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Posted on Jul 24, 2007
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By Robert Scheer

At what point will President Bush finally grasp the enormous disaster that the neoconservatives, from Vice President Dick Cheney on down, have visited upon his presidency? Or, to put it numerically, just how does a president descend from a 92 percent approval rating one month after 9/11—the highest of any president since modern polling began—to the two-thirds disapproval score that has stalked him through the last year, thanks to the Iraq debacle, without getting the message?

Two major polls released this week show that the vast majority of Americans grasp the salient lesson of the Iraq misadventure: “Winning” this war has nothing to do with winning the war on terrorism. Thus, the public overwhelmingly supports the congressional Democratic leadership’s demand that the administration begin concrete steps to extract U.S. troops from Iraq. This week’s New York Times/CBS poll found that two-thirds of those polled said that the war is “going badly” and that “the United States should reduce its forces in Iraq, or remove them altogether.” Meanwhile, a Washington Post/ABC survey reported that, “by a large margin, Americans trust the Democrats rather than the president to find a solution to a conflict that remains enormously unpopular.”

According to the Post poll, more than six in 10 Americans want Congress to make the final decision about when our troops come home. Even a majority of Republicans judge Bush to be too rigid to change course and, significantly, among those who either served in Iraq or had a close friend or relative who did, only 38 percent approve of Bush’s handling of the war. In an important rebuke to those Democrat “centrists” afraid to vigorously challenge Bush on the war, about half of those polled criticized the Democrats for doing “too little” to challenge Bush’s war policy. How much courage will it take for wavering Democrats and Republicans to come out forthrightly in favor of ending a war that the majority of Americans believe is not worth fighting?

At first, the public, driven by false claims of Iraqi weapons of mass destruction and ties to al-Qaida manufactured by the neocon cabal that dominated the administration, bought into Bush’s claims that the Iraq war was an essential battle in the war on terrorism. At a time when even respectable news organizations were spreading such falsehoods as unquestioned truths and most Democrats in Congress displayed the independence of mind of cheerleaders, it was no wonder that initial support for the Iraq war was nearly unanimous. Fully 90 percent of Americans backed Bush one week after the first bombs fell in a “shock and awe” campaign that neocon ideologues at the Pentagon were convinced would lead a terrorized population to embrace democracy and other purported Western values.

As Winston Churchill once observed, a lie gets halfway around the world before the truth puts its pants on. But the truth eventually does catch up, and that is the specter that now haunts our president. There is simply no plausible national security argument for the United States’ ongoing occupation of Iraq. That fact was driven home Tuesday when American and Iranian negotiators met for the second time in Baghdad at the insistence of Iraq’s Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, who was quite clear that peace will not come without the Iranian government’s cooperation.

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The harsh reality that the United States must now enlist the support of Iran, the “rogue nation” that Bush claims threatens us with nukes, which this very week was once again accused by the U.S. ambassador of supplying arms to Iraq’s anti-American Shiite militias, underscores the folly of this disastrous escapade. The regime change engineered by the neocons vastly extended the power of the regime housed in Tehran and will only intensify with each additional day of the U.S. occupation.

Yet, communication with Iran is a good thing, because Iranians at least have to live with the consequences of increased violence—as opposed to American politicians, who feel required only to muddle through to the next election. The Democrats and the few Republican dissidents are quite happy to make a show of their reservations about the war without actually ending it. The Democratic leadership in Congress is playing a risky game of pretending to be the party of peace without actually pursuing the budget-cutting measures that would force an end to the war.

While this opportunistic strategy may produce a temporary political advantage, it will be of slight comfort to the families of American soldiers killed and maimed in Iraq over the next 18 months, not to mention the hundreds of thousands of future Iraqi victims. Nor will it con a public that has turned solidly against this war and is determined to hold politicians responsible for ending it.

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By straight_talk_11, August 4, 2007 at 9:11 pm Link to this comment

Although I am not a socialist, certainly not a Marxist, I believe strongly in fairness, economic, political, and social. The reason I believe Putin, Chavez, etc. get such bad press is that they are not in the loop, but on the contrary, represent barriers to the international oligarchy’s aim to rule the world. I’m married to a Latin American. I’ve lived in Latin America and Latins know what the word oligarchy means. Latin leaders know what’s really going on at the level of the international oligarchy, too, while most American’s have no clue. Putin understands this as well.

Even Castro, for whom I have no great admiration, was essentially forced into Soviet hands because it was either that or play along with the international oligarchy, the local brand against which he had fought a difficult but successful guerrilla war. Some even justify his heavy-handed dictatorship as the only way to guarantee against a coup organized against him at the international level. The same argument has been made for others like him.

I think there is at least an element of truth in this. It seems to me that it would indeed be very difficult to protect the goals for which such leaders fought from intrigue organized internationally with every conceivable technological and socio-political device available aimed at upsetting their applecart, with cost being no object. Of course, if you’ve been a victim of terrible personal injustice at the hands of such leaders as Castro, as many of our Cuban compatriots have been, this kind of thinking doesn’t go down easily.

Of course I agree that injustice is never justified. The words themselves make the irony clear. The means don’t justify the ends in my book. The world unfortunately doesn’t function according to this ideal, however.

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By Douglas Chalmers, August 2, 2007 at 3:50 pm Link to this comment

#91749 by DWAYNE on 8/02 at 12:52 pm: “...This President is completely out of touch with the WORLD, and how America should represent itself internationally.  His agenda is obvious (oil, and make his cronies rich & distract the nation while doing it) ......The sad part is, he knows that (his) congress will not impeach him or question his dictatorship control of our legislature.  Let alone will they (congress) address his belief that the law does not apply to him and his Executive Branch .......What goes around comes around and we Americans will eventually pay with another terrorist attack against us by homegrown or foreign groups.  I hope the world will forgive us for his short sighted behavior and illegal deeds….”

Maybe not another terrorist attack as a result, DWAYNE, or maybe, but no, the world will not forgive the USA. It can’t all be blamed on one person, either. Governments around the world are now working to end the “American century”. It’s simply all too expensive to continue with into the future.

Climate-change is the new imperative and investing in replacing and upgrading infrastructure is taking over from ridiculous military adventures as a means of profit-making. As far as the oil was concerned, though, that is making Russia and Nigeria and Venezuela rich in the meantime, too.

Maybe “congress will not impeach him or question his dictatorship” is coming to an end shortly too. At present, they are still their own worst problem, though. When they finally realise that screaming about Iraq or Iran is becoming increasingly irrelevant, it could already be too late, as you suggest.

Forever manufacturing reasons to divert peoples’ attention from problems at home instead of working diligently and conscientously to resolve them leaves everybody running out of time to be able to find and apply the necessary solutions. Hurricane Katrina was an example - and more will follow. The bridge collapse in Minnesota is another small symptom of a larger problem.

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By DWAYNE, August 2, 2007 at 1:52 pm Link to this comment
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This President is completely out of touch with the WORLD, and how America should represent itself internationally.  His agenda is obvious (oil, and make his cronies rich & distract the nation while doing it).  He could care less about polls or people.  He will say & do anything he wants and I mean anything.  The sad part is, he knows that (his) congress will not impeach him or question his dictatorship control of our legislature.  Let alone will they (congress) address his belief that the law does not apply to him and his Executive Branch. Congress was quick to allow him to trample our constitution, and is taking it’s sweet time in correcting (if ever) it’s mistakes.  I pray for our future and or children, because of the chaos and pain he promotes, and the legacy he will leave.  What goes around comes around and we Americans will eventually pay with another terrorist attack against us by homegrown or foreign groups.  I hope the world will forgive us for his short sighted behavior and illegal deeds.

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By straight_talk_11, July 30, 2007 at 9:11 pm Link to this comment

Re: #90784 by cyrena -

Thanks, Cyrena. It’s refreshing to know there are some level-headed, rational human beings left on the planet. I get pretty fed up sometimes with some of the ridiculous, indiscriminate reading and so-called reasoning concerning it that goes on in some of these comments. It’s pretty amazing sometimes…people with so-called education who have a lot of information stuffed in their heads with no real knowledge of even the most basic elements of how to process it for anything approaching reliably valid results.

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By Douglas Chalmers, July 30, 2007 at 9:19 am Link to this comment

#90759 by straight_talk_11 on 7/29 at 8:10 pm: “...What I said in your quote of my post stands on its own merit. I’m not defending what any body said ......objective reading of an article .....anything else is just “I said, you said” ......the post to which I’m responding. I choose to bow out of this stupidity and let others judge the merits of an utterly simple observation I made in the post you so unsuccessfully aspire to criticize…”

Oh, I see - you are a lawyer! Then, you do “have a profound intellectual problem” ...and a more basic and typical professional problem, duh.

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By cyrena, July 30, 2007 at 1:27 am Link to this comment

#90759 by straight_talk_11 on 7/29 at 8:10 pm

•  ….”I’m putting in a vote for objective reading of an article and the ability to discriminate between junk and integrity in journalism.”…

I ditto the above, since that’s what we’re trying to do here. And, I thank you straight_talk, for doing that. This is even better…

•  Yours is a more basic and typical human problem: you have a world view that you retrofit with heavy boots into whatever you read to make it confirm whatever you think. Most people do that. Even when your world view is correct, that sucks. It undercuts your credibility and confuses others who are equally inept at constructing an intelligent analysis

I say that because, MOST people do – do this. And, it has created tons of confusion. That’s why we have to keep the focus on the straight talk, and intellectual analysis.

And, we have to encourage each other to avoid doing what most people do – this retrofitting and re-writing of history, (or current facts) to fit whatever it is that we read elsewhere, or would prefer to believe, for whatever the reasons.

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By straight_talk_11, July 29, 2007 at 9:19 pm Link to this comment

Douglas Chalmers:

I refer you to #89615, my first post on this article, for a succinct summary of my political thoughts regarding the current administration and its agenda.

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By straight_talk_11, July 29, 2007 at 9:10 pm Link to this comment

Re: #90753 by Douglas Chalmers -

What I said in your quote of my post stands on its own merit. I’m not defending what any body said, Catholic or otherwise. I’m putting in a vote for objective reading of an article and the ability to discriminate between junk and integrity in journalism.

Anything else is just “I said, you said”, which is exactly what you’re promoting with the post to which I’m responding. I choose to bow out of this stupidity and let others judge the merits of an utterly simple observation I made in the post you so unsuccessfully aspire to criticize:

“...[the bishops] saying that if you’re going to violate our principles, then don’t kill it if it’s almost all human is vastly different from ‘calling’ for such a thing.”

If you really can’t tell the difference, then you have a profound intellectual problem, but I don’t think that’s really it. Yours is a more basic and typical human problem: you have a world view that you retrofit with heavy boots into whatever you read to make it confirm whatever you think. Most people do that. Even when your world view is correct, that sucks. It undercuts your credibility and confuses others who are equally inept at constructing an intelligent analysis.

I don’t think the ends justify the means, even when I agree with you. Regarding your apparent conclusions about my political leanings, either you haven’t read my other posts or your reading comprehension is even worse than I’ve given you credit for.

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By Douglas Chalmers, July 29, 2007 at 8:42 pm Link to this comment

#90740 by straight_talk_11 on 7/29 at 6:01 pm: “...You read it. I already read it. The headline is a goofball distortion, and your quote, completely out of context…”

You can’t seem to even handle it straight from the Catholic church’s website - and you have the temerity to call your self “straight_talk 2”. You obviously have an agenda to peddle and touting your approval or disapproval of particular commenters appears to be part of your MO.

My reason pertained to what games the Neocons and their Fascist friends around the world are scheming next. Obviously you don’t want to know - or don’t want anyone to know. Or, are you a Catholic as well as a GOP? The blogs here exist either with you or without you.

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By straight_talk_11, July 29, 2007 at 7:37 pm Link to this comment

Mike Mid-City re #90695:

Good post. I addressed the sincerity of Bush’s “religious” leanings, or lack of it, already in my post #89615. Add to that his one-time admission that he’s a member of the exclusive Skull and Bones Society, which every year holds a celebration with its roughly 800 members worldwide in which they simulate human sacrifice to Molech, an ancient mythological god to whom people sacrificed their children. I suppose that’s supposed to be all in fun, but I wonder how the religious right would view that if they could ever bring themselves to believe it about their wonderful paper doll president they practically idolize themselves because he’s for gun control, capital punishment, and against abortion.

It’s amazing to me that all one has to do to subvert our entire democracy is tell a bunch of fundamentalists that you’re one of them and agree with some of their pet issues.

Johnny Doughey re #89779:
I don’t think Bush’s sacrifice of his reputation is either intentional or martyrdom. He’s just doing what he was put in place to do. Neither those who put him there nor he have anything to lose in terms of reputation at this point and the “master” players don’t care about Bush’s reputation. They’re just going to go for their agenda no matter what unless we stop them by taking our government back. I just talked with a very smart information technology guy who works for Bank of America and he still believes there was a connection between Hussein and Al Qaeda. As long as enough of these smart but completely duped types are around, we’ve got problems.

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By straight_talk_11, July 29, 2007 at 7:01 pm Link to this comment

Douglas Chalmers;

You read it. I already read it. The headline is a goofball distortion, and your quote, completely out of context, is also a goofball distortion. I don’t like what they said either, but saying that if you’re going to violate our principles, then don’t kill it if it’s almost all human is vastly different from “calling” for such a thing. Their principles prohibit such a thing. Anybody who can read knows that. So the headline is grossly misleading, and if you don’t agree with that, your reading comprehension is nil and so is your ability to place things in proper context and discriminate cheap pulp news from news with some semblance of journalistic integrity.

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By Douglas Chalmers, July 29, 2007 at 2:32 pm Link to this comment

#90680 by blog dog on 7/29 at 1:10 pm: “==== It’s about way more than profits, commissions and kickbacks on arms sales — hyper-weaponizing the Middle East whilst the amount of terror surges lends massive support to the analysis pointing to a planned virtually endless Global War Of Terror and Global Torture Gulag, further terrorizing the entire world, designed to become so thoroughly terrorized, virtually everyone, everywhere is expected to fall on bended knee and beg the New World Oligarchy to “Keep the Peace” the world over…while forestalling the collapse of the perto-arms-drugs dollar….”

They still intend to keep the remaining Palestinian Arabs (and Christians) desperately suffering and under never-ending duress .....to show how awful they really are and how Israel must keep them pesky A-rabs under control. Check the poor children of Palestine http://poetryforpalestine.spaces.live.com/

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By Douglas Chalmers, July 29, 2007 at 2:22 pm Link to this comment

#90649 by Goffredo on 7/29 at 11:50 am: “...Frodo failed ....Bush has the ring….”

Yes, courtesy of the church, Goffredo. more like the Chimera, but ....Of The Rings of Power and the Third Age ......the War of the Last Alliance, in which Elves and Men…..

Arrested development!?!? .....in the Utopian state…... BRAVE NEW WORLD - Aldous Huxley (1932)

“Community, Identity, Stability” is the motto of Aldous Huxley’s utopian World State. Here everyone consumes daily grams of soma, to fight depression, babies are born in laboratories, and the most popular form of entertainment is a “Feelie” - a movie that stimulates the senses of sight, hearing, and touch. Though there is no violence and everyone is provided for, Bernard Marx feels something is missing and senses his relationship with a young woman has the potential to be much more than the confines of their existence allow. Huxley foreshadowed many of the practices and gadgets we take for granted today—let’s hope the sterility and absence of individuality he predicted aren’t yet to come…....

“I shall begin at the beginning,” said the D.H.C. and the more zealous students recorded his intention in their notebooks: Begin at the beginning. “These,” he waved his hand, “are the incubators.” And opening an insulated door he showed them racks upon racks of numbered test-tubes. “The week’s supply of ova. Kept,” he explained, “at blood heat; whereas the male gametes,” and here he opened another door, “they have to be kept at thirty-five instead of thirty-seven. Full blood heat sterilizes.”............

–“the operation undergone voluntarily for the good of Society, not to mention the fact that it carries a bonus amounting to six months’ salary”; “Bokanovsky’s Process,” repeated the Director, and the students underlined the words in their little notebooks. One egg, one embryo, one adult-normality. But a bokanovskified egg will bud, will proliferate, will divide. From eight to ninety-six buds, and every bud will grow into a perfectly formed embryo, and every embryo into a full-sized adult. Making ninety-six human beings grow where only one grew before. Progress. “Essentially,” the D.H.C. concluded, “bokanovskification consists of a series of arrests of development. We check the normal growth and, paradoxically enough, the egg responds by budding.”

“My good boy!” The Director wheeled sharply round on him. “Can’t you see? Can’t you see?” He raised a hand; his expression was solemn. “Bokanovsky’s Process is one of the major instruments of social stability!” “Ninety-six identical twins working ninety-six identical machines!” The voice was almost tremulous with enthusiasm. “You really know where you are. For the first time in history.” He quoted the planetary motto. “Community, Identity, Stability.” Grand words. “If we could bokanovskify indefinitely the whole problem would be solved.” Solved by standard Gammas, unvarying Deltas, uniform Epsilons. Millions of identical twins. The principle of mass production at last applied to biology….......... http://www.huxley.net/ and click pic for links

“Universal happiness keeps the wheels steadily turning; truth and beauty can’t….....” http://www.sparknotes.com/lit/bravenew/

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By blog dog, July 29, 2007 at 2:10 pm Link to this comment

RE: #90654 by Douglas Chalmers on 7/29 at 12:05 pm — $20-billion in arms sales to S.Arabia…$30-billion in arms (military aid for free) to Israel…$13-billion in the next decade for Egypt….”. Who is kidding who? Its all about the money!!!”

======= It’s about way more than profits, commissions and kickbacks on arms sales — hyper-weaponizing the Middle East whilst the amount of terror surges lends massive support to the analysis pointing to a planned virtually endless Global War Of Terror and Global Torture Gulag, further terrorizing the entire world, designed to become so thoroughly terrorized, virtually everyone, everywhere is expected to fall on bended knee and beg the New World Oligarchy to “Keep the Peace” the world over…while forestalling the collapse of the perto-arms-drugs dollar.

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By Douglas Chalmers, July 29, 2007 at 1:05 pm Link to this comment

#90604 by jbart on 7/29 at 8:03 am” “...His Presidential Legacy?? What a joke!!...”

Includes $20billion in arms sales to S.Arabia (on top of what they are buying from Britain yet accusing them of wanting to buy their the US’s evil products…... as well as $30billion in arms (military aid for free) to Israel to help them to “still have supremacy over the Arab states”. At the same time, Israel is mouthing that arming S.Arabia is helpful in deterring Iran!

Meanwhile “The United States also is preparing a package of military assistance worth some $13 billion in the next decade for Egypt….”. Who is kidding who? Its all about the money!!! http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSN28341491

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By Douglas Chalmers, July 29, 2007 at 12:52 pm Link to this comment

#90468 by straight_talk_11 on 7/28 at 3:07 pm: “...First, the headline is grossly misleading and the quote is not only taken totally out of context, but it itself is grossly misleading as well. This is like the end of a long gossip chain that ends up distorting the facts to the point of becoming unrecognizable. Read the rest and some of the more informed comments, to wit…”

Read it for yourself at the Catholic website online, ‘straight_talk_11’ - dodging the main issue, they agreed by default!

“...“In particular, it should not be a crime to transfer them, or other human embryos, to the body of the woman providing the ovum, in cases where a human ovum has been used to create them,” the bishops said…... However, they said, “at very least, embryos with a preponderance of human genes should be assumed to be embryonic human beings and should be treated accordingly,” they said…...” http://catholiconline.com/international/international_story.php?id=24515

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By Goffredo, July 29, 2007 at 12:50 pm Link to this comment

Frodo failed.

Bush has the ring.

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By jbart, July 29, 2007 at 9:03 am Link to this comment
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His Presidential Legacy?? What a joke!!  Unless SMU includes “the worst American President that ever served” in it’s planned GWB library, they are a sham calling itself a place of higher learning.

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By straight_talk_11, July 28, 2007 at 5:26 pm Link to this comment

the 1Sgt:

Yes, there will be. And yes, including GWB. He just does whatever some other idiot who is not completely inarticulate tells him to do.

There’s a dumb new quiz show on CBS called The Power of Ten, and in their ads one of the questions is:

“What percentage of Americans think they’re smarter than President Bush?”

They don’t give the answer in the ad, but I bet it’s pretty high and probably roughly correct.

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By the 1Sgt, July 28, 2007 at 4:23 pm Link to this comment

#90463 by cyrena on 7/28 at 2:42 pm
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There will however, always be dumb asses with degrees.

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Like GWB?

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By straight_talk_11, July 28, 2007 at 4:20 pm Link to this comment

Right again, Cyrena. I did not intend to denigrate all with advanced degrees. Obviously some did well, and must confess myself that I have an advanced degree. I just noticed, as have you, that the degree in itself doesn’t tell anything like the whole story. I had some real bozos for colleagues in graduate school and they graduated with high marks, their utter incompetence notwithstanding.

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By straight_talk_11, July 28, 2007 at 4:07 pm Link to this comment

“The Roman Catholic Church has called for women to be allowed to give birth to human-animal hybrids created in the laboratory ...”

- Douglas Chalmers quoting Timesonline

First, the headline is grossly misleading and the quote is not only taken totally out of context, but it itself is grossly misleading as well. This is like the end of a long gossip chain that ends up distorting the facts to the point of becoming unrecognizable. Read the rest and some of the more informed comments, to wit:

“The headline is misleading. The RCC still opposes *creating* these embryos - very strongly. But it has announced that if these embryos are created dispite [sic]its objections, then its anti-abortion views are still in effect, and the embryo should be carried to term rather than be discarded as medical waste…”
- Suricou Raven, London, London

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By cyrena, July 28, 2007 at 3:42 pm Link to this comment

Straight Talk,

I believe you on this.

*.....“he majority of PhD’s working to solve this problem attempted to solve it by TRIAL AND ERROR!!!!

And, that IS one way to learn some things…just NOT this problem.

I witness these same things all of the time, and I have to tell you, I live (and work) in a University environment, and I’m not even gonna tell you some of the stuff I see and hear. It would be terribly distressing.

On the other hand, we DO have some good thinkers around, and many others have great potential.

There will however, always be dumb asses with degrees.

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By straight_talk_11, July 28, 2007 at 2:48 pm Link to this comment

Quoting Cyrena:

“...there are some incredibly DUMB ASS people walking around, with advanced degrees of all flavors.”

Amen, sister!
: )

A PhD in cognitive psychology, a notable exception to the above quote from you, once told me something very interesting. She cited a study with a very large sample, solid experimental design, and strong statistical methods. It showed that something like 60% (I forget the exact percentage, but it was a significant majority) of PhD’s in this country had not advanced to Piaget’s highest level of cognitive development, the ability to employ abstract reasoning.

For example, they had to sort a set of rings of graduated size so that their shadows superimposed and only one shadow showed. The rings were initially ordered randomly on a horizontal bar with slots on the top side into which the rings snugly fit when hung on the bar. There was a small light at one end of the set of rings that projected through them onto the far wall to cast their shadows.

Since the light emanating from the source spread conically from its source to cast the shadows, the obvious solution was to place the smallest ring closest with the rest in order of size to the largest in the slot farthest from the source. The majority of PhD’s working to solve this problem attempted to solve it by TRIAL AND ERROR!!!!

Wow! That was just one example of the kind of problems they were asked to solve.

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By Douglas Chalmers, July 28, 2007 at 2:27 pm Link to this comment

#90317 by Inherit The Wind on 7/28 at 4:04 am: “...See, DogShit is a real nazi—as evil as Adolph Hitler.  He’s EXACTLY the same as the Taliban who will beat a woman to death if she slips and falls and her ankle shows.  That’s how DogShit thinks….”

Um, I think you need to go wash your mouth out, ITW ......or perhaps get religion after all.


#90335 by Skruff on 7/28 at 5:58 am: ‘...What clever political commentary. You folks must do a lot of reading…. I’m impressed….”

Gee, thanks for th support, Skruff - are you bagging me as well?


#90427 by Lefty on 7/28 at 12:01 pm: “...THE problem facing the world, is indeed the ‘rebellious house of Israel’, not Russia - and certainly not Muslims! ============= THE problem facing the world is the sickness of christianity and islam, two strains of the same pathology.  The sooner they are eradicated from the world, the better and happier the world will be.  Better, it would be entertaining to watch them eradicate each other.  Where IS that crusade Bush promised….?”

And I’m supposed to be anti-Jewish, huh? You seem to forget that there are three Abrahamic religions - that’s Judaism, Christianity and Islam. Again, that is as they are now practiced because Christianity was never an Abrahamic religion at its commencement. Jesus taught against Jewish doctrine and people neither understand that now or seem to want to. That’s how much of a usurped mess that particular religion has become.

In that case, then, you must be Catholic as well as GOP, Lefty, as the current German pope also wanted to start a crusade against Islam - or to assist Bush in his crusade. But Christians are not supposed to remember that now either. While you are at it, don’t forget that they have also endorsed human-animal hybrids as a new more easily manipulated race of slaves - Bush would just love that as the basis for his crusader armies:- “The Roman Catholic Church has called for women to be allowed to give birth to human-animal hybrids created in the laboratory .......Embryos injected with animal cells, or chimeras, should be treated as human beings where they have a preponderance of human genes, the bishops say in a sumbission to a Government committee…...” http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article1993579.ece

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By cyrena, July 28, 2007 at 2:05 pm Link to this comment

#90430 by straight_talk_11 on 7/28 at 12:07 pm
Straight Talk:

....“Even less do I find any correlation between the “power elite” and those with any credible indications of personal wisdom.”...

Thanks so much for your post. I thought I might add that your old teacher sounds like a few of my own favorites, including my now 84 year old dad. And, I’ve tried to incorporate the same. And, my own definitions of “wisdom” and intelligence”, is that if one is WISE, then he or she is intelligent as well. I don’t necessarily measure “intelligence” by ones level of education, since we know that there are some incredibly DUMB ASS people walking around, with advanced degrees of all flavors.

Just look at george, and HE’s the “commander-in-chief”.

Anyway, your old teacher was a treat. We should all be so fortunate, to have at least one, and to be able to RECOGNIZE the wisdom that they provide.

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By straight_talk_11, July 28, 2007 at 1:52 pm Link to this comment

Quoting Lefty:

“THE problem facing the world, is indeed the ‘rebellious house of Israel’, not Russia - and certainly not Muslims!”

“THE problem facing the world is the sickness of christianity and islam, two strains of the same pathology.  The sooner they are eradicated from the world, the better and happier the world will be.”


The problem facing the world is fundamentalism. Neo-atheists are also fundamentalists, dogmatic subscribers to a belief system that effectively worships the superficial world of matter and energy as ultimate reality. Even modern theoretical physics understands neither matter nor energy as fundamental any longer, or anything like what they appear to be on the surface.

Neither fundamentalist group, the Christian right or fundamentalist Muslims, represent all those who believe in the existence of a Supreme and Conscious Intelligence. One can be scientifically well-informed and accept evolution as an unarguable fact without substituting it for God. The laws of nature may be viewed as aspects of this Supreme Intelligence. Evolution can be seen as His modus operandi as Creator.

Talk of eradicating other belief systems in favor of your own tends to be the view of those who have the basic fundamentalist trait of exclusivity, elitists who think they’re too smart to believe in “fables”, etc. and who imagine that all theists are idiots who accept all the inevitably provincial cultural trappings that adorn most ancient religious scripture in this world. There are some who can see more deeply than this and appreciate the unity underlying the truly fundamental aspects of the great world religions that the so-called fundamentalists completely miss.

There is nothing intelligent in superficiality, whether theistic or atheistic, and this is the truly great danger. It is precisely what underlies a “them or us” mentality that precipitates wars, often ironically in the name of God. The truly big picture cultivates understanding, and is unifying, compassionate and does not talk of eradicating others’ belief systems.

It summons rather than rejects. It reconciles rather than differentiates. It comprehends, loves, and embraces rather than hates. The wise always look with an eye to understanding the source of bitterness in the enemy, which often if not always means looking to oneself for answers.

There is nothing of this kind of wisdom in talk of eradication. This kind of talk, in fact, is the essence of evil in this world, most especially war.

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By straight_talk_11, July 28, 2007 at 1:07 pm Link to this comment

Cyrena and Outraged:

Not necessarily the most intelligent, but one of the wisest teachers I ever had was a retired Air Force major. I don’t know what level of education he had because he taught electronics at a community vocational center. I was still in high school and had already had all my college prep courses. I learned a lot from this man…much more than just electronics. He used to start “preaching” whenever he noticed young, mostly male students talking or acting like typical young males who think war is something heroic and glamorous. People a floor below and two rooms away could overhear him shouting, “War is hell!” when his “sermon” came to a climax.

He used to give us almost impossible and different tests again and again until we could all pass with flying colors, then give us an “A”. We all loved and admired him. He was definitely a person who thought way “outside the box” while remaining eminently practical.

I think there may be some confusion about the way some of us use the word “elite”. To avoid this, I tend to couple it with power, resulting in the term “power elite” when I’m talking about those to whom I referred in an earlier post as having an unbridled sense of entitlement. This has nothing to do with level of education and everything to do with attitude, a most undemocratic one at bottom.

Typically, I don’t see a lot of correlation between level of education and the “power elite” or those with elitist attitudes. Even less do I find any correlation between the “power elite” and those with any credible indications of personal wisdom.

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By cyrena, July 28, 2007 at 12:21 pm Link to this comment

#90412 by Outraged on 7/28 at 10:56 am

•  A recent survey by North Carolina’s Center for Creative Leadership showed that while only 19 percent of top American managers had earned a postgraduate degree, a remarkable 88 percent of brigadier generals had advanced education.”

Outraged,

Your point is very well taken, (and I’ve often mused on this myself). In short, it proves what we’ve known all along…it hasn’t been the “educated” among the commanders, or the generals, or the civilians at the State Department, that have been “advising” on this disaster that is Iraq, or any of his other potential horrors to the world. In fact, any of THEM, have long since been dismissed or otherwise shit-canned. This list is long, and goes back so far now, that I can’t even remember them all. But the end result is that while we’ve actually HAD these educated and experienced military personnel, george hasn’t wanted to pay any attention to all of that.

Meantime, I’m still HIGHLY recommending it for ALL citizens. (the education thing that is.) It’s the only way they’re gonna know and understand, that NONE of this stuff is “normal”. Imagine how confused our young adults are these days? For some of the younger ones, this dysfunctional government/society is all they’ve ever known.

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By Outraged, July 28, 2007 at 11:56 am Link to this comment

I noticed some comments alluding to the proposition that the “educated” and “elitest” don’t know what they’re talking about when it comes to war and the like.  Well, if thats true then we’re in trouble since:

“Certainly, advanced education today is more common in the military than in highest levels of business.  A recent survey by North Carolina’s Center for Creative Leadership showed that while only 19 percent of top American managers had earned a postgraduate degree, a remarkable 88 percent of brigadier generals had advanced education.”

Also:
“The rising educational level is manifest in the lower ranks as well. Over 98 percent of the army’s all-voluteer force at time of the Gulf War were high school graduates, the highest percentage in history.”

Excerpt from: War and Anti-War; Alvin and Heide Toffler, copyright 1993.

I realize this book is a bit outdated, but it does show the trends and direction of the American Armed Forces.  To say that education is elitest or unnecessary in war is to say we don’t need educated, trained surgeons for heart surgery.

To me the first excerpt also shows just how uneducated American managers are.  GW being the first idiot that comes to mind, Darth being the second.

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#90113 by Non Credo on 7/27 at 12:10 pm
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“Whether he knows it or not, Lefty is part of the problem. In a format like this website, his stupidities and contradictions are exposed and challenged. In an “antiwar” march, he would just blend in. So much for “action” and the vaunted “street”.”

First, let me say, I have found I agree for the most part with your posts…however, your response to me is baffling.  Both your response and mine in return, are largely out of full context; but, I have a question: You have in essence, completely negated the Viet Nam anti-war movement with a very broad stroke, with ridicule, I might add.  Was this really your intent?  Frankly, I didn’t care who walked by my side; we were after all, joined in a cause, the same cause I might add.  At that time I didn’t care what else they believed.  I don’t often agree with mainstream thinking, but, generally, I respect a person’s right to their opinion regardless of how repugnant it may be to me.  Viva la difference! 

You demean the very thing that ultimately and finally ended the war.  As one who was part of this movement it would seem a great insult, but, I find it difficult to think you meant it as such.  A lapse in thinking perhaps?  In any event, you have your opinion and I have mine.  The street is more important than you realize.  For you, I hope the day never comes when you regret not going to the street.  Further, I will add that, I hope you are correct about this site…one of us is wrong, if it is me, then I have learned a good lesson too late.

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By Skruff, July 28, 2007 at 6:58 am Link to this comment
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“And you’re not going to tell me what to do, Lefty ....and, by the way, my name is not “godshit” ot “dogshit”, thanks.”

“HE will also do it”! (DEFEAT SATAN and MELT his Zionist worshipers)”

“Sounded more like Murdoch or someone else from Fox trying to give us “leftwing bloggers” a hard time! Hi ya, Rupert!”

)”...Sickening ...DogShit is foaming at the mouth and coming in his pants…... Good little nazis like you just drop dogshit everywhere, like a beagle with diarrhea…”

— which of you would that be here now —

“...Clever.  Ask me if I care…who DogShit is.” 

What clever political commentary. You folks must do a lot of reading…. I’m impressed.

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By Inherit The Wind, July 28, 2007 at 5:04 am Link to this comment
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GodSend on 7/27 at 8:34 pm
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DC:

THE problem facing the world, is indeed the ‘rebellious house of Israel’, not Russia - and certainly not Muslims! Herzl’s Märchen of a Jewish homeland was a fairy tale that has turned into humanity’s nightmare. But that’s what the Devil intended - “the god of this world”. America’s, and therefore the world’s problem is that the ‘Protocols’ have been followed for MANY years (SEE! Benjamin Freedman’s 1961 and 1974 speeches) and all facets of America are now thoroughly infested by Zionists, crypto-Zionists, ZioChristians and sayanim in the thousands! The American populace has been victimized, de-moralized and brainwashed to a point where they are just about a land of 294,000,000 sheeple, ready for slaughter (not counting the 6,000,000 or so Semites, many of which have also been brainwashed). They have succumbed to the same Golden Calf which ‘did in’ Yahweh’s Chosen People again and again! It was and is, rebellion against God!

Is there a Light at the end of this very Dark tunnel?

Yes, there is - Thank God! “HE will also do it”! (DEFEAT SATAN and MELT his Zionist worshipers) smile

Just WAIT and SEE!

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There goes that nazi DogShit again—he’s now ONE step away from calling for a new Auschwitz to round up all the Jews for slaughter. Of course, he PRETENDS that he LOVES Jews, but only those that have accepted Jesus—but all the rest WHICH MEANS ALL THE JEWS IN THE WORLD! he calls “Zionists” and declares are Satan’s spawn.

See, DogShit is a real nazi—as evil as Adolph Hitler.  He’s EXACTLY the same as the Taliban who will beat a woman to death if she slips and falls and her ankle shows.  That’s how DogShit thinks.  DogShit is masturbating wildly at the thought of nuclear WMDs descending on Israel.

And, of course, DogShit is not interested in the FACTS surrounding that other piece of dogshit, George W. Bush. He’s too busy publicly jerking off calling for the genocide of Israel.

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By CaptainCanada, July 28, 2007 at 2:44 am Link to this comment
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First off, let me say it is quite gratifying to see the level of debate and interaction taking place in this forum. Those of us outside of the United States usually only see America in the guise of the ‘official’ news agencies - CNN, FOX, ABC et al - which almost never display the type of critical news reporting that we here in Canada are used to and those in Europe take for granted. As for Godsend, you are right…Bush and Cheney will never get impeached. Impeachment, i.e. holding a President accountable for his actions, seems to be a foreign concept in American political culture - even though it appears on the statute books. One only has to go by history: Lyndon Johnson blatantly lied to the American people about the Gulf of Tonkin as an excuse to expand the war in Vietnam; Richard Nixon secretly started bombing Cambodia - a neutral sovereign country - without congressional approval; Reagan sold weapons to Iran and the contra rebels - breaking a congressional law….no impeachment in any case. Indeed, the only time impeachment really comes to the fore is when a President apparently violates social decorum - lying as Nixon did and getting a blowjob in Clinton’s case. Quite perplexing as a non-American. It came as no surprise to me that Bush II pardoned Libby. It only reinforced the idea that the President of the United States is above the law: not only is he not held accountable for his actions, he can also absolve his minions for theirs. I’m sure if Thomas Jefferson were alive he’d be marching on Capitol Hill with a musket. But it does remain surprising to me why Americans as a people do not get more irate. Here in Canada, the former government was found to have illegally subsidized the federalist forces in the last Quebec referendum on sovereignty. Even though the vast majority of Canadians are federalists, they still found the illegal support offensive and voted them out of power. Thus, I would expand Godsend’s remarks by saying impeachment won’t occur because most Americans either seem too apathetic or simply adhere to the notion that one must support their ‘Commander-in-Chief’ no matter what he does (as long as it does not violate social mores). As for Myronh, I was indeed implying the Israeli domination of American foreign policy, but just because a politician happens to be Jewish does not make him or her automatically a Zionist. But it is nevertheless true that the American political system has been hijacked. One only has to look at your choices for President. The majority of Americans seem to be opposed to continued involvement in Iraq and seem to be in favour of a negotiated settlement with Iran. Yet the two main political contenders - Clinton and Giuliani - both favour staying in Iraq and attacking Iran. How did that happen? Again, only part of the explanation can be found in the domination of the political system by outside elements. The other part must be found in the American people,i.e., how do you let these things happen? As an outside observer - born in the USA to marine corps parents but raised in Canada - you simply seem too believing and trusting in authority. You need to take a page from the French and start burning cars in the streets. Cheese-eating surrender monkeys or no, at least they don’t let their government walk all over them.

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By DennisD, July 27, 2007 at 10:59 pm Link to this comment
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I’m not sure if “free falling” assumes that there is a bottom for Bu$h Inc. to reach or not but his particular free fall will end in January of 09, the country’s unfortunately will not. He’s been running up one hell of a bill and guess who’ll be paying it. Just like old times of Bu$h Inc.

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By blog dog, July 27, 2007 at 9:44 pm Link to this comment

#90260 by eric swan on 7/27 at 8:08 pm
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I’ve read through this comment gargage and not once ecountered the word “OIL”.  are you blind

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#90164 by blog dog on 7/27 at 2:07 pm
- and yeah, of course it’s about the oil and the drugs and the arms and, in particular the oil/drugs/arms-dollar fiat currency.

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By GodSend, July 27, 2007 at 9:34 pm Link to this comment

DC:

THE problem facing the world, is indeed the ‘rebellious house of Israel’, not Russia - and certainly not Muslims! Herzl’s Märchen of a Jewish homeland was a fairy tale that has turned into humanity’s nightmare. But that’s what the Devil intended - “the god of this world”. America’s, and therefore the world’s problem is that the ‘Protocols’ have been followed for MANY years (SEE! Benjamin Freedman’s 1961 and 1974 speeches) and all facets of America are now thoroughly infested by Zionists, crypto-Zionists, ZioChristians and sayanim in the thousands! The American populace has been victimized, de-moralized and brainwashed to a point where they are just about a land of 294,000,000 sheeple, ready for slaughter (not counting the 6,000,000 or so Semites, many of which have also been brainwashed). They have succumbed to the same Golden Calf which ‘did in’ Yahweh’s Chosen People again and again! It was and is, rebellion against God!

Is there a Light at the end of this very Dark tunnel?

Yes, there is - Thank God! “HE will also do it”! (DEFEAT SATAN and MELT his Zionist worshipers) smile

Just WAIT and SEE!

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By eric swan, July 27, 2007 at 9:25 pm Link to this comment
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OIL.

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By Douglas Chalmers, July 27, 2007 at 9:15 pm Link to this comment

#90245 by Ernest Canning on 7/27 at 7:06 pm: “...under the Bush administration are the words “homeland security” an oxymoron…?”

Duh, more like “deadly rays of kryptonite”, ha ha!

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By Douglas Chalmers, July 27, 2007 at 9:12 pm Link to this comment

#90257 by Lefty on 7/27 at 8:02 pm: “...Re: #90211 by blog dog on 7/27 at 5:36 pm ==========
Lefty is the only handle I use.”

Sounded more like Murdoch or someone else from Fox trying to give us “leftwing bloggers” a hard time! Hi ya, Rupert!

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By eric swan, July 27, 2007 at 9:08 pm Link to this comment
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I’ve read through this comment gargage and not once ecountered the word “OIL”.  are you blind?

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By cann4ing, July 27, 2007 at 8:06 pm Link to this comment

Hey Doug, under the Bush administration are the words “homeland security” an oxymoron?

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By Inherit The Wind, July 27, 2007 at 7:30 pm Link to this comment
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They repudiated Jesus as their Messiah and have been in denial about it ever since. They are still seeking ‘the one’ who will now never come to free them. Add the holocaust experience, even second-hand, and that makes their case a very complex one.

Oh give me a FUCKING BREAK!  Jesus is YOUR god, not ours. That’s that kind of disrespect Jews have had to put up with for 2000 years.  A bunch of guys, 100-300 years after he died, wrote a bunch of scripture they KNEW would agree with the predictions in Tanakh and said “See? He IS the Messiah!”  They didn’t even get it right because the Messiah is supposed to be King of Israel on Earth, not spiritually.

The funny thing, is that Jesus, if the scriptures are even partially true, was a very good and kind man who would WEEP at the evil, viciousness, hatred, intolerance, and violence done in his name—all things YOUR scripture says he preached against, particularly intolerance and hatred.

I haven’t had any direct experience of such rudeness but I have noticed that I have been deliberately and totally ignored by some men wearing beards and 1940’s style hats (the Lubavitch). There is nothing spiritual about that. To me, they have more in common with the Taleban. Frankly, I don’t care for such behaviour in my own country from people who have recently, or relatively recently, migrated.

How do you know they were Lubavitchers and not Satmar?  What you saw were “Chasidim”, of which Lubavitch and Satmar are sects. In fact, Lubavitchers are usually the friendliest and MOST outgoing of Chasids and the ONLY Jews who proselytize, albeit only other Jews.  But don’t worry: most Chasidim won’t talk to anyone who isn’t at least Orthodox.

Doug,  Read a little—you ain’t the one who’s earned the sobriquets “GodShit” and “DogShit”.

You may be intolerant and ignorant of Judaism but next to DogShit you are a fine fellow!

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By Douglas Chalmers, July 27, 2007 at 7:06 pm Link to this comment

House Passes Homeland Security Legislation
President Expected to Sign Bill Implementing Recommendations of 9/11 Commission http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/27/AR2007072701795.html?hpid=topnews

This is rubbish! Commissioned in 2002 and still has to have 5 years to make its effect felt. What is worse, those states not considered to be at high risk of a terrorist attack will have their homeland security grants halved. Guess which states will now be the most obvious targets?

9/11 Commission Report http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/911report/911reportbychapter.html?hpid=topnews

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By cyrena, July 27, 2007 at 6:56 pm Link to this comment

#90113 by Non Credo on 7/27 at 12:10 pm

•  You are quite wrong. You do not understand the collective effect of many, many people combining small actions to create big change.

Thanks Non Credo, Your words, as usual, are very true. The collective effort/effect of many has not been realized by those who prefer not to engage. But, it’s the only thing that’s gonna save us.
This was on display in the article below. It’s titled “Purple America” and I’m not familiar with the author, Bob Moser, but he really gets to the heart of things, and it is in fact a “hopeful” piece.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/072607E.shtml

Kind of lengthy, but here’s a short clip from it:

...“The Republican Party has no more claim on values and principles and especially God than those crazy jihadists over there! Your party’s reign of terror values is ov-ahhhhh!”

(I especially liked the ov-ahhhh part, because these are words being uttered by the Democratic step-children of an overwhelming red state, North Carolina, and they talk like this.)

They are now in gear, and they aren’t taking it anymore. The small combined actions of the many….that’s all that’s gonna save us…..

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By blog dog, July 27, 2007 at 6:36 pm Link to this comment

RE: ”...liberal, socialist, democrat from a long line of liberal, socialist, democrats.  And I don’t take any shit…” — which of you would that be here now — how many other handles you using to provoke a brawl?

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By Douglas Chalmers, July 27, 2007 at 6:18 pm Link to this comment

#90206 by Lefty on 7/27 at 4:59 pm
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Re: #90204 by Douglas Chalmers on 7/27 at 4:49 pm
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“The Art of Peace is medicine for a sick world. There is evil and disorder in the world because people have forgotten that all things emanate from one source…..........
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Doug, you’re NOT gonna start proslytizing on Truthdig!  Give that god bullshit a break!  No one with any sense is buyin’ it.

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And you’re not going to tell me what to do, Lefty ....and, by the way, my name is not “godshit” ot “dogshit”, thanks.

Oh, and thanks also for re-posting my quote. If you like it so much, here’s another verse .....its free so you don’t have to buy…....

“To practice properly the Art of Peace, you must:

Calm the spirit and return to the source.

Cleanse the body and spirit by removing all malice, selfishness, and desire.

Be ever-grateful for the gifts received from the universe, your family, Mother Nature, and your fellow human beings…..”

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By Douglas Chalmers, July 27, 2007 at 5:49 pm Link to this comment

“The Art of Peace is medicine for a sick world. There is evil and disorder in the world because people have forgotten that all things emanate from one source. Return to that source and leave behind all self-centered thoughts, petty desires, and anger. Those who are possessed by nothing possess everything….” http://www-cse.ucsd.edu/users/paloma/Aikido/artpeace.html

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By blog dog, July 27, 2007 at 5:41 pm Link to this comment

RE: “...Clever.  Ask me if I care…who DogShit is.” — smells like lilmamzar’s MO — my posts gave rise to similar misanthropy in previous threads, leading to numerous iterations of canine fecal references — when I tried to engage with a light-hearted repartee, the replies escalated to ballistic intensity — with this troll on the scene the thread is now in its death throes — mission accomplished,  lilmamzar — see y’all around…

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By Goffredo, July 27, 2007 at 5:21 pm Link to this comment

“He’s a good boy, loves his daddy,
loves Jesus and freedom, too,
He’s a good boy, crazy ‘bout war,
loves power, and oil, too.

It’s a hard life, tellin’ the truth,
Stupid media and congress, too
and the constitution, I don’t even miss her,
lied to the people and I don’t even care…

Cuz I’m free…free fallin’...”

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By Douglas Chalmers, July 27, 2007 at 3:40 pm Link to this comment

#90145 by the 1Sgt on 7/27 at 1:42 pm — How is it possible these people are an “ally” of the United States? Their behavior is completely unlike what Americans would think as acceptable….”
#90157 by Non Credo on 7/27 at 1:59 pm - I was struck by the same passage in Myronh’s post. I too have seen this blatant racist rudeness and cruelty. I went to a restaurant with a “liberal” Jewish friend. She considers herself liberal but is fiercely pro-Israel and anti-Arab in her politics and attitudes….”

Its a little difficult to discuss racial-religious enmities without descending into their mire so we have to be careful…. but frankess is still appropriate. Additionally, some of these people mentioned might have had a psychological ‘deficit’ as a result of past experiences in Europe a long time ago.

I don’t know if you are aware, but essentially, Zionist Jews hate Christians. Its there in their religious history. They repudiated Jesus as their Messiah and have been in denial about it ever since. They are still seeking ‘the one’ who will now never come to free them. Add the holocaust experience, even second-hand, and that makes their case a very complex one.

I haven’t had any direct experience of such rudeness but I have noticed that I have been deliberately and totally ignored by some men wearing beards and 1940’s style hats (the Lubavitch). There is nothing spiritual about that. To me, they have more in common with the Taleban. Frankly, I don’t care for such behaviour in my own country from people who have recently, or relatively recently, migrated.

Apart from that, Palestine, their ‘original’ homeland, was once Christian as well as Moslem and Jew. In stealing almost all of Palestine from everyone else, they have also usurped the rights of Palestinian Christians to some degree as well as those of Moslems. That is not tolerance or love in any way. Their is an exclusive religion and theirs is a religious state as secular as it seems to appear.

What is worse, countries like the USA have supported Israel as being founded as a religious state and at the expense of other Palestinians since the 1940’s. In return, you have been used and now you are being abused. They, or some in particular, have shown you what they are really like. Don’t be misled by romantic rubbish from the old testament - they were always a blood-thirsty bunch.

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By the 1Sgt, July 27, 2007 at 3:34 pm Link to this comment

If you pay attention you will see many of the Israeli activists in some forums will call people names (arab-lickers, mooselimes, etc) when they run into objectors of the policies of the Israeli state. It’s really weird, they almost always assume the objector to be an Arab when in reality most are not. You really get the feeling Arabs must be second class citizens to them.

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By blog dog, July 27, 2007 at 3:07 pm Link to this comment

RE:  #90145 by the 1Sgt on 7/27 at 1:42 pm — How is it possible these people are an “ally” of the United States? Their behavior is completely unlike what Americans would think as acceptable.

======= The US has never been too picky about its “allies” (?) - let’s say “puppets” - to reiterate: to global finance oligarchs (Zionists included), we’re all cannon fodder (Israelis included) - CIA. MI-6, MOSSAD are all in service to this cabal of global finance hegemons - and yeah, of course it’s about the oil and the drugs and the arms and, in particular the oil/drugs/arms-dollar fiat currency.

The real mystery is why the shadow government even bothers to stage false flag provocations - just launch wherever, whenever they want and just report there was an incident, e.g. Gulf of Tonkin.

Answer is most likely that they really do want to terrorize the world. Same with their torture gulag. They know Al Queda’s every move. They run them. Of course, none of the boots on the ground on any side of this know that. So, cut off their heads there, torture them here, keep the bombs coming and the chaos spreading. Eventually, everyone will be begging the hegemons to “get tough” and “keep the peace.” Again, oldest game in the book: PROTECTION!

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#90093 by Inherit The Wind on 7/27 at 11:11 am
(Unregistered commenter)”...Sickening ...DogShit is foaming at the mouth and coming in his pants…... Good little nazis like you just drop dogshit everywhere, like a beagle with diarrhea…”

A. Are you talking to/about me?

Nope. You are out of luck this time. Maybe next time.

B. Are you a Zionist with an agenda?

Nope

C. I’m not interested in “inheriting your wind” - kindly be gone with the wind!

Clever.  Ask me if I care.

Remember the joke about the dyslexic insomniac Agnostic who was up all night wondering if there was a Dog?

THAT should tell you who DogShit is—and it ain’t you.

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#90093 by Inherit The Wind on 7/27 at 11:11 am
(Unregistered commenter)”...Sickening ...DogShit is foaming at the mouth and coming in his pants…... Good little nazis like you just drop dogshit everywhere, like a beagle with diarrhea…”

A. Are you talking to/about me?
B. Are you a Zionist with an agenda?
C. I’m not interested in “inheriting your wind” - kindly be gone with the wind!

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#90087 by Myronh on 7/27 at 10:35 am
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I followed his philosophy for more than 50 years until my Job took me to Israel. I was there for several weeks and was totally devastated by the rudeness and the cruelty the Jews displayed to their Arab workers. I have also seen this same kind of rudeness and lack of courtesy demonstrated by elderly Jewish people in Hotels and restaurants in the US. I truly believe that Israel has strong enough ties in the US (and money) to control the US Congress. I don’t know what we can do to stop this madness. It may become so bad that we are forced to start another Civil War to remove the rats that are undermining the US Constitution.
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Many people are waking up to the same. In fact, the more you look, the more disturbing it is. How is it possible these people are an “ally” of the United States? Their behavior is completely unlike what Americans would think as acceptable.

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By Robert, July 27, 2007 at 1:13 pm Link to this comment

Israeli Co Is New Pentagon
Computer Security Supplier!

From Jeff Blankfort

7-27-7

“The Israeli company for computer security Check Points has been appointed as the official supplier to the American Ministry of Defense. In particular, the company will supply American Federal agencies with a protection system for data stored on laptop computers. (Guysen.International.News) July 17, 2007

Whatever one may think of the old Protocols of the the Learned Elders of Zion, the protocols of the current elders seem to be working very efficiently. Let’s see. They control Congress and the White House, security at all our major airports, through the Israeli company Amdocs they manage the billing of 90% of US private telephone companies, and now they have a direct line into the computers of every federal agency because one may be assured that if they have a system, they know how to bypass it. Of course, by calling it “Check Points,” that is equivalent to the Nazis of an earlier generation calling their school yards, “Concentration Camps.” Different era, same mentality.-JB”


http://www.rense.com/general77/isco.htm

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By Douglas Chalmers, July 27, 2007 at 12:38 pm Link to this comment

#90088 by GodSend on 7/27 at 10:36 am: “...Would Russia care if the auto-Samson Option then takes out a bunch of European and American cities??? The question is, will there be enough time to push the red ‘Samson Option’ button in Israel…?!”

The problem, of course, Godsend, is not Russia but Israel. The Arabs are well aware of that ....only the Americans are so stupid to believe otherwise.

Fantasising about Zion is the same as the Japanese fantasising about Shinto and the Emperor back in the 1940’s. All supremacist religions are essentially fake and Judaism is moreso than the rest.

Is is merely an artificial construct cobbled out of other preceding regional religions such as Zoroastrianism, etc etc. The have no exclusive claim to “God” whatsoever.

The fact that so-called Christians have allowed themselves to be so duped by having that fake religion grafted onto their own “religion” is already a historical scandal. After all, the bible’s new testament is about Christianity’s founder, not the rest of the garbage.

Waging wars on behalf of a pariah state based on a dubious denial of that truth is pathetically immoral, to say the least. What is who getting out of all this.? Plenty in $$$ terms, that’s for sure! What is worse, Israel was allowed to be created out of Jewish land-grabbing and the Jews doing to their Palestinian brothers + sisters what the Nazis did to them.

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By Inherit The Wind, July 27, 2007 at 12:11 pm Link to this comment
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Sickening.
DogShit is foaming at the mouth and coming in his pants with excitement at the thought of 5.5 million Israelis dying in a serious of nuclear attacks by…Russia{???}

Now Russians have been hating Jews far longer than DogShit has. Little shtetls[i/] full of poor Jews out of “Fiddler on The Roof” would be wiped out by Cossacks on horseback just to pacify the locals.  But that doesn’t mean that Vladimir Putin is a fool, even if DogShit is. The Russians have learned restraint in the 58 years they’ve had nuclear weapons—they aren’t going to open themselves up to a nuclear exchange just so DogShit can come in his jeans.

Of course, DogShit never realizes that Iran shares a 1,000 mile border with Russia which means Iran is FAR more worried about Russia than it will ever be of Israel (unless the leaders are morons…hmmmmm). And Russia is FAR more concerned with Iran spreading fundamentalist Islam to the north than they are to ANY threat from Israel.

BTW, DogShit, if you think the CPI is a sham, prove it.  First prove you even know WHAT the CPI is, and how it’s computed.  Do you even know what the Consumer Expenditure Survey is? How about a Laspeyres Index? Don’t just quote propaganda websites—you have to show you know statistics, sampling, software development methodology, etc.  And “God told me it’s a sham” doesn’t constitute proof.

Good little nazis like you just drop dogshit everywhere, like a beagle with diarrhea.

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By GodSend, July 27, 2007 at 11:36 am Link to this comment

DC:

I wish I could share your optimism about the (existence of) distant future wink Are America’s (Zionist) leaders sane? Is the ‘Samson Option’ sane? Are any of the Israeli Zionist leaders’ actions sane? I doubt it!

In a way, I can understand the Israeli’s paranoia - SEE! my previous post about the possibility (likelihood?) of an instant and total wipe-out by ONE Russian missile of all of tiny Israel. Would Russia care if the auto-Samson Option then takes out a bunch of European and American cities??? The question is, will there be enough time to push the red ‘Samson Option’ button in Israel?!

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By Myronh, July 27, 2007 at 11:35 am Link to this comment
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For those who have doubts about the Israel/US connection, as described by Captain Canada, I want to reinforce what he so accurately reported. The Israel/Jewish influence in this country is a slow but hideous infection that has even permeated the northern heartland of the US. Senators for Wisconsin and Minnesota come from Jewish backgrounds, but those two states have very small Jewish populations. How did this happen? Money and selective relocation is the primary factor. As an example: Minnesota Senator Coleman, a New York boy, moved to St. Paul and was elected the Democratic Mayor. He decided to join the Bush gang and switched parties. He successfully defeated the Democratic opponent for the Senate seat that was held by Wellstone (also Jewish heritage) who died in a tragic plane accident shortly before the election. The population of Minnesota consists primarily of Northern and Central European descent. Population statistics don’t even list Jewish descent. Does it make any sense that those of Jewish descent are the only ones qualified for political office? Is it possible that candidates of Jewish descent are pre-selected, groomed and financed by a special interest group?
I was raised by a very liberal Scandinavian father that could not understand why anybody disliked Jews. He was very disturbed about what happened in Germany in WWII. I followed his philosophy for more than 50 years until my Job took me to Israel. I was there for several weeks and was totally devastated by the rudeness and the cruelty the Jews displayed to their Arab workers. I have also seen this same kind of rudeness and lack of courtesy demonstrated by elderly Jewish people in Hotels and restaurants in the US. I truly believe that Israel has strong enough ties in the US (and money) to control the US Congress. I don’t know what we can do to stop this madness. It may become so bad that we are forced to start another Civil War to remove the rats that are undermining the US Constituition.

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By Douglas Chalmers, July 27, 2007 at 11:20 am Link to this comment

#90077 by GodSend on 7/27 at 9:47 am: “...Building nuclear power plants is trivia in the greater scheme of things. The question is Russia’s stance when Iran is attacked…”

Depends also on whether the USA is stupid enough to do so or if it will ‘allow’ the Israeli air force to do it. Being obsessed with “control of the ME oil” instead of simply co-operating in investment and trade will bring the uSA undone. Isreal is already out of favour for selling military technology secrets supplied by the uSA and better watch out!

But its already late now - 80 years late, to be exact and the game won’t change so easily. It is all the more ridiculous because oil is being replaced by solar-thermal and wind, etc. Sadly, nuclear (fission) will also be replaced in the next 30 years by those and by nuclear fusion, etc etc but the world will be thoroughly contaminated for millenia by then.

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By diogenes, July 27, 2007 at 11:09 am Link to this comment
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My god, you all, are the ones in freefall.  Bush is doing his normal thing.  SNAFU…remember…situation normal-all fucked up!

Do you really not see how you waste your energy posting on these sites?  When you finish posting, you feel you have really done some good.  But the streets are vacant; how can anybody have a clue as to how we really feel.  Words are cheap!  I am new to this site but, I see so much positive energy blown to hell in a vacuum that professes to expose the truth.  If 20% of America reads this stuff…tell me how the other 80% finds out about it?  Pat Tillman, Alberto Gonzales, Karl Rove, Ward Churchill, Dick Cheney, etc., etc., …how do we tell America we won’t take it any more?  How do we say…you (the government) can never take away our right to peaceful assembly regardless of your technicalities?  You can never take away our right to rally and demonstrate against injustice…you will never take away our right to openly protest against injustice in any manner, way, shape, or form.  How can we say this in a universal language that cannot be misunderstood?  We must in very large numbers go to the street…we must be ready to die…really!  Just as our predecessors before us have done.  This is the true history of this once great country as our (my) ancestors have done.  We expect our proxies (our soldier friends and neighbors) to go to the other side of the world to die for us so we can stay comfortable and make our salaries and not have our lives disrupted.

God help us…nobody else will!

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By GodSend, July 27, 2007 at 11:07 am Link to this comment

The thought that will forever(?) keep Israeli leaders awake at night is that Russia is able to dump a ‘wipe-out’ nuke on Israel AT ANY TIME. And, Israel is not able to use ‘nuclear blackmail’ on Russia (forward-deployed, ‘Samson Option’ nukes in its embassies), as it can/does on Western nations, including America! It cannot stop an attack and it cannot effectively retaliate! They know that Damocles’ Sword is hanging over their heads and that they must proceed VERY gingerly. And all that’s before Yahweh and His promise to melt the rebellious house of Israel has even been considered! wink

Perhaps they (Israel) should just tuck their tail between their legs, give up their nukes to the UN, give up the Arms and other nasty businesses, give the Palestinians their land back and promise to be good from now on!? smile Maybe the world can forgive them? More importantly, maybe Yahweh will forgive them?! wink

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By GodSend, July 27, 2007 at 10:47 am Link to this comment

DC:

Russia will bomb/nuke Israel if the uSA bombs/nukes Iran. Why? They built the new Busheher nuclear energy plant there.

Russia will protect it’s geopolitical interests in the ME for a variety of reasons. For one, possession (control of) the ME oil is a powerful weapon. For another, the ME is too close to Russia to be controlled by anyone else (like Israel). Building nuclear power plants is trivia in the greater scheme of things. The question is Russia’s stance when Iran is attacked. (that’s being negotiated now by Mr. K et al in Moscow - oil interests included). Will Russia nuke Israel or get directly involved in an escalation of US/Israel military adventures in the ME? It’s not only a question of IF, it’s questions of WHEN and HOW. A nuke on Israel might come a little later in the game! wink Pretty soon, the world will be overflowing with excess oil! (Global, Grand Depression!)

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By Douglas Chalmers, July 27, 2007 at 10:25 am Link to this comment

#90066 by GodSend on 7/27 at 9:11 am: “...Here are some examples of ‘Black is White’ LIES, emanating from the MSM: ....Tiny Israel needs America’s help to survive. (until all our blood and treasure has been spilled and spent on their wars and “Greater Israel” plan?)...”

Russia will bomb/nuke Israel if the uSA bombs/nukes Iran. Why? They built the new Busheher nuclear energy plant there.

Also, Russia has its own oil, so they don’t care if that inconveniences the USA. As far as Europe is concerned, Russia could then sell its oil to them for whatever they can gouge out of them.

In the meantime, Russia has been the biggest benefactor from higher (100% higher) oil prices. They export (to China, etc) and profit while the uSA slips further into debt and uncompetitiveness.

Who is the biggest sucker? The American people, of course! They are not only buying all of ths, they are still lapping up what is being fed to them by their politicians.

How low will the value of the US$ have to fall to in order to balance this equation? Quite a way!

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By Douglas Chalmers, July 27, 2007 at 10:15 am Link to this comment

#90007 by cyrena on 7/27 at 4:04 am: “...• RE:  “when the putsch comes, ...what, pray tell, are “We the People” to do?”......Meantime, just keep in mind that we DO have agency, if only because there are so many more of US, than there are of THEM…......That’s why I think even a moderate form of widespread civil resistance would have them running like the drowning rats they are, because I think they’ll be far more committed to the escape plan, than trying to install martial law in a system that is already such a house of cards .......I don’t think CHINA would let that happen, seeing as how “invested” they are in US! (and the trillions we owe them)...”

Doesn’t China have only one little ol’ trillion? Then Japan has another trillion and so does Europe but the big game is in the “yen carry trade”. Since the 1990’s, it has bene the means of sucking wealth out of Asia and having virtual free money to finance all the LBO’s (leveraged buyouts) and a host of other clever deals and junk bonds. That is now all unravelling courtesy of the mortgage market mess - and it will be a Lu Lu!

But, principally, I think that the best form of “civil resistance” is to only ever vote for politicians who always tell the TRUTH!

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By GodSend, July 27, 2007 at 10:11 am Link to this comment

Here are some examples of ‘Black is White’ LIES, emanating from the MSM:

Inflation is down. (we know better - the CPI is a sham)
Real Estate is recovering. (we are at the tip of the iceberg of Total Collapse)
The economy is growing. (it’s growing cobwebs)
Beware of growing terror in America. (from our own government)
Tiny Israel needs America’s help to survive. (until all our blood and treasure has been spilled and spent on their wars and “Greater Israel” plan?)
The presidential debates are important. (about as important as Oprah’s latest diet)

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By GodSend, July 27, 2007 at 9:52 am Link to this comment

Non Credo, you are absolutely correct in your post about Iran not being a real threat to Israel! smile

Watch for MSM reporting to increasingly approach the Orwellian ‘Black is White’ characteristic. Major events (like the economy and financial markets crashing) will simply be IGNORED, as if they weren’t happening! Meaningless Distractions and Diversions (as already pointed out here) will increase. The ultimate irony will arrive when EVERYONE knows that the ‘Official’ explanation for 9/11 is a cover-up but the MSM will simply ignore the topic. Once they are forced to acknowledge the Truth, Pandora’s Box will be opened and all hell will break loose. Guilty Zionists will have to run for the hills - in Israel! wink

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By cann4ing, July 27, 2007 at 9:51 am Link to this comment

Cyrena, thanks for your thoughts.  I can think of one more possible response by “We the People” to a Cheney-led effort to destroy the very Constitution that most of us, at one time or another, had taken a solemn oath to defend.  Those of us with family members in the military or who are police officers need to educate them as to the danger.  If the putch is then attempted, their response should be to “disobey” orders, as they will have been derived from an illegal source.  Their duty is to the Constitution and the rule of law, not to our would-be Stalin, Dead-Eye Dick.

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By GodSend, July 27, 2007 at 9:31 am Link to this comment

The putsch will come from patriotic Americans in the Military! - eventually, but not yet. Things will have to get a lot worse - and they will! (The Grand Depression is already in progress and accelerating). The next scheduled event is 9/11-II and Bush invoking dictatorial powers, for which the legal ‘justification’ is already in place. Only then will the patriots awaken (from their slumber) to the danger to their own asses.

SEE! the PROPHECIES at: http://novalight.org for more - A LOT more!

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By GodSend, July 27, 2007 at 8:39 am Link to this comment

CaptainCanada got it right! smile

Forget Impeachment of Bush and Cheney. The will and votes aren’t there. The process would be too long anyway BUT all the other Zionists would still be on the loose and the terminal cancer would keep spreading! Anyone who promotes the interests of Israel ahead of those of the American people is the enemy. That’s the enemy that has to be neutralized. Neutralized means ‘made ineffective’.

Civil Disobedience will ONLY occur once a critical mass of Americans are in dire straits (Grand Depression). To try to create it now on the basis of anything else is a waste of time and effort.

Where does that leave us?

RESIST Zionists and Zionism and their stooges wherever you find it/them. Keep blogging! Do whatever you can in your little corner of the world to expand the collective consciousness about the Evil which surrounds us and threatens to kill us! (Don’t support ANY political candidate who receives financial or other support from Israel, Zionist organizations or Zionists).

WE MUST strike the roots of Evil - and they run VERY deep and all over the place! - mostly underground wink

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By diogenes, July 27, 2007 at 7:39 am Link to this comment
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#90007 by cyrena on 7/27 at 4:04 am

#89964 by Ernest Canning on 7/26 at 9:41 pm

I think you guy’s need to step back, take a deep breath, and stop your self generated spiral down the slippery slope.

Wow, get a grip…we’re in deep shit, but…

“Ernest, I’ve been thinking on this…
Here’s one idea that came to mind…a counter-coup. Who would do it? Gotta plan that now as well. That means we have to form an alternative Congress to kick-in, as soon as he thinks he’s disbanding the one we’ve got now. (which might not be a bad thing).

Oh please!  Surely your kidding…please tell me yes.

Repeat after me…go to the streets, go to the streets, go to the streets, ......organize demonstrations to keep that freedom alive.

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By cyrena, July 27, 2007 at 5:04 am Link to this comment

• RE:  “when the putsch comes, ...what, pray tell, are “We the People” to do?”

Ernest, I’ve been thinking on this…
Here’s one idea that came to mind…a counter-coup. Who would do it? Gotta plan that now as well. That means we have to form an alternative Congress to kick-in, as soon as he thinks he’s disbanding the one we’ve got now. (which might not be a bad thing).

We’ll need all the rest of the seats filled as well. (Executive Branch, Judiciary,the entire Cabinet, etc) So, this is a good time for all geniuses and ordinary people to come forward to offer whatever services they can provide.

Depending on how desperate things get, we might have to take a cue from the Iraqis. Develop our own “neighborhood” security and social services policies, with neighborhood “governing” councils. Tribe style…like the old days, only we’ve got the Internet now, so we don’t have to depend on smoke signals to communicate with each other. (They could try to shut it down, but that’s more than a notion, and they’d be screwing themselves as well)

Meantime, just keep in mind that we DO have agency, if only because there are so many more of US, than there are of THEM.

That’s why I think even a moderate form of widespread civil resistance would have them running like the drowning rats they are, because I think they’ll be far more committed to the escape plan, than trying to install martial law in a system that is already such a house of cards.

I don’t think CHINA would let that happen, seeing as how “invested” they are in US! (and the trillions we owe them)

Still, it would be a good idea to follow-up on the repeal of this latest E/O, since that IS something that Congress CAN do.

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By cyrena, July 27, 2007 at 2:42 am Link to this comment

•  RE: “a general idea of what the hell is GOING ON!!!”
====== Bush takes orders from the shadows

Well blog dog, WE know this. (that bush takes orders from the shadows) We even know who’s writing most of this stuff, Cheney’s shadow staff. But, when I suggested that “we the people” need to have an understanding of WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON, I was saying exactly that. Most of “we the people” don’t have a clue, and are only just beginning to discover this…

•  RE: “oldest trick in the book”
====== Protection; and if you don’t believe you need it, just you wait and see

And, the oldest trick in the book that I was referring to, is the divide and conquer; or divide and rule trick, Keeping a population IGNORANT, (and distracted) and in the dark, and preventing them from communicating with each other…is the OLDEST trick in the book. (or, at least one of them.) And, just as the civil war/sectarian conflict was INTENTIONALLY created in the plan to colonize Iraq, the very same thing has been accomplished here at home, because “home” is 50 states that in reality have vastly different populations, even within their own confines.

•  RE:  “when the putsch comes, ...what, pray tell, are “We the People” to do?”
====== ???????? but if Congress doesn’t do something damn quick, the lot of them may be the first to get the midnight knock at the door.

Now this was Ernest’s question to all of us I guess, but I know you asked me, and my answer has to be pretty much the same as truth blog’s. CONGRESS needs to act NOW, to stop him, and I noticed a “second alert” from johnofportlant, on that last Executive Order that the shrub just signed, that basically allows him to snatch property from any one of us, just for protesting the war. Congress has like 30 days or less, to block it. So, that’s something to do NOW.

Admittedly, I DON’T have an answer for what happens if we DON’T stop it, or if Congress doesn’t immediately simply IMPEACH them both, but that’s not because I don’t think we need a game plan, I just don’t have one for “we the people”. Because, once that happens, it will be “every man woman and child for themselves.” Because, like others have suggested, we ARE in pre-WWII Germany, and I’ve been seeing that coming for years now. We haven’t stopped it yet, and I would only agree that it IS is fact the only “real” ticking time-bomb that we have going.

There’s been much discussion about the real existence of such a circumstance, -the ticking time bomb scenario- that some pundits like to use as an occasion for ignoring the prohibitions against torture. (i.e., it’s OK to use torture, if it’s gonna save a huge population of people from the eminent disaster of a bomb or whatever). Those are fantasy type scenarios that make for good theater and “war on terror” propaganda.

But, there IS a GENUINE “ticking time bomb” in the white house, and the point now, is to disarm it/them (all of them) before they can explode. That means impeachment. If that doesn’t happen before he can disband Congress, and install martial law, (which could be difficult, just because of the population ratio of law-enforcement to “the people) then it’s simply too late, and I don’t have any answers for that. I sure don’t see any other country stepping in to help us out.

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By blog dog, July 27, 2007 at 1:30 am Link to this comment

#89964 by Ernest Canning on 7/26 at 9:41 pm — Perhaps the American people might want to consider a general strike to force impeachment before the putsch becomes a reality. In the mean time, blog dog, I congratulate you for acting as a modern day Paul Revere.

===== unfortunately, the American people’s keisters are too firmly planted before a half-billion boob tubes (3 per family on average) too even rouse themselves to put out a kitchen fire, if the microwave were to unexpectedly explode.

I appreciate it, but can’t accept your congrats…that article is by Webster G. Tarpley, whose work I’ve been recommending at Truth Dig for over a year — the best of it is in his book “911 Synthetic Terror, Made in USA” http://www.amazon.com/9-11-Synthetic-Terror-Fourth/dp/0930852370 — scroll down to the review by fomer CIA analyst Robert D. Steele.

lectures here

short
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5411066230502138747&q=webster+tarpley++youtube&total=697&start=10&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=6

long
A/V
http://www.911busters.com/New_911_Evidence/WMV/Webster_Tarpley_NYC.wmv

audio only
http://www.911busters.com/New_911_Evidence/MP3/Webster_Tarpley_NYC.html

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By cyrena, July 26, 2007 at 11:30 pm Link to this comment

#89964 by Ernest Canning on 7/26 at 9:41 pm

Important question from Ernest Canning:

....“We all know Cheney is a cold, heartless bastard, but is he a sociopath of a magnitude that he would plot a nuclear explosion within a U.S. city so as to insure that no American would dare challenge the final destruction of our Constitutional Republic?  That would rank Cheney alongside Hitler and Stalin.  IS HE THAT RUTHLESS?”.....

ANSWER, in a word…YES, he IS.

A general stike…yes, if that could be arranged. Meantime, the impeachment procedure is our only real option. DEMAND IT!!!

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By cann4ing, July 26, 2007 at 10:41 pm Link to this comment

blog dog, your latest link to the article—“Cheney Determined to Strike US with WMD this Summer:  Only Impeachment, Removal or General Strike Can Stop Him”—is one of the scariest pieces I have yet to read.

The article quotes former Assistant Sec. of the Treasury from the Reagan administration, Paul Craig Roberts:  “Unless Congress immediately impeaches Bush and Cheney, a year from now the US could be a dictatorial police state at war with Iran.  Bush has put in place all the necessary measures for dictatorship in the form of ‘executive orders’ that are triggered whenever Bush declares a national emergency.  Recent statements by…Chertoff…suggest…Americans might expect a series of staged or false flag ‘terrorist’ events in the near future.”

The piece notes that Pat Buchanan, of all people, “is convinced…the danger of a new war provocation by Bush-Cheney will come in August, when the Democratic Congress will conveniently be out of Washington…”

Even former Secretary of State Zbigniew Brzezinsky joins the chorus warning a plot to stage a terrorist attack in the U.S. and blame it on Iran.

Are we to dismiss a former Secretary of State in the Carter administration and a former Assistant Secretary of State in the Reagan administration as wide-eyed, conspiracy theorists? 

We all know Cheney is a cold, heartless bastard, but is he a sociopath of a magnitude that he would plot a nuclear explosion within a U.S. city so as to insure that no American would dare challenge the final destruction of our Constitutional Republic?  That would rank Cheney alongside Hitler and Stalin.  Is he that ruthless?

Perhaps the American people might want to consider a general strike to force impeachment before the putch becomes a reality.

In the mean time, blog dog, I congratulate you for acting as a modern day Paul Revere.  The Bushies are coming!  The Bushies are coming!

This may sound strange, coming from an atheist, but God help us!

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By johnofportland, July 26, 2007 at 9:59 pm Link to this comment

SECOND SEND - WAKE UP - ALERT- “2. Last Week Bush came out with an Executive Order to ban all Iraq War Protests. According to this order he can have your assets and property seized for protesting the Iraq War.

This is outrageous. An executive order only becomes law if Congress doesn’t overturn it within thirty days after it is published in the Federal Register.

Tell your congress person that you want them to step up and put a stop to this.

Reach your representative at 202-224-3121.

After you get off the phone call both of your Senators at (202) 224-3121 and ask for your Senator’s office.”

We don’t have much time to fend this off.  Or, we may have ourselves to blame for sitting in a Halliburton internment camp wondering “where the yellow went.”

Refs:

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/8916

http://www.thehollywoodliberal.com/2007/07/23/time-for -all-of-us-to-take-action/

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By CaptainCanada, July 26, 2007 at 9:26 pm Link to this comment
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My dear Americans…when are you going to understand that there is a very simple reason why your President and does not wish to leave Iraq and why your Congress - recently elected with a Democratic majority - failed to oppose him when the most recent Iraq appropriations bill came forward: How are you going to invade Iran if you don’t use Iraq as the launching board? Despite the stance of the majority of Americans, your President and your Congress - Democrats and Republicans alike - are committed to attacking Iran sooner or later. Almost all of them receive funding from AIPAC and the Democratic party leadership made great pains to ensure that their most vociferous anti-war candidates didn’t even get nominated - squeezed out by pro-war candidates. In this the Democratic party and neo-Conservatives are in lock stop. Iran must be destroyed because it is a threat to….Israel. Not America…but to Israel. The same reason why you attacked Iraq. It is hard to imagine any other Western democratic country having as their most powerful and influential federal lobby group one that champions the interests of another country. They will not be finished until America is bankrupt; for that will be the price for Israeli security.

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By blog dog, July 26, 2007 at 8:07 pm Link to this comment

RE: “a general idea of what the hell is GOING ON!!!”

====== Bush takes orders from the shadows

RE: “oldest trick in the book”

====== Protection; and if you don’t believe you need it, just you wait and see

RE: “We can only hope that the president does not steer us into any additional wars.”

====== The Global War Of Terror is scheduled for 100 years.

RE:  “when the putsch comes, ...what, pray tell, are “We the People” to do?”

====== ???????? but if Congress doesn’t do something damn quick, the lot of them may be the first to get the midnight knock at the door.

http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/cgi-bin/blogs/voices.php/2007/07/22/cheney_determined_to_strike_in_us_with_w

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By cann4ing, July 26, 2007 at 7:56 pm Link to this comment

Cyrena, you make some excellent points as to what we should do “now.”  But my question goes beyond that.  Suppose, Paul Craig Roberts—the former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration who strongly believes that Cheney is ruthless and is planning to use executive orders to declare a “national emergency” in the event of another “terrorist incident”—is correct.  Suppose martial law is imposed, Congress is ordered to disband and severe restrictions on imposed on what can be said over the public airwaves.  What then do “We the People” do?  That is my question.

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By cyrena, July 26, 2007 at 7:44 pm Link to this comment

#89890 by Ernest Canning on 7/26 at 5:51 pm


....“I believe the greatest threat to the survival of our Republic comes from within, and I believe that the danger is both grave and immediate.  While democracy still exists, while we still have a First Amendment, I think this may be the most crucial discourse anyone who regards him or herself as a “citizen” can engage in.”....

I DITTO Ernest.

That said, I would second the request for options to the books, and the “spreading of the knowledge” and the motivation that comes from this discourse, that ALLOWS for, and makes a space for INFORMED DISSENT.

We see the damage done by intentionally misleading propaganda, and we see the damage done by the oldest trick in the book, which is to keep a population both divided and ignorant, ignorant to what’s going on -with each other- at our mass populace level, and ingnorant to what the “rulers” are up to as well.

It’s the divide and rule strategy now on steroids. And, the only way to even BEGIN addressing any “group solutions/actions” such as “we the people” kind of solutions, EVERYBODY needs to have a general idea of what the hell is GOING ON!!! So yes, this does help. And, it helps to have some familiarity with the rule of law, and the basic concepts of how our system of government is set-up, because it’s the only real tool that we have, to save ourselves.

So, if you haven’t signed a call for impeachment today, then get to it.

If you’re able to join any one of multiple demonstrations, then that’s even better.

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By coast contact, July 26, 2007 at 7:14 pm Link to this comment
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I read Robert Scheer’s commentary and then I read HEROES AND HISTORY
by David Brooks [http://www.isranet.org/picks_of_the_week.htm#heroes] and I wonder if these two writers are on the same planet.  If the David Brooks report is accurate than Robert Scheer’s commentary is pointless.  George W. Bush believes he is on the correct course.  He considers himself to be beyond, or is it above, the arguments about the Iraq War.  He sees himself as the leader of a free world that must convert the rest of the world to his view.

To answer Robert Scheer’s questions there is no disaster and therefore the message of poll ratings does not mean anything.  His view is he is the commander in chief and does not have to listen to anything Congress or the people say about this war.  Unless two thirds of the congress supports our withdrawal he will not even entertain this idea.  At that point I still doubt he would listen to the public.  It is not likely he will be impeached.  Such discussion is pointless.

We can only hope that the president does not steer us into any additional wars.

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By cann4ing, July 26, 2007 at 6:51 pm Link to this comment

So blog dog, when the putch comes, the national emergency is declared, martial law is declared, Congress is disbanded, and elections cancelled, what, pray tell, are “We the People” to do?  Any ideas, blog dog?  Anyone?

Note:  Lest any poster think I am attempting a bit of sarcasm, let me assure you I am not.  I believe the greatest threat to the survival of our Republic comes from within, and I believe that the danger is both grave and immediate.  While democracy still exists, while we still have a First Amendment, I think this may be the most crucial discourse anyone who regards him or herself as a “citizen” can engage in.

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By blog dog, July 26, 2007 at 6:47 pm Link to this comment

ADDITIONAL pertinent references to the Open Letter to Peter DeFazio
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Bush Directive for a “Catastrophic Emergency…”, Prof. Michel Chossudovsky -  http://www.globalresearch.ca/PrintArticle.php?articleId=6134
The “Use of the Armed Forces” in America under a National Emergency… - Prof. Michel Chossudovsky -  http://www.globalresearch.ca/PrintArticle.php?articleId=6169
Brzezinski Suggests False Flag Event Could Kick-Start Iran War -  http://www.nowpublic.com/brzezinski_suggests_false_flag_event_could_kick...
Wake-up Call: Watch for Another 911/WMD Experience, Paul C. Roberts -  http://www.vdare.com/roberts/070718_wakeup.htm
Impeach Bush and Cheney Now, Paul C. Roberts -
http://www.vdare.com/roberts/070715_impeach.htm

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By blog dog, July 26, 2007 at 6:46 pm Link to this comment

REFERENCES pertinent to the Open Letter to Peter DeFazio:

NATIONAL SECURITY PRESIDENTIAL DIRECTIVE/NSPD 51 -  http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/05/20070509-12.html
Message to the Congress of the United States Regarding International Emergency Economic Powers Act -  http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/07/20070717-4.html
USJFCOM gears up for Noble Resolve -  http://www.jfcom.mil/newslink/storyarchive/2007/pa033007.html
JFCOM brings virtual world closer to home -  http://www.fcw.com/article98147-04-04-07-Web

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By blog dog, July 26, 2007 at 6:44 pm Link to this comment

RE: #89866 by hardnose on 7/26 at 4:48 pm — “NO COMMON SENSE!”

in our neck of the woods — open letter to Rep. Peter DeFazio

abridged version below

July 24, 2007
Rep. Peter DeFazio
2134 Rayburn House Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20515-3704

Dear Congressman DeFazio:

The Oregonian recently reported on your investigation of President Bush’s “continuity of government” Executive Order, and on how the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) thwarted your request for details. As I am sure you are aware, DHS will be leading two emergency response drills in Portland over the next 3 months: “Noble Resolve” in August and “Top Off” in October. Just as you rightly sought details on the Bush Executive Order, Oregon citizens need and deserve information about these military exercises.

We are concerned that federal, state and local agencies will not plan and conduct these “terrorism drills” with sufficient transparency and public oversight. We propose the immediate formation of a Portland Citizens’ Oversight Committee to represent citizens’ interests.

Our initial research on the Top Off exercise revealed contradictory statements and a disturbing lack of openness on the part of local officials. The Top Off drill, which DHS calls a “terrorism drill” (but local officials refer to as an “emergency preparedness exercise”) will begin on approximately 10/5/07, to last for 9 to 10 days. Though Noble Resolve is scheduled for August, no similar details or schedule have been released.

With the Bush track record on disaster response and media manipulation, Oregonians are not naive enough to trust the Federal government to adequately inform and interact with Portland residents prior to these terrorism drills. Case in point, as of now, there has not even been an announcement about Noble Resolve, and it is due to take place in August, just days or weeks from now.

Another general concern is that the Mayor’s office seemed almost unaware of the recent Presidential Executive Orders: NSPD 51, 5/10/07, “... allows the sitting president to declare a “national emergency” without Congressional approval, leading to the de facto closing down of the Legislature and the militarization of justice and law enforcement”; and the amended International Emergency Economic Powers Act, 7/17/07, “allowing the US regime to seize the property of anyone found to be interfering with the reconstruction of Iraq.”

Thank you and we look forward to talking with you or a representative.

Best regards,
Informed Dissent

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By cann4ing, July 26, 2007 at 6:25 pm Link to this comment

hardnose, I am curious.  Would you please “identify” who it is that you regard as “the enemy.”

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By cyrena, July 26, 2007 at 5:54 pm Link to this comment

#89729 by straight_talk_11 on 7/26 at 10:06 am

•  ….”A public that wants the comfort of a warm place to live and comfort food to eat to the point of obesity, and sex if they can get it. The truth doesn’t fit in anywhere in that scenario. It’s not comfortable. They’d rather fear a non-existent enemy than recognize the real one is sitting at the pinnacle of power right here in the U.S.

Straight-talk11, Very powerful post, (and the TRUTH). This says it all. We are a public still in mass denial. I can’t say that it will change for the better, because it HASN’T…it’s only become worse!!!


Man oh man….

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By hardnose, July 26, 2007 at 5:48 pm Link to this comment

All I see on this site is book sense and severe cases of myopia and absolutely NO COMMON SENSE!

What are you going to do when the shit hits the fan, throw books at the enemy, quote statistics, poll tallies, send them to their corners for a “time out?”

Reminds me of a saying - “I see said the blind man to his deaf and dumb children.”

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By 1drees, July 26, 2007 at 3:59 pm Link to this comment
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God Help Humanity against the American-Zionist attack, i know that iraq, iran & others will Survive the Zionist attack But I Wish the Americans Had Better Chances. Good Luck to All Honest Americans!

ZIONISTS:Ones who believe they are the “only” humans(God’s"Chosen ones”)& rest is “Trash” to be consumed / used. MODUSOPERENDI:start as business and bilk the populations while laying down Organisations that are for (fake)trade & “our protection” whose actual purpose is surveillance & Harrassement of “nonZIONIST”. they keep screaming “Hitler’s holocaust, Hitler’s holocaust” while they been doing WORSE since 1948 in their Fanatic Fantasyland called Isreal aka “shitty little state”, armed with 300 nuclear bombs that they dont want to talk about.(these are peaceful people!lol) GOAL: creation of some nutty global empire based on pureness of “Chosen Ones” ENEMIES: anyone that does not Comply with them or their propaganda (is also branded an Antisemite & thoroughly harassed) NETWORK: global and very developed, a well oiled machine bent on EVIL. FEARS: “EVERYBODY is out to get us because we are GOOD!” this is the typical brainwash and then they
WHITEWASH real issues with PATRIOTIC LIES. Also intresting to note that Mr Vanunu who stated the true state of Israeli Nukes rots in jails since 2 decades for speaking the truth, hence we can safely conclude that TRUTH is definately not a passion in Israel. so GOD HELP ALL THAT COME IN CONTACT WITH ZIONISTS!  AMERICANS TRY AND GET RID OF YOUR ZIONIST MASTERS THAT DICTATE THE WHITE HOUSE, GOODLUCK!

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By blog dog, July 26, 2007 at 3:40 pm Link to this comment

RE: #89631 by GodSend on 7/25 at 11:45 pm — “Do yourself a favor and study my website http://novalight.org (including the links) thoroughly before you pass judgment…”

======= Judgement is not mine (neither to pass nor avoid). It is only to each one of us to judge ourselves. All these myths make for spectacular theatre but they don’t much impress me. The philosophical descendants of Abraham, unfortunately for all of us, are sold on these myths and convinced the universe revolves around them and they are thereby compelled to settle their differences through totalitarian means; i.e. you’re either with them or against them, and if it’s the latter you must then be smote.

This philosophical line and all its attendant myths are way too anti-humanistic for me. By contrast, the Buddha I find appealing. He simply imparts lessons to help one find inner peace. He knows there’s no God and instructs none to seek one; only to seek inner peace — the ultimate peace…the path over which no wars have ever been fought.

Of course, having said this, no doubt I’m now in line to be smote as well. But, whatever sort of comic book fate awaits me as per the comic book myths of the Abrahamic prophecies, has nothing to do with me, only with the disciples of Abraham. The best the rest of us can hope for is to somehow free ourselves of the detritus their madness leaves in its wake.

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By Trigger finger, July 26, 2007 at 2:55 pm Link to this comment
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His free fall started the day he was born! He might have been lovable as an infant but by the time he could walk and mumble and lie and cheat, any lovable died.

It’s not just him in his free fall, he is taking America down with him.

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By 1drees, July 26, 2007 at 2:34 pm Link to this comment
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ZIONISTS:Ones who believe they are the “only” humans(God’s"Chosen ones”)& rest is “Trash” to be consumed / used. MODUSOPERENDI:start as business and bilk the populations while laying down Organisations that are for (fake)trade & “our protection” whose actual purpose is surveillance & Harrassement of “nonZIONIST”. they keep screaming “Hitler’s holocaust, Hitler’s holocaust” while they been doing WORSE since 1948 in their Fanatic Fantasyland called Isreal aka “shitty little state”, armed with 300 nuclear bombs that they dont want to talk about.(these are peaceful people!lol) GOAL: creation of some nutty global empire based on pureness of “Chosen Ones” ENEMIES: anyone that does not Comply with them or their propaganda (is also branded an Antisemite & thoroughly harassed) NETWORK: global and very developed, a well oiled machine bent on EVIL. FEARS: “EVERYBODY is out to get us because we are good!” this is the typical brainwash and then they WHITEWASH real issues with PATRIOTIC LIES. Also intresting to note that Mr Vanunu who stated the true state of Israeli Nukes rots in jails since 2 decades for speaking the truth, hence we can safely conclude that TRUTH is definately not a passion in Israel. so GOD HELP ALL THAT COME IN CONTACT WITH ZIONISTS! God Help Humanity against the American-Zionist attack, i know that iraq, iran & others will Survive the Zionist attack But I Wish the Americans Had Better Chances. Good Luck to All Honest Americans!

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By Johnny Doughey, July 26, 2007 at 1:59 pm Link to this comment

there is no admitting any mistake when you find yourself being a martyr for your maker.
The folks without weapons believe they are martyring themselves with their lives (and the lives of many innocent victims).
Bush believe he is martyring himself with a loss of prestige (and the lives of many innocent victims).
The problem, as I see it, is that many bystanders see a big difference between the two.
The DSM IV lists them both as mental illnesses…

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By straight_talk_11, July 26, 2007 at 11:06 am Link to this comment

Most people have a need for a security blanket a la Linus of Peanuts fame. That blanket is typically their staunch belief in what their whitewashed elementary school textbooks said about history, what the mainstream media say, and the five-minute newscasts say, half of which they ignore because it’s not an accident or catastrophe or a local basketball score.

Most can’t even find Iraq on a map with the country names on it. Add to that reading comprehension that approaches nil and you have what we’ve got: a public that wants the comfort of a warm place to live and comfort food to eat to the point of obesity, and sex if they can get it. The truth doesn’t fit in anywhere in that scenario. It’s not comfortable. They’d rather fear a non-existent enemy than recognize the real one is sitting at the pinnacle of power right here in the U.S.

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By straight_talk_11, July 26, 2007 at 10:39 am Link to this comment

To expat:
There is an old saying my father used to repeat occasionally that underscores the significance of your good post.

“A man convinced against his will
Is of the same opinion still.”

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By straight_talk_11, July 26, 2007 at 10:35 am Link to this comment

Thank you, Cerena et al! I knew from the beginning, too, of course. I just frequently used language in my post that identified “we” with the U.S. public as a whole. I speak fluent Spanish, have lived outside the U.S. and been exposed to other cultures enough to have known long ago all the shenanigans we and our CIA have been up to.

I also have a clear understanding of the utter hypocrisy behind the DEA and what our real positions are concerning drugs. We have too many of our evil traditional “friends” (for which you qualify if you’re simply an enemy of our enemies like Hussein against Iran) making their living that way to sincerely attempt to do anything sensible and practical about drugs.

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By denk, July 26, 2007 at 10:26 am Link to this comment

#89615 by straight_talk_11 on 7/25 at 9:07 pm
(169 comments total)

**They laugh and jeer at us just like Bush did at Tucker because we’re such suckers. We fall for all their idiotic propaganda. We believed the biased junk the media was feeding us about their war.**

Wars No More


**They just wanted a perpetual war to order and they got it. That gives the executive more power in perpetuum than any other condition would permit, and they want more! We need to wake up and get our government back! We have been suckers! **

how can we do nuthin when those “ragheads” are slaughtering them blacks in darfur?

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