Yeah! - Let’s ALL vote for Ron Paul for president in 2008! Actually, ANYONE who does not receive financial support from the likes of AIPAC, JDL, ZOA, etc.

Let’s vote for someone who puts AMERICA FIRST! (instead of Israel)

#84827 by Michael Shaw on 7/07 at 11:41 am
•  It’s time to take the blame and causality from God and place it right where it belongs, in the actions of men. It’s time to take responsibility for our own mistakes and blunders.

I just want to say a real big AMEN to this, from the bottom of my now agnostic heart. It’s time to leave God out of all of this, and get with the program.

Scratch the “heaven and hell” from our real life geography, and deal with what we’ve got, right here in real time.

84933 Well inelson all of it is still attainable. But people have got to get more actively involved. We need to keep the pressure on and I believe more than anything else, we need to remove republicans from power, even if that means voting for Hilary. We’ve seen what they’ve done with it in the last 7 years and if we don’t remove them from the white house and maintain a democrat majority in congress they will continue their onslaught until nothing is left.

Totally Agree!
That’s long overdue!!!
We need to get back our government from the corporations. Then maybe this country can start to rebuild and get on track with what Americans want and need.

84874 inelson I agree. I also think we need to ban corporations from contributing to politic campaigns, foreign or otherwise. The congress must step up and commit to their sworn oaths to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States. They must call for impeachment. They must do their duty.

The bottom line is that we need to hold Bush, and the boys plus Condi accountable for their lies, corruption, abuse of civil rights and general lawlessness. I don’t think we can blame the Zionist for that!

84837 Well inelson, it surely took us off the topic didn’t it? It seems that one minute we were talking about Libby and lawless government and the next about Zionist conspiracy theories and Noah’s flood! I suppose in retrospect and as Lennon once said, “Anything fits if your tripping off on some trip!” Libby’s been pardoned, now we must all be collectively punished for it. Sure! I get it!

Thanks Michael!
Ditto! times 2

84762 Fadel I don’t wish to have a nasty exchange with you or anyone. That is not my intention. But frankly and in my opinion, the biggest problem we(ALL OF MANKIND) face today is religious fundamentalism. Religion has been the catalyst to more bloodshed, war, famine and devastation than anything else in earth’s history.

How long is mankind going to continue to blame God, use him to explain all our woes and expect him to suddenly appear and bail us out or in your case, punish us? Would the truly compassionate Lord wish any of this upon us? Is a drought or flood in the US southwest his way of showing his disdain for our leader’s actions? Of course not! Otherwise he’d send a tornado to the white house during a major cabinet meeting!  Let’s be realistic here!

It’s time to take the blame and causality from God and place it right where it belongs, in the actions of men. It’s time to take responsibility for our own mistakes and blunders.

Instead of hoping and praying for wrath upon yourself and everyone else, you along with the rest of us should be using the brain the good Lord gave us in figuring a way out of this mess! 

The greatest of problems we face today has nothing to do with God but rather the indifference, greed and stupidity of mankind. It will take our collective wisdom, courage and intellect to alleviate these problems, not eternal hellfire and brimstone.

84788 My shoe stems in practicality, yours from supposition.

MS:

If the shoe fits, wear it! I think it fits you perfectly. As for the rest of your comments, wait and SEE!

Over time the truth will reveal itself.

Recently, deathbed confessions of principal people in the Roswell and JFK affairs have clarified facts surrounding those events and once again put the offical government cover story in the trash.

Major lies which conceal even bigger truths.

Why is it so hard for me as a U.S. citizen to believe what my govenment tells me?

In time, the truth regarding the 9/11 events will come to light.  Lets hope our freedom of the press is still around to report it.

#84694 by Ernest Canning on 7/06 at 8:32 pm
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Hey, Fadel, be careful what you wish upon Texas.  My son is attending grad school there.  Hate to think Bush’s sins will lead to his being washed away.
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Sorry Ernest, I know you’re a friend and I don’t wish anything bad for you or you loved ones! My comment was not in a form of a wish; it was rather concurrence and a subjective elaboration on what GodSend said. Remember that I included myself as a possible worthy receiver of that wrath notion if it would pass to be true.

#84707 by Michael Shaw on 7/06 at 9:48 p

My previous note to Ernest is also addressed to you. I don’t wish to enter into a nasty exchange with you. The difference between you and me is that I am a believer who believes that God is in control. Any thing good or bad that happens in this world is known to him, and allowed by him for reasons that we might not even understand during our short span of lives, with our limited knowledge. Believing in that does not eliminate the validity of cause and effect in trying to explain natural phenomenon. My comments, like every one’s else here, are subjunctive, and they are shaped by my beliefs, value system, upbringing, education, etc. I don’t claim to have a monopoly on truth, nor should you. Please cool it down! I don’t wish to be equated with Pat Robertson, for I believe he’s an evil manipulator of faith.

From Ernest Canning
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Hey, Fadel, be careful what you wish upon Texas.  My son is attending grad school there.  Hate to think Bush’s sins will lead to his being washed away.

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Ernest….I trust you’ve checked on your son, and he’s out of the line of the storm effects. It’s worse than anything I ever experienced in the entire time I lived there. (and they had some serious doozies of weather systems. Still, this has been among the worst in a while.

I hope he’s dry.

84718 I won’t argue with you Godsend that there is far more than meets the eye here. I’m saying your theory that Mossad pulled off 9/11 is highly unlikely. Any cover-up after that was probably based in the total incompetence of the administration. Of course anything is possible, though in this case highly unlikely.

As for calling me complicit and then an idiot, I suggest you take a good look in the mirror. It takes one to know one! Beyond being clearly rascist you are also undoubtedly a loon! I suggest you join Al Queda where you can murder Jews. That would be a far cry more honest than posing as some religious knowitall who up to this point has only provided lip service instead of evidence!

MS:

Some truths are self-evident. That the ‘official’ explanation for 9/11 is a LIE and deception (actually, an impossibility!) is one of those self-evident truths. Silverstein’s involvement is clear (he’s a Zionist). Guiliani’s destruction of the evidence is clear (he’s a Zionist stooge). Zionist influence in the Pentagon and MIC is clear (Zakheim is a Zionist and there are many others). 5 dancing shlomos (Mossad agents), celebrating the WTC demolition is clear. There are MANY other pieces which identify the guilty parties. Who benefited the most? (Israel - eliminating Iraq, a potential rival for power and sitting atop all that oil). While some of the evidence (which is not yet self-evident) is circumstantial, there is enough of it to clearly implicate Israel and Zionists (Israeli and American). SEE! my website ( http://novalight.org ) for ALL the pieces of The Puzzle! The Zionist-controlled MSM covered it all up - and is STILL covering it all up.

A full and independent investigation would identify the criminals. The stonewall being put up by the MSM and those (Zionists) who control it is developing some cracks and those cracks are getting bigger. Before long, it will be self-evident (without another investigation) that Israel and the Mossad planned this atrocity - and executed it with the help of their friends in the WH, Congress, the Pentagon, the MIC and several other places of influence (like the Israeli-owned security firm responsible for security at all the affected airports).

All the pieces fit! The Zionist Matrix is self-evident. If you still don’t believe it, you’re either one of them or you’re in denial. Like the flat-Earthers, you can only stay in denial for so long - before you’re correctly classified as an idiot!

84671 Fadel, that makes you sound as bad as Pat Robertson only he blamed a hurricane on God’s wrath, then said God told him about it in a vision after the storm and plenty of weather reporting. There is a rational reason as to why climatic changes are taking place and they’re not just happening in the United States but around the world. It’s called the Green House Effect and although the US is partially responsible for it, so too is every modern industrial state on the planet. The only “wrath” we’re witnessing here is man’s assault on the environment, not some vengeful mandate by the All Mighty!

As for putting blood on all of our hands because we are FORCED to pay taxes, what would you suggest? Should we all stop paying them and go to jail?
quit our jobs until they stop taking our tax dollars or maybe we should have a revolution?

Personally I believe I have no blood on my hands. I have been a pacifist my entire life and the government has traditionally taken taxes from me before I even received my paychecks! So tell me, how does that denote blood on my hands?

Hey, Fadel, be careful what you wish upon Texas.  My son is attending grad school there.  Hate to think Bush’s sins will lead to his being washed away.

#84505 by GodSend on 7/06 at 8:38 am
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No, inelson, the word is not anger - it is OUTRAGE! (like that English doctor in the film ‘Lawrence of Arabia’ when he saw the horrible conditions of victims of war in the Arab-controlled ‘hospital’ ).
 
When the world discovers the heinous crimes committed against Americans and humanity (starting with 9/11) by Zionists and their stooges, there will be OUTRAGE like you’ve never seen before - Thank God! (When God becomes outraged, we call it WRATH - coming soon!)
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I concur, GodSend! The signs of the WRATH are already with us. From a severe drought in Texas last year to devastating floods this year! Isn’t this the land that brought evil Bush to power? It’s not by coincidence that God (or mother Nature if some non-believers wish) knows where to start his/its WRATH cycle!

Sad as this might be, we all have blood on our hands through our tax-payers money that made these evil wars possible. I will not complain if I am included in this WRATH!

Hey, Godsend, this theory of yours that ‘Zionists’ were behind the 9/11 attack and it would appear everything else wrong with this current neocon/fascist regime including springing this criminal Libby all reminds me of a guy that is right up your alley. Has the same point of view, a real activist, you may have even voted for him because he’s not only held State office in Louisiana but made many runs for higher office including president. You need to check out David Duke. This guy might have made a few youthful indiscretions, but he is all over this international Zionist conspiracy to cause a financial collapse and take over the world, and secretly fund Arab terrorists to do their dirty work. You need to check him out, he’s getting a little long in the tooth but if he’s not doing time now, I am sure he is looking for recruits.
Meanwhile back on Earth, where Bush evidently has consolidated the Justice Department, Supreme Court, and shown he will issue get out of jail cards to any criminal with the goods on his illegal war, what are our real options? On another board recently we went for days about impeachment articles. Hey, Cheney is Bush with a three-digit IQ and unless he goes first, why bother? There must be indictments for contempt of Congress and obstruction of justice against Cheney AND Bush, for starters. If Cheney can be brought before the Senate, he is hated enough that he would be more easily convicted and removed than Bush. The other way to get Bush out of there is the 25th Amendment Section 4. The man meets most of the Axis I criteria for diagnosis of a Schizophrenic Disorder, Paranoid type, DSM 2950. He freely admits ideas of reference, auditory hallucinations of a religious nature, has a delusional system with paranoia, poor reality contact, and as many unmedicated psychotics do, tends to jumble his words in a ‘word salad’ or use neologisms. This disorder is not uncommon to occur in midlife in individuals with a remote history of substance abuse, especially methamphetamine and cocaine. If he were subjected to a formal mental status examination by a panel of board certified Psychiatrists, and administered neuropsychiatric testing along the lines of an MMPI or more sophisticated tests for active psychoses, he would be found unfit to run a dry cleaners much less the United States.
Dubya is bat-shit crazy, and though he didn’t have anything to do with causing 9/11 other than ignoring all of the terrorist warnings and plans and never once having a meeting to address them with the fucked-up CIA, which had intell that the WTC was target one for Al Queda. He was instead, I’m convinced again part of his disease process, consumed with a plan to invade Iraq and kill the evil dictator who had put a contract out on his dad. His reaction to the 9/11 attacks was one of flattened affect followed by mock rage against the Islamic fanatics who crashed the planes, but the real focus for him was this revenge thirst that he can never satisfy in his deranged mind. He will, if not removed from office, end up fighting this war in his mind, after he can’t play war with real blood and bullets any more, until he is institutionalized, claiming he is the only one still fighting ‘the war on terror’.
We as Americans have a responsibility to take whatever steps are available to us in the Constitution to be rid of this unstable man and the advisors who make most of his decisions for him now that he is in an advanced stage of this disease. He needs help, but we need help first.

84588 There is no proof Godsend and in reality thanks to 9/11 and our subsequent responses, Israel and the US are in far more peril than they were before it. I’ll grant you I’m not happy about Israeli spies absconding off with our secrets but frankly all nations do that kind of thing, including us.

I don’t like Israeli lobbyists buying off our politicians either. But I see the entire farce that is the lobby and especially concerning campaign finance as the main problem and AIPAC alone is not responsible for all of the many problems we face today.

Bush was planning to hit Iraq before 9/11 so he didn’t need that as an excuse to invade them. All of this is over oil control. A 9/11 wasn’t necessary to continue what in fact has been going on for the last 50 years.

I’ll admit our government(and others) has used several rather dubious excuses to argue for war and conduct it. The Bay of Tonkin comes to mind. But why would Israel truly want to destroy a city in fact that has so many Jews in it? Especially on Wall Street? And why hit the pentagon who have been supplying Israel with weapons and cash for decades?(probably a more realistic reason for 9/11)

Yes I heard about the two Israeli nationals who were filming the disaster then caught up in the immigration sweeps. But frankly using that as evidence to say Jews conducted the 9/11 attacks is absurd!

MS:

Would you consider a Mossad role in 9/11 to be direct or indirect Israel involvement?

Know any other organization sophisticated and ruthless enough to pull this off? - or with enough clout in America to get all the local cooperation necessary? Did I mention MOTIVE? Qui bono, after all!?

Regardless of who were behind the 9/11 attacks, one thing is evident. The Bush administration ignored all the warnings.

Read the Wolfowitz Doctrine which is now basically our foreign policy and you can see it’s empowerment was only attainable via the advent of another Pearl Harbor. Coincidence?

I would like to add it is highly doubtful that Israel played any direct role in the 9/11 attacks. I see it coming from the decades of both invited and uninvited US involvement in Arab affairs and particularly our military support of Israel visa vie the Palestinian question.

inelson, et al:

Here’s the answer to your (subtle) suggestion that we may never find out the truth about 9/11: NUTS!

If we don’t PUSH for the truth until our last, collective breaths, we’ll doom America (maybe humanity) and let the Zionists get away with cold-blooded MURDER (and worse - still to come). 9/11 is just the tip of the iceberg. We owe it to ourselves, our children, America and humanity to IDENTIFY AND STRIKE THE ROOT OF EVIL! - SO HELP US, GOD! (and He WILL!)

We need to put a full Nelson on the criminals and squeeze until they cry: UNCLE! Then we have to try them, convict them and execute them. There may not be enough rope in America to do them all justice! We’ll get some from China.

We can argue about what we want to call them but it’s pointless. Those that are truly responsible for 9/11 should be held accountable, it’s just that I’m not convinced we’ll ever find out the truth about that. Regardless of what group their from or what label you can attach to them they should pay for 3500 lives lost on that day. We also need to hold this administration accountable for what it has done to this country. Scooter Libby is only a small representation of that atrocity. I’m idealistic and what to see that there’s a future for all that follow us and I’m not totally convinced we leaving things better then we found them.

84242 Hey truthhertz, who do you think directed Armitage to make the leak? Armitage?

Thanks inelson! It is too important an issue to ignore the facts. What is really frightening is the economic situation. Even during the great depression we were not a debtor state. Being the largest in debt nation on the planet has placed us on a path we’d have been better off not treading on. When the crap hits the fan, it will make the great depression look like a picnic.

No, inelson, the word is not anger - it is OUTRAGE! (like that English doctor in the film ‘Lawrence of Arabia’ when he saw the horrible conditions of victims of war in the Arab-controlled ‘hospital’ ).

When the world discovers the heinous crimes committed against Americans and humanity (starting with 9/11) by Zionists and their stooges, there will be OUTRAGE like you’ve never seen before - Thank God! (When God becomes outraged, we call it WRATH - coming soon!)

You’ve proved my point quite well - Thank YOU!

Michael, thanks for getting on back on track.
The war, the economy, healthcare, the list goes on of what we need to concentrate on is this country. Just for a moment think about what $400 billion could have been used for in the U.S.

Celebrating the 4th of July at this point is almost absurd. The total idea of it! How can we realistically celebrate our independence at a time we are being spied upon by our own government, when our civil liberties have been trashed, when our kids are dying in an illegal preemptive war based entirely on false and stretched intelligence and all for the sake of oil?  I don’t see the sense in it and won’t see the sense in it until congress acts and dismantles this current sham of an administration, restoring all we have lost.

You got sucked right in didn’t you!

ANGER is what motivates people like you and it’s what causes the world to be troubled place. You’ve made my point quite loudly “Godsend” thanks!

inelson:

You are a Zionist shill - subtle but still a shill. We need to put the blame where it belongs! Did you get that? I repeat: WE NEED TO PUT THE BLAME WHERE IT BELONGS!

Where does the blame belong? Let’s appoint a ‘blue-ribbon’ commission and find out! Actually, it’s elf-evident if you just use a small part of your brain

It’s time for you and others like you to shut up, inelson.

Frank, I think the answers “C” but I too am tired of people still trying to blame the the Jews for the problems of the world. The Jews have paid the price for being Jewish ten-fold, what I get from many anti-semitic comments is really sort of a jealousy, why else would you have the need to put someone else down.

People like “Godsend” have an obvious chip on their shoulder and need someone to take responsibility for what they feel powerless to change.

The truth is we are all to blame but we can change that if it’s the will of the majority of the people.

“We hold this truth to be self-evident: The ‘Official’ explanation for 9/11 is a deliberate LIE and deception. The truth is being suppressed.”

The Libby pardon, The Patriot Acts, the invasion of Iraq, the stream of lies coming from the WH, the trashing of the Constitution, the creation and nurturing of the credit bubble, the saber-rattling about an Iran invasion, the ‘noise’ about North Korean nukes, the gifting of cluster bombs to Israel during the invasion of Lebanon, etc. etc. etc. ALL emanate from that CRITICAL 9/11 atrocity!

The 1st order of business (unless we have a Constitutional Convention) is to insist on a new and independent examination of the events surrounding 9/11. That will make it OBVIOUS TO ALL that the ‘Official’ 9/11 explanation was a DELIBERATE DECEPTION by the Bush regime. THEN, let all the other dominoes fall, one by one, until the ghastly infiltration of Zionists into America (not just Foreign Policy) becomes obvious as well! This rabbit hole has enough tunnels and discoveries to rewritea good portion of American history - and to unveil the next chapter.

Hey, guys, I’m pretty new to the board. I think Bush will wait to pardon Libby till at least the holidays. That was the deal struck for silence about Cheney and Rove’s involvement, as everyone seems to realize who can read a newspaper. The bastard will be a millionare member of the bar in 30 months with a book deal.
My big question, and I have asked it other places on the board: Are the crypto-Nazi, fascist, anti-Semitic blogs A) sarcastic attempts at humor, B) a fairly common viewpoint on the board, C) the input of a few people whose idea of fun is to run these comments here as a sort of internet civil disobedience. I joined to discuss getting rid of the status quo and Bush Reich especially. I’m not Jewish or secularly religious, but I have run into anti-‘Zionist’ differences in some more structured splinter party affiliations in the past and left them because I get tired of having to tell people the Holocaust reallly happened. So is it A, B, or C?

Sure there are plenty of uneducated idiots out there. Some might say we’re knee deep in them, like the “grown” adults who were playing with illegal firecrackers last night in a drought zone while swilling beer and whoopin’ and hollarin’. But frankly and thankfully, we’re not all like that. As Forrest Gump once said, stupid is what stupid does, like “electing” Bush twice. Some could argue this was a result of the deliberate, long term dumbing down of America.

Back in the 60’s, there were too many intelligent people running around and too many opportunities for poor people to get a college education. People actually read books back then. That put somewhat of a damper in the illusion that America is always right and just in its actions.

They don’t want a lot of intelligent people running around. They prefer idiots who are easily lied to and easily controlled just as they were when Sinclair sponsored “War on Iraq” parties with hired actors around the country. They created the illusion that “all” Americans supported this contrived war we rushed into.

I think it works like this: Back when Reagan barely won his first term with the smallest percentage rate in history, all we suddenly began hearing about is how far to the right most Americans had moved. This went on leading right up to his next election where he won a major landslide victory for his second term. By 1987 Reagan trashed the fairness doctrine which in turn escalated the banter to further claims that the left was gone and the term liberal was a dirty, despicable word. This worked rather effectively for the neo-con’s, right up to the present day. The effects from the dwindling down of 50 major news broadcasters to 5 is evident as are the constant cuts in federal spending to the education system.

The thing is people hate to be left out of the loop, they want to be on the winning side. So if “everyone” is now suddenly a conservative, so too they must be lest they be on the outside looking in. (Could this be part of the reason for the so called Reagan democrats?)

The same goes with public school prayer. Either you believe in Jesus or you’re separated from the rest of the class at prayer time and looked upon as being “different” from the rest. So today if you’re a liberal or voice an opinion, you must be some kind of terrorist loving commie traitor. Major media propels this ideology.

The irony in all of this of course is that there are still just as many(if not more) liberals out there as there have always been.

Even when Reagan won that “landslide’ victory in 1984 it only included 51.3% of the entire eligible voting population. What about the other 48.7% who didn’t even bother to vote? OK so Reagan won in essence 60% of half the eligible voters, or about 30% of the vote. Statistically a landslide victory but in reality not even a third of the eligible voting population.

In retrospect, the percentage total of eligible voters in 2000 amounted to 51.1% or about .2% less than the number of people who voted during Reagan’s grand victory. In 2004 however 55% of eligible voters turned out, so clearly 4% more people voted. Could this be construed as a further wising up or dumbing down? I’ll let you decide for yourselves. But clearly more people are voting and more of them are voting for democrats than republicans.

I believe much of this recent jump in voter turnout reflects the growing fear our nation has when it comes to George W. Bush, who barely won by a thread in both of his elections. Throw in the worst graft we’ve seen since Tammany Hall and virtually two stolen elections and what you’ve got now are a whole lot of pissed off people and that number can only grow at this point.

Another point worth examining: When nearly half of the population doesn’t bother to participate, the powers that be have to wonder, are they all simply stupid sheep or are they a growing sign of major malcontent?

webmind:

It’s not a gun being held to their heads - not yet, anyway.

Zionists have been injecting poison into the minds of Americans for many years - until many of them are just like you describe! They have been brainwashed and de-moralized by deceptive bastards and evil-doers. Do they deserve what they’re getting and will get a lot more of? To some degree, YES! But the real guilt lies with those devilish tempters who continuously offer to supply them with drugs, sex, booze, meaningless sports, sicko celebrities and unlimited credit to satisfy all their lusts and wants. That’s called ‘entrapment’ and the Zionists have mastered that to a fine art. And ‘devilish’ means devilish - from the Devil (literally)!

Eve was deceived and tempted by the Snake. The Snake - also called the Devil, Satan, Lucifer, Mammon, Beelzebub, Drago(n) and the ‘Great Deceiver’ is still at it!

good analysis, Amy. We all know that at least Cheney, Rove and Bush sat down to work out the political details for Libby’s commutation and as Amy indicated decided that commutation was the best deal for them. Even more politicized than the Nixon administration, the Bush administration excels in politics, propaganda, and subterfuge. The problem is that the people and their oath of office doesn’t even contend for their attention. It will be quite a strain to put our country back together after it has been, in effect, dismantled by BushCo.

Hilarious that people want to “vilify” the Bush administration, as if they should be the focus of everyone’s wrath. Have they forgotten that he was twice elected by the American mindless? Americans have become fat, stupid, ignorant, arrogant, condescending, complacent, and just plain uneducated in the “liberal” sense of the word. America has degenerated from hearty, enlightened individualists in the spiritual tradition of Emerson and Thoreau to beer guzzling racist assholes who watch cars drive around in circles, listen to Country and Western songs about “kicking ass” in Iraq, think anti-intellectuals like Bill O’Really are intelligent because they talk with a sneer (like Bush), and think family values means fucking your sister. They should be the object of your wrath, not a bunch of opportunists who are merely feeding off the stupidity. If Americans are dumb enough to give them their money and their freedom, why shouldn’t they take it? Who’s holding a gun to their heads?

Libby needs to be questioned under oath by a grand jury, the American people are entitled to know what Bush and his croanies have been update, the thought scares the hell out of me!

“Libby’s continued silence protects Bush and Cheney.”

This is why politicians need to be hardwired to the Internet 24/7.

On the other hand we could just continue living with the fiction that God will somehow check the powerful and wealthy’s ongoing abuse of postion and priviledge. I suppose if this was a good enough system for last several hundred years who am I to argue?

Howdy y’all,
Ain’t it wunerful, this here Amerca.  Why we’all are in the land of milk and honey…i know y’all can see we jes keep rollin along.  Hell, i jest bought a new
Hummer, y’all know the govment gave me 10,000 dollars back ‘cause a some program.  I don’t relly unerstand it but golly, what a ride.  Me an the wife an the kids can go near anywhere…we don’t need no road no how.  Jest rip through the woods anywear we want.

Woody tells me theres people who don’t like presedent bush…they must be commie fagots cause he ain’t done no wrong i cansee, hell i can by any gun i mwant and by god if them commie basturds come for me i’ll balst them to hell, hey even the old lady and the kids can shoot and we got plenty of amo.

I don’t read much but Woody tells me presedent bush is the greatest and you no, I have to agree.  We ain’t had no terrist attacks since, well you no…the new york thing where those buildings were trashed buy a bunch of godless mooslims.

Any way, i jest want ta say if those commie fagot basturds want to take ma freedom away me and the missus will blow them all to hell.

God bles Gorge Bush and his fite for our fredom.

Our government, our business and it’s economic hitmen have spent most of the last century aiming their exploitations on others outside of this nation and around the world. We too have been exploited along the way, only more subtly and deliberately. But since the advent of of the Bush administration and 9/11 it is crystal clear what is really going on. Not satisfied to exploit much of the third world, now it seems the plan is to make most of America a part of it, where privilege more than any other aspect of our culture measures one’s rights or the lack thereof.

The Libby commute is criminal and as Amy points out, it only hides the real crime that is the war in Iraq. That and the suspension of civil liberties to the bulk of us and god-like status for the rest.

A nation cannot stand divided, but that is exactly what the Bush administration has intentionally done. As the crevice between rich and poor widens, so too do our rights, liberties, salaries, jobs, homes,  education, medical care and our general livelihood fall into the abyss. 

If Patrick Henry were alive today he’d be in the halls of congress right now echoing the same famous words he did to England’s King George, only this time those words, “Give me liberty or give me death!”, would be aimed at the present day king, George W. Bush.

This president must be vanquished along with his entire entourage. If he isn’t, I fear we shall never see the shining light of freedom and democracy again!

EoS:

Make sure you read Mike’s article at the link provided. There are many excellent commentators who understand the dire global financial situation - Kurt Richebacher, Robert Prechter, Russell Randall and many others (mostly Austrian School economists). The problems go FAR deeper than just skyrocketing defaults and foreclosures - which are just at the beginning of the Collapse. The only way this Collapse can be delayed is by continued gov’t manipulation of financial markets (including the price of gold) and flooding the world with more credit. The longer this lasts, the bigger the final melt-down. There is NO EXIT from this ultimate Collapse! - unless you consider Hyper-Inflation an EXIT.

You’re right that it’s hard to tell what other ‘event’ can set off the Collapse. It could be war with Iran - likely to escalate to tactical nukes before long. A Draft in the US is likely to result in mass protests and revolution. But you’re right that the lunatics have taken over the asylum and ANYTHING is possible. Zionists are capable of committing greater atrocities than those already committed (Iraq Invasion, trashing the Constitution, Genocide of Palestinians and propagation of LIES through the MSM - just like anticipated in Orwell’s “1984”)

The Fascist Police State is only as far away as another 9/11 (9/11-II). All the legal requirements have already been put into place to create a Dictatorship. Fortunately, there are enough true patriots (mostly hidden) who will not allow the complete destruction of America.

It’ll be ‘interesting’ to watch as the dominoes continue to fall.

Godsend:

  I think you overestimate the effect of the credit crunch on the economy. Alone it won’t cause enough to an economic decline to send the people onto the streets. Only our large deficits owed to foriegners -especially the Chinese are potentially serious enough that they could do that. I don’t think even these are going to implode that severely. Another event that could wake up the people would be the consequences of an attack on Iran. I still think we are more likely than not to do this, but you never really know what craziness the current whitehouse crew might unleash.

  In any case, I’m not sure what it will take to wake up the sheeple. With so many distractions: American Idol, NASCAR, Paris Hilton to name but a few, it’s just too hard to break through to them.

More on the coming will to demonstrate:

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=6807

Nobody really believes that we’re near the end of the Housing Crash, do you? Why, the melt-down is just beginning and even the BIS has whispered the dreaded “D” word (as in Grand Depression). “Where have you gone, Alan Greenspan, credit bubble blower? - a Nation will be yearning to hang you from the nearest tree” (OK, he’s no Joe DiMaggio and it doesn’t rhyme but it’s the truth!)

Thinking perhaps that clever Alan just made an innocent booboo by driving the interest rate to ZERO? Fuget about it! It’s all in the Game Plan. Nobody could be THAT dumb - least of all a Depression expert like Alan (and Bernanke, the Sorcerer’s apprentice) And who appointed these jokers? Did you say ‘Bush’ or ‘Israel Lobby’? Perhaps you mistook them for Chertoff and Zakheim? It’s a mistake anyone could make.

DC:

You sound reasonable BUT the fact remains that Americans have been bamboozled and politically disemboweled (brainwashed is another good word) and turned into sheeple, primarily conditioned to be concerned with how much polished garbage (mostly from Asia) they can consume (on credit, of course, using their home equity or plastic dough). That game is just about over and severe withdrawal symptoms will appear everywhere. Who is at fault here?

Why, clever Zionist conspirators like Greenspan and others in Corporate America. The Zionist-controlled MSM, who just stonewalls key issues like 9/11 truth and Bush crimes and high treason, plays a critical part.

Not much will happen to change things until the collective pain becomes unbearable and enough Americans have ‘nothing more to lose’. THEN, all hell will break loose! - somewhere near the end of Bush’s term.

Quote: “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal,” says the preamble to the Declaration of Independence….”

Of course, that is nonsense and you only have to look out the windowto verify that. The problem is that the establishment is bent on taking full advantage of the illusion that they are so wonderful and perfect in every conceivable way.

A quote from The Art of War is that one should “...sieze something the enemy regards as precious…”. What people don’t realise in their democratic dreams and fantasies is that their own government administrations (or more appropriately, the forces behind them) have covertly declared war on them.

The illusion of genuine democracy was - and always will be - destroyed by the form of legalised corruption known as campaign funding. The leaders people elect are effectively employed by the people they are most beholden to - the ones who control the purse strings - and thus they must always fulfil their obligations to them. That effectively takes up all of their terms in government!

The reality is that, as soon as you vote for one of these, you have abrogated your own rights in favor of a clique or gang which has only its own interest in mind. The fact that you have been stupid enough to unquestioningly do so proves that you are not their equal!

Thus it goes on as it has done for centuries. Only the names have been changed to protect the guilty. People get the governments they deserve .....and the supreme court judges as well. Unless you put the effort into imagining and implementing a better way, you will forever be the slaves of vested interests.

The will to demonstrate will arrive as soon as the Grand Depression arrives in full-force - before Bush’s term ends. SubPrime and Alt-A mortgage defaults are just the tip of the iceberg. There will be millions of very pissed-off Americans who will be pursuing the criminals with ropes in their hands, looking for tall trees.

As Thomas Jefferson said, every once-in-a-while the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots! The ‘once-in-a-while’ is just around the bend. Most of us know who the tyrants are - but some are hiding behind the invisible hand. We’re gonna ‘smoke ‘em out’

One of our biggest problems now it that we have lost the will to overtly demonstrate. Our gov’t has us in fear not the opposite. We need to show the gov’t who’s in charge by demonstrating in the street like in the 60’s. That’s what they’ll understand. The people need to show their power and dissatisfaction with what this administration has done to this country. We need to wipe that smug smile off of Bush’s face once and for all!

Be happy!!!  Here is another stupid move by the KING of STUPID.  Anything that has ANY CHANCE of giving some SPINE to the DemocRATS to confront this Electrono/electoral coup.  When the U.S. supreme court is less concerned than its Pakistan counterpart about dissappearences and constitutional adherence—you know its time to think about changes.  Time to impeach the urnary executive crew!  I’m sure that were we to give the “tools” to the investigators—we would get what we need   and want.

This really sums up this administrations obvious disregard for the will of the people and difference between right and wrong. Young minority males are thrown into jail at an alarming rate in this country, but white collar perjury is no big deal especially if you are a part of the Bush administration!

HEADS UP CYRENA

Article II Section 2 of Constitution - President has the power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the US, impeachment cases excepted.

Too many presidents through the years have granted pardons to really nefarious dudes.  Time to attack the problem at its core.  Amend the Constitution wiping out Article II Section 2.

The Framers probably only included the little gem because at the time more people than not were unschooled and often illiterate - a fact not contributing to just verdicts: Therefore,  give the president power to overturn unjust verdicts?

Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first.

There are about 14 Democrats, starting with Dennis Kucinich, with the guts to impeach these criminals.  There will be no justice until Bush, Cheney, Gonzalez, Rice and all their collaborators are forced out and given the disgrace they deserve.  They shouldn’t be allowed another day in office.  Too much damage has been done.  We should not be forced to endure another 18 months worrying what the next travesty will be.  IMPEACH NOW.

Bush always does what he’s told to do.He will pardon Libby before he leaves the White House.It’s all just part of the deal to keep Libby quit.Bush has never cared what the American people think of him and never will.

My remarks were made in haste…

Pardon the Quayle…

Further to my point: The impact of Nixon’s transgressions pale in comparison to such a degree they are impossible to quantify.

Mr. Canning, you missed the point… Bush has just lowered himself below Quail compared to Kennedy (remember the debate?); lowered significantly more by the relevance of Nixon to Kennedy, or more specifically lack thereof.  At least Nixon resigned, abet being forced.  That was at least acknowledgment but no intention to elevate him further.  There has been no evidence Bush can muster the credibility of Nixon (which was relatively non-existent).  It takes away having to explain…

By refusing to Impeach bu$h/chainey the Democrats are not only betraying the American people, they are complicit in an unprecedented attack on the very soul of America, The Constitution.

Surely they know that their silence is resounding to the people. Their silence will lead to what some in this country and in many parts of the world, feel is the inevetable destruction of the American dream.

One person one vote, liberty (from tyranny and tyrants and tyrannical behaviors). Equal justice for all (without it, our form of governance becomes a mockery).

the name bu$h has become synonymous with Amin, POl Pot, Stalin, Hitler, Noriega, and Ironically Castro.

To the Democrats. While you stand silently in the center of these willful, disgraceful acts of total disregard for the Constitution, you may be sealing your own fate and the fate of your heirs. You may go home someday and be subjected to the same acts of tyranny that you allowed when you were in a position to stop them. I was taught in my earliest school days that America was founded on principle and honor. One man or one group cannot be allowed to subvert those ideals.

When Nixon displayed the same willful disregard for these ideals many thought is was an anomoly. I thought is would be more frightening is it was simply an exposed demonstration of the “norm” in Washington DC.

#83746 by Fadel Abdallah on 7/03 at 7:20 pm

....“I am really shocked that there is something in the Constitution allowing a crocked president to override the justice system.”....

Fadel, I am actually very glad that you are shocked, because in reality, there is NOTHING in our Constitution that allows a crocked president, (or any other one) to override the justice system. The last time one of them tried this, it backfired, and that was the end of him. (Nixon)

So now, all we have to do is what the Constitution actually DOES allow for, and that’s to impeach them all, before they can escape to Dubai, and live happily ever after. Kissinger is still on the run, but we did eventually get Pinochet.

I’m honing my own skills to deal with them at the Hague. (or at least it’s a nice little fantasy.)

“In some ways, commutation is worse [for the cause of justice] than a pardon. With a commutation, Scooter Libby retains his Fifth Amendment rights.” If Rep. John Conyers, D-Mich., for example, were to call a hearing, Libby could still plead the Fifth Amendment against self-incrimination, remaining silent. Had he been pardoned and been completely cleared of any wrongdoing, then he would have a harder time refusing to answer questions. Libby’s continued silence protects Bush and Cheney.

So, more of Addington’s best legal mind? (I would have never thought of this, but then I’ve never had a reason to consider the legalities of a commutation vs a pardon. Tricky stuff.

They always figure it out.

A sad day for American democracy and justice! More so when it comes on the eve of the 4th of July when Americans are supposed to commemorate a great symbol of freedom, liberation and democracy. Commuting Libby’s sentence is a travesty of justice and a mockery of the American justice system. When the president suppresses the outcome of a judicial process by commuting the sentence, this means that he is a dictator, worse than Saddam Hussein in my way of thinking. I am really shocked that there is something in the Constitution allowing a crocked president to override the justice system.

When this evil Bush was governor of Texas, he signed on hundreds of executions and showed no sign of compassion or mercy, but for a fuc…n bloody servant of his, thirty months of jail were too much.

Today, I mourn another sign of America’s slow death at the hands of the most evil man late modern history has known. And some fools still call this a democracy!

Palaver, your historical account is not accurate.  Nixon never resigned “for the good of the country.”  He resigned after Senator Goldwater informed him that he did not have the votes in the Senate to remain in office.  Had Nixon been convicted in the Senate, he would have been removed from office, after which he could have faced criminal charges in federal court.  While both he and Ford denied it, it is obvious that a deal was struck that would allow Ford to immediately assume the Presidency in exchange for an eventual pardon.  But unlike the Libby situation where Bush waited until after the conviction before granting clemency, Ford rushed forward with his pardon before Nixon could even be indicted.  [Ford also claimed it was for the “good of the country,” but in truth the pardon did irreparable harm to the country because it told those that followed (Reagan & Bush I with Iran/Contra and Cheney/Bush for a variety of high crimes and misdomeanors) that once one assumes such a high office, they can bet on getting away with the most heinous of crimes—at least if you’re a Republican.

While I don’t often disagree with John Conyers, I have to do so on this one.  Congress can compel Libby’s testimony simply by providing him with a grant of use immunity, just as they did in the case of Monica Goodling.  Such a grant of immunity would be conditioned on the witness telling the truth.  But then why would that bother Libby or any other Bush administration official?

The real damage done by this commutation is the signal it sends to other members of the administration—remain loyal, either keep your mouth shut, obstruct justice or perjure your ass off.  No matter your crime, remain loyal and Bush, the Godfather, will protect you.

Yes, Palaver, W is no Richard Nixon.
I never imagined Nixon to be “just going along for the ride” as seems to be the case with the current resident of the White House. W knows he’s not in the driver’s seat, so to speak, so he’ll never think he’s responsible for where this all ends up.

Some are now calling for Bush’s resignation.  However, it must be remembered, George Bush is no Richard Nixon…  Nixon knew when to resign “for the good of the country.”  Bush and his Neocon base have never shown any interest or ability in being able to make such distinctions.