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Iraq Vets Break Silence on Devastating Realities of War

Posted on Jul 12, 2007
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An early photo from the Iraq war, taken in April 2003, shows a wounded girl at a hospital in Basra, in southern Iraq.

Chris Hedges and Laila Al-Arian

Truthdig contributor Chris Hedges teamed up with Laila Al-Arian for The Nation’s shocking report “The Other War: Iraq Vets Bear Witness,” in which American vets describe, in graphic detail that will challenge even the least fainthearted readers, “the disparity between the reality of the war and how it is portrayed by the US government and American media.” This article is from the July 30 issue of The Nation and can be viewed on The Nation website.

Over the past several months The Nation has interviewed fifty combat veterans of the Iraq War from around the United States in an effort to investigate the effects of the four-year-old occupation on average Iraqi civilians. These combat veterans, some of whom bear deep emotional and physical scars, and many of whom have come to oppose the occupation, gave vivid, on-the-record accounts. They described a brutal side of the war rarely seen on television screens or chronicled in newspaper accounts.

Their stories, recorded and typed into thousands of pages of transcripts, reveal disturbing patterns of behavior by American troops in Iraq. Dozens of those interviewed witnessed Iraqi civilians, including children, dying from American firepower. Some participated in such killings; others treated or investigated civilian casualties after the fact. Many also heard such stories, in detail, from members of their unit. The soldiers, sailors and marines emphasized that not all troops took part in indiscriminate killings. Many said that these acts were perpetrated by a minority. But they nevertheless described such acts as common and said they often go unreported—and almost always go unpunished.

Court cases, such as the ones surrounding the massacre in Haditha and the rape and murder of a 14-year-old in Mah­mudiya, and news stories in the Washington Post, Time, the London Independent and elsewhere based on Iraqi accounts have begun to hint at the wide extent of the attacks on civilians. Human rights groups have issued reports, such as Human Rights Watch’s Hearts and Minds: Post-war Civilian Deaths in Baghdad Caused by U.S. Forces, packed with detailed incidents that suggest that the killing of Iraqi civilians by occupation forces is more common than has been acknowledged by military authorities.

This Nation investigation marks the first time so many on-the-record, named eyewitnesses from within the US military have been assembled in one place to openly corroborate these assertions.

While some veterans said civilian shootings were routinely investigated by the military, many more said such inquiries were rare. “I mean, you physically could not do an investigation every time a civilian was wounded or killed because it just happens a lot and you’d spend all your time doing that,” said Marine Reserve Lieut. Jonathan Morgenstein, 35, of Arlington, Virginia. He served from August 2004 to March 2005 in Ramadi with a Marine Corps civil affairs unit supporting a combat team with the Second Marine Expeditionary Brigade. (All interviewees are identified by the rank they held during the period of service they recount here; some have since been promoted or demoted.)

Veterans said the culture of this counterinsurgency war, in which most Iraqi civilians were assumed to be hostile, made it difficult for soldiers to sympathize with their victims—at least until they returned home and had a chance to reflect.

“I guess while I was there, the general attitude was, A dead Iraqi is just another dead Iraqi,” said Spc. Jeff Englehart, 26, of Grand Junction, Colorado. Specialist Englehart served with the Third Brigade, First Infantry Division, in Baquba, about thirty-five miles northeast of Baghdad, for a year beginning in February 2004. “You know, so what?... The soldiers honestly thought we were trying to help the people and they were mad because it was almost like a betrayal. Like here we are trying to help you, here I am, you know, thousands of miles away from home and my family, and I have to be here for a year and work every day on these missions. Well, we’re trying to help you and you just turn around and try to kill us.”

He said it was only “when they get home, in dealing with veteran issues and meeting other veterans, it seems like the guilt really takes place, takes root, then.”

The Iraq War is a vast and complicated enterprise. In this investigation of alleged military misconduct, The Nation focused on a few key elements of the occupation, asking veterans to explain in detail their experiences operating patrols and supply convoys, setting up checkpoints, conducting raids and arresting suspects. From these collected snapshots a common theme emerged. Fighting in densely populated urban areas has led to the indiscriminate use of force and the deaths at the hands of occupation troops of thousands of innocents.

Many of these veterans returned home deeply disturbed by the disparity between the reality of the war and the way it is portrayed by the US government and American media. The war the vets described is a dark and even depraved enterprise, one that bears a powerful resemblance to other misguided and brutal colonial wars and occupations, from the French occupation of Algeria to the American war in Vietnam and the Israeli occupation of Palestinian territory.

“I’ll tell you the point where I really turned,” said Spc. Michael Harmon, 24, a medic from Brooklyn. He served a thirteen-month tour beginning in April 2003 with the 167th Armor Regiment, Fourth Infantry Division, in Al-Rashidiya, a small town near Baghdad. “I go out to the scene and [there was] this little, you know, pudgy little 2-year-old child with the cute little pudgy legs, and I look and she has a bullet through her leg…. An IED [improvised explosive device] went off, the gun-happy soldiers just started shooting anywhere and the baby got hit. And this baby looked at me, wasn’t crying, wasn’t anything, it just looked at me like—I know she couldn’t speak. It might sound crazy, but she was like asking me why. You know, Why do I have a bullet in my leg?... I was just like, This is—this is it. This is ridiculous.”

Much of the resentment toward Iraqis described to The Nation by veterans was confirmed in a report released May 4 by the Pentagon. According to the survey, conducted by the Office of the Surgeon General of the US Army Medical Command, just 47 percent of soldiers and 38 percent of marines agreed that civilians should be treated with dignity and respect. Only 55 percent of soldiers and 40 percent of marines said they would report a unit member who had killed or injured “an innocent noncombatant.”

These attitudes reflect the limited contact occupation troops said they had with Iraqis. They rarely saw their enemy. They lived bottled up in heavily fortified compounds that often came under mortar attack. They only ventured outside their compounds ready for combat. The mounting frustration of fighting an elusive enemy and the devastating effect of roadside bombs, with their steady toll of American dead and wounded, led many troops to declare an open war on all Iraqis.

Veterans described reckless firing once they left their compounds. Some shot holes into cans of gasoline being sold along the roadside and then tossed grenades into the pools of gas to set them ablaze. Others opened fire on children. These shootings often enraged Iraqi witnesses.

In June 2003 Staff Sgt. Camilo Mejía’s unit was pressed by a furious crowd in Ramadi. Sergeant Mejía, 31, a National Guardsman from Miami, served for six months beginning in April 2003 with the 1-124 Infantry Battalion, Fifty-Third Infantry Brigade. His squad opened fire on an Iraqi youth holding a grenade, riddling his body with bullets. Sergeant Mejía checked his clip afterward and calculated that he had personally fired eleven rounds into the young man.

“The frustration that resulted from our inability to get back at those who were attacking us led to tactics that seemed designed simply to punish the local population that was supporting them,” Sergeant Mejía said.

We heard a few reports, in one case corroborated by photo­graphs, that some soldiers had so lost their moral compass that they’d mocked or desecrated Iraqi corpses. One photo, among dozens turned over to The Nation during the investigation, shows an American soldier acting as if he is about to eat the spilled brains of a dead Iraqi man with his brown plastic Army-issue spoon.

“Take a picture of me and this motherfucker,” a soldier who had been in Sergeant Mejía’s squad said as he put his arm around the corpse. Sergeant Mejía recalls that the shroud covering the body fell away, revealing that the young man was wearing only his pants. There was a bullet hole in his chest.

“Damn, they really fucked you up, didn’t they?” the soldier laughed.

The scene, Sergeant Mejía said, was witnessed by the dead man’s brothers and cousins.

In the sections that follow, snipers, medics, military police, artillerymen, officers and others recount their experiences serving in places as diverse as Mosul in the north, Samarra in the Sunni Triangle, Nasiriya in the south and Baghdad in the center, during 2003, 2004 and 2005. Their stories capture the impact of their units on Iraqi civilians.

A Note on Methodology

The Nation interviewed fifty combat veterans, including forty soldiers, eight marines and two sailors, over a period of seven months beginning in July 2006. To find veterans willing to speak on the record about their experiences in Iraq, we sent queries to organizations dedicated to US troops and their families, including Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America, the antiwar groups Military Families Speak Out, Veterans for Peace and Iraq Veterans Against the War and the prowar group Vets for Freedom. The leaders of IVAW and Paul Rieckhoff, the founder of IAVA, were especially helpful in putting us in touch with Iraq War veterans. Finally, we found veterans through word of mouth, as many of those we interviewed referred us to their military friends.

To verify their military service, when possible we obtained a copy of each interviewee’s DD Form 214, or the Certificate of Release or Discharge From Active Duty, and in all cases confirmed their service with the branch of the military in which they were enlisted. Nineteen interviews were conducted in person, while the rest were done over the phone; all were tape-recorded and transcribed; all but five interviewees (most of those currently on active duty) were independently contacted by fact checkers to confirm basic facts about their service in Iraq. Of those interviewed, fourteen served in Iraq from 2003 to 2004, twenty from 2004 to 2005 and two from 2005 to 2006. Of the eleven veterans whose tours lasted less than one year, nine served in 2003, while the others served in 2004 and 2005.

The ranks of the veterans we interviewed ranged from private to captain, though only a handful were officers. The veterans served throughout Iraq, but mostly in the country’s most volatile areas, such as Baghdad, Tikrit, Mosul, Falluja and Samarra.

During the course of the interview process, five veterans turned over photographs from Iraq, some of them graphic, to corroborate their claims.




“So we get started on this day, this one in particular,” recalled Spc. Philip Chrystal, 23, of Reno, who said he raided between twenty and thirty Iraqi homes during an eleven-month tour in Kirkuk and Hawija that ended in October 2005, serving with the Third Battalion, 116th Cavalry Brigade. “It starts with the psy-ops vehicles out there, you know, with the big speakers playing a message in Arabic or Farsi or Kurdish or whatever they happen to be, saying, basically, saying, Put your weapons, if you have them, next to the front door in your house. Please come outside, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And we had Apaches flying over for security, if they’re needed, and it’s also a good show of force. And we’re running around, and they—we’d done a few houses by this point, and I was with my platoon leader, my squad leader and maybe a couple other people.

“And we were approaching this one house,” he said. “In this farming area, they’re, like, built up into little courtyards. So they have, like, the main house, common area. They have, like, a kitchen and then they have a storage shed-type deal. And we’re approaching, and they had a family dog. And it was barking ferociously, ‘cause it’s doing its job. And my squad leader, just out of nowhere, just shoots it. And he didn’t—mother­fucker—he shot it and it went in the jaw and exited out. So I see this dog—I’m a huge animal lover; I love animals—and this dog has, like, these eyes on it and he’s running around spraying blood all over the place. And like, you know, What the hell is going on? The family is sitting right there, with three little children and a mom and a dad, horrified. And I’m at a loss for words. And so, I yell at him. I’m, like, What the fuck are you doing? And so the dog’s yelping. It’s crying out without a jaw. And I’m looking at the family, and they’re just, you know, dead scared. And so I told them, I was like, Fucking shoot it, you know? At least kill it, because that can’t be fixed….

“And—I actually get tears from just saying this right now, but—and I had tears then, too—and I’m looking at the kids and they are so scared. So I got the interpreter over with me and, you know, I get my wallet out and I gave them twenty bucks, because that’s what I had. And, you know, I had him give it to them and told them that I’m so sorry that asshole did that.

“Was a report ever filed about it?” he asked. “Was anything ever done? Any punishment ever dished out? No, absolutely not.”

Specialist Chrystal said such incidents were “very common.”

According to interviews with twenty-four veterans who participated in such raids, they are a relentless reality for Iraqis under occupation. The American forces, stymied by poor intelligence, invade neighborhoods where insurgents operate, bursting into homes in the hope of surprising fighters or finding weapons. But such catches, they said, are rare. Far more common were stories in which soldiers assaulted a home, destroyed property in their futile search and left terrorized civilians struggling to repair the damage and begin the long torment of trying to find family members who were hauled away as suspects.

Raids normally took place between midnight and 5 am, according to Sgt. John Bruhns, 29, of Philadelphia, who estimates that he took part in raids of nearly 1,000 Iraqi homes. He served in Baghdad and Abu Ghraib, a city infamous for its prison, located twenty miles west of the capital, with the Third Brigade, First Armor Division, First Battalion, for one year beginning in April 2003. His descriptions of raid procedures closely echoed those of eight other veterans who served in locations as diverse as Kirkuk, Samarra, Baghdad, Mosul and Tikrit.

“You want to catch them off guard,” Sergeant Bruhns ­ex­plained. “You want to catch them in their sleep.” About ten troops were involved in each raid, he said, with five stationed outside and the rest searching the home.

Once they were in front of the home, troops, some wearing Kevlar helmets and flak vests with grenade launchers mounted on their weapons, kicked the door in, according to Sergeant Bruhns, who dispassionately described the procedure:

“You run in. And if there’s lights, you turn them on—if the lights are working. If not, you’ve got flashlights…. You leave one rifle team outside while one rifle team goes inside. Each rifle team leader has a headset on with an earpiece and a microphone where he can communicate with the other rifle team leader that’s outside.

“You go up the stairs. You grab the man of the house. You rip him out of bed in front of his wife. You put him up against the wall. You have junior-level troops, PFCs [privates first class], specialists will run into the other rooms and grab the family, and you’ll group them all together. Then you go into a room and you tear the room to shreds and you make sure there’s no weapons or anything that they can use to attack us.

“You get the interpreter and you get the man of the home, and you have him at gunpoint, and you’ll ask the interpreter to ask him: ‘Do you have any weapons? Do you have any anti-US propaganda, anything at all—anything—anything in here that would lead us to believe that you are somehow involved in insurgent activity or anti-coalition forces activity?’

“Normally they’ll say no, because that’s normally the truth,” Sergeant Bruhns said. “So what you’ll do is you’ll take his sofa cushions and you’ll dump them. If he has a couch, you’ll turn the couch upside down. You’ll go into the fridge, if he has a fridge, and you’ll throw everything on the floor, and you’ll take his drawers and you’ll dump them…. You’ll open up his closet and you’ll throw all the clothes on the floor and basically leave his house looking like a hurricane just hit it.

“And if you find something, then you’ll detain him. If not, you’ll say, ‘Sorry to disturb you. Have a nice evening.’ So you’ve just humiliated this man in front of his entire family and terrorized his entire family and you’ve destroyed his home. And then you go right next door and you do the same thing in a hundred homes.”

Each raid, or “cordon and search” operation, as they are sometimes called, involved five to twenty homes, he said. Following a spate of attacks on soldiers in a particular area, commanders would normally order infantrymen on raids to look for weapons caches, ammunition or materials for making IEDs. Each Iraqi family was allowed to keep one AK-47 at home, but according to Bruhns, those found with extra weapons were arrested and detained and the operation classified a “success,” even if it was clear that no one in the home was an insurgent.

Before a raid, according to descriptions by several veterans, soldiers typically “quarantined” the area by barring anyone from coming in or leaving. In pre-raid briefings, Sergeant Bruhns said, military commanders often told their troops the neighborhood they were ordered to raid was “a hostile area with a high level of insurgency” and that it had been taken over by former Baathists or Al Qaeda terrorists.

“So you have all these troops, and they’re all wound up,” said Sergeant Bruhns. “And a lot of these troops think once they kick down the door there’s going to be people on the inside waiting for them with weapons to start shooting at them.”

Sgt. Dustin Flatt, 33, of Denver, estimates he raided “thousands” of homes in Tikrit, Samarra and Mosul. He served with the Eighteenth Infantry Brigade, First Infantry Division, for one year beginning in February 2004. “We scared the living Jesus out of them every time we went through every house,” he said.

Spc. Ali Aoun, 23, a National Guardsman from New York City, said he conducted perimeter security in nearly 100 raids while serving in Sadr City with the Eighty-Ninth Military Police Brigade for eleven months starting in April 2004. When soldiers raided a home, he said, they first cordoned it off with Humvees. Soldiers guarded the entrance to make sure no one escaped. If an entire town was being raided, in large-scale operations, it too was cordoned off, said Spc. Garett Reppenhagen, 32, of Manitou Springs, Colorado, a cavalry scout and sniper with the 263rd Armor Battalion, First Infantry Division, who was deployed to Baquba for a year in February 2004.

Staff Sgt. Timothy John Westphal, 31, of Denver, recalled one summer night in 2004, the temperature an oppressive 110 degrees, when he and forty-four other US soldiers raided a sprawling farm on the outskirts of Tikrit. Sergeant Westphal, who served there for a yearlong tour with the Eighteenth Infantry Brigade, First Infantry Division, beginning in February 2004, said he was told some men on the farm were insurgents. As a mechanized infantry squad leader, Sergeant Westphal led the mission to secure the main house, while fifteen men swept the property. Sergeant Westphal and his men hopped the wall surrounding the house, fully expecting to come face to face with armed insurgents.

“We had our flashlights and…I told my guys, ‘On the count of three, just hit them with your lights and let’s see what we’ve got here. Wake ‘em up!’ ”

Sergeant Westphal’s flashlight was mounted on his M-4 carbine rifle, a smaller version of the M-16, so in pointing his light at the clump of sleepers on the floor he was also pointing his weapon at them. Sergeant Westphal first turned his light on a man who appeared to be in his mid-60s.

“The man screamed this gut-wrenching, blood-curdling, just horrified scream,” Sergeant Westphal recalled. “I’ve never heard anything like that. I mean, the guy was absolutely terrified. I can imagine what he was thinking, having lived under Saddam.”

The farm’s inhabitants were not insurgents but a family sleeping outside for relief from the stifling heat, and the man Sergeant Westphal had frightened awake was the patriarch.

“Sure enough, as we started to peel back the layers of all these people sleeping, I mean, it was him, maybe two guys…either his sons or nephews or whatever, and the rest were all women and children,” Sergeant Westphal said. “We didn’t find anything.

“I can tell you hundreds of stories about things like that and they would all pretty much be like the one I just told you. Just a different family, a different time, a different circumstance.”

For Sergeant Westphal, that night was a turning point. “I just remember thinking to myself, I just brought terror to someone else under the American flag, and that’s just not what I joined the Army to do,” he said.




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By cann4ing, July 14, 2007 at 7:51 am Link to this comment

Non Credo, during the Nuremberg tribunals, the judiciary led by former U.S. Supreme Court Justice Robert Jackson had a very different name for what you describe as a “preemptive, optional war.”  They called it a “war of aggression,” which is considered the ultimate war crime since all other war crimes are the product of an unprovoked war of aggression.  A Nazi foreign minister was hanged for his role in initiating a “war of aggression” against Norway.

When one considers that “every” pretext offered to justify the invasion of Iraq was based upon a fraudulent effort to fix the facts and the intelligence around the policy, there can be no question that the invasion of Iraq qualifies as a war of aggression.

If we are still a nation of laws (and the jury is still out on that), the President and Vice President would be immediately impeached, the provisions of the Military Commissions Act which provide an immunity for all crimes committed in service of the so-called “war on terror” (retroactive to 9/11/01) would be repealed, and those responsible would be brought before the same bar of justice as the Nazis at Nuremberg.  “If” we are still a nation where “law” is supreme.

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By CitizenDefender, July 14, 2007 at 7:10 am Link to this comment

The Money Masters: “Creating money out of nothing at the expense of the American people.”

I dreamed of going into the Navy in the late 60’s. This may sound funny, but I did not even think about killing anyone. I just wanted to see what was going on in other parts of the world. The regalia used by the armed forces to “dress up” the soldiers and make them stand out enticed many an ignorant person to enlist.

Now for hundreds of years governments of most countries whether Kings or elected knew this glorification of stature is alluring, very alluring.

However, the armed forces have one purpose and one alone and that is to wage war. That means killing people. It also means running the risk of being killed or injured.

Who REALLY starts wars and keeps them going? It is the few wealthy families of the world that own and control the World Banking System. Of course it also requires followers to make it work.

Morgan, Rockefeller, Rothschild, Aldrich and others met on Jekyll Island, to lobby for a Central Bank in America.

If you really want to know who runs our government and manipulates chaos around the world. I have included the links to a story of power in America.

The Jekyll Island Club Hotel was one meeting place where a banking system would be worked out and then be controlled by the elite few. The Central Bank was created out of great secrecy. Included is a link to that story.

Investigate, evaluate and then we all can work together to change the Banking system that thrives from the suffering of others. The bank is now called the Federal Reserve.

The Bank of England and the International Bankers are also a part of this.

Also see, Federal Reserve Act of 1913; Great Crash of 1929; Black Thursday.

The Federal Reserve caused the Great Depression.

War is not a required reality to the human experience.

The Money Masters

Skull & Bones - Those Who Dismantled Our Constitution

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By eeg, July 13, 2007 at 2:23 pm Link to this comment

“A curse shall light upon the limbs of men;   
Domestic fury and fierce civil strife  
Shall cumber all the parts of Italy;   
Blood and destruction shall be so in use,   
And dreadful objects so familiar,   
That mothers shall but smile when they behold  
Their infants quarter’d with the hands of war;   
All pity chok’d with custom of fell deeds”

From Shakespeare’s’ Julius Caesar, Act III, Scene 1.

Any rational person knew at the outset what this unconsionable invasion would mean to the Iraqi population—and to the invaders as well.  The ‘dogs of war’ once unleashed would yield untold immense suffering—suffering that the so-called Fourth Estate has been unjustifiably slow to unveil.

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By Where are the Iraqi voices?, July 13, 2007 at 2:17 pm Link to this comment
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“And—I actually get tears from just saying this right now, but—and I had tears then, too—and I’m looking at the kids and they are so scared. So I got the interpreter over with me and, you know, I get my wallet out and I gave them twenty bucks, because that’s what I had.”

“Veteran as Victim”, tortured by memories of all the awful horrors he inflicted (because he had to, of course- despite volunteering for duty).  Better the Nation’s time, money and effort had been spent on a study and conversation with these Vets’ Iraqi victims. From IRAQIS’ experience.  Defenseless Iraqis are the victims here- not heavily armed former troops.  Sorry to be so unPC.  But can you imagine a similar ‘confession memoir’ by Nazi concentration camp guards- and having to feel sympathy for them because they suffered guilt for having tortured the Jews? 
Something real wrong w/ part of the premise of the piece. The Victim Vet theme is a constantly exploited genre in MSM.  And perfectly consistent with ‘liberal lite’ propaganda rag The Nation.

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By moni, July 13, 2007 at 9:28 am Link to this comment
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Yesterday the article was entitled “the Horrors of War”  Today the horrors of war are referred to as the “devastating realities of war”.  It’s all about semantics.  There were other comments which I read yesterday but don’t see today.  My own comment was never recorded. I guess ‘someone’ does not want to INCITE the American people despite the fact that this GROTESQUE War is as barbaric as they come.

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By Mudwollow, July 13, 2007 at 8:59 am Link to this comment

The American media has done an exemplary job of protecting us from disconcerting images of war mangled children’s bodies. Fortunately our government and our journalists understand the difference between human beings who should be slaughtered and human beings who should not be slaughtered. What most people fail to realize is that the hundreds of thousands of men, women and children that were killed in Vietnam and are now being killed in Iraq are not the same as we American men, women and children. It’s easy to look at a two-year-old Iraqi kid and see the similarities to your own two-year-old, but don’t be fooled. We see an Iraqi mother weeping over her child’s mutilated body and mistakenly think that her tears are the same as the tears of an American mother crying over her child’s body. But we need to remember that sacrifices must be made in order to secure the oil we need and deserve. If a few hundred thousand Iraqi children have their limbs ripped off and their bodies riddled with shrapnel, isn’t that a worthwhile cost to pay for the oil we need to drive our children to their soccer games.

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By cann4ing, July 13, 2007 at 7:25 am Link to this comment

ctbrandon, I am not sure where you get your stats from, but the latest Lancet study places the number of Iraqi civilian casualties close to 700,000, not 70,000 as your post suggests.

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By ctbrandon, July 13, 2007 at 6:46 am Link to this comment

War is never good, it is always evil. It is the byproduct of hatred, anger, greed, and lust. I am amazed when I hear my conservative friends stating, amazingly with a straight face, that the media only exposes the worst parts of the war in Iraq. That they dont focus on the positive. Friends, there are thousands of troops dead, and over 70,000 Iraqi civiliians have died in this war, many of them women and children. What could possibly be positive about that?


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By Hammo, July 13, 2007 at 6:15 am Link to this comment

This report in The Nation is going to be helpful in waking up many people about some aspects of the invasion and occupation of Iraq.

Reporting like this will help move things forward to resolve the Iraq situation and help wake up the American people about a lot of things.

It seems that a turning point has been reached in public opinion and the views of many experts about the invasion and occupation of Iraq (and about the Bush-Cheney administration and their associates). 

This is deja vu of the time frame around 1970 when there was a shift in feelings and perception about the Vietnam War.

More on this in the article “Americans felt turning points on Vietnam, Iraq wars in ‘70, ‘07” at:

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By Fools on the Hill, July 12, 2007 at 9:46 pm Link to this comment
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Bush is a lunatic and war criminal.

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By cann4ing, July 12, 2007 at 9:27 pm Link to this comment

Many of these vets appeared on Democracy Now! on July 12, 2007.  Here are the three links.  I would encourage all to listen to the voices of our vets.

As a vet who served in Vietnam, I know that no one can tell it better than those who have been there.  What we need at this point is for Congress to conduct hearings, over CSPAN, similar to the ones that led to John Kerry’s testimony back in the 70s.

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By 911truthdotorg, July 12, 2007 at 8:00 pm Link to this comment

bush is a mass murderer.

For 9/11, Afghanistan and Iraq.

Saddam could only dream of the death and destruction that this monster has unleashed on this country, Iraq and the world.

Rotting in hell is WAY too good for him.

Google videos: 9/11 Press for Truth, Loose Change 2nd Edition, America: Freedom to Fascism

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By vet240, July 12, 2007 at 5:07 pm Link to this comment

I get sick hearing the Republicans on the Congressional floor Praising the Gallant and heroic efforts of our Hero’s fighting for the American way.

None of these idiots have ever been on the ground in a shooting war.

None of these idiots have had the crap literally scared out of them as they thought they were about to die.

The Republicans and the Democrats who put our finest in this god awful mess should be ostracized out of their prospective communities.

There is absolutely nothing about war that is heroic.

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By Don Stivers, July 12, 2007 at 3:57 pm Link to this comment
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When a ship sinks because a seaman leaves a valve open by mistake, it is the commander of that ship that is punished.  This “war” which the United States started by the command of our president has been on going for over 4 years.  Our commander in chief is responsible for leading our men into battle.  Like the naval commander that is punished, should not our commander in chief, the decider, be punished for such a lousy job if not for a criminal job?

D. Stivers

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By jsep, July 12, 2007 at 2:36 pm Link to this comment

President Bush has spent $300 billion on the war in Iraq while thousands of people around the world go to bed hungry each night. The Borgen Project states that according to the Millennium Development Goals there are elements in place to combat world hunger. The deficit in the funding is over $19 billion. Perhaps if some of the funds from the war on terror were used to fight global poverty lives could be save instead of American lives lost.

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By the 1Sgt, July 12, 2007 at 2:14 pm Link to this comment

A well written, very informative and detailed article on what many people suspect is going on there with this war without end for reasons that do not make any sense. This is the second article by Chris Hedges and I must say his reporting will make a difference on the American people if they get exposed to it.

I was deployed overseas several times in various places and I can say there are more often than we like to admit plenty of “ugly Americans”. I personally have seen the behavior described towards Arabs, especially the racial epithets and devaluing of them as a people. I think many times this behavior is not one of spite but of ignorance. You hate or kill what you don’t understand. We Americans are deployed all over the world, in many countries, and most of them on a permanent basis. We really have a large footprint and when we misbehave, it is noticed.

My legal training and experience as a 1Sgt makes me cringe at the level of misconduct reported in this article. Honestly, what we are looking at are 5 years worth of court martials, basically 24-7. Then you wonder who is responsible? The 18 year old soldier shooting indiscriminately or the man who sent him there?

More and more, I’m convinced we need to impeach this president and his vice president. Basically start all over. I communicated this to my representatives in congress. Of course, the republican ones ignore me and the democrat responds that if we did this it would be a waste of time since the senate would never convict and much of the nations important business would not get done from now to Nov 08.

Is there anything more important?

Weather, your comment on Joe Lieberman is right on target. Many Americans do not realize he is a dual national with primary allegiance to Israel. Cheated the system when the Democrats in Conn showed him the door and ran as an independent to “win anyway”.

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By Michael Boldin, July 12, 2007 at 1:26 pm Link to this comment

This is the sad reality of war - it’s the nature of the beast.  When we send our people off to kill or be killed, it brings about the worst in human nature.

It’s rare that the politicians talk about all the carnage - they just like to point out the things that they’re rebuilding (after destroying them in the first place).

They don’t talk about refugees and innocents killed, unless “the bad guys” do it.  And, when they’re forced to talk about civilian deaths as a result of our aggression, they reduce those poor people to a statistic.

I can think of little that is more repugnant to me than referring to people as something as less than human - collateral damage.

All the killing in this aggressive war holds serious moral and legal implications for all those involved.

That’s my rant.  If you’d like to read more:

“Collateral Damage is Murder”

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By weather, July 12, 2007 at 12:44 pm Link to this comment

Improve America:
Drop ship Joe Lieberman in the sands of Iraq w/his Israeli passport and the bag of cash he got from his buddy Hank Greenburg from AIG, along w/his stock options from UTX.

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