I haven’t had much to say on this because this is just a hypocrite who happens to be a GOP Senator. Where is the stop-the-presses news flash story in that? His kind are dime a dozen, like hypocrite Democrat Senators. He didn’t commit a felony or even a crime, send me the memo when we can indict him for something meaningful, so I can watch Gonzo’s people screw up the prosecution, then still nail him, and then have W pardon him, then have Gonzo purge prosecutor. Then refuse to tell the truth about it to Congress. Till then, I don’t even want to hear him get face time to tell the world about how he has been forgiven by his God. Who cares?

#87629 by Skruff on 7/18 at 4:57 am
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87545 by scurvybro on 7/17 at 4:56 pm

“...the answer lies in liberals ‘to stop being so damned polite.’”

I don’t see it.  Here on Truthdig it appears that SELF IDENTIFIED liberals & Conservatives are equally as rude and obnoxious. neither the left nor right has a lock on civility (my personal observation)

There’s a vast difference between posters on Truthdig and politicians and other public officials, won’t you agree? It is this latter group to whom I was referring in my exhortation to be more forceful. With a scant few exceptions (only Jim Webb of Virginia comes to mind), Democratic public figures still mainly wither when presented with expressions of liberal stereotypes.

#87890 by carole on 7/18 at 8:50 pm

Actually carole, I know what you mean about the WP and Catholic thing, but in all honesty, Catholics have been all that “popular” among this group of “Christian’s” either. At least not for long. In not so distant times, Catholics were pretty much stepchildren of the “faith”, at least from the view of the WASP’s.

I think this is a whole new breed of phony piety types, since they’ve sort of all re-organized under a slightly different umbrella in the 21st Century.

Skruff:

‘I have lived an a bunch of states, and stayed in several Canadian provences.  I have yet to find a place where there is no prostitution, and where that activity is not “winked at” by local authorities.’

You’re right Skruff, (about the prostitution). It is in fact one of the oldest professions on record, so I’ve always been for legalizing it. Just a lot safer, all the way around, and the owners of such establishments should pay taxes, and provide health and other coverage for it’s employees.

Brusays,

How poetic, makes me misty. Well said.

To Lloyd,

Ah, were it only that the highly organized, deeply political and brazenly biased religions of Judaisim, Islam and Christianity truly supported “simple faith and humility.”

They don’t, they won’t and they can’t and therefore they will continue to be subject to the empirical tests of verification of the senses. And rightly so.

Were it only so simple. Were it only that mankind could separate God from religion.

Hey Lloyd,

Have you talked to god in this deeper language ?  Please tell me more. Vitter said he talked to him.  Do you think Vitter’s fibbing ?  Will you share the secret of communication with god ? Come on, we’re all friends here.

Bravo Lloyd!  Fantastic post!
Thank you!

The democrat party locked up the African-American vote, the teachers, the unions, the dis-enfranchised, most Jews, most Catholics and everyone else who wants something from the government (socialists). What was left for the republicans ?  The religious freaks.  That’s how we wind up with the Vitter’s of the world.

That’s funny stuff!  I always dreamed of being a reporter on Arnold Schwarzenegger’s campaign for governor and asking him questions which would only be answered by lines from his movie.  That would be fun.  Living your life by only delivering movie quotes…

In order to keep us from violently revolting and/or crying out of despair from our government, we must never lose our sense of humor.

I suppose we’re all getting just a bit off-topic on Mr. Vitter’s but it has brought up some great one-liners and quotes:

“Religion is for people who don’t want to go to hell for what they’re doing; spirituality is for those who have already been there for what they have already done.” Goffredo’s friend.

“Religion is the opium of the people” Karl Marx (though I think I learned it as, “Religion is the opiate of the masses.” Same thing, of course.
“All religions are failures. Every one of them.” ITW

“Religion is Man’s way of explaining the unexplainable; nothing more; nothing less.” Anonymous.

Moving right along….

I’ll never understand Bible Thumpers who attempt to confirm the validity of the Bible by quoting from it! Can you think of anything more absurd? Can you imagine if we conducted our entire lives with such insane reasoning?

To add to the insanity, virtually every religion claims itself as the ‘true’ word with the ‘true’ (and invariably) only path to salvation. Either just one of them’s right or they’re ALL wrong. I’ll vote the latter. Geezzzz….no wonder the world’s so screwed up!

At times, stereotypes can function as a useful, if limited shorthand. They can be funny, too. However, their benign use is dependent on the speaker’s awareness of their limitations and his or her skill in expressing them.

Regrettably, stereotypes too often morph beyond broad caricature into conventional wisdom. This is what has happened to the terms “liberal” and “conservative” and, once again, I put much of the blame on our favorite usual suspect, the mainstream media.

How often do we hear or read journalists and commentators automatically ascribe qualities such as patriotism and religiosity to conservatives, while concepts such as amorality and America-bashing are assigned to liberals? It happens so often that there’s nothing exceptional about it. Such usage is entrenched as part of the vernacular, as well as the mindset. The latest example is Sirius radio’s labeling of its conservative and liberal offerings. Liberal programs fall under the rubric of “Sirius Left,” while conservative programming is called “Sirius Patriot.” No bias there, eh?

Change will not happen quickly, if at all. But if it is to happen, I agree with Mr. Conason that the answer lies in liberals “to stop being so damned polite.” More to the point, get pissed off. Shove it right back in their faces with pointed examples, and make them justify their lazy-ass assessments.

Yeah, I know they’ll try to dismiss us by saying we’re angry. So what? Explain that anger is the reasonable reaction a rational person would have to the outrages inflicted upon us for the past six-plus years. It’s not like we have much to lose by doing so.

“Religion is the opium of the people” - KM

it’s a great racket. wish i had thought of it.

ITW,

Cyrena has a point about “Western Religions”. However, those of us who are not “sticklers” for exacting points get your point. What you meant is simply “the three major world religions that infect Western civilization”. But if people come right out and say things like that, they’re called “prejudiced” or “a name caller”. And if you point out that the Middle East has produced the three most egregious horrors against humanity, society and human freedom, Islam, Judaism and Christianity, well, you’re asking for a shovel to the face by those who mouth platitudes of a “united world” and “tolerance”!

So, it’s just a matter of personal decision of how many shovels to the face you’re willing to take from people preaching a future Utopic world where we all get along and hold hands and sing or having the courage to simply be a “name-calling illiterate moron” because really, the people that insist you sound intelligent whilst being accurate tend to start up their steam rollers and head straight for you.

Personally, I kinda like putting my face right out there and saying, “You don’t scare me!” Because the harder they hit, the more they’re saying, “See?! It’s people like YOU that we have to get rid of before this world is perfect for the rest of us!” Because it is to laugh when tolerance is proven a tissue paper thin veneer for what truly lies beneath every human.

Some humans can manage true lifestyles of tolerance. But if you want to see the worst of humanity, walk around with a lit cigarette sometime. You’ll see these same “saints” suddenly become the most hateful, discrimanatory animals on the planet. Because EVERYONE needs an enemy to feel superior to. They will make the virulently religious look like some of the most tolerant people around!

So it’s not a bash on anyone! I’m just saying it’s a lose/lose situation anyway, so hey, spew forth as you like. The more accurate you are, the more they’ll hate you.

#87243 by Inherit The Wind on 7/16 at 9:43 am

ITW….

Not for the first time, have I agreed with the general foundation of your posts, even though I do sometimes have to question your logic. Still, this was one of your better posts, EXCEPT that you toss in statements like this:

•  Start with the three Western religions: Judaism, Christianity, and Islam

Now, just with that alone, you could discourage further reading, (at least by a purist), because Islam doesn’t come even close to being a “Western” religion, and I wouldn’t say that the roots of Judaism are “Western” either, though that might be argued by those who know Judaism far better than I. But to include Islam in what you are calling “Western religions” is like a major scholastic error, and is exactly the kind of thing that drives the animosity of the Islamic world. They are NOT a “Western” religion or other phenomena, and they have been adamantly rejecting what they see as the “encroachment” of the West upon their own cultures and traditions, and ways of life.

So, while I agree that most of these “religious” identities are meaningless, you just can’t make statements like this, which are downright misleading and detract from the greater point that you are trying to make.

Well, we saw phony piety on display again today with Senator Vitter displaying his wife in order to bail him out. It amazes me once again how clowns like Vitter get elected in these red neck states. These guys expose Christian beliefs to ridicule with their hypocrisy. If this guy had any “values” he would have immediately resigned. But if he just keeps his mouth shut for the remainder of his term about the “sanctity of marriage”, that will be reward enough for us voters. What gets me is commentators like Tucker Carlson trying to make the media out like the bad guys. The media may have its faults but they love to cover hypocritical politicians. And it’s nice to again see Republicans squirm after they way they crucified Clinton for his sexual escapades. They deserve all of the spotlight that the media can shed on them.

Comment#87077 by Goffredo on 7/15 at 11:08 am

Goffredo, Your comment/question:

•  Again, the situation is rather syllogistic.  Vitter frequented a prostitute.  Prostitution is illegal. Vitter is a citizen of the United States of America. Therefore, he is subject to the penalty for breaking the law.
Am I off-base with this analysis?

Nope, you’re not off-base at all, except of course that you’re still going by things like “laws” and the violations thereof. Unfortunately, we haven’t operated under any legitimate legal system in the US for at least 7 years. It’s complete lawlessness.

Still, it’s good to know that some of us remember this whole concept of being a nation dictated by the rule of law, just so we’ll know how it’s SUPPOSED to work, if we ever get a chance to use it agaon.

Meantime, prostitution actually IS legal in at least one state, which would be Nevada. There may be others, but Louisiana is one of those kinds of states where it’s quasi-legal, if only because it’s been part of the culture there, from much earlier times. So, while it would indeed be “illegal” there, (as far as I know) it also is not particularly well enforced, in all areas of the state. That’s another one of those States that has a tendency to still have some backward laws, and they work on a slightly different scheudule for other bureaucratic type things as well.

So, seeing as that is where vitter is from, and seeing as he’s just another one of “those” types anyway, my guess is this wasn’t his first or second visit with a prostitute, and it won’t be his last. Maybe he’ll have to stick with the hometown ladies that don’t have such sophisticated and large operations. Far less chance of his name winding up in a phone book, and then requiring yet another “confession”.

In all honesty, I don’t think I care about his time with prostitutes, but it’s really annoying when any of these guys do this stuff on OUR dime, instead of their own.

“let us remain skeptical whenever an ostentatiously pious conservative presumes to judge the faith of liberal Christians—including candidates for president.”

If only a candidate for president were able to be honest about his/her belief in something other than christianity.

The bible thumpers and jesus-freaks are NOT Christians. Their stock in trade is redneck bigotry and hatred? What has that to do with the teachings of Jesus Christ? Falwell, robertson, dobson, parsely, oral roberts, haggard, swaggert, bakker are bunko con artists, plain and simple.  They should be investigated and sent to prison.  It is interesting that vitter only sought forgiveness after he was caught.  Clinton had an office affair but should have had better judgement.  Vitter received calls from his prostitutes while the House floor.  Creationist, inbred bible-thumpers are a greater danger to the US and to us than al qaeda. These side show freaks want to turn us into a dark age theocracy.  I like the above comment on spirituality.  Organized religion is what you get when the bureaucrats hijack spiritualty.

MightyPup,

1) Prostitution is illegal.

2) The crack backs are a result of the constant “we’re bringing honor and integrity back to Washington” quote by the Republicans.  The same ones who are trying to protect the “sacred institution of marriage” by opposing gay marriage but yet frequenting a prostitute as a means of setting an example of a healthy marriage (?) 

Not sure what you mean by “doing things the way they are supposed to be done.”  So…according to that logic, our federal and/or state laws are completely and utterly irrelevant and useless because as long as you square it with God and your wife, everything is legit. 

Again, the situation is rather syllogistic.  Vitter frequented a prostitute.  Prostitution is illegal. Vitter is a citizen of the United States of America. Therefore, he is subject to the penalty for breaking the law.
Am I off-base with this analysis?

I think he just doesn’t get it. I wrote Vitter expressing my support. He did things exactly the way they are supposed to be done. Christians are not perfect people, they are people who get back up. He did wrong, and he confessed his sin to his God and his wife, and repented. The fact that he did wrong long ago and the public is just now finding out does not mean he is a hypocrite, it is evidence that he takes what the Lord said seriously.

Isn’t it interesting how a significant percentage of the American population wants to control what everyone else does and thinks: all the way down to their sexual practices?

Psychologically speaking, the religious right is interesting in that they tend to fall for whatever forbidden fruit appeals to them the most. They seem to condemn the practice, while practicing it!

This sort of weird, repressed sexuality has a long and storied history in America, going back at least to the Puritans. It seems that, by condemning certain sexual behavior, we give it the mystic appeal of the forbidden, which makes more people want to try it.

Then you’ve got really, really weird right-wingers like Ann Coulter, who markets herself as an allegedly attractive blond who makes a living bashing Muslims and Middle Eastern men while (if we are to give credence to the rumors) dating them. Again, the lust for forbidden fruit.

I have long espoused the libertarian view: why in the world should we care what politicians say about religion and sex? In fact, isn’t it kind of creepy that they claim authority to address these issues at all?

Cyrena - Bukko,

A old friend of mine gave me that nugget years ago.  I can relate to it, as often times, when one arrives at a level of humility and is willing to make amends for previous transgressions, then and only then does one feel some sense of spirituality.  The problems today is that so many confess not out of true contrition and willingness to change current behavior but rather out of fear of judgment in the after-life.  All the while these same people continue to exhibit the same behavior and remain completely self-absorbed. 

During this time of illegal war the right is so concerned with judgment and punishment.  Ironically, they call themselves “Christians”, which could not be further what they truly embody.  They claim compassion and understanding but it is completely conditional on you supporting the illegal war and supporting America in her search for a global empire.

And this is why I am a spiritual person and not a religious one…

I second Cyrena about that “Religion is for…” quote, Goffredo, especially the first part. Did you come up with that yourself? If so—QUICK—copyright it!

Skruff:
  I’m assuming the libertarians have money, many are business people, and want little to no regulation, or taxes. Thats what the R’s cater to.  If in fact a lot of libertarians don’t fit that bill, and they still vote R- they are simply being snookered.

Comment#86936 by Goffredo on 7/14 at 4:31 pm

Goffredo: I have absolutely NEVER heard this explained or otherwise articulated any better than you have…

....“Religion is for people who don’t want to go to hell for what they’re doing; spirituality is for those who have already been there for what they have already done.”.....

Man oh man…is THIS ever true. I’ve already memorized it….

My favorites are the “laundry list” prayer requests and the “God told me to do it” types.  Wow! If I could only use that excuse when being late for work.  What? It wouldn’t work?  Bush invaded Iraq because God told him, “George, you go free those people.”  If it works for preemptive war it has to work for being 15 minutes late to the office?!
Religion is for people who don’t want to go to hell for what they’re doing; spirituality is for those who have already been there for what they have already done.

Part 1

Sorry. It’s a two-parter…

Ummm.. wow! I’m not used to being backed up. LOL. Thank you everyone for your kind responses.

I remember Jim & Tammy Faye. We threw a three day party when they were caught and all the swinging (which I am not opposed to at all), the air-conditioned dog houses, the boob jobs and the exuberant lifestyle was revealed. In fact, most of America cheered and laughed while pointing fingers at the entire congregations of these schills. Don’t expect pity, my dear hypochristians!

The problem, I think, lies in the lies of “holy books”. NOTHING “Jesus” said was actually written down until 80 years AFTER his death. And while the convinced will use the argument, “At that time, people were a verbal-relating society so their memories were exact” is all bullshit. The Islamics use the same argument. Everything Mohammed said was unremittingly memorized by men who came from a verbal society, so everything is, of course, perfect.

Go to boot camp. There is an exercise performed there that proves the falsehood of “exact memory”. People are put into a line. The Drill Instructor (or whatever depending on the service) whispers an exact message to pass along, such as: “Ridge 3 ReCon will meet up with Ranger 4 at coordinates zero zero mikey four in two days. Squad needs to be at coordiantes by <insert hours here>”. The message is passed along, verbally, by each man down the line.

By the time it gets to the end of the line, the message is: “Three poodles are meeting an umbrella at dawn for a cribbage game.”
So many people have proven the falsehoods, the eradications of books from the bible, the lies, the inequities, the editing, the eliminations of words that meant something when they concerned women into a misogynist’s dream world, the thefts from other “holy books” written centuries before Benjy came along, how can you take ANYTHING in there seriously? But people say they do and then don’t and that’s what we’re all pissed about. If these people really DID take things seriously from their book, they would only own one house, one car, treat their employees like human beings worthy of respect and follow the meanings if not the words of a pretty interesting guy who had a LOT of balls to do what he did. And no, I don’t believe in the whole “Jesus” thing. The man was just a man, nothing more, and his name was Benjamin Bar Joseph. Census records confirm this, but when you tell a hypochristian that, they laugh and say it just isn’t true! Then you ask them, “Why were Joseph and Mary in Bethlehem to being with again?...” and they run away or cloak themselves in righteous indignation and attack. Point out to old ladies and loudmouths at executions that the bible clearly states it is not “an eye for an eye” but “Thou shalt NOT take an eye for an eye, nor tooth for tooth, nor nail for nail. Vengence is mine and mine alone sayeth the Lord” and then show them in their own bible, and they brush it away and accuse you of having your own heretical version of the bible printed up merely to “instill doubt in believers”. Yes, this argument was actually used against me. Then you show them Benjy’s birthday is actually March 28th and they are in fact celebrating a Pagan holiday…

Part Deux

Nothing is perfect. But when you allow all the poisons in the mud to hatch out, what you get is a decent story about a ballsy guy who just wanted everyone to treat people fairly. Odd thing is, when you get past the bullshit in all other religions, you get the same thing. And that fact that these things were done by simple human beings and not gods? There’s your miracle!

And military chaplains are taught how to circumvent christian beliefs in order to keep men and women fighting and killing. They are masters at talking people out of understanding, it don’t matter if you ask for forgiveness or repent or do anything else, no one has to forgive you! It’s not mandatory for your god or a savior to do so. Especially when you go out and do it all over again.

So keep claiming you’re saved. You are not. Keep buying cars and toys and houses. Wait until you really see what’s on the other side… And keep spitting on the thoughts and ruminations of a guy who owned one pair of sandals, lived with his parents and, despite having a clear psychic vision of what would happen to him if he kept speaking up and ruining Roman society, stepped out of his mom’s dark tiny house, looked around at all the faces waiting to see if he would sissy up or balls out, and opened his frightened mouth anyway.

That’s what hypochristians are doing every day. That’s what they’re instilling a hatred for when they beat their kids or send them to mind-control camp and make them worship an idol of Bu$h. This is why apparently a whole lot of us jeer and boo your asses out of the park and laugh at Jerry Falwell’s death. And Pat fricken Robbinson should crack open his own bible once in a while and re-read that Commandment One a few times. Thou Shalt Not Kill. That’s it! There is no “But… there are exceptions ...” When he shows me his god’s commandment that “Thou shalt call for Black Ops to send snipers to take out those whom Pat Robbinson and company deem ‘dangerous’ or unuseful to society,” well, expect me to demand that god come down in person, writeit with his finger in the sky and make all who are skeptical suddenly drop dead.

These sons of bitches had best hope there truly is no god out there. They got a LOT to answer for before they’re cast away.

See, with me not believing in the whole bullshit thing of religion, I have zero problem with people killing each other. They’re going to do that anyway because this world can’t support us all and assholes are still objected to birth control, abortion, dying when you’re supposed to and NOT being on fricken life support, and trying to “live healthier” so you can live past 100. Funny thing, when cancer comes to get me, I’ll let it. Christians are the first up to spend money they don’t have and wreck their families by “fighting just as hard as I can.” What’samattawityou? Ain’t you ever heard of “God’s will”? Oh. Yeah. You have. See what spending your whole false life gets ya? But you have a whole lot more to fear from death than most of us apparently do.

If you give money to a “spiritual leader” and they end up living in a better house, driving a better car and eating a better diet than you - you are being conned.

Religion, as opposed to spirituality, is the oldest con in the world.

As a 2nd generation atheist I marvel at the gullibility of religious followers - their “spiritual” leaders appetite for heinous crimes and misdemeanors of greed and lust are exposed over and over through out the millennia. The hypocrisy of their “enlightened” gurus is plain to see by the light from the glitter of their indulgent life styles.

Why is it so hard to let go of the farce when the facts are right in front of you on the table? Why are so many people addicted to this drug? I understand faith, spirituality and a need for communion but why pay so dearly to the middle man? Why sacrifice your personal “salvation” to the con artist?

Oregonian, you might be right about the Libertarians. If they vote their pocket-books they will vote R, but the evangelicals are likely to be a threat to their freedoms -if they had any sense they would desert the Rs.

  I don’t fear the Libertarians. I think they will always be a fringe group.

It’s all about the MONEY. Repugs and christians believe in only one thing Making a buck at the expense of the many. That hymn is one of my favorites..” Fleecing all the Sheep”. Must be sung while opening stacks of mail, all with a check or cash.
What Joe forgot to mention is the amount of children taking over the ” Family Business” of husking the suckers out of their money. Think Billy Graham and Franklin and the evangelistic association..

The book “American Fascists” by Chris Hedges exposes the Christian right for the frauds they are, including their hypocrisy, hatred toward anyway who isn’t like them, cheerleaders for the war in Iraq, hucksters for enriching their own pockets, and defenders of the rich. Jimmy Carter also exposed them and took to task the Southern Baptists for their turn to the extreme right. Bush of course has added fuel to the fire with his “born again” pronouncements. There is not much worse than a reformed drunk, who then can lecture the rest of us on moral values. No wonder most of the sane American are turned off by this entire travesty. I just hope the Republicans get their just desserts in 2008.

WykydRed

  I will be unhappy if your post is deleted. While I’m only 90% in agreement, it contained some important experiences, that those of us who have avoided living in the bible belt should be aware of.

  There is a partial truth about Demos being godless. Essentially anyone who isn’t a believer has been driven leftward by this C%#@^. So while it is incorrect to say that all Democrats/Liberals are not believers, you can say that nearly all unbelievers are liberals.

  I’m afraid religion has become the primary partisan divider in our country. If you believe in a particular (reactionary) interpretation of Christianity you are a Republican. If you have a more liberal Christianity -or other religion -or lack of, you gotta cast your lot with the liberals. The good old days when religion rarely had an effect on elections are long gone.

Just a quick description of “real Christians”....

These people practice(d) “Liberation Theology”...

Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

Father/Bishop Oscar Romero

They were both assassinated as a result, and there have been so many others as well, including those men and women of the cloth, that are attempting to serve the needs of so many people, who have been marginalized throughout the world.

THAT is doing God’s work, and one never need mention His name, or refer to one single Holy Book in the process.

Rather, they just DO THE RIGHT THING, which is STILL the right thing, whether we believe in God or not.

#86733 by WykydRed on 7/13 at 4:44 pm

WykydRed: I very much appreciate ALL of your post.

On this part though, I want you to be relieved….

....“I have no doubt this post as well will be deleted when some pseudo-christian complains about it, as some of the others have been. Just proves my point.)”....

BECAUSE…even if it IS deleted, (and I have a feeling it will NOT be, because this is the stuff that we ALL need to read) I’ve retained a copy of your excellent post, and so we’ll just keep posting it.

Good! Actual Christians speak up against these soulless beasts! About time.

Everytime some idiot says, “I’m a Christian!” it usually means they’re forcing a citizen to relinquish all their rights under the Constitution. It’s like the South. Say what you will about how “urban and educated” they are there, they are not! I spent three Halloweens listening to several so-called christian churches preach and put out flyers flat out saying they were going to “poison the candy so your kids will die unless this ungodly night is stopped once and for all”. (Yeah, I still have a few of the flyers so I’m quoting.) Were they arrested? No. Did the cops show up at all? No. The COPS said they were right in their First Amendment use, but WE were not for complaining. Watching the news, in another city in South Carolina, a couple who love Halloween put up some little gargoyles and pentagrams and spiderwebs and were going to enjoy the holiday. Their neighbors, all of whom showed up on tv claiming to be “Good, Righteous Christians” gathered around their house and demanded that everything come down AT ONCE! Their claim was that no one had the right to hurt their little weenie feelings and that “such things of the Devil” were interfering with their rights as christians. The homeowners were forced by the police to take everything down “because your neighbors have rights not to be offended.”

That’s how it’s worked for a long time in this country, and it’s only getting worse. These godless jackals have made their positions of hatred, intolerance, utter lack of respect for anyone not mooing in cadence with the herd and demanding that only their “christian values” be honored in this country and to hell with everyone else quite clear, but as soon as one person speaks against it, their klan comes running in to yell “you’re a christian basher! We don’t deserve this! We’re christians!”

The real Christians do indeed live by the whole live and let live thing, but it’s loooooong past time for everyone to start speaking up and slamming these theives, pedophiles and dictators into complete and utter silence. Let them preach their hatred in their well taxed churches. Take away their tax credits for contributions. Let them live by the words they claim to live by: Render unto Ceasar what is Ceasar’s and unto God what is God’s!

But then they can’t do that, can they? Not after they’ve made their position perfectly clear that, “God? We’ve prayed and prayed and prayed and you still won’t kill the abortionists, the ‘Liberals’ and the gays, lesbians and Pagans. You won’t strike dead the judges who uphold that lousy Constitution that is preventing this country from falling under OUR jurisdiction or smite people who refuse to clothe naked statues. So you know what God? To hell with you! WE’LL take things into our own hands thank you very much. WE’LL make laws and force others into doing exactly what WE want because WE are the voice of God, not you and your lousy rules. Go jump off a cliff, Jesus. You guys are done. We just need to invoke your names is all. We’ll teach people fear, by god!”

Thanks to those people, I finally saw the light and dropped any belief in a “higher power”. I appreciate the freedom guys. And I will use it at every opportunity ...

(I have no doubt this post as well will be deleted when some pseudo-christian complains about it, as some of the others have been. Just proves my point.)