LOGO: Truthdig: Drilling Beneath the Headlines. A Progressive Journal of News and Opinion. Editor, Robert Scheer. Publisher, Zuade Kaufman.Best Political Blog Winner, 2007 Webby Awards, People's Voice and Jury.   Dateline: Iraq - Anna Badkhen and Sarah Stillman on Assignment
 
May 17, 2008
Log in / Register

 Choose a size
Text Size

Reports

Arts & Culture

Digs
Inside the Data Mine

Ear to the Ground

A/V Booth

Truthdig Bazaar
The Making of the Atomic Bomb

The Making of the Atomic Bomb

By Richard Rhodes
$20.00

more items

 
Reports

A Declaration of Independence From Israel

Email this item Email    Print this item Print   
Posted on Jul 2, 2007
flag burning
AP Photo/Hatem Moussa

Armed Palestinian women burn Israeli and U.S. flags during a protest against Israel’s operations in the Gaza Strip and Lebanon.

By Chris Hedges

Israel, without the United States, would probably not exist.  The country came perilously close to extinction during the October 1973 war when Egypt, trained and backed by the Soviet Union, crossed the Suez and the Syrians poured in over the Golan Heights.  Huge American military transport planes came to the rescue.  They began landing every half-hour to refit the battered Israeli army, which had lost most of its heavy armor.  By the time the war was over, the United States had given Israel $2.2 billion in emergency military aid.

The intervention, which enraged the Arab world, triggered the OPEC oil embargo that for a time wreaked havoc on Western economies.  This was perhaps the most dramatic example of the sustained life-support system the United States has provided to the Jewish state.

Israel was born at midnight May 14, 1948.  The U.S. recognized the new state 11 minutes later.  The two countries have been locked in a deadly embrace ever since.

Washington, at the beginning of the relationship, was able to be a moderating influence.  An incensed President Eisenhower demanded and got Israel’s withdrawal after the Israelis occupied Gaza in 1956.  During the Six-Day War in 1967, Israeli warplanes bombed the USS Liberty.  The ship, flying the U.S. flag and stationed 15 miles off the Israeli coast, was intercepting tactical and strategic communications from both sides. The Israeli strikes killed 34 U.S. sailors and wounded 171. The deliberate attack froze, for a while, Washington’s enthusiasm for Israel.  But ruptures like this one proved to be only bumps, soon smoothed out by an increasingly sophisticated and well-financed Israel lobby that set out to merge Israeli and American foreign policy in the Middle East.

Israel has reaped tremendous rewards from this alliance.  It has been given more than $140 billion in U.S. direct economic and military assistance.  It receives about $3 billion in direct assistance annually, roughly one-fifth of the U.S. foreign aid budget.  Although most American foreign aid packages stipulate that related military purchases have to be made in the United States, Israel is allowed to use about 25 percent of the money to subsidize its own growing and profitable defense industry.  It is exempt, unlike other nations, from accounting for how it spends the aid money.  And funds are routinely siphoned off to build new Jewish settlements, bolster the Israeli occupation in the Palestinian territories and construct the security barrier, which costs an estimated $1 million a mile.

The barrier weaves its way through the West Bank, creating isolated pockets of impoverished Palestinians in ringed ghettos.  By the time the barrier is finished it will probably in effect seize up to 40 percent of Palestinian land.  This is the largest land grab by Israel since the 1967 war.  And although the United States officially opposes settlement expansion and the barrier, it also funds them.

The U.S. has provided Israel with nearly $3 billion to develop weapons systems and given Israel access to some of the most sophisticated items in its own military arsenal, including Blackhawk attack helicopters and F-16 fighter jets.  The United States also gives Israel access to intelligence it denies to its NATO allies.  And when Israel refused to sign the nuclear nonproliferation treaty, the United States stood by without a word of protest as the Israelis built the region’s first nuclear weapons program.

U.S. foreign policy, especially under the current Bush administration, has become little more than an extension of Israeli foreign policy.  The United States since 1982 has vetoed 32 Security Council resolutions critical of Israel, more than the total number of vetoes cast by all the other Security Council members.  It refuses to enforce the Security Council resolutions it claims to support.  These resolutions call on Israel to withdraw from the occupied territories.

There is now volcanic anger and revulsion by Arabs at this blatant favoritism.  Few in the Middle East see any distinction between Israeli and American policies, nor should they.  And when the Islamic radicals speak of U.S. support of Israel as a prime reason for their hatred of the United States, we should listen.  The consequences of this one-sided relationship are being played out in the disastrous war in Iraq, growing tension with Iran, and the humanitarian and political crisis in Gaza.  It is being played out in Lebanon, where Hezbollah is gearing up for another war with Israel, one most Middle East analysts say is inevitable.  The U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East is unraveling.  And it is doing so because of this special relationship. The eruption of a regional conflict would usher in a nightmare of catastrophic proportions.

There were many in the American foreign policy establishment and State Department who saw this situation coming. The decision to throw our lot in with Israel in the Middle East was not initially a popular one with an array of foreign policy experts, including President Harry Truman’s secretary of state, Gen. George Marshall.  They warned there would be a backlash.  They knew the cost the United States would pay in the oil-rich region for this decision, which they feared would be one of the greatest strategic blunders of the postwar era.  And they were right.  The decision has jeopardized American and Israeli security and created the kindling for a regional conflagration.

The alliance, which makes no sense in geopolitical terms, does makes sense when seen through the lens of domestic politics.  The Israel lobby has become a potent force in the American political system.  No major candidate, Democrat or Republican, dares to challenge it.  The lobby successfully purged the State Department of Arab experts who challenged the notion that Israeli and American interests were identical.  Backers of Israel have doled out hundreds of millions of dollars to support U.S. political candidates deemed favorable to Israel.  They have brutally punished those who strayed, including the first President Bush, who they said was not vigorous enough in his defense of Israeli interests.  This was a lesson the next Bush White House did not forget.  George W. Bush did not want to be a one-term president like his father. 

Israel advocated removing Saddam Hussein from power and currently advocates striking Iran to prevent it from acquiring nuclear weapons.  Direct Israeli involvement in American military operations in the Middle East is impossible.  It would reignite a war between Arab states and Israel.  The United States, which during the Cold War avoided direct military involvement in the region, now does the direct bidding of Israel while Israel watches from the sidelines.  During the 1991 Gulf War, Israel was a spectator, just as it is in the war with Iraq.

President Bush, facing dwindling support for the war in Iraq, publicly holds Israel up as a model for what he would like Iraq to become.  Imagine how this idea plays out on the Arab street, which views Israel as the Algerians viewed the French colonizers during the war of liberation. 

“In Israel,” Bush said recently, “terrorists have taken innocent human life for years in suicide attacks.  The difference is that Israel is a functioning democracy and it’s not prevented from carrying out its responsibilities.  And that’s a good indicator of success that we’re looking for in Iraq.”

Americans are increasingly isolated and reviled in the world.  They remain blissfully ignorant of their own culpability for this isolation.  U.S. “spin” paints the rest of the world as unreasonable, but Israel, Americans are assured, will always be on our side.

Israel is reaping economic as well as political rewards from its lock-down apartheid state.  In the “gated community” market it has begun to sell systems and techniques that allow the nation to cope with terrorism.  Israel, in 2006, exported $3.4 billion in defense products—well over a billion dollars more than it received in American military aid.  Israel has grown into the fourth largest arms dealer in the world.  Most of this growth has come in the so-called homeland security sector.

1   2   NEXT PAGE >>>

Email Newsletter

Get truth delivered to your inbox every week.

Previous item: Truthdiggers of the Week: Barton Gellman and Jo Becker

Next item: Harnessing the Sun Leaves Vidal in the Dark

Jump to Comments

Advertisement


Elsewhere: .

Comments

Are you a Truthdig member yet? Login now, or register with Truthdig.

Comment Pages: «1 2 3 4 5 6 »

By Inherit The WInd, July 12, 2007 at 2:29 pm #
(Unregistered commenter)

Strangely enough, Bush may be right! Israeli Zionists attacked us on 9/11 and they are also leading the insurgent charge in Iraq, aiming to dismember the country in the ‘Balkanization’ effort. Next, of course, they will be behind 911-II and a similar ‘Balkanization’ attempt in Iran. Does the US Military really need that old Carrier ‘Enterprise’ any more - or is it ‘disposable’ and full of asbestos, like the WTC towers?!

**********************

You buy into this pure bullshit that was put out by Arabs to TRY to cover for 19 Arabs flying planes into the WTC and the Pentagon, but “oh No! I’m not anti-semitic!  I just believe Jews (whoops! I meant to say ‘Zionists’--chuckle--) are from Satan!”

GodSend: You ARE anti-semitic. You ARE a bigot, and you ARE a neo-nazi because you happily and willingly buy into this bullshit that could not POSSIBLY be true.

But then again, facts don’t matter to you anyway--you have “faith” and a direct line from God.  I’ve met Christians and “Christians”.  Trust me, you are the latter.

Reply to this | Report this

By GodSend, July 12, 2007 at 1:26 pm #
(525 comments total)

President Bush, defending his troop surge in Iraq, insisted Thursday that the insurgents attacking US troops in Iraq “are the same ones who attacked us on Sept. 11.”

Strangely enough, Bush may be right! Israeli Zionists attacked us on 9/11 and they are also leading the insurgent charge in Iraq, aiming to dismember the country in the ‘Balkanization’ effort. Next, of course, they will be behind 911-II and a similar ‘Balkanization’ attempt in Iran. Does the US Military really need that old Carrier ‘Enterprise’ any more - or is it ‘disposable’ and full of asbestos, like the WTC towers?!

Reply to this | Report this

By GodSend, July 12, 2007 at 10:49 am #
(525 comments total)

1Sgt:

No, I didn’t watch the program. I haven’t been able to watch Bush live on TV for a very long time - just seeing him makes my hair stand on end and my skin crawl! A friend of mine has the same reaction. He exudes Evil, just standing still. His body language is scary. Then, when he opens his mouth, it’s like the very gates of hell are opening - a stammering of lies and twisted English right out of ‘Rosemarie’s Baby’! I’ve never seen evil and idiocy combined in such a deceptive and deadly package! Have you ever read Paul Levy’s articles about him? They are very insightful (’Awaken in the Dream’ is his website).

Reply to this | Report this

By Robert, July 12, 2007 at 10:34 am #
(641 comments total)

Comment #86257 by the 1Sgt on 7/12 at 9:21 am

“Did you watch the US President’s live news conference today? Did you see him use threatening words towards Iran and in the same sentence mention Iran “threatens Israel, calling it to be wiped off the map”?”

---------------------------------------------

the 1Sgt;

I watched GW Bush’s speech this AM. While I was watching..., I started to wonder… Who wrote that speech & other speeches for GW Bush?

Do we have any name(s) as to who he/she is the author(s)?

Who was this person(s) who was responsible for such a speech and a zionist agenda?

It surely would be nice to know the name(s)...does anyone on this thread know?

Just makes me wonder what and whose agenda and speeches does our American president follow?

He sure listens to Joe Lieberman’s zionist/Israeli and other zionists agendas...and that is wreak havoc on the Arab/Islamic countries...and more support $$$ for Israel.

How many thousands of innocent lives has George Bush’s, Cheney and the zionist neo-cons war killed?

How much “TERROR” has our military conducted in Iraq for the lies of WMD’s?

Reply to this | Report this

By the 1Sgt, July 12, 2007 at 9:48 am #
(96 comments total)

Godsend,
Did you see Bush’s news conference this morning? How this guy is still in power is just amazing. BTW, did you know Bush is a Harvard MBA? Sure doesn’t act like one.

Reply to this | Report this

By GodSend, July 12, 2007 at 9:36 am #
(525 comments total)

OK, 1Sgt - we’ll get him in a cross-fire! wink (That’s verbal cross-fire, DJ - just in case you’re getting all jumpy!)

Reply to this | Report this

By the 1Sgt, July 12, 2007 at 9:24 am #
(96 comments total)

#86247 by GodSend on 7/12 at 9:04 am
(84 comments total)

Hey, the 1Sgt, I got this one, OK?! (DJ)
=============================================

Sorry, saw this late, both responses will get DJ thinking. There are many Djs out there.

Reply to this | Report this

By the 1Sgt, July 12, 2007 at 9:21 am #
(96 comments total)

#86241 by DuaneJ on 7/12 at 8:41 am
(2 comments total)

Well, from the comments of Gods end and Sgt1 it is pretty clear, what forces Hughes manages (or maybe intends) to summon. Fortunately it’s, even on this forum less than a handful of people, shouting over the top of their voice. I love open and genuine discussions, but the immediate calling for innocent blood to be spilled, reeks. I just wish that people with sound minds and a balanced view, call out against this, as they would when the subject of their emotional wrath would be an(y) other minority…
=====================================================
Your comments reflect exactly what I meant by conditioned thinking.

Whose blood? The Israeli’s?

Is it really innocent?

Who is calling for innocent blood to be spilled? What are the words or actions of anyone here or in the article which lead you to infer the above statement?

Is it this one?---"Israel, without the United States, would probably not exist.”

Is this an inflammatory, anti-semitic statement?

Do you think removal of support today means Israel becomes extinct? Is his suggestion of removal of support anti-semetic? Do Americans owe Israel a living in perpetuity?

Did you watch the US President’s live news conference today? Did you see him use threatening words towards Iran and in the same sentence mention Iran “threatens Israel, calling it to be wiped off the map”?

How his statements regarding al Queda in Iraq and the war there to prevent the war here?

Why did Al queda attack the United States?

What have Americans and or their government done to the Arab world to inflame these extremists?

Why are we involved here?

Reply to this | Report this

By GodSend, July 12, 2007 at 9:04 am #
(525 comments total)

Hey, the 1Sgt, I got this one, OK?! (DJ)

Reply to this | Report this

By Ken, July 12, 2007 at 9:03 am #
(Unregistered commenter)

Cyrena, where does zionism in your world view stand on the ladder of legitimacy, and where are countries based on colonialism. Where are fiefdoms and regimes that go about execution style rampages? Where does it honestly rank compared to 90% of the world’s countries, where the police isn’t your best friend, and a nightly knock by the army/gang/police on the door means you have to hide your virgin daughters?

If you are interested to find out about ‘legitimate zionism’, you might want to read a book with an open mind, that actually does not quote from the bible, the quran, nor is it based on atrocities. It’s about realities: How to Cure a Fanatic by Amos Oz

It could be a real cure for some of the fun loving characters that roam around this blog

Reply to this | Report this

By GodSend, July 12, 2007 at 9:02 am #
(525 comments total)

DJ:

Neither I nor the 1Sgt are calling for the spilling of innocent blood! - BUT there are some nasty Zionists in Israel (actually, Palestine!) who have been doing just that (and are doing it as I write) for a VERY long time. The IDF has been killing children, women, old men and the occasional American peace protester since the abomination Israel was first created - against Yahweh’s will, I might add! (see Neturei Karta for details)

The Heavenly Power that will be unleashed (God willing) will put an end to those atrocities - and all other atrocities that are being committed or planned by those Zionist Devils!

Can I make it any clearer to you, you deceptive imp!

Reply to this | Report this

By DuaneJ, July 12, 2007 at 8:41 am #
(3 comments total)

Well, from the comments of Gods end and Sgt1 it is pretty clear, what forces Hughes manages (or maybe intends) to summon. Fortunately it’s, even on this forum less than a handful of people, shouting over the top of their voice. I love open and genuine discussions, but the immediate calling for innocent blood to be spilled, reeks. I just wish that people with sound minds and a balanced view, call out against this, as they would when the subject of their emotional wrath would be an(y) other minority…

Reply to this | Report this

By the 1Sgt, July 12, 2007 at 7:41 am #
(96 comments total)

It is just amazing to me to see the level of conditioning people have in their thinking. The people here who NAZIFY (new word?) people when discussion about Israel and the role it plays in the lives of American people are truly fooling themselves.

The problem with this thinking is it doesn’t reflect a changed world. MANY, MANY people are starting to ask questions. These questions will eventually lead to the truth. We cannot avoid this.

Talk about Nazi Germany and the Holocaust...look at what happened to the German people when they found out they were on the losing side. They had occupiers on their land. They are occupied today.

America (the people) needs to wake up to what America (the government) is doing to people around the world, in their name.

Israel is not a state in our union, we don’t owe them anything, we don’t need to have our children fight a war for them, because of the enemies they have created and we certainly do not need to FOREVER support them financially, to the tune of 100+ BILLION dollars over the last 60 years.

Reply to this | Report this

By GodSend, July 12, 2007 at 7:18 am #
(525 comments total)

Here is a VERY IMPORTANT message about America, Israel, Zionism and the future of our country and of our children. After the sorrow has subsided, it needs to be replaced by OUTRAGE and ACTION! Was there ever a more appropriate time than NOW, when “the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots”? (Thomas Jefferson). It may not have to be real blood just yet - figurative blood may be sufficient. wink

It’s high time for all patriotic Americans to say:

“We’re mad as hell - and we’re not going to take it any more!”

http://www.conspiracypenpal.com/rants/dead.htm

Reply to this | Report this

By Inherit The Wind, July 12, 2007 at 3:42 am #
(Unregistered commenter)

GodSend on 7/11 at 11:03 pm
(81 comments total)

Truly, Windbag, I have no intention of twisting your arm (or worse) about ANYTHING - or anyone else’s. I’m not the violent type. Furthermore, you are welcome to remain an agnostic Windbag for the rest of your life.

It’s possible (by God’s Grace) that He will decide to make you aware of His existence - you should be so lucky! That is likely to be an experience you will never forget - for better or for worse. God can work miracles even with lobotomized agnostics! smile

Did it ever occur to you that my comments to you are not really addressed to you? wink

******
I am deeply touched by your concern for my soul and the souls of others like me.  Is that why you constantly call me insulting names and rage at me with threats of God’s vengeance?  Because you truly CARE that I need to be saved?

Thankyou, Thankyou! I’m going to get tonsured and join the priesthood this very afternoon!

Only one thing in the history of the Universe could possibly be termed “a miracle” and that was The Big Bang itself--and only because we have no way (yet)of seeking and examining what came before it and caused it. Everything from the first “10 to the -100th” of a second after the BB until now is governed by the laws of physics, only some of which are understood.

If you want to say that it was God who made the Big Bang happen, well, I certainly cannot and will not dispute that.  And I have no problem with that--that’s the Deist position.

However, to say that He/She has had to constantly interfere and “adjust” things after the Big Ban denies the very concept of His/Her “Omniscience” and “Omnipotence”.  In other words, interventions ("miracles") imply that God could not see the implications of The Big Bang, and did a lousy job of crafting it.  Both of these inferences about “miracles” deny Omniscience and Omnipotence. And, according to most religions, are sacreligious to infer God as less then All-Knowing and All-Powerful.

In other words, Omniscience means He/She knows I’m typing these words even before I do.

I’m not talking only to you “GodSend”, but to people who may think your arguments make some sense.

Have a nice day.

Reply to this | Report this

By DuaneJ, July 12, 2007 at 2:59 am #
(3 comments total)

Funny that I can’t find any trace of a discussion on the opening lines of Hughes’ piece.
1) WHAT would have happened, if Israel would have been overrun by the peace loving armies of Egypt and Syria?
2) how does that relate to how Israel treated the civilian population in areas it conquered in 1967?

By the way, before everyone jumps on to their hobby horse, we’re talking Israel 1973, so all your preconceptions about the horrible situation in the West Bank, anno 2007, don’t fly.

Reply to this | Report this

By abraham, July 12, 2007 at 12:01 am #
(Unregistered commenter)

FREE PALESTINE!

BITCHES!

http://hypocalypse.com

Reply to this | Report this

By GodSend, July 11, 2007 at 11:03 pm #
(525 comments total)

Truly, Windbag, I have no intention of twisting your arm (or worse) about ANYTHING - or anyone else’s. I’m not the violent type. Furthermore, you are welcome to remain an agnostic Windbag for the rest of your life.

It’s possible (by God’s Grace) that He will decide to make you aware of His existence - you should be so lucky! That is likely to be an experience you will never forget - for better or for worse. God can work miracles even with lobotomized agnostics! smile

Did it ever occur to you that my comments to you are not really addressed to you? wink

Reply to this | Report this

By Narad Naia Volia, July 11, 2007 at 9:13 pm #
(Unregistered commenter)

When one moves to the radical left, apparently they are not moving in a strait line but a circle. The author of this antisemitic diatribe has come full circle. Chris Hedges is not a progressive or even a left-wing ideologue he is a right-wing fascist. After WWI Hitler was also blaming the Jews for the war. If there are any on this blog who still believe that the Holocaust even took place, they should recount what the consequences of blaming the Jews were. Really! If those of you who are not openly white supremacists really believe this kind of antisemitism is progressive you are only kidding yourselves.

Reply to this | Report this

By the 1Sgt, July 11, 2007 at 4:19 pm #
(96 comments total)

#86020 by Pein Tellus on 7/11 at 2:05 pm
(Unregistered commenter)

Do the American people know then that they are slaves or don’t they care. Perhaps they are so totally owned, that they can’t (or aren’t allowed to) care.

==================================================

All of that and add in lack of a proper education for the masses and additionally a bit of naivety. You can also pepper in the fact we don’t have the history that Europe does in that we have never been subjugated before. People here don’t know what it is like to have an occupying army on their soil, abusing the citizenry, so consequently they are not so jealous of their democracy. Most Americans who are world traveled, well educated know...the rest are waking up.

That’s what the people on the pro-zionist camp are trying to prevent through the information warfare currently ongoing.

Reply to this | Report this

By rsmatesic, July 11, 2007 at 3:06 pm #
(17 comments total)

Cyrena:

Administrator follies, part II.  If you attempt to find this article by plugging “Hedges” into the site’s search engine, you get almost forty hits (articles with links), dating from May ‘06 thru Muly ‘07, but, wonders never cease, not this one.  A mere coincidence, perhaps?

Reply to this | Report this

By Inherit The Wind, July 11, 2007 at 2:47 pm #
(Unregistered commenter)

GodSend on 7/11 at 1:45 pm
(78 comments total)

Windbag, I said earlier that the lobotomy of your mind and heart was successful - you keep proving it with every foul breath and post that arrives here. You understand NOTHING! One day you will be on your knees before your Creator (that’ll be the end of your agnosticism) - and the witness of your words and actions on Earth will condemn you and reason will not save you! You’ll have eternity to find a reason for having been so dense!

***************************

Yeah, and Santy Claws is gonna leave me a lump of coal.

The man who says “Believe as I do or God will damn you,” will soon be saying, “Believe as I do or I will kill you.”-- Voltaire

That, ‘GodSend’, is my opinion of you.  That in your frustration at not being able to convince people like me to follow your superstition, you will then advocate using violence against me to FORCE me to conform and terrorize others into conformity.

You are only a step or two away from becoming a “Christian” version of an Islamic Jihadist--like Eric Rudolph, who justifies his murder and terrorism as “God’s Will”.

Save your boogie-man fairy-tale threats for those who are frightened by such medieval nonsense.  It’s just a noisy passing of gas to me.

Reply to this | Report this

By Pein Tellus, July 11, 2007 at 2:05 pm #
(Unregistered commenter)

 In 1700s, the French philosopher Condorcet asserted that the gullibility and stupidity of the vast majority of the population would enable a cunning minority to indoctrinate them at will and so create an elite oligarchy behind a ‘democratic front.’ In 1972 Senator William Fulbright declared that the United States was “subservient” to Israel and bore “a very great share of the responsibility for the continuation of Middle East violence.” Fulbright added that “The Israelis control politics in Congress and in the Senate” - i.e., in America. For daring to speak out and tell the truth to the American public, Jewish Americans voted together to kick Fulbright out of the Senate.  In confirming that AIPAC was responsible for Fulbright’s defeat at the polls, a former head of AIPAC boasted: “The Jews in America gathered to oust Senator Charles Percy and the (other) American politicians got the message.” AIPAC also ousted Congressman Paul Findley who had also dared to speak out about the power of the Israeli Lobby and the omnipotent control they had over America and the lives of its citizens.
Somebody please correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t Ariel Sharon the former Prime Minister of Israel comment to someone in Israel before his stroke (that): “We own America and America knows it”? Being a foreigner I didn’t know exactly what the English word “own” meant so I looked the word up in the dictionary. According to the Oxford Universal Dictionary “Own” is defined as: “to make one’s own, to seize, win, gain; to adopt as one’s own, to possess; to have as one’s function or business.”
So does this mean that Ariel Sharon said:  “America is ours and America knows it”?
Pope John II articulated in 1999 that “the human race is facing forms of slavery which are new and more subtle than those of the past.”
Do the American people know then that they are slaves or don’t they care. Perhaps they are so totally owned, that they can’t (or aren’t allowed to) care.

Reply to this | Report this

By GodSend, July 11, 2007 at 1:45 pm #
(525 comments total)

Windbag, I said earlier that the lobotomy of your mind and heart was successful - you keep proving it with every foul breath and post that arrives here. You understand NOTHING! One day you will be on your knees before your Creator (that’ll be the end of your agnosticism) - and the witness of your words and actions on Earth will condemn you and reason will not save you! You’ll have eternity to find a reason for having been so dense! smile

Reply to this | Report this

By Inherit The Wind, July 11, 2007 at 12:56 pm #
(Unregistered commenter)

Hey, Sgt. Schultz:

Do you really think for example we Americans have not noticed the former Vice-Presidential candidate Joe Lieberman, who is Jewish, and is a ZIONIST is advocating US attacks on Iran, US continuing the Iraq war although he WAS a democrat and then switched parties to Independent so he could get back in when he was beat in the primaries last election?

You are so two dimensional that you may not believe that I detest Lieberman just as much as you do, and for nearly the same reasons: Advocating unwarranted attacks on Iran, supporting Mad King George without question, dishonoring the party he was a member of for so long by going independent.

But “I know nuz-sing!” (Apologies to the late John Banner, a great funny-man)

Reply to this | Report this

By Inherit The Wind, July 11, 2007 at 12:51 pm #
(Unregistered commenter)

by GodSend on 7/11 at 8:10 am
(77 comments total)

Well, Windbag, you did it again! - filled this space with enough hot air to float us all to the moon wink

I’m going to let a dead man answer you (and all other agnostics and atheists), who is ‘on the other side’. His name is Theodor Austin-Sparks:

“We were saying that these are not just abstract ideas, this is positive, practical, experimental knowledge… In the very simplest way, with the greatest of ease, light just begins to filter through, and you do not know exactly when it happened, but you are able to say,

I see now!

That is the nature of spiritual knowledge. It is always like that, it will ever be like that. It is life, it is spirituality. It is that you are in living union with God, and not as merely a fact but a process, you are continually living in union with God.”

I can’t improve on that except to say: I, too, once was blind - but now I SEE! (by God’s Amazing Grace)

*******************************

Let me translate that gibberish/hash for you: “Stop thinking if you what to know God. Don’t be what ‘He’ made you, a rational, reasoning being. Don’t use ‘His’ greatest gift to you--your brain. And when you achieve that absolute perfection of non-thinking, you’ll be dead and that’s the best thing you can be--dead. Cross my heart and hope to die!”

And you buy into that...stuff.  I don’t. I recognize it for what it is: vile and evil masquerading as goodness.

As a mean-spirited, hate-filled insult-spitting, threat-hurling miserable excuse for a human being, you have a lot of damn gall saying you were blind and now you see.

I suggest you tend to your own business before you tend to mine.  I can’t imagine any god seeing grace in you.

Reply to this | Report this

By the 1Sgt, July 11, 2007 at 10:08 am #
(96 comments total)

#85784 by Inherit The Wind on 7/10 at 7:12 pm
(Unregistered commenter)

Sgt Schultz on 7/10 at 4:38 pm
(17 comments total)
*****************

Translation of Sgt. Schultz:

“Ven VE are in powah, all you Chews are goink to be in BIC t-r-rubble! Ve are goink to fix you GUT!”

SCHULTZ!  VAT ARE YOU DOINK?!?!?

====================================================

Awe that’s too bad ITW, you ran out of gas so you resort to the “Name-Calling” technique in the Hasbara Manual.

You cannot respond to the truth more Americans are having increasing difficulty with their government’s current foreign policy of supporting a state which does not espouse American ideals. You see, we have turned the stone over and what we see is not pretty.

Do you really think for example we Americans have not noticed the former Vice-Presidential candidate Joe Lieberman, who is Jewish, and is a ZIONIST is advocating US attacks on Iran, US continuing the Iraq war although he WAS a democrat and then switched parties to Independent so he could get back in when he was beat in the primaries last election?

War for Israel is not good for America ITW. We Americans are starting to figure out the big con game.

Albeit maybe late…

Reply to this | Report this

By GodSend, July 11, 2007 at 9:52 am #
(525 comments total)

PS Here’s an answer to the ‘Sayanim’ question:

http://www.the7thfire.com/new_world_order/zionism/moss ad_local_assistants_or_sayanim.htm

Reply to this | Report this

By GodSend, July 11, 2007 at 9:48 am #
(525 comments total)

On the topic: What a “friend” we have in Israel:

http://www.sandersresearch.com/index.php?option=com_co ntent&task=view&id=1278

Anyone know what ‘Sayanim’ are? Better find out what they are and who they are!

Reply to this | Report this

By GodSend, July 11, 2007 at 8:10 am #
(525 comments total)

Well, Windbag, you did it again! - filled this space with enough hot air to float us all to the moon wink

I’m going to let a dead man answer you (and all other agnostics and atheists), who is ‘on the other side’. His name is Theodor Austin-Sparks:

We were saying that these are not just abstract ideas, this is positive, practical, experimental knowledge, the result of the free action of Divine life in us, the mystery and wonder, the marvel of Divine life within which knows no limitations. Thus, fullness is governed by two things. Firstly by life and spirituality. Those two are one, one is but the definition of the other. Life and spirituality; it is spiritual life, it is a spiritual state which that life produces. It is related entirely to all spiritual things, related to association with God, union with God, knowledge of God. That life makes the link and defines the nature of spirituality. Fullness is based upon that. If any of us live on the basis of nature, in the measure in which we do that, we are unspiritual and miss God. If, for instance, you are just trying to get round and get over the immensities of God’s thoughts by reason, projecting your head into that realm and trying to comprehend with natural reason, you will not only do yourself harm and bring yourself to despair, but you will miss the way entirely. This requires the renewed, re-born spirit indwelt and taught by the Holy Spirit. You people who call yourselves thinking people, your reaction is, Where does human reason come in? Is it not a Divine gift? Yes; but it is an after instrument. You do not begin with it. You have to have it in order to communicate with other people who are on the same level, rational people. To be able to say to others what God has shown to you requires your brain, but you never get that revelation by means of your brain. You will undo yourself if you try, and you will miss the way. So it is on any other line of the natural, we will miss the way. How often we have been brought to the point where in despair we have said, I give it up, I cannot see, I cannot understand! and we have fallen down before the Lord and said, I have extended myself to the last fraction to try and understand and apprehend; now I give it up unless you show and reveal it to me. In the very simplest way, with the greatest of ease, light just begins to filter through, and you do not know exactly when it happened, but you are able to say,

I see now!

That is the nature of spiritual knowledge. It is always like that, it will ever be like that. It is life, it is spirituality. It is that you are in living union with God, and not as merely a fact but a process, you are continually living in union with God.

I can’t improve on that except to say: I, too, once was blind - but now I SEE! (by God’s Amazing Grace)

Reply to this | Report this

By Robert, July 11, 2007 at 7:37 am #
(641 comments total)

July 10, 2007

“Whatever AIPAC Wants, AIPAC Gets”

Democratic Defectors and the Israel Lobby

By JERRY KROTH

“Bloggers called them “traitor Democrats”, and the descriptor is apropos. At the time of the vote, sixty-two percent of the American people favored a time-table for a withdrawal, but, more significantly, “seventy percent” of Democrats were so inclined. Voting against this burgeoning tide of anger betrayed the will of the people and party that put these Democrats in office.

Curiously, all of the traitor democrats were huge career recipients of funds from the Israeli lobby. If we took ten Democratic apostates and compared them to ten Democrats who stood by the voters, pro-Israeli PAC contributions were “ten times” greater for the turncoats than those who stayed with their constituencies ($322,000 versus $34,000 on average).

To be specific: Carl Levin, outspoken critic of the war and, we thought, a loyal supporter of the new regime to end it, defected and blithely turned his back on his Michigan support base. Despite his strident anti-war rhetoric, the Grand Rapids Independent reports Levin has supported Bush all the way “consistently funding the war and not introducing any meaningful legislation to bring it closer to an end.” Practically unknown to his constituents, Levin is one of the largest beneficiaries of Pro-Israeli PAC funds collecting $600,000 in career contributions according to the Washington Report on Mideast Affairs.

Barbara Boxer, Denis Kucinich, and Earl Blaumenauer, all opponents of the war, collectively got $73,000, but turncoat-democrats, Dan Durbin, Max Baucus, and Frank Lautenberg scooped up in excess of a million plus untold benes like travel funds.

What comes out in the wash is the best PAC money can buy: Three months before we invaded Iraq, a New York Times poll showed only 30 percent of the American people favored an all-out invasion, but the Israeli lobby (AIPAC) did, and it prevailed. Hardly a sprinkling of Americans favored the “surge”, a meager fourteen percent, but AIPAC did, and the surge is surging as we speak. Fewer than thirty percent of Democrats supported that no-strings-budget, but AIPAC did, and the conclusion plays out another hackneyed chorus of “Whatever AIPAC wants, AIPAC gets.”

In 1992, the director of the Israeli lobby, David Steiner, was surreptitiously recorded bragging about playing a role in selecting the Secretary of State and what he got for Israel: “Besides the $10 billion in loan guarantees which was a fabulous thing, $3 billion in foreign, in military aid, and I got almost a billion dollars in other goodies that people don’t even know about!” When the tape was made public, Steiner resigned, but it underscored the incredible power, access, and influence this lobby has.”

http://www.counterpunch.org/kroth07102007.html

-----------------------------------------

SURPRISE...SURPRISE...SURPRISE....!!!

ITS ALL ABOUT PRO-ISRAEL PAC CONTRIBUTIONS. OUR POLITICIANS ARE SO CORRUPT AND MANIPULATED.

OUR POLITICIAN’S SHACKLES & CHAINS ARE CLUTTERING THE HALLS OF CONGRESS!

ONE DOES NOT HAVE TO WONDER WHO IS RUNNING & MANIPULATING OUR GOVERNMENT POLICIES?

WHAT A DAMN SHAME!

Reply to this | Report this

By cyrena, July 11, 2007 at 5:02 am #
(4160 comments total)

#85743 by the 1Sgt on 7/10 at 4:53 pm

1Sgt you responded:
• Hi Clem, no it’s an oversight, his letter is quite long and actually lists many other things. Here is the link to the whole text for everyone to read:

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/worldview/story/0,,8457 25,00.html

And, I just wanted to say…thanks for the link. I’ve been looking for this, and could never find the entire thing in one piece.

Much obliged.

Reply to this | Report this

By cyrena, July 11, 2007 at 12:14 am #
(4160 comments total)

re: Comment#85770 by rsmatesic on 7/10 at 6:22 pm

Well rsmatesic,

So far, no answer to the questions you posed here:

Would the TDig editor please explain why it was decided to remove this article from the home page a week (or less) after its publication--and thereby divert attention away from the discussion--while allowing plenty of other stuff that predated it (Hitchens, et al) to stay put?  Also, the name of the person or persons who made the decision would be appreciated.

And, I don’t know. I’m just a reader/commentor like the rest of us, but I did notice myself, that this didn’t stay up as long as most. I’m not sure there was anything sinister involved, since it IS still accessible, but you’re right that it isn’t on the home page, and a few of the “regulars” seemed sort of pissed about the article in general, and the comments may have been making them uneasy. Sometimes truth gets too truthful.

Reply to this | Report this

By Inherit The Wind, July 10, 2007 at 11:43 pm #
(Unregistered commenter)

As I said before, first try to get rid of that nasty case of agnosticism!
*******************

Translation: Give up what makes you human.  Not in this life.

As human beings, our competitive advantage that allows our survival is loosely called our “intelligence”, but that’s not precise. 

It is our ability to reason, to collect facts and apply logic to them that makes us masters of the Earth (good or bad masters is another topic).  Down the millenia it has allowed us to master fire, agriculture, basic machinery (levers, wheels and winches), and move from hunter-gathers to growers of food and builders of cities.  Faith didn’t bring this about: Reason did.  Try building a house using faith instead of reason!

The computer that GodSend types on was not created by faith, but by men and women asking a thousand, a million tiny questions: “Does this belong?” The scientists, working with “Just a theory”, a theory with less evidence than Evolution, invented the semi-conductors that make these computers possible.

Faith didn’t build these--Faith slowed down their creation by over a thousand years.  Yes, GodSend, your kind of “my way or the highway Christianity” destroyed the greatest sources of knowledge and burned the men and women who would have moved us forward. They denied our human nature: The Reasoning and progress stopped for a millennium.

Agnosticism uses this basic reasoning ability to ask the same questions your faith “answers”: Who are we? Where do we come from? Why is Right right and Wrong wrong?  Why are we Here?

But unlike your blind, hateful superstition, Agnosticism uses what makes us Human and kept us alive to research those questions: Our ability to collect facts and apply logic to them--to reason.

Reason is isn’t faith. It’s the opposite of faith, the enemy of faith, the shining light that leads us away from the darkness and black pit of faith. Faith always leads to killing people as a means of worshipping God.  Whether it’s Aztecs chopping out a heart, Christians burning heretics at the stake, or Islamic Jihadists bombing a pizza parlor full of children, all came to their pointless brutal murders via FAITH!

The question isn’t when will I give up Agnosticism? The question is when will YOU use the one thing that makes you different than everything else alive on Earth--your ability to reason? 

I know, I know--reason is wasted on you.  You’re a victim GodSend, but you are such an example of walking fertilizer it’s hard for me to care.

Reply to this | Report this

By GodSend, July 10, 2007 at 10:42 pm #
(525 comments total)

Windbag, I can only conclude from your last reply that you had the same lobotomy of the mind and heart as ‘Lefty’. No doubt all Zionists are Sickos! Perhaps repetition will cure you both. Repeat these phrases (while you’re thinking of Palestinians) until you have an epiphany:

Jews - YES, Zionists - NO!
Diaspora - YES, (Greater) Israel - NO!
Truth - YES, Lies - NO!
Transparency - YES, Deception - NO!
Golden Rule - YES, Golden Calf - NO!
Love - YES, Hate - NO!
Life - YES, Death - NO!
God - YES, Satan - NO!

With God’s Grace, you will begin to SEE! (might take a while). As I said before, first try to get rid of that nasty case of agnosticism!

Reply to this | Report this

By Inherit The Wind, July 10, 2007 at 7:39 pm #
(Unregistered commenter)

GodSend on 7/10 at 7:22 pm
(70 comments total)

Hey, Windbag! There is a photo on my website with a black hat Jew holding up a sign that reads: “Zionism is Nazism”. What, do you suppose, he meant by that? You, ‘Lefty’, Sharon, Olmert and all the other Zionists are the “Sieg Heil” Neonazis in the world - and are likely to be responsible for the real Holocaust, yet to come (unless the Jews of this world put an unceremonious end to your ‘Greater Israel’ ambitions). Of course, Yahweh has already promised to do much worse than that to the rebellious house of Israel! Being melted in His furnace could ruin your whole day!

*********

Let me guess: You and Sgt Schultz plan to be His instrument in this, right? His hammer and His sword?  Just like the “Islamic Martyrs” (terrorist suicide bombers).

Threats of murder and genocide from “GodSend"--that’s debating for you.  “Ve are goink to get you CHEWS!”

Reply to this | Report this

By GodSend, July 10, 2007 at 7:22 pm #
(525 comments total)

Hey, Windbag! There is a photo on my website with a black hat Jew holding up a sign that reads: “Zionism is Nazism”. What, do you suppose, he meant by that? You, ‘Lefty’, Sharon, Olmert and all the other Zionists are the “Sieg Heil” Neonazis in the world - and are likely to be responsible for the real Holocaust, yet to come (unless the Jews of this world put an unceremonious end to your ‘Greater Israel’ ambitions). Of course, Yahweh has already promised to do much worse than that to the rebellious house of Israel! Being melted in His furnace could ruin your whole day! wink

Reply to this | Report this

By Inherit The Wind, July 10, 2007 at 7:12 pm #
(Unregistered commenter)

Sgt Schultz on 7/10 at 4:38 pm
(17 comments total)

Many people like you are still in the old paradigm and it won’t work anymore. People are not scared...it just doesn’t work anymore. A disagreement does not make one an anti-semite. You really need to remember that and I certainly take you to task on your charge because it is baseless, but it does show YOU for what you are.

Like I’ve said before...your types are in for a Nasty, Nasty surprise.

*****************

Translation of Sgt. Schultz:

“Ven VE are in powah, all you Chews are goink to be in BIC t-r-rubble! Ve are goink to fix you GUT!”

SCHULTZ!  VAT ARE YOU DOINK?!?!?

Reply to this | Report this

By cyrena, July 10, 2007 at 7:09 pm #
(4160 comments total)

Comment#85746 by the 1Sgt on 7/10 at 5:09 pm

1Sgt:

Excellent post for which to thank you.  I particularly affirm the “mind one’s own business position” and the “stay out of squabbles” position.

I won’t repaste your sample from George Washington’s speech, but it’s hard to find more appropriate and legitimate documentation, for just how far we have strayed from that advice that he gave. Hopefully readers and posters will take a moment to sort through what that actually means.

The irony and the paradox here and now, is of course the fact that the leadership of America does in fact believe that EVERYTHING is “their business” no matter where on the planet, that “business” is. I guess that’s the proverbial answer to the question on how America’s OIL, came to be under IRAQ’S SOIL.

Once THAT happened, (when OUR oil got under IRAQ’S soil) we proceeded to INITIATE all of these “squabbles”. (or, at least the 43rd george did, with help from below)and now here we are.

Anyway, while none of us actually subscribes to the “isolationist” ideology, (which is backward and self-defeating in the 21st Century)a generous dose of “minding our own business” is the only thing that’s gonna save us right now. If that’s still a possibility.

Reply to this | Report this

By rsmatesic, July 10, 2007 at 6:22 pm #
(17 comments total)

Would the TDig editor please explain why it was decided to remove this article from the home page a week (or less) after its publication--and thereby divert attention away from the discussion--while allowing plenty of other stuff that predated it (Hitchens, et al) to stay put?  Also, the name of the person or persons who made the decision would be appreciated.

Reply to this | Report this

By the 1Sgt, July 10, 2007 at 5:09 pm #
(96 comments total)

#85726 by uh....clem on 7/10 at 3:57 pm
(Unregistered commenter)

there is an “isolationist” slant to your thinking, which is fine by me, but try telling that to the people who have controlled US foreign polity for over a century—the (economic) ruling class. they know what side their bread is buttered on.
====================================================
Clem,

It may seem that way. Really, my position is more of a “mind your own business” and “stay out of squables” more than it is isolationist.

Also, my country does not have a responsibility to defend an aggressor, much less in perpetuity. As a tax payer here, I do not identify with that at all. as a citizen, I definitely don’t because it has materially changed my way of life.

You might be interested to know even 200 years ago, George Washington gave sound advice as to how we, as a new nation, should conduct ourselves in our affairs with other countries. Below is a small sample of his farewell speech to the nation:

http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/washing.htm

“Observe good faith and justice towards all nations; cultivate peace and harmony with all. ....In the execution of such a plan, nothing is more essential than that permanent, inveterate antipathies against particular nations, and passionate attachments for others, should be excluded; and that, in place of them, just and amicable feelings towards all should be cultivated. The nation which indulges towards another a habitual hatred or a habitual fondness is in some degree a slave..... So likewise, a passionate attachment of one nation for another produces a variety of evils. Sympathy for the favorite nation, facilitating the illusion of an imaginary common interest in cases where no real common interest exists, and infusing into one the enmities of the other, betrays the former into a participation in the quarrels and wars of the latter without adequate inducement or justification. It leads also to concessions to the favorite nation of privileges denied to others which is apt doubly to injure the nation making the concessions; by unnecessarily parting with what ought to have been retained, and by exciting jealousy, ill-will, and a disposition to retaliate, in the parties from whom equal privileges are withheld. And it gives to ambitious, corrupted, or deluded citizens (who devote themselves to the favorite nation), facility to betray or sacrifice the interests of their own country, without odium, sometimes even with popularity; gilding, with the appearances of a virtuous sense of obligation, a commendable deference for public opinion, or a laudable zeal for public good, the base or foolish compliances of ambition, corruption, or infatuation....Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence (I conjure you to believe me, fellow-citizens) the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake, since history and experience prove that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of republican government. But that jealousy to be useful must be impartial; else it becomes the instrument of the very influence to be avoided, instead of a defense against it. Excessive partiality for one foreign nation and excessive dislike of another cause those whom they actuate to see danger only on one side, and serve to veil and even second the arts of influence on the other. Real patriots who may resist the intrigues of the favorite are liable to become suspected and odious, while its tools and dupes usurp the applause and confidence of the people, to surrender their interests.”

Reply to this | Report this

By the 1Sgt, July 10, 2007 at 4:53 pm #
(96 comments total)

#85726 by uh....clem on 7/10 at 3:57 pm
(Unregistered commenter)

to “the 1SGT”:

did you deliberately leave out the third main reason osama bin laden mentions as reasons for the attack of 9/11, assuming, btw, that he was the main culprit behind it?  OR, was it just an oversight on your part?
====================================================

Hi Clem, no it’s an oversight, his letter is quite long and actually lists many other things. Here is the link to the whole text for everyone to read:

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/worldview/story/0,,8457 25,00.html

It is just interesting to me the top things relate to Palestine and support of Israel. Of course, one could deduct the policy towards Iraq by Bush 1, Clinton and Bush 2 has been one designed to defang a threat to the region, mainly our alleged #1 “ally” in the region, Israel.

Given the US longstanding policy of backing up Israel it is really not a stretch of the imagination. Is it?

Especially now, where we see the US govt now being pointed towards de-fanging the next big threat to Israel, Iran, which if by all accounts ever used Nuclear weapons against Israel would by default annihilate a few million Muslims living in Israel and the “occupied territories”

Thank you for your comments.

Reply to this | Report this

By the 1Sgt, July 10, 2007 at 4:38 pm #
(96 comments total)

#

#85680 by Inherit The Wind on 7/10 at 1:38 pm
(Unregistered commenter)

GodSend, 1Sgt:
Repeat after me:
“Sieg Heil!”
“Sieg Heil!”
“Jude verreck!”

Got yer swastikas, skinheads?

We fought a war and put TEN MILLION men under arms to rid the world of your type.  And it is called “The Good War”.
================================================

You really need to figure out PDQ that the anti-semite charge doesn’t work anymore. Your statement really shows the error in your judgment of what is really happening in this country today...especially all over the internet, which will have an effect on the polls in Nov 2008.

Many people like you are still in the old paradigm and it won’t work anymore. People are not scared...it just doesn’t work anymore. A disagreement does not make one an anti-semite. You really need to remember that and I certainly take you to task on your charge because it is baseless, but it does show YOU for what you are.

Like I’ve said before...your types are in for a Nasty, Nasty surprise.

The good thing is Americans are in the end good judges of character and the character you and Lefty have both displayed here shows exactly what the problems are.

Reply to this | Report this

By uh....clem, July 10, 2007 at 3:57 pm #
(Unregistered commenter)

to “the 1SGT”:

did you deliberately leave out the third main reason osama bin laden mentions as reasons for the attack of 9/11, assuming, btw, that he was the main culprit behind it?  OR, was it just an oversight on your part?

as you probably recall he mentions the US and UK sanctions against Iraq which resulted in the deaths of circa one million iraqis, half of them children. perhaps that “reason” given by osama is not so convenient for your “patriotic” criticism of israel.

there is an “isolationist” slant to your thinking, which is fine by me, but try telling that to the people who have controlled US foreign polity for over a century—the (economic) ruling class. they know what side their bread is buttered on.

when a “max shields” tried to raise the issue of american imperialism, in one of the earliest threads, almost no one replied at all, for or against. i can only assume it is not a topic to be discussed, among either the broad Right or broad Left in your country. how saddening.

Reply to this | Report this

By Tony Wicher, July 10, 2007 at 3:37 pm #
(781 comments total)

Re #85592 by Left-Wing Anti-Jewish Bigtry on 7/10 at 9:16 am

There is such a thing as left-wing anti-Semitism, and I oppose it. However, only one post on this thread has been anti-Semitic, by someone calling himself Vinnie, a 9-11 conspiracy theorist whose only contribution was “Kike Zionists did 9-11.” Well, I don’t know who that was, could be a Zionist provacateur for all we know, but if you want to call him a left-wing anti-Semite it’s fine with me. There are a couple of Palestinians on this thread; most of the rest of us are American citizens with progressive leanings and strong on civil rights, as you might expect in at Robert Scheer’s Truthdig blog. Some of us are even Jewish, or partly Jewish. We abhor anti-Semitism. For example, I and my father before me have been card-carrying members of the ACLU since its foundation. I was taught by my family to spot anti-Semitism and every other form of racism from childhood. I just know I’m not anti-Semitic, and since I do hate anti-Semitism, when someone calls me anti-Semitic, that’s a mortal insult.

I say Zionism has been a terrible idea since 1890. It seemed to be justified by the Holocaust, but it led to a holocaust for Palestinians just three years later, the Nakba, which supporters of Israel now deny just as neo-Nazis like David Duke deny the Jewish Holocaust. The only remedy for this is for Israel to acknowledge and make reparations for the Nakba, and to change its laws so that Palestinians are fully equal citizens. Israel as it exists is a moral impossibility and it will not stand. If Zionist policies continue to be followed, they will ultimately lead to a second (and final) holocaust for Jewish people which will probably take the rest of civilization with it.

Reply to this | Report this

By Inherit The Wind, July 10, 2007 at 1:38 pm #
(Unregistered commenter)

GodSend, 1Sgt:
Repeat after me:
“Sieg Heil!”
“Sieg Heil!”
“Jude verreck!”

Got yer swastikas, skinheads?

We fought a war and put TEN MILLION men under arms to rid the world of your type.  And it is called “The Good War”.

Reply to this