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King George W.:  James Madison’s Nightmare

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Posted on Jul 17, 2007
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By Robert Scheer

George W. Bush is the imperial president that James Madison and other founders of this great republic warned us about.  He lied the nation into precisely the “foreign entanglements” that George Washington feared would destroy the experiment in representative government, and he has championed a spurious notion of security over individual liberty, thus eschewing the alarms of Thomas Jefferson as to the deprivation of the inalienable rights of free citizens.  But most important, he has used the sledgehammer of war to obliterate the separation of powers that James Madison enshrined in the U.S. Constitution.

With the “war on terror,” Bush has asserted the right of the president to wage war anywhere and for any length of time, at his whim, because the “terrorists” will always provide a convenient shadowy target.  Just the “continual warfare” that Madison warned of in justifying the primary role of Congress in initiating and continuing to finance a war—the very issue now at stake in Bush’s battle with Congress.

In his “Political Observations,” written years before he served as fourth president of the United States, Madison went on to underscore the dangers of an imperial presidency bloated by war fever.  “In war,” Madison wrote in 1795, at a time when the young republic still faced its share of dangerous enemies, “the discretionary power of the Executive is extended ... and all the means of seducing the minds are added to those of subduing the force, of the people.”

How remarkably prescient of Madison to anticipate the specter of our current King George imperiously undermining Congress’ attempts to end the Iraq war.  When the prime author of the U.S. Constitution explained why that document grants Congress—not the president—the exclusive power to declare and fund wars, Madison wrote, “A delegation of such powers [to the president] would have struck, not only at the fabric of our Constitution, but at the foundation of all well organized and well checked governments.”

Because “[n]o nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare,” Madison urged that the constitutional separation of powers he had codified be respected.  “The Constitution expressly and exclusively vests in the Legislature the power of declaring a state of war ... the power of raising armies,” he wrote.  “The separation of the power of raising armies from the power of commanding them is intended to prevent the raising of armies for the sake of commanding them.”

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That last sentence perfectly describes the threat of what President Dwight Eisenhower, 165 years later, would describe as the “military-industrial complex,” a permanent war economy feeding off a permanent state of insecurity.  The collapse of the Soviet Union deprived the military profiteers and their handsomely rewarded cheerleaders in the government of a raison d’être for the massive war economy supposedly created in response to it.  Fortunately for them, Bush found in the 9/11 attack an excuse to make war even more profitable and longer lasting.  The Iraq war, which the president’s 9/11 Commission concluded never had anything to do with the terrorist assault, nonetheless has transferred many hundreds of billions in taxpayer dollars into the military economy.  And when Congress seeks to exercise its power to control the budget, this president asserts that this will not govern his conduct of the war.

There never was a congressional declaration of war to cover the invasion of Iraq.  Instead, President Bush acted under his claimed power as commander in chief, which the Supreme Court has held does allow him to respond to a “state of war” against the United States.  That proviso was clearly a reference to surprise attacks or sudden emergencies.

The problem is that the “state of war” in question here was an al-Qaida attack on the U.S. that had nothing whatsoever to do with Saddam Hussein’s Iraq.  Perhaps to spare Congress the embarrassment of formally declaring war against a nation that had not attacked America, Bush settled for a loosely worded resolution supporting his use of military power if Iraq failed to comply with U.N. mandates.  This was justified by the White House as a means of strengthening the United Nations in holding Iraq accountable for its WMD arsenal, but as most of the world looked on in dismay, Bush invaded Iraq after U.N. inspectors on the ground discovered that Iraq had no WMD.

Bush betrayed Congress, which in turn betrayed the American people—just as Madison feared when he wrote: “Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded, because it compromises and develops the germ of every other.”

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By Inherit The Wind, July 26, 2007 at 10:02 am Link to this comment
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DogShit
(I now have dyslexia—at least for your handle)
You’ve reached new lows of personal cowardice:
The statements I made about you are compliments, relatively speaking, in light of your evil nature. So I didn’t flame you - I simply revealed truth!

By your own logic, I’ve never flamed you at all—I SIMPLY REVEALED TRUTH!

If YOU are a “Christian” and YOU are what God treasures, then we TRULY live in an insane universe.

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By GodSend, July 26, 2007 at 8:46 am Link to this comment

Oh, Windbag! Every post that you make here adds more fuel to the flaming fire which proves that you are a Windbag! The hot and foul air you expel continuously can only come from an agnostic hell in your mind and heart. The statements I made about you are compliments, relatively speaking, in light of your evil nature. So I didn’t flame you - I simply revealed truth!

When God flames the likes of you, who deny His existence (it’s the same as questioning His existence), it simply means that His promises will be fulfilled. I’m not making any of this up, really!

Get help from the only ONE Who can help you - before it’s too late! SEEing a shrink is not a bad idea, either wink Friendly advice like this is not flaming smile

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By the 1Sgt, July 25, 2007 at 5:03 am Link to this comment

#89326 by Expat on 7/25 at 3:49 am
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#89249 by the 1Sgt on 7/24 at 6:37 pm
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Yeah, sarge, you’re right and it is
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What is it like for you, you know when you see American SUVs in town with BUSH 04 stickers?

[smile]

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By Inherit The Wind, July 25, 2007 at 5:01 am Link to this comment
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T…E… on 7/24 at 4:13 pm
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Inherit the wind…
Godsend didn’t claim to be a lawyer. If you read the post, Godsend was quoting someone else.

T.E.

You are correct. I missed that—GodSend doesn’t have the intellectual skills to be even a bad lawyer—he’s too busy threatening me with damnation and drooling over the idea of Israel being destroyed by old Soviet mega-ton warheads.

Expat:  Once again you jump right to the heart of the matter—conspiracy buffs can’t STAND the idea that the Twin Towers came down exactly the way the official reports say they did—and that Arab fanatics could be smart enough, determined enough, clever enough, and vicious enough to do it.

No matter WHAT facts you bring you, they will be countered by “facts” from the tin-foil gangs’ conspiracy sites—which have as much validity as Pierre Sallinger’s pathetic attempt to “prove” Flight 800 was shot down by a missile.

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By Expat, July 25, 2007 at 4:49 am Link to this comment

#89249 by the 1Sgt on 7/24 at 6:37 pm
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Yeah, sarge, you’re right and it is.

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By Expat, July 25, 2007 at 4:40 am Link to this comment

#89275 by cyrena on 7/24 at 8:12 pm
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#89085 by Expat on 7/24 at 7:14 am

EXPAT: you’re mostly right, but partially wrong.

You are always considerate in your answers including to me…thank you.

In the kindest words and regards…you don’t know of what you speak regarding physics and the collapse of the twin towers.  As an engineer, I do have a clue.  You have been mislead by whacko’s regardless of their credentials.  The two towers were not brought down by controlled demolition, period! 
I will not debate this further. Building 7?  Maybe, and I won’t debate this either, because…it’s just not relevant at this point…please don’t get stuck there…it’s time to move on.

One more “fact”...not too long after the attack, Bin Laden himself spoke on a video of the attack “HE” and others planned.  He remarked that the attack was more successful than even he expected (he was in the “building business” before changing careers).

Okay, did Bush and the others co-ordinate with him (Bin Laden) for the exact moment the planes would hit the towers?  I have a vivid imagination and could take this around the galaxy…but I prefer the logic of Occam’s Razor for reality and reason and I might add sanity..

Last comment; I say this with great fear and trepidation because all is nearly lost, but if you and the others stay stuck here and can’t move on then you will be truly lost.  Beware of belief, any belief…it’s a trap and obviates critical thinking and thereby the application of intelligence.  Please, don’t embarrass yourself by adopting someone else’s ideas without carefully investigating their reasoning.  Credentials don’t guarantee competence or anything else.  So I say to you; focus on the task at hand; the future is the key, know what matters and don’t stop.  If you find my words valuable then fine, if not, so be it.

Peace

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By cyrena, July 24, 2007 at 9:12 pm Link to this comment

#89085 by Expat on 7/24 at 7:14 am

EXPAT: you’re mostly right, but partially wrong.


•  Ya’all have been spinning yourselves into a conspiracy frenzy which may exist but not as you have spun it; which means you have been distracted from the real danger.

I have to agree with you here, about a conspiracy frenzy, though I believe that it’s because our whole system/existence as a nation has been a series of conspiracies, and in respect to 9-11, there IS in fact a major “conspiracy” though admittedly, it hasn’t been “spun” much in the direction of trying to figure it out. So, yes, there’s definitely an existing conspiracy, but you’re right that it has been a distraction from the real danger, which has always been the White House (and other properties owned by the same inhabitants). And, we’ve been much distracted by all of these and other things, which has also been pretty intentional as well.

•  911 was, as seen, on the news…the towers came down because of the planes.  Do not waste your precious little time on this tripe; building seven…forget it…the real and present danger sits in the white house.

On this, you’re assessment is incomplete, making it partially wrong. It’s true that we saw on the news, that two of those 4 hijacked airplanes hit those towers. We all saw it. Some people were actually there, and lived to say that they saw the same. So, we can all assume that those airplanes did hit at least two of the WTC towers on 9-11. That is –NOT- however, what brought them down. Those towers were obviously brought down the same way that controlled demolitions are accomplished, because it’s against the law of physics, to suggest that the airplanes caused the result that we all saw. An impossibility. So, the airplanes were there, but simply NOT the cause of the fact that the towers turned to dust.

Aside from that, I agree that it is in part, just a distraction, (although there are worse distractions) because the real and present danger has ALWAYS been at the White House, at least since The Coup of 2000, and it’s only become more and more desperate. I can’t say I blame you for leaving.

•  You like to refer to Germany…pre WWII, and yet you don’t see….you’re there.  Fix it or get out before you can’t.

This too, is very much on target advice. We ARE there…I’ve been watching it coming, and yelling into the wind of course, because far too many of my fellow citizens couldn’t see it. More do now, but you’re right…too many of us have already been drug over the cliff.

STILL, many of us HAVE taken to the streets…and always PEACEFULLY I might add. But only a handful, compared to our numbers as a nation. Mostly it’s just us old-times and students, doing the best we can. I admit that isn’t enough. Not even close.

It’s very distressing, and you’re also right…without a very quick fix, I don’t know that we can save it.

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By 911truthdotorg, July 24, 2007 at 8:50 pm Link to this comment

It’s all in the deformed, mutated evil bush gene pool.

Bush’s Grandfather Attempted Coup on American President

Apparently, George W. Bush’s grandfather, Prescott Bush, was part of a right-wing conspiracy to overthrow FDR and institute a fascist government.

The BBC has the goods.

“Documentuncovers details of a planned coup in the USA in 1933 by a group of right-wing American businessmen.

The coup was aimed at toppling President Franklin D Roosevelt with the help of half-a-million war veterans. The plotters, who were alleged to involve some of the most famous families in America, (owners of Heinz, Birds Eye, Goodtea, Maxwell Hse & George Bush’s Grandfather, Prescott) believed that their country should adopt the policies of Hitler and Mussolini to beat the great depression.

Mike Thomson investigates why so little is known about this biggest ever peacetime threat to American democracy.”

Google videos:
9/11 Press for Truth, Loose Change 2nd Edition, America: Freedom to Fascism

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By Hank, July 24, 2007 at 7:44 pm Link to this comment
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Folks ! Most of you are still talking a good game about the loss of democracy in the USA. You are still playing"The blame Game”.  You blame the NeoCon , Zionists, and the Axis of evil. How about blaming youself for the demise of our Constitution?This current generation of Americans have succumbed for the last 25 years by the on-slaught of government driven news, happy news, happy news,. ABC, NBC, CNN, CBS and the “King of Happy Talk”, Fox.  Young Folks, you have become good soldiers for the elite NEOCONS. You have become lazy, drugged and soft. Your goals are material things. You accept greed, power and money as a model for success. Try doing something for the good of the people and the Country!  “It is not what your country can do for you- but what you can do for your country”.  Folks , regardless of color, faith, or income you need to unite.  We need to have mass demonstration in all our major cities.  Solidarity will win out.  Trust me!  It worked for Martin Luther King, Mahatma Gandhi, Steel workers of America, coal miners, garment workers, and hundreds of other associations. There is nothing more powerful than a million workers unified and protesting. Did you know what stopped the War in Vietnam?  Protest- Baby. Lets do it peacefully.

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By the 1Sgt, July 24, 2007 at 7:37 pm Link to this comment

#89085 by Expat on 7/24 at 7:14 am
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My moniker is Expat because I have quit America.  I won’t return because it’s finished, done, gone! 

You refuse to go to the streets…I have railed and railed and this is really it…I’m done…don’t waste you’re precious time savaging me…I don’t count for shit…I would have stayed and fought as I did in the Nam era, but today, I would feel naked standing alone on the street and would be arrested as the madman I am!.

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What you see today most Americans will never see unless they live on the other side of the oceans. Pretty scary huh?

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By T...E..., July 24, 2007 at 5:13 pm Link to this comment
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Inherit the wind…
Godsend didn’t claim to be a lawyer. If you read the post, Godsend was quoting someone else.

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By Inherit The Wind, July 24, 2007 at 2:48 pm Link to this comment
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GodSend on 7/24 at 12:46 pm
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Windbag, I didn’t flame you - God, however, will flame you! wink

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You are lying “GodSend”—even as you call me “Windbag” that’s a flame.

“obviously to fill up with hot air, judging from his latest blow-off. Windbag, it’s not possible to answer your lunatic ravings seriously. You are ready for a padded cell!”

Bad news: That’s a flame and you are lying when you say you aren’t flaming me. Add that to your list of personal sins to ask forgiveness for!

OTOH:
You mean even though I’m insane (according to you) and not responsible for my actions God’s gonna flame me?

What kind of God do YOU have?  Or, more accurately, how badly do you misunderstand Him?

Even we mere mortals don’t hold the insane responsible for their actions. Didn’t you ever hear of “Not Guilty by Reason of Insanity”?  Don’t you think God heals the mentally ill in the afterlife?  Or do you think he punishes people for things that aren’t their fault?

You can’t have it both ways: If I’m gonna be punished after I die then I must be sane.  If I’m crazy then I’m not responsible for my actions, so why would God punish me?

Didn’t you say you used to be a lawyer?  Can’t you say the huge gaping contradiction in your own feeble excuse for logic.  I’ll bet you were a really shitty lawyer, too.

Do yourself (and me) a favor you smug, pompous jackass and worry about your own corrupt soul. You don’t need to worry about mine and your CONTINUAL threats of divine retribution falling on me proves you have none of the “grace” you claim.

Do yourself a favor: Step away from the keyboard, stand up, go outside and breathe some fresh air and get some nice sunshine.

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By T...E..., July 24, 2007 at 2:11 pm Link to this comment
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Cyrena
My question was rhetorical. The same freedoms the current administration claim “terrorists hate” ARE the same ones Bush Co. want to take away. During the “revolutionary” war, the colonists were regarded as “terrorists and insurgents”. Hitler also referred to the French Underground as “terrorists.” As to comparing Bush to Hitler, Bush may not be advocating something as barbaric as “the final solution”, there are still too many parallels to ignore. The rhetoric is the same.

Expat
Like you, I have abandoned being American because of this spiralling nightmare. Fear or Freedom, Americans have to choose one. Fortunately, I’m a dual citizen, so I’m not without a country.

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By GodSend, July 24, 2007 at 1:46 pm Link to this comment

Windbag, I didn’t flame you - God, however, will flame you! wink

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By Inherit The WInd, July 24, 2007 at 10:11 am Link to this comment
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GodSend on 7/23 at 8:15 pm
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It seems that Windbag has been away for a while - obviously to fill up with hot air, judging from his latest blow-off. Windbag, it’s not possible to answer your lunatic ravings seriously. You are ready for a padded cell!

*****
“THAR SHE FLAMES!”

I predicted that would be GodSend’s reaction.

I’m sure you are going to trash the daylights out of me and flame me with a blow torch…I expect it, you’ll deliver it, Big F’ing Deal!

You really don’t have any orginality, do you? Gee, I wonder how much more vicious you’d be if you didn’t have Jesus in your life to keep you loving your fellow humans. ROFLMAO at your blatant hypocricy!

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By Inherit The Wind, July 24, 2007 at 9:56 am Link to this comment
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This, like many Truthdig articles, has become a chat-room.  Ya’all have been spinning yourselves into a conspiracy frenzy which may exist but not as you have spun it; which means you have been distracted from the real danger.

I will not begin to itemize this constant descending into Faustian Hell, but you miss the force for the trees.  911 was, as seen, on the news…the towers came down because of the planes.  Do not waste your precious little time on this tripe; building seven…forget it…the real and present danger sits in the white house.  See it or don’t!

Expat:  This is as brilliant and succinct a clarification as can be made!

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By Expat, July 24, 2007 at 8:14 am Link to this comment

This, like many Truthdig articles, has become a chat-room.  Ya’all have been spinning yourselves into a conspiracy frenzy which may exist but not as you have spun it; which means you have been distracted from the real danger.

I will not begin to itemize this constant descending into Faustian Hell, but you miss the force for the trees.  911 was, as seen, on the news…the towers came down because of the planes.  Do not waste your precious little time on this tripe; building seven…forget it…the real and present danger sits in the white house.  See it or don’t!  My moniker is Expat because I have quit America.  I won’t return because it’s finished, done, gone!  You like to refer to Germany…pre WWII, and yet you don’t see….you’re there.  Fix it or get out before you can’t.
You refuse to go to the streets…I have railed and railed and this is really it…I’m done…don’t waste you’re precious time savaging me…I don’t count for shit…I would have stayed and fought as I did in the Nam era, but today, I would feel naked standing alone on the street and would be arrested as the madman I am!.

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By cyrena, July 24, 2007 at 1:22 am Link to this comment

P.T…your question:

If “the terrorists hate our freedoms” why are Bush and Co. doing their dirty work and relieving us of our freedoms?
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These aren’t the same “freedoms”. The terrorists hate the “freedoms” that we take on THEIR space, they really don’t CARE what we do over here.

So, the freedoms that you’re talking about, our freedoms over here, that’s a whole different tune. It’s Dick Bush who hates THOSE freedoms, and that’s why they’ve been ripping up all those parts of the constitution.

So, obviously, since we’re talking about a different collection of “freedoms”, we’re also talking about a different set of “terrorists” as well.

The terrorists who hate our freedoms here at home, are doing all of the dirty work themselves. And, they haven’t minded a bit, until maybe now that they are so close to having the whole thing explode in their faces.

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By cyrena, July 23, 2007 at 9:58 pm Link to this comment

#88843 by Ernest Canning on 7/23 at 9:03 am

Ernest,

Thanks so much for the very valuable mini-lecture and/or refresher course. Specifically:

•  We are witnessing the end stages of a counter-revolution that has been going on for decades.  Much of it can be found in the writings of Robert Bork, dating back to when he was a Solicitor General in the Nixon administration—before his role in “the Saturday Night Massacre” made him a household name.  Bork is the founder of the radically subversive “Federalist Society.”

For whatever the reason, I never knew that Bork was the founder of the “Federalist Society”. (far more dangerous than the “Skull ‘n Bones” crowd, although I’m sure there are dual memberships among them).

Anyway, thanks for the analysis.

(PS…we the people are proceeding with the impeachment procedure without the Congressional Table. We found another table, and we already have our own copies of the manual, so it’s like time to roll….)

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By GodSend, July 23, 2007 at 9:15 pm Link to this comment

It seems that Windbag has been away for a while - obviously to fill up with hot air, judging from his latest blow-off. Windbag, it’s not possible to answer your lunatic ravings seriously. You are ready for a padded cell!

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By DennisD, July 23, 2007 at 8:23 pm Link to this comment
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Separating fact from fiction and truth from reality is all well and good. The latest opinion poll pretty much confirms the average American has caught on. The problem is that Congress by doing nothing to impeach these scumbags has condoned everything they’ve done and allowed them to continue to stretch the boundaries to find out where the breaking point is. When they do find it, it may be too late for everyone. The big lie to get us into Iraq came from Bu$h Inc., the big cover up to keep us there couldn’t happen without the help of Congress which has done nothing to stop it. They’ve enabled and abetted everything Bu$h Inc. has done every step of the way.
No wonder why they’re not anxious to start impeachment proceedings - they realize they’re all guilty as hell.

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By T...E..., July 23, 2007 at 6:47 pm Link to this comment
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If “the terrorists hate our freedoms” why are Bush and Co. doing their dirty work and relieving us of our freedoms?

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By cann4ing, July 23, 2007 at 10:03 am Link to this comment

ocjim: The notion that Bush is “now making plays to increase his power” understates the gravity of the danger.  We are witnessing the end stages of a counter-revolution that has been going on for decades.  Much of it can be found in the writings of Robert Bork, dating back to when he was a Solicitor General in the Nixon administration—before his role in “the Saturday Night Massacre” made him a household name.  Bork is the founder of the radically subversive “Federalist Society.”  His protege, Justice Samuel Alito, invented “Unitary Executive” theory in 1985—the concept that advances the notion that the executive has the exclusive right to determine the boundaries of his own power (thereby overturning the pillar of American Constitutional law that dates back to the 1803 Marbury vs. Madison decision which ruled that constitutional interpretation is a “judicial” function.  Under this “theory” it is meaningless to ask whether the President is above the law.  The Unitary Executive “is” the law.

“Unitary Executive” theory is the underlying basis for the now more than 1000 presidential signing statements, the torture memos, the warrantless NSA electronic eavesdropping and now the directive that once the president asserts “executive privilege” the Justice Department is barred from seeking to enforce contempt of Congress citations in court.

The more recent executive orders purporting to grant the “Unitary Executive” the authority to declare martial law in the event of another “terrorist incident” appear to deliver the final hammer blow to the documentknown as the Constitution of the United States.  The light of liberty is flickering, endanger of going out permanently, and yet the Democratic “leadership,” like the hapless Social Democrats in the waning days of Germany’s Weimar Republic, don’t even suspect there is a danger as they quietly spend all their spare time trolling for corporate dollars in the election.  Impeachment, the one tool left to them to prevent the putch, is not even “on-the-table.”

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By Inherit The Wind, July 23, 2007 at 9:08 am Link to this comment
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What is of the UTMOST importance to me with regard to 9/11 is the EXPOSURE to the light of those Zionists (and their sympathizers) who ‘pulled off’ 9/11 to justify subsequent actions to take control of America and destroy it! Their gameplan has been working for MANY years (read Benjamin Freedman’s 1961 and 1974 speeches). Unless they are (1) exposed and then (2) resisted (possibly stopped), the onslaught will continue until we are all enslaved or worse.

I’m not interested in tracking down every little detail about what exactly happened on 9/11 and how it happened.

GodSend: Thanks for posting this.  This is a solid, hard-core admission by you that you don’t give a flying F*** about the facts and the evidence—You already “know” the “truth” because you think your invisible friend is talking to you and telling you to hate all Jews, but to try to hide it behind calling them all “Zionists”.

You are an anti-semitic bigotted nazi who doesn’t give a rat’s ass about the truth as long as you can blame Jews for the problems of the world.

You claim you “practiced” law.  I guess you didn’t practice long enough or hard enough, because your arguing technique is pure amateurish bullshit—homilies, metaphors, “evidence” without provenence, and then, when you are challenged on it (like now), you respond with a disgusting torrent of abuse that NO TRUE Christian I have ever met would even consider.  You include threats of damnation and hellfire and even imply that you are going to act as God’s Arm…scary stuff.

I’m sure you are going to trash the daylights out of me and flame be with a blow torch…I expect it, you’ll deliver it, Big F’ing Deal!

Try to have a nice day.

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By Goffredo, July 23, 2007 at 9:00 am Link to this comment

This clip still scares the holy crap out of me:

http://www.truthdig.com/avbooth/item/cheney_hides_in_the_bushes/


When will the first scary thriller movie be made where Dick Cheney is the monster?

Possible titles:

DC never smiles twice

Nightmare on Pennsylvania Avenue: Tricky Dicky

Dirty Dick: Constitutional Toilet Paper

Dick Shaft: “I’m gonna git you Valerie”

Dickinator 3: The Rise of Illegal Wiretappings

Hannibal Cheney and The Silence of Democracy
(“I ate the constitution with some fava beans and a nice chianti”)

Cheney’s Play: Condi Rice, Bride of Cheney

Cheney’s Play 2: Seeds of Fascism


Feel free to add any other possible titles…

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By Terrence Sullivan, July 23, 2007 at 7:43 am Link to this comment
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George W. Bush has been a failure at nearly everything he has been associated with. As described by many “born on third base and he thinks he hit a triple”.  Born with silver spoon in his mouth and not an ounce of brain he becomes a favorite as a “good ole boy”. After failing at every business prior to the plum of the White House job. The guileless nitwit falls into hands of a not so benevolent Carl Rove. Rove with a sadistic, mean spiritedness that he didn’t have to work on because it came naturally to him. Manipulative, vindictive, dishonest but with guile as opposed to the country nitwit he steers around the tough obstacles in life like mastering the English lanquaqe. If the country nitwit was honest and likable at one point in his life he quickly lost that after sleeping with Rove. Now this country nitwit will/has gone down in American history as the worst President that this country has ever offered to the American people and the world.  This fraud now is the liar and pawn of a Neocon “Pax Americana” which falls on its proverbial face causing more harm and injury to the American image of fairness and honesty. Doing the right and good thing is not now associated with the American image.  Its now associated with our overindulgence and gluttonous appetite for material things .... not just material things but other peoples/nations material things.  I hope somewhere in the future we are able to regain the respect of the world. It will be a difficult task and one that I believe will take several future administrations to make right if it is possible at all to regain the goodwill we had after 9/11.  It is incredible how this fraudulent bunch in this adminsitration squandered away what could have been instead of what presently is.  Too think that this was “the best we have to offer the people of America and the world” makes me feel ashamed and sickened. George you now have your legacy as probably the grandest failure ever and your good friends Rove and his henchmen/henchwomen and “NeedleDick” Cheney are going to slip out the backdoor and leave you holding the bag. You country Nitwit.

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By cyrena, July 23, 2007 at 12:21 am Link to this comment

#88693 by Dale Headley on 7/22 at 11:52 am

Dale….This is great
•  I long for the day when George Bush, along with paramour, Condoleeza Rice, are cornered in their underground bunker in the “Reichstag on the Potomac” and together take poison before the American People break in to lynch them
I see a couple of similarities to Hitler’s end. Didn’t he like marry his long time paramour, and then the next day, they committed suicide? Or, he did…because he knew it was the end. I don’t know. Just seems like I read that somewhere.

Anyway, I wonder if there’s any way to rush this along a bit? I mean, I long for the day myself, but only if they have Cheney with them. I don’t know how that would work out.

I’m very fearful of something happening to george, before we can get cheney disarmed. I don’t know why, there’s really no difference anyway.

Cheney has always been in charge, and there hasn’t been a damn thing Condi can do about it.

She has no power. She’s just a lacky. A dangerous one no doubt, since she’s managed to do nothing more than piss-off the rest of world, which is exactly the opposite of course, of what a Secretary of State is expected to accomplish. So, we should probably expect your vision to come along, hopefully sooner than later.

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By farmertx, July 22, 2007 at 5:23 pm Link to this comment

leefeller,
There’s a ggrain of truth in that. But, basically, Shrub is dumber than the average stump. Were it not for Der Karl telling him what to say and when to say it, he would still be raising funds for the GOP.
Heck, while he was Governor of Texas, his daddy had to call in friends to tutor the boy on what he should have learned in collage.
Even now, when he has an impromptu news conference, he is stammering and stuttering all over the place.
Without a script, Teleprompter or a ‘tailor’s mistake’ on his back he is helpless in trying to make a complete sentence in one try.

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By Leefeller, July 22, 2007 at 4:10 pm Link to this comment

Bush’s “Aw shucks” persona is not ignorance but manipulated just right, us to believe it is ignorance. . Mean while he dismantles the Constitution and takes away our rights.

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By archeon of thrace, July 22, 2007 at 2:59 pm Link to this comment

Complain all you want about Bush, the American people elected him - with the full understanding of who stands with him in the halls of power.  The american people are to blame.

“We rarely get the government we want but rather the government we deserve.”

The conspiracy theorists who have posted here are just a dangerous!  This current government isn’t particularly evil, it is particualarly stupid.  George, Dick, Rummey, Wolfowitz, Pearl, all….make the mistake of believing propaganda is truth - even thier self generated propaganda.  The posiblility of a dictatorial martial take over is real, not because this is what these buffons had planed, but because they know it is the only way to keep the truth about thier actions secret.  They know that after the defeat of neo-conservatives in the next election, the political bloodletting will begin - and no one will be safe.

All hail Ceasar! Where is Brutus when we need him?

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By Dale Headley, July 22, 2007 at 12:52 pm Link to this comment
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I long for the day when George Bush, along with paramour, Condoleeza Rice, are cornered in their underground bunker in the “Reichstag on the Potomac” and together take poison before the American People break in to lynch them

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By kikz, July 22, 2007 at 12:08 pm Link to this comment
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BUSH EXECUTIVE ORDER 7/17/07
Asset Confiscation for Dissent

Since the Federal Register Disposition Tables are in lag back to Jan07, we must rely on the WH news release for verification of the 7/17 EO.

7/17/07
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/r…20070717- 3.html
property confiscation for dissent

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By 911truthdotorg, July 22, 2007 at 11:57 am Link to this comment

Here’s an extremely disturbing article:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070722/ap_on_hi_te/chipping_america;_ylt=AnHSUOtzrB5hQxAMRIGVnaLMWM0F

This very topic is covered in this Google video:
America: Freedom to Fascism

Other Google videos:
9/11 Press for Truth, Loose Change 2nd Edition

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By GodSend, July 22, 2007 at 11:08 am Link to this comment

SH:

The evildoers (Bushco and other Zionists) and enlightened Americans live in separate universes. It’s not so much a matter of what (most) Americans think, it’s a matter of what a critical mass of Americans are willing to DO to drag the evildoers out of their fantasyland and into reality. The real problem is that the Zionist web has been spun so tightly and so pervasively that it’s tough to find an escape - a procedural ‘legal’ escape, anyway. All the exits SEEM to be blocked - elections, the Courts, the MSM, realistic political alternatives, etc. Notice I used the word SEEM. wink There will be an answer, let it be!

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By mageduley, July 22, 2007 at 11:03 am Link to this comment
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Göring: Why, of course, the people don’t want war. Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece. Naturally, the common people don’t want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship.

• Gilbert: There is one difference. In a democracy, the people have some say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the United States only Congress can declare wars.

• Göring: Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country

Hermann Göring, Nazi Reichsmarshall and Luftwaffe-Chief - Interview in his jail cell during Nurenburg War Trials
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Hermann_Göring

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By Hammo, July 22, 2007 at 10:43 am Link to this comment

Americans are more intelligent than they are given credit for.

Polls indicate that many of the attempts at psychological manipulation by the Bush-Cheney administration about the invasion and occupation of Iraq have been unsuccessful.

Even though some of our news media and many of our leaders seem corrupt, and we have been subjected to lies and deception, the American people apparently can perceive much of the truth of the situation.

Food for thought in the articles ...

“Americans felt turning points on Vietnam, Iraq wars in ‘70, ‘07” (American Chronicle, July 11, 2007)

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=31984

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“‘Dumbing down’ of Americans may not be working: More intelligence emerges” (American Chronicle, June 12, 2007)

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=29479

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By GodSend, July 22, 2007 at 10:25 am Link to this comment

PS The Bible says that the evidence for the existence God is all around us! Even if it’s all ‘circumstantial’, it is nevertheless overwhelming! Some people just choose to ignore the evidence - just like they choose to ignore the evidence that 9/11 was perpetrated by a bunch of crazed (more than 19!) Zionists wink

There will come a time when the evidence about God, Truth and 9/11 will be INCONTROVERTIBLE! smile

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By GodSend, July 22, 2007 at 9:47 am Link to this comment

I’m going to post something here from an anonymous poster on another Blog. It is a brilliant piece of analysis and directed at those who insist on waiting for ‘hard evidence’ (as opposed to overwhelming ‘circumstantial evidence’) of what happened on 9/11 before declaring their willingness to ACCEPT truth and, more importantly, to ACT. Here it is:

I practiced law (by working for the gov) for three years back in the late ‘70s, and just before that I “became a lawyer,” and just before that I went to law school.

I had one professor, for Evidence, who was a big human being. His name was Ivan Rutledge, half-brother to a former Supreme Court justice.

He had some deep insights about the nature of evidence that were very unpopular with many students because they were insights into human reality rather than being sound-bites that would help someone pass the bar exam.

One such unpopular viewpoint had to do with “circumstantiality.” He said that in the practice of law, we would run into thousands of people including judges who automatically operate on the unexamined assumption that “circumstantiality” is a useful category for legal analysis. He warned us that in order to communicate truthfully and successfully with those people, we needed to understand the real situation, namely, that no matter what the others may think and say, there is no point in trying to analyze the relevance or probative power of a piece of evidence based on whether or not the evidence is “circumstantial” . . . because all evidence is 100% circumstantial.

Even in the case of truthful eyewitness testimony, the fact that the person was there and saw what they saw, and the fact that they’re now relating a narrative of what they saw using sounds that form words, which reach the minds of hearers who recognize the sounds as words and form mental pictures of what must have happened . . . all those things are circumstances.

Regarding our now-criminal government and specifically 911 I too have longed to see what you are calling “the hard evidence,” and I have suspected that people in the government (and also in the other G8 governments) are already aware of “hard evidence” and they just aren’t talking about it.

But in reality, “hard evidence” is a total phantom, because our whole experience is one big mass of interrelated circumstances, and when a “hard-evidence”-type piece of evidence shows up, it never does come on-scene as THE decisive factor that suddenly changes everyone’s mind. Moreover, no such single decisive piece of evidence ever will show up! What we thought would be the decisive “hard evidence” in fact melds into the whole pre-existing mass of OTHER interrelated circustances that people are already aware of.

Example: The BBC video of their anchor-person in New York saying that WTC 7 had just fallen down . . . while the live feed showed it still standing in the background! If there is such a thing as a totally-decisive smoking gun that had to be it. And it wasn’t! The BBC bigwig fronted the explanation that in the heat of the broadcast moment, an anchor person can easily get things out of sequence, etc., etc., and he hasn’t been fired or even called in question by “the authorities,” nor will that ever happen.

Here’s an Einsteinian mind experiment: Make up (i.e., imagine) a 911 piece of evidence that you think WOULD BE *THE* ‘smoking gun’ . . . THE piece of evidence that CAN’T be manipulated by the powers that be, and that is INCAPABLE of fading into the background of pre-existing circumstantial evidence.

Impossible, right???

Therefore, if it’s true that we really must wait for a true smoking gun, a true piece of “hard evidence,” before acting, we will never act.

And that moving through Jell-o feeling? Which I have had too, and I think I know just what you mean. That’s the feeling of living inside of a belief that I MUST wait, for something which is, in actuality, nonexistent.

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By GodSend, July 22, 2007 at 9:22 am Link to this comment

cyrena:

Not everyone can SEE all the dots (yet) that need to be connected to make complete sense of 9/11. Some people just don’t WANT to connect some of these dots! They want to (mis)lead people down some garden path and AWAY FROM the Truth. Some people have limited intelligence and are just UNABLE to connect some of these dots. Some people (Zionists) know what really happened and they will try their darnedest (which includes very subtle strategies) to keep the Truth hidden.

Let me suggest that you read posts more carefully before responding and thereby avoid creating perhaps unintended innuendos. Perhaps they were intended innuendos because the damage has already been done.

I’m here to create awareness of Truth in as many people as possible - and that includes people who never participate in these blogs but are listening.

What is of the UTMOST importance to me with regard to 9/11 is the EXPOSURE to the light of those Zionists (and their sympathizers) who ‘pulled off’ 9/11 to justify subsequent actions to take control of America and destroy it! Their gameplan has been working for MANY years (read Benjamin Freedman’s 1961 and 1974 speeches). Unless they are (1) exposed and then (2) resisted (possibly stopped), the onslaught will continue until we are all enslaved or worse.

I’m not interested in tracking down every little detail about what exactly happened on 9/11 and how it happened. There are MUCH more important tasks to be done FIRST! Perhaps the most important is expanding the collective consciousness of the Evil (to a critical mass, which will allow effective resistance) which is threatening all Americans and all humanity!

And do not belittle the power or will of God to intervene in human affairs. It’s been happening throughout human history! You may not believe in God - but you will, eventually! wink

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By cyrena, July 21, 2007 at 11:16 pm Link to this comment

#88585 by 911truthdotorg on 7/21 at 8:22 pm

....“My theory is they simply crashed them into the ocean.”....

Truthdog,

Your theory is just as credible as any other. It could in fact be true. It seems like somebody would have noticed that as well, but that doesn’t mean anything, because there were dozens who reported explosions at the WTC, and yet none of the official reports have ever been willing to include such information.

So, while I would like to think that somebody would have reported such a thing, (some sign of airplanes disappearing into the ocean)I have to also accept the fact that anyone reporting such a thing would probably have been “disappeared” as well.

So, you’re right. We don’t know. I’m not sure we ever will, unless somebody has found and kept the “evidence” such as flight voice and data recorders. (which actually DO survive, even in the ocean). That probably isn’t likely, but…ya never know.

Maybe somebody should be draining the Chesapeake Bay, where Cheney’s new palace was constructed a few years ago. He no doubt has a bird’s-eye view of exactly where all of this took place. So, I bet HE knows.

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By 911truthdotorg, July 21, 2007 at 9:22 pm Link to this comment

Regarding the question as to where all the planes went since all physical evidence concludes that they didn’t hit the Pentagon or crash in PA….

My theory is they simply crashed them into the ocean.

They know and God knows where they went.

We can’t answer those questions, but they can.

Google videos: 9/11 Press for Truth, Loose Change 2nd Edition, America: Freedom to Fascism

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By cyrena, July 21, 2007 at 8:12 pm Link to this comment

Comment#88454 by GodSend on 7/21 at 1:16 am

•  cyrena:
When you quoted me in your post, you quoted the words “at this stage of the game”. Did I state that the lives of any of the passengers do not matter? NO, I didn’t. Of course those lives are important
Godsend, I stand corrected and properly acknowledge that you did say: AT THIS POINT in time, or at this stage of the game, or something similar. And yes, I agree with you, that it’s important to continue to find out what actually happened.

On the other hand, your posts sound goofy and disjointed, and defensive. Such as this, which is in the same post:

•  Who do you think you’re fooling? (not anyone who can read and connect all the dots).

I’m hardly attempting to “fool” anyone. I think that has already been masterfully accomplished by whoever set up this Alice in Terrorland story nearly 7 years ago, and managed, (at least at the time) to fool the majority of the American people, and the rest of the world. So, you just need to think a bit more carefully about how YOU connect the dots, (to things such as these forums) and not just normally assume that a reaction to your statements is necessarily a jab at you personally. Like this:

•  You made a deceptive and false ‘accusation’ that I don’t care about the lives of the passengers on flight 177. That is not true!

I made no such accusation at all, and your reaction is neurotic, because YOU have assigned all of the “innuendo” in YOUR interpretation of my comments. So, you need to get over yourself.

MY POINT, was that if in fact you are that gung ho on sorting through this 9-11 operation, (from a logistical standpoint, since you claim that you can read and connect the dots), what HAPPENED to those planes and the people ON/IN them, is probably one of the things you should be trying to read and connect the dots on. It simply isn’t enough for you to suggest that they confiscated all of the videos, because they didn’t WANT us to see what happened.

Well DUH!! I think we know that much by now. And, you’re original post was in response to Ernest Canning, who again made the point about WHAT HAPPENED to the airplane. (in this case, American flight 77 (NOT 177, as YOU keep writing) but AA flt 77, that we have been told, crashed into the Pentagon. Since we know that there was NO SIGN of AA flt 77 at that location, and not a single piece of debris, or a body, or anything else, a very practical step in the logistics, is to try and figure out WHAT DID happen to it, (and the passengers and crew). MY point, (since I still do not know, conclusively what happened to ANY of these flights) is that the PEOPLE are still missing, at least the ones that I knew. So, that would pretty much eliminate some of the suggestions that I’ve read that the planes and people were diverted elsewhere, to some unknown place, and deplaned – possibly alive and well. (yes, I’ve read such speculations). And, while I cannot rule that out, I am saying that if that were the case, none of the people on any of those flights has since made themselves known.

So, we have 4 huge aircraft that have somehow managed to completely disappear. The official story accounts for AA flight 11 and UAS flt 175, as having been consumed in the inferno of the WTC towers; an inferno that is totally lacking in credibility, because we know that the airplanes themselves, did NOT bring down those towers. But, they have NO accounting for the disappearance of AA flt 77, or UA flt 93. There again, no debris. Just a relatively shallow hole in the ground.

So, if you really are that into this, then that would be a logistical question for you to ponder. Where oh where might they have put these gigantic planes and the people in them.

And NO, God is not going to provide these answers, and misreading any of these posts, based on your own psychological wirings, isn’t gonna help you either.

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By ocjim, July 21, 2007 at 5:47 pm Link to this comment

http://www.towardfreedom.com/home/content/view/911/
Some have asked why Bush is now making power plays to increase his power and whether it is for his successor.
The above website indicates that BushCo is incorporating the means to declare martial law and take over all levels of government. In 2000 we would have laughed at such suggestions and said this is really far-fetched. What do you say now after over 6 years of Cheney and Bush?

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By cann4ing, July 21, 2007 at 4:28 pm Link to this comment

From “Working for the Clampdown” by James Bovard:

“The Defense Authorization Act of 2006 passed on Sept. 30 empowers President George W. Bush to impose martial law in the event of a terrorist ‘incident’ or if he or other federal officials perceive a shortfall of ‘public oprder’ or even in response to protects that get unruly as a result of government provocations.”

http://zmagsite.org/JulAug2007/bovard.html

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By GW=MCHammered, July 21, 2007 at 11:43 am Link to this comment
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Bush’s need for naps, his too-numerous vacations, that lengthy addiction to alcohol and drugs, his dogged pursuit with intense narrow focus, his uber-optimism and ability to convince people of wild things, his obvious narcissism with ‘delusions of grandeur’ and ‘special information’ defences, all iced with absolute denial that anything is ever wrong with him or his decisions and actions… Our confusion figuring what is really going on and building underlying stresses.

C’mon DSM-IV practicianers. Stop hiding under your toolbox and soapbox from it. Because each silent day, your behavior looks more like symptoms.

We’re sending border guards to fight in Iraq for chrissakes!

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By cann4ing, July 21, 2007 at 9:40 am Link to this comment

Paul Craig Roberts served as an assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration.  All who value constitutional democracy should link to

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/oldline_Republican_warns_somethings_in_works_0719.html

Here are some excerpts:

“Americans think their danger is terrorists.  They don’t understand the terrorists cannot take away habeas corpus, the Bill of Rights, the constitution.”

“Americans need to comprehend and look at how ruthless Cheney is….A person like that would do anything.”

“Something’s in the works,” he said, adding that executive orders needed to create a police state are already in place.  “You have to count on the fact that if al Qaeda’s not going to do it, it’s going to be orchestrated.”

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By GodSend, July 21, 2007 at 2:16 am Link to this comment

cyrena:

When you quoted me in your post, you quoted the words “at this stage of the game”. Did I state that the lives of any of the passengers do not matter? NO, I didn’t. Of course those lives are important - to their loved ones and their friends - and to ALL Americans. Why? Because their lives MAY have been snuffed out, and certainly dramatically changed as part of the Bush Cabal (Zionist) Crime and Conspiracy!

It’s a matter of priorities and right now, the priority is to EXPOSE the LIARS and then unveil the entire sordid nightmare - AND bring the criminals to justice. We all (?) KNOW that our government lied and is still lying to Americans and to the world. Why? Because they have something HORRIBLE to conceal. And that HORRIBLE something only began with 9/11. It continues every day as we speak and blog!

Deception is the work of the Devil - even very subtle deception and innuendo! You made a deceptive and false ‘accusation’ that I don’t care about the lives of the passengers on flight 177. That is not true!

Who do you think you’re fooling? (not anyone who can read and connect all the dots).

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By cyrena, July 21, 2007 at 1:50 am Link to this comment

#88440 by GodSend on 7/20 at 11:02 pm

It matters GodSend,


....“You SEE, it’s not all that important at this stage of the game where flight 177 actually landed (and what happened to the passengers)”

It matters because all of those passengers and crew members are still missing. I knew crew and passengers on 3 of those 4 planes. I still miss them, and I wanna know what happen to them, because airplanes don’t just disappear.

And, Ernest is right…there’s no way those inexperienced pilots did that WTC operation, and there’s no way that airplane shot all the way through that tower, and came out on the other side. (not even the nose). So, I don’t know what we were looking at, but it wasn’t what they told us we were looking at.

And, flt 77 isn’t the only missing aircraft. We’ve never seen any debris from the one that supposedly went down in that field…the UA flt that the passengers supposedly tried to save. No signs of it either. Not even a broken wing light. And, no voice or data recorder boxes from any of them either. (well, I think they claim to have found ONE voice recorder box, but none of the flight data boxes.

And, like I said….NONE of the passengers or crew have shown up. So, if they’re out their hiding somewhere under a new identity, they better stay hidden, because I would otherwise be on the prowl with my can of whoop-ass.

I wanna know what happened to those airplanes, and the people in them.

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By Robert, July 21, 2007 at 1:18 am Link to this comment

Comment #88400 by Ernest Canning on 7/20

Ernest…Just wondering how many of the below planes had the capability to be flown via remote control?

Isn’t it odd that all the hijacked cross country flights on 9/11 only averaged 27% full?

Flight   Plane   Departed   Crashed     Capacity   Passengers   % Full   Seats Empty
American Airlines 11   Boeing 767   Boston Logan   North WTC   255   92   36   163
United Airlines 175   Boeing 767   Boston Logan   South WTC   255   65   25   190
American Airlines 77   Boeing 757   Dulles   Pentagon   239   64   27   175
United Airlines 93   Boeing 757   Newark   Stony Creek, PA   239   45   19   194

Total Capacity =    988
Total Passengers =  266
Average % full =    27%
Difference of total passengers and Flight 93’s seating capacity = 27
- Compiled from the Washington Post.

http://a188.g.akamaitech.net/f/188/920/15m/www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/graphics/hijack091101.htm

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By GodSend, July 21, 2007 at 12:13 am Link to this comment

PS to EC:

There is supporting evidence that a missile AS WELL AS A DRONE hit the Pentagon! Too many walls were penetrated for a drone. ‘Operation Pearl’ explains how flight 177 OVERFLEW the Pentagon while the drone (and cruise missile) actually hit. Why, do you suppose, all the videos were taken from the nearby cameras by the FBI (or impostors) MINUTES after the impact?! You think that maybe they show what actually hit the Pentagon that Americans are not supposed to SEE!? You betcha! smile

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By GodSend, July 21, 2007 at 12:02 am Link to this comment

EC:

Your overly healthy skepticism notwithstanding, ‘Operation Pearl’ provides some likely scenarios for where flight 177 might have gone - certainly out of the range of that healthy skepticism and into the range of unhealthy skepticism. You SEE, it’s not all that important at this stage of the game where flight 177 actually landed (and what happened to the passengers). What IS important now, is to join the voices which are crying “Official Conspiracy” and to insist on a COMPLETE AND INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION OF WHAT REALLY HAPPENED (including where flight 177 landed). Let the Pentagon publicly show all the untouched videos from the cameras which surround the impact site, for starters. Ooops, it seems that they were burned up in the fires at the crash site (don’t ask how). Or perhaps they were shipped to China, along with the WTC remains.

The FIRST thing is to demonstrate without a shadow of a doubt that the Bush government LIED about the ‘Official’ 9/11 explanation. THEN, all hell can finally break loose and you can get the answer to your question. I can assure you now, that most Americans will be much more interested in getting their hands on the perpetrators than finding out where flight 177 landed! wink

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By cann4ing, July 20, 2007 at 10:47 pm Link to this comment

GodSend, I have read and linked to a number of scholarly articles that provide a good deal of evidence implicating official complicity for 9/11.  Your link adds another.  I’ve linked to explanations provided by physicists that scientifically rule out the “official theories” for explaining the collapse of the towers.  I have read an article by airline pilots that suggests that it would have been virtually impossible for an inexperienced pilot to fly into the Pentagon at the angle provided by the “official theories.”  I have considered the absence of debris such as wings and fuselage.  But this still doesn’t answer my question.  If it was, indeed, a missile that struck the Pentagon, where did the damn plane go?

Unlike you “believers,” I am imbued by what I regard as a healthy dose of scientific skepticism.  I cannot just “assume” that a missile struck the Pentagon irrespective of the significant circumstantial evidence, such as the dimensions of the hole in the side of that building, unless someone can explain how flight 77 mysteriously disappeared.  You can’t have one explanation without the other.

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By GodSend, July 20, 2007 at 10:34 pm Link to this comment

Oh, CitizenDefender, by ‘Elite few’ we will assume that you mean Israeli and American Zionists who are behind the whole thing! After all, there has to be a believable motive! It’s simply amazing how you were able to tell the whole story without using the keyword: ZIONISM wink

Not only that, you managed to avoid naming even one Zionist - like Abrams, Feith, Perle, Wolfowitz, Chertoff, Zakheim, Greenspan, Bernanke, Libby, ad infinitum - truly remarkable.

Are you familiar with Benjamin Freedman and his revelations about who created the Fed? (among some other, ‘interesting’ revelations about Zionism)

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By ocjim, July 20, 2007 at 9:59 pm Link to this comment

Ernest Canning on the California fiasco: Perhaps only now can people believe the impact of the neocons and Karl Rove on our entire political scene. Ernest report does remind me how Rove, Lay, Bush, and Cheney played out the California scam. I had forgotten about the secret meetings Arnold had with Lay. The disgusting part of this deal was that California voters were so easily led to recall Davis although Davis helped the process. Arnold is so verbally challenged that I was shocked that the voters bought his mostly one-liners. To the voters credit when the neocon Arnold came out, he was forced to change back to moderation. But in the end Arnold is probably as morally-challenged as Davis, more marketing savy, but less intelligent.

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By CitizenDefender, July 20, 2007 at 9:24 pm Link to this comment

The “War on Terror” is motivated by the North American Union, Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, Bilderbergers and the New World Order, the Freemasons agenda, NAFTA, CAFTA, the Project for the New American Century, the Federal Reserve, and International Bankers.

There is an Elite few who are responsible for fuming every war that the United States has found itself in. The Federal Bank and the New World Order have been created to rob the world of its freedoms. George and DICK know this.

I believe most are familiar with all of these references. Woodrow Wilson lamented in 1916, “The growth of our nation and all the activities are controlled by a few men.” He was referring to the Central Bank later to become the Federal Reserve. Any plot intended to rob somebody is a criminal act. So it is with the Federal Reserve.

Whitehouse actions go well beyond Corporate Greed and have placed the wage earning class into the flip side of Open Markets creating greater poverty for America.

Warrantless wiretaps, sneak and peak policing, extraordinary rendition, the Real ID Act, RFID technology use, torture of detained people, cameras at every big intersection, downward looking satellites means only one thing, lost Freedoms. None of what I just mentioned makes Americans any safer.

The Bush administration is despicable. They have taken away nearly all our freedoms as a result of the staged 9-11 event. Who is investigating the World Trade Center attack? The 9-11 Commission’s conclusions are a farce.

If the Congress and Senate do not have the guts to do the right thing and impeach both Bush and Cheney then we need to vote all of them out of office.

Because the Bush administration gained the Presidency through vote tampering in both the 2000 and 2004 elections a Recall Petition against Bush and Cheney should be acted on by the House, Senate and the Supreme Court of the United States.

Over 200 years ago Thomas Jefferson wrote:
“If the American people ever allowed the banks to control the issuance of their currency, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers occupied.”

The Federal Reserve issues money with interest. That money is created from nothing, not based on a Gold or Silver standard. The $1 bill is worth about 3 cents.

Jekyll Island Club in Georgia was where the Federal Reserve was formed in secrecy. http://www.apfn.org/apfn/reserve.htm


Who owns your money? http://www.masternewmedia.org/news/2005/09/09/who_owns_the_federal_reserve.htm

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By GodSend, July 20, 2007 at 8:48 pm Link to this comment

EC, your troubles are over! (except for the atheism part) wink There’s an explanation of what really happened (most likely) on 9/11: ‘Operation Pearl’ - you know, the 2nd ‘Pearl Harbor’ to provide an excuse for starting a war. Here’s the link:

http://www.physics911.net/pearl

(also SEE PNAC)

Now you can sleep at night, knowing not only what happened at the Pentagon on 9/11 but knowing how we got into WWII, to boot! wink For all the gory details about how we got into WWII, read Benjamin Freedman’s speeches (1961 and 1964).

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By cann4ing, July 20, 2007 at 8:13 pm Link to this comment

Robert, nice post.  Perhaps it would explain why Rummy was so comfortable remaining at his Pentagon desk when he was told Washington was under attack.  Why move if you know where the “missile” was going to strike.

While I’ve have seen a good deal of info that would tend to substantiate some type of official complicity, especially as it relates to the collapse of WTC-7 as being the product of controlled demolition, I remain troubled by one hole in complicity theories surrounding the Pentagon.  If it was a “missile” that struck the Pentagon, what happened to the plane—Flight 77?

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By Robert, July 20, 2007 at 7:38 pm Link to this comment

A Missile, Not Flight 77  

Defense Secretary:
“and the missile to damage this building”

“Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld was interviewed on 12 October 2001 by Lyric Wallwork Winik (yes, that’s her real name), a columnist for Parade, the magazine that comes in many Sunday newspapers across the US. Although Parade is one of the most mainstream magazines imaginable (think People meets the Saturday Evening Post), Winik blindsided Rumsfeld with a question that few reporters/interviewers have the guts to ask:

“This is a question that’s been asked by many Americans, but especially by the widows of September 11th. How were we so asleep at the switch? How did a war targeting civilians arrive on our homeland with seemingly no warning?”

Rumsfeld is apparently shaken by this young reporter’s forthrightness. First, he admits what few else dare:

“There were lots of warnings.”

Immediately after this sentence, though, the Secretary starts to qualify it. He subtly plays the “we didn’t connect the dots” card:

“The intelligence information that we get, it sometimes runs into the hundreds of alerts or pieces of intelligence a week. One looks at the worldwide, it’s thousands. And the task is to sort through it and see what you can find.”

Although he doesn’t directly say it, it would seem that Rumsfeld is insinuating that the poor, understaffed, shoestring intelligence and defense establishments can’t put together intelligence in a timely manner.

Now things get really bizarre. After admitting that there were plenty of warnings, he says it was up to the FBI and especially state and local law enforcement to deal with the imminent terrorist attack:

“And as you find things, the law enforcement officials who have the responsibility to deal with that type of thing—the FBI at the federal level, and although it is not, it’s an investigative service as opposed to a police force, it’s not a federal police force, as you know. But the state and local law enforcement officials have the responsibility for dealing with those kinds of issues.”

To sum up Rumsfeld’s explanation: 1) The warnings were there; 2) the Defense Department and the intelligence community couldn’t figure them out; but anyway 3) it was up to the FBI, state law enforcement, and local police to uncover and prevent the worst terrorist attack in US history.

And here’s something to kick around. Still answering this question, Rumsfeld goes on to make a strange statement:

“It is a truth that a terrorist can attack any time, any place, using any technique and it’s physically impossible to defend at every time and every place against every conceivable technique. Here we’re talking about plastic knives and using an American Airlines flight filled with our citizens, and the missile to damage this building and similar (inaudible) that damaged the World Trade Center. The only way to deal with this problem is by taking the battle to the terrorists, wherever they are, and dealing with them.”

“Missile”? What missile would that be? Did he let something slip? Or was this just a gaffe? A bad choice of words? A transcription error? Until we know for sure, it deserves scrutiny.

The article based on this interesting interview was “We Have to Defend Our Way of Life” by Lyric Wallwork Winik in Parade, 18 Nov 2001. The only part of the above exchange to be included is this:

To Rumsfeld, the Sept. 11 attacks did not come as a complete surprise. “There were lots of warnings,” he says bluntly.

“The only way to deal with this problem,” he continues, “is by taking the battle to the terrorists and dealing with them.”

Now, it is pretty bold for Parade to quote him about the warnings. Of course, the magazine then skips Rumsfeld’s subsequent shifting of blame and use of the word “missile,” jumping right to the innocuous final sentence of the exchange.”

Click link for details:

http://www.the7thfire.com/Politics and History/Missile-Not-Flight-77.htm

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By Inherit The Wind, July 20, 2007 at 6:23 pm Link to this comment
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cyrena on 7/20 at 11:00 am
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I sat here for only slightly longer than your 7 minutes, while all the rest of my hair turned white.

Forget Al-Qaeda my friend, Bush, Cheney and Rove are the real axis of evil.

Maybe I SHOULD start believing in miracles!  Cyrena has actually posted something I agree with 110%!

I would VERY much lOVE to see Cheney and Bush impeached IN THAT ORDER so that Darth Dick doesn’t become President. I want to see them impeached, ousted, brought up on charges of treason, convicted and sentenced to life without parole, along with the rest of their crooked corrupt administration.

These bastards got us into the war in Iraq, have screwed up MULTIPLE chances to repair relations with Iran, alienated our friends, empowered our enemies, sunk our economy and destroyed our civil liberties.

The ONLY thing I agree with Bush on is some sort of amnesty for illegal aliens, especially Latin and South Americans.  But not for the same reasons. I want it because it’s the right thing to do, and these people have brought us so much.  He wants it solely to help keep exploiting his buddies’ workers and to break unions.

Ayn Rand’s character of Wesley Mouch is a PERFECT description of George Bush.  And the mysterious Mr. Thompson describes Darth Cheney equally well.

We didn’t vote these bastards in. The election was STOLEN—in 2000 and again in 2004.  Bush is the ONLY minority (as opposed to plurality) president ever “re-elected”.

And I worry that he somehow will magically need to stay in office and postpone the 2008 election.  That cannot be allowed.

Bad news, GodSend: the Korean laundry lost your swastika’n'cross.  You’ll just have to make due by tatooing it on your forehead, like Charlie Manson, who, next to you, appears sane.

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By cann4ing, July 20, 2007 at 5:32 pm Link to this comment

Cyrena, thanks for the link to the Truthout article, which provides further substance of the multiple goals of the pseudo energy crisis in California.  It wasn’t just the $30 billion that the Texas energy mafia would steal from California utility rate payers.  The effort was part of what George Lakoff refers to as a strategic initiative. 

First, the VP and Rove are knee deep in the rip off, yet they are able through secrecy and Orwellian spin to place the blame for the fiasco on the hapless Grey Davis in order to bring about the Recall, even as Schwarzenneger was secretly meeting with Ken Lay and Michael Milken at the Beverly Penninsula Hotel.  It wasn’t just California’s money they were after.  They wanted the biggest number of electoral votes that any state in the nation could offer.  The Republi-crooks had a major assist from the conglomerated corporate media which first gave Schwarzenneger 30 minutes of free air time to announce his candidacy on the “Tonight Show” with Jay Leno, followed by repeated interviews by such prominent figures as Larry King. 

Poor Grey Davis was not even permitted to participate in the one “debate” which involved Schwarzenneger, the thoroughly uninspiring Cruz Bustamonte, a Green Party candidate and Ariana Huffington.  During the week before the Recall it was impossible to turn to any channel for more than a few minutes without seeing Arnold’s mug either in one of his near continuous ads or his films that seem to run around-the-clock.

With Davis out of the way, Rove next targeted Cal. Sec. of State Kevin Shelley, utilizing the threat of a politicized prosecution because Shelley had the temerity to challenge Diebold’s hackable paperless E-voting equipment.  Schwarzenneger replaced Shelley with Republi-crook Bruce McPherson who certified Diebold despite his own agency’s study which demonstrated its unreliability.  Fortunately, most counties didn’t have Diebold in place for the 2006 election.  McPherson was replaced by Deborah Bowen, an outspoken paperless E-voting opponent.  The scheme that began in 2000 has been partially thwarted—for now!

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By GodSend, July 20, 2007 at 4:09 pm Link to this comment

Hey, waxman - that’s FLUSH, not FLASH! It’s time to FLUSH! smile

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By GodSend, July 20, 2007 at 4:05 pm Link to this comment

Let’s pray for the DOC’s life and our liberty! He is America’s ONLY HOPE! If anything happens to him before November, 2008 ( including an ‘accident’ ), the REVOLUTION’S HERE!

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By waxman, July 20, 2007 at 4:03 pm Link to this comment

FLASH….FLASH…....FLASH…...EXTRA…..EXTRA…...RESULTS JUST IN…..HE’S A PERFECT ASSHOLE’‘’‘’’

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By farmertx, July 20, 2007 at 3:57 pm Link to this comment

As far as Clinton taking his eye off terrorism, he sought Congressional approval to remove bin-laden. But it was denied as they felt he was trying to focus their attention on something other than Monica.
And finding out whether she swallowed was a heck of a lot more important than going after some raghead who couldn’t hurt the mighty USofA.

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By GodSend, July 20, 2007 at 3:50 pm Link to this comment

So, after Bush is eliminated by DIVINE INTERVENTION who or what is next? Another Zionist stooge (just about any Republican or Democratic candidate) or someone who can surgically remove the Zionist cancer? Hey, a DOCTOR is what America needs!!! Is there a DOCTOR in the House, running for president, who has declared war on the Evil Zionist influence on America?

Hey, DOC, make sure you get it/them all, OK!? wink

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By cyrena, July 20, 2007 at 3:35 pm Link to this comment

#88328 by BobZ on 7/20 at 2:25 pm

BobZ…this isn’t actually the case….

....“With Bill Clinton trying to fend off being removed from office, he took his eye off of the terrorism ball”.....

Clinton actually was very intuned to the “terrorism ball”, but admittedly, his focus was DOMESTIC terrorism, since we didn’t have any foreign terrorist attacks during his time. They were all “home-growns”...McVeigh and OKC, and a few school shootings, and David Koresh in Waco, and the religious guy Eric Rudolph, who was bombing womens’ clinics, and any medical professionals that he thought might be providing abortions. (he was on the loose for quite a while)

So, Clinton had his hands pretty tied up with the domestic side of the problem. We’d had a break from those “Islamists” since 1993, until the 9-11 attack, that occurred well into the Shrubs 1st year.

So, I’m putting that squarely on Cheney’s scorecard.

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By August West, July 20, 2007 at 3:28 pm Link to this comment

So Bush is temporarily ceding power tomorrow to Dick Cheney while Bush undergoes a colonoscopy.  Now Cheney has his chance to order an attack on Iran.  Better gas up the car tonight.

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By BobZ, July 20, 2007 at 3:25 pm Link to this comment

To: OCJim,

I have similar sentiments, except for the 9/11 scenario. I believe that would still have happened. With Bill Clinton trying to fend off being removed from office, he took his eye off of the terrorism ball. However Gore would not have outsourced our capturing Osama to Pakistan or the Afghan tribal leaders. Nor would he have appointed all of the incompetent political hacks that infest the Bush Administration at the highest levels. We would also be much further along in our battle against global warming. Our taxes would probably be higher but we might be earning more. Illegal immigration might still be an issue, although with a Democratic majority, he might have been able to better reach an accomodation with Congress than Bush has. Health care would have been given a higher priority along with addressing the Social Security entitlement shortfall. And no Rove and Cheney, best of all.

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By GodSend, July 20, 2007 at 3:14 pm Link to this comment

Amid the furor and confirmation that Dubya is a rotten a-hole, let’s not forget that Israeli and American Traitor Zionists are his puppeteers and masters! - not to speak of the Devil, himself, of course!

ALL THE ZIONIST NEOCONS MUST GO!
(to Gitmo and/or Israel and/or Hell!) - maybe in that order?!

PS HELL is just about guaranteed wink

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By ocjim, July 20, 2007 at 2:47 pm Link to this comment

Imagine (as John Lennon sang) that the neocons didn’t steal the election in 2000. We wouldn’t be plunged into war. We wouldn’t have a Constitutional crisis. We wouldn’t be hated by the rest of the world. Global warming would be addressed. Judges wouldn’t be chipping away at our rights. We might not have had 9/11. Certainly we wouldn’t be wasting our time writing and speaking about a mediocre, overentitled “child-adult” with sociapathic tendencies and a Messianic complex. He would just be a problem to his family.

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By cyrena, July 20, 2007 at 1:52 pm Link to this comment

#88304 by Lefty on 7/20 at 12:15 pm

Thanks for the warning on the Coup, Lefty.

....Snow would not say exactly when the procedure would be carried out. He said that the results of the study were expected within 48 to 72 hours and would be announced…..

Must be nice to have insurance, (or enough money to pay for such a procedure out of one’s pocket.) All things considered, we’ve donated enough for him to have 500 colonoscopys, and I kind of like the thought of that. They could just give him 3 per day, for the next 4 or 5 months, and that should do it. But, if he needs all 500 of them, I’d be willing to spring for an extra few bucks.

Strange that they would have to sedate him, considering those nifty little cameras that they have now, that the patients can just swallow, and get all the pictures they need. (no pain, so no sedation required.)

OH…I forgot. That’s way too much “science”, and he probably likes those colonoscopys anyway…the old fashioned-way. That way they can flush out all of the brain fragments that have collected there, and donate them to science.

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By cyrena, July 20, 2007 at 1:10 pm Link to this comment

Comment#88157 by farmertx on 7/19 at 9:31 pm

Farmertx….It only “seems” this way…

The above is excerpted from that Executive Order. It would seem, and granted, that is an ambiguous term to use with this administration, to apply only to acts of violence.

You’re right about the ambiguous nature of ANYTHING GW signs. But, I read this one again, and only because I’ve had to read so many of them now, I can generally spot the holes. In reality, they COULD, (because they HAVE) look at a donation, (and claim that it’s funding a “terrorist” organization, or any number of things. It’s absolutely amazing, what they come up with.

I had an experience with a simple bank deposit several months ago, where they told me that would “hold” PART of the funds from that deposit, (just one check) and let me have HALF of my money in 10 days, and the other half of it in 14 days. The whole thing was so outrageous…like nothing I’d EVER heard of, (and I’ve heard some lulu’s) so it meant abandoning the phone attempts, and making my way to the bank.

And, when I got there, it got even crazier, when he brought me a copy of my deposit, and looked at the check that I had deposited, (A FULL 8 days before) and then told me…”well mam, this check had to go all the way to Delaware”. (which was supposed to be the reason why it was showing up as a deposit, and but the funds still weren’t “available” to me.) ALL THE WAY TO DELWARE????

I looked at him and said….NO IT DIDN’T have to go all the way to Delaware, (the main branch of the bank issuing the check), and even if it DID, unless we’re talking STAGECOACH transportation, it STILL would have cleared by now. So, where’s the money? Can you find out if it’s cleared? (or course they can). And then he tells me that “they” might not be willing to provide that information, because of the PATRIOT ACT!!
(Actually, and this was a “manager” he told me that they didn’t HAVE to tell him/me if it had cleared). I asked him to try anyway. They let me cool my heels for close to an hour in the lobby, and finally came back to say that the deposit had cleared the issuing bank 4 5 days earlier. So in other words, they were just gonna “hang on to the funds” for a couple of weeks, before making them available to me.

This is like ONE of many totally unheard of sorts of things that have been happening in the past 7 years. And, if this gang can re-writelaws that suspend habeas corpus, and not only “sanction” torture, but adopt this as standard policy, and just totally ignore all international laws as well, then this little executive order is no different than any of the rest. It puts us on that much more notice. They don’t need a reason, and they don’t have to prove that it’s a “violent” act. They can create any kind of “connection” they want to.

Like I said….they have.  They didn’t give any reasons for locking up all of those Japanese Americans during WWII either, but they still did it. It’s all very chilling.

Makes me wonder if I need to re-read The Diary of Anne Frank, just to get an idea of what preparations I might need, to go into hiding. I’m like those poor Iraqis who have been too destitute to flee the constant threat of death in their own nation, and they end-up wandering the desert between checkpoints that they can’t get through.

At least that was the nightmare I had last night.

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By cyrena, July 20, 2007 at 12:00 pm Link to this comment

Comment#88252 by Goffredo on 7/20 at 9:45 am
.....You too…Huh?

...“Just clicked on the link for that executive order…

I was sort of like Bush when he heard about the first tower being struck…I just sat in my chair for 7 minutes and peed in my boxers like a racehorse.”....

I sat here for only slightly longer than your 7 minutes, while all the rest of my hair turned white.

Forget Al-Qaeda my friend, Bush, Cheney and Rove are the real axis of evil.


And, they’ve got plenty of help with the paperwork.
Bush doesn’t writeany of these executive orders.

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By cyrena, July 20, 2007 at 11:12 am Link to this comment

#88232 by Ernest Canning on 7/20 at 8:10 am

….“911truthdotorg, thanks for the link to Paul Craig Roberts…

Me too truthdog. Thanks. I read it as well, and yes, it spooked me terribly, if only because I hadn’t considered that they would very intentionally rig another disaster. Not because it isn’t likely or probable, but just because we’ve had these same scares so many times before, when they have simply been scares. But, hooking it all together, from Chertoff’s gut, to the report on how AQ has allegedly made this major come-back, to the fact that the Repubs are in such trouble now, that they actually NEED another home soil disaster, or face a total wipe-out at the polls.

I think the part that scared me more than anything, was his sort of explanation for why the Dems haven’t done more. And, to re-interpret, (at least the way that I did) he was basically saying that the Dems aren’t concerned about impeachment, because with Pelosi, it’s only about the politics, and they have somehow gone into their new role, thinking that they need only give the repubs enough rope to hang themselves. As long as george keeps acting like a wooden head with really bad wiring, he’ll take the whole gang down with him. At least that’s how it seems to be going.

But then, he reminds us that there’s no way Cheney or Rove has ignored any of this, and so they obviously have a “plan”. Why would I need a reminder?

So, I did actually send another message to Pelosi, as part of yet another petition to impeach cheney, explaining that it was really close to being already too late. While they jack around with all of the necessary parliamentary procedure required to gather up enough votes, it would be quicker and easier to impeach them both, beginning with cheney, or they can be co-defendants.

It’s also a tad bit annoying to hear all of the hoopla and rah-rah responses to Kucinich’s impeachment bill/resolution, as if he’s the first one to come up with the idea, when there are many others who have been out pounding the pavement on this for some years now. The most vocal of them Cynthia McKinney, (who put together an impeachment resolution before she was booted/smeared out of the House) as well as Cindy Sheenhan, in her more grass roots approach, were both pilloried in their willingness to make these points long ago. So, I guess it just depends on who one is, before they decide to introduce these things. I can only say that this impeachment effort is NOT new to many of us who’ve been swimming up stream for the past several years. I’ve heard the arguments that it would simply slow down the business of our nation, but that’s an incredibly lame excuse. It didn’t stop the show when they were lynching Clinton, and it didn’t take that long either.

So, everybody sign the petition, and you’ll have another opportunity to drop Ms. Pelosi a note at the same time. One copy of it is at democrats.com. I’m not gonna lose any sleep over whose resolution it actually is….I just want them GONE.

I came across another lengthy (but excellent) report on how all the dots connected between Cheney and the energy crises that California suffered back in 2000-2001, and has really never recovered from. I knew there was a connection, but could never fill-in the blanks on my own. I was outraged reading it, but it’s also not a surprise. I even recognized some of the characters in the plot.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/071907J.shtml

As for 9-11, maybe one day we’ll get the real answers on that as well. All I know is that 4 airplanes don’t crash and burn within the space of a couple of hours, and LEAVE NO TRACE.

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By Goffredo, July 20, 2007 at 10:45 am Link to this comment

911truthdotorg,

Just clicked on the link for that executive order…

I was sort of like Bush when he heard about the first tower being struck…I just sat in my chair for 7 minutes and peed in my boxers like a racehorse.

Forget Al-Qaeda my friend, Bush, Cheney and Rove are the real axis of evil.

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By GodSend, July 20, 2007 at 10:24 am Link to this comment

Are Neocons (Zionists) Evil? (that’s Evil as in DEvil) You betcha! What are they ‘up to’ in the Middle East? SEE here:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/reese/reese377.html

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By GodSend, July 20, 2007 at 9:41 am Link to this comment

One more thing: as Evil is exposed during the coming weeks and months, it is important that we EXPOSE and ‘Strike the Roots of Evil’. There will be the temptation (encouraged by crypto-Zionists) to just cut off the branches of Evil (BushCo, for example) BUT the Roots of Evil are Zionists and Israeli leaders (Satanists)! Unless we strike at those Roots of Evil, new (evil) leaves will just grow back! wink

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By GodSend, July 20, 2007 at 9:24 am Link to this comment

PS Maybe we’ll all decide to call in ‘Sicko’ and just stay home until further notice?! smile

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By cann4ing, July 20, 2007 at 9:10 am Link to this comment

911truthdotorg, thanks for the link to Paul Craig Roberts, with whom I have personally corresponded in the past. 

Interesting that a former member of the Reagan administration questions “official theories” for 9/11.  Robert poignantly points to the number of eye-witnesses whose statements about the series of below ground explosions were surpressed for more than 3 years.  Silverstein’s concession of receiving an order to “pull it” (WTC 7) squares with Giuliani’s statement that he was given ten to fifteen minutes advance notice that the building (presumably WTC 7) was going to collapse.  Keep in mind that it takes a good deal of time to plant the explosives necessary to bring a building of that size down.  Precise placement of explosives is essential in any controlled demolition.  Morever, with offices of several U.S. intelligence agencies located within, WTC 7 was one of the most secure locations in the U.S. 

I was already aware of Mr. Roberts’ concerns about the administration’s potential use of a new attack as an excuse to declare a national emergency.  Keep in mind that we deal with individuals (Bush, Cheney, Gonzales) who, if they vacate office, could eventually be prosecuted for war crimes if the immunity provided by the Military Commissions Act were repealed.  (If suspicians about 9/11 were to prove true and any of these “gentlemen” were complicit in that event, we could even be talking about potential death penalty prosecutions).

With an approval rating down to 26%, with the Dems finally awakening to Republi-crook election-stealing games via politicized and illigitimate prosecutions of alleged “voter fraud,” the illegal use of “caging lists” and their effort to turn actual elections into virtual elections via paperless E-voting, the risks to the cabal are great indeed.  A putch may be the only course left to insure their own survival.

These are indeed dangerous times for the survival of the Republic.  Unfortunately, Nancy “Impeachment is off-the-table” Pelosi and the rest of the so-called Democratic leadership, like the hapless Social Democrats in the waning days of the Weimar Republic, are simply not alerted to the gravity and immediacy of that danger.

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By GodSend, July 20, 2007 at 8:42 am Link to this comment

Expat, et al:

That was a very insightful post you made! wink

Does posting do any good? YES, it does!

You SEE!, we are in the final battle between the Sons of Light and the Sons of Darkness. The Evil that we all SEE is so overwhelming as to seem unreal. Well, it’s not unreal but it IS supernatural! Some people are demon-possessed (like Bush). Check out Paul Levy’s website ‘Awaken in the Dream’.

To better understand what’s really happening, you need a better view and understanding of The Puzzle. You can get that here:

http://novalight.org

Why should we keep posting and what else should we do? Should we keep fighting to expose the truth about 9/11, even though the MSM simply refuses to acknowledge that our government is involved in a huge Crime and Conspiracy? ABSOLUTELY!

With every post, someone (else) starts to SEE the Truth! We are all connected. Humanity’s collective consciousness exists beyond the realm of the physical. As Truth spreads, we will eventually achieve a critical mass of collective consciousness of Truth - and we will be able to resist Evil, both individually and collectively, and just KNOW what is the right thing to do! Perhaps, at some point in the future (the ‘right’ time), we will all just decide to stay home for a self-imposed 2-week ‘vacation’. Maybe we’ll decide not to buy any more newspapers or magazines for a month! Maybe we’ll decide to not go to the movies for a whole week! A few of us will just decide what to do (or not to do), post it, and before you know it the whole world will join us - sorta like a global Mexican Wave! wink

Meanwhile, keep the faith and RESIST (as best you can, in whatever way you can)!

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By Expat, July 20, 2007 at 6:56 am Link to this comment

I will guarantee, when, sometime in the future, we find out the facts about Iraq…all of the facts from this administration, we will be shocked beyond the pale.

This of course, assumes we will remain a free country and can actually get the facts.  This is already very much in doubt.  “Seven Days in May” was a very good picture and parallels many of the things going on today.  Maybe not so much the details but certainly the flavor.  The problem for us today is…we are not in a movie; it is in fact very real and on going.  Where are the heroes to save the Republic?

I don’t think I have any idea what it will take to wake us up from this ongoing nightmare…we post and post.  I have done it so many times I make myself tired all over.  So many people here have as well.  What do we think we are doing?  This is a serious question!  Are we Paul Revere?  A year ago, two years ago, maybe…but Paul Revere rode and the militia marshaled and fought.  I am not advocating armed rebellion…but I am advocating (yawn) once again going to the streets in lawful demonstrations as we did in the Viet Nam era.  You all (me included) love to post and expound our lovely prose and noble ideas and vent anger and blame and blame and intellectualize ad-infinitum.  We quote every expert extant and to what end?  Here we all are, still debating every possible nuance of every argument and opinion…pro and con…upside, downside, inside, outside, left side, right side middle and conservative, liberal……………

Where are the heroes to save our Republic?  I hope it’s the readers here reading this poorly written plea to save the country.  I am hoping we will become the real Paul Revere of today…but remember…it means leaving your computer and going to the street if you really want your country back.

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By 911truthdotorg, July 19, 2007 at 11:23 pm Link to this comment

How would American’s react?

Like the sheep that they are. (With too few exceptions to make a difference)

They’ve been trained not to question “daddy”.

They won’t even “get it” when they’re thrown into one of those DHS/FEMA detention centers that Halliburton has built around the country.

daddy’s just doing what’s best for them…keeping them safe.

Sadly, I believe the end of this country is very close.

I truly hope I am very wrong.

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By Frank Cajon, July 19, 2007 at 11:18 pm Link to this comment

While I feel that George Bush is essentially a madman trying to not only run his imperialist war machine amok on the far side of the globe but also build the basis for a potential power grab and declare himself emporer at home, I thought the invocation of James Madison as the inspiration of the article was a bit amusing.
Many political scientists (my field of undergrad study) familiar with the War of 1812 realize that this conflict was indeed declared by the legislature, the way the Constitution says, and the way we used to do things before Korea. The subtext is that this was not a popular war, and for this reason was widely known as ‘Mr Madison’s War’. A retaliation for British acts of basic piracy against American ships, it was also seen as an opportunity to expand US territory and drive British influence out of the newly formed country and attack their hated allies in Canada. The Battle of New Orleans, Old Ironsides and other parts of American legend date from that conflict, which was mostly a series of cities being burned and naval battles, accomplishing little except gaining a stronger US foothold in areas like Florida and Louisana. One thing about Madison: he never lied about the reason for a war he decided to start on his own.

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By cyrena, July 19, 2007 at 11:10 pm Link to this comment

Comment#88158 by oketa on 7/19 at 9:32 pm

Good questions, Oketa…....“So, what happens if Bush decides that he needs to remain in power to protect American?  He has already shown a complete disregard for the law. Under the current “state of emergency” that we are in, he might just cancel the next election.”....

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Ya know, you aren’t the first one to suggest that this could happen. I’ve actually heard it suggested a number of times, (that he might cancel the next election) and as much as I should KNOW better, (based on the last 7 years of the unprecedented and surreal goings on) I really hadn’t allowed myself to go that far. It just has seemed like even those in the worst forms of denial, would have to, well…“object”?
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....“I wonder how people would react. Would they just accept it like they have everything else that Bush has done to them?”....

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Well, herein lies the life or death question…how would they react?
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It depends on WHO? In suggesting that Americans would just “accept it” like everything else, I would say that SOME, certainly WOULD, if only because they don’t even know what the hell has hit them yet. I know that sounds simplistic, but it applies to a large portion of the masses. So, that’s problematic, and it’s also part of the reason why we’ve seemingly “accepted” all of this. (which isn’t entirely true, but I agree that it would certainly APPEAR that way.) Many folks simply are out of the loop, or haven’t yet connected the dots. That has been very intentionally managed over the years, by keeping everybody in the dark.

For those of us who ARE gradually making those connections, I’d like to think that would be the trigger, or as another poster has said..the straw that broke the camels back. On the other hand, as she also mentioned, we’ve got a whole bunch of parapalegic camels around, scattered among plenty of straw. So, which straw, and which camel?

I don’t know. I wish I did.

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By 911truthdotorg, July 19, 2007 at 10:50 pm Link to this comment

cyrena -

I enjoy doing my small part, thanks!

Listen to this interview by Paul Craig Roberts.
Finally, a true conservative is waking up…I hope, in recognizing the true threat that these monsters are to this country.

Audio:
http://ia341204.us.archive.org/0/items/71907ThomHartmannInterviewsPaulCraigRoberts/7_19_07Hartmann_PaulCraigRoberts.mov

His article where he questions 9/11:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18037.htm

Google videos: 9/11 Press for Truth, Loose Change 2nd Edition, America: Freedom to Fascism

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By cyrena, July 19, 2007 at 10:33 pm Link to this comment

#88154 by 911truthdotorg on 7/19 at 9:02 pm

Well, thanks for doing your small part. I read that thing, (the E/O) and after sorting out the legalese, it pretty says that this is likely to apply to any and all 300 million of us.

I mean, theoretically speaking. They probably won’t go after the homeless among us, since we don’t have any property. But, for a bunch of us pensioners, (not to mention the entire working class…those few who are still employed) this could be the beginning of the last stage of the end.

Seriously. I know it sounds dramatic and all, but basically, this order says he can not only take whatever you think you have, home, car, cattle, land, life savings, safe-deposit boxes, (that would be for the lucky few that still have them) pensions, social security, (again, those still lucky enough to receive those few pennies of what they’ve paid into the system for decades), but they really don’t need a REASON. In theory, any single bank transaction could become “evidence” that you are threatening the stability of Iraq.

So, this is clearly another horrible step on the way to what we now have to accept as a totalitarian police state. Who would have thought it?

Meantime, here’s something else that hasn’t popped up on our MSM here at home yet.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/071907K.shtml

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By oketa, July 19, 2007 at 10:32 pm Link to this comment

So, what happens if Bush decides that he needs to remain in power to protect American?  He has already shown a complete disregard for the law. Under the current “state of emergency” that we are in, he might just cancel the next election.

I wonder how people would react. Would they just accept it like they have everything else that Bush has done to them?

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By farmertx, July 19, 2007 at 10:31 pm Link to this comment

i) to have committed, or to pose a significant risk of committing, an act or acts of violence that have the purpose or effect of:

(A) threatening the peace or stability of Iraq or the Government of Iraq; or

(B) undermining efforts to promote economic reconstruction and political reform in Iraq or to provide humanitarian assistance to the Iraqi people;

The above is excerpted from that Executive Order. It would seem, and granted, that is an ambiguous term to use with this administration, to apply only to acts of violence.
However, I am sure that the Brown One could rule that all of us are guilty, should Der Karl decide that needs to happen.

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By 911truthdotorg, July 19, 2007 at 10:02 pm Link to this comment

#88151 by cyrena on 7/19 at 8:49 pm
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#88148 by 911truthdotorg on 7/19 at 8:37 pm

Holy Shit!!

I’m reading it now. How did we not know this?

We didn’t know because like with everything else, the MSM doesn’t tell us.

I’m just trying to do my small part.

Google videos: 9/11 Press for Truth, Loose Change 2nd Edition, America: Freedom to Fascism

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By cyrena, July 19, 2007 at 9:49 pm Link to this comment

#88148 by 911truthdotorg on 7/19 at 8:37 pm

Holy Shit!!

I’m reading it now. How did we not know this?

The criminal-in-chief has just signed an executive order allowing the property to be taken away from anyone who protests the Iraq war (Daily Kos and Digg)

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/07/200707 17-3.html

Well, yes….we DID know it was coming to this. It’s BEEN coming to this.

Thanks for the latest tip/evidence-in-writing.

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By 911truthdotorg, July 19, 2007 at 9:37 pm Link to this comment

The criminal-in-chief has just signed an executive order allowing the property to be taken away from anyone who protests the Iraq war (Daily Kos and Digg)

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/07/20070717-3.html

DHS and FEMA have built detention centers around the country for the “dissenters”.

Google videos: 9/11 Press for Truth, Loose Change 2nd Edition, America: Freedom to Fascism

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By mas, July 19, 2007 at 9:05 pm Link to this comment

Actually that was a play on words…wheres a cop when you need one.
This is not about the aggressive war that he declared but is about the underlying foundation of his decision making process. 
A little looking around on the internet will tell you that he has a different philosophy and it is directly opposed to what America stands for and what he vowed to uphold.  He and others who agree to the dismantling of America are Traitors.
This is a fact.
I am not in for any violence however I agree with you on the difficulty of getting people to do anything about it.
Do you think that a majority of Americans would actually take a risk for what they have inherited?  If people dont earn something then they tend to take it for granted.
I for one dont want to wait for another staged attack on us.  And it seems that standing up for our free speech and questioning what our president ( who after all is merely an employee ) does in our name is now an act which could be judged terrorist supporting !!
I would say that the president and his handlers will not give a rats tush about what we do…they will force us or merely wait us out.
We need action this is true…hopefully NOT violent, but action none the less.

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By Kwagmyre, July 19, 2007 at 8:30 pm Link to this comment
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From Mas #88108:

“Where is a COUP when you need one?”

Funny, I’ve been endorsing that when posting on other topics on Truthdig related to this.  In the scenario I envision, this would be led by no less than Colin Powell, so it’s along the lines of “Seven Days in May.”

But I realize of course that it’s only wishful thinking with absolutely NO chance of happening.

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By cann4ing, July 19, 2007 at 8:02 pm Link to this comment

Sorry Mas, but if you have in mind for a coup, a violent military takeover of the U.S. government, you will get no support from me.  There is a peaceful, non-violent means to bring this government to its knees.  It’s called a general strike.  If everyone first stocked up, then simply stayed home, refusing to go to work, within one week you would see legislation bringing the war to an abrupt end.  But getting the 70% of Americans who want this war to end when you can’t even get half of that to the voting booths would be no easy task.

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By CaptainCanada, July 19, 2007 at 7:36 pm Link to this comment
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It is truly distressing as America’s neighbour to see what is happening within your Republic. Every passing day it seems as if Americans as a people are slapped in their collective face by their own government yet they do nothing. Lyndon Johnson lied about the Gulf of Tonkin and got you into a full-scale war in Vietnam. Nixon lied about Chile and with Kissinger subverted the Paris Vietnam talks - ensuring the war would continue four more years. Ford pardons him. Reagan sells weapons to Iran and then to the Contra rebels - both treasonable offenses and violations of congressional law - and gets away with it. Bush I lied about foreknowledge regarding Iraq’s invasion of Kuwait. Clinton lied his way into bombing Yugoslavia (there never were any mass graves of Kosovars). Now Bush II lies you into another Vietnam in Iraq. Yet…you’re ready to believe the propaganda about Iran… How can a democratic people be so gullible. 500 billion in taxpayers dollars wasted in Iraq - most of it going to defense contractors and friends of the vice-president and other officials. You foot the bill. Where is the anger? The Democrats run on anti-Iraq war platform….then support the President right after they’re elected. Why aren’t you overthrowing cars and burning tires in the streets. Europeans would…even Canadians would. Instead…you sit there and take it. Time and again. Your politicians treat you like shit…because you deserve it.

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By micro-politician, July 19, 2007 at 7:33 pm Link to this comment
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how did Madison survive without a social security number?  Can you imagine giving those dudes a SS#!  Adams, Paine, Hancock!  You would have tasted hot lead first.

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By micro-politician, July 19, 2007 at 7:30 pm Link to this comment
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if only modern Democrats had a real interest in James Madison.  The Repubs would be a mini-minority party.  At least 20% of the Republican vote comes from people who have little in common with the Republicans, but simply “want to oppose big government liberalism.”

But as Reagan said, “... when they start talking like that, then you’ll know they’ve really changed.”

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By mas, July 19, 2007 at 7:03 pm Link to this comment

What in the hell is wrong with us?

We have a neo-con in office who has blatantly lied about his Oath of Office, has no regard for the People or the Constitution.  This order of his is another slap in the face of us Sovereign People.

Where is the Spirit?

If you dont know what a neo-con is then go to their website….http://www.newamericancentury.org/  they’re not ashamed!  They will tell you.

Our problem is that we talk and talk ...aannnnddd talk,,,but we dont act.


Where is a COUP when you need one?

mas

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By Andy Lyons, July 19, 2007 at 5:56 pm Link to this comment
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History will judge George Bush very harshly.

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By Hammo, July 19, 2007 at 2:46 pm Link to this comment

As many have pointed out, the psychology of Bush, Cheney and their associates is worth examining.

The psychology of American society at this point in time is also crucial. Are we avoiding responsiblity? Are we sliding into some kind of psychological illness in accepting the death, destruction and lies of the Bush-Cheney bunch?

And what is the role of the media in this?

Food for thought to kick around some of the questions in the article ...

“Being open to perception can be troubling, enlightening” (July 16, 2007)

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=32379

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