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A Declaration of Independence From Israel

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Posted on Jul 2, 2007
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Armed Palestinian women burn Israeli and U.S. flags during a protest against Israel’s operations in the Gaza Strip and Lebanon.

By Chris Hedges

Israel, without the United States, would probably not exist.  The country came perilously close to extinction during the October 1973 war when Egypt, trained and backed by the Soviet Union, crossed the Suez and the Syrians poured in over the Golan Heights.  Huge American military transport planes came to the rescue.  They began landing every half-hour to refit the battered Israeli army, which had lost most of its heavy armor.  By the time the war was over, the United States had given Israel $2.2 billion in emergency military aid.

  The intervention, which enraged the Arab world, triggered the OPEC oil embargo that for a time wreaked havoc on Western economies.  This was perhaps the most dramatic example of the sustained life-support system the United States has provided to the Jewish state.

  Israel was born at midnight May 14, 1948.  The U.S. recognized the new state 11 minutes later.  The two countries have been locked in a deadly embrace ever since.

  Washington, at the beginning of the relationship, was able to be a moderating influence.  An incensed President Eisenhower demanded and got Israel’s withdrawal after the Israelis occupied Gaza in 1956.  During the Six-Day War in 1967, Israeli warplanes bombed the USS Liberty.  The ship, flying the U.S. flag and stationed 15 miles off the Israeli coast, was intercepting tactical and strategic communications from both sides. The Israeli strikes killed 34 U.S. sailors and wounded 171. The deliberate attack froze, for a while, Washington’s enthusiasm for Israel.  But ruptures like this one proved to be only bumps, soon smoothed out by an increasingly sophisticated and well-financed Israel lobby that set out to merge Israeli and American foreign policy in the Middle East.

Israel has reaped tremendous rewards from this alliance.  It has been given more than $140 billion in U.S. direct economic and military assistance.  It receives about $3 billion in direct assistance annually, roughly one-fifth of the U.S. foreign aid budget.  Although most American foreign aid packages stipulate that related military purchases have to be made in the United States, Israel is allowed to use about 25 percent of the money to subsidize its own growing and profitable defense industry.  It is exempt, unlike other nations, from accounting for how it spends the aid money.  And funds are routinely siphoned off to build new Jewish settlements, bolster the Israeli occupation in the Palestinian territories and construct the security barrier, which costs an estimated $1 million a mile.

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  The barrier weaves its way through the West Bank, creating isolated pockets of impoverished Palestinians in ringed ghettos.  By the time the barrier is finished it will probably in effect seize up to 40 percent of Palestinian land.  This is the largest land grab by Israel since the 1967 war.  And although the United States officially opposes settlement expansion and the barrier, it also funds them.

  The U.S. has provided Israel with nearly $3 billion to develop weapons systems and given Israel access to some of the most sophisticated items in its own military arsenal, including Blackhawk attack helicopters and F-16 fighter jets.  The United States also gives Israel access to intelligence it denies to its NATO allies.  And when Israel refused to sign the nuclear nonproliferation treaty, the United States stood by without a word of protest as the Israelis built the region’s first nuclear weapons program.

U.S. foreign policy, especially under the current Bush administration, has become little more than an extension of Israeli foreign policy.  The United States since 1982 has vetoed 32 Security Council resolutions critical of Israel, more than the total number of vetoes cast by all the other Security Council members.  It refuses to enforce the Security Council resolutions it claims to support.  These resolutions call on Israel to withdraw from the occupied territories.

There is now volcanic anger and revulsion by Arabs at this blatant favoritism.  Few in the Middle East see any distinction between Israeli and American policies, nor should they.  And when the Islamic radicals speak of U.S. support of Israel as a prime reason for their hatred of the United States, we should listen.  The consequences of this one-sided relationship are being played out in the disastrous war in Iraq, growing tension with Iran, and the humanitarian and political crisis in Gaza.  It is being played out in Lebanon, where Hezbollah is gearing up for another war with Israel, one most Middle East analysts say is inevitable.  The U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East is unraveling.  And it is doing so because of this special relationship. The eruption of a regional conflict would usher in a nightmare of catastrophic proportions.

There were many in the American foreign policy establishment and State Department who saw this situation coming. The decision to throw our lot in with Israel in the Middle East was not initially a popular one with an array of foreign policy experts, including President Harry Truman’s secretary of state, Gen. George Marshall.  They warned there would be a backlash.  They knew the cost the United States would pay in the oil-rich region for this decision, which they feared would be one of the greatest strategic blunders of the postwar era.  And they were right.  The decision has jeopardized American and Israeli security and created the kindling for a regional conflagration.

The alliance, which makes no sense in geopolitical terms, does makes sense when seen through the lens of domestic politics.  The Israel lobby has become a potent force in the American political system.  No major candidate, Democrat or Republican, dares to challenge it.  The lobby successfully purged the State Department of Arab experts who challenged the notion that Israeli and American interests were identical.  Backers of Israel have doled out hundreds of millions of dollars to support U.S. political candidates deemed favorable to Israel.  They have brutally punished those who strayed, including the first President Bush, who they said was not vigorous enough in his defense of Israeli interests.  This was a lesson the next Bush White House did not forget.  George W. Bush did not want to be a one-term president like his father. 

Israel advocated removing Saddam Hussein from power and currently advocates striking Iran to prevent it from acquiring nuclear weapons.  Direct Israeli involvement in American military operations in the Middle East is impossible.  It would reignite a war between Arab states and Israel.  The United States, which during the Cold War avoided direct military involvement in the region, now does the direct bidding of Israel while Israel watches from the sidelines.  During the 1991 Gulf War, Israel was a spectator, just as it is in the war with Iraq.

President Bush, facing dwindling support for the war in Iraq, publicly holds Israel up as a model for what he would like Iraq to become.  Imagine how this idea plays out on the Arab street, which views Israel as the Algerians viewed the French colonizers during the war of liberation. 

“In Israel,” Bush said recently, “terrorists have taken innocent human life for years in suicide attacks.  The difference is that Israel is a functioning democracy and it’s not prevented from carrying out its responsibilities.  And that’s a good indicator of success that we’re looking for in Iraq.” 

Americans are increasingly isolated and reviled in the world.  They remain blissfully ignorant of their own culpability for this isolation.  U.S. “spin” paints the rest of the world as unreasonable, but Israel, Americans are assured, will always be on our side.

  Israel is reaping economic as well as political rewards from its lock-down apartheid state.  In the “gated community” market it has begun to sell systems and techniques that allow the nation to cope with terrorism.  Israel, in 2006, exported $3.4 billion in defense products—well over a billion dollars more than it received in American military aid.  Israel has grown into the fourth largest arms dealer in the world.  Most of this growth has come in the so-called homeland security sector.


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By Mag, May 24, 2008 at 5:56 am Link to this comment
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is coming.  From Allah.  Not from Iran.

It is obvious to anyone with understanding.

Peace to those who deserve it.

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By ali mohammadi pak, May 6, 2008 at 8:54 am Link to this comment
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i greet the day of independence of israel.

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By gncarlo, September 8, 2007 at 1:42 am Link to this comment

This article, critical of Israel, still does not appear in a search of “Hedges” at Truthdig. So, for readers who come here, the story does not exist. Down the “Memory Hole.”
  This reminds me of the Carl Cameron story at Fox News a few years ago, a three-part series about Israeli companies AMDOCS and INFOSYS(or something like that) installing and processing telecommunications surveillance systems in the US, as well as the curious story about the Israeli “students” who were witnessed videotaping the first plane hitting the World Trade Center towers.  These fellows were seen jumping up and down, high-fiving each other, etc.  When they were stopped by police, they said “We are Israeli! We were celebrating because now we are allies in the War On Terror.”  Of course, they were celebrating before the second plane hit, while everyone else was still thinking it was simply a tragic accident. Curious, don’t you think?  After they and a number of other “exchange students” were rounded up for questioning, the owner of the company that they worked for fled to Israel.  The State of Israel, with our tax money, hired them one of the most expensive New York law firms. After being held about ten months, during which the State Department lawyers interfered with their interrogations, the State Department, under protest from both the CIA and the FBI, allowed these people to fly back to Israel.
  The point is that the Cameron story, after complaints from various Jewish organizations, and being deluged with orchestrated phone and email campaigns,  simply ceased to exist.  The Fox site said “this story does not exist.”  There have been a number of copies posted on Youtube, but they are invariably removed within a few days. 
  It is sad to see any site compromise its integrity by bowing to special interest groups but I suppose it is inevitable.  With enough money, and control of the organs of propaganda, the elites can create any “reality”  they choose, and can defame and destroy anyone with the courage to dissent.
  There are other sites that so far appeared to have resisted intimidation by the “First Church of the Holocaust” (that should bring out the screamers!). http://www.vdare.com , http://www.antiwar.com and http://www.ihr.org come to mind. No doubt there are others.  http://www.Davidduke.com is also a good read, for those of you who are mature enough to go to the source, read the man’s own words, and judge for yourself,  rather than let the ADL compile your reading list.

Good night all…

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By DetainThis, September 6, 2007 at 5:33 pm Link to this comment

Good point.

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By gncarlo, September 6, 2007 at 12:07 am Link to this comment

Interesting: I typed in “Hedges” and found numerous articles by Mr. Hedges both before and after the date of this one, 7/02/2007.  But this one is conspicuous by its absence.  I wonder if this is an oversight, or are our moderators perhaps trying to “protect” us from the evils of “anti-semitism” ?

“Memory Hole,” anyone?

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By gncarlo, September 3, 2007 at 1:13 am Link to this comment

One thing to keep in mind is that this article and/or the subsequent discussion would not be tolerated in the Zionist-controlled major media. Since they haven’t yet figured out how to control the Internet, they have to settle for lies and name-calling.
That is probably the most important, although the least understood and visible front in the GWOT: suppressing the Internet. I am told there are efforts in Congress to “deregulate” the Internet, allowing the largest ISPs to gobble up the smaller ones and then charge varying fees on access to different websites.  It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out where that will go. Access to Nizkor or the ADL could remain free, while something like ihr dot org or antiwar dot com could have a significant per minute charge.  I would like to see more discussion and publicity about the likelihood of this from people who are knowledgable about the Internet. It would be unfortunate if we were to wake up one morning and be told that, like internet poker, “our betters” have decided for us which activities are permissible and which are not.
Apropos the article above, I am currently reading a very detailed treatment of this problem.  The book title is:  “They Dare To Speak Out” by Paul Findley, former Congressman from Illinois. The book is a little dated (1985), but it is a shocker.  I suspect things have only gotten worse.

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By Hans Hugo, August 9, 2007 at 3:28 pm Link to this comment
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Armed Palestinian women wearing religious garb…. Sorry, but that photo is too contradictive. Try “some guy trying to fool people into believing they are Armed Palestinian women wearing religious garb”

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By Tony Wicher, July 25, 2007 at 2:18 pm Link to this comment

Re #89402 by Inherit The Wind on 7/25 at 9:57 am

When I said that Jews are the most powerful minority in the world, I meant ethnic minority. I believe you and I agree that there is an anti-democratic power elite that contols both the government and the media. It is not an ethnic minority. I do not think this power elite is primarily Jewish or Zionist. I do think that Zionists are an important part of it, however. There are lots of Jews in high places, economic, political and intellectual. That is a good thing. My point is not that they are running the country, but only that they have more than enough power to protect themselves and therefore do not require special protection. On the contrary, the problem is the abuse of the power they now have, rather than their lack of power. It is now the Palestinians whose lack of power must be addressed.

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Tony Wicher on 7/25 at 9:37 am
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However, I do agree with you that it is time for Jews, who constitute the most powerful minority in the world, to stop with the “victim” mentality. The victims have become the victimizers.

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No, Tony, you are clearly and blatantly wrong.  The most powerful minority is and has always been the wealthiest 1% of the population.  EVERYTHING revolves around extending and perpetuating their wealth, power and control.  We’ve had a minor hiatus from this in America, but it clearly was reversed in November of 1980.  The reversal is now nearly complete—the object of the last 6 years.

A few Jews are in this 1% but mostly not.

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By Tony Wicher, July 25, 2007 at 10:37 am Link to this comment

Re #89270 by jbart on 7/24 at 7:35 pm

I don’t think you understand what the debate is about. It concerns the distinction between Judaism and Zionism, anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism. It is extremely important to sort this out; without an understanding of this there is no way to resolve the whole Israel/Palestine issue.

However, I do agree with you that it is time for Jews, who constitute the most powerful minority in the world, to stop with the “victim” mentality. The victims have become the victimizers. Jews should be held to the same standards as everyone else. They do not deserve special protection. To do that means the end of American support, the end of Zionism, and the end of Israel as a “Jewish state”.  These things will occur naturally if the United States changes is present policy of enabling Zionism. Zionists are trying to get a grip on the American political process to prevent this from happening. Americans must fight this while at the same time opposing and not giving aid and comfort to anti-Semites, who do exist and whose numbers are growing by leaps and bounds precisely because of morally unsustainable Zionist policies.

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By jbart, July 24, 2007 at 8:35 pm Link to this comment
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To ALL….
You are all wasting your respective time/energies on this debate. Those opposed will never “give in” to those in favor. It is all a waste of your time and effort(s) to attempt to “convert” the opposed.  Neither side can, nor will, give an inch.
I can state my own opinion, but that opinion will be met with arguments that “resound” with the (getting old) “oy vie es mea” Jewish lament. The only problem I see/hear is the “poor” bullshit. Give up the “pity me” horseshit already. You’re not poor, in a real description of the term, and shouldn’t keep looking for sympathy. In fact, due to intellect, and resourcefulness, you’re anything but. So stop the “Oh, woe is me ” bullshit. Give us all a break from the cry, assholes !! There’s nothing that anybody needs to feel sorry for re:your “unfortunate plight”!! The blacks? (sorry, I meant Afro-Americans). THe Latinos? ( I’m sorry but I’m not sure of the latest P.C. of those oppressed by the mean-old American society). All I know is sympathy needs to be real/deserved. The Jewish population here, and in Israel deserves no such sympathy, nor assistance from the American taxpayer. There are people/societies that are in much greater need of American assistance and involvement. Israel just doesn’t qualify. Israel, on the other hand, should lend financial assistance from its own “coffers” to the less fortunate of the world. But not just medical/voluntary people, but CASH !!!
Lilzamer…
where are you, babe? I haven’t seen your pro-Israel position lately and…..truthfully…I miss your slant/bias. I don’t want to play the “coward” card here but…..hey, get back to me when you get the chance. Okay?

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By Tony Wicher, July 24, 2007 at 10:39 am Link to this comment

Re #88819 by Ernest Canning on 7/23 at 7:30 am

Tony, I don’t think Mr. Stawson’s very narrow distinction between anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism is sound or meaningful. 

I would consider Jewish American intellectuals like Noam Chomsky and Norm Finkelstein as anti-Zionists but definitely “not” anti-Semetic.” 
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Ernest,

I think you know that my leading lights on this issue are Chomsky, Finkelstein and Pappe. Hardly are they anti-Semitic, nor do they qualify as such according to the criteria listed in the article. They understand the difference between Judaism and Zionism. They understand what real anti-Semitism is.
Finkelstein has devoted books of fine scholarship to exactly delineating this distinction, an extremely valuable intellectual service to the world.

At the same time, I also have gotten an education in anti-Semitism from an early age, and there is no denying its pervasiveness. Since the 1930’s it has indeed spread all over the Arab world. It has been all over the Chrsitian world for 2000 years. Those who have not been so educated and do not have a good grasp of history often not understand the distinction. When they confuse Judaism with Zionism, they do fall into anti-Semitism. You can see a lot of this on the web just as the article says, mostly web sites set up by young people who are politically ignorant, including a lot of young and foolish “radicals”. We who oppose Zionism on the right grounds and for the right reasons must be careful not to allow the Zionists to trick us into associating ourselves with people who really are promoting anti-Semitism, whether they know it or not.

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By cann4ing, July 23, 2007 at 8:30 am Link to this comment

Tony, I don’t think Mr. Stawson’s very narrow distinction between anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism is sound or meaningful. 

I would consider Jewish American intellectuals like Noam Chomsky and Norm Finkelstein as anti-Zionists but definitely “not” anti-Semetic.  There is no suggestion in either man’s extensive academic writings that reflects or even hints at “Jewish inferiority.”  They are anti-Zionist in the same way they are anti-racist and anti-fascist, for there is, at the core of Zionism, a basic undercurrent of a racist, ethnic cleansing, fascist ideology.

I suspect that Finkelstein, in particular, would regard Stawson’s suggestion most anti-Zionism is “based on the premise the Jews are inferior” as one of the “misuses” of anti-Semitism he so carefully documents in “Beyond Chutspah.”

If one were to accept Stawson’s suggestion, it would mean that “most” anti-Zionism flows from racism, where, in fact, the reverse is true.  Most principled anti-Zionism flows from anti-racism, a point demonstrated in the title President Carter chose for his book, “Peace not Apartheid.”

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By Tony Wicher, July 22, 2007 at 9:55 pm Link to this comment

Re #88701 by the 1Sgt on 7/22 at 1:07 pm

That is by in large a good history of anti-Semitism. I recommend anyone involved in this issue to read it. Does this article distinguish between anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism? Near the end we find the following paragraph:

“Anti-Zionism and Anti-Semitism - Anti-Zionism is opposition to the existence of the state of Israel or the idea of reconstituting a Jewish homeland. It is not necessarily anti-Semitic, but it usually is so, especially when the complaints against Israel and “Zionists” include controlling the government of the United States, conspiring to take over the world, starting world wars etc. (see above for characteristics of anti-Semitic Web sites). Anti-Zionism is usually based on the premise that Jews are inferior or different from any other group of people, and therefore do not have the right to declare themselves a nation or people. See article by John L. Strawson for a discussion of anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism).”

I am glad to see that it says that anti-Zionism is not necessarily anti-Semitic. That leaves room for you and me to exist, at least. It lists the tell-tale signs of anti-Semitism in those who take an anti-Zionist position:

(1) complaints about Israel or Zionists controlling the government of the United States. 

I always say that there has been since the Balfour declaration an alliance between U.S./British imperialism and Zionism. They are manipulating everbody, Jew and Gentile alike. I tend to believe that in every country there is a ruling class that has an agenda that is anti-democratic, and that those ruling classes often have more in common with each other than with the average person in the country they rule.

I believe this position absolves me from anti-Semitism according to criterion (1).

(2)  The paragraph above goes on to say that “Anti-Zionism is usually based on the premise that Jews are inferior or different from any other group of people, and therefore do not have the right to declare themselves a nation or people.”

What I say is that “Jew” denotes a religious or ethnic cultural inheritance, and that in the United States, for example, discrimination on the basis of religion or ethnicity is forbidden by the Constitution. There can be no laws in the United States that discriminate against Jews. By the same Constitution, there can also be no laws discriminating in favor of Jews, or against non-Jews. We do have “affirmative action”, and I tend to question its constitutionality, to the horror of some of my liberal friends. But the idea of affirmative action for Jews in this country is surely a joke.

I say these Constitutional principles apply universally to any state that can be called a democracy. Israel is not such a state, and never will be such a state until its people repudiate Zionism.

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By the 1Sgt, July 22, 2007 at 2:07 pm Link to this comment

http://www.zionism-israel.com/dic/Anti-Semitism.htm

Anti-Semitism - (also Antisemitism ) - Jew Hatred.

In general, any work that pretends to describe the characteristics or traits of a whole people might be racist even if unintentionally so. Racism or bigotry directed at Jews is anti-Semitism.

Any of the following are certain signs of anti-Semitic racism, which predate or are unrelated to Israel:

  Protocols of the Elders of Zion - Any work that publicizes this forged documentas true is anti-Semitic. Often the claim is made that the Protocols were actually the resolution of the first Zionist congress in Basle, which was held in 1897, 8 years before the publication of the protocols.

  Blood libel - Any publication that claims Jews use the blood of Christians to bake ritual cakes is anti-Semitic obviously. It may be hard to believe, but this medieval superstition is popular in the Arab world.

  Holocaust revisionism - Any work that claims the Holocaust did not occur or was exaggerated by Jews or “Zionists” or uses the phrase “Holocaust Myth” is anti-Semitic.

  Exclusivism - The notion that Jews are an “Exclusivist” or clannish people who shut out others predates Christianity and is a sure sign of anti-Semitism.

  Jews are powerful and control the world -  Jews constitute a tiny fraction (less than 2%) of the population of the United States, and a much smaller fraction of world population (12 million out of 6 billion—about .002 = 2 thousandths). The only country that has a Jewish head of state is Israel. Nonetheless, anti-Semites assert that Jews or “Zionists” control the world and assert their “pernicious influence” in mysterious ways.

  Talmud - Works that insist that the Talmud contains laws that discriminate against non-Jews or teach Jews to cheat gentiles are anti-Semitic. Likewise works that insist that Jews hold the Talmud to be more holy than the Old Testament or that all Jews believe the Talmud are anti-Semitic. The claims are false.
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Zionists are themselves racist and hold prejudicial views of Arabs, many times referring to them as animals and being less than human. Yet, they have no problem calling anyone who merely criticizes them, and their state of Israel FOR THEIR OWN ACTIONS, as anti-semetic. This is calling people antisemitic for criticism, not racial bigotry or institutionalized segregation (Apartheid) as Zionists are by default proponents or enabler of.

In fact, my mere statement above is regarded as “antisemetic” by some.

Also note in the definitions above the word “work” is used to denote statements or publications.

Free speech is a crime or wrong if it refers to anything bad Israel is doing.

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By Tony Wicher, July 22, 2007 at 11:52 am Link to this comment

Re #88461 by Inherit The Wind on 7/21 at 4:33 am
Re #88215 by Irkutsk on 7/20 at 6:28 am

“Anti-semitism is an expression dating from the Zionist movement of the nineteenth century.  Before that, for thousands of years in communities into which Jews settled, a substantial minority or even a majority of the host community eventually came to resent the behaviour of the Jews, citing characteristics that were remarkably similar, in lands and at times disparate and unconnected.  This strongly suggests that there was substance to their criticisms. “
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ITW,

I have steadily disagreed with you on this thread about your insistence on identifying Zionism with Judaism, and anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism. But in regard to the above comment I agree with you; it is now Irkutsk who is conflating the Zionism and Judaism, and it is you who are correctly calling him on it.

Zionism, or Jewish nationalism, is imperialist, colonialist and racist in essence, to the core. It is a pernicious nineteenth century Jewish heresy. Those who led this movement were not rabbis but secular, and they did not understand that the moral implications of Zionism. It is a moral monstrosity which no person of conscience, whether religious or secular can support, whether they be Jew or Gentile.

However, when Irkutsk advances his ideas about the pre-Zionist history of the Jewish people, and essentially says that Judaism itself has always been racist and that this has caused worldwide resentment for centuries, this actually IS anti-Semitic. Perhaps he does not know this, so let us try to straighten him out.

Irkutsk,

THE PRIMARY CAUSE OF ANTI-SEMITISM FOR THE LAST 2000 YEARS HAS BEEN CHRISTIANITY. ANTI-SEMITISM IS THE RESULT OF A SPLIT IN JUDAISM SYMBOLIZED IN THE MYTH OF THE LIFE, DEATH AND RESSURECTION OF JESUS CHRIST. FOR 2000 YEARS THE CATHOLIC CHURCH HAS BEEN WHISPERING IN THE EARS OF LITTLE CHILDREN THAT “THE JEWS KILLED JESUS”. THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH HAS PERPETUATED THIS FOUL CANARD AGAINST THE JEWISH PEOPLE. THAT IS THE PRIMARY CAUSE OF THE SPANISH INQUISITION, ALL THE POGROMS IN EUROPE, THE GENERAL USE OF JEWISH PEOPLE AS SCAPEGOATS, AND IT IS WHAT MADE HITLER POSSIBLE TOO.

When you say that pre-Zionist Jews were responsible for their own persecution, you are just repeating the lies of the Church, which perhaps have been whispered in your ear at some time too. They are pervasive.

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By radii, July 22, 2007 at 4:12 am Link to this comment
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Zionist Stop Whining!

The game is up and you don’t like it, well too damn bad. You had a good long run looting the US Treasury, committing every kind of war crime and created a vicious apartheid state founded by mafia, and you control nearly all major media globally and yet like sand through one’s fingers your control is weakening the tighter you grip.

The world is sick of you.

Change or be shunted aside like the tedious terrors your are.

Try being decent human beings.

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By Inherit The Wind, July 21, 2007 at 5:33 am Link to this comment
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Anti-semitism is an expression dating from the Zionist movement of the nineteenth century.  Before that, for thousands of years in communities into which Jews settled, a substantial minority or even a majority of the host community eventually came to resent the behaviour of the Jews, citing characteristics that were remarkably similar, in lands and at times disparate and unconnected.  This strongly suggests that there was substance to their criticisms.

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And, to your mind, I guess, justified the brutal pogroms against Jews in your part of the world. Being different is a good reason to be murdered?????????

Irkutsk—one of the Russian then Soviet provences known for its ignorance, superstitions and anti-semitism.

A history lesson is in order: Jews were FORBIDDEN to intermingle, to own property, to engage in trades, to join guilds, to be landowners.  They were FORCED to live outside European society from the earliest days.

The ONLY professions they were ALLOWED to participate in were ones BARRED to Christians—particularly money-lending.  So the ONLY wealth Jews could have was education and gold—so they did what they HAD to do to survive—become bankers.  And were cursed for it, too.

Yeah, Jews were different—throughout most of European history they engaged in sanitary practices that Christians thought weird and absurd—but when the Jews survived the Plague and disease better than YOUR ancestors, Irkutsk, they, with the ignorance they have passed down to YOU, assumed it must be black magjic.  NEVER once did your superstitious, irrational forebears EVER imagine it was because Jews bathed and WASHED THEIR HANDS before they ate.

Simple hygiene—unknown to Europe until the 1700s, and not common until the mid 1800s.

Yeah, Jews were different. They EDUCATED their children throughout history. Europeans didn’t. In fact, YOUR Christian churches worked hard to make sure the peasantry (your ancestors) STAYED illiterate, ignorant, superstitious and terrified of the unknown so they could control them.

This education wasn’t just facts and figures—it was education in close reasoning.  Jews became good lawyers because local laws were far simpler to understand and interpret than Talmudic Law, with which they had centuries of practice analyzing and debating.

As opportunities opened up to those with brains, education and the ability to use them, many Jews went into scholarly fields—arts and letters, social sciences, sciences. And they excelled.

It’s all based on an emphasis on EDUCATION.  Today, we are seeing the SAME qualities in peoples from other cultures, especially the Asians in general and Chinese in particular. We see them move aggressively into business, professions, and the arts—and succeed!  To which I say: “Good for them!”

Irkutsk: You are the PERFECT exemplar of what I’ve been saying—Truthdig has become a hotbed for a new line of Anti-Semitism that’s no different than the old stuff. Just dressed up in new clothing.

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By Robert, July 20, 2007 at 6:56 pm Link to this comment

July 20, 2007

The Threat of American Public Opinion
Israel’s Dirty Little Secret

By ANTHONY DiMAGGIO

“It’s easy enough to read in the American press about Hama’s commitment to destroying Israel, or about the endless threats Israelis suffer under the onslaught of Palestinian suicide attacks and Hezbollah’s aggression. American progressives, and anyone else who honestly looks at American media and political commentary, have long known that racist caracitures of Arabs and Muslims are the order of the day in the United States. Whether it’s racist stereotypes promulgated in films such as Disney’s Aladdin or Arnold Schwarzenegger’s True Lies, or vitriolic commentary and op-eds within elite newspapers and television, American media-political culture has long prided itself in demonizing Arabs and Muslims. Typically there is little effort to even make a distinguishment between the two. Popular images portray Arabs and Muslims as hell-bent on violence, religious fanatacism, and the destruction of the U.S. and its allies (Israel most specifically).

There is, of course, a lengthy record of academic studies committed to exposing such contempt and xenophobia in American culture. In his important work, Covering Islam: How the Media and Experts Determine How We See the Rest of the World, Edward Said chronicles the “highly exaggerated stereotyping and belligerent hostility” directed against Muslims within the American mainstream. In contrast, Said speaks of “Israel’s avowedly religious characteristics [as] rarely mentioned in the Western press: Only recently have there been overt references to Israeli religious fanaticism.” Following Said, other scholars have focused upon media misrepresentations of Arab and Muslim peoples. In Islamic Peril: Media and Global Violence, Karim Karim emphasizes how “Muslim terrorism” is often a focus of media commentary and analysis, while Israel is seen “as an island of Western values in a sea of Arab Muslim barbarism.”

Although the backlash against these forms of media and political racism has begun to gain steam amongst critics of the U.S. and Israel, this has not stopped the American press from promoting a fictional American love affair amongst the American public and Israel. After 9/11, the New York Times claimed erroneously that American sympathy with Israel had risen to new highs, when in reality it was slightly less supportive (see Eric Boehlert, “The Times Misrepresents the American Public’s Support for Israel, Salon.com). In a late 2006 story, the Boston Globe reported that there has been an increase in support for outsourcing job services to Israel in light of the country’s “vast pool of highly educated workers who are native English speakers and share a cultural affinity with the West” (Matthew Kalman, “US Firms Turn to Israel as Outsourcing Alternative,” November 24, 2006).

American pundits also fall back on the alleged ties of cultural affinity between Americans and Israelis. Neoconservative Daniel Pipes claims that the “special feeling” amongst Americans “for Israel translates directly into policy. While the US public dislikes foreign aid in general, polls show that ‘most Americans strongly support’ economic and military aid to Israel.” Boston Globe columnist Jeff Jacoby celebrates “staunch American support” and “solidarity” for Israel, claiming that “only someone far outside the American mainstream would insist that ‘Israel’s past and present conduct offers no moral basis for privileging it over the Palestinians,’ or that US policy is engineered through a Zionist ‘stranglehold on Congress.’”

http://www.counterpunch.org/dimaggio07202007.html

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By Robert, July 20, 2007 at 12:55 pm Link to this comment

Silenced Witnesses

In a seven-week period this spring, two overseas observers were killed by the Israeli army in the Gaza Strip, and a third left brain dead. But has the truth yet been told?

by John Sweeney
 
“James Miller taught my children to surf. Together, the two of us went to Kosovo, Chechnya and Zimbabwe. He was funny, decent to the core, a genius behind the camera lens. Together, we celebrated winning a Royal Television Society gong by having one shandy too many. I fell into an argument with an irritating cove in a penguin suit. James stepped in, threatening to take said cove outside and sort him out. At which point, some PR floozie whispered in my ear: “Do you know who that is?” No. “It’s the head of ITV.” Don’t watch it much anyway. James and I had so much fun and, occasionally, we did the work.

I was in Baghdad when I heard the news. He had been shot in Rafah, at the fag-end of the Gaza Strip, and was dead.

I phoned his widow Sophy immediately, and wept buckets. When the BBC decided to investigate James’s killing, they asked me to report for the film. I couldn’t say no.

James was not the first international witness to fall silent in Rafah. He was the third. This spring, in less than seven weeks, and within a radius of less than three miles, the American human-shield activist Rachel Corrie was crushed to death by an Israeli bulldozer; the British photographer and peace activist Tom Hurndall was shot in the head and rendered brain-dead; and James Miller was shot dead.

To understand what happened to James, it made sense to investigate the killing of Rachel and the maiming of Tom, whose family are currently discussing with doctors whether or not his life-support machine should be switched off. One day we filmed Tom lying in his hospital bed at the Royal Hospital for Neuro-disability in Putney, south-west London. On the wall was a battery of photographs showing Tom with a whole life ahead of him. The bleep-bleep of the monitor was the only sound. That afternoon, we has traveled to a Devon village to film Sophy Miller, James’s widow, and their children, Alexander, three, and Lotte, not yet one.

Making our film, When Killing Is Easy, has been the most harrowing ordeal of my professional life. But it is vital that it isevidential - and that is really tough when the Israeli government and the Israeli Defense Force (IDF) have refused to speak to us. From mid-August we faxed and telephoned the Israelis repeatedly, asking them to explain their actions. All we got was a series of old press releases.

Rachel Corrie was the first of the three victims. She was a member of the International Solidarity Movement (ISM). They are young idealists, mainly European and American, who offer themselves as human shields. You could call them naive, even foolish. There is no doubting their guts. They stand between the Israeli bulldozers and their targets, the Palestinians’ homes that the IDF wants to flatten.

The Israelis have their reasons. Rafah is a stronghold of Islamic extremism in Gaza. The Palestinians dig tunnels underneath the Israeli-controlled border to their relatives in Egypt. The tunnels, the Israelis say, are used to smuggle guns and bombs. It is fair to point out that few, if any, suicide bombers have come from Gaza, for the simple reason that the Israelis have made it virtually impossible for ordinary residents to leave the strip. Even so, to make the tunneling more difficult the IDF has created a Berlin Wall-style “death strip”. The ISM people come along and get in the way. The Israeli government calls them “irresponsible”, “illegal” and “terrorist sympathizers.”

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/1030-05.htm

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By Robert, July 20, 2007 at 12:25 pm Link to this comment

Comment #88115 by Ernest Canning on 7/19

Ernest…I am the least bit surprised by the information & details of Remi Kenazi’s story regarding Israel’s Nazi policies/methods that are in place and are practiced everyday against the Palestinians at Tel Aviv/Ben Gurion airport.

If you remember, that I did comment about this very topic in several of my previous comments. My wife, children and myself witnessed this horrific racism, Nazi/Facist methods and the most gruesome discrimination being practiced/enforced by Israelis against (Christian & Moslem) Palestinians at Tel Aviv airport and other places in Israel and the occupied territories. We could not believe what we saw with our own eyes…over and over. The sad part is that the majority of Americans don’t know anything about this topic. I have NO doubt that our State Department and our US Ambassador in Tel Aviv are aware of Israel’s methods. Do they dare speak out against such abuses…such un-democratic methods?

If there were unrestricted video broadcasts on such an Apartheid system(s), there is NO doubt that most of Israel/IDF’s facist methods against the Palestinians will be immensely curbed. 

These above methods are NOT practiced/enforced upon Jews.

Imagine if there were live video cameras that are manned/supervised by Human Rights groups at the Israeli/IDF checkpoints, Tel Aviv airport, and other places…where Americans & Westerners will a have a chance to see for themselves Israel’s Human Rights abuses and Nazi Apartheid methods.

CNN, FOX (FALSE) NEWS, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC, NPR and other mainstream AIPAC controlled news media will NOT dare broadcasts such racist/facist Israeli abuses.

Israel & AIPAC will NEVER allow such a forum. They have many gruesome ways of intimidating news personnel and peaceful groups. Shooting and murder is one method that really works for Israel & its fanatic IDF killers.

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By nahida, July 20, 2007 at 9:06 am Link to this comment

About anti-Semitism

whole article here:

http://www.ichblog.eu/content/view/1190/

{People talk with liberty about Muslim extremists, and Christian fundamentalists; but they stop short of uttering the forbidden word “Jewish extremists” 

We as people who desire justice, and long for peace; and we as human race can never achieve equality without applying the same criteria and standards for ALL ; and that should also include any other ideology, not only religious one, but also we must acknowledge that there are secular extremists, and atheists fundamentalists, Marxist extremists… etc.}

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By Irkutsk, July 20, 2007 at 7:28 am Link to this comment

From Inherit The Wind on 7/19 at 4:24 am

“I continue to be disturbed by the constant thread of anti-semitism that flows through this site, the IMMEDIATE assumption that the UK government cannot pick a competent professional, even if he’s Jewish.”

I too am disturbed by the gratuitous and inappropriate use of the word anti-semitism

Anti-semitism is an expression dating from the Zionist movement of the nineteenth century.  Before that, for thousands of years in communities into which Jews settled, a substantial minority or even a majority of the host community eventually came to resent the behaviour of the Jews, citing characteristics that were remarkably similar, in lands and at times disparate and unconnected.  This strongly suggests that there was substance to their criticisms.

Imagine an extra-terrestrial team sent to Earth to report on us humans, one from a civilisation with the intelligence to have developed the technology to arrive, but without the ethical baggage that clouds our analysis when looking at ourselves.  Analysing us as we would a species of animal, would they not notice characteristics more common to members of certain groups than others, a view that is today described as racism – another linguistic newcomer, coined by Leon Trotsky, which implicitly uses moral blackmail to limit discussion.  And on learning our history would they not conclude that the Jews have selected themselves as different (the chosen people), and have used their talents to obtain a greater share of material wealth and influence than other groups on Earth; and that, intentionally or not, they have created a shield against criticism with the use of the term anti-semitism.

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By cann4ing, July 19, 2007 at 7:20 pm Link to this comment

Robert, the Remi Kanazi story sort of punches a huge hole in Zionist claims that Israel is a democracy.  I don’t know how else to characterize it but a society with all the trappings of a fascist police state—that is for any who do not fit favored status.

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By Robert, July 19, 2007 at 4:40 pm Link to this comment

July 19, 2007

A Palestinian Adventure in Israel’s Largest Airport

Is This Ben Gurion or Hell?

By REMI KANAZI

“Anyone who has traveled through Ben Gurion airport in Israel knows that it is a unique experience. For most Israeli Jews, the experience is comforting, a quick and accommodating entry into a nation created and developed for the Jewish people. For Palestinian-Americans and many activists working in occupied Palestine it is quite a different experience. Most of these travelers are held for hours and questioned repeatedly; some of who are stripped naked and in some cases (especially in the last two years) denied entry.
As I writefrom Ramallah, I recall my and my brother’s experience in Ben Gurion just one week ago. After a sleepless 15 hour trip from New York, we arrived at the airport and went directly to the check-in booth. After waiting in a short line, a friendly woman asked for our passports, yet immediately turned sour once she viewed them. We were asked to step aside and after about 15 minutes a woman from airport security told us to follow her into one of the detainment rooms. Given the countless stories of harassment I had heard and read about before my trip, I wasn’t so foolish to think that my journey through Ben Gurion would be a walk in the park. I had initially anticipated a four hour wait, interrogation, and a thorough pat down by Israel’s finest.

When we arrived at the first detainment room, several young female security agents asked us where we were going, about our ethnic background and family history, whether we had family in Israel or the occupied territories (and if we would be staying with them), and if “there was anything they should know.” We were then taken to another detainment room, where a few other detainees were being held. Over the next three hours, several female security officers came into the detainment room we were being held in to question us, while at other times we were called into other detainment rooms for questioning. One African detainee, an elderly black woman, was not allowed into the country with her husband despite a seemingly innocent decision to visit her family.

After about four hours, pure exhaustion set in. At this time, we were taken to a large room with metal detectors, an x-ray machine and a coffee machine that looked like it wasn’t in use. Still, in a token attempt at friendliness, the security agent offered us a cup of coffee. But the offer was rescinded once he noted the machine was out of service.

About every ten minutes another member of airport security entered the room. After about 30 minutes we were taken into a back room, patted down, and scanned with a hand held metal detector. After being held for an hour, Sami, who claimed to be a higher up in the IDF and airport security, entered the room. He had apparently been called in by regular airport security because of certain “red flags” we had raised.

Sami didn’t look particularly happy to see us. He started to go through our bags, which had been checked by every member of airport security that previously entered the room. He had a determined look on his face as he sifted through my brother’s book on corporate law and became more agitated when he didn’t find the holy grail of information.

After about 15 minutes Sami looked up at us and told us that “something was missing;” we were “leaving out part of the story,” and he was going to find out just exactly what that “part” was. He was looking for what he called the “truth.” So I repeated what we had told the previous soldiers: we were staying our first two nights in East Jerusalem, we would be traveling to the holy sites (to see where baby Jesus was born), Haifa and Yaffa (the cities our grandparents were dispossessed from in 1948), Nazareth and Bethlehem.”
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Read on for the rest of the TRUTH:
http://www.counterpunch.org/kanazi07192007.html

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Irkutsk on 7/18 at 9:33 pm
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Has the new British Prime Minister Gordon Brown sabotaged his old rival Tony Blair’s mandate as Middle East coordinator?  David Miliband the new Foreign Secretary is a Jew.  This fact was almost entirely overlooked in the British media, even by the BBC, probably from fear of being labelled anti-semitic.  Down on Damascus Avenue however it will be by far his most important attribute, outweighing his intelligence and youth, and will strengthen the view that the British can no longer be relied upon as impartial, that their once independent position has been abandoned.  It is inconceivable that this did not occur to Mr Brown and his advisors in their long and careful construction of the cabinet; so it seems fair to speculate that his appointment may have been a deliberate manoeuvre to weaken Mr Blair’s mission, one already tainted with Iraq and the Lebanon.  If so, it indicates a vindictive nature which bodes ill for the new British government, and worse for the Middle East.

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Did it EVER occur to you that he was selected, in part, BECAUSE he’s a Jew???

Why would that matter? “Because only Nixon could go to China.”

It is PRECISELY because Miliband is a Jew that he will be able to question and challenge the Israeli government and they will NOT be able to accuse him of bias. As clever as the Israelis have been at using guilt on Western governments, they cannot use it on a Jew.  They cannot say “Oh, you don’t understand, you can’t understand” because he does. And they know it. It gave Henry Kissinger ENORMOUS leeway back in Nixon’s day (Of course, HK’s incompetence squandered it).

I continue to be disturbed by the constant thread of anti-semitism that flows through this site, the IMMEDIATE assumption that the UK government cannot pick a competent professional, even if he’s Jewish.

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By Irkutsk, July 18, 2007 at 10:33 pm Link to this comment

Has the new British Prime Minister Gordon Brown sabotaged his old rival Tony Blair’s mandate as Middle East coordinator?  David Miliband the new Foreign Secretary is a Jew.  This fact was almost entirely overlooked in the British media, even by the BBC, probably from fear of being labelled anti-semitic.  Down on Damascus Avenue however it will be by far his most important attribute, outweighing his intelligence and youth, and will strengthen the view that the British can no longer be relied upon as impartial, that their once independent position has been abandoned.  It is inconceivable that this did not occur to Mr Brown and his advisors in their long and careful construction of the cabinet; so it seems fair to speculate that his appointment may have been a deliberate manoeuvre to weaken Mr Blair’s mission, one already tainted with Iraq and the Lebanon.  If so, it indicates a vindictive nature which bodes ill for the new British government, and worse for the Middle East.

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By cann4ing, July 18, 2007 at 8:19 am Link to this comment

Schoolmarm, you are absolutely correct.  In my haste, I mispelled plagiarism.  Mea Culpa!

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By nahida, July 18, 2007 at 7:48 am Link to this comment

Who is beating those war drums!

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From Haaretz:

By Sara Miller, Haaretz Correspondent

New envoy to U.K.: Jews must do more to put Iran on the agenda

{The Israeli ambassador-elect to Britain, Ron Prosor, said Tuesday that the Jews around the world and the global community should do more to focus attention on Iran and its nuclear aspirations.}
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Is it because Israel DON’T have nuclear weapons!!!

or is it because Iran have them, I wonder!

Absurd logic:

If Iran have them it’s a threat to neighboring countries (including Israel), but if Israel has them, it is for the security of the neighboring countries (and the world)!!!

Read whole article here:

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/880388.html

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By cyrena, July 18, 2007 at 3:28 am Link to this comment

#87491 by nahida on 7/17 at 11:59 am

Ya know what? When I responded to Ernest’s post to you, (Nahida) I hadn’t yet READ this latest from “wavelenght”. I presumed that she was still up to her old tricks, of the mostly juvenille stuff. (all of the psychobabble).

But, I was AMAZED to read that she had gone so far as to pen this letter to the truthdig editors. So, now wavelength has gone totally over the edge…beyond the tipping point, and so lets just hope and pray that wavelenght keeps this “promise” that in his or her own illusions, it’s actually a threat:

....“I urge you to take action against this member if you are concerned about the integrity of your service.  If you do not address the issue I will not contribute to your forums in the future.  Thank you for your time and consideration.

Sincerely,
Wavelength}
end quote…...

So, there we have it. Wavelength has promised NOT to CONTRIBUTE TO THESE FORUMS IN THE FUTURE!!!

Mr. Scheer, Please do NOTHING. I think we’ve got this covered. It all worked out.

 

WHOA…I can’t believe she wrote this. (I think wavelength is a female, but I could be wrong)

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By cyrena, July 18, 2007 at 1:52 am Link to this comment

#87573 by Ernest Canning on 7/17 at 6:45 pm
Ernest, Nahida, they did it to me too!!! As a matter-of-fact, a couple of weeks ago, we were being attacked as a “double enemy” (Nahida and me that is) and wavelength and his or her supporters, were calling us everything except the children of God. I finally explained that Nahida and I didn’t exactly KNOW each other, although we have much in common, as evident from her posts.
So, I agree with this posting, and particularly this:
…..” I think you hit the nail on the head.  “Wavelength” singled you out for persecution because you are a Muslim woman who is proud of your heritage and dare to speak the truth about the ugliness into which the Israeli-Palestinian conflict has devolved.”””
It took me a while to figure this out, and I actually spent a lot of time responding to them, generally preferring to give everyone respect for their views, whatever they might be, as long as they appear to be rational, and capable of objective analyses of the things that matter to all of us. But, once they’ve sort of displayed their ignorance time and time, and show no appreciation for learning something that they didn’t previously know, than that’s when I figure I’m wasting my time.
I tried to warn you Nahida . They just went totally off the deep-end (they particularly like these debates about religion, and they are totally mesmerized by things from medieval times, like dungeons and dragons, and those early forms of torture that people inflicted on each other. And somehow, (maybe too much Disney and war documentaries at the same time) they now like to work up this whole new theme, to connect it to the Muslims of the world. So, they work up these “visions” of Ali Baba and his Seven Thieves’ (a Western fairy tale) so that they have every Arab male galloping across the Arabian Peninsula, with swords, whacking off the ears of anyone they come across. It just all got a little bizarre for me, especially when wavelength claimed to be a physician. Now quite frankly, that TERRIFIED me. And then, in a subsequent post, BFskinnerPunk “told” me that I’d better go back and re-read wavelengths’ posts. Now….WHY would I want to do THAT? Holy Schmoly, just what I need eh? Yet another neurotic.
(I swear to you Nahida, Americans have not always been like this ..and as you can see they really are the exception to the rule…and the internet brings them out, since they are basically cowards).

Anyway, please do as Ernest suggests here, because we do appreciate you.

“Keep posting Nahida.  Many of us have appreciated your insightful commentary.”

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By Tony Wicher, July 18, 2007 at 1:19 am Link to this comment

#86142 by Narad Naia Volia on 7/11 at 9:13 pm

Judaism is not Zionism. Judaism is a religion thousands of years old, and has become an important part of world culture over all those years. Zionism is a 19th century heresy. It is secular. Those who conceived and led the Zionist movement were not rabbis. They were more like the Bolsheviks, a cadre that for fifty years planned and carried out the takeover of Palestine.

These secular political leaders have misled the Jewish people into a morally impossible position. It is up to Jewish people to wake up, realize this and repudiate Zionism, much as it is up to the American people to repudiate imperialism by impeaching Bush and Cheney. It is also up to the United States to stop supporting Israel and to demand instead its compliance with international law. Americans should meet in person with their congresspeople to give this message to them.

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By schoolmarm, July 17, 2007 at 8:13 pm Link to this comment
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ernest: 

you are normally so literate and well-informed so i was surprised that you misspelled “plagiarism”.

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By cann4ing, July 17, 2007 at 7:45 pm Link to this comment

Nahida, I find it interesting that this “wavelength” limited him or herself to a behind-the-scenes ad hominen attack against you rather than having the courage to post directly so that others could directly comment.  Then, again, “wavelength” may be one of the many racist/Zionists from this site, who hides behind another pseudonym—you know, the ones who regularly accuse anyone who would question the now more than forty year brutal occupation of Palestinian lands by Israel as being anti-Semitic—a charge that they level as Muslims, Christians, atheists (like myself) and Jews with a conscience—not only Jewish-American intellectuals like Noam Chomsky and Norman Finkelstein, but any Israeli who favors an end to the occupation.  As Prof. Finkelstein reveals in “Beyond Chutzpah” the charge is even leveled against reputable human rights organizations whenever they challenge brutal Israeli practices. 

By the way, Truthdig follows a basic format that prevents plagerism but does not prevent posters from quoting or linking to other sources.  It appears that this “wavelength” was quite selective in how he launched his attack on you. 

I think you hit the nail on the head.  “Wavelength” singled you out for persecution because you are a Muslim woman who is proud of your heritage and dare to speak the truth about the ugliness into which the Israeli-Palestinian conflict has devolved. 

Keep posting Nahida.  Many of us have appreciated your insightful commentary.

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By nahida, July 17, 2007 at 12:59 pm Link to this comment

supporters of freedom of speech, watch out!!

If you present your views that don’t comply with the “desired” view of “some”, you risk being silenced or threatened to be silenced!

If I was a Muslim woman attacking my faith for being repressive to women, and accusing my religion of being a backward, oppressive, hateful, barbaric and violent religion; I will be given red carpet treatment in all major news outlets, my books will be published, and I will be celebrity figure in no time.

If I speak what I believe is the truth about my faith, and if I dare to say that I don’t feel oppressed by Islam, and if I condemn the injustice and the massacres against my people, my voice must be silenced!!

where is my freedom of speech?

Please read this post from “Religion, Politics and the End of the World” debate:
http://www.truthdig.com/avbooth/item/20070617_religion_politics_and_the_end_of_the_world/

It was written by “wavelength”:

Quote: {#87345 by wavelength on 7/17 at 3:31 am
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Here is a copy of my feedback sent to Truthdig on July 16, 2007—

SUBJECT:  Inappropriate Posts

FEEDBACK:

Hello Truthdig,

I am writing to report that a Truthdig member with the screen-name “Nahida” is making inappropriate use of your “Religion, Politics, and the End of the World” forum.

Despite repeated efforts to draw her into debate, she insists on using the discussion board as a cut-and-paste exercise for materials she finds on other websites.  Rather than an exchange of dialogue, your members have been subjected to a barrage of links to various propaganda websites.  These links are tangential to the issues at hand and subtract from the natural flow of ideas in the forum.

“Nahida” is in clear violation of Article #12, Section A of the Truthdig Service User Agreement, which states “…you are the sole author of the Comments and the Comments are original with you and not copied in whole or in part from any other work…”

These violations are not isolated.  Nearly all of her posts can be labeled as spam—by any reasonable definition—and examining her user history will bear this out.

Why does Truthdig allow free advertising within their discussion forums at the expense of honest dialogue?  How can you justify committing disk space to someone who uses your website as a launch pad for spreading propaganda?

I urge you to take action against this member if you are concerned about the integrity of your service.  If you do not address the issue I will not contribute to your forums in the future.  Thank you for your time and consideration.

Sincerely,
Wavelength}
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By cann4ing, July 16, 2007 at 9:55 pm Link to this comment

To the real Vinnie Faggio, I would suggest that you register a complaint with the editors at Truthdig.

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By Robert, July 16, 2007 at 8:30 pm Link to this comment

Click here for: The Difference Between Jews And Zionists Video


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dSHl3C9kgY&feature=PlayList&p=E66E6FAAC4A1E742&index=6

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By cyrena, July 16, 2007 at 8:29 pm Link to this comment

Comment#87309 by the 1Sgt on 7/16 at 5:47 pm

1Sgt:

First, ignore ITW, since that pretty much seems to be the only thing that he/she has “inherited”....the WIND. Now, all he or she needs to do is convert that wind into renewable energy, and we might actually be able to gain some utility from it. Until then, I’d say ignore whatever it is that ITW happens to be blowing on any given day. I do.

Meantime, most of us (Americans at least) are pretty sick of being ruled (at least in part) by the current policy (all unwritten, since the US does NOT maintain any sort of legal treaties or agreements with Israel) the the U.S. has, regarding Israel in general. And, we’re tired of giving them billions of our dollars, when we have so many people right here, who need what those dollars can buy. Health care, education, housing, food, and all other BASICS, that so many of us currently try to survive…WITHOUT.

THAT’S the bottom line. And, when we get this fixed, I will have no reason to writea paper on this particular subject, because it’s not like there isn’t a whole bunch of other stuff that needs to be addressed.

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By Robert, July 16, 2007 at 8:10 pm Link to this comment

(Part III- continued from previous message)

“Nevertheless, some seventy-eight years after that horrible day, there is still a community of Jews following in the authentic path, and refusing to bow to the Zionist idol. It is in large measure due to the selfless holy efforts of Yaakov Dehan, a martyr of his people who paved the way with self-sacrifice that there are still Jews who refuse to succumb to the Zionist regime of heretics despite the fact that the Zionists overpower the authentic Jews with their laws and power, It is in the merit of Yaakov Dahan that there are still Jews today throughout the world who stand and announce unflinchingly their unswerving loyalty to the countries in which they live, and that there are still Jews in this world who declare to the nations of world that the Zionists and their state has no link with Judaism or the Jewish People.
The funeral of Professor DeHaan was attended by
thousands of mourners.

His murder proved to every loyal Jew that the Zionists appearing on the scene were no friends of the Jewish People, but were murderers who hated Judaism, something that was the beginning of the opportunity of recognizing the enemy. On the most recent anniversary of Dehan’s murder we remembered the good work of Dr. Yaakov Yisrael Dehan on behalf of authentic Judaism in his war against Zionism and its wicked plans. Let us learn from his work to strengthen our resolve and dedication in refusing to bow to the Zionist idol, and to pray for divine providence to redeem the world.”

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Zionists even kill and murder Jews who get in their way and their path of “Terrorism & Ethnic cleansing”.

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By Robert, July 16, 2007 at 8:03 pm Link to this comment

(Part II- continued from previous comment)

“A great and unexpected opportunity presented itself in the form of Dr. Yaakov Yisrael Dehan, who had embraced Judaism from a life of secularism, and had made his way to the Orthodox community of Jerusalem during those difficult days. He sensed the truth, and from then on never ceased to march with the great rabbi of Jerusalem, Rabbi Yosef Chaim Zonnenfeld, who wisely advised Dehan.

Dehan established extensive contacts with many governmental authorities in Europe, including the English, and proceeded to carry out his work immediately. In no time at all he transformed the loyal Jewish community from a tiny one without any international recognition to a community standing up against the Zionist heretics. He and other members of the community represented the Orthodox Jews under the name of “Eida Haredis” (G-d-Fearing Community), and represented the position of the loyal Jewish community.

It goes without saying that the Eida Haredis was accepted warmly among non-Jews, much moreso than was the case with the Zionists – both because of the fact that the Eida Haredis represented traditional, authentic Judaism against Zionism that openly rejected Judaism in its entirety, and because of the fact that the Orthodox position made more sense in order to prevent bloodshed and promote harmony in Palestine.

Dr. Dehan then organized a delegation of Orthodox leaders to meet with Arab leaders headed by King Abdullah. The Jewish delegation was headed by Rabbi Zonnenfeld, and was welcomed by the Arabs like royalty. The king even gave them expensive gifts as a sign of his affection. Of course the Zionists were gritting their teeth when they learned of this event, and saw the possibility that all of their projects may end up collapsing in front of their very eyes. The Zionists began their attacks against the loyal Jewish community in general, and against Dr. Dehan in particular. They slandered him with increasing brutality until they went so far as to call for his murder.

In those days the G-d-fearing Jews were persecuted greatly by the Zionists, and whenever they ran into Dehan in the street they would insult him. However, Dehan never ceased his holy work on behalf of our rabbis. When the Zionists realized that their persecution of Dehan had no effect, they decided to kill him.

In a plan approved by the leading Haganah Zionists a number of young Zionists encountered Dr. Dehan as he left the Shaarei Zedek Hospital in Jerusalem. The Zionist Avraham Tahomi, may his name be obliterated, shot Dehan three times in the chest, and shortly thereafter Dehan expired, returning his soul to heaven. This murder was carried out with the approval of the Zionist leadership.

On that fateful day of July 1, 1924, when the Zionists committed their crime, for which we suffer to this very day and still do not see the end in sight, they shot him in his pure heart. But they did not only shoot him and kill him, but they shot and killed the entire People, thereby preventing any plan that did not comply with their wicked intentions.”

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By Robert, July 16, 2007 at 7:59 pm Link to this comment

When the Zionists Killed Yaakov Yisrael Dehan on July 1, 1924

(From the newsletter of Neturei Karta in Jerusalem – Hachoma)

“The young martyr, Dr. Yaakov Yisrael Dehan was murdered on July 1, 1924. He was a man who devoted all his energies and the best years of his life to saving the remnant of loyal Jews, and to promote peace with the veteran Arab residents of the Holy Land. Through his knowledge of politics and diplomacy, Dehan contributed much to crystallizing an independent position for Orthodox Jewry unaffiliated with the Zionist leadership.
 

At a time when the first followers of the Zionist movement began streaming into the Holy Land in large numbers, defiling the holiness of the land, and by virtue of their idiotic ideas began to work to expel the Arabs who had been living there for centuries in order to establish a Zionist state.

The Zionists first approached the British authorities by pretending to present themselves as the representatives of the Jewish nation, who desired to establish a “national home” without any regard whatsoever of the fact that the vast majority of the Jewish People opposed Zionism in those days. However, through their various contacts, the Zionists managed to bring about the Balfour Declaration (known among our rabbis of the time as the Baal Peor Declaration – a pun referring to the idolatry mentioned in the Bible), based on the “right” of the Jews to establish a state in Palestine, and ultimately the state itself to our great misfortune.

Good relations existed between the Jewish and Arab communities, and the leadership of the Orthodox Jewish community conducted themselves according to the principles of Judaism, never provoking their non-Jewish neighbors. The Arabs were very friendly and neighborly, and a spirit of mutual respect was typical.

When the winds of Zionism began to blow through Palestine, the Arabs began to change their attitude because of the fact that they heard that the “Jews” wanted to grab the Land from them and expel them. Of course, they did not distinguish between the Zionist troublemakers and the members of the loyal authentic Jewish community that advocated tolerance and peace. There were outbreaks of violence here and there, until bloodshed began and many people died.

However, instead of learning from this experience that brought suffering upon the Jewish People in the Holy Land, and ceasing their dangerous lawless behavior, the Zionists used these events as “additional proof” for the need for a state and an army to protect the Jews from violence. Jewish blood was of no importance to the Zionists in comparison to their “lofty” nationalist goals.

It was clear to the leaders of the Orthodox community that there was an immediate need for an organization to confront the Zionist organization, and demand that the British desist from endorsing the idea of a Zionist state, and resolve Arab-Jewish tensions peacefully.”

http://www.nkusa.org/Historical_Documents/YDeHaan.cfm

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#87241 by Inherit The Wind on 7/16 at 9:12 am
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Cyrena:
Why are you writing a book or research paper? It’s clear from all your posts and from the posts of Robert, GodSend, the 1Sgt that the solution to the problems is totally simple:

Eradicate all the Jews (oops—’Zionists’—ha-ha).  See? All your work distilled to one sentence.
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Now I know why they call you the windbag! My friend, you really need to take a Prozac and chill. You are reading way too deep into what people are saying. Maybe even displaying some guilt complexes.

I certainly have not said anything about eradicating the Jews. Nor wiping Israel off the map, or anything the like. I don’t think anyone else has either.

What I am saying is as an American, I am SICK AND TIRED of my country having a foreign policy that is biased towards your mother country, Israel and doing so at the detriment of the United States, to which you say America first.

Israel can take care of themselves, they don’t need US AID, nor them to fight their wars against the arabs for them.

They can attack the Iranians on their own, even nuke them if they wanted to.

I asked you specifically where your allegiance was because people like you have a hard time seeing that what they do is espouse a policy which shits in their own bed.

Now, even a dog knows not to shit where he sleeps.

Please tell me, HONESTLY, who will have been more important when a nuclear device is detonated in the United States by arab terrorists?

The US or Israel?

Or are you thinking NUKES are not their logical next step?

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH ITW….NO MORE.

Get your people in Israel to fix it. Start by treating them as humans instead of animals.

Peace comes with time, if you try.

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I’d just like to make one thing PERFECTLY clear… Someone has been slandering me by posting anti-semitic remarks using my name on this website and elsewhere.

I first discovered this problem while googling my own name. To my horror, I found that sveral posts had been left spouting anti-semitic propaganda.

I AM NOT the individual who left these remarkably insensitive comments here and elsewhere. I have no opinion on 9-11, and I would never, EVER use such a hate-filled phrase as “kike zionists”. If anyone knows who this person is who is trying to destroy my good name, please leave a comment indicating who it is.

Vincenzo Faggio

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Cyrena:
Why are you writing a book or research paper? It’s clear from all your posts and from the posts of Robert, GodSend, the 1Sgt that the solution to the problems is totally simple:

Eradicate all the Jews (oops—‘Zionists’—ha-ha).  See? All your work distilled to one sentence.

Then Israel will be completely Palestinian as it’s supposed to be.  After all, isn’t that one of the 2 reasons Osama Bin Laden attacked us? The other reason was our presence in Saudi Arabia, much of which has been cut back.

Now Osama will KNOW that with a terrorist attack he can FORCE America to do his will.  What will be next? Forcing Turkey or Indonesia to become Islamic Republics? What?

This travesty that most Jews aren’t “Zionist” is another one of the lies perpetrated here. 

Irish-Americans love Ireland and look to Ireland as the home country, though they are Americans first.

Italian-Americans love Italy and look to Italy as the home country, though they are Americans first.

Mexican-Americans love Mexico and look to Mexico as the home country, though they are Americans first.

Norwegian-Americans love Norway and look to Norway as the home country, though they are Americans first.

Sino-Americans love China and look to China as the home country, though they are Americans first.

Japanese-Americans love Japan and look to Japan as the home country, though they are Americans first.

African-Americans love Africa and look to Africa as the home land, though they are Americans first.

German-Americans love Germany and look to Germany as the home country, though they are Americans first.

And so on and so forth.

But when Jewish-Americans love Israel and look to Israel as the home country, though they are Americans first, that’s not good enough.

All of a sudden they are “Zionist” and “traitors” and have “dual loylaties”.  By definition, that dual standard that applies differently to Jews than to other Americans is ANTI-SEMITISM!

So the ultimate “final solution” to the problem hasn’t changed since Hitler.  Eradicate all the Jews in Israel, and all of us who support Israel’s existence around the world.  After all, we Jews have magically and satanically taken control of the USA, the international banking community and the Main Stream Media. I WISH I had that kind of influence over George W. Bush and Richard Cheney.  I’d make them stop making such moronic, dangerous decisions on everything from Global Warming to Iraq and Iran! But you all are Hitler all over again.

All the dancing around, and denials “Oh, we’re not Anti-Semitic” is just trying to find the rhetoric to making a repeat of Nazi genocide socially acceptable.

Like the American Nazis don’t talk about “N*****s”, they talk about “crime and welfare”. They don’t talk about “Jews”, they talk about “International Finance”.  Code words. “Zionists” is the code word for Jews, pretending it’s only a few, mis-guided, not 99.99% of the Jews in the world that it really refers to.

It keeps coming back to that—force Israel to let millions and millions of Palestinians take over the country. Identify and “remove” the loudest and most vocal Zionists.  After all the “Zionists” are satanic demons, so Who Cares? if they are slaughtered.

I can’t believe this is happening in America.  I cannot believe Truthdig.com appears to condone it, either.  But I guess I have to.

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By Robert, July 16, 2007 at 9:19 am Link to this comment

Comment #87173 by Cyrena on 7/15 at 11:51 pm

Cyrena…you are quite welcome. There is nothing more powerful than the TRUTH. We all have to stay active in promoting and conveying the truth. Each one of us has a responsibility to spread the truth in this world. Too many decades have gone by where this truth was deliberately concealed from all of us.

Thanks again for your words of encouragement & best of luck with your paper.

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By Tony Wicher, July 16, 2007 at 8:46 am Link to this comment

Here is an article that sums up the situation pretty well.

Homage to Fear and Fawning

By William A. Cook (*)

Like all patriotic Americans, I spend a portion of each weekend browsing through the “official” web sites of the Presidential candidates preparing myself for the 2008 run off between Republicans and Democrats, Republicrats for short. I now aggregate all of them because all pay homage, indeed a groveling obsequiousness, to AIPAC and to the Olmert/Leiberman regime in Israel. Such fawning is born of fear, as former congressmen Paul Findley, Cynthia McKinney and Earl Hilliard can testify, fear that comes with crossing a powerful force, a force that can threaten the candidate’s standing in the polls. Yossi Beilin, former Labor Party Minister under Ehud Barak recognized this force: “They (AIPAC) have the threat of voting out (congressional) representatives. I never liked this leverage. It’s counterproductive.”

Yet it’s clear that the American Congress’ unrestrained support for the Sharon/Olmert regimes over the past six years, coupled to the Bush administration’s total capitulation to Israel’s dominance in Palestine, has created an untenable situation for America in the eyes of the world. America’s bondage to Israel is the overriding issue that can release America from its position as the target for the world’s hatred, yet all candidates but two grovel before AIPAC and the Olmert/Leiberman regime.

Why is bondage to Israel a concern? Because those who attack America, including Bin Laden, have told Americans that it is a concern; because our 9/11 Commission told us in Without Precedent that the dominant reason given to them for actions against America was our absolute and continued support for Israel; because Maershimer and Walt, in their report on AIPAC influence in our congress, presented to America an inventory of evidence that establishes America’s allegiance to Israel and the consequences of such allegiance; because Haaretz, the leading Israeli newspaper, has admonished Israelis and Americans that the perception in the Arab world and in the EU of America’s total commitment to Israel is unwise and will erupt in a blowback against Israel itself; because virtually every nation in the world understands what Americans cannot seem to digest, that support for a country that has systematically persecuted another people without letup for 60 years, has made America a pariah nation subject to the frustration, anger, and outright hatred of those who condemn the injustice inflicted on the Palestinians.

Why continue such unrestrained bondage to Israel? Why indeed. Why shackle America to a nation that has defied UN resolutions year after year (over 160 UNGA and 60 UNSC) since 1948 that calls for it to act humanely to the Palestinians, to return stolen land to the Palestinians, to recognize international law and the right to return of refugees driven from their homes? Why shackle America to a country that defies international law by occupying the land of other nations and peoples? Why shackle America to a nation that refuses to sign a mid-east nuclear non-proliferation agreement, develops its own arsenal of nuclear bombs (estimated at 200-400), then, with all brazen chutzpah, condemns its neighbor for developing such a weapon? Why shackle America to a nation that cries before the world its right to defend itself when it refuses to negotiate with its neighbors the borders of its own state as it occupies land belonging to others, then condemns the Palestinians for refusing to recognize what it has yet to declare publicly, where Israel begins and ends?

Rest of the article is available at
http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/976

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By cyrena, July 16, 2007 at 12:51 am Link to this comment

Robert, re your very valuable information of several posts.

Having just read through the last few of your posts, (particularly all of the incidents of Zionist terror) I realized there was still a lot I didn’t know about this conflict. (I certainly had not gone as far as investigating ALL of the attacks that were on-going in this alleged “voluntary separation”. (right…voluntary…huh?)

Anyway, thanks for that info. I’m trying to finish up a lengthy paper on this topic, and this info is very helpful.

I will be sure to reference you, (although…Robert the blogger from Truthdig might not go over with my advisor, but I’ll figure something out.)

Thanks again. You’ve made my day.

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By Robert, July 15, 2007 at 9:50 pm Link to this comment

Ernest;

Google search:

“The Consequences of the Partition of Palestine November 28 1947”

Then click on the (Vancouver.Craiglist.org) link

Let me know if you your were able to see real details of the 1947 document.

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By Robert, July 15, 2007 at 3:42 pm Link to this comment

Comment #87066 by Ernest Canning on 7/15 at 9:56 am


“Robert, I could not retrieve the 1947 document, “The Consequences of the Partition of Palestine” on the link you provided.”

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Ernest…the link to the above is blocked. Try to google search the above, and you may have better luck with a different link.

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By cann4ing, July 15, 2007 at 10:56 am Link to this comment

Robert, I could not retrieve the 1947 document, “The Consequeces of the Partition of Palestine” on the link you provided.  The author’s statement that “the resulting conflict will seriously disturb the social, economic and political stability in the Arab world and the U.S. commercial and economic interests will be seriously jeopardized” can be seen as eerily prescient, but I doubt that even the author of “The Consequences” could have foreseen that these consequences would continue to reverberate some 60 years later.

Of course, the dynamics changed considerably in the aftermath of the Six Day War and what is now a 40 year brutal occupation in violation of resolutions passed by this same United Nations whose assistance was vital to the very creation of the state of Israel.

While I know that there are still many who advocate a one-state solution—a solution that would put an end to the effects of the racist policy known as Zionism, replacing it with a just society in which the rights of all citizens of that region, regardless of ethnic or religious affiliation, would be equal and honored—a two state solution would be a realistic alternative, and, in fact, could and would become a workable reality IF the U.S. abandoned its unquestioning support for Zionism and insisted on the creation of a “viable” Palestinian state in which all of the colonial Zionist settlements had been removed, in which Palestinians were given access to the transportion links to the sea and in which both sides entered a mutual agreement to apply the full measure of the law against any who would carry out violent attacks against the other.

Just as ill-advised U.S. policy was critical to the creation of this mess, well-advised U.S. policy would be critical to conflict resolution.

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By Robert, July 15, 2007 at 10:40 am Link to this comment

(Part V- cont’d from previous comment)

“April 9, 1948 , Jerusalem. Irgun and Stern gang terrorists stormed an Arab suburb of Jerusalem, Dir Yashin, killing 250 Arabs, half of them women and children.
 
September 17, 1948 , Jerusalem. Angered by his order to readmit 8,000 Arab refugees driven from three villages near Haifa by attacks of Jewish terrorists, the Stern gang assassinated Count Folke Bernadotte, UN mediator for Palestine. Also killed in the attack was French Col. Andre Serot, chief of France’s 100-man contingent in the unarmed UN truce-observer team.”

http://www.rense.com/general77/truman.htm
 
http://www.tbrnews.org

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By Robert, July 15, 2007 at 10:36 am Link to this comment

(Part IV- from previous comment)
“January 3-10, 1948 , Palestine. Extensive Jewish Agency purchases of US. war surplus high explosives with which to fight Arabs were disclosed in the New York City area. While 191 tons of TNT and the more powerful M-3 were seized before shipment, 73 tons cleared New York for Palestine. The TNT shipment was accidentally discovered when longshore men loading the American Export Lines freighter “Executor” in Jersey City on January 3, dropped a box marked “industrial machinery” and while attempting to repair the box, found cans of TNT bearing US. Army markings. The “machinery” proved to be 32 1/2 tons of TNT, which the US. Customs impounded as contraband because of the ban on American arms shipments to the Middle East On January 10, the FBI was attempting to trace the source of the contraband. The Jewish Agency for Palestine acknowledged on January 10 that it had purchased 199 tons of M-3 from the War Assets Administration at the Army’s Seneca Ordnance Depot near Romulous, New York Federal and state agents recovered 126 tons from a farmhouse and trucks near Asbury Park, New Jersey, and Barclay Heights and Saugerties, New York on January 8-9 but 73 tons were believed to be en route to Palestine. The Jewish Agency called its transaction with the WAA legal, admitted having set up “Foundry Associates, Inc.” in New York with a Haganah agent in charge, to buy explo-sives for their war on the Arabs. The FBI said Leonard Weisman, president of three New York firms (Pratt Steamship Line, Material Redistribution Corporation and Paragon Design and Development Co.) gave the Haganah agent office space but did nothing illegal. WAA stopped all deliveries on unfulfilled orders on January 9 in the New York area. It said Foundry Associates, Inc., had sworn that it was a normal trader in explosives, thereby qualifying to buy the M-3, and that the export question was a US. Department of State matter.
 
January 5, 1948, Jerusalem. 15 Arabs were killed after Haganah bombed the Semiramis Hotel.
 
January 13, 1948 . Washington. The US. War Assets Administration received orders from Army Secretary Kenneth Royal to cancel its sale of 199 tons of M-3 explosive to a purchasing agent of the Jewish Agency, which got 73 tons out of the country before the rest was seized.
 
January 14-15, 1948 , New York The FBI arrested six Newark men on charges of trying to ship Haganah 60,000 pounds of TNT, which was seized in Jersey City after having been bought from the Letterkenny Arsenal Ordnance Depot in Chambersburg, Pennsylvania.
 
February 10, 1948 , Palestine. Jewish terrorist groups murdered ten Arabs near an RAF camp in central Palestine A further 23 Arabs were murdered by Jewish groups throughout Palestine
 
March 5, 1948 , Jerusalem. The Jewish Agency stated that large-scale Jewish arms shipments were ready in various Mediterranean ports destined for the arming of Jewish partisans in Palestine to “fight and drive out” the Arab popu-lation of what the Agency stated “was eternal Jewish land” that could not be occupied by either the British or the Arabs.
 
March 12, 1948 , New York Columnist Drew Pearson said in his “Washington Merry-Go-Round” column that President Harry Truman had given Democratic party leaders the following reason for holding back on enforcement of Palestine partition after having championed this in the UN last year: Russia was after a US. Army-built railroad north from the Persian Gulf, plus all Arab oil regions and the Eastern Mediterranean. On March, Pearson had stated in the same forum that President Truman had told a New York publisher that New York Jews were “disloyal” to the United States.
 
April 9, 1948 , Washington The US. Department of State refused to lift its embargo on arms shipments to the Middle East
 
April 9, 1948 , Jerusalem. Irgun and Stern gang terrorists stormed an Arab suburb of Jerusalem, Dir Yashin, killing 250 Arabs, half of them women and children.”

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By Robert, July 15, 2007 at 10:33 am Link to this comment

(Part III- continued from previous comment)

“September 9, 1947 . Hamburg, Germany. In a bitter three-hour fight aboard the “Runnymede Park,” 350 British troops completed a two-day forced debarkation of 4,300 “Exodus 1947” illegal Jewish refugees from three ships in Hamburg, Germany. First ashore yesterday were the “Ocean Vigour’s"1,406; a few put up token resistance and five passengers sustained minor injuries. Early today, the “Empire Rival’s” 1,420 passengers debarked peaceably after a home made bomb was found in the ship’s hold. Many of the “Runnymede Park’s” 1,485 passengers fiercely resisted the debarkation process and British military units had to use fire hoses and truncheons to rout resisters below decks. The Jews were taken ashore screaming “Nazis” to the British. “Runnymede Park” casualties, officially, were 24 Jews and three Britons injured, with 50 leaders of the resis-tance on that ship taken to jail. German police broke up a Hamburg demonstration by 1,300 Jewish DPs from the Bergen-Belsen camp, where British Foreign Secretary Ernest Bevin was hanged in effigy on September 7. The debarked “Exodus” passengers were interned in Poppendorf camp near Luebeck for screening by nationalities and at first all of them refused to cooperate with British authorities until the passengers were threatened with a diet of bread and water.
 
September 10, 1947 , Washington D.C. Secretary of State George C. Marshall disclosed that the US. had urged Britain to reconsider sending the “Exodus” group to Germany, but Britain replied that there were no facilities for housing them elsewhere because the French did not want them and there were a number of vacant detention camps in Germany.
 
October 13, 1947. Jerusalem. A terrorist bomb damaged the US. consulate general in Jerusalem, injuring two employees slightly. Similar bombings occurred at the Polish consulate general last night and at the Swedish con-sulate on September 27.In Baghdad, the Iraq foreign office advised an American House Foreign Affairs Committee group not to make a projected visit there because of “high feeling” over US. endorsement of partitioning of Palestine. The State Department in Washington announced it will issue no passports to American citizens who want to take part in terrorism in Palestine; Americans so involved will forfeit protection normally due US. citizens abroad.
 
December 30, 1947 , London. The Dollis Hill Synagogue in London was set on fire and 12 sacred scrolls were destroyed by angry British citizens who scrawled on the burned edifice “You whip-we burn.”

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By Robert, July 15, 2007 at 9:25 am Link to this comment

(Part II- continued from previous comment)

“Selections from the official chronology of terrorist activities in Palestine, compiled by the United Nations, under date of October 1, 1948
 
July 22, 1946 , Jerusalem. The west wing of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem which housed British Military Headquarters and other governmental offices was destroyed at 12:57 PM by explosives planted in the cellar by members of the Irgun terrorist gang. By the 26 of July, the casualties were 76 persons killed, 46 injured and 29 still missing in the rubble. The dead included many British, Arabs and Jews.
 
July 31, 1946, Tel Aviv. A large cache of weapons, exten-sive counterfeiting equipment and $1,000,000 in counterfeit Government bonds were discovered in Tel Aviv’s largest synagogue.
 
November 9 through November 13, 1946, Palestine. Nineteen persons, eleven British soldiers and policemen and eight Arab constables, were killed in Palestine during this period as Jewish terrorists, using land mines and suit-case bombs, increased their attacks on railroad stations, trains and even streetcars.
 
March 31, 1947, Haifa. Jewish terrorists dynamited the British-owned Shell-Mex oil tanks in Haifa, starting a fire that destroyed a quarter-mile of the waterfront The damage was set at more than $1,000,000, and the British government in Palestine has stated that the Jewish community will have to pay for it
 
April 25, 1947, Tel Aviv. A Stern gang squad drove a stolen post office truck loaded with explosives into the Sarona police compound and detonated it, killing five British policemen.
 
May 19, 1947, London. The British government protested to the United States government against American fund-raising drives for Palestine terrorist groups. The complaint referred to a “Letter to the Terrorists of Palestine” by playwright Ben Hecht, American League for a Free Palestine co-chairman, first published in the New York ‘Post” on May 15. The ad said, “We are out to raise millions for you.”
 
July 23, 1947, Haifa. Haganah sank the British transport “Empire Lifeguard” in Haifa harbor as it was discharging 300 Jewish immigrants who had officially been admitted to Palestine under quota. Sixty-five immigrants were killed and 40 were wounded. The British were able to refloat the ship.
 
July 26, 1947, Palestine. Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, announced from his secret headquarters that Haganah had planned the King David Hotel bombing in Jerusalem on July 22, 1946 in which 91 persons were killed.
 
August 5, 1947, England. Anti-Semitic outbreaks slackened after five days of rock throwing, window-smashing and other incidents including daubing Jewish businesses with swastikas and numerous assaults on British Jews. These incidents occurred in Liverpool, Manchester, Cardiff (Wales), Leeds, London and Birmingham as retaliation for the murder of two British sergeants in Palestine. Thirty-eight persons were arrested in Liverpool but in the main, the British police ignored the rioters and permitted them to run their course.
 
August 14, 1947, Geneva. The UN Special Subcom-mittee on Palestine returned to Geneva after a seven-day tour of DP camps in Austria and Germany. The tour took the group to Munich, Vienna, Berlin and Hamburg. In Berlin it heard reports August 13 from General Lucius D. Clay, US. Military Governor. Clay testified that anti-Semitism is growing very sharply among the ranks of the US. military units in the US. Zones of Austria and Germany because of the violent, asocial and criminal behavior of the Eastern European DPs, all of whom are Jewish. He recommended that these DPs be allowed to enter Palestine before some incident with American sol-diers, who have been beaten, robbed and killed by Jewish DPs, leads to severe spontaneous reactions on the part of other soldiers. His views were seconded very strongly by Sir Brian Robertson, Deputy British Military Governor.”

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By Robert, July 15, 2007 at 9:22 am Link to this comment

Secret CIA Documents On
Truman & Zionist Terrorism

http://www.foia.cia.gov/browse
Excerpt from the secret CIA assessment submitted to President Truman
7-14-7

“November 28, 1947 on the eve of the UN “vote” and titled “The Consequences of the Partition of Palestine” (Now Declassified document):
 
“Armed hostilities between Jews and Arabs will break out if the UN General Assembly accepts the plan to partition Palestine into Jewish and Arab states….The Jews are expected to be able to mobilize some 200,000 fighters in Palestine.. The Jewish armed groups in Palestine are well equipped and well trained in commando tactics. Initially they will achieve marked success over the Arabs because of superior organization and equipment….The US by supporting partition has already lost much of its prestige in the Near East In the event that partition is imposed on Palestine, the resulting conflict will seriously disturb the social,  economic, and political stability of the Arab world, and US commercial and strategic interests will be dangerously jeopardized. ..The poverty,  unrest, and hopelessness upon which Communist propaganda thrives will increase throughout the Arab world. (and later in the document, p. 6) US prestige on the other hand has steadily decreased with each new indication that the US supports the Zionists. The good will enjoyed by the US at the time of the Roosevelt-Ibn Saud Conference and following backing of Lebanese and Syrian claims for independence was short lived as a result of President Truman’s support of Jewish immigration to Palestine and of the Anglo-American Committee report. Because of the long standing cultural ties between the US and the Arab world, the friendly role that the US played in the achievement of Syrian and Lebanese independence, the partial dependence of certain Arab states on oil royalties from US companies, and the promise of increased royalties in the future, the Arab states would like to maintain friendly relations with the US. ... Little of this (positive) development will be possible, if the US supports a Jewish state in Palestine.”
 
Truman helped establish Israel (actually was the critical element in arm-twisting countries to vote for partition which was contrary to the UN Charter of self determination for native people). Zionist propaganda claimed that this support was because of deeply held beliefs in that cause (Jews were persecuted so need a country of their own). But facts are otherwise.
 
Truman himself admitted in a private cabinet meeting that he is doing it for money and votes. And here is a relevant quote from a senior member of the State Department during the Truman era:
 
“when the election was coming up in 1946 in New York, the group of New York Jews called upon Mr. Truman. [Alan Taylor, op. cit. p.93] Emmanuel Cellar was the head of this committee. Rabbi Steven Wise and several others were in it. They called upon Mr. Truman and said, “We have just been talking with Mr. Thomas Dewey. He is willing to come out and declare for a Jewish state, and we are going to turn our money and urge the Jews to vote for him unless you beat him to it.” Then Emmanuel Cellar pounded upon Mr. Truman’s desk and said, “And if you don’t come out for a Jewish state we’ll run you out of town.” This, I’m sure, is the threat that Mr. Truman refers to in his book, saying, “The extreme Zionists threatened me.” They were Emmanuel Cellar, Rabbi Steven Wise,  etc. These are not the extreme Zionists, these are just the run of the mill Zionists. What Mr. Truman did was to cave in to these threats that they would support Mr. Dewey. In that way he got the Jewish money and the Jewish vote. His decision was not made from the point of view of what was going to result in the Middle East, but what was going on in the United States.”

http://www.rense.com/general77/truman.htm

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#86759 by Inherit The Wind on 7/13 at 6:48 pm
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I’m American, not Israeli.  AMERICAN! My loyalty is first to America, not Israel.  But that doesn’t mean I am willing to see Israel destroyed.
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Again ITW….I am not a Nazi, no need to call me Sgt Schultz or imagine any zig heils. This is your emotions getting the best of you or your programmed responses.

These questions usually touch a nerve with people like you. But you see, I caught you red handed: Look at your statement again.

Your loyalty is “first” to America huh? Is there a choice? Is there a ranking? Who is second? Why should there be a second?

Again, given the choice of survival for the United States or Israel, which do you choose? Here, let’s make it simple…United States way of life and country destroyed or Israel destroyed.

Which is it?

It’s a no-brainer for most people who are US citizens and are born here.

I ask this for a very specific reason.

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Elders of Zionism debate ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, furthering Jewish domination in America, Europe

By: Khalid Amayreh in Occupied East Jerusalem

07/12/07

http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/cgi-bin/blogs/voices.php/2007/07/12/p18263#more18263 

{Zionist leaders from around the world are debating ways and means to effect further ethnic cleansing of Palestinians in the West Bank and East Jerusalem as well as consolidating Jewish influence and domination in the western hemisphere, especially North American and Europe.

Participating in the three-day conference, organized by the Jewish People Policy Planning Institute (JPPPI), are leaders of major Jewish organizations in the United States and Canada as well academics, rabbis and Jewish business tycoons from around the world.

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One paper to be discussed during the conference, entitled “The Jewish People in 2030,” suggests that the world is unlikely to see a significant increase in the number of Jews.

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According to the Israeli media, participants, dubbed as the crème de le crème of the Jewish people, are discussing three main themes: growing western opposition to the Israeli occupation of Palestine, which many delegates viewed as expression of “anti-Semitism,” strengthening Israel’s Jewish identity, an implicit reference to Israeli efforts and plans to check Palestinian demographic growth, and assimilation of Jews in the West.

Speakers have castigated “voices critical of Israel” at the American arena, an apparent reference to a recent study by two prominent American academics which claimed that the American policy in the Middle East was largely determined by Israel and its powerful Jewish lobby and also to the recent publication of a book, carrying the same message, by former President Jimmy Carter.

According to reporters covering the conference (Palestinian reporters are barred from accessing West Jerusalem) , Zionist leaders from North America argued that “a wise but effective approach” ought to be adopted in order to isolate “these non-conformist voices” and forestall the possibility of “snowballing.”

“We should do everything possible to prevent these voices from evolving into a phenomenon, but without appearing as silencing freedom of speech,” Dennis Ross, President Clinton’s former peace envoy to the Middle East reportedly said. Ross is the JPPPI Chairman.
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With regard to “Israel’s shrinking demographic advantage in Palestine,” Zionist leaders reportedly proposed a “set of measures” to check the “worrying trend,” including encouraging higher birth rates among Jews by offering financial and other inducements, exploring ways and means to lower the Arab birth rate especially in Israel proper and encouraging Palestinians to emigrate as well as promulgating laws that would strengthen Israel’s Jewish identity.

Some speakers suggested that economic and financial inducements be channeled exclusively to Jews in Israel through special non-governmental agencies in order to avoid the appearance of adopting discriminatory policies against Israel’s Arab minority. Arabs in Israel constitute nearly a quarter of the country’s population.

The conference was due to debate the contentious issue of anti-Semitism.

Some Zionist leaders, like former Israeli Prime Minister Benyamin Netanyahu, reportedly suggested that Israel and Zionism stood to actually benefit from the anti-Jewish and anti-Israeli atmospheres in Europe and even in North America.

Netanyahu’s argued that anti-Semitism had always been and continued to be “a key reason” behind “the return of Jews to their ancestral land.”}

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Did you note the response from ITW on my very simple question regarding survival of our nation? Seemed like a no brainer to me, but as you can see, there are allegiance problems for people like ITW. He answered the question perfectly to my satisfaction and I expected it. I’ve asked it before and I get the same response from most of them, albeit they normally avoid answering it till the end. It’s pretty simple to me. If given the choice of survival as a nation I would chose my country, the United States.

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[B]YOU ARE A FUCKING LIAR SGT SCHULTZ! YOU KNOW DAMN WELL I ANSWERED THE QUESTION SIMPLY AND CLEARLY.  HOW DARE YOU IMPLY I AM A TRAITOR TO MY COUNTRY, MY AMERICA, WHEN YOU KNOW IT IS A LIE. THAT IS SLANDER BORDERING ON LIBEL!!!!  YOU CAN JUST KISS MY JEWISH ASS, YOU BIGOTED PIECE OF SHIT!

I’VE SAID BEFORE YOU ARE REALLY A NAZI AT HEART. NOW YOUR LYING HOLE PROVES IT! DON’T FORGET TO SIGN YOUR POSTS ‘SIEG HEIL’, ADOLPH![/B]

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#86592 by the 1Sgt on 7/13 at 6:58 am

1Sgt,

Thanks for sharing your Saudia Arabia experience. I actually DO like collecting this kind of information. (an academic pursuit).
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Hello Cyrena, you are most welcome. I have many other stories to tell about that place. I think you are right on target about that special relationship the bushies have with the royal family. The one that is really interesting is Prince Bandar’s coaching of the president to run prior to the 2000 race. Bush the father asked the prince to fly out to Texas to give his own son some counsel. HUM….

Now this poses some other interesting thoughts. The bushies VALUE what the royal family says? Does the prince give the arab point of view in the arab-israeli conflict? Was the POV valued? Does it matter at all? Was the prince called on to give his opinion on attacking Iraq? Would the occupation issues have been discussed? Soooo many questions…

As to your burka comment with the Lt Col refusing to wear…The US women I know who went on trips had zero problem wearing it. Actually everyone involved thought it was hilarious! We even took pictures of how ridiculous we looked. You can imagine we saw it as a “costume” for a Halloween party. The guys would joke/tease he women about having to “sit in the back seat” (women are not allowed to drive).

Did you note the response from ITW on my very simple question regarding survival of our nation? Seemed like a no brainer to me, but as you can see, there are allegiance problems for people like ITW. He answered the question perfectly to my satisfaction and I expected it. I’ve asked it before and I get the same response from most of them, albeit they normally avoid answering it till the end. It’s pretty simple to me. If given the choice of survival as a nation I would chose my country, the United States.

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#86592 by the 1Sgt on 7/13 at 6:58 am

1Sgt,

Thanks for sharing your Saudia Arabia experience. I actually DO like collecting this kind of information. (an academic pursuit). And, I’ve heard from many others, about the “ways” of Saudi Arabia. There are also several new books out, and one in particular that I found fascinating, which is “America’s Kingdom: Mythmaking on the Saudi Oil Frontier”, by Robert Vitalis. It provides the entire sordid history, of the developement of US relations with the Saudis, including the documented evidence that the US, in the form of the same Oilarchy that runs the government now, has been nearly 100% responsible for the Saudi State, as well as all of those Kings and Princes who reside there.

Anyway, your reports are similar to others that I’ve read and/or spoken to. I’ve never been there myself, because of the very reasons you’ve mentioned…it’s not a place where an ordinary person “visits”, and it’s not welcoming to many. (Prof Vitalis had to “sneak in” to get the material for his book). So no, we wouldn’t be “allowed” in. But for military, (such as you) as well as for the many CONTRACTORS, that have done time in the place, I hear all similar tales.

I remember reading of a huge controversy some years ago, for a female Air Force pilot who was being harrassed about wearing the Veil. Why in God or Allah’s name, should she - Western military personnel- have to comply with such traditions? In theory, it’s a reasonable question, and in reality, it comes back to the same answer for the problem to begin with, which is that we are somewhere else, where the traditions, and culture, and yes….even most of the people, are rigid and backward. (not all, but most) So, that’s definitely part of it. If we weren’t there, and didn’t HAVE this “military presence”, we wouldn’t run into this hostility. I know it sounds simplistic, but that really is the bottom line.

Most important though, is the very DIFFERENT treatment that the Bush family gets from the Saudis, as well as all of the extended family members, like Cheney, and a few others. They are ALWAYS well treated by the Saudi Royals, and that’s the reason that you guys get the treatment that you do. Until 30 or so years ago, the Saudis were still living the same way they’d been living for at least 1000 years. They still haven’t made the transfer, and the world that the Carlyle Group helped sponser for them, is in no doubt part of the reason why their extravagent ways came about. I even remember back to the days when they were just coming into all of their wealth, thanks largely to the same thugs that are in power now.

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(Part VII- Continued from previous comment)

USS Liberty Israeli Denial-Israeli Pilot Speaks Up

“A few days ago came the latest Israeli attempt to deny that allegations that the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty during the Seven Days War in 1967 was a cold blooded murder designed to trigger a US attack on Egypt.

The Israeli story has always been that they mistook a modern US surveillance ship flying then US flag for an Egyptian boat, not once but in multiple attacks. This excuse is not credible, as the recent BBC documentary showed. The film screened by BBC 2 in June 2003 had a US radio intercept officer recounting on camera that he heard the Israeli pilots twice warn their base that the ship was American.

They had a US commander state that US planes were on their way to Cairo in retaliation with a nuclear payload, and that, as the news unexpectedly leaked out that the ship had been destroyed by Israel, Johnson and McNamara had to personally abort the operation. It was even suggested that the White House had planned the operation with Israel, sending the ship undefended a few miles off the Gaza coastline. Now this version is confirmed from the following leak from the Israeli side. Ian Henshall, publisher http://www.911dossier.co.uk, http://www.dumpblair.co.uk

Israeli Pilot Speaks Up

http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/0693/9306019.htm

Fifteen years after the attack, an Israeli pilot approached Liberty survivors and then held extensive interviews with former Congressman Paul N. (Pete) McCloskey about his role. According to this senior Israeli lead pilot, he recognized the Liberty as American immediately, so informed his headquarters, and was told to ignore the American flag and continue his attack. He refused to do so and returned to base, where he was arrested.

Later, a dual-citizen Israeli major told survivors that he was in an Israeli war room where he heard that pilot’s radio report. The attacking pilots and everyone in the Israeli war room knew that they were attacking an American ship, the major said. He recanted the statement only after he received threatening phone calls from Israel.

The pilot’s protests also were heard by radio monitors in the U.S. Embassy in Lebanon. Then-U.S. Ambassador to Lebanon Dwight Porter has confirmed this. Porter told his story to syndicated columnists Rowland Evans and Robert Novak and offered to submit to further questioning by authorities. Unfortunately, no one in the U.S. government has any interest in hearing these first-person accounts of Israeli treachery.

Key members of the Lyndon Johnson administration have long agreed that this attack was no accident. Perhaps most outspoken is former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Thomas Moorer. “I can never accept the claim that this was a mistaken attack, ” he insists. Former Secretary of State Dean Rusk is equally outspoken, calling the attack deliberate in press and radio interviews. Similarly strong language comes from top leaders of the Central Intelligence Agency, National Security Agency (some of whose personnel were among the victims), National Security Council, and from presidential advisers such as Clark Clifford, Joseph Califano and Lucius Battle.

A top-secret analysis of Israel’s excuse conducted by the Department of State found Israel’s story to be untrue. Yet Israel and its defenders continue to stand by their claim that the attack was a “tragic accident” in which Israel mistook the most modern electronic surveillance vessel in the world for a rusted-out 40-year-old Egyptian horse transport. Despite the evidence, no U.S. administration has never found the courage to defy the Israeli lobby by publicly demanding a proper accounting from Israel.”

http://www.rense.com/general39/pilot.htm
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THE ATTACK ON THE USS LIBERTY SHIP WAS NO ACCIDENT. IT WAS A DELIBERATE AND DECEPTIVE WAR CRIME ATTACK/TACTIC SO MAY BE THE EGYPTIANS(THE ARABS) WILL GET BLAMED FOR IT!

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By Robert, July 13, 2007 at 11:07 pm Link to this comment

(Part VI- continued from previous comment)

Other ridiculous claims:

* “Civilian `spies’ of the National Security Agency (NSA)” had wrested control of i.e. hijacked the Liberty from the U.S. military and the Joint Chiefs of Staff; “Commander McGonagle [Liberty’s skipper] did not know it at the time, but the real masters of his ship were the civilian spies of the NSA.” That U.S. ELINT ships’ collection assignments were drawn up at NSA is well known; it is not the big secret that the authors make it. They state that only an individual known as an NSA “Major” and two others “had access to the supersensitive communications areas” on the ship, where in reality well over 100 men worked. The individual they refer to was Allan Blue, a 23yearold Arabic linguist, who was killed. Blue was a GS7 a relatively low level civilian NSA employee, not a “major”; and NSA certainly does not confer military rank.

* “The Israelis tried to jam the ship’s frequencies, to no effect. The Liberty’s equipment was much too sophisticated to be stopped in that fashion.” Anyone who wants to believe this statement should ask the American radiomen who were desperately trying to find an open frequency with which to alerttheir potential rescuers, while their comrades were falling dead around them.

* Liberty “was there to spy on the Jews. That was its only mission.” Had this been the case, Hebrew linguists would have been aboard; there were none. There were at least four Russian and three Arabic linguists aboard, however; that indicates the ship’s intelligence targeting. Additionally, Ennes has recently disclosed that a special tasking of the ship, apart from gathering all the information on every party it could, was to determine if TU95 “BEAR” Bombers of the Egyptian Air Force were controlled and flown by Soviets. Ennes also says that “at least two men recall that their orders were to concentrate on Soviet intercepts and to ignore any Israeli signals they happened to hear. The order was `Note the signal and, if it is Israeli, drop it.’”

Loftus and Aarons’s other falsities concerning the Liberty incident let alone those included in the rest of their work are far too numerous to mention here. They continually cite unidentified sources “confidential interviews” of “former CIA officer[s]” and “former NSA employee[s],” etc; thus they are free to invent whatever suits them. Yet Rodman says this work “deserves to be taken seriously.” They allege “a massive espionage campaign against Jewry and Israel by western intelligence agencies,” and claim that these agencies “aided Arab armies during the many Arab Israeli wars.” Rodman terms this work “an important subject that has thus far not received its due.”

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By Robert, July 13, 2007 at 11:02 pm Link to this comment

(Part V- continued from previous comment”

*Finally, there is evidence, circumstantial but clear, of a relationship between the attack on the Liberty and a postponement of Israel’s planned attack on the Golan Heights. The Golan attack was scheduled for 11:30 a.m. on 8 June; the Liberty was spotted by 6 a.m. or earlier; last minute orders delayed the Golan attack; the Liberty was put out of commission; and the Golan attack occurred shortly thereafter. The vaunted IDF made very few mistakes in that war.

After the attack Secretary of State Dean Rusk recommended a strong response, and Presidential Counselor Clark Clifford advised President Johnson to treat Israel in the same manner as the U.S. would treat the Soviets or the Arabs if they had committed the atrocity. The U.S. would certainly not have taken this insult in silence had the offender been any country but Israel. But President Johnson stoically accepted Israel’s explanation. The Navy conducted a Court of Inquiry, which ignored and even suppressed testimony that the attack had been deliberate; it dealt only with the actions and performance of the Liberty crew. State Department legal adviser Carl Salans performed an assessment of Israel’s official explanation; with only the Navy’s highly incomplete and erroneous preliminary investigation to go on, he thoroughly discredited the Israeli Government’s claims of innocent error. The logical next step was to confront the Israelis with his findings, but that was not done. The U.S. Government’s inaction was completely out of keeping with the outrageousness of the attack.

What was Israel’s motive for this act? The scheduling of the Israeli assault on the Golan Heights for 8 June was a move to defeat an intense effort in the United Nations to halt the war, a ceasefire having been scheduled for 9 June. Such pressure was also being applied by the U.S. Government. The IDF leaders were under pressure to acquire the Golan before the ceasefire was imposed, preferably without being labeled the aggressor (as in 1956 when Israel had colluded with Britain and France to attack Egypt). But with all the pressure to attack Syria, and after all the hurried preparations to do so, the Golan attack was suddenly called off within hours of its scheduled commencement. Why? Obviously, someone in the IDF leadership feared the Liberty might intercept some of the many signals then filling the air that would expose Israel’s preparations for invasion. They might then be forced into a ceasefire before they conquered the coveted territory.

THE LOFTUS AND AARONS BOOK

Loftus and Aarons’s book, the subject of Rodman’s critique, is a collection of preposterous and demonstrably false theories and allegations. With regard to the Liberty attack, the only significant detail they get right is that it was deliberate, but they actually make the ludicrous statement that Israel’s attack was justified because “the Liberty was gathering electronic information on Israeli troop movements and sending it to British intelligence, which in turn relayed it to the Arabs.” Not only does this statement lack any genuine authentication, it also betrays a conspiracy mindedness that makes all their other concoctions suspicious. Another claim born of this same free ranging inventiveness is that “U.S. intelligence attempted to curry favor with the Arab oil producers by giving the precise details of Israel’s order of battle to the Arabs during the war.”

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By Robert, July 13, 2007 at 10:57 pm Link to this comment

(Part IV-continued from previous comment- *Note the US Ambassador to Lebanon, Dwight Porter, in 1991 revealed the existence of intercept)

MORE EVIDENCE Of GUILT

“In addition to the above mentioned circumstances which show that Israel’s attack was deliberate the lengthy and careful surveillance, the radio jamming, etc. numerous other details belie Israel’s professed innocence. They include: * The Israelis initially claimed they had “mistaken” the Liberty for the Egyptian ship El Quseir. But the El Quseir was only 40 percent the size of Liberty (4000 vs. 10,400 tons). The El Quseir was an old, rusted out horse transport that bore about as much resemblance to the Liberty as a rusty VW does to a new Cadillac. The Liberty was arrayed with numerous specialized antennas, and an ultramodern (for 1967) 16foot microwave dish, a device possessed by no other ship in the world except her sister ship Belmont. She bore standard U.S. Navy markings, which included a freshly painted 10foothigh hull number, and Liberty on the stern.

* The radio jamming is by itself damning evidence that the assailants knew exactly whom they were attacking. Such jamming requires intimate advance knowledge of the target being jammed, obtained by extended monitoring of its signals. And this was selective jamming; it struck Liberty’s frequencies and no others.

Afterward, in one of their ever changing explanations, the Israelis claimed to have learned the ship’s identity when they heard its distress signals. But the attack continued for sixty six minutes after the first distress signal, which the Israelis had jammed, was sent. Had this particular Israeli claim been true, they would have recalled the torpedo boats before they even reached the ship.

* The Israelis claimed that the ship’s U.S. flag hung limp because there was no wind. Later, when presented with the fact that the flag had been perfectly visible, they claimed that they thought that the ship was an enemy vessel flying false colors. The extended radio monitoring, exposing considerable advance investigation of Liberty’s communication facilities, refutes this claim.

* The Israelis claimed that the torpedo boats, after first sighting the ship, had called in the aircraft to attack after the ship refused to identify itself. This is an obvious lie, because the attack was clearly a preplanned and well coordinated onetwo punch employing different branches of the Israeli Defense Forces. The jets were already intent on attacking the ship before the Liberty came into the torpedo boats’ radar range. Directly contradicting themselves, the Israelis later claimed that their aircraft had called in the torpedo boats.

* The Israelis eventually admitted that before the attack, their commanders had compared reconnaissance photos of the Liberty with Jane’s Fighting Ships. But they claimed that before the attack they twice telephoned the U.S. naval attache in Tel Aviv inquiring whether the Liberty was a U.S. ship and were told that there were no U.S. Navy ships in the area. They claimed that having received a negative reply, they decided that the ship had to be the El Quseir. However, the U.S. embassy in Tel Aviv, and later the naval attache, emphatically stated that no such inquiries were made. The Israelis not only knew the ship’s nationality and that she was an “ELINT” ship; they also knew she was the Liberty herself.

* Immediately preceding the attack, an Israeli pilot recognized Liberty as a U.S. ship and radioed this information to IDF headquarters. He was instructed to attack anyway. This dialogue was intercepted at the U.S. embassy in Beirut. Former U.S. Ambassador to Lebanon Dwight Porter revealed the existence of this intercept in 1991.”

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By Robert, July 13, 2007 at 10:45 pm Link to this comment

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SCANNING THE SKIES

“The U.S. Government had posted the Liberty off the coast of Gaza, in international waters, to monitor developments in the region during the Six day War. (The Liberty’s mission will be discussed in detail below.) At dawn 8 June, Israeli aircraft began reconnoitering the ship, some flying so close that the pilots could clearly be seen, and as low as masthead height, obviously photographing it. This extensive observation lasted seven hours and involved eight separate observations, at about 0600, 0900, 1000, 1030, 1100, and 1130, 1200 and 1215 p.m. U.S. intercept stations twice overheard Israeli pilots reporting that the ship was American. The visibility conditions were perfect; the ship’s American flag was flying free and clear in a good breeze.

At 1400 a well coordinated attack by jet aircraft and torpedo boats began. Jets hammered the virtually unarmed ship with cannon and rockets, and napalmed it. Its forward machine guns were wiped out in the first firing pass, and whatever transmitting antennas survived that pass were disabled by the second. Nine minutes into the attack, crewmen jury rigged a transmitter to an antenna. But the radiomen discovered that four out of five of the ship’s radio frequencies, including the international distress frequency, were being jammed. Ironically, the only time Liberty could transmit was while the jets were firing their missiles. A frantic cry for help was sent to the Sixth Fleet, only 400 miles away and off Crete; despite the Israeli jamming, the Liberty’s plea for assistance was received. The patchwork transmitting arrangement ceased functioning soon afterward.

Torpedo boats soon arrived and continued the attack, firing five torpedoes, with one hitting and killing 25 men. They then leisurely circled the defenseless ship for 40 minutes, pumping hundreds of 40mm, 20mm, and 50cal. rounds at wounded men on deck, stretcher bearers and fire fighters. Thinking the ship was about to sink, the crew threw life rafts over the side; the attackers machine gunned those too. With increased radio activity from the U.S. Sixth Fleet indicating an impending U.S. response (many of the Fleet’s messages bore “Flash” precedence), the Israelis suddenly contacted the U.S. embassy and informed it of this “accident.” It was probably the longest “accidental” attack in the history of naval warfare an hour and 15 minutes.

Two separate flights of jets from the carriers America and Saratoga were recalled by Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara, the first flight probably because Washington was not absolutely certain of the attackers’ identity and was leery of starting a war with the Russians if they were the guilty party. The second flight was recalled after receipt of the Israeli explanation.”

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“The Israelis maintain this was simply a case of mistaken identity, but this clearly does not hold water,” said Moorer, who was chief of naval operations at the time of the attack. “In clear visibility, this unique ship was very easy to identify.

“The Israeli forces circled the ship and then proceeded to attack over an extended period of time. There is Simply no way the fighter pilots and torpedo boat crews could have come to such a conclusion,” he said.

Moorer, a former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, joined a dozen surviving crew members of the USS Liberty at a seminar during the annual convention of the AmericanArab AntiDiscrimination Committee in Washington.

He suggested the incident was a deliberate attack to prevent the Liberty from picking up signals that could have forewarned the United States of an Israeli military push into Syria the next day.

“Based on the way this tragedy was handled, both in the United States and Israel, one must conclude there is much information that has not been made available to the public,” Moorer said.

The U.S. 6th Fleet, positioned nearby, received a distress call from the Liberty, and one carrier dispatched a squadron to search for the disabled ship. Before the ship was found, the fleet received orders from Washington ordering the planes back. Moorer called on Congress to, once and for all clear up the uncertainties, speculation and unanswered questions surrounding this tragedy, which is still thought by many to be a deliberate coverup on the part of the government of Israel as well as the government of the United States.

The following appeared in the Fall, 1995 (Vol 8, No 3) Issue of the International Journal of Intelligence and Counterintelligence

The Attack on the Liberty: an “Accident”? by Reverdy S. Fishel

Although David Rodman’s review of The Secret War Against the Jews: How Western Espionage Betrayed the Jewish People, by John Loftus and Mark Aarons, notes some of the serious flaws in that work, his critique contains its own serious flaw that should gall anyone who knows a few basic, uncomplicated facts about Israel’s 8 June 1967 attack on the electronic intelligence ship U.S.S. Liberty.

All serious scholarship on the subject accepts Israel’s assault as having been perpetrated quite deliberately, but Rodman says that the “most credible” explanation of the attack is that it was an “accident.” To see so flagrant a misstatement in IJIC, considering its standards of factuality, is startling. Assault on the Liberty (1980), by James Ennes, a lieutenant who was on the bridge during the attack, was a very big seller; so the facts of the case need not be out of anyone’s reach. In fact, Israel’s attack on the Liberty was as accidental as Japan’s attack on Pearl Harbor.”

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By Robert, July 13, 2007 at 10:37 pm Link to this comment

USS Liberty - Israeli
Pilot Speaks Up

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“We had been surveilled all morning and part of the afternoon by Israeli forces. They knew who we were. We heard them reporting over radio who we were and how we were sailing and where we were sailing. They saw the flag and everything else. We were in international waters.”


1. Adlai Stevenson supported USS Liberty 2. USS LIBERTY in Ha’aretz 3. USS Liberty Israeli denial; Israeli Pilot Speaks Up

(1) Adlai Stevenson supported USS Liberty

From: .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003

http://ussliberty.org/

Adlai Stevenson supported USS Liberty

Senator Adlai Stevenson III in 1980, his last year as a United States Senator from Illinois, invited Jim Ennes to his Senate office for a private, two hour meeting to discuss the USS Liberty attack and coverup. Following the private meeting, Ennes was invited back the next day to discuss the attack with members of Stevenson’s staff, along with members of the staff of Senator Barry Goldwater and members of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence.

In that meeting, staff members told Ennes that they found his story convincing, but that they would recommend to both senators that they not pursue an investigation because an investigation would only antagonize Israeli interests while “nothing good could come of it.” Goldwater accepted that staff recommendation. Stevenson did not. Instead, Stevenson called a news conference in which he announced that he was convinced that the attack was deliberate and that the survivors deserved an investigation. He would, he said, spend the remaining few weeks of his Senate term attempting to arrange for an inquiry.

Almost immediately, the government of Israel contacted the White House and offered to settle the outstanding $40million damage claims for $6million an amount equal to one dollar for each Jewish victim of the Holocaust. Vice President Walter Mondale quickly agreed to that offer just before Christmas while Congress and President Carter were on vacation. The Department of State followed immediately with a press release, reported on the front page of the New York Times, which announced, “The book is now closed on the USS Liberty.”

Indeed, from that point on, it was impossible to generate any congressional interest in the Liberty at all. Senator Stevenson’s staff told me later that they felt the settlement was directly related to Senator Stevenson’s announced plan to hold an inquiry, and was engineered to block forever any inquiry plans. Israel did subsequently pay $6million in three annual installments of $2million each. Secretary of State Dean Rusk said later that he considered the payments meaningless, as Congress merely increased the annual Israeli allotment by that amount.

Adlai Stevenson later ran for Governor of Illinois. He was strongly opposed by Israeli and Jewish interests. He lost. Many feel it was his support for the Liberty that cost him the election. Many also feel it was Stevenson’s experience with the Liberty that has intimidated other Members of Congress who might otherwise support the survivors.

Cover Up Claimed In Attack ExAdmiral Questions Facts of Liberty Raid

WASHINGTON (AP) Retired Adm. Thomas Moorer accused the U.S. and Israeli governments yesterday of covering up evidence surrounding the 1967 Israeli attack on the American intelligence ship USS Liberty.

Thirtyfour American crewmen were killed and 171 wounded in the combined air and sea attack June 8, 1967, against the reconnaissance ship, cruising in international waters 15 miles off the Sinai Peninsula during the SixDay War.

Israel maintains its fighter pilots, who buzzed the ship for eight hours before the attack, and torpedo boat crews, mistook the Liberty for an Egyptian ship.”

http://www.rense.com/general39/pilot.htm


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“I am not a dual national and have never been to Israel.”
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Given the choice ITW, between the survival of the United States or the survival of Israel, which do you chose?

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How about this? Supposing the Bushites started gaining power and influence again and like Hitler, completed converted our democracy into a totalitarian dictatorship?

Meanwhile, supposing Israelis, marginalized the religious fanatics, made their country more democratic and made a lasting peace with their neighbors?

Supposing that Bushite dictatorship decided it wanted to conquer the world and was willing to use thermo-nuclear weapons to do it? (given their actions the last 6 years it’s not as far-fetched as it ought to be).

Where THEN would YOUR loyalties lie the 1Sgt?  Would YOU say “My country, right or wrong” or would you do what many righteous Germans, Italians and other Europeans did: Resist, flee, and resist from abroad?  Many Germans left and joined the resistance AGAINST Germany. Can you imagine how hard it was for Marlene Dietrich to lead bond drives against her Fatherland?  But she did.

So where would YOU stand, while we are dealing in hypotheticals?

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“I am not a dual national and have never been to Israel.”
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Given the choice ITW, between the survival of the United States or the survival of Israel, which do you chose?

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I HATE stupid questions like this which is about that same as: “Who would you rather see tortured to death, your grown son with children, or your teenage daughter?”

William Styron wrote about such a hideous choice: It became a movie too: “Sophie’s Choice”.

If I had to choose between my wife’s life and one of my kids’ life, I’d choose my kid, and hate every second of it. She would make the same choice, and I would want her too. And she’d hate it just as much.  I hope you can say the same.

I’m American, not Israeli.  AMERICAN! My loyalty is first to America, not Israel.  But that doesn’t mean I am willing to see Israel destroyed. Then again, I’m not willing to see England or Canada destroyed either.  Survival? We are a LONG way from it being us or Israel.

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GodSend on 7/13 at 1:56 pm
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Windbag, this is the last post I’ll address to you:

Not only are you a Windbag and full of hot air, mixed with tons of BS and deception, you are a foul-mouthed, hatred-filled and irrational Sicko in the worst agnostic/atheist Zionist/Neocon tradition, who is a DISGRACE to Judaism and humanity! If you’re not a Zionist (Satanist), you are most probably insane (maybe both). I don’t think any Jew in their right mind would claim you for Jewry! What people like you deserve from a just God is too horrible to contemplate BUT, as I said before, all things are possible with God. Salvaging you will be akin to a camel passing through the eye of a needle.

For God’s sake, get psychological counseling before they come and put you in the cuckoo’s nest.

Thanks! In GodSend’s book it’s a greater sin to be a rational man who refuses to buckle to lies, contradictions and superstions than to be:

1) A preacher who is a cheating husband who goes to a male prostitute and uses him to buy drugs, then claims he’s “cured” of homosexuality (like it was a disease).
2) A tele-preacher who is a cheating husband, and a thief robbing his parishnors.
3) A Catholic priest who for YEARS manipulates underage children to force them to have oral and anal sex with him, or the priests who knowing he’s a child rapist, protect him.
4) A congressman who tries to seduce teenage boys to have sex with him while claiming to be “Christian” and voting against Gay marriage.

I. You shall have no other gods but me. Since I don’t worship ANY god, I follow this one, easily.
II. You shall not make unto you any graven images. Not a problem.  I don’t worship idols or chandeliers, er, crystals, not do I create such nonsense.
III. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain. This one I probably fall down on a little, saying “Goddamit” at times.
IV. You shall remember the Sabbath and keep it Holy.I DO try to take a day of rest and celebrate my family—it’s probably a bit loose for a purist.
V. Honor your mother and father.Absolutely. My father was the bravest man I knew, facing death with grace and humor.  My mom is a treasure and together they could face ANYTHING.  I took care of them and still take care of her, with pleasure.
VI. You shall not murder. Haven’t killed anyone since breakfast—or ever.
VII. You shall not commit adultery.NEVER! When you cheat on your mate you hurt her/him, and you cheat on your children as well, and hurt them even more. 20 years of marriage and just getting started..
VIII. You shall not steal. I know people do. I’ve never understood how or why, because the price of themselves is far greater than anything they could buy. If I haven’t earned it, and haven’t been given it by someone I love, I don’t want it.
IX. You shall not bear false witness. There’s very little as evil as knowingly blaming someone for a crime you KNOW they didn’t commit. Like GodSend blaming me for worshipping Satan, whom I believe in even less than a God.
X. You shall not covet anything that belongs to your neighbor. NEVER! That’s simply PLANNING to steal.

So, I guess that makes me one HELL of a sinner, eh GodSend?

Your rant shows EVERYTHING I HATE about religion. You have NONE of the kindness and empathy I respect from those who, though I disagree with them, take their faith as something that drives them to make the world a better, happier place.

Since you aren’t going to respond to me, I guess I’m getting the last word here.

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By GodSend, July 13, 2007 at 3:19 pm Link to this comment

500 posts for any topic are probably sufficient. No sense beating a dead horse (or more).

Hasta la vista, babby…....! (elsewhere)

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By the 1Sgt, July 13, 2007 at 3:08 pm Link to this comment

“I am not a dual national and have never been to Israel.”
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Given the choice ITW, between the survival of the United States or the survival of Israel, which do you chose?

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By GodSend, July 13, 2007 at 2:56 pm Link to this comment

Windbag, this is the last post I’ll address to you:

Not only are you a Windbag and full of hot air, mixed with tons of BS and deception, you are a foul-mouthed, hatred-filled and irrational Sicko in the worst agnostic/atheist Zionist/Neocon tradition, who is a DISGRACE to Judaism and humanity! If you’re not a Zionist (Satanist), you are most probably insane (maybe both). I don’t think any Jew in their right mind would claim you for Jewry! What people like you deserve from a just God is too horrible to contemplate BUT, as I said before, all things are possible with God. Salvaging you will be akin to a camel passing through the eye of a needle.

For God’s sake, get psychological counseling before they come and put you in the cuckoo’s nest.

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By Inherit The Wind, July 13, 2007 at 12:31 pm Link to this comment
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I am deeply saddened that you are saddened by what you know is the truth. I’m sorry that it hurts you but this is what it is. You don’t like what you hear so you resort to name calling. My name is not sgt Shultz, and I am no Nazi, far from it. I am an American, not a dual national like you and I am sick and tired of my country being used by Israel.

A) It’s not the truth. It’s wild speculation based on absurd mis-interpretations of a few correct facts and a lot of pure lies.

b) I am not a dual national and have never been to Israel.  I have NO idea why you and that lunatic got the idea I was.

c) Our nation is not being used by Israel. Jews have no magical “demonic” power despite that lunatic’s assertions to the contrary.  Israel is a little country with 5.5 million people. America is the most powerful country in the history of the world with 300 million people and enough armaments to, like Jupiter, fight off all the other nations simultaneously.  Just the reverse: The US is using Israel and always has been.  It’s been good for Israel to be used by the US so it continues.

d) Sorry. Sgt. Schultz was actually FUNNY and occasionally showed good sense.  I wronged that character.


Do you REALLY believe what you say when you think it ridiculous WE would postulate Israel KNEW about 9/11 and may have had a hand in the OP when there is a KNOWN history of Israel SPYING on the United States…when there is a KNOWN HISTORY of Israel conducting false flag operations?

Yes. It’s ridiculous. It’s beyond ridiculous and would represent disassociative schizophrenia.  Spying and small operations are one thing. Staging a major act of war against your BEST ally simply doesn’t add up in the risk/gain department.  Mossad is not run by morons and ONLY a moron (or a Bushite—but that’s redundant) would take SUCH a huge risk for such a minimal gain. War on Iraq? Only the morons in the WH would EVER have made that connection.

When there is a history of Israel KILLING US citizens (USS LIBERTY).

Oh, come ON!  That was a screw-up, plain and simple, like our shooting down an Iranian passenger liner and China doing the same thing with a Korean plane.  Screw-ups happen, and when it’s war, they are deadly.  Making a mountain out of a molehill.

When Israel uses it’s dual nationals to infiltrate the US government (Feith, Perle, Lieberman, Bernanke),

Where the HELL did you get the idea these are dual nationals—some other “We Hate Israel” website?


not to mention the list of Jewish Americans in politics:

This is too ghoulish to repeat.  Now you are making LISTS of ELECTED Jews in the government? Why, so you can plan on arresting them or making targets of them?  Joe McCarthy made lists too. So did Nixon.  So did the Nazis.

You don’t want them in government? VOTE THEM OUT!!!!!
Over-represented???? What the FUCK does that mean? White Males make up less than 50% of the population but they make up, what, 80-90% of Congress? Where’s your OUTRAGE for that????

And, no matter what that liar GodSend spews out, his hatred and threats for Zionists is hatred and threats against ALL Jews. He gets more bellicose and irrational with each post.

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By the 1Sgt, July 13, 2007 at 11:36 am Link to this comment

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I am deeply saddened by the blatant anti-semitism here.  BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA Truthdig—you should move this thread over to the Aryan Nation, or the American Nazi Party—they would agree whole-heartedly with all these advocates of a new purge of Jews from the world. BLA BLA BLA BLA Being of Jewish descent I see in you all the New Nazi Movement, and I am frightened for my family and my children that people in America can be SO driven by hatred and SO eager to accept false “facts” just to blame Jews yet again, as has happened SO many times down the centuries.
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I am deeply saddened that you are saddened by what you know is the truth. I’m sorry that it hurts you but this is what it is. You don’t like what you hear so you resort to name calling. My name is not sgt Shultz, and I am no Nazi, far from it. I am an American, not a dual national like you and I am sick and tired of my country being used by Israel.

Do you REALLY believe what you say when you think it ridiculous WE would postulate Israel KNEW about 9/11 and may have had a hand in the OP when there is a KNOWN history of Israel SPYING on the United States…when there is a KNOWN HISTORY of Israel conducting false flag operations? When there is a history of Israel KILLING US citizens (USS LIBERTY). When Israel uses it’s dual nationals to infiltrate the US government (Feith, Perle, Lieberman, Bernanke), not to mention the list of Jewish Americans in politics:

US House of Representatives

Henry Waxman[2]  CA-30
Barney Frank[3] Democrat MA-04
Tom Lantos[4] Democrat CA-12
Gary Ackerman[5] Democrat NY-05
Howard Berman[6] Democrat CA-28
Sander M. Levin[7] Democrat MI-12
Eliot L. Engel[8] Democrat NY-17
Nita Lowey[9] Democrat NY-18
Bob Filner[10] Democrat CA-51
Jane Harman[11] Democrat CA-36
Jerrold Nadler[12] Democrat NY-08
Steve Rothman[13] Democrat NJ-09
Robert Wexler[14] Democrat FL-19
Shelley Berkley[15] Democrat NV-01
Jan Schakowsky[16] Democrat IL-09
Brad Sherman[17] Democrat CA-27
Anthony D. Weiner[18] Democrat NY-09
Eric Cantor[19] Republican VA-07
Susan Davis[20] Democrat CA-53
Steve Israel[21] Democrat NY-02
Adam Schiff[21] Democrat CA-29
Rahm Emanuel[22] Democrat IL-05
Debbie Wasserman Schultz[24] Democrat FL-20
Steve Cohen[25] Democrat TN-09
Gabrielle Giffords[26] Democrat AZ-08
Paul Hodes[27] Democrat NH-02
Steve Kagen[28] Democrat WI-08
Ron Klein[29] Democrat FL-22
John Yarmuth[30] Democrat KY-03 2006

US Senate

Carl Levin Democrat Michigan 1978
Arlen Specter Republican Pennsylvania 1980
Frank Lautenberg Democrat New Jersey 2002
Herb Kohl Democrat Wisconsin 1988
Joseph Lieberman Independent Democrat Connecticut 1988
Dianne Feinstein[1] Democrat California 1992
Barbara Boxer Democrat California 1992
Russ Feingold Democrat Wisconsin 1992
Ron Wyden Democrat Oregon 1996
Charles Schumer Democrat New York 1998
Norm Coleman Republican Minnesota 2002
Ben Cardin Democrat Maryland 2006
Bernie Sanders Independent (Democratic Socialist) Vermont 2006

How does 2.17% of the US population as a demographic have so much representation in the US House and Senate?

You are scared for your family eh? What do you think I’m scared of? Something different? You think I want my way of life destroyed so your precious homeland of Israel can continue to ABUSE and occupy land owned by Arabs?

I don’t think so Mordecai.

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By GodSend, July 13, 2007 at 11:30 am Link to this comment

No, MC, Israel is not the root of all Evil - the Devil is the root of all Evil! And who worships the Devil, you ask? Why, Satanists, of course. And who are these Satanists? Israeli Zionists are just SOME of those who worship in the “Synagogue of Satan” (Christ’s words: “They are not Jews but worship in the Synagogue of Satan”)

What’s another name for the Devil? “Great Deceiver”. What is Israel’s (Mossad) motto? “By Deception we shall wage war”. Ever hear of the Mossad’s ‘false-flag’ operations?  They are legion. Are you getting the picture? Do you WANT to get the picture? (I didn’t think so!) wink

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By GodSend, July 13, 2007 at 11:14 am Link to this comment

Windbag - is there no end to the hot air that you intend to blow out here?!

Like a lobotomized idiot, you just don’t want to understand that a Zionist is not a Jew! If you’re a Jew, a Zionist is your worst enemy! Israel is controlled by a bunch of bloodthirsty and deceptive Zionists, not Jews! They worship in the “Synagogue of Satan”! Read Benjamin Freedman’s speech about the Zionist threat to America (and the world)! Read Alan Hart’s book: “Zionism: The Real Enemy of the Jews”. Can you read? If Zionism is not stopped dead in its tracks very soon, a Holocaust will eventually ensue which will make all previous pogroms look like a love-fest for Jews! Zionists will be responsible for that tragedy!

And don’t worry about my salvation, OK?! Worry about your own! Start with accepting the existence of God! - the evidence for His existence is all around you smile “The fool has said in his heart: There is no God” Don’t be a fool!!!

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By Mike Corbeil, July 13, 2007 at 10:20 am Link to this comment
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Israel is the root of these problems, all of this evil, controls the US govt?  You’ve gotta be KIDDING. The Israeli govt and leadership, including its hell’s Mossad and military officials, sure, EVIL as much as Hell can be on Earth.

After all, for Hell to be present on Earth, it obviously must be through humans.  The Israeli govt definitely provides a strong example, too; but it’s not alone.

Wars on Iraq, Afghanistan, Haiti, which happened during the same timeframe, Somalia, Sudan, and perhaps others, are you trying to claim that these are all because of Israel?

If so, then you are FAR OFF-BASE.

It’s ALL for natural resources, and by gaining control of these, there’s geo-political and -economic power.  Don’t gain control of the natural resources, and then there’s no power, for power requires the ability to be able to make others subjects; if there’s nothing that we’re subjected to in terms of lack and need, then power is totally illusion or delusion.  Conversely, if there’s something we lack and need, and another party has this, then it is possible to get some of us to not only be willing to do fair work for fair gain, there are others who’ll be willing to go the hellbent way.

The USA DID NOT WAR on Iraq because of Israel and the same will be true when and if the US, Bush admin., wars on Iran; while we can be also damn sure that it’s not because of Israel that the US is warring in Sudan and Somalia, and Zimbabwe, among other African countries; besides ALL of the evil the US has long done in South American countries, and the USA itself.

Want to try to blame Israel?  THEN DO IT INTEGRALLY, with THOROUGH ANALYSIS OF THE USA.  YOU CANNOT, because the bases for being able to do so DO NO EXIST.

What Israel really is is just a new “partner” and very profitable one to the US military-industrial complex.  Some insane members of the mostly insane leadership of the US govt are insanely pro-Israel based on insanely Zionist kinds of reasons, maybe; but there are also many who support Israel and who don’t care what happens to it, as long as the military-industrial complex PROFITS continue.

And Bush is NOT president.  He’s just a puppet, figurehead, while, at least this time, the v.p. clearly is far more the president than Bush is; so far, anyway.

But, anyway, if people want to gain real and serious education, then read articles like in the sub-saharan Africa and the energy sections at http://www.globalresearch.ca , while the following surely may strike a blow for you.

“Bush-Putin Summit in Kennebunkport: The New Cold War”, by Mike Whitney, July 11, 2007,

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=6289

Putin’s making poutin (some junky french-fry bs from Drummondville, Quebec, Canada, some idiots there who thought of “inventing” this heart-killing crap of french fries) of the USA.  Putin’s making poutin of USA.

Interesting.  It’s what the USA is after all, killer poutin. 

So Putin’s right and just helping to make it all the more clear, after all.

The man’s kicking US butt “all over the place”.  Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ....

Sounds good to me.

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By Inherit The Wind, July 13, 2007 at 9:49 am Link to this comment
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I am deeply saddened by the blatant anti-semitism here.  Yes, I know it’s let’s-pretend it’s “zionists” but almost all Jews in the world are, in some way or another, Zionist, in that they support Israel’s existence, either now or (those that believe) in the time of Moshiach (the Messian).  Only a few left-over 60’s radicals are anti-israel—there’s probably a higher percentage of Hell’s Angels in the general population than there are of those leftovers among Jews.

Most Jews want Israel safe: They don’t want Palestinians killed.  They want the Palestinians to leave Israel alone and get on with their lives.

So every attack on “Demonic Zionists” with our “Plan for World Domination” and “Insidious infiltration of our government and the MSM” is nothing more than the 2007 version of Hitler’s Brownshirt propaganda in the 20’s and 30’s.  Hamas even cites that evil crude forgery, “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion” as if it’s real and factual.

It’s gone SO far as to accepting as “fact” that Mossad was behind 9/11—a nation with NOTHING to gain and EVERYTHING to lose is purported to be behind attacking its best ally BUT a people who DETEST the US somehow couldn’t pull of this brilliant-in-its-simplicity evil attack.

Truthdig—you should move this thread over to the Aryan Nation, or the American Nazi Party—they would agree whole-heartedly with all these advocates of a new purge of Jews from the world.  Being of Jewish descent I see in you all the New Nazi Movement, and I am frightened for my family and my children that people in America can be SO driven by hatred and SO eager to accept false “facts” just to blame Jews yet again, as has happened SO many times down the centuries.

You are NO different than the Jews being blamed and murdered for “somehow” bringing the Black Plague to Europe and not, themselves, dying from it. Now it’s 9/11.  Next, you’ll tell us Osama Bin Laden is really a “Zionist” at heart—and all you fascists will accept THAT too because it fits your bizarre, warped and evil world view.

(Simply put: Jews fastidiously believed in hygiene even then and Europeans were grossly filthy, never bathing in their lives, which was why Plague, spread by rats and fleas, didn’t infect Jews nearly as often as the “Christians”)

GodSend, with your miltant anti-semitism, and advocacy of violence against Jews, you better hope that I, as an Agnostic, am right about God and you are wrong.  Because if you are right about an afterlife, you can count on ages in Purgatory or Hell for your hateful thoughts.  You have far more reason to fear judgement than I ever will.

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By GodSend, July 13, 2007 at 9:36 am Link to this comment

cyrena:

I don’t really care about the Zionists, until we can start pointing them out and identifying them by name.

We can and we have! smile Start with all the Neocons in the Bush Cabal (inner circle) and spread throughout: the Pentagon, the WH and Bush government, the Fed, the Republican party, the Democratic party, the Independent party, the Green party, any other political party, Congress, MIC, Academia, Media, ‘Think Tanks’, Corporate America (especially Hollywood), professional societies,  EVERY component of American society (including ‘secret’ societies)! Read Benjamin Freedman’s 1961 speech! Visit: Ziopedia, Jew Watch (remember that Zionists like to pose as Jews!), ConspiracyPenpal, WhatReallyHappened, Xymphora, SaveTheMales, etc.

You want a list of actual names? Contact AIPAC, ZOA, ADL and countless other Zionist organizations in America for their membership lists! Find out which political candidates these organizations funded.

Find out what katsas and sayanim are. Find out what they did and what they do. Read the ‘Protocols’.

Finally, visit my website for an exciting (and scary) journey down the rabbit hole wink

You have either been sleeping, my Dear - or sleeping intentionally wink Time to WAKE UP! (If you’re a ‘sleeper’ Zionist, you can go back to sleep!) wink

All Americans had better ‘care about’ the Zionists and who they are RIGHT NOW - because they are still executing their ‘Greater Israel’ and NWO long-term plan - and that plan includes the destruction of America as we knew it!

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By the 1Sgt, July 13, 2007 at 7:58 am Link to this comment

#86535 by cyrena on 7/12 at 11:55 pm
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But in reality, at the end of the day, that’s why they would send quasi-pilots over here to do such a job, but the results ended up far more spectacular than even THEY could have imagined, with just a little extra help from the “enemy” in the White House.
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Well I have asked many times since Sept 11 the question why. I was on my way back from Saudi Arabia after a 90 day deployment (that was when they were only 3 mos LOL) and while I was there we kept hearing from the intel people “something BIG” was going to happen. Many of us thought it would be a terror attack on US troops in Saudi Arabia.

As I left PSAB on Sept 6, 2001 using the off rotator (got lucky) I had several thoughts formulated in my mind about Saudi Arabia:

1. Saudi Arabia is the most unwelcome country I have been in. They do everything possible to make a visitor feel unwelcome. This is not directed at Americans in particular, just foreigners in general. In fact, you can’t just go “visit” there, you have to have a reason to be there. If you did not know…most Saudis do not work, especially manual labor. That’s what they have TCNs for (third country nationals). Those beheadings you see….most if not all are poor TCNs caught violating Islamic laws (which NEVER apply to Saudis).

2. Saudis are generally incompetent, rather stupid people. They are backwards, even the rich ones. They are rich but don’t know the value of money. Example: a rich Saudi driving a 90,000 car and wrecking it. Yo or I would have a heart attack, they just buy another one. If you are connected to the royal family, you basically have no responsibility except to breathe. Honestly, there is very little they can do themselves.

3. Saudis are Two-Faced people. They say one thing and do the exact opposite. You cannot trust anything they say. They also don’t live by the high morals they espouse. Alcohol and pornography is not allowed in the country. But, when they want to drink, they just drive or fly out of the country and get liquored/sexed up. Many of the men are bisexual.

4. Having seen how WELL we treat saudis in the states and seen how they treated me as a “guest” in the kingdom, I can say I will never, EVER extend the same courtesy I did in the past for the ones I see here. I will never go back to the place and it would not bother me one bit if the place was vaporized off the face of the earth.

Now, with respect to 9/11. It astounds me how they were able to pull it off. These particular 16 Saudies must have been “better than the average bear” or they had some help.

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By Pien Tellus, July 13, 2007 at 6:48 am Link to this comment
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  Chris Hedges article “A Declaration of Independence From Israel is the truth. In 1700s, the French philosopher Condorcet asserted that the gullibility and stupidity of the vast majority of the
population would enable a cunning minority to indoctrinate them at will and so create an elite oligarchy behind a ‘democratic front.’  Did not Ariel Sharon the former Prime Minister of Israel comment to someone in Israel (before his stroke that): “We own America and America knows it”? I did not know exactly what Sharon meant by “own” so I looked the word up in the dictionary. According to the Oxford Universal Dictionary the English word “own”” is defined as: ““to make one’s own, to seize, win, gain; to adopt as one’’s own, to possess; to have as one’’s function or business.” So that means that Ariel Sharon the former Prime Minister of Israel said in effect that “America is ours and the Americans know it.”  Am I correct? Question: How do the American people feel about Sharon’s candid comment?
In 1999 Pope John II said that “the human race is facing forms of slavery which are new and more
subtle than those of the past.” Do the American people know then that they have been enslaved? Or
they realize they are and yet do not care. Or perhaps it is because they are so totally owned, that they can not (or are not allowed to) care.
Orwell’s 1984 actually eventuated around 1972 when Sen William Fulbright declared that the United
States was “subservient” to Israel and bore “a very great share of the responsibility for the continuation of Middle East violence.” Fulbright added that “The Israelis control politics in Congress and in the Senate” - i.e., in America. For daring to speak out and tell the truth to the American public, Jewish Americans voted together to kick Fulbright out of the Senate.  In confirming that AIPAC was responsible for Fulbright’s defeat at the polls, a former head of AIPAC boasted: “The Jews in America gathered to oust Senator Charles Percy and the (other) American politicians got the message.”  AIPAC also ousted Congressman Paul Findley who had also dared to speak out about the power of the Israeli Lobby and the omnipotent control they had over America and the lives of its citizens.
With regard to Iraq, Iran, Syria, Cuba, Venezuela and Korea,  Bush and the rest of America’s so called
elected politicians should realize that they must emancipate themselves before they can emancipate
others. What does AIPAC and the other power elites in America demand of America’s politicians?  They
not only demand an unswerving allegiance to Israel they also demand that they possess a mediocrity
of the highest order. The question that many in other parts of the world are waiting for is: how much
further are the American people going to yield to that cunning minority that has manage to operatively
subjugate them? Truthdig, like surgery, may hurt, but it might cure America and the rest of the world of it’s collective ailment.

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By cyrena, July 13, 2007 at 3:47 am Link to this comment

#86542 by GodSend on 7/13 at 12:24 am

.....“I’m sorry to blow your 19 crazed Arabs and Osama 9/11 fantasy to smithereens, my Dear, but truth (and science) cannot be successfully argued with any longer!”....

Uh…GODSEND…

What’s up with this? I’m pretty sure you have me very confused with someone else. I have never swallowed the 19 highjacker story or the “official story” from day one. EVER.

There is no doubt in my mind that there were multiple efforts in play, from other “actors”. I won’t go as far as to say that it was the Moussad, or the Zionists, though you could be right, though I’ve seen no solid evidence about any of this Zionist stuff.

I know Isreal’s the root of most of this violence, but I don’t really care about the Zionists, until we can start pointing them out and identifying them by name.

The point is that I don’t really care. I’m putting the blame all solidly on the gang who signed the PNAC, a decade ago, and any of their “known associates”, as the perpetrators of 9-11, and every single horror that has occured since. ALL of it.

If there are some Zionists involved as well, then let them all go the The Hague together. Whatever. I know who did this do us, and they’ve been getting away with worse stuff ever since.

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By GodSend, July 13, 2007 at 1:55 am Link to this comment

Oh, Robert, I sure hope you weren’t in the vicinity of cyrena when my 911 grenades went off! (verbal grenades - relax, DJ!) Did you catch some shrapnel, too? I think 1Sgt may have been hit by some shards - it’s very quiet on the Left! 911 is a LOT of grenades! wink

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By GodSend, July 13, 2007 at 1:35 am Link to this comment

Hey, 1Sgt, I just fragged cyrena out of her 9/11 Arab saddle with some verbal hand grenades - sure hope you didn’t catch any shrapnel! wink Remember, the enemy is Zionists - Israeli and American! (I don’t think there is such a thing as an Arab Zionist) wink

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By GodSend, July 13, 2007 at 1:24 am Link to this comment

cyrena, you have not been paying attention! - tsk, tsk. Either that or you’re just another Zionist shill! The only other option is sorta embarrassing: a severe shortage of grey matter wink You SEE!, Dear, it’s not Arabs who have infiltrated America - it’s Zionists who have infiltrated America, especially the ‘Intelligence’ Agencies (Ha!), the Pentagon, the MIC, the Bush Cabal and, (drumroll) the Mainstream Media (MSM).

Read the Benjamin Freedman speech (1961), linked in a post below, and many dark and mysterious matters SHOULD become very clear to you (and anyone else reading it). Skip over the outdated bits and concentrate on the fundamentals - which are unchanged. Now, Zionists call their grandiose plan, the “Greater Israel” plan - same plan (more like plot) as before WWI. PNAC defined the sub-plot.

Could 19 crazed Arabs have pulled off 9/11 (some of whom are still alive)? Not on your life! It takes the organization and skills of a Mossad and cooperation from their friends in the above-mentioned places, to plan and execute such a monstrosity!

Check out the gazillion 9/11 Truth Movement sites and discover the physical impossibility of the ‘official’ 9/11 explanation.

I’m sorry to blow your 19 crazed Arabs and Osama 9/11 fantasy to smithereens, my Dear, but truth (and science) cannot be successfully argued with any longer!

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By cyrena, July 13, 2007 at 12:55 am Link to this comment

1Sgt…I agree with these questions:

As to my questions….yeah, I think it’s fair to ask WHY would these crazy Muslims want to attack us on our own soil. What have we done to them? Osama bin Laden mentions several reasons in his letter to America, and at the top of his list is our support of Israel (and their subjugation of Palestinians in the camps) and our stationing troops in arabia.
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/worldview/story/0,,8457 25,00.html

And, maybe you or Godsend did knock DJ in the head with some enlightenment.

And, because I eventually became fully convinced that the ONLY reason that some Islamic terrorists might want to hit us, is exactly what you’ve already come up with. (though it took me a while). And yes, one of the number one complaints from ANY of these groups, has been the US support of Israel’s atrocities against the Palestinians.

That is in fact, the numero uno on their list. It is hardly about establishing an Islamic world, but only about the support of Israel against them, as well as all of the “freedoms” that the U.S. helps themselves to, in what is traditionally the land of other peoples, who have their own customs and traditions. And, they don’t LIKE our particular “values” or customs, or traditions. I can’t say that I much blame them at this point.

But in reality, at the end of the day, that’s why they would send quasi-pilots over here to do such a job, but the results ended up far more spectacular than even THEY could have imagined, with just a little extra help from the “enemy” in the White House.

I’ve always believed that if WE weren’t “all over the Middle East” and the rest of the world, they probably would never have bothered us. That’s my guess.

But, an excellant book takes you along the journey of al-Qaeda, and Osama, and Zawahiri, to help get how it all unfolded as it has.

It’s The Looming Tower. Excellent. I may have mentioned it before.

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By GodSend, July 13, 2007 at 12:44 am Link to this comment

For those who demand absolute authenticity, here is a link to the verbatim version of the Benjamin Freedman speech, delivered in 1961:

http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/israel/freedman.htm

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By Robert, July 13, 2007 at 12:42 am Link to this comment

What Did Israel Know in Advance of the 9/11 Attacks?

CHRISTOPHER KETCHAM

Counterpunch

Thursday, March 8, 2007

“On the afternoon of September 11, 2001, an FBI bulletin known as a BOLO ­- “be on lookout”—was issued with regard to three suspicious men who that morning were seen leaving the New Jersey waterfront minutes after the first plane hit World Trade Center 1. Law enforcement officers across the New York-New Jersey area were warned in the radio dispatch to watch for a “vehicle possibly related to New York terrorist attack”:

White, 2000 Chevrolet van with ‘Urban Moving Systems’ sign on back seen at Liberty State Park, Jersey City, NJ, at the time of first impact of jetliner into World Trade Center Three individuals with van were seen celebrating after initial impact and subsequent explosion. FBI Newark Field Office requests that, if the van is located, hold for prints and detain individuals.

At 3:56 p.m., twenty-five minutes after the issuance of the FBI BOLO, officers with the East Rutherford Police Department stopped the commercial moving van through a trace on the plates. According to the police report, Officer Scott DeCarlo and Sgt. Dennis Rivelli approached the stopped van, demanding that the driver exit the vehicle. The driver, 23-year-old Sivan Kurzberg, refused and “was asked several more times [but] appeared to be fumbling with a black leather fanny pouch type of bag”. With guns drawn, the police then “physically removed” Kurzberg, while four other men ­- two more men had apparently joined the group since the morning ­- were also removed from the van, handcuffed, placed on the grass median and read their Miranda rights.

They had not been told the reasons for their arrest. Yet, according to DeCarlo’s report, “this officer was told without question by the driver [Sivan Kurzberg],‘We are Israeli. We are not your problem.Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are the problem.’” Another of the five Israelis, again without prompting, told Officer DeCarlo ­- falsely ­- that “we were on the West Side Highway in New York City during the incident”. From inside the vehicle the officers, who were quickly joined by agents from the FBI, retrieved multiple passports and $4,700 in cash stuffed in a sock. According to New Jersey’s Bergen Record, which on September 12 reported the arrest of the five Israelis, an investigator high up in the Bergen County law enforcement hierarchy stated that officers had also discovered in the vehicle “maps of the city with certain places highlighted. It looked like they’re hooked in with this”, the source told the Record, referring to the 9/11 attacks. “It looked like they knew what was going to happen when they were at Liberty State Park.”

The five men were indeed Israeli citizens. They claimed to be in the country working as movers for Urban Moving Systems Inc., which maintained a warehouse and office in Weehawken, New Jersey. They were held for 71 days in a federal detention center in Brooklyn, New York, during which time they were repeatedly interrogated by FBI and CIA counterterrorism teams, who referred to the men as the “high-fivers” for their celebratory behavior on the New Jersey waterfront. Some were placed in solitary confinement for at least forty days; some were given as many as seven liedetector tests. One of the Israelis, Paul Kurzberg, brother of Sivan, refused to take a lie-detector test for ten weeks. Then he failed it.”

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2007/080307Israel.htm


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Sorry about the multiple posts. In this post, one can fully read the article by Christopher Ketcham, which was posted on “counterpunch” website in March, 2007.

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By GodSend, July 13, 2007 at 12:28 am Link to this comment

And now, a little bit of Zionist, Khazar and Jewish history about WWI, WWII and WWIII, from a defector from Zionism! We are about to witness Act III of this ‘play’, written by Zionists many years ago. Notice the comments about Zionist control over the Media! Has anything changed since 1961, when this speech was delivered? You betcha! The Zionist Matrix now has America in a deadly embrace and the Big Squeeze is ON! As Edgar J. Steele wrote in an article linked here earlier, America is a “Dead Country, Walking”.

http://www.israeliwatch.com/2007/02/01/a-jewish-defector-warns-america/

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By Robert, July 13, 2007 at 12:24 am Link to this comment

March 7, 2007

A CounterPunch Special Investigation

High-Fivers and Art Student Spies

What Did Israel Know in Advance of the 9/11 Attacks?

By CHRISTOPHER KETCHAM

“On the afternoon of September 11, 2001, an FBI bulletin known as a BOLO ­- “be on lookout”—was issued with regard to three suspicious men who that morning were seen leaving the New Jersey waterfront minutes after the first plane hit World Trade Center 1. Law enforcement officers across the New York-New Jersey area were warned in the radio dispatch to watch for a “vehicle possibly related to New York terrorist attack”:

  White, 2000 Chevrolet van with ‘Urban Moving Systems’ sign on back seen at Liberty State Park, Jersey City, NJ, at the time of first impact of jetliner into World Trade Center Three individuals with van were seen celebrating after initial impact and subsequent explosion. FBI Newark Field Office requests that, if the van is located, hold for prints and detain individuals.

At 3:56 p.m., twenty-five minutes after the issuance of the FBI BOLO, officers with the East Rutherford Police Department stopped the commercial moving van through a trace on the plates. According to the police report, Officer Scott DeCarlo and Sgt. Dennis Rivelli approached the stopped van, demanding that the driver exit the vehicle. The driver, 23-year-old Sivan Kurzberg, refused and “was asked several more times [but] appeared to be fumbling with a black leather fanny pouch type of bag”. With guns drawn, the police then “physically removed” Kurzberg, while four other men ­- two more men had apparently joined the group since the morning ­- were also removed from the van, handcuffed, placed on the grass median and read their Miranda rights.”


http://www.counterpunch.org/ketcham03072007.html

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By Robert, July 13, 2007 at 12:22 am Link to this comment

March 7, 2007

A CounterPunch Special Investigation

High-Fivers and Art Student Spies

What Did Israel Know in Advance of the 9/11 Attacks?

By CHRISTOPHER KETCHAM

“On the afternoon of September 11, 2001, an FBI bulletin known as a BOLO ­- “be on lookout”—was issued with regard to three suspicious men who that morning were seen leaving the New Jersey waterfront minutes after the first plane hit World Trade Center 1. Law enforcement officers across the New York-New Jersey area were warned in the radio dispatch to watch for a “vehicle possibly related to New York terrorist attack”:

  White, 2000 Chevrolet van with ‘Urban Moving Systems’ sign on back seen at Liberty State Park, Jersey City, NJ, at the time of first impact of jetliner into World Trade Center Three individuals with van were seen celebrating after initial impact and subsequent explosion. FBI Newark Field Office requests that, if the van is located, hold for prints and detain individuals.

At 3:56 p.m., twenty-five minutes after the issuance of the FBI BOLO, officers with the East Rutherford Police Department stopped the commercial moving van through a trace on the plates. According to the police report, Officer Scott DeCarlo and Sgt. Dennis Rivelli approached the stopped van, demanding that the driver exit the vehicle. The driver, 23-year-old Sivan Kurzberg, refused and “was asked several more times [but] appeared to be fumbling with a black leather fanny pouch type of bag”. With guns drawn, the police then “physically removed” Kurzberg, while four other men ­- two more men had apparently joined the group since the morning ­- were also removed from the van, handcuffed, placed on the grass median and read their Miranda rights.”


http://www.counterpunch.org/kecham03072007.html

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By GodSend, July 12, 2007 at 7:23 pm Link to this comment

1Sgt:

You’re right about their denial of facts that undermine their position. It’s similar to the stone-walling of 9/11 facts by the Zionist-controlled MSM. The purpose and benefit of engaging these deceivers in blogs like this is to expose those facts which they like to ignore - and which destroy their arguments (for the benefit of those listeners who are still uninformed).

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By Martin McKlein, July 12, 2007 at 6:25 pm Link to this comment
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Chris Hedges

It seems you left out the amount of assistance all the Arab countries received from the Soviet Union. For every dollar provided to the Israelis the Arabs received 100.00 dollars and including Engineers, Intelligence and combat generals managing the war departments. Please study history before you print lies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What happen to the Christians in Palestine and Lebanon?
Learn History.

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By the 1Sgt, July 12, 2007 at 6:10 pm Link to this comment

GodSend,

Please note: we provide them with facts, thought provoking responses and they will never respond to what we say with facts or relate to what we say.

What is the response to the Carl Cameron reports?

Mossad False flag opertions.

The number of israeli SPIES in the US govt?

The number of Jewish senators and representatives and other government officials in our government when only 5 million jews are US citizens?

The above statements to them are Anti-semitic. Thats how far from reality they are.

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By GodSend, July 12, 2007 at 5:56 pm Link to this comment

That scoundrel DJ is using the same strategy that the Israeli Zionists are using to ‘balkanize’ Iraq: inciting sectarian division! Hey, DJ, we’re ‘on’ to your intrigue and deception. Did you get this out of the Hasbara handbook?

I can spot those Zionist devils with their protruding horns from afar, hiding in the underbrush of cyberspace! wink

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By the 1Sgt, July 12, 2007 at 4:55 pm Link to this comment

#86367 by DuaneJ on 7/12 at 3:01 pm
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Well Gods End & 1stSg,
you don’t even seem to get your complot theories aligned: one says Israel perpetrated the 9/11 crimes, the other asks why AlQaeda sent the pilots.
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Hello DJ,

Why are you trying to cage the two of us in this preconceived notion you seem to have with people who disagree being inhuman, bigots, supremacists, delusional, unattached from the facts?

Godsend has his beliefs and I have mine.

Although I haven’t been sold on it, many people believe the Mossad (Israel’s intelligence service) was directly or indirectly involved in the planning and execution of the 9/11 operation. At the very least, one thing coming out very clear is they were at least AWARE and did not say anything to us in the alarmist way an “ALLY” would be expected to have done. As the towers fell, several people saw Arab looking people with video cameras celebrating jubilantly. They were reported and it turns out all of them were “Israeli art students”. Carl Cameron from Fox news even reported on this. The video tape has been removed from the FN web site but you can still find copies of it on the internet. There are reports many of these people were assigned to monitor Al quaeda movements pre-op to 9/11.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSEbgrmKtmA&mode=related&search;=

You may think is is all crazy but you know the Mossad has been involved in many “false flag” operations. There are reports they were involved with the US bombing of Libya’s Khadafi…being the ones who planted a transmitting device which fooled the US into bombing Libya. Well, at least one of the Mossad operatives (Victor Ostrovsky) said this is what happened in a book he wrote. http://freemasonrywatch.org/libya.html

As to my questions….yeah, I think it’s fair to ask WHY would these crazy Muslims want to attack us on our own soil. What have we done to them? Osama bin Laden mentions several reasons in his letter to America, and at the top of his list is our support of Israel (and their subjugation of Palestinians in the camps) and our stationing troops in arabia. http://observer.guardian.co.uk/worldview/story/0,,845725,00.html

You realy have alot, ALOT of homework to do. Please come back and discuss this some more when you’re read up on the issues.

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By GodSend, July 12, 2007 at 4:39 pm Link to this comment

Hey, 1Sgt, I think one of us shot DJ in the head with one of our bullets of enlightenment. Sounds like surrender to me! smile

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By cyrena, July 12, 2007 at 4:25 pm Link to this comment

#86246 by Ken on 7/12 at 9:03 am

HI Ken,

Admittedly, I don’t see the “Zionistic” mentality as being “reserved” for the Jews of Israel, because it is a mentality that exists everywhere, in some personalities. (at least to me).

I also admit that I don’t have anything more than a scholarly interest in ANY of the Holy Books, and so I maintain a very secular, (if not agnostic) position on these issues.

That means that I don’t believe that “god” gave Israel to the Jews. I also believe that Israel has been acting outside of the law, (as a rogue state) for the past several decades, perpetrating what is ethnic cleansing and a defacto apartheid, there in the Israel/Palestine territories.

If Israel is perpetrating these crimes against humanity as a result of “Zionism”, then I can’t see where much more reading would help me. (at least not as far as finding a justification for it, because there is no justification).

Zionism (like anything else in my own worldview) would be perfectly fine, if it didn’t result in the oppression of so many others. Who would care? I certainly wouldn’t, since I’ve always been perfectly fine, with ANYBODY practicing WHATEVER religion or “mindset” they choose, as long as others do not have to share it, or be persecuted by it.

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