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Bush Keeps Israel Close, Saudi Arabia Closer

Posted on Jul 31, 2007
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Joining forces:  George W. Bush clasps hands with Saudi Arabia’s King Abdullah (then crown prince) as the president welcomes him and his attendants to Bush’s ranch in Crawford, Texas, in April 2005.

By Robert Scheer

Go figure:  From the White House comes the news that self-styled anti-terrorism crusader George Bush wants to sell $20 billion in high-tech military equipment to Saudi Arabia, the source of most of the financing, and 15 of the 19 hijackers, for the Sept. 11th terrorist attacks on the United States.  The justification can’t be that this is yet another boondoggle for the military-industrial complex—the big winner in the war on terror—so we are told instead that the Sunni-dominated Saudi kingdom needs this weaponry to withstand a future challenge from those dastardly Shiite fellows in Iran.
         
Yes, the very same extremists whose surrogates are now, as a consequence of the U.S. invasion, pretending to be the indigenous government of Iraq.  Recall that the Shiite militants who rule Tehran, along with the Sunni nuts around Osama bin Laden, were both the sworn enemy of Saddam Hussein.  Now both of those forces are the main players, according to the Bush administration, vying for power in “liberated” Iraq, and our president is in the inane position of playing one group of fanatics against the other in the name of securing Iraq as a democratic haven. 

White House officials told The New York Times that Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates intend to use the occasion of their joint visit to Saudi Arabia “to press the Saudis to do more to help Iraq’s Shiite-dominated government.”  Huh?  Why in the world would the Sunnis, who control Saudi Arabia and are frightened to their bones of Shiites throughout the Gulf, be party to consolidating Shiite power in Iraq?

To complete the circle of madness, White House officials tell reporters that the hope of the latest arms sale program is that the Saudis will be so thrilled with their new weapons that they will stop funding the Sunni insurgents who are currently killing Americans.  The absurdity of this position is that it makes the Saudis the big winners in the war on terror and yet expects them to cut out behavior that has played so effectively to the kingdom’s advantage.  The nation which was most directly responsible for spawning the original al-Qaida attacks on the U.S., and which has since helped finance the violence in Iraq, is now being rewarded with a long-sought weapons modernization package.  Thus, a new generation of deadly toys finds its way into the volatile Mideast.

Embarrassing facts undermining Bush’s insistence that Iraq is the key battleground in the war on terror are that al-Qaida, which was not allowed a presence in Saddam Hussein’s Iraq, is now said by Bush to be behind the insurgency and that half of the foreign suicide bombers have been Saudi nationals.  Why would the Saudis now move to stem the flow of terrorists across their border when Bush is rewarding them so handsomely for their past support of terrorism?  After all, this administration has never demanded an accounting from the Saudis for the kingdom’s support of the Taliban government when it was coddling Saudi terrorist financer bin Laden.  Nor has Bush’s camp ordered any serious examination of just how 15 Saudi “soldiers” were recruited, and provided with legitimate Saudi passports and American visas, to commit the mayhem for which the Iraqi people have been so severely punished.

While the $20-billion weapons package will no doubt be supported vigorously by lobbyists for a defense industry that stands to make a financial killing from the deal, it is expected to meet opposition in Congress, particularly from those who fear the impact of this new weaponry on the security of Israel.  No problem—“senior officials” in the White House assured The New York Times that the Saudi arms package would be balanced with a $30.4-billion military aid package for Israel.  Then, of course, some large amount of military “aid,” to the tune of $13 billion, will also have to be extended to Egypt to keep the dictator in Cairo on board. 

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What a deal!  The Saudis pony up billions in cash, American taxpayers come up with an amount more than twice as high to keep the Israelis and Egyptians happy, and U.S. war profiteers, Bush’s most reliable core constituency group, make out like bandits.  Hey, it’s only money, and the only real cost might be to folks who get caught in the line of fire of those weapons in wars to come for generations.  But not to worry, most of them don’t vote in U.S. elections anyway.

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By Tony Wicher, August 13, 2007 at 6:15 pm Link to this comment

Re #92015 by Non Credo on 8/03 at 3:29 pm

Nice quote, NC. Where is George Washington when we need him?

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By Douglas Chalmers, August 9, 2007 at 10:10 am Link to this comment

#93424 by MoDster on 8/09 at 8:21 am: “...I do hope, though, that you at least read the articles on the links provided before blasting me with “...it’s all biased anyway…”

No, I wasn’t balsting you, MD, and I’ve already read what they have to offer. That was what I was criticising without going into detail. Perhaps some other time….

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By MoDster, August 9, 2007 at 9:21 am Link to this comment

#93392 by Douglas Chalmers on 8/09 at 6:19 am

Thanks for the links and the tips! I’ll try to keep myself informed.

“...I’m only complaining about US media generally and the fact that they often tend to have a blinkered view of the world…

I do hope, though, that you at least read the articles on the links provided before blasting me with “...it’s all biased anyway…”

wink

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By MoDster, August 9, 2007 at 8:26 am Link to this comment

#93409 by atheo on 8/09 at 7:13 am

“M Doster shamelessly peddles facsism on this forum.”


Sure.

/pat

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By atheo, August 9, 2007 at 8:13 am Link to this comment

M Doster shamelessly peddles facsism on this forum.

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By Douglas Chalmers, August 9, 2007 at 7:19 am Link to this comment

#93386 by MoDster on 8/09 at 5:49 am: “...Mind elaborating a little on that statement? Apologies if you have already done so in one of your many other posts - I’m new here and do not know the commenting history of the many apparently prolific commenters on this site….. Would you care point out alternative sources of information where I might be able to get the “real” scoop…”

Sure, MD. Don’t worry about being “new” on any particular forum or blog, especially here.

I’m only complaining about US media generally and the fact that they often tend to have a blinkered view of the world. As most people live elsewhere on the planet, they have significantly different viewpoints - even if they communicate overseas or on the net in English, they/we have differing sets of values, etc which color their/our outlooks.

An easy way to start is to get your news from Reuters or Google News or some such and then save the links to the home pages as the stories are all from news media all over the planet. Another way is to search for news media in the countries you are looking at with regard to a given story as well as searching the topic.

You’d be surprised at how much is actually in English on the net and especially in the M.East or Asia generally. That is because they mostly have audiences in several languages in their own country and/or reach over several countries. Here’s a recently established English version of the Arabic Al Jazeera for starters - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage and at http://www.aljazeera.com/

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By MoDster, August 9, 2007 at 6:49 am Link to this comment

#93360 by Douglas Chalmers on 8/09 at 4:08 am

“...doesn’t matter which link you post, they are all so biased anyway. The reason is that they are from US media and the USA has an involvement itself…”

Mind elaborating a little on that statement? Apologies if you have already done so in one of your many other posts - I’m new here and do not know the commenting history of the many apparently prolific commenters on this site. Your argument: “they are all so biased anyway” strikes me as rather hollow, however…naturally every argument or source that doesn’t agree with your point of view must be biased, right?

PS.: I know for a fact that this particular website isn’t connected to the US media or government in any financial or political sense. Would you care point out alternative sources of information where I might be able to get the “real” scoop?

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By cyrena, August 9, 2007 at 5:39 am Link to this comment

92478 by Inherit The Wind on 8/06 at 4:40 am,

•  “—remember, you acknowledged that “Zionists” is just a code-word for Jews.

No wind, I haven’t acknowledged ANY of this shit. The only thing I’ve “acknowledged”, is that you are PSYCOTIC, and probably a danger to others.

I might also acknowledge that somebody should give you a severe ass kicking, (because the meds don’t seem to help). Unfortunately, I’m not in a position to do that.
But, I can certainly hope.

Save the rage for somebody else. You bore me, and it seems like I’ve heard the same response from others.

Just go away, and give everybody a break. We’re under the most stressful of times in this history of the republic, and you just wanna spread all this stupid ass Islamophobia.

Don’t address this shit to me again wind. I’m real serious.

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By Douglas Chalmers, August 9, 2007 at 5:08 am Link to this comment

#93354 by MoDster on 8/09 at 3:39 am: “...Apologies, the second link in my previous post links to the wrong article on the site. The correct one is…”

Uhh, MD, doesn’t matter which link you post, they are all so bisaed anyway. The reason is that they are from US media and the USA has an involvement itself in how the game is played. Even that opinion on oil (Beware of False Assumptions on US Energy Policy) is distorted enough to make one wonder if it is really factual or a red herring.

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By MoDster, August 9, 2007 at 4:39 am Link to this comment

Apologies, the second link in my previous post links to the wrong article on the site. The correct one is

http://www.atlantic-community.org/index.php/articles/view/Can_Saudi_Arabia_Be_Trusted?

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By MoDster, August 9, 2007 at 4:37 am Link to this comment

It’s almost bordering on the funny:

a 20 billion US-Saudi arms deal goes through and what do I read online the day later: Saudi Arabia blocks a regional security conference on Iraq.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070808/FOREIGN/108080097/1003

I mean, this must be some sort of plan, right?

There certainly are plenty of reasons why a reversion to pre-9/11 strategy towards Saudi Arabia might make sense again, now that Iraq has turned into complete and utter failure and every presidential candidate out there that has the guts to talk about the Iraq War only dares mention it with “withdrawal” in the same sentence. This website has a good pro&con; running on the arms deal:

http://www.atlantic-community.org/index.php/articles/view/Beware_of_False_Assumptions_on_US_Energy_Policy

Smart money says America better tighten up its security a whole lot from now on. Civil liberties adieu…

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By atheo, August 6, 2007 at 10:27 am Link to this comment

Jeffrey Blankfort:

When Malaysian Prime Minister Mathahir Mohammed declared at an international Islamic Conference in Kuala Lumpur in mid-October, 2003 that “today the Jews rule the world by proxy [and] They get others to fight and die for them,[1] the reactions in the U.S. and the West were predictable.

It was “a speech that was taken right out of the Protocols of Zion,” according to one Israeli commentator[2], and Mathahir would be accused of imitating Hitler and insuring that “Muslims around the world are similarly being fed a regular diet of classic big lies about Jewish power.[3]

Big lies? Given Israel’s unchecked dominion over the Palestinians and its Arab neighbors over the past half century, supported in every way possible by the United States, one can assume that Muslims, not to mention intelligent non-Muslims, have no need for additional instruction as to the extent of Jewish power. As further proof of its existence, if such were needed, there would be no attempt to measure the Malaysian prime minister’s words against the reality of the times to determine if there was anything accurate in his assessment.

If Mathahir could be accused of anything, it would be of being sloppy historically and using too broad a brush. The Jews, as such, control nothing. A segment of American Jewry, however, has been able, with few exceptions, to shape U.S. Middle East policy since the mid-Sixties. Given America’s position as a major world power, and now its only superpower, that is not a small achievement.

Over the years, that segment, the organized American Jewish community - in short, the Israel lobby - has amassed unparalleled political power through skillfully combining the wealth of its members[4] with its extraordinary organizational skills to achieve what amounts to a corporate takeover of the U.S. Congress and virtual veto power over the presidency.

There is virtually no sector of the American body politic that has been immune to the lobby’s penetration. That its primary goal has not been to improve the security and well-being of the United States or the American people, but to advance the interests of a foreign country, namely Israel, may be debated, but it was acknowledged, in part, more than a dozen years ago by Sen. Howard Metzenbaum (D-Ohio), who complained to an annual conference of the National Jewish Community Relations Advisory Council that “There’s only one issue members [of Congress] think is important to American Jews - Israel.”[5]

It was no secret that Israel had long been interested in eliminating the regime of Saddam Hussein in Iraq and redrawing the map of the Middle East to enhance its power in the region.[6] Initiating that undertaking became a task for key individuals in and around the White House with deep roots in right-wing Israeli politics. The attack on the World Trade Center supplied the opportunity. That Iraq had nothing to do with it was immaterial. The lobby’s propaganda apparatus would make the American people believe otherwise.

The first step has been completed. Saddam Hussein has been removed, not by Israel, but by the U.S. and its “coalition of the willing.” From the perspective of the Israelis and, one must assume, the lobby, it is better that American and foreign soldiers do the shedding of blood, Iraqi and their own, rather than those of Israel, the world’s fourth ranked military power. Such an accusation will most assuredly draw cries of “blood libel” from the likes of the Anti-Defamation League, but it is a conclusion that one can readily draw from the facts. The degree to which the present Iraq situation, as well as the first Gulf War, can be attributed to efforts of key individuals and the major Jewish organizations that constitute the lobby is what this article will examine:

http://www.leftcurve.org/LC28WebPages/WarForIsrael.html

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By Inherit The Wind, August 6, 2007 at 5:40 am Link to this comment
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First, who CARES? Who cares if Muslim nations have the sense that ….”today Jews rule the world by proxy. They get others to fight and die for them.”?

This is standard fare/rhetoric for most Muslim nations, in so far as it’s TRUE, and has been (at least for THEM) for a real long time now. (at least since 1948) So, this is not a surprising thing to hear in a Muslim country, and because it DOES have some truth to it, (I mean, how long have we been fighting Israel’s wars and supplying it weapons, from right here in the USofA?)

So, this statement alone, is NOT a declaration of anti-Semitism. It’s just a statement of fact. Zionists would indeed control the world if they could, and others do in fact fight Israel’s wars by proxy. So, even if he said it HERE, why would there be a big deal? You say he should be impeached? Why? Are you a Malaysian Jew?

Cyrena, do you even READ or REMEMBER what you post?

This is a FASCINATING post by you because:

A) You admit that YOU know that “Zionism” is really a code-word for all Jews (just like “crime and welfare” is the neo-nazi code-word for Blacks).
“...Muslim nations have the sense that ….”today Jews rule the world by proxy. They get others to fight and die for them.”?

This is standard fare/rhetoric for most Muslim nations, in so far as it’s TRUE..”

B)You then mimic the age-old anti-Semitic slur that Jews want and intend to rule the world—“It’s just a statement of fact. Zionists would indeed control the world if they could,”—remember, you acknowledged that “Zionists” is just a code-word for Jews.

C) You then add the additional anti-Semitic slur that Jews are fundamentally cowards: “others do in fact fight Israel’s wars by proxy.”  Yet somehow, Israel has been in, what? 5,6, 7? wars for HER VERY SURVIVAL and won…

D) You then EXCUSE the rampant growing anti-Semitism in the world with “So, even if he said it HERE, why would there be a big deal?”  If ANY world leader, in an international forum, said the same thing about ANY OTHER nation or ethnic group he/she would be pilloried for days and weeks by other leaders and the press.  Just what the FUCK does Israel have to do with Malaysia?  Just how the FUCK is Israel doing anything to hurt or help Malaysia? 

So, Cyrena, you have, despite your pretense of being disinterested and non-partisan, made it clear that your views and sympathies are perfectly in-line with the rabid views of extreme anti-semites from the Moslem world (those bastions of freedom and democracy)to the likes of NeoCrud, SgtSchultz and, especially, DogShit (minus the hellfire and brimstone and declaring himself a prophet).

How long are you all going to pretend you aren’t for simply slaughtering every Jew in the world on the pretext that that will, somehow, magically “fix” everything?  It is the ONLY logical inference possible from all your diatribes.

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By the 1Sgt, August 6, 2007 at 4:58 am Link to this comment

#92405 by cyrena on 8/05 at 6:37 pm
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• anti-Semitism—a poisonous form of racism directed specifically against the Jewish people—is rampant in most all Islamic societies. Not only is anti-Semitism commonplace in Muslim nations, but it is propagated shamelessly by their leaders, in state-sponsored media, and by Muslim clergy

First, who CARES? Who cares if Muslim nations have the sense that ….”today Jews rule the world by proxy.
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Jews care. They care so much that they have made such speech a psuedo crime (anti-semetic). Soon, if they have their way it will be hate speech, and a real crime for which you may end up paying a fine or spending time in jail.

It is different, when you state your opinion in the United States and that opinion involves Israel, jews, Judaisim, AIPAC, War for Israel, # Zionists in the US government, etc.

If people said the same of another ethnic group, say the Japanese, then it would not be a problem.

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By atheo, August 5, 2007 at 8:33 pm Link to this comment

Ultimately, the realisation of zionism requires the waters that flow down the Euphrates. Protracted means until zionism dies, or until the US quits supporting it.


Cyrena, again I truly applaud your patience.

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By GodSend, August 5, 2007 at 8:04 pm Link to this comment

Mr. Gates apparently announced recently that the American ‘presence’ in Iraq would be ‘protracted’. Nothing was mentioned about an invitation from Iraq for this ‘protracted presence’.

We can safely assume that ‘presence’ means American troops stationed in Iraq (on 4 gigantic American military bases) and American political arm-twisters, stationed in the HUGE American embassy.

‘Protracted’ appears to be a Zionist euphemism for ‘FOREVER’ (as long as it’s in the interests of Zionist Israel).

Anyone shocked by this announcement? You shouldn’t be! Does anyone (still) doubt that Mr. Gates is a Zionist? ‘Balkanization’ of Iraq is next on the Zionist agenda, followed by ‘Balkanization’ of Iran and the rest of the ME.

“Greater Israel” is waiting in the wings with bated breath!

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By cyrena, August 5, 2007 at 7:37 pm Link to this comment

“#92396 by Lefty on 8/05 at 5:42 pm

•  ….”today Jews rule the world by proxy. They get others to fight and die for them.”

Lefty,

You quoted this from the former Malaysian PM, from a statement supposedly addressed to the Organization of Islamic Conference, back in 2003. Presumably, since this was a conference of Muslims, it probably took place in a Muslim Country, and sounds like it was attended by MUSLIMS.

So, how do you use THIS, to explain your point, which was this:

•  anti-Semitism—a poisonous form of racism directed specifically against the Jewish people—is rampant in most all Islamic societies. Not only is anti-Semitism commonplace in Muslim nations, but it is propagated shamelessly by their leaders, in state-sponsored media, and by Muslim clergy

First, who CARES? Who cares if Muslim nations have the sense that ….”today Jews rule the world by proxy. They get others to fight and die for them.”?

This is standard fare/rhetoric for most Muslim nations, in so far as it’s TRUE, and has been (at least for THEM) for a real long time now. (at least since 1948) So, this is not a surprising thing to hear in a Muslim country, and because it DOES have some truth to it, (I mean, how long have we been fighting Israel’s wars and supplying it weapons, from right here in the USofA?)

So, this statement alone, is NOT a declaration of anti-Semitism. It’s just a statement of fact. Zionists would indeed control the world if they could, and others do in fact fight Israel’s wars by proxy. So, even if he said it HERE, why would there be a big deal? You say he should be impeached? Why? Are you a Malaysian Jew?

George has directed multiple insults to the Iranians (and others) over the years, calling them the “Axis of Evil”, and he actually directly addressed that to “the Iranian populace” in one of his useless speeches, on world wide cable. The president of another country uses his SOU address to his own country, to send threats to another DIFFERENT country.

He goes on national TV with 60 Minutes, and tells us all that the Iraqis should be “grateful” to us, (he doesn’t say for what) and you have a problem with a Muslim PM in a Muslim nation, talking to some other Muslims, about the fact that the Jews are trying to take over the world.

Get over it.

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By GodSend, August 5, 2007 at 2:47 pm Link to this comment

atheo:

You mean there still won’t be enough water after all of Palestine has been ‘ethnically cleansed’ of Arabs and only Jews and some straggler Christians remain? Or are you referring to the expanded borders of the ‘Greater Israel’? - God only knows where those borders are!

They plan well, don’t they? - or so they think. Do they know they’re playing into the hands of the living God - which is a fearsome experience - especially if His plan is to melt them in His furnace?! They’re asking for trouble (again), it seems to me.

Maybe it’s for the best if all the non-Jews clear out of Israel and only the rebellious house remains. God works in mysterious ways - beyond the Chosen People’s devious and puny efforts to fool Him!

Maybe they don’t know (still) that God can’t be fooled at ANY time - although He is full of mercy and slow to anger. wink

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By atheo, August 5, 2007 at 2:30 pm Link to this comment

Godsend,

What few realise is that the zionist goal of forcing all the Jews to “Israel” requires much more water than the levant has. It requires water from the Euphrates.

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By GodSend, August 5, 2007 at 1:05 pm Link to this comment

“It’s the water - and a lot more!”

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By GodSend, August 5, 2007 at 12:55 pm Link to this comment

So, if the Holocaust didn’t happen (at least not to the tune of 6 million victims - and we hear that there MUST be 6 million victims), why did/do some people insist that it DID happen? Does it mean that the REAL Holocaust is yet to come? Where would one find 6 million victims? Are Zionists trying to cause a global wave of anti-Semitism by their actions in the ME and in America that could produce those ‘magic’ 6 million victims in a hellish backlash? It’s a truly Satanic thought, conjured up in the “Synagogue of Satan”! It seems like Zionists are not believers in “Never Again”. How would 294,000,000 Americans feel if they thought that Jews ‘did’ 9/11? How would they feel if they thought that Zionists ‘did’ 9/11? Could/would they tell the difference? What will happen if it becomes self-evident that either or both of the above is true? Perish….the thought.

Read: “Zionism: The Real Enemy of the Jews” by Alan Hart.

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By nahida, August 5, 2007 at 10:14 am Link to this comment

atheo

Great posts… always

THANK YOU

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By atheo, August 5, 2007 at 10:02 am Link to this comment

Vern,

Water indeed is the big thing:

A War Crime or an Act of War?
By Stephen C. Pelletiere
New York Times

Friday 31 January 2003

...as the Central Intelligence Agency’s senior political analyst on Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war, and as a professor at the Army War College from 1988 to 2000, I was privy to much of the classified material that flowed through Washington having to do with the Persian Gulf. In addition, I headed a 1991 Army investigation into how the Iraqis would fight a war against the United States…

We are constantly reminded that Iraq has perhaps the world’s largest reserves of oil. But in a regional and perhaps even geopolitical sense, it may be more important that Iraq has the most extensive river system in the Middle East…that [could] bring the waters of the Tigris and Euphrates south to the parched Gulf states and, by extension, Israel… With Iraq in American hands, of course, all that could change.

Thus America could alter the destiny of the Middle East in a way that probably could not be challenged for decades—not solely by controlling Iraq’s oil, but by controlling its water…

http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/020303C.htm

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By Verne Arnold, August 5, 2007 at 8:37 am Link to this comment

#92277 by Non Credo on 8/05 at 1:28 am
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Yeah, everyone is focused on oil.  That’s only part of the equation.  Water is the “secret”, unspoken issue.  But it’s only a secret to those who haven’t been paying attention.  It is another smoke and mirror parlor trick that we fall for every time.  We are so easily distracted from the point…we are like ADHD kids.  We never know what to focus on because we can’t slow down enough to think.  I think we are cooked, eaten and shat out.

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By howardb86, August 5, 2007 at 6:25 am Link to this comment
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In contrast to the false charge of racism in Israel. anti-Semitism—a poisonous form of racism directed specifically against the Jewish people—is rampant in most all Islamic societies. Not only is anti-Semitism commonplace in Muslim nations, but it is propagated shamelessly by their leaders, in state-sponsored media, and by Muslim clergy.

For example, former Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamed declared in a 2003 speech to the Organization of Islamic Conference that, “today Jews rule the world by proxy. They get others to fight and die for them.” Imagine if an American president had made a similarly sweeping and bigoted statement about blacks, Latinos or any other race—what a justifiable uproar, perhaps even an impeachment, would ensue. Yet there was no condemnation by the Muslim world of Mr. Mohamed’s comments. Rather, virtually all of the conference’s Muslim leaders actually voiced their approval.

In response to a terrorist attack in Saudi Arabia in May 2004, Crown Prince Abdullah declared that “Zionism is behind [these] terrorist actions in the kingdom.” (Zionism is the code word often used by Islamic anti-Semites for Jews.) U.S. Congressman Tom Lantos called the Prince’s assertion “an outrage . . . blatant hypocrisy,” but Islamic leaders were silent. In fact, millions of Muslims still insist that Zionists were behind the September 11 attacks on the World Trade Center.

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#92155 by Inherit The Wind on 8/04 at 8:06 am

• ….”And there’s no REAL proof the Holocaust ever happened.”…

Well ITW, YOU said it, not me. I’ve never had any doubts about the Holocaust, and you’re the only one who consistently posts this shit on this forum. You’re off your meds again.

You can’t detect biting sarcasm and I’M the one off the meds????????

You know damn well I know the Holocaust is probably THE best documented crime in human history.

Here’s what NaziCrud posts:
The Israelis are vicious thieves and murderers. Everyone in the mideast knows they want to steal the Litani river, which means annexing south Lebanon, and killing or expelling the Unchosen People who live there. Eff you and all your evil spores.

I’m not imagining the vicious neo-nazi anti-semitism here. I’m not the one who needs psychotropic drugs.

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By atheo, August 4, 2007 at 10:24 pm Link to this comment

Scheer writes:

“The nation which was most directly responsible for spawning the original al-Qaida attacks on the U.S., and which has since helped finance the violence in Iraq, is now being rewarded with a long-sought weapons modernization package….

“While the $20-billion weapons package will no doubt be supported vigorously by lobbyists for a defense industry that stands to make a financial killing from the deal, it is expected to meet opposition in Congress, particularly from those who fear the impact of this new weaponry on the security of Israel.”

Here, liberal-left columnist Bob Scheer seems to be joining forces with the neocons and accepting , without question, the same kind of anti-Saudi propaganda they have been directing against Iran . What evidence does Scheer offer that these weapons systems are “long-sought” by the Saudis whose previous purchases seemed to have been kept under wraps by their military during the first Gulf War? But then, anyone who can still refer to the arms manufacturers as “the defense industry” and who seems to empathize with the concern of Israel’s agents in Congress over the deal cannot be expected to come up with anything resembling serious analysis.-Jeff Blankfort

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By cyrena, August 4, 2007 at 10:03 pm Link to this comment

#92155 by Inherit The Wind on 8/04 at 8:06 am

•  ….”And there’s no REAL proof the Holocaust ever happened.”…

Well ITW, YOU said it, not me. I’ve never had any doubts about the Holocaust, and you’re the only one who consistently posts this shit on this forum. You’re off your meds again.

•  Yeah, Cyrena makes her imbecilic “points” as usual. Does she use ANY source other than Palestinian propaganda sites?  ANYTHING to prove DogShit’s contention that Jews are the Devil’s spawn.

Think about how this sounds Wind. Why would I (or anyone else that has ever posted here) want to prove such a contention? It’s like something out of a sci-fi horror show, as if we don’t have enough of that going on in real life in America, (or anywhere else in the world for that matter) which is where I happen to be. Now. In the year 2007. And, NOTHING you ever post is connected to that same reality.

So, go back under your rock.

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By nahida, August 4, 2007 at 9:55 pm Link to this comment

Howard writes: “Israel’s populaton includes more than one million Arabs, who enjoy the same civil rights as Jewish Israelis”

{British woman watches in shock as Israeli bulldozers raze her home west of Occupied Jerusalem}
By Agence France Presse (AFP)

Saturday, August 04, 2007

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=10&categ_id=2&article_id=84314

since 1967 israel has demolished over 18,000 Palestinian homes; the question is:

how many Jewish homes did israel demolish??

answer: NONE

and you still dare to talk about “the none racist”, “equal rights” and “the only democracy in the Middle East” israhell!!

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By nahida, August 4, 2007 at 9:30 pm Link to this comment

An Appeal

http://www.matzpun.com/

{The authors of the following appeal are Israeli citizens and Jews of other nationalities whose families have been victims of racism and genocide in past generations, and who feel they cannot remain silent.


In the West Bank, the Palestinians have been imprisoned in ghettos separated by the Wall and numerous roadblocks.  In Gaza, The Sharon government executed its “unilateral separation” plan, which turned the entire area into a huge prison camp, under daily bombardment by Israel, now lacking in essential services.

The Olmert government started a massive war of destruction in Lebanon. It then used the international focus on Lebanon to increase the oppression in the OTs.  This time, the war machine is being run, once again, by a “dovish Labour” minister.

Internationally-supervised elections in the OTs resulted in a popularly elected Hamas government. The democratic result then led to an Israeli-American move to boycott this government and hamstring it completely, by collectively punishing the population.

As the Israeli government continues to make life with honour and freedom impossible for all Palestinians, reducing their existence to bare survival and depopulating more territories, it is now more important than ever for world public opinion to put the pressure of grass-roots boycott on Israel.  We call on all decent-minded people all around the globe to support our call for a boycott of Israeli exports and tourism.(17 October 2006}

boycott israel

http://www.mylinkspage.com/israel.html

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By THE MANGEMEISTER, August 4, 2007 at 9:14 pm Link to this comment

Zionism the great cancer.Examples being Wall Street and Hollywood.Where every living thing is nothing more than a commodity,and consumer that can’t wait to convert young Muslim minds to our Western values of Prozac,burgers and fries.If this sounds off topic it is not,this is a war against Islam by the mainstram media in all parts of the world which is largely controlled by Jewish interests.

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By atheo, August 4, 2007 at 10:16 am Link to this comment

‘US seeks to drown Mideast in wars’

ASSOCIATED PRESS
BEIRUT


Hizbullah leader Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah criticized a US plan on Friday to increase military assistance to Arab countries, accusing Washington of seeking to drown the Middle East in wars.

Nasrallah was referring to a proposed US plan announced earlier this week to sell advanced weaponry worth at least $20 billion to Persian Gulf nations and provide new 10-year military aid packages to Israel and Egypt.

“The United States is bringing billions of dollars worth of arms to ignite wars in this region,” Nasrallah said in a speech beamed through giant television screens to hundreds of thousands of supporters in eastern Lebanon’s city of Baalbek. “The American administration is working on instigating sectarian strife and civil wars in Palestine, Iraq, the Gulf and… between the countries of this region.”

Nasrallah said the US was “using all its political, media, financial and legal means to terrorize, frighten and encircle the opposition in Lebanon.”

“But all this will not lead them anywhere,” he concluded.


http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1186066374693&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull

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By Inherit The Wind, August 4, 2007 at 9:06 am Link to this comment
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Non Credo on 8/04 at 5:24 am
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from #92128 by cyrena on 8/04 at 5:13 am:

“Moreover, there is no evidence of ‘Islamic states routinely attacking Israel and/or neighboring Islamic States.’ That starts sounding like ideological propaganda.”
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Thanks, Cyrena, for making this point. Non Credo on 8/04 at 5:24 am
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from #92128 by cyrena on 8/04 at 5:13 am:

“Moreover, there is no evidence of ‘Islamic states routinely attacking Israel and/or neighboring Islamic States.’ That starts sounding like ideological propaganda.”
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Thanks, Cyrena, for making this point.

*****
And “global warming” is liberal propaganda.
And the landing on the Moon was a phony produced in Hollywood.
And you can’t prove the earth is round, either!
And Hezbollah wasn’t established, funded and trained by the Iranian religious leaders.
And there’s no REAL proof the Holocaust ever happened.

Yeah, Cyrena makes her imbecilic “points” as usual. Does she use ANY source other than Palestinian propaganda sites?  ANYTHING to prove DogShit’s contention that Jews are the Devil’s spawn.

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By 1drees, August 4, 2007 at 7:35 am Link to this comment
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Yes, when a NUKE detonates here, America will NUKE Pakistan to oblivion, where bin laden is hiding.
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yo Dummies, All you guys can do is chalk out War plans, that is all the Americans can do. you guys are the true Warmongers of this Century, If usa gets nuked it will be due to the hard work of your governement who specialises in creating differences out of nothing ( not nothing, actually LIES) & then going to War over it. Besides maybe you guys cannot notice only the Americans are the ones that use nukes ( Hiroshima & Nagasaki ), only the shameless Americans keep swearing to nuke everyone without any thought of consequences. BTW the Depleted Uranuim showers that your US forces give Iraqi’s every day is appreciated & witnessed by the World, Also the depleted Uranium is a “WMD” as it kills everyone including your soldiers there who were actively involved in enslaving iraqis & stealing their oil. Also the speeches of Obama (ATTAK PAKISTAN)  & then Toncredo ( ATTACK SAUDIA) shows the typical American Trigger Happy War psyche, seems All Americans want is to kill everyone else by nuking, Good Going! & then you people want to Claim that you “are” Normal. Actually many people knew that Bush lied about saddam & AQ & what not BUT the people were thinking ” hey now that we are going to be stealing Iraqi gas, hell its going to be cheaper for me” and everyone wanted to go that WAR unfortunatly when Iraqi’s refused to roll over and play dead & the corporations increased the price of gas THEN the greedy Americans started thinking different & some started to get scared. Now Once Again your new leaders are promising you new wars, Congratulations America, seems that your War Based economy will be in Wars perpetually. Bravo America, Way to go!

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By cyrena, August 4, 2007 at 6:13 am Link to this comment

#92035 by Frank Cajon on 8/03 at 5:22 pm

•  Non Credo, I just blog here occasionally. I realize you are not one of the fringe who place Israelis in the 9/11 planes, but several of the Truthdig emphatically do.

Frank, I would take issue with the descriptive, that “several” of the Truthdig (posters) emphatically put Israelis in the 9/11 planes. I think there is less than a handful, because most of us are pretty rational, and so we are inclined to believe that 15 of the 19 of them were Saudis, or at least from places real close by. At least that’s all we really have to believe right now. There is no proof or even reasonable speculation, that it was suicide Israeli terrorists as opposed to suicide Arab Islamic terrorists. No proof either way, so we mostly don’t engage in that. For the most part on these posts, we stick with discussing the things we can actually see with our own eyes, and generally by way of tracing the money, and reading the documents.

So, that’s what the criticisms of Israel are based on, and none of us is so foolish as to not put Israel and the current Cabal in power, on the same “side” of the blame. The Israelis and the US Cabal are as firmly joined to Israel on one side of their hips as they are to the Saudis on the other. 

•  I think that the arming of Islamic states which routinely attack Israel and neighboring Islamic states is a mistake. I oppose war in all its forms, so I oppose war makers, and that includes not just Israel, high up the list, but Syria, Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and the Palestinian leadership and terror factions.

Here again, you have this troubling habit of lumping all of these countries together, even though they aren’t all even in the same location or geopolitical proximity to each other, nor are their conflicts with Israel even the same.

Moreover, there is no evidence of “Islamic states routinely attacking Israel and/or neighboring Islamic States.” That starts sounding like ideological propaganda.

•  Blaming it all on one side is the easy way out. Bush/Cheney may be in bed with the Israelis, but it’s a bed big enough to hold his Saudi buddies, too. A fact not one of the degreed people on this board will admit.

Here’s the deal on this, I haven’t seen any of the regular “reasonable/logical/rational posters at this site, make any claim that any specific problem in the Middle East was all on “one side”. That’s really much too blanket a statement, to try to get out of calling on those responsible, to actually be accountable. That’s what’s “too easy”. It means only making the connections that you want to make, and ignoring the significance of related connections.

To elaborate, no one that I’ve seen posted here has EVER “denied” the Saudi connection to US affairs, or to their influence in the region. Not ever that I have read. No one has ever made the least bit of an “apology” for America’s Kingdom of Saudi Arabia on this site, and I would venture to guess that some of the posters here may not even be aware of the bed-hopping arrangements that this particular Dick Bush Regime has maintained with the Saudis as well as the Israelis, or that the current Saudi Arabia, (which is really only as old as the current Israel) is, above and beyond all else, AMERICAN MADE, and by these same “team” of architects.
(an excellent book on this is: “America’s Kingdom: Mythmaking on the Saudi Oil Frontier”.  Author- Robert Vitalis. I highly recommend it.

•  Bush has a classic Axis I Paranoid Personality Disorder… at times appears to be a Paranoid Schizophrenic, WTF, am I the only one that has seen one before?)

NO. We’ve seen this before. Several folks have noted it over an extended period of time, and at this same site. We know he’s an anti-social, paranoid-schitzo, socio-path, with all of the attendant criminal behaviors. The bottom line though is that YES…we DO know the mthr fckr is CRAZY, and yes, it is of MAJOR concern!!!

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By Steve, August 4, 2007 at 6:05 am Link to this comment
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Non Credo#92122 wrote: “If Bush “hates Israel and hates Jews”, then we can only conclude that the Israeli government “hates Israel and hates Jews.”

That’s possible, of course.”


It’s not only possible Non Credo, it is true!

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By Richard Steven Hack, August 4, 2007 at 5:16 am Link to this comment
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What people don’t understand is that the huge arms deals are intended to buy Saudi and Israeli complicity (the latter does not need much in any event) in an attempt to expand the war in the Middle East by attacking Iran.

The Saudis are not that worried about Iran’s military capabilities that they need these new armaments. They also don’t care about the supposed Iranian “nuclear weapons program” which they understand does not exist. But they are concerned about the US attacking Iran and throwing the entire Middle East into chaos.

So the US tells them, “Okay, here’s what we’ll do. We’ll take Iranian oil off the market by seizing Khuzestan, devastate Iran’s economy by saturation bombing, and your oil will be worth more, plus we’ll give you tons of arms.”

For the Israelis, of course, it as even easier. They WANT the US to attack Iran. But the US needs an excuse. So they go to Israel and say, “YOU attack Iran. Then when Iran retaliates against you AND us, we will take over from there. And by the way, here’s another $30 billion in arms so you can take down Syria and Lebanon, too, while we’re busy with Iran.”

The coming war in the Middle East is a done deal. These arms deals seal it. It will take place sometime between now and next year’s US elections - probably by spring of next year.

Bush intends to “bomb Iraq - and the Republicans problems with Iraq - off the front pages” by widening the war.

The neocons and Zionists in the US and Israel intend to go for broke and take out all their enemies - Syria, Lebanon, and Iran - all in one shot.

The result will be an unmitigated disaster.

Israel will attack Syria, seize Damascus, then cut left and come in on Hizballah’s flank in the Bekaa Vallye. Israel will then be bogged down by the effective Hizballah guerrillas while what is left of Syria’s military uses guerrilla tactics against Israel’s rear.

The US, in turn, will find itself bogged down in Iraq as Shia militias in league with Iranian Revolutionary Guards - thousands of whom are allegedly already in Iraq - cut the US supply lines from Kuwait, eliminating our army’s food, water, ammunition and fuel.

In an attempt to curb Iranian incursions - allegedly, the real reason of course is to seize the oil - the US will invade Iran in a ground war, attempting to seize the oil fields in Khuzestan, directly across the Iraq border. This will result in the US running into the exact same guerrilla tactics used by Hizballah so effectively against Israel last year.

Meanwhile, China, cut off from Iranian oil and gas, will dump the US dollar, disrupting the US economy already devastated by $10-20/gallon gasoline prices due to the Iranian cut off of oil shipments.

Then terrorists will start blowing up car bombs in Times Square during rush hour and suicide bombers will blow themselves up on your transit station during your commute. A few of these, and what’s left of the US Constitution will be retired under “emergency legislation” supported equally by Republicans and Democrats.

The bottom line: the US and Israel will be bled to death militarily, economically, and geopolitically over the next ten years.

It’s a done deal, folks. And there’s nothing you can do to stop it.

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By Howard, August 4, 2007 at 4:59 am Link to this comment
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Some commentators here have repeated the canard about racism in Israel. In truth, Israel is perhaps the most racially and ethnically diverse and tolerant country in the world.  More than half of Israel’s Jewish population consists of people of color—blacks from Ethopia and Yemen, as well as brown-skinned people from Morocco, Iran, Syria, Egypt and Israel itself.  In addition, Israel’s populaton includes more than one million Arabs, who enjoy the same civil rights as Jewish Israelis,.  In Israel hate speech is banned, and it is against the law to discriminate based on race or religion,

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By weather, August 4, 2007 at 4:16 am Link to this comment

Israel is a self-inflicted wound

No friends just resentments, acrimony, distrust and hate. Good job Israel and just think, you’ve no one to thank but your very sad selves.

For all that Israel has they remain spiritually impoverished. Humility eludes you and denial is your drug of choice. The fact that this exhausting screenplay is going into 3000th production is evidence enough.

While this sustained pathology is an indeliably Israeli charecter defect - its infected America now too and that is criminal. But keep lying to yourselves Israel, its what you do best.

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By Robert, August 3, 2007 at 10:23 pm Link to this comment

WATCH GW BUSH COMMENTS REGARDING “A FREE IRAQ”.

“A FREE IRAQ WILL HELP SECURE….???”

WHICH COUNTRY?

YOU MAY HAVE GUESSED IT.

“A FREE IRAQ WILL HELP SECURE ISRAEL”

http://xrl.us/vp2r-video-Bush

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By Frank Cajon, August 3, 2007 at 6:22 pm Link to this comment

Non Credo, I just blog here occasionally. I realize you are not one of the fringe who place Israelis in the 9/11 planes, but several of the Truthdig emphatically do. And, yes, in other threads, it has been put out there that they intend to preemptively nuke Iran and probably Syria. There are fringe posters on here whose blogs are as neo-Nazi as any thing on the NSM board, which is fine, it’s not my board, I just think it’s kind of a paradox, since I think Bush, Cheney, and Rove are closet Nazis and don’t see many apologists for them, like I saw on the last board I was on, which considered me a leftist hell-raiser.
I think that the arming of Israel by the US is a mistake. I think that the arming of Islamic states which routinely attack Israel and neighboring Islamic states is a mistake. I oppose war in all its forms, so I oppose war makers, and that includes not just Israel, high up the list, but Syria, Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and the Palestinian leadership and terror factions. Blaming it all on one side is the easy way out. Bush/Cheney may be in bed with the Israelis, but it’s a bed big enough to hold his Saudi buddies, too. A fact not one of the degreed people on this board will admit. (Also, interesting, I have yet to see anyone else with Psychiatric training posit that Bush has a classic Axis I Paranoid Personality Disorder as defined in the DSM and at times appears to be a Paranoid Schizophrenic, WTF, am I the only one that has seen one before?)
BTW, the neocon religious right is a big problem for me, and the way they have infiltrated the political process. It is best left for another thread, but not all of these Creationist zealots are Zionist pawns and yet they bought themselves a Party, a President, and have tried to in no subtle way erase the distinction between church and state-as the soon to be seen decision throwing out Roe vs Wade will show.

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By atheo, August 3, 2007 at 5:44 pm Link to this comment

Osama bin Laden:
A dead nemesis perpetuated by the US government

Osama bin Laden is dead. The news first came from sources in Afghanistan and Pakistan almost six months ago: the fugitive died in December [2001] and was buried in the mountains of southeast Afghanistan. Pakistan’s president, Pervez Musharraf, echoed the information. The remnants of Osama’s gang, however, have mostly stayed silent, either to keep Osama’s ghost alive or because they have no means of communication. 
With an ego the size of Mount Everest, Osama bin Laden would not have, could not have, remained silent for so long if he were still alive. He always liked to take credit even for things he had nothing to do with. Would he remain silent for nine months and not trumpet his own survival? [New York Times. July 11, 2002]


Bin Laden has often been reported to be in poor health. Some accounts claim that he is suffering from Hepatitis C, and can expect to live for only two more years. According to Le Figaro, last year [2000] he ordered a mobile dialysis machine to be delivered to his base at Kandahar in Afghanistan. [Guardian]
 


Pakistan’s Musharraf: Bin Laden probably dead

Pakistan’s president says he thinks Osama bin Laden is most likely dead because the suspected terrorist has been unable to get treatment for his kidney disease.

[A Bush administration official] said U.S. intelligence is that bin Laden needs dialysis every three days and “it is fairly obvious that that could be an issue when you are running from place to place, and facing the idea of needing to generate electricity in a mountain hideout.” [CNN]

Renal dialysis—talking about hemodialysis—is something that really is reserved for patients in end-stage renal failure. That means their kidneys have just completely shut down. The most common cause of something like that would be something like diabetes and hypertension. Once that’s happened, if you’re separated from your dialysis machine—and incidentally, dialysis machines require electricity, they’re going to require clean water, they’re going to require a sterile setting—infection is a huge risk with that. If you don’t have all those things and a functioning dialysis machine, it’s unlikely that you’d survive beyond several days or a week at the most. [CNN]


Karzai: bin Laden ‘probably’ dead

Osama bin Laden is “probably” dead, but former Taliban leader Mullah Omar is alive, Afghan President Hamid Karzai has said. [CNN]

FBI: Bin Laden ‘probably’ dead

The US Federal Bureau of Investigation’s counter-terrorism chief, Dale Watson, says he thinks Osama bin Laden is “probably” dead. [BBC]

Magazine runs what it calls bin Laden’s will

The editor-in-chief of a London-based Arab news magazine said a purported will it published Saturday was written late last year [2001] by Osama bin Laden, and shows “he’s dying or he’s going to die soon.” [CNN]

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osama_dead.html

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By the 1Sgt, August 3, 2007 at 5:32 pm Link to this comment

#92015 by Non Credo on 8/03 at 3:29 pm
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heed the wise advice that George Washington gave us in his farewell address. Are you familiar with this document, 1Sgt?
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Absolutely! I have been quoting from the farewell address for many years now. This is the predicament we find ourselves, because America has not guarded her democracy and we have not lived by the way of life we espouse as a “democracy”.

It always amazes me just how many people don’t know about our own history. Our ancestors came here to GET AWAY from the ways of Europe’s perpetual wars and their consequences.

Yes, when a NUKE detonates here, America will NUKE Pakistan to oblivion, where bin laden is hiding.

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By Douglas Chalmers, August 3, 2007 at 5:11 pm Link to this comment

#92010 by the 1Sgt on 8/03 at 2:50 pm: “KILL all the Arabs in retribution? So Israel can have that piece of dirt? for that, the whole world needs to live in turmoil? I don’t think so. WAKE UP AMERICA…”

Since Obama made that stupid statement about Pakistan, this has become really serious (again). Screaming about “3,000 Americans lost their live” six years ago is virtually identical today to Bush’s “you’re either with us or against us” malicious ravings.

Add this week’s “we wouldn’t use nukes on Pakistan if we attacked” by Obama and there is a dangerous permissiveness about it all. As PAKISTAN IS A NUCLEAR power, you can be damn sure that the opposite would inevitably quickly become the case!!!

WAKE UP AMERICA - this is heading for an end game!!! If the Democrats have a loose cannon like Obama, the Republicans are winning all the way. Neocons win - game, set and match! Better watch out!!! Loose talk about Hillary is one thing but this guy is now a threat…....

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By the 1Sgt, August 3, 2007 at 3:50 pm Link to this comment

#91986 by Non Credo on 8/03 at 10:37 am
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Sometimes I get so tired of having to over-explain things.

PLEASE don’t make me explain all this AGAIN every time I say that this agenda is “for Israel”.
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It has always been PRETTY DARN CLEAR to me, even though I did not want to admit it, when I first started looking at this subject. One cannot believe their eyes, even with proof laid out in front of them.

We in the anti-war for Israel community are PRO-AMERICAN, not ANTI-Israel. That’s the difference, but the ignorant want to call us neo-nazis.

Criticism of US policy FAVORING ISRAEL or simple criticism of Israel’s policy of subjecting Palestinian Arabs to Apartheid-like policies gets automatic calls of anti-semetisism.

The bottom line is many people are scared of being called racist, anti-semetic for simply stating an opinion.

The other matter here is the fact many people are simply BRAINWASHED into believing Israel is OWED an existence through US FUNDS, wars for their defense and general protection in PERPETUITY because of the Holocaust and them being Gods chosen people, even though they are condemned to hell as long as they don’t accept Jesus Christ.

Believe it or not, it is OK to ask why these Arabs attacked us.

It has ALOT to do with our support of Israel, over the years, with over 100 BILLION and armaments that are used to kill Arabs.

Now, here we are giving them ANOTHER 30 BILLION over 10 years.

Will we be surprised when these Arab maniacs detonate a NUKE in our country, and kill hundreds of thousands?

What will we do then?

KILL all the Arabs in retribution?

So Israel can have that piece of dirt?

for that, the whole world needs to live in turmoil?

I don’t think so.

WAKE UP AMERICA

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By Robert, August 3, 2007 at 3:28 pm Link to this comment

PALESTINE IS STILL THE ISSUE

Documentary directed by John Pilger regarding the Palestine / Israel conflict. This documentary has to be seen and is important in understanding the most important issue of the Middle East.
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THIS IS REALLY A GREAT DOCUMENTARY REGARDING THE PALESTINIANS AND A GROUP OF COURAGEOUS ISRAELIS UNITED & STRUGGLING AGAINST ISRAEL’S BRUTAL OCCUPATION.

For this video Please Link:

http://www.spiderednews.com/Videos/62446.htm

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By Goffredo, August 3, 2007 at 10:58 am Link to this comment

Sepharad,

Two words:

1) Sabra

2) Shatila

We need to seriously reconsider who we support.  It’s affecting our health.

http://thefederalistpapers2007.blogspot.com

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By Goffredo, August 3, 2007 at 10:53 am Link to this comment

Sepharad,

Two words:

1) Sabra

2) Shatila

We seriously need to reconsider who we support.  It’s affecting our health. 

http://thefederalistpapers2007.blogspot.com

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By atheo, August 3, 2007 at 10:02 am Link to this comment

Sepharad,

Your post 91853 is abhorrently racist and supremicist, it’s just plain disgusting. For the non-Jewish world, Israel is the unsavory society. You seem blind to it’s barbaric racism due to your own supremicism. You regurgitate zionist nonsense:

“For the record,... American and Western interests usually coincide with Israel’s interests”

Try informing yourself:

- Cost of Israel to the US http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/1209/p16s01-wmgn.html

- “Israel secretly maintains a large and active intelligence-gathering operation in the United States that has long attempted to recruit U.S. officials as spies and to procure classified documents, U.S. government officials said.”  Los Angeles Times, 3 September 2004

- Jewish Groups To Challenge Ethics Reform, By Nathan Guttman, Forward http://www.forward.com/articles/jewish-groups-to-challenge-ethics-reform/

Another canard you present is that Israelis aren’t behind the current wars in the M.E. Educate yourself:

January 26, 1998 Letter by leading Zionists and neoconservatives asking US to attack Iraq and change its regime http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm

“Groups Push For Sanctions, Fear US Will Falter on Iran,” By Ori Nir, Forward - Sep 1, 2006 issue
http://www.forward.com/articles/groups-push-for-sanctions-fear-us-will-falter-on/

“Why would Iraq attack America or use nuclear weapons against us? I’ll tell you what I think the real threat and actually has been since 1990 - it’s the threat against Israel… And this is the threat that dare not speak its name, because the Europeans don’t care deeply about that threat, I will tell you frankly. And the American government doesn’t want to lean too hard on it rhetorically, because it is not a popular sell.” Pentagon Defense Intelligence Board Member Philip Zeikow, 10 September 2002
Contrary to Chomsky, the US has no interest in supporting Israel http://www.voltairenet.org/article143635.html

Challenging the power of the Israeli lobby: what should be done http://canadiandimension.com/articles/2006/09/27/676/

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By Inference, August 3, 2007 at 7:13 am Link to this comment
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“The Circle of madness” - Mr. Scheer characterized what is going on in the world correctly. Israel is the primary force behind the vortex of madness circling the globe and “madly-in-love” America maneuvers close behind her husband, unwittingly encouraging Israel to effect his narrative beliefs
and disgusting offensive stratagems by providing the billions of dollars of “Aid” which make Israel’s ethnic (in the name of God of course) cleansing of the hapless Palestinians possible and then upholding and endorsing Israel’s crimes against humanity by protecting him in the UN and annulling any actions and all resolutions some of the saner nations in the world wanted to initiate through the UN in order to stop the madness and the crimes against the Palestinians years ago. (Just think how much better world history might have turned out to be had America allowed the UN resolutions to be adopted instead of killing them!) If America and England really want to stop “the circle of madness” some time soon, all they have to do is to end their unconditional, totally unjustified support and
commitment to Israel. But because American and England are Israel’s main accomplices and leading providers they too are guilty of a lot of the crimes against humanity in the Middle East. So America/England cannot by themselves break “the circle of madness” circumventing the globe. Only Israel, by repenting saying “Sorry, we did a lot of bad things to you” and then giving back to the Palestinian people the land they stole, can peace be achieved in the Middle East and then throughout the world. And only when America and England take their own turn apologizing for their immoral (crazy) actions can a real and lasting peace be achieved and “the circle of madness” stopped. If America, England and Israel apologize (like Germany apologized and continues to apologize yearly) and then augment their apology with a just compensation (just like the Jewish people were compensated for the crimes committed by Germany against innocent them) can (and should) a “just” peace materialize. Only when truth, humbleness holiness righteousness and a begging of forgiveness (“for all the immoral things we have done”) can “the circle of madness” be slowed down and eventually stopped and a real peace exist in the world. But can Israel or America (and Britain) do that? Do they really want true peace and harmony in the world? Is there as much money in peace and harmony as there is in war and strife and hate? I don’t think so.  America and Britain had at one time had leaders who were genuinely inclined towards righteousness and true peace throughout the world but they were in the minority and, for the most part,  have disappeared from the political scene and been replaced by capitalists. The Jews have always considered themselves a “righteous” people but have never been able to practice “righteousness” unconditionally - that is without expecting something (like reverence and adoration) in return.

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By Douglas Chalmers, August 3, 2007 at 6:07 am Link to this comment

#91905 by Howard on 8/03 at 3:58 am” “...BiG Cheers for Israel. Little tiny country that some commentators here can’t dislike enough here. But no words on the implacable enemies who surround them and who are fixated on their destruction.
........Top Arab leadership does not want the hand of Peace that Israel has offered for decades. ........Look at Lebanon, at one time the ‘Switzerland’ of the area and bothered no one until the Syrians got in there and then bring in Hezbollah as their agents….”

Do you even know what you are talking about, Howard? Some of the people who comment here have been to these countries - and some have come from them. You merely prattle on about what you have been fed in the news media by your political masters, wherever you come from.

People here have genuinely informed views and do not wish to be distracted by drivel. You are welcome to be pro-Jewish or pro-Israeli but try reading Haaretz online before you start at least, please. You might also search some of the Arab and Iranian news websites.

For a start, go back to the 1970’s 80’s when Lebanon tore itself apart before you start spruiking on about where it is today. It really sounds as if you are on the stuff…. Then there are the children whoa are the victims of Israeli oppression - in their own land! http://poetryforpalestine.spaces.live.com/

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By Howard, August 3, 2007 at 4:58 am Link to this comment
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5 BiG Cheers for Israel. Little tiny country that some commentators here can’t dislike enough here. But no words on the implacable enemies who surround them and who are fixated on their destruction.
Top Arab leadership does not want the hand of Peace that Israel has offered for decades.  Why?  They’d be embarrased if the Pals became the ‘Switzerland’ of the Mid East. The despotic undemocratic leadership does all it can to continue the strife so they can misled their own people with an imagined enemy. Look at Lebanon, at one time the ‘Switzerland’ of the area and bothered no one until the Syrians got in there and then bring in Hezbollah as their agents.

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By the 1Sgt, August 3, 2007 at 3:40 am Link to this comment

#91322 by weather on 8/01 at 3:09 am
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Welcome to Israel

A political state by day, a religious state for tax purposes, an extradition-free refuge for its citizens who commit crimes elsewhere, but always the exhausting, manipulating and misunderstood victim that demands to be treated as the exception and always at the expense of others. Nice legacy.
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The above statement says it all. Well done weather.

The Saudi deal is yet another masterful coup by the MiC. The Saudis are very insecure people, especially the monarchy. They are also very liberal with their money. If you haven’t been there it is hard to explain. These people don’t know the value of hard earned money and actually have the buying concept backwards. In other words, they buy things in reverse need or without concept of use in relation to value.

You see this pattern everywhere you go in Saudi Arabia. For example, they will build military bases, complete with roads, housing, shopping centers, gas stations, aircraft maintenance hangars, extra long runways, large stadiums, mosques, etc, bases much larger than our own largest bases around the world—Yet, they will not have enough military people to occupy the very same base.

But, hey, they can say they have bases. That’s important huh?

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By cyrena, August 3, 2007 at 3:32 am Link to this comment

Douglas,

Actually, it was New Zealand that was attempting to purchase one of those airports I caught, just in a short blurb.

There is another good piece on truthout, addressing these financial end-times for Wall Street and other similar entities.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/073007H.shtml

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By Douglas Chalmers, August 3, 2007 at 2:49 am Link to this comment

#91890 by cyrena on 8/03 at 12:57 am: “you’re on the mark with Austraila ....Sad, that means I have to scratch the Aussies off of my list of escape destinations….”

They’re also heading for the same infrastructure problems, cyrena, and for the same stupid reasons. They have a better social security structure because they have less state debt but they still have the smae housing bubble fantasies so they will suffer soon too with their own housing crisis.

So much for going along with a Neocon agenda and the same stupid economic policies. They are one of the fantasy currencies in the yen carry trade which has been unwinding seriosuly this week. New Zealand could be even worse when the crunch finally comes - this week’s financial saga on Wall Street was only the first squeeze.

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By cyrena, August 3, 2007 at 1:57 am Link to this comment

#91883 by Douglas Chalmers on 8/02 at 11:52 pm

Douglas, you’re on the mark with Austraila. They have really moved full speed ahead in their recent acquisition attempts for many “properties” in the middle east. (Like an airport or two, though I can’t remember which ones right now).

Anyway, Cheney and Howard have had these arrangements for a long time. Sad, that means I have to scratch the Aussies off of my list of escape destinations.

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By Douglas Chalmers, August 3, 2007 at 12:52 am Link to this comment

#91794 by Howard on 8/02 at 4:20 pm (Unregistered commenter): “...4 Big cheers for Israel. Only mid-east democracy to be a first line of defense in the fight against the Islamo -Terorrists ...!”

What a joke! Specify exactly what Israel has done. Expansion into a neighboring country and repressing an ethnic/religious minority in its own country. If you can spell ‘democracy’, Howard, you surely haven’t a clue what it means.

Is this Australia’s right-wing “PM Howard” speaking, by the way? Of course, Israel is a nuclear weapons power and has its own nuclear reactor. Australia has recently been leading the charge in promoting a return to wholesale use of nuclear energy - as well as eventually covertly arming itself with nuclear weapons.

A typical Israeli ploy by wedging the other ethnic and religious peoples in the region. Likewise, Australia is attempting to do something similar in the SW Pacific/SE asia region - all with the ‘friendly’ backing of the USA. Another miserable “joint strike fighter” partner in crime.

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By Robert, August 2, 2007 at 11:50 pm Link to this comment

9/11 THE ISRAELI CONNECTION

Britt Humes & Carl Cameron report on Israel’s 9/11 connection and Israel’s spying on the U.S.

Has anyone seen Carl Cameron lately…since his reporting on the Israeli connection with 9/11?

Just wondering what happened to him?

Here are 3 video links regarding above: One is 9 minutes, the other is 19 minutes and the 3rd is 8.5 minutes long.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWpWc_suPWo


http://www.veoh.com/videos/v552406rYaXEFgw


Watch Tony Snow reporting on Israel’s 9/11 connection:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PavYG4Cg8DA&mode=related&search;=

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By Sepharad, August 2, 2007 at 11:44 pm Link to this comment
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For Cyrena & Weather, forgot the #s but not the ideas:

Cyrena, African Americans can, if they like, go back to Africa (which at the moment is probably not a good idea in most places with the exception of Benin and a few other areas). French Americans can go back to France, Germans to Germany, Italians to Italy, Poles to Poland ... so why not Jews to Judea and Israel, if need be? It’s an outrageous lie, unworthy of even you, to accuse Israel of genocide: Israel is not committing, never has committed, and never will commit genocide. Other Arabs have killed many many many more Palestinians than Israel would ever even think about, e.g. King Hussein of Jordan turned his Bedouins lose on Palestinians living (at his invitation) in Jordan because they kept shooting at Israel and trying to involve Jordan (which country is, in fact, 3/4 of the Brit’s Palestine Mandate). Driven from Jordan they fled to Lebanon, where (according to the Lebanese) they fomented a civil war, and now the Lebanese army is currently invading Palestinian refugee camps to beat down Islamists who may or may not be Palestinians. And Syria’s Assad-pere massacred 25,000 mainly because they weren’t Alawites. More importantly, of the 700-800,000 Palestinian refugees from the ‘48 war (when the Arab countries attacked Israel, not the other way around), some were driven out by the Israelis but many more fled as the mufti of Jerusalem ordered them to, lest they be caught in the crossfire. At war’s end, Ben Gurion declared that those Palestinians who’d left could come back in the next six months but after that no more, “because we won’t know who you are.” The King of Jordan took the West Bank, but also invited any Palestinians who had been driven from or fled Israel to become citizens in his country. Not a single other Arab leader offered the refugees a place in the huge, wealthy Arab world. After the war all the Arab countries did, however, expel all the Jews living in those countries, confiscating their houses and businesses, 900,000 people, and every last one of them was taken in by Israel, not quite as big as New Jersey and not a single oil well to help pay for it. Don’t you people ever look at a map? Don’t you ever wonder why most Arabs living in Israel don’t want to live elsewhere? Or, why the Druse and Bedouin are so loyal to Israel that they join the IDF? For Jewish Israelis IDF service is compulsory but any Arab who wants to join can, and a hell of a lot of them do. (Sharon, whom Weather dismisses in his uniquely crass way, made sure that his sons served under Druse officers.) Don’t you wonder why the “racist” Israelis are bringing in as many Ethiopian Jews as quickly as they can with more on a waiting list? Peruvian Jews? There are 6 million people in Israel, 4 million of them are Jews of all colors and ethnicity, the other 2 million being Arabs, non-Jewish Russians, Chinese, and a whole assortment of Christians. There are Arabs in the Knesset, the Israeli Supreme Court often rules against the government as it did yesterday, insisting that the barrier wall near Hebron be torn down as it was preventing Palestinian herdsmen from moving their animals. Of course Israel is not pristine and perfect and a shining Zionist star that is infallible—but its human rights record is a lot better than most Arab countries, or Persians, come to that. There are moderate Muslim countries that are loyal allies to Israel, by the way, though for obvious reasons they don’t advertise it.

Weather, most of your arguments are pure drivel but I do agree with you on one thing: Benjamin Netanyahu would be a major disaster as prime minister. He’s too religious, too right-wing and completely lacking in judgment with an ego that invariably overwhelms his self-control. I hope Tzipi Livni gets the job.

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By Frank Cajon, August 2, 2007 at 10:37 pm Link to this comment

Somebody tell Kevin 91645 that this board isn’t an anti-BushCheney board, it is an anti Zionist/Israeli board. What does he think he is doing staying on topic about Bush/Cheney selling weapons to Saudis? Hey, Kev, three things I have learned are basics here on Truthdig that are the same on Neo Nazi boards:
1) There is an international Zionist conspiracy that controls the worlds wealth and banking system, which they are using to somehow do things like fund the 9/11 attacks, and steal from the White Christians who are the folks that God intended the Earth for,
2) The jets in the 9/11 attacks were flown by Mossad agents who falsely planted info to make it appear the work of Al Queda cells,
3) The Jews (that’s what the Neo Nazi’s call them, here they are called Zionists) plan to a preemptively nuking of the entire Arab Middle East but somehow not damaging any Israelis, because the Jews somehow stand to gain from turning these countries into nuclear wastelands. Welcome to Truthdig, Kevin, where there is no middle ground, you can’t criticize the Saudis, or Islamic extremists without hearing the same tired rhetoric, but you can say things about Israelis and Jews that would probably border on hate crime if you wrote it on a sign with impunity. I have no support here, because I side neither with the Israeli/Zionists or the Islamic radicals, and call for action against our fascist government only to hear a chorus of Old Left anti-Israel hate from intelligent people that don’t have any answer for dealing with our fascist leaders who arm not only the bloodthirsty Israelis but their suicide bombing enemies like giving toys to tots.

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By Sepharad, August 2, 2007 at 8:59 pm Link to this comment
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Re Non Credo #91651—Sorry to disappoint you, Non Credo, but I wasn’t using “host” in the scientific context so “parasite” doesn’t follow. In the social context where, yes, “guest” isn’t an awful word but not accurate (in my case anyway): a mere “guest” has no stake in the longterm welfare of the country in question. I on the other hand continue to think the U.S. has the potential to be the last best hope (mainly because so many different cultures are able to coexist without killing each other and for the most part some economic stability is present). It’s extremely important to preserving those traditions that work so well. I’m a historian and journalist, but also a former civil rights activist (voter registration in the South back in the day) and lobbyist for passage of the Freedom of Information Act. But history is history. My grandfather once said that any Jew still in Germany by 1938 demonstrated the applicability of Darwinism to the human species. And I’ve read enough in this and other threads to continue to value the “haven” concept and why not? If you don’t think Europe is based on tribalism and nationalism you haven’t been paying attention. The difference between Euros and Arabs is that the Europeans can be reasoned with because their social structures and infrastructures are functional. If you don’t believe me read that great old Arab historian Ibn Khaldun, or ask a secular Arab living in a non-Arab country.  Oh—fyi,I’m a secular Jew—Jewishness is a matter of peoplehood, not the grotesquely contortioned construct you describe, though like everyone else we have serious problems with our own fundamentalists, as Ariel Sharon the atheist would have been the first to admit.

If you truly “believe nothing” (as “Non Credo” implies), why do you assume so much based on so little a thing as the word “host”?

For the record, as this may be where you were heading though I can’t be sure, American and Western interests usually coincide with Israel’s interests, with the exception of the fact that Israel has no oil. (Not that oil is that great, considering global warming and all that, but until there’s an alternative fuel everyone’s going to be doing the Oil-based Two-step with some pretty unsavory societies.) When America does something as crazy as invading Iraq instead of pursuing its real enemies elsewhere, it sure as hell is not in Israel’s interests, and if you really want to freak out an Israeli start talking about targeting Iran. Israel’s greatest national resource is its brainpower. E.g., Becca Solomon at U. of Tel Aviv has discovered what seems likely to be not only a way to retard but also reverse the damage wrought in the brain by Alzheimer’s patients. A country able to produce as many scientists as Israel does while holding off what can only be called the forces of primitive ignorance is not only unique but desirable. In a rational world, that is. The Palestinians are being screwed over royally by other Arab countries which could have absorbed the 700-800,000 refugees from the ‘48 war. After they failed to drive the Jews into the sea, the Arab countries kicked out 900,000 Jews who were also refugees but were taken in by Israel, at that point much smaller than the state of New Jersey, and without a fountain of oil money to play with.

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By atheo, August 2, 2007 at 8:49 pm Link to this comment

Israel, the worlds primary terrorists.

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By Copy|paste Important info, August 2, 2007 at 7:13 pm Link to this comment
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God Help Humanity against the American-Zionist attack, i know that iraq, iran & others will Survive the Zionist attack . Good Luck to All Honest Americans!

ZIONISTS:Ones who believe they are the “only” humans(God’s"Chosen ones”)& rest is “Trash” to be consumed / used. MODUSOPERENDI:start as business and bilk the populations while laying down Organisations that are for (fake)trade & “our protection” whose actual purpose is surveillance & Harrassement of “nonZIONIST”. they keep screaming “Hitler’s holocaust, Hitler’s holocaust” while they been doing WORSE since 1948 in their Fanatic Fantasyland called Isreal aka “shitty little state”, armed with 300 nuclear bombs that they dont want to talk about.(these are peaceful people!lol) GOAL: creation of some nutty global empire based on pureness of “Chosen Ones” ENEMIES: anyone that does not Comply with them or their propaganda (is also branded an
Antisemite & thoroughly harassed) NETWORK: global and very developed, a well oiled machine bent on EVIL. FEARS: “EVERYBODY is out to get us because we are GOOD!” this is the typical brainwash and then they
WHITEWASH real issues with PATRIOTIC LIES. Also intresting to note that Mr Vanunu who stated the true state of Israeli Nukes rots in jails since 2 decades for speaking the truth, hence we can safely conclude
that TRUTH is definately not a passion in Israel.  GOODLUCK!

an interesting list from a few years ago…

By Charley Reese

The Orlando Sentinel

Q: Which country alone in the Middle East has nuclear weapons?
Answer: Israel.
Q: Which country in the Middle East refuses to sign the nuclear non-proliferation treaty and bars international inspections?
A: Israel.
Q: What American ally in the Middle East has for years sent assassins into other countries to kill its political enemies (a practice sometimes called exporting terrorism)?
A: Israel.
Q: In which country in the Middle East have high-ranking military officers admitted publicly that unarmed prisoners of war were executed?
A: Israel.
Q: What country in the Middle East refuses to prosecute its soldiers who have acknowledged executing prisoners of war?
A: Israel.
Q: What country in the Middle East created 762,000 refugees and refuses to allow them to return to their homes, farms and businesses?
A: Israel.
Q: What country in the Middle East refuses to pay compensation to people whose land, bank accounts and businesses it confiscated?
A: Israel.
Q: In what country in the Middle East did the man who ordered the assassination of a high-ranking U.N. diplomat become prime minister?
A: Israel.
Q: What country in the Middle East blew up an American diplomatic facility in Egypt and attacked a U.S. ship in international waters, killing 33 and wounding 177 American sailors?
A: Israel.
Q: What country in the Middle East employed a spy, Jonathan Pollard, to steal classified documents and then gave some of them to the Soviet Union?
A: Israel.
Q: What country at first denied any official connection to Pollard, then voted to make him a citizen and has continuously demanded that the American president grant Pollard a full pardon?
A: Israel.
Q: Which country in the Middle East is in defiance of 69 United Nations Security Council resolutions and has been protected from 29 more by U.S. vetoes?
A: Israel.
Q: Which country in the Middle East has Attacked the US twice in known false flag operations (not including 911) the Lavon Affair and the USS Liberty attack?
A: Israel.
Q: Which country Spied on the US multiple times with the Pollad scandal, the ADL (1993 during the first WTC bombing) the Art Students, and AIPAC?
A:  Israel .
Q: We have laws restricting the activities of foreign lobbies, and requiring that all foreign lobbies register as agents of foreign governments. But what is the only foreign country whose lobby - the most powerful foreign lobby in Washington - doesn’t have to register as an agent of a foreign government or abide by the restrictions on foreign lobbies?”
A: Israel.

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By Howard, August 2, 2007 at 5:20 pm Link to this comment
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4 Big cheers for Israel. Only mid-east democracy to be a first line of defense in the fight against the Islamo -Terorrists !

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By Douglas Chalmers, August 2, 2007 at 4:45 pm Link to this comment

#91645 by Kevin on 8/02 at 5:49 am: “...Yes, we have a fantastic plan. Let’s sell our Saudi friends who managed to take out 3000 civilians on 9/11 some weapons. They do deserve to be rewarded…”

$20 billon worth of box-cutters, eh? Wasn’t Bush screaming to exterminate them after 9/11? So, how did the US military only make it as far as Afghanistan, then? Oh, they are a royal family (just like the Bushes!) and they are our friends.

So, the White House didn’t have a ‘policy’ on Saudi oil back then. Suddenly decided to use the remote mountains of Afghanistan as a bombing practice range. Use up all those old bombs pretending to kill terrorists in non-existent caves, ha ha!


#91686 by Marmost on 8/02 at 8:03 am: “...Just think how much Bush would settle down if he’d just come out….”

Come out from want, duh? A cave??? “Washington man”, Marmost…!

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By Greg Bacon, August 2, 2007 at 3:55 pm Link to this comment

Hey, President Bush, we’ve got a country here that has WMD’s; has several hundred nuclear weapons; has been caught numerous times in acts of terrorism and has repeatedly invaded and is threatening to invade again it’s neighboring states and is practicing mass genocide on the residents of a country it has occupied.

So, the U.S. is going to send B-2 bombers, cruise missiles and the 82nd Ariborne Division to snuff out this menance to mankind, right?

Oops, BTW, the country is Israel. What’s that, Mr. Bush?

Can’t do that, you say? Israel is our friend, you say?

With a friend like Israel in the ME, who needs enemies?

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By atheo, August 2, 2007 at 3:06 pm Link to this comment

Zionist lies that preceded Scheer’s:

...at 09:40 on 9-11 it was reported that the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine claimed responsibility for the attacks (31). This claim was immediately denied by the DFLP leader Qais abu Leila who said it had always opposed “terror attacks on civilian targets, especially outside the occupied territories.” (32)

9-11 CNN streamed RealVideo item mentioning a Palestinian claim of responsibility

Why would a Palestinian organisation comprising of less than 500 people (33) make the suicidal move of immediately claiming responsibility for the attacks?

Sharon and the other Israeli leaders aspire to fulfill what the goals of the political Zionist movement have been since its origin a century ago: to turn all of historic Palestine into an exclusively Jewish state. A central tenet of the Zionist ideology is expressed in the racist slogan, “A land without people for a people without a land.” (34)

The implication of Palestinians in the 9-11 attacks would have handed Zionists a golden opportunity to achieve the above because all Palestinians would have been labelled terrorists.

Updated compilation of evidence linking Israel to 9/11:

http://nworeport.blogspot.com/2007/07/five-dancing-israelis-arrested-on-911.html

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By cyrena, August 2, 2007 at 2:58 pm Link to this comment

atheo,

Thanks for the clarification. I agree. I don’t think they’d consider such a thing today.

And, I can’t think of any other race/group/creed/etc, etc, that would consider it either. Israel is alone with that mentality, but the amount of misery it’s created for the rest of the world cannot be measured. It never ceases to amaze me.

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By dick, August 2, 2007 at 2:27 pm Link to this comment
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Insanity abounds in Washington? I don’t think so. The power elite are brilliant, crafty,hypocritical,etc, and most of all—-in control. They eagerly approve of continuous war, it being very profitable for them in every way.

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By atheo, August 2, 2007 at 1:20 pm Link to this comment

cyrena,
Noncredo’s post refers to Israel as a racist Jews only state.
While American Blacks became settler colonists in Liberia in the mid 19th century, I doubt that they would consider such a dispicable act today. Yet American Jews persist in supporting Israel, a similar entity.
Perhaps history will show Israel to be as idiotic a concept as Liberia.

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By cyrena, August 2, 2007 at 12:54 pm Link to this comment

#91685 by atheo on 8/02 at 8:02 am

•  #91651 by Non Credo (excellent reply, well stated, do African Americans have to commit genocide in order to have a potential refuge? Any other minorities pursuing the same racist agenda?)
Atheo, I’m trying to connect your question with Non Credo’s reply. (just because I’m curious myself). Who would African Americans commit genocide AGAINST, in order to have a potential “refuge”. I mean, we’re not talking about black folks here in the US committing genocide against the white folks, are we? (I don’t recommend genocide under any circumstances, so this is purely academic, just trying to follow the path of the original comment by Non Credo).

Meantime, there IS the on-going genocide of millions of African-Africans. I’m always at a loss for what to call the horrors of Rwanda, and Darfur, when we see what is genocide or ethnic cleansing within the same groups of people, all of whom are black and African. Do we call it genocide, or do we call it fratricide, or what? I should know, since I think there is a “technical” sort of difference.

Still, even looking there for a parallel, doesn’t lead me any closer to an answer for your own question. Thing is, historically speaking, African-AMERICANS have rarely shown the sort of overwhelming need or desire to wipe out another group or class, or race of people, (here in America) in order to have a potential refuge. They’ve had “insurgencies” over the years, as a response to the oppression, slaery, etc, but I don’t know who they would commit genocide against at this point. Maybe that would have worked 200 plus years ago, when they were first kidnapped and brought over here, since at that point, they outnumbered the white folks. But, I can’t see that happening now.

Yet, there is still no refuge for them. I can’t think of any other minority group that would be motivated to genocide for that reason either. But, maybe I’m missing something here. Let me know.

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By R. M., August 2, 2007 at 12:35 pm Link to this comment
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The Saudis are NOT our friends.  If you wish to be scared straight on the issue, visit http://www.memritv.org

That’s the middle east media research institute.
Try clip # 1322 and see an interview with Mecca’s executioner.  The commentators seem to reveare him as some sort of celebrity.

Then use “women” as a search term for other interesting depraved opinions.
You can watch their Mickey Mouse get martyred…
The Iranian cartoons are particularly sickening.

I love my cars but I wish the oil would dry up tomorrow.  It will eventually.  Sadly, we will probably owe them our spacious skies and amber waves of grain by the time it does.

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By L. Gordon, August 2, 2007 at 11:55 am Link to this comment
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Might as well have Halliburton start building the gas chambers now so all of us who don’t share Bush et. al. “dream” may be eliminated now.

If we accept this (arming of Saudi), the above is a logical next step in the very near future.

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By P. T., August 2, 2007 at 11:22 am Link to this comment

For excellent information on Zionist collaboration with the Nazis, click http://www.counterpunch.org/brenner1223.html

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By Marmost, August 2, 2007 at 9:03 am Link to this comment
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Just think how much Bush would settle down if he’d just come out.

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By atheo, August 2, 2007 at 9:02 am Link to this comment

Noncredo,

“But I don’t know any liberal Democrats who sing the praises of Big Oil or the military/industrial complex.”

I can name a few: Diane Feinstein and Patrick Kennedy, these and many others represent the interests of major pentagon contractors in their districts. It’s their bread and butter.

#91651 by Non Credo (excellent reply, well stated, do African Americans have to commit genocide in order to have a potential refuge? Any other minorities pursuing the same racist agenda?)

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By Howard, August 2, 2007 at 8:20 am Link to this comment
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3 cheers for Israel.  First line of defense against the Islamo-Terrorists !

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By Kevin, August 2, 2007 at 6:49 am Link to this comment
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Yes, we have a fantastic plan. Let’s sell our Saudi friends who managed to take out 3000 civilians on 9/11 some weapons. They do deserve to be rewarded you know. Then lets give our Israeli friends just a few more weapons than our good Saudi friends. Then, let’s give our old Egyptian friends a few trinkets too.
Now, of course our Saudi friends will need some practice with these weapons before they use them on Iran or Israel, so let’s leave our military personnel in Iraq for them to practice killing. Of course, they should at least try to take out our big warships that are getting old in the gulf so we can order some new ones. That will give us the excuse to bomb Iran if we haven’t found any other excuses.
This will help our economy back here because we need people to build new warships and replace buildings like the towers. Unemployment will stay low and the population will remain in check or maybe even get smaller.
I’m the Decider and I have foreseen these things:
King George the 2nd!

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By cyrena, August 2, 2007 at 5:06 am Link to this comment

91599 by blog dog on 8/01 at 11:22 pm

•  RE: #91580 by Lefty on 8/01 at 9:34 pm — “Islamist, Fundamentalist, Propagandist, Arab, Trolls aka BIFPAT…”
====== proof enough, Lefty…you are lilmamzer and Inherit the Wind, aka: the most profligate troll working Truthdig these days — mission only to start a brawl wherever you go — now before you throw “Dogshit” at me again, as per your scatological fixation, I take great pleasure in outing you as a PHILISTINE BLEEDING SOD-ASS useful tool to the New World Oligarchy!  Now go call your handler for your next assignment. Your cover is blown here.
========Blog Dog, I’m glad you noticed, that they are apparently one and the same.

Odd how easily he/she sticks out no matter what identity s/he’s using on any given day, or in any given post. Cover was blown long ago…at least around here. There are a few others that are highly suspect as well.

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By weather, August 2, 2007 at 4:02 am Link to this comment

Sepharad, may Israel flourish, just not at the remarkably arrogant and manipulating expense of everyone else.

Rabin was killed for a reason, now look what you got:a bloated bag of toxic karma in the faux comatose Sharon -
and if he were not contemptable enough there’s always Netanyahu, who w/a face like a foot and an ego that shows-up on Doppler radar is the icon of pernicious deceit.
Ask Rabin’s widow and Family how Ben the Ugly couldn’t even look her in the eye at her husband’s funeral.

Remember this today when you’re breaking your arm patting yourself on the back about how wonderful you want us to think Israel is. Know down deep in your DNA, the political state of Israel is a Global disgrace, a liability, a taker - for Israel more is Never enough and it shows. You fix it, NOT our problem.

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By plenum, August 2, 2007 at 3:49 am Link to this comment
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Is anybody else working on a lyrics re-writeof Don McCleans’s “American Pie” song?—Such that it’s “Bye-Bye Dem-o-cracy…”? 

I can’t seem to get the lyrics to fit satisfactorily.  Any collaborative effort will be considered.

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By cyrena, August 2, 2007 at 1:05 am Link to this comment

#91423 by Counselor1 on 8/01 at 11:02 am

•  Bush recently made an Admiral theatre commander in the whole Gulf, and now an Admiral as Chief of the Joint Chiefs. I believe there are currently as many as 3 U.S. carrier task forces in the Gulf area.

You’re right on the money here Counselor. It’s Admiral Fallon, and he was incorporated into the “surge” operation, as far back as last December, when they were putting it all together. That’s about the same time that they dispatched the second aircraft carrier, and have since dispatched a third. So, there are nine U.S. warships in the Persian Gulf now, including the 3 aircraft carriers.

Needless to point out I suppose, this took some planning that has to have been in the works for quite some time. Meantime, Admiral Fallon has already made one of the many trips over to Iraq, to “chat” with Maliki about these “benchmarks”, the primary one of course being the Hydrocarbon Law. That was maybe six weeks ago, and of course only one of a series of these in-person meetings with Maliki over the past 6 months. Now of course, that government has as much as broken down, which proves that it makes little sense to beat a dead horse.

Unfortunately, that doesn’t fit in with the standard logic of the Cabal in D.C.

Meantime, it probably does make sense to keep in mind that none of this happened overnight, so the “surge” was really a long planned escalation, to the ultimate goal.

They decided it was time for the “brute force” option.

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By Sepharad, August 2, 2007 at 12:52 am Link to this comment
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Lefty—My hat is off to you: how can you stand continually trying to hold back the tides of ignorance that sweep in flotsam such as Robert’s & others’ assertions re a villainous Jewish Zionist spy who cleverly disguises himself with the name “John Israel” ... re 9/11 jet jockeys actually dupes of Mossad or CIA or Shrub himself ... re the feats of the all-powerful American Jewish lobby (Sharon urged Bush to NOT invade Iraq because the WMDs were long since moved to Syria; Israelis freaked out when Cheney announced on some talk show or other that he expected they’d nuke Iranian nuke projects; and Israeli experts are not exactly delighted with the new tech offered to the Saudi whores)... or the “Israeli Torture Template” (when elite Israeli interrogators emphasize the all-important psychological techniques that take time—figuring out and playing to a subject’s every desire, fear, self image and vulnerability). That said, I think Bush/Cheney Inc. is trashing America’s Constitution; crushing the middle-class and ignoring the poor while Shrub’s “base”—the superrich—gets ever richer; and throwing away America’s reputation with both hands. But anyone who thinks Bush/Cheney are doing this for Israel is really deluded: think about it. How much oil does Israel have? Nada. What have ALL the damned Western wars and colonizations of the Near/Middle East been about? OIL. Sure, American Jews want to guarantee Israel’s survival: Jews have to have a place to go when their host countries go crazy and start scapegoating again. Our trust in European countries proved to be misguided and, not being death-embracing Moslems, we are not so stupid as to assume that our tenure and safety in the U.S. or anywhere else is a given. The Americans have a saying that “Home is where you go when nobody else wants you.” Israel has been our people’s home for 3,000 years, though we’ve had voluntary and involuntary sojourns elsewhere. It’s ahistoric to deny that Jewish roots are in Judea as well as Israel.

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By blog dog, August 2, 2007 at 12:22 am Link to this comment

RE: #91580 by Lefty on 8/01 at 9:34 pm — “Islamist, Fundamentalist, Propagandist, Arab, Trolls aka BIFPAT…”

====== proof enough, Lefty…you are lilmamzer and Inherit the Wind, aka: the most profligate troll working Truthdig these days — mission only to start a brawl wherever you go — now before you throw “Dogshit” at me again, as per your scatological fixation, I take great pleasure in outing you as a PHILISTINE BLEEDING SOD-ASS useful tool to the New World Oligarchy!  Now go call your handler for your next assignment. Your cover is blown here.

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By Frank Cajon, August 1, 2007 at 11:27 pm Link to this comment

Lefty and Atheo: I have stated my position, you have stated yours. Atheo, nice list, want to see if one of Arab terrorist attrocities is longer? My position-just as long. They are the yin and yang of what is wrong with our world. I don’t like to live in the past but a short list of US casualties probably would include hundreds killed in the barracks explosion in Lebanon and the USS Cole, but I’m not interested in chat rooming with people who are turning every fucking thread on this board into the same boring crusade. If you can believe that Israel owns the Bush/Cheney Reich any more than Saudi Arabia, no rational discourse is going to change your mind anyway.
Lefty, While I buy that there are about 20 hijackers on here that can’t writea sentence without the words ‘Zionist Conspiracy’ in it, I have tried for three and half decades to take the middle ground. This has been difficult, I was very anti-Israel in many of the discussions on a previous board though I feel they and anyone else have a right to defend themselves if attacked, and I include Palestinians in areas settled by them when I say that, and I support a negotiated Palestinian state in the Gaza and West Bank with much more international pressure on Israel regarding human rights issues. The ledger of bloodshed on both sides of this equation is long and neither side has shown the rest of the world that they are in the right. The election of Hamas representatives to power in the Palestinian government was absolute insanity, and the recent developments in the Gaza only show that the Hamas is just a bunch of proxy assassins working for Iran to kill Israelis and other Palestinians. Some government to elect.
I will say this, two years ago, a neo Nazi blogsite I ran across had this all figured out, especially the Israeli agents in the 9/11 planes (the same site now requires you to register, I won’t). This thread is about Bush/Cheney Reich selling to both sides of the ideological war in the middle east, like placing cover bets in a horse race, not about any Zionist conspiracy. The US has been selling arms to Israel and to Egypt, UAE, Saudi Arabia, and other ‘allies’ in the Islamic ME for years. That is the death business. Why isn’t it just as much an ‘Islamic Conspiracy?’.

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By atheo, August 1, 2007 at 10:32 pm Link to this comment

an interesting list from a few years ago…

By Charley Reese

The Orlando Sentinel

Question: Which country alone in the Middle East has nuclear weapons?

Answer: Israel.

Q: Which country in the Middle East refuses to sign the nuclear non-proliferation treaty and bars international inspections?

A: Israel.

Q: Which country in the Middle East seized the sovereign territory of other nations by military force and continues to occupy it in defiance of United Nations Security Council resolutions?

A: Israel.

Q: Which country in the Middle East routinely violates the international borders of another sovereign state with warplanes and artillery and naval gunfire?

A: Israel.

Q: What American ally in the Middle East has for years sent assassins into other countries to kill its political enemies (a practice sometimes called exporting terrorism)?

A: Israel.

Q: In which country in the Middle East have high-ranking military officers admitted publicly that unarmed prisoners of war were executed?

A: Israel.

Q: What country in the Middle East refuses to prosecute its soldiers who have acknowledged executing prisoners of war?

A: Israel.

Q: What country in the Middle East created 762,000 refugees and refuses to allow them to return to their homes, farms and businesses? A: Israel.

Q: What country in the Middle East refuses to pay compensation to people whose land, bank accounts and businesses it confiscated?

A: Israel.

Q: In what country in the Middle East was a high-ranking United Nations diplomat assassinated?

A: Israel.

Q: In what country in the Middle East did the man who ordered the assassination of a high-ranking U.N. diplomat become prime minister?

A: Israel.

Q: What country in the Middle East blew up an American diplomatic facility in Egypt and attacked a U.S. ship in international waters, killing 33 and wounding 177 American sailors?

A: Israel.

Q: What country in the Middle East employed a spy, Jonathan Pollard, to steal classified documents and then gave some of them to the Soviet Union?

A: Israel.

Q: What country at first denied any official connection to Pollard, then voted to make him a citizen and has continuously demanded that the American president grant Pollard a full pardon?

A: Israel.

Q: What country on Planet Earth has the second most powerful lobby in the United States, according to a recent Fortune magazine survey of Washington insiders?

A: Israel.

Q: Which country in the Middle East is in defiance of 69 United Nations Security Council resolutions and has been protected from 29 more by U.S. vetoes?

A: Israel.

Q: What country is the United States threatening to bomb because “U.N. Security Council resolutions must be obeyed?”

A: Israel’s enemy du juer.

and a few add-ons…

Q: Which country in the Middle East has Attacked the US twice in known false flag operations (not including 911) the Lavon Affair and the USS Liberty attack?

A: Israel.

Q: Which country Spied on the US multiple times with the Pollad scandal, the ADL (1993 during the first WTC bombing) the Art Students, and AIPAC?

A:  Israel .

Q: We have laws restricting the activities of foreign lobbies, and requiring that all foreign lobbies register as agents of foreign governments. But what is the only foreign country whose lobby - the most powerful foreign lobby in Washington - doesn’t have to register as an agent of a foreign government or abide by the restrictions on foreign lobbies?”

A: Israel.

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By atheo, August 1, 2007 at 10:15 pm Link to this comment

Frank Cajon,

Do explain your bizzare theory, how does instability benefit the Saudi regime or Musharaf for that matter?

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By Frank Cajon, August 1, 2007 at 9:15 pm Link to this comment

This board continues to intrigue me with it’s single-minded preoccupation with anti-‘Zionism’ to the exclusion of all the other fucked-up problems with the current US Fourth Reich and international politics. Nearly 2 years ago, when I was blogging on another board, I first saw the assinine proposal that Mossad agents rather than Saudi/Islamic fuckups hijacked the planes on 9/11. It was in the blog section of the National Socialist Movements’ board-and big stretches of some of the threads on Truthdig resemble it still. Have any of you people figured out a strategy for how to explain the world we live in that might involve a bunch of Saudis jacking those jets? While I am an avowed Socialist my very conservative wife of 34 years has one solution to the entire world’s problems: ‘We should bomb Saudi Arabia off the map’.

The Bush/Cheney Reich is in the death business. And business is good. Israel, which has put every bullet to maximimum effect for 60 years as a top consumer, continues to be a big customer. Never know when they might need to turn Southern Lebanon to rubble again. Saudi Arabia, one of the richest countries per capita on Earth has the US fight all of its wars, simply must have $20 billion in jets and bombs, so that Bush/Cheney Reich feels a little less bad about them teaching their school kids that Americans are the enemy and turning out Ben Ladens. And so that they can tacitly be the facilitator for Iranian arming of Palestianian terrorists. Oh, for Godsend and the other anti-Zionists: the neighboring Islamic countries and Palestinian terrorist leadership are EVERY BIT as responsible for the deplorable conditions over there as the shoot-first, don’t bother to ask question Israelis. They are both itching to get at one another’s throats and have been for 60 years. it takes two sides to make a fight. Deal with it.
 
I have said it before about the ME: the Saudis are the enemy. The Pakistanis are the enemy. These bastards are every bit as opposed to US interests and stability in that area as Iran and any force in Iraq (except Hussein, but we did away with him).  Bush/Cheny Reich is playing death dealer to both sides of this powderkeg by trying to make their US arms dealer supporters even richer by selling weapons of mass destruction in a sort of nauseating irony. My biggest concern is that the next step will be the arming of Blackwater and other civilian contractors with big firepower for ground ops in the event that Bush/Cheney Reich decide that Congress is a threat to national security and that elections give comfort to our enemies.

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By Dan Uu Noel, August 1, 2007 at 8:54 pm Link to this comment

Robert Scheer correctly exposes the futility of this additional package of federal military aid to Saudi Arabia, Israel and Egypt. But he misses a few important points:
1) the basis of our current silly “war on terror” is the 9/11 farce, which was largely orchestrated by the federal government and probably pre-authorized by president Bush;
2) the voters whose opinion really matters here are not the U.S. voters, but Israeli voters, since congressional policy on Israel essentially replicates the wishes of whoever happens to be Israeli prime minister;
3) Egypt, Israel and Saudi Arabia can be fully trusted to use some of their military aid to violate domestic or international human rights.

Love,

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By Howard, August 1, 2007 at 8:51 pm Link to this comment
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Israel is tiny country with only six million inhabitants ( a millon of whom are Arabs).  It is surrounded by 22 Arab countries, with 300 million people.  Arab propaganda has convinced the world that Israel is the mighty Goliath compared to the puny Arab States.  It is a supreme irony that six million Isrelis, surrounded by implacable enemies who are fixated on their destruction, are considered a mortal danger to the Muslims and to the peace of the world.  and that, if it wre not for Israel and for the Jews, peace would descend upon the world and terror would cease.
Israel is not the root cause of this strife and turmoil in the Middle East.  Violence and war are endemic in Arab society and in Arab history Israel was not involved in the death of the millions who perished in the Iraq-Iran war.  Israel certainly has nothng to do with the slaughter in Iraq, in which on an average day,100 people or more are killed in the deadly and never-ending Sunni-Shiite conflict. Arab-Muslims killed over a million of black Christians and animists in the Sudan and brought intolerable suffering to that region.  The Sudanese government, dominated by Arab-Muslims, hasn’t lifted a finger to help its citizens.  Israel is certainly notinvolved in that.
  Israel can use help, especialy if we’re going to give so much ’ help ’ to Saudi Arabia.

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By Goffredo, August 1, 2007 at 6:34 pm Link to this comment

Check this out:

http://thefederalistpapers2007.blogspot.com

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By P. T., August 1, 2007 at 6:32 pm Link to this comment

ISRAEL TO GIVE HOLOCAUST SURVIVORS TWENTY DOLLARS

Click http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2007-07-31-israel-holocaust_N.htm?csp=34

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By P. T., August 1, 2007 at 6:04 pm Link to this comment

Having upset the Saudi Arabian regime by replacing Sunni power with Shia power in Iraq, Bush now is throwing the Saudis a bone.

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By atheo, August 1, 2007 at 4:25 pm Link to this comment

While there is no possibility that the Israeli Occupied Congress will not approve this appropriation, it is nevertheless important that members of Congress begin to hear from an outraged citizenry that those who continue to put Israel’s interests above those of their American constituents will be considered as foreign agents who have broken their oath to defend the US Constitution. While it is important to attack this latest giveaway on its merits, it is time to raise the stakes.-Jeffrey Blankfort

>From the US Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation


Take Action: Oppose $30 Billion Military Aid Package to Israel


Recent media reports suggest that the United States and Israel will sign in August a ten-year agreement for $30 billion in U.S. military aid to Israel.  Full details of the package have yet to emerge; however, it is reported to include a new generation of F-35 fighter jets, advanced bombs, and laser-guided missiles.


This military aid package, amounting to $3 billion per year, represents a 25% increase over the current U.S. annual military aid appropriation to Israel of $2.4 billion.  Israel is already the largest recipient of U.S. military aid before the proposed increase.


The US Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation opposes this proposed increase in military aid to Israel.  Instead of increasing military aid to Israel, the US Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation calls on the Bush Administration and Congress to sanction Israel by cutting off military aid to it for its continued violations of the U.S. Arms Export Control Act and U.S. Foreign Assistance Acts.


Take action today and send a similar message to your elected officials by clicking here.


The U.S. Arms Export Control Act prohibits foreign countries from using U.S. weapons against civilians or civilian infrastructure and limits their use to “legitimate self-defense” or for “internal security.”  The U.S. Foreign Assistance Act states that “No assistance may be provided under this part [of the law] to the government of any country which engages in a consistent pattern of gross violations of internationally recognized human rights”.


Rather than use U.S. military aid for “legitimate self-defense” or “internal security”, Israel relies upon it to prosecute its illegal 40-year old foreign military occupation of the Palestinian West Bank, East Jerusalem, and Gaza Strip. “Gross violations of internationally recognized human rights” against Palestinians living under Israel’s illegal military occupation have been well-documented by numerous Palestinian, Israeli, U.S., and international human rights organizations, as well as by the U.S. government. 

During Israel’s attacks last summer upon civilians and civilian infrastructure in the Gaza Strip and Lebanon, the US Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation documented many instances of Israel using U.S. weapons in violation of U.S. law and demanded that the Bush Administration and Congress hold Israel accountable for these violations of law.  For additional details, click here.


Thanks in part to your demand for accountability, the State Department in January 2007 sent a top-secret report to Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi and Senator Joe Biden, Chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, claiming that Israel may have violated the U.S. Arms Export Control Act by indiscriminately dropping cluster munitions in civilian areas in Lebanon during last year’s war.  A final report with definitive conclusions has not yet been issued.

The Bush Administration and Congress make a mockery of the rule of law by supporting an increase in military aid to Israel even before the government’s own investigation of Israel’s prior violations of the U.S. Arms Export Control is completed.


Please take a moment to contact your elected representatives today and urge them to oppose an increase in military aid to Israel and to sanction Israel by cutting off military aid for its prior violations of U.S. law.

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By blog dog, August 1, 2007 at 4:18 pm Link to this comment

Saudi petrodollars and abundant arms (rows of fighter jets) - please gentlemen, you know the global war of terror is planned into infinity and as Kissinger put it: “useless feeders” are simply cluttering up the world - we’re all being sold the rope with which to hang ourselves, moreover we’re being taxed to produce it - all this schismatic fussing is planned as well - this site is now a virtual convention of provocateurs - to the New World Oligarchy we’re all cannon fodder.

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By atheo, August 1, 2007 at 4:11 pm Link to this comment

MOSSAD ASSET PREDICTS NEXT US TERROR ATTACK
This so-called “terror expert”, Juval Aviv, seems to know a lot. First, he states that U.S. mass transport will be hit, then he makes this statement:

” What they’re going to do is hit six, seven or eight cities simultaneously to show sophistication and really hit the public. This time, which is the message of the day, it will not only be big cities. They’re going to try to hit rural America. They want to send a message to rural America: “You’re not protected. If you figured out that if you just move out of New York and move to Montana or to Pittsburgh, you’re not immune. We’re going [to] get you wherever we can and it’s easier there than in New York.”

What mass transit facilities are they going to hit in Montana? The horse barns?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161962,00.html

From a story online in the Independent:

“And then there is the back story. Aviv’s press biography puts it like this: “Before founding Interfor, Mr Aviv served as an officer in the Israeli Defence Force (Major, retired), leading an elite commando/intelligence unit, and was later selected by the Israeli Secret Service (Mossad) to participate in a number of intelligence and special operations in many countries in the late 1960s and 1970s.”

http://news.independent.co.uk/people/profiles/article1180163.ece

The guy appears to be MOSSAD. The same bunch of terrorists that helped attack New York on 9/11, so he’s probably believable.

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By atheo, August 1, 2007 at 3:59 pm Link to this comment

Excellent deconstruction of Scheer nonsense Noncredo.
To take it a step further, what kind of idiots does he think he’s writing for. Who still believes that Arabs hijacked planes on 9/11. For Scheer to use these warmongering myths to agitate against Saudi Arabia exposes him as the zionist Israel firster that he is.
Scheer is actually just a slick version of lefty, note that they have the same BS.

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By sniperr, August 1, 2007 at 2:56 pm Link to this comment
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Wasn’t there something about Saudi petrodollars bailing out sorry georges ass(more than once) when he tried and failed to use his paternally acquired ivy league business acumen drilling dry well holes in texas?

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By hidden, August 1, 2007 at 2:54 pm Link to this comment

Wouldn’t this deal make us (U.S.) a puppet of Isreal?
So that saying is true that goes something like “A capitalist will sell you the rope to hang him with” by Lenin, and “A lie told often enough becomes truth” by, ofcourse, Lenin. How can capatalism work with Democrcy or vice versa? We wouldn’t know would we?

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By Douglas Chalmers, August 1, 2007 at 2:26 pm Link to this comment

#91467 by Non Credo on 8/01 at 1:16 pm: “...#91412 by Blutenhalbmond on 8/01 at 10:08 am - The Saudis actually do not even want the stuff. It is being thrust upon them. They have rows and rows of fighter planes…”

S.Arabia has already bought an incredible amount of arms from Britain. That is why Blair was so keen to join Bush in Iraq. The Brit. govt is totally under the influence of Saud and their aprliament had to make an embarrassing backdown over accusations of Saudi corruption over the years. BBC: Saudi prince got millions in arms deal http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2007-06-07-britain-saudi_N.htm

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