Re #92015 by Non Credo on 8/03 at 3:29 pm

Nice quote, NC. Where is George Washington when we need him?

#93424 by MoDster on 8/09 at 8:21 am: “...I do hope, though, that you at least read the articles on the links provided before blasting me with “...it’s all biased anyway...”

No, I wasn’t balsting you, MD, and I’ve already read what they have to offer. That was what I was criticising without going into detail. Perhaps some other time....

#93392 by Douglas Chalmers on 8/09 at 6:19 am

Thanks for the links and the tips! I’ll try to keep myself informed.

“...I’m only complaining about US media generally and the fact that they often tend to have a blinkered view of the world…

I do hope, though, that you at least read the articles on the links provided before blasting me with “...it’s all biased anyway...”

#93409 by atheo on 8/09 at 7:13 am

“M Doster shamelessly peddles facsism on this forum.”

Sure.

/pat

M Doster shamelessly peddles facsism on this forum.

#93386 by MoDster on 8/09 at 5:49 am: “...Mind elaborating a little on that statement? Apologies if you have already done so in one of your many other posts - I’m new here and do not know the commenting history of the many apparently prolific commenters on this site..... Would you care point out alternative sources of information where I might be able to get the “real” scoop...”

Sure, MD. Don’t worry about being “new” on any particular forum or blog, especially here.

I’m only complaining about US media generally and the fact that they often tend to have a blinkered view of the world. As most people live elsewhere on the planet, they have significantly different viewpoints - even if they communicate overseas or on the net in English, they/we have differing sets of values, etc which color their/our outlooks.

An easy way to start is to get your news from Reuters or Google News or some such and then save the links to the home pages as the stories are all from news media all over the planet. Another way is to search for news media in the countries you are looking at with regard to a given story as well as searching the topic.

You’d be surprised at how much is actually in English on the net and especially in the M.East or Asia generally. That is because they mostly have audiences in several languages in their own country and/or reach over several countries. Here’s a recently established English version of the Arabic Al Jazeera for starters - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage and at http://www.aljazeera.com/

#93360 by Douglas Chalmers on 8/09 at 4:08 am

“...doesn’t matter which link you post, they are all so biased anyway. The reason is that they are from US media and the USA has an involvement itself...”

Mind elaborating a little on that statement? Apologies if you have already done so in one of your many other posts - I’m new here and do not know the commenting history of the many apparently prolific commenters on this site. Your argument: “they are all so biased anyway” strikes me as rather hollow, however...naturally every argument or source that doesn’t agree with your point of view must be biased, right?

PS.: I know for a fact that this particular website isn’t connected to the US media or government in any financial or political sense. Would you care point out alternative sources of information where I might be able to get the “real” scoop?

92478 by Inherit The Wind on 8/06 at 4:40 am,

• “--remember, you acknowledged that “Zionists” is just a code-word for Jews.

No wind, I haven’t acknowledged ANY of this shit. The only thing I’ve “acknowledged”, is that you are PSYCOTIC, and probably a danger to others.

I might also acknowledge that somebody should give you a severe ass kicking, (because the meds don’t seem to help). Unfortunately, I’m not in a position to do that.
But, I can certainly hope.

Save the rage for somebody else. You bore me, and it seems like I’ve heard the same response from others.

Just go away, and give everybody a break. We’re under the most stressful of times in this history of the republic, and you just wanna spread all this stupid ass Islamophobia.

Don’t address this shit to me again wind. I’m real serious.

#93354 by MoDster on 8/09 at 3:39 am: “...Apologies, the second link in my previous post links to the wrong article on the site. The correct one is...”

Uhh, MD, doesn’t matter which link you post, they are all so bisaed anyway. The reason is that they are from US media and the USA has an involvement itself in how the game is played. Even that opinion on oil (Beware of False Assumptions on US Energy Policy) is distorted enough to make one wonder if it is really factual or a red herring.

Apologies, the second link in my previous post links to the wrong article on the site. The correct one is

http://www.atlantic-community.org/index.php/articles/v iew/Can_Saudi_Arabia_Be_Trusted?

It’s almost bordering on the funny:

a 20 billion US-Saudi arms deal goes through and what do I read online the day later: Saudi Arabia blocks a regional security conference on Iraq.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?A ID=/20070808/FOREIGN/108080097/1003

I mean, this must be some sort of plan, right?

There certainly are plenty of reasons why a reversion to pre-9/11 strategy towards Saudi Arabia might make sense again, now that Iraq has turned into complete and utter failure and every presidential candidate out there that has the guts to talk about the Iraq War only dares mention it with “withdrawal” in the same sentence. This website has a good pro&con;running on the arms deal:

http://www.atlantic-community.org/index.php/articles/v iew/Beware_of_False_Assumptions_on_US_Energy_Policy

Smart money says America better tighten up its security a whole lot from now on. Civil liberties adieu…

Jeffrey Blankfort:

When Malaysian Prime Minister Mathahir Mohammed declared at an international Islamic Conference in Kuala Lumpur in mid-October, 2003 that “today the Jews rule the world by proxy [and] They get others to fight and die for them,[1] the reactions in the U.S. and the West were predictable.

It was “a speech that was taken right out of the Protocols of Zion,” according to one Israeli commentator[2], and Mathahir would be accused of imitating Hitler and insuring that “Muslims around the world are similarly being fed a regular diet of classic big lies about Jewish power.[3]

Big lies? Given Israel’s unchecked dominion over the Palestinians and its Arab neighbors over the past half century, supported in every way possible by the United States, one can assume that Muslims, not to mention intelligent non-Muslims, have no need for additional instruction as to the extent of Jewish power. As further proof of its existence, if such were needed, there would be no attempt to measure the Malaysian prime minister’s words against the reality of the times to determine if there was anything accurate in his assessment.

If Mathahir could be accused of anything, it would be of being sloppy historically and using too broad a brush. The Jews, as such, control nothing. A segment of American Jewry, however, has been able, with few exceptions, to shape U.S. Middle East policy since the mid-Sixties. Given America’s position as a major world power, and now its only superpower, that is not a small achievement.

Over the years, that segment, the organized American Jewish community - in short, the Israel lobby - has amassed unparalleled political power through skillfully combining the wealth of its members[4] with its extraordinary organizational skills to achieve what amounts to a corporate takeover of the U.S. Congress and virtual veto power over the presidency.

There is virtually no sector of the American body politic that has been immune to the lobby’s penetration. That its primary goal has not been to improve the security and well-being of the United States or the American people, but to advance the interests of a foreign country, namely Israel, may be debated, but it was acknowledged, in part, more than a dozen years ago by Sen. Howard Metzenbaum (D-Ohio), who complained to an annual conference of the National Jewish Community Relations Advisory Council that “There’s only one issue members [of Congress] think is important to American Jews - Israel."[5]

It was no secret that Israel had long been interested in eliminating the regime of Saddam Hussein in Iraq and redrawing the map of the Middle East to enhance its power in the region.[6] Initiating that undertaking became a task for key individuals in and around the White House with deep roots in right-wing Israeli politics. The attack on the World Trade Center supplied the opportunity. That Iraq had nothing to do with it was immaterial. The lobby’s propaganda apparatus would make the American people believe otherwise.

The first step has been completed. Saddam Hussein has been removed, not by Israel, but by the U.S. and its “coalition of the willing.” From the perspective of the Israelis and, one must assume, the lobby, it is better that American and foreign soldiers do the shedding of blood, Iraqi and their own, rather than those of Israel, the world’s fourth ranked military power. Such an accusation will most assuredly draw cries of “blood libel” from the likes of the Anti-Defamation League, but it is a conclusion that one can readily draw from the facts. The degree to which the present Iraq situation, as well as the first Gulf War, can be attributed to efforts of key individuals and the major Jewish organizations that constitute the lobby is what this article will examine:

http://www.leftcurve.org/LC28WebPages/WarForIsrael.html

#92405 by cyrena on 8/05 at 6:37 pm
(669 comments total)
• anti-Semitism—a poisonous form of racism directed specifically against the Jewish people—is rampant in most all Islamic societies. Not only is anti-Semitism commonplace in Muslim nations, but it is propagated shamelessly by their leaders, in state-sponsored media, and by Muslim clergy

First, who CARES? Who cares if Muslim nations have the sense that ….”today Jews rule the world by proxy.
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Jews care. They care so much that they have made such speech a psuedo crime (anti-semetic). Soon, if they have their way it will be hate speech, and a real crime for which you may end up paying a fine or spending time in jail.

It is different, when you state your opinion in the United States and that opinion involves Israel, jews, Judaisim, AIPAC, War for Israel, # Zionists in the US government, etc.

If people said the same of another ethnic group, say the Japanese, then it would not be a problem.

Ultimately, the realisation of zionism requires the waters that flow down the Euphrates. Protracted means until zionism dies, or until the US quits supporting it.

Cyrena, again I truly applaud your patience.

Mr. Gates apparently announced recently that the American ‘presence’ in Iraq would be ‘protracted’. Nothing was mentioned about an invitation from Iraq for this ‘protracted presence’.

We can safely assume that ‘presence’ means American troops stationed in Iraq (on 4 gigantic American military bases) and American political arm-twisters, stationed in the HUGE American embassy.

‘Protracted’ appears to be a Zionist euphemism for ‘FOREVER’ (as long as it’s in the interests of Zionist Israel).

Anyone shocked by this announcement? You shouldn’t be! Does anyone (still) doubt that Mr. Gates is a Zionist? ‘Balkanization’ of Iraq is next on the Zionist agenda, followed by ‘Balkanization’ of Iran and the rest of the ME.

“Greater Israel” is waiting in the wings with bated breath!

“#92396 by Lefty on 8/05 at 5:42 pm

• ….”today Jews rule the world by proxy. They get others to fight and die for them.”

Lefty,

You quoted this from the former Malaysian PM, from a statement supposedly addressed to the Organization of Islamic Conference, back in 2003. Presumably, since this was a conference of Muslims, it probably took place in a Muslim Country, and sounds like it was attended by MUSLIMS.

So, how do you use THIS, to explain your point, which was this:

• anti-Semitism—a poisonous form of racism directed specifically against the Jewish people—is rampant in most all Islamic societies. Not only is anti-Semitism commonplace in Muslim nations, but it is propagated shamelessly by their leaders, in state-sponsored media, and by Muslim clergy

First, who CARES? Who cares if Muslim nations have the sense that ….”today Jews rule the world by proxy. They get others to fight and die for them.”?

This is standard fare/rhetoric for most Muslim nations, in so far as it’s TRUE, and has been (at least for THEM) for a real long time now. (at least since 1948) So, this is not a surprising thing to hear in a Muslim country, and because it DOES have some truth to it, (I mean, how long have we been fighting Israel’s wars and supplying it weapons, from right here in the USofA?)

So, this statement alone, is NOT a declaration of anti-Semitism. It’s just a statement of fact. Zionists would indeed control the world if they could, and others do in fact fight Israel’s wars by proxy. So, even if he said it HERE, why would there be a big deal? You say he should be impeached? Why? Are you a Malaysian Jew?

George has directed multiple insults to the Iranians (and others) over the years, calling them the “Axis of Evil”, and he actually directly addressed that to “the Iranian populace” in one of his useless speeches, on world wide cable. The president of another country uses his SOU address to his own country, to send threats to another DIFFERENT country.

He goes on national TV with 60 Minutes, and tells us all that the Iraqis should be “grateful” to us, (he doesn’t say for what) and you have a problem with a Muslim PM in a Muslim nation, talking to some other Muslims, about the fact that the Jews are trying to take over the world.

Get over it.

Re: #92297 by howardb86 on 8/05 at 5:25 am
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In contrast to the false charge of racism in Israel. anti-Semitism—a poisonous form of racism directed specifically against the Jewish people—is rampant in most all Islamic societies. Not only is anti-Semitism commonplace in Muslim nations, but it is propagated shamelessly by their leaders, in state-sponsored media, and by Muslim clergy.

For example, former Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamed declared in a 2003 speech to the Organization of Islamic Conference that, “today Jews rule the world by proxy. They get others to fight and die for them.” Imagine if an American president had made a similarly sweeping and bigoted statement about blacks, Latinos or any other race—what a justifiable uproar, perhaps even an impeachment, would ensue. Yet there was no condemnation by the Muslim world of Mr. Mohamed’s comments. Rather, virtually all of the conference’s Muslim leaders actually voiced their approval.

In response to a terrorist attack in Saudi Arabia in May 2004, Crown Prince Abdullah declared that “Zionism is behind [these] terrorist actions in the kingdom.” (Zionism is the code word often used by Islamic anti-Semites for Jews.) U.S. Congressman Tom Lantos called the Prince’s assertion “an outrage . . . blatant hypocrisy,” but Islamic leaders were silent. In fact, millions of Muslims still insist that Zionists were behind the September 11 attacks on the World Trade Center.
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Well hell, there’s all that and more, every day, right here on Truthdig, just read every second article by BIFPAT President, Chris Hedges. 

Wait a minute! 

That must mean that Truthdig is an arab, islamist, fundamentalist, terrorist, suicide bombing propagandist forum masquerading as a liberal American forum!

It’s all clear to me now . . .

atheo:

You mean there still won’t be enough water after all of Palestine has been ‘ethnically cleansed’ of Arabs and only Jews and some straggler Christians remain? Or are you referring to the expanded borders of the ‘Greater Israel’? - God only knows where those borders are!

They plan well, don’t they? - or so they think. Do they know they’re playing into the hands of the living God - which is a fearsome experience - especially if His plan is to melt them in His furnace?! They’re asking for trouble (again), it seems to me.

Maybe it’s for the best if all the non-Jews clear out of Israel and only the rebellious house remains. God works in mysterious ways - beyond the Chosen People’s devious and puny efforts to fool Him!

Maybe they don’t know (still) that God can’t be fooled at ANY time - although He is full of mercy and slow to anger.

Godsend,

What few realise is that the zionist goal of forcing all the Jews to “Israel” requires much more water than the levant has. It requires water from the Euphrates.

“It’s the water - and a lot more!”

So, if the Holocaust didn’t happen (at least not to the tune of 6 million victims - and we hear that there MUST be 6 million victims), why did/do some people insist that it DID happen? Does it mean that the REAL Holocaust is yet to come? Where would one find 6 million victims? Are Zionists trying to cause a global wave of anti-Semitism by their actions in the ME and in America that could produce those ‘magic’ 6 million victims in a hellish backlash? It’s a truly Satanic thought, conjured up in the “Synagogue of Satan”! It seems like Zionists are not believers in “Never Again”. How would 294,000,000 Americans feel if they thought that Jews ‘did’ 9/11? How would they feel if they thought that Zionists ‘did’ 9/11? Could/would they tell the difference? What will happen if it becomes self-evident that either or both of the above is true? Perish....the thought.

Read: “Zionism: The Real Enemy of the Jews” by Alan Hart.

atheo

THANK YOU

Vern,

Water indeed is the big thing:

A War Crime or an Act of War?
By Stephen C. Pelletiere
New York Times

Friday 31 January 2003

...as the Central Intelligence Agency’s senior political analyst on Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war, and as a professor at the Army War College from 1988 to 2000, I was privy to much of the classified material that flowed through Washington having to do with the Persian Gulf. In addition, I headed a 1991 Army investigation into how the Iraqis would fight a war against the United States…

We are constantly reminded that Iraq has perhaps the world’s largest reserves of oil. But in a regional and perhaps even geopolitical sense, it may be more important that Iraq has the most extensive river system in the Middle East...that [could] bring the waters of the Tigris and Euphrates south to the parched Gulf states and, by extension, Israel… With Iraq in American hands, of course, all that could change.

Thus America could alter the destiny of the Middle East in a way that probably could not be challenged for decades—not solely by controlling Iraq’s oil, but by controlling its water…

http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/020303C.htm

#92277 by Non Credo on 8/05 at 1:28 am
(200 comments total)

Yeah, everyone is focused on oil.  That’s only part of the equation.  Water is the “secret”, unspoken issue.  But it’s only a secret to those who haven’t been paying attention.  It is another smoke and mirror parlor trick that we fall for every time.  We are so easily distracted from the point...we are like ADHD kids.  We never know what to focus on because we can’t slow down enough to think.  I think we are cooked, eaten and shat out.

Scheer writes:

“The nation which was most directly responsible for spawning the original al-Qaida attacks on the U.S., and which has since helped finance the violence in Iraq, is now being rewarded with a long-sought weapons modernization package....

“While the $20-billion weapons package will no doubt be supported vigorously by lobbyists for a defense industry that stands to make a financial killing from the deal, it is expected to meet opposition in Congress, particularly from those who fear the impact of this new weaponry on the security of Israel.”

Here, liberal-left columnist Bob Scheer seems to be joining forces with the neocons and accepting , without question, the same kind of anti-Saudi propaganda they have been directing against Iran . What evidence does Scheer offer that these weapons systems are “long-sought” by the Saudis whose previous purchases seemed to have been kept under wraps by their military during the first Gulf War? But then, anyone who can still refer to the arms manufacturers as “the defense industry” and who seems to empathize with the concern of Israel’s agents in Congress over the deal cannot be expected to come up with anything resembling serious analysis.-Jeff Blankfort

#92155 by Inherit The Wind on 8/04 at 8:06 am

• ….”And there’s no REAL proof the Holocaust ever happened.”…

Well ITW, YOU said it, not me. I’ve never had any doubts about the Holocaust, and you’re the only one who consistently posts this shit on this forum. You’re off your meds again.

• Yeah, Cyrena makes her imbecilic “points” as usual. Does she use ANY source other than Palestinian propaganda sites?  ANYTHING to prove DogShit’s contention that Jews are the Devil’s spawn.

Think about how this sounds Wind. Why would I (or anyone else that has ever posted here) want to prove such a contention? It’s like something out of a sci-fi horror show, as if we don’t have enough of that going on in real life in America, (or anywhere else in the world for that matter) which is where I happen to be. Now. In the year 2007. And, NOTHING you ever post is connected to that same reality.

So, go back under your rock.

Howard writes: “Israel’s populaton includes more than one million Arabs, who enjoy the same civil rights as Jewish Israelis”

{British woman watches in shock as Israeli bulldozers raze her home west of Occupied Jerusalem}
By Agence France Presse (AFP)

Saturday, August 04, 2007

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=10& categ_id=2&article_id=84314

since 1967 israel has demolished over 18,000 Palestinian homes; the question is:

how many Jewish homes did israel demolish??

answer: NONE

and you still dare to talk about “the none racist”, “equal rights” and “the only democracy in the Middle East” israhell!!

An Appeal

http://www.matzpun.com/

{The authors of the following appeal are Israeli citizens and Jews of other nationalities whose families have been victims of racism and genocide in past generations, and who feel they cannot remain silent.

In the West Bank, the Palestinians have been imprisoned in ghettos separated by the Wall and numerous roadblocks.  In Gaza, The Sharon government executed its “unilateral separation” plan, which turned the entire area into a huge prison camp, under daily bombardment by Israel, now lacking in essential services.

The Olmert government started a massive war of destruction in Lebanon. It then used the international focus on Lebanon to increase the oppression in the OTs.  This time, the war machine is being run, once again, by a “dovish Labour” minister.

Internationally-supervised elections in the OTs resulted in a popularly elected Hamas government. The democratic result then led to an Israeli-American move to boycott this government and hamstring it completely, by collectively punishing the population.

As the Israeli government continues to make life with honour and freedom impossible for all Palestinians, reducing their existence to bare survival and depopulating more territories, it is now more important than ever for world public opinion to put the pressure of grass-roots boycott on Israel.  We call on all decent-minded people all around the globe to support our call for a boycott of Israeli exports and tourism.(17 October 2006}

boycott israel

http://www.mylinkspage.com/israel.html

Zionism the great cancer.Examples being Wall Street and Hollywood.Where every living thing is nothing more than a commodity,and consumer that can’t wait to convert young Muslim minds to our Western values of Prozac,burgers and fries.If this sounds off topic it is not,this is a war against Islam by the mainstram media in all parts of the world which is largely controlled by Jewish interests.

‘US seeks to drown Mideast in wars’

ASSOCIATED PRESS
BEIRUT

Hizbullah leader Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah criticized a US plan on Friday to increase military assistance to Arab countries, accusing Washington of seeking to drown the Middle East in wars.

Nasrallah was referring to a proposed US plan announced earlier this week to sell advanced weaponry worth at least $20 billion to Persian Gulf nations and provide new 10-year military aid packages to Israel and Egypt.

“The United States is bringing billions of dollars worth of arms to ignite wars in this region,” Nasrallah said in a speech beamed through giant television screens to hundreds of thousands of supporters in eastern Lebanon’s city of Baalbek. “The American administration is working on instigating sectarian strife and civil wars in Palestine, Iraq, the Gulf and… between the countries of this region.”

Nasrallah said the US was “using all its political, media, financial and legal means to terrorize, frighten and encircle the opposition in Lebanon.”

“But all this will not lead them anywhere,” he concluded.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=11860663746 93&pagename=JPost&#x2F;JPArticle&#x2F;ShowFull< /a>

#92035 by Frank Cajon on 8/03 at 5:22 pm

• Non Credo, I just blog here occasionally. I realize you are not one of the fringe who place Israelis in the 9/11 planes, but several of the Truthdig emphatically do.

Frank, I would take issue with the descriptive, that “several” of the Truthdig (posters) emphatically put Israelis in the 9/11 planes. I think there is less than a handful, because most of us are pretty rational, and so we are inclined to believe that 15 of the 19 of them were Saudis, or at least from places real close by. At least that’s all we really have to believe right now. There is no proof or even reasonable speculation, that it was suicide Israeli terrorists as opposed to suicide Arab Islamic terrorists. No proof either way, so we mostly don’t engage in that. For the most part on these posts, we stick with discussing the things we can actually see with our own eyes, and generally by way of tracing the money, and reading the documents.

So, that’s what the criticisms of Israel are based on, and none of us is so foolish as to not put Israel and the current Cabal in power, on the same “side” of the blame. The Israelis and the US Cabal are as firmly joined to Israel on one side of their hips as they are to the Saudis on the other. 

• I think that the arming of Islamic states which routinely attack Israel and neighboring Islamic states is a mistake. I oppose war in all its forms, so I oppose war makers, and that includes not just Israel, high up the list, but Syria, Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and the Palestinian leadership and terror factions.

Here again, you have this troubling habit of lumping all of these countries together, even though they aren’t all even in the same location or geopolitical proximity to each other, nor are their conflicts with Israel even the same.

Moreover, there is no evidence of “Islamic states routinely attacking Israel and/or neighboring Islamic States.” That starts sounding like ideological propaganda.

• Blaming it all on one side is the easy way out. Bush/Cheney may be in bed with the Israelis, but it’s a bed big enough to hold his Saudi buddies, too. A fact not one of the degreed people on this board will admit.

Here’s the deal on this, I haven’t seen any of the regular “reasonable/logical/rational posters at this site, make any claim that any specific problem in the Middle East was all on “one side”. That’s really much too blanket a statement, to try to get out of calling on those responsible, to actually be accountable. That’s what’s “too easy”. It means only making the connections that you want to make, and ignoring the significance of related connections.

To elaborate, no one that I’ve seen posted here has EVER “denied” the Saudi connection to US affairs, or to their influence in the region. Not ever that I have read. No one has ever made the least bit of an “apology” for America’s Kingdom of Saudi Arabia on this site, and I would venture to guess that some of the posters here may not even be aware of the bed-hopping arrangements that this particular Dick Bush Regime has maintained with the Saudis as well as the Israelis, or that the current Saudi Arabia, (which is really only as old as the current Israel) is, above and beyond all else, AMERICAN MADE, and by these same “team” of architects.
(an excellent book on this is: “America’s Kingdom: Mythmaking on the Saudi Oil Frontier”.  Author- Robert Vitalis. I highly recommend it.

• Bush has a classic Axis I Paranoid Personality Disorder… at times appears to be a Paranoid Schizophrenic, WTF, am I the only one that has seen one before?)

NO. We’ve seen this before. Several folks have noted it over an extended period of time, and at this same site. We know he’s an anti-social, paranoid-schitzo, socio-path, with all of the attendant criminal behaviors. The bottom line though is that YES…we DO know the mthr fckr is CRAZY, and yes, it is of MAJOR concern!!!

Israel is a self-inflicted wound

No friends just resentments, acrimony, distrust and hate. Good job Israel and just think, you’ve no one to thank but your very sad selves.

For all that Israel has they remain spiritually impoverished. Humility eludes you and denial is your drug of choice. The fact that this exhausting screenplay is going into 3000th production is evidence enough.

While this sustained pathology is an indeliably Israeli charecter defect - its infected America now too and that is criminal. But keep lying to yourselves Israel, its what you do best.

WATCH GW BUSH COMMENTS REGARDING “A FREE IRAQ”.

“A FREE IRAQ WILL HELP SECURE....???”

WHICH COUNTRY?

YOU MAY HAVE GUESSED IT.

“A FREE IRAQ WILL HELP SECURE ISRAEL”

http://xrl.us/vp2r-video-Bush

#91364 by Non Credo on 8/01 at 7:13 am
(195 comments total)

Lefty writes, “Bush hates Israel and hates Jews.”

Bush invariably pursues policies that are exactly in line with what the Israeli government demands.

If Bush “hates Israel and hates Jews”, then we can only conclude that the Israeli government “hates Israel and hates Jews.”

That’s possible, of course.
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Your premise is bullshit - your conclusions are bullshit!  For anyone interested in the Bush family position on Jews, do a little research on Fritz Theisen and the Union Banking Corporation of New York.

#92030 by atheo on 8/03 at 4:44 pm
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Bin Ladin is probably hiding out in the White House basement, in Laura’s house coat and slippers, drinking milk from the carton!

Non Credo, I just blog here occasionally. I realize you are not one of the fringe who place Israelis in the 9/11 planes, but several of the Truthdig emphatically do. And, yes, in other threads, it has been put out there that they intend to preemptively nuke Iran and probably Syria. There are fringe posters on here whose blogs are as neo-Nazi as any thing on the NSM board, which is fine, it’s not my board, I just think it’s kind of a paradox, since I think Bush, Cheney, and Rove are closet Nazis and don’t see many apologists for them, like I saw on the last board I was on, which considered me a leftist hell-raiser.
I think that the arming of Israel by the US is a mistake. I think that the arming of Islamic states which routinely attack Israel and neighboring Islamic states is a mistake. I oppose war in all its forms, so I oppose war makers, and that includes not just Israel, high up the list, but Syria, Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and the Palestinian leadership and terror factions. Blaming it all on one side is the easy way out. Bush/Cheney may be in bed with the Israelis, but it’s a bed big enough to hold his Saudi buddies, too. A fact not one of the degreed people on this board will admit. (Also, interesting, I have yet to see anyone else with Psychiatric training posit that Bush has a classic Axis I Paranoid Personality Disorder as defined in the DSM and at times appears to be a Paranoid Schizophrenic, WTF, am I the only one that has seen one before?)
BTW, the neocon religious right is a big problem for me, and the way they have infiltrated the political process. It is best left for another thread, but not all of these Creationist zealots are Zionist pawns and yet they bought themselves a Party, a President, and have tried to in no subtle way erase the distinction between church and state-as the soon to be seen decision throwing out Roe vs Wade will show.

Osama bin Laden:
A dead nemesis perpetuated by the US government

Osama bin Laden is dead. The news first came from sources in Afghanistan and Pakistan almost six months ago: the fugitive died in December [2001] and was buried in the mountains of southeast Afghanistan. Pakistan’s president, Pervez Musharraf, echoed the information. The remnants of Osama’s gang, however, have mostly stayed silent, either to keep Osama’s ghost alive or because they have no means of communication. 
With an ego the size of Mount Everest, Osama bin Laden would not have, could not have, remained silent for so long if he were still alive. He always liked to take credit even for things he had nothing to do with. Would he remain silent for nine months and not trumpet his own survival? [New York Times. July 11, 2002]

Bin Laden has often been reported to be in poor health. Some accounts claim that he is suffering from Hepatitis C, and can expect to live for only two more years. According to Le Figaro, last year [2000] he ordered a mobile dialysis machine to be delivered to his base at Kandahar in Afghanistan. [Guardian]

Pakistan’s Musharraf: Bin Laden probably dead

Pakistan’s president says he thinks Osama bin Laden is most likely dead because the suspected terrorist has been unable to get treatment for his kidney disease.

[A Bush administration official] said U.S. intelligence is that bin Laden needs dialysis every three days and “it is fairly obvious that that could be an issue when you are running from place to place, and facing the idea of needing to generate electricity in a mountain hideout.” [CNN]

Renal dialysis—talking about hemodialysis—is something that really is reserved for patients in end-stage renal failure. That means their kidneys have just completely shut down. The most common cause of something like that would be something like diabetes and hypertension. Once that’s happened, if you’re separated from your dialysis machine—and incidentally, dialysis machines require electricity, they’re going to require clean water, they’re going to require a sterile setting—infection is a huge risk with that. If you don’t have all those things and a functioning dialysis machine, it’s unlikely that you’d survive beyond several days or a week at the most. [CNN]

Karzai: bin Laden ‘probably’ dead

Osama bin Laden is “probably” dead, but former Taliban leader Mullah Omar is alive, Afghan President Hamid Karzai has said. [CNN]

FBI: Bin Laden ‘probably’ dead

The US Federal Bureau of Investigation’s counter-terrorism chief, Dale Watson, says he thinks Osama bin Laden is “probably” dead. [BBC]

Magazine runs what it calls bin Laden’s will

The editor-in-chief of a London-based Arab news magazine said a purported will it published Saturday was written late last year [2001] by Osama bin Laden, and shows “he’s dying or he’s going to die soon.” [CNN]

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osama_dead.html

#92015 by Non Credo on 8/03 at 3:29 pm
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heed the wise advice that George Washington gave us in his farewell address. Are you familiar with this document, 1Sgt?
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Absolutely! I have been quoting from the farewell address for many years now. This is the predicament we find ourselves, because America has not guarded her democracy and we have not lived by the way of life we espouse as a “democracy”.

It always amazes me just how many people don’t know about our own history. Our ancestors came here to GET AWAY from the ways of Europe’s perpetual wars and their consequences.

Yes, when a NUKE detonates here, America will NUKE Pakistan to oblivion, where bin laden is hiding.

#92010 by the 1Sgt on 8/03 at 2:50 pm: “KILL all the Arabs in retribution? So Israel can have that piece of dirt? for that, the whole world needs to live in turmoil? I don’t think so. WAKE UP AMERICA...”

Since Obama made that stupid statement about Pakistan, this has become really serious (again). Screaming about “3,000 Americans lost their live” six years ago is virtually identical today to Bush’s “you’re either with us or against us” malicious ravings.

Add this week’s “we wouldn’t use nukes on Pakistan if we attacked” by Obama and there is a dangerous permissiveness about it all. As PAKISTAN IS A NUCLEAR power, you can be damn sure that the opposite would inevitably quickly become the case!!!

WAKE UP AMERICA - this is heading for an end game!!! If the Democrats have a loose cannon like Obama, the Republicans are winning all the way. Neocons win - game, set and match! Better watch out!!! Loose talk about Hillary is one thing but this guy is now a threat.......

#91986 by Non Credo on 8/03 at 10:37 am
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Sometimes I get so tired of having to over-explain things.

PLEASE don’t make me explain all this AGAIN every time I say that this agenda is “for Israel”.
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It has always been PRETTY DARN CLEAR to me, even though I did not want to admit it, when I first started looking at this subject. One cannot believe their eyes, even with proof laid out in front of them.

We in the anti-war for Israel community are PRO-AMERICAN, not ANTI-Israel. That’s the difference, but the ignorant want to call us neo-nazis.

Criticism of US policy FAVORING ISRAEL or simple criticism of Israel’s policy of subjecting Palestinian Arabs to Apartheid-like policies gets automatic calls of anti-semetisism.

The bottom line is many people are scared of being called racist, anti-semetic for simply stating an opinion.

The other matter here is the fact many people are simply BRAINWASHED into believing Israel is OWED an existence through US FUNDS, wars for their defense and general protection in PERPETUITY because of the Holocaust and them being Gods chosen people, even though they are condemned to hell as long as they don’t accept Jesus Christ.

Believe it or not, it is OK to ask why these Arabs attacked us.

It has ALOT to do with our support of Israel, over the years, with over 100 BILLION and armaments that are used to kill Arabs.

Now, here we are giving them ANOTHER 30 BILLION over 10 years.

Will we be surprised when these Arab maniacs detonate a NUKE in our country, and kill hundreds of thousands?

What will we do then?

KILL all the Arabs in retribution?

So Israel can have that piece of dirt?

for that, the whole world needs to live in turmoil?

I don’t think so.

WAKE UP AMERICA

PALESTINE IS STILL THE ISSUE

Documentary directed by John Pilger regarding the Palestine / Israel conflict. This documentary has to be seen and is important in understanding the most important issue of the Middle East.
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THIS IS REALLY A GREAT DOCUMENTARY REGARDING THE PALESTINIANS AND A GROUP OF COURAGEOUS ISRAELIS UNITED & STRUGGLING AGAINST ISRAEL’S BRUTAL OCCUPATION.

For this video Please Link:

http://www.spiderednews.com/Videos/62446.htm

Sepharad,

Two words:

1) Sabra

2) Shatila

We need to seriously reconsider who we support.  It’s affecting our health.

http://thefederalistpapers2007.blogspot.com

Sepharad,

Two words:

1) Sabra

2) Shatila

We seriously need to reconsider who we support.  It’s affecting our health. 

http://thefederalistpapers2007.blogspot.com

Sepharad,

Your post 91853 is abhorrently racist and supremicist, it’s just plain disgusting. For the non-Jewish world, Israel is the unsavory society. You seem blind to it’s barbaric racism due to your own supremicism. You regurgitate zionist nonsense:

“For the record,… American and Western interests usually coincide with Israel’s interests”

Try informing yourself:

- Cost of Israel to the US http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/1209/p16s01-wmgn.html

- “Israel secretly maintains a large and active intelligence-gathering operation in the United States that has long attempted to recruit U.S. officials as spies and to procure classified documents, U.S. government officials said.” Los Angeles Times, 3 September 2004

- Jewish Groups To Challenge Ethics Reform, By Nathan Guttman, Forward http://www.forward.com/articles/jewish-groups-to-chall enge-ethics-reform/

Another canard you present is that Israelis aren’t behind the current wars in the M.E. Educate yourself:

January 26, 1998 Letter by leading Zionists and neoconservatives asking US to attack Iraq and change its regime http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm

“Groups Push For Sanctions, Fear US Will Falter on Iran,” By Ori Nir, Forward - Sep 1, 2006 issue
http://www.forward.com/articles/groups-push-for-sancti ons-fear-us-will-falter-on/

“Why would Iraq attack America or use nuclear weapons against us? I’ll tell you what I think the real threat and actually has been since 1990 - it’s the threat against Israel… And this is the threat that dare not speak its name, because the Europeans don’t care deeply about that threat, I will tell you frankly. And the American government doesn’t want to lean too hard on it rhetorically, because it is not a popular sell.” Pentagon Defense Intelligence Board Member Philip Zeikow, 10 September 2002
Contrary to Chomsky, the US has no interest in supporting Israel http://www.voltairenet.org/article143635.html

Challenging the power of the Israeli lobby: what should be done http://canadiandimension.com/articles/2006/09/27/676/

#91905 by Howard on 8/03 at 3:58 am” “...BiG Cheers for Israel. Little tiny country that some commentators here can’t dislike enough here. But no words on the implacable enemies who surround them and who are fixated on their destruction.
........Top Arab leadership does not want the hand of Peace that Israel has offered for decades. ........Look at Lebanon, at one time the ‘Switzerland’ of the area and bothered no one until the Syrians got in there and then bring in Hezbollah as their agents....”

Do you even know what you are talking about, Howard? Some of the people who comment here have been to these countries - and some have come from them. You merely prattle on about what you have been fed in the news media by your political masters, wherever you come from.

People here have genuinely informed views and do not wish to be distracted by drivel. You are welcome to be pro-Jewish or pro-Israeli but try reading Haaretz online before you start at least, please. You might also search some of the Arab and Iranian news websites.

For a start, go back to the 1970’s 80’s when Lebanon tore itself apart before you start spruiking on about where it is today. It really sounds as if you are on the stuff.... Then there are the children whoa are the victims of Israeli oppression - in their own land! http://poetryforpalestine.spaces.live.com/

#91322 by weather on 8/01 at 3:09 am
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Welcome to Israel

A political state by day, a religious state for tax purposes, an extradition-free refuge for its citizens who commit crimes elsewhere, but always the exhausting, manipulating and misunderstood victim that demands to be treated as the exception and always at the expense of others. Nice legacy.
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The above statement says it all. Well done weather.

The Saudi deal is yet another masterful coup by the MiC. The Saudis are very insecure people, especially the monarchy. They are also very liberal with their money. If you haven’t been there it is hard to explain. These people don’t know the value of hard earned money and actually have the buying concept backwards. In other words, they buy things in reverse need or without concept of use in relation to value.

You see this pattern everywhere you go in Saudi Arabia. For example, they will build military bases, complete with roads, housing, shopping centers, gas stations, aircraft maintenance hangars, extra long runways, large stadiums, mosques, etc, bases much larger than our own largest bases around the world--Yet, they will not have enough military people to occupy the very same base.

But, hey, they can say they have bases. That’s important huh?

Douglas,

Actually, it was New Zealand that was attempting to purchase one of those airports I caught, just in a short blurb.

There is another good piece on truthout, addressing these financial end-times for Wall Street and other similar entities.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/073007H.shtml

#91890 by cyrena on 8/03 at 12:57 am: “you’re on the mark with Austraila ....Sad, that means I have to scratch the Aussies off of my list of escape destinations....”

They’re also heading for the same infrastructure problems, cyrena, and for the same stupid reasons. They have a better social security structure because they have less state debt but they still have the smae housing bubble fantasies so they will suffer soon too with their own housing crisis.

So much for going along with a Neocon agenda and the same stupid economic policies. They are one of the fantasy currencies in the yen carry trade which has been unwinding seriosuly this week. New Zealand could be even worse when the crunch finally comes - this week’s financial saga on Wall Street was only the first squeeze.

#91883 by Douglas Chalmers on 8/02 at 11:52 pm

Douglas, you’re on the mark with Austraila. They have really moved f