is, by tradition, the head of the majority party in the House of Representatives, outranking the Majority Leader. The Speaker is responsible for ensuring that the House passes legislation supported by the majority party. In pursuing this goal, the Speaker may utilize his or her power to determine when each bill reaches the floor. He or she also chairs the majority party’s House steering committee. While the Speaker is the functioning head of the House majority party, the same is not true of the President pro tempore of the Senate, whose office is primarily ceremonial and honorary.

The Speaker is the highest-ranking member of the opposition party and is normally the chief public opponent of the President’s agenda.

[edit] Presiding officer
The Speaker holds a variety of powers as the presiding officer of the House of Representatives, but normally delegates them to another member of the majority party.

On the floor of the House, the presiding officer is always addressed as “Mister Speaker” or “Madam Speaker” (even if the Speaker him or herself is not the individual presiding). When the House resolves itself into a Committee of the Whole, the Speaker designates a member to preside over the Committee as the Chairman, who is addressed as “Mister Chairman” or “Madam Chairman.” Before any member may speak, he or she must seek the presiding officer’s recognition. The presiding officer may call on members as he or she pleases, and may therefore control the flow of debate. The presiding officer also rules on all points of order, but such rulings may be appealed to the whole House (although the appeal is invariably tabled on a party-line vote). The Speaker is responsible for maintaining decorum in the House, and may order the Sergeant-at-Arms to enforce the rules.

The Speaker’s powers and duties extend beyond presiding in the chamber. In particular, the Speaker has great influence over the committee process. The Speaker selects nine of the thirteen members of the powerful Committee on Rules, subject to the approval of the conference of the majority party.  Moreover, when a bill is introduced, the Speaker determines which committee shall consider it. As a member of the House, the Speaker is entitled to participate in debate and to vote. By custom, however, he or she does so only in exceptional circumstances. Normally, the Speaker votes only when his or her vote would be decisive, and on matters of great importance (such as constitutional amendments).

ardee again,
The speaker is chairman of the rules committee which gives her enormous power, a shame she chooses not to weild it...for whatever reasons.....

P.S. I really wish these “Zionist under every bed “ folks would simply go away......

Nancy Pelosi is the ‘Speaker’ for Zionist Democrats who support Israel FIRST! The Iraq invasion and occupation is in Israel’s interest, NOT in America’s interest. Israeli and American Zionists (Democrats as well as Republicans) don’t give a rat’s ass about how many Americans (or others) die or get maimed for life while promoting Israel’s interests around the world.

None dare call it treason - but IT IS!

#92012 by SEQUOIABIS on 8/03 at 2:57 pm
As a 62yo wm I think Nancy is really nice looking as well.
But nice looks don’t get the job done.
Nancy promised that the Democrat’s would stop the influence of K street types...and didn’t try that hard.
Granted she is far and away the best Speaker we have seen in a long time. Sam Rayburn comes to mind there.
But Nancy would gain much support, though little money, in stopping the endless, useless investigations and announcing a Bill of Impeachment.
And that seems to be the trouble; she doesn’t want to lose the money that is"donated" when she ignores what the public wants.
Let her change that aspect and I’ll be all for her and others who follow her. But not while she follows the money.

#92135 by SEQUOIABIS on 8/04 at 6:05 am

• First off I would be the first to admit that she is not newly elected to congress but she is the newly elected speaker of the house.

It may be a minor technicality to you, but it really does make a difference. Nancy was NOT “elected” to be the new Speaker of the House. It was a political promotion based on her seniority. I don’t know why it wasn’t Murtha. Hasn’t he been in the House longer than her? I just don’t think there is any “election” process that determined she would be the speaker. It happened because the Dems won a majority after the last election, and from my understanding of the process, that automatically puts the senior representative of the (new) majority as the Speaker. It’s like a default process. And.. NO, Ms. Pelosi did NOT single-handedly carry-off the mission of regaining the house after 12 years of repuglican monopoly. I think some of the other 300 million of us had something to do with that. Hastert and DeLay met their own demise, as well they should have.

That’s where we see the problem, is in Ms. Pelosi’s penchant to stifle all conversation or even legitimate questions posed by – THE REST OF US-

So, it’s not about anybody wanting to lynch her, because I said a long time ago, that I would not be the least bit annoyed if she just retired to a series of private cruise ships, and spent the rest of her days in idyllic splendor. I just want her out of the Congress, (and especially as Speaker) because she won’t do her job. And contrary to what you keep positing, she HASN’T done her job, because she’s about political expediency, and playing out some individualized fantasy of herself as Queen of America, or Parliament’s Royalty.

Still, the rest of us were just as elated, and certainly at least hopeful, once we finally did gain some legitimate agency (in numbers) after the election. And, those hopes were almost immediately dashed when Ms. Speaker announced that impeachment was “off the table”. She doubled the disaster by agreeing to hand over any sum of money that george asked for, to continue his “war of terror” on the rest of the world, as well as the rest of us, here at home. And, didn’t even bother to get us a receipt.

That’s when we knew that she had turned into our worse nightmare, instead of what we expected from a public official.

So, since you have such an infatuation with her, you would certainly be doing a major civic duty, if you just take her off into the sunset with you, and let us find somebody that’s willing to do what we’re paying them to do.

And, happy sailing.

OK, I surrender you bloggers that are impatient with the machinations of government are all correct Ms. Pelosi is Bad and Evil, what was I thinking of course your all right she is a thoughtless selfish bitch?

But before I join the lynching mob and call for her resignation and her political execution I would like to launch just one last defense of my fair lady.

First off I would be the first to admit that she is not newly elected to congress but she is the newly elected speaker of the house.

Secondly many of you are just too willing to throw out the good in your search for the perfect person who will reverse all the damage caused by Bush’s henchmen people like Hastert and Delay and get it done the day before yesterday. Wow I have never encountered such intolerance when it comes to trying to get things accomplished in a still hostile environment. The wheels of congress move almost as slow the tectonic plates

As a 66-year-old male liberal from NY I must confess that I am very infatuated with Nancy. I have been a student of politics all my life and I cannot recall a happier time than when the democrats regained control the House in 2006. Finally after 6 long grueling years of watching my country being misled by a Machiavellian leader and a rubber stamp congress our nightmare was coming to an end.

I had no delusions that things would change quickly but it was the beginning of the end for Mr. Bush and company and their misadventures overseas and their rape and pillaging of the treasury. Nancy had almost single handedly taken on this powerful juggernaut and won back the peoples house for the democrats.

Apparently many of her critics have forgotten how horrendous the situation was before Ms. Pelosi was handed the gavel. Despite the fact that she has not been able to achieve everything that we liberals want I must admit that I am still madly in love with this wonderful lady. Obviously many of you will not be happy until the tyrannical despots are back in charge. Then you might get to appreciate how special Nancy really is.

Can someone, (maybe #92012 by SEQUOIABIS) explain how we believe that Nancy Pelosi was “elected” to be the speaker for all of us?

That seems to be the theme of the apologists for her lack of efficiency and effectiveness in the position. That she is our “newly elected” leader of the House.

This is misleading. Nancy Pelosi was “elected” by her own district, AND, if I’m not mistaken, (I could be) became the SPEAKER, ONLY because she was the most SENIOR representative of the house at the time that the rest of us put the Dems in majority control of the House, in the last election.

So, she isn’t “newly” elected. She’s been “climbing and rolling” the Halls of Congress for years, and supported by the same 10K a plate fundraisers that Ardee mentioned in his earlier post.

And, her highest priority in the most recent years, has been to steamroll and otherwise silence ANY and ALL opposition to her controlling and dowager type behavior. So, she’s done nothing but stifle any other voices or opinions within the Congress or even her own party, if they don’t go along with her personal agenda.

So, let’s stop the excuses for Ms. Pelosi. She is NOT concerned with the majority of her constituents in her own district, nor is she even supportive of her fellow colleagues of either party, in the Congress.

Ms. Pelosi thinks this is all about HER, (and her small wealthy base) rather than it is about the troops that continue to die daily, or the thousands of innocent others in Iraq and elsewhere, while she continues to practice political expediency.

So, I think I said this before; Nancy is a danger to our Republic, and a continued threat to our survival as a nation that claims the rule of law for it’s legitimacy.

PS...I think the senate just passed the enhanced spy bill that george wants, that Nancy had already committed the House to approving. This is treason.

#92012 by SEQUOIABIS on 8/03 at 2:57 pm
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Just one small correction for my good friend “ardee”.

Ms. Pelosi did keep her word to get the House to vote for a rollback of the tax incentives given to the oil companies and thanks to her leadership it passed the house overwhelmingly. BUT it got bogged down in the Senate and the president has promised to veto the bill.

Now I must wonder, sir or madam, at one who scribes so well yet believes the two percent “rollback” (please) Pelosi and friends offered was indeed keeping a campaign promise. There is loyalty and then there is something else again......oh and I havent posted anything to you that could be described as anger, misplaced or otherwise. I may get angry at fools and liars, but I am rather calm and collected when talking about legislators who are fooling the electorate.