(Part V- cont’d from previous comment)

“April 9, 1948 , Jerusalem. Irgun and Stern gang terrorists stormed an Arab suburb of Jerusalem, Dir Yashin, killing 250 Arabs, half of them women and children.

September 17, 1948 , Jerusalem. Angered by his order to readmit 8,000 Arab refugees driven from three villages near Haifa by attacks of Jewish terrorists, the Stern gang assassinated Count Folke Bernadotte, UN mediator for Palestine. Also killed in the attack was French Col. Andre Serot, chief of France’s 100-man contingent in the unarmed UN truce-observer team.”

http://www.rense.com/general77/truman.htm

http://www.tbrnews.org

(Part IV- from previous comment)
“January 3-10, 1948 , Palestine. Extensive Jewish Agency purchases of US. war surplus high explosives with which to fight Arabs were disclosed in the New York City area. While 191 tons of TNT and the more powerful M-3 were seized before shipment, 73 tons cleared New York for Palestine. The TNT shipment was accidentally discovered when longshore men loading the American Export Lines freighter “Executor” in Jersey City on January 3, dropped a box marked “industrial machinery” and while attempting to repair the box, found cans of TNT bearing US. Army markings. The “machinery” proved to be 32 1/2 tons of TNT, which the US. Customs impounded as contraband because of the ban on American arms shipments to the Middle East On January 10, the FBI was attempting to trace the source of the contraband. The Jewish Agency for Palestine acknowledged on January 10 that it had purchased 199 tons of M-3 from the War Assets Administration at the Army’s Seneca Ordnance Depot near Romulous, New York Federal and state agents recovered 126 tons from a farmhouse and trucks near Asbury Park, New Jersey, and Barclay Heights and Saugerties, New York on January 8-9 but 73 tons were believed to be en route to Palestine. The Jewish Agency called its transaction with the WAA legal, admitted having set up “Foundry Associates, Inc.” in New York with a Haganah agent in charge, to buy explo-sives for their war on the Arabs. The FBI said Leonard Weisman, president of three New York firms (Pratt Steamship Line, Material Redistribution Corporation and Paragon Design and Development Co.) gave the Haganah agent office space but did nothing illegal. WAA stopped all deliveries on unfulfilled orders on January 9 in the New York area. It said Foundry Associates, Inc., had sworn that it was a normal trader in explosives, thereby qualifying to buy the M-3, and that the export question was a US. Department of State matter.

January 5, 1948, Jerusalem. 15 Arabs were killed after Haganah bombed the Semiramis Hotel.

January 13, 1948 . Washington. The US. War Assets Administration received orders from Army Secretary Kenneth Royal to cancel its sale of 199 tons of M-3 explosive to a purchasing agent of the Jewish Agency, which got 73 tons out of the country before the rest was seized.

January 14-15, 1948 , New York The FBI arrested six Newark men on charges of trying to ship Haganah 60,000 pounds of TNT, which was seized in Jersey City after having been bought from the Letterkenny Arsenal Ordnance Depot in Chambersburg, Pennsylvania.

February 10, 1948 , Palestine. Jewish terrorist groups murdered ten Arabs near an RAF camp in central Palestine A further 23 Arabs were murdered by Jewish groups throughout Palestine

March 5, 1948 , Jerusalem. The Jewish Agency stated that large-scale Jewish arms shipments were ready in various Mediterranean ports destined for the arming of Jewish partisans in Palestine to “fight and drive out” the Arab popu-lation of what the Agency stated “was eternal Jewish land” that could not be occupied by either the British or the Arabs.

March 12, 1948 , New York Columnist Drew Pearson said in his “Washington Merry-Go-Round” column that President Harry Truman had given Democratic party leaders the following reason for holding back on enforcement of Palestine partition after having championed this in the UN last year: Russia was after a US. Army-built railroad north from the Persian Gulf, plus all Arab oil regions and the Eastern Mediterranean. On March, Pearson had stated in the same forum that President Truman had told a New York publisher that New York Jews were “disloyal” to the United States.

April 9, 1948 , Washington The US. Department of State refused to lift its embargo on arms shipments to the Middle East

April 9, 1948 , Jerusalem. Irgun and Stern gang terrorists stormed an Arab suburb of Jerusalem, Dir Yashin, killing 250 Arabs, half of them women and children.”

(Part III- continued from previous comment)

“September 9, 1947 . Hamburg, Germany. In a bitter three-hour fight aboard the “Runnymede Park,” 350 British troops completed a two-day forced debarkation of 4,300 “Exodus 1947” illegal Jewish refugees from three ships in Hamburg, Germany. First ashore yesterday were the “Ocean Vigour’s"1,406; a few put up token resistance and five passengers sustained minor injuries. Early today, the “Empire Rival’s” 1,420 passengers debarked peaceably after a home made bomb was found in the ship’s hold. Many of the “Runnymede Park’s” 1,485 passengers fiercely resisted the debarkation process and British military units had to use fire hoses and truncheons to rout resisters below decks. The Jews were taken ashore screaming “Nazis” to the British. “Runnymede Park” casualties, officially, were 24 Jews and three Britons injured, with 50 leaders of the resis-tance on that ship taken to jail. German police broke up a Hamburg demonstration by 1,300 Jewish DPs from the Bergen-Belsen camp, where British Foreign Secretary Ernest Bevin was hanged in effigy on September 7. The debarked “Exodus” passengers were interned in Poppendorf camp near Luebeck for screening by nationalities and at first all of them refused to cooperate with British authorities until the passengers were threatened with a diet of bread and water.

September 10, 1947 , Washington D.C. Secretary of State George C. Marshall disclosed that the US. had urged Britain to reconsider sending the “Exodus” group to Germany, but Britain replied that there were no facilities for housing them elsewhere because the French did not want them and there were a number of vacant detention camps in Germany.

October 13, 1947. Jerusalem. A terrorist bomb damaged the US. consulate general in Jerusalem, injuring two employees slightly. Similar bombings occurred at the Polish consulate general last night and at the Swedish con-sulate on September 27.In Baghdad, the Iraq foreign office advised an American House Foreign Affairs Committee group not to make a projected visit there because of “high feeling” over US. endorsement of partitioning of Palestine. The State Department in Washington announced it will issue no passports to American citizens who want to take part in terrorism in Palestine; Americans so involved will forfeit protection normally due US. citizens abroad.

December 30, 1947 , London. The Dollis Hill Synagogue in London was set on fire and 12 sacred scrolls were destroyed by angry British citizens who scrawled on the burned edifice “You whip-we burn.”

(Part II- continued from previous comment)

“Selections from the official chronology of terrorist activities in Palestine, compiled by the United Nations, under date of October 1, 1948

July 22, 1946 , Jerusalem. The west wing of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem which housed British Military Headquarters and other governmental offices was destroyed at 12:57 PM by explosives planted in the cellar by members of the Irgun terrorist gang. By the 26 of July, the casualties were 76 persons killed, 46 injured and 29 still missing in the rubble. The dead included many British, Arabs and Jews.

July 31, 1946, Tel Aviv. A large cache of weapons, exten-sive counterfeiting equipment and $1,000,000 in counterfeit Government bonds were discovered in Tel Aviv’s largest synagogue.

November 9 through November 13, 1946, Palestine. Nineteen persons, eleven British soldiers and policemen and eight Arab constables, were killed in Palestine during this period as Jewish terrorists, using land mines and suit-case bombs, increased their attacks on railroad stations, trains and even streetcars.

March 31, 1947, Haifa. Jewish terrorists dynamited the British-owned Shell-Mex oil tanks in Haifa, starting a fire that destroyed a quarter-mile of the waterfront The damage was set at more than $1,000,000, and the British government in Palestine has stated that the Jewish community will have to pay for it

April 25, 1947, Tel Aviv. A Stern gang squad drove a stolen post office truck loaded with explosives into the Sarona police compound and detonated it, killing five British policemen.

May 19, 1947, London. The British government protested to the United States government against American fund-raising drives for Palestine terrorist groups. The complaint referred to a “Letter to the Terrorists of Palestine” by playwright Ben Hecht, American League for a Free Palestine co-chairman, first published in the New York ‘Post” on May 15. The ad said, “We are out to raise millions for you.”

July 23, 1947, Haifa. Haganah sank the British transport “Empire Lifeguard” in Haifa harbor as it was discharging 300 Jewish immigrants who had officially been admitted to Palestine under quota. Sixty-five immigrants were killed and 40 were wounded. The British were able to refloat the ship.

July 26, 1947, Palestine. Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, announced from his secret headquarters that Haganah had planned the King David Hotel bombing in Jerusalem on July 22, 1946 in which 91 persons were killed.

August 5, 1947, England. Anti-Semitic outbreaks slackened after five days of rock throwing, window-smashing and other incidents including daubing Jewish businesses with swastikas and numerous assaults on British Jews. These incidents occurred in Liverpool, Manchester, Cardiff (Wales), Leeds, London and Birmingham as retaliation for the murder of two British sergeants in Palestine. Thirty-eight persons were arrested in Liverpool but in the main, the British police ignored the rioters and permitted them to run their course.

August 14, 1947, Geneva. The UN Special Subcom-mittee on Palestine returned to Geneva after a seven-day tour of DP camps in Austria and Germany. The tour took the group to Munich, Vienna, Berlin and Hamburg. In Berlin it heard reports August 13 from General Lucius D. Clay, US. Military Governor. Clay testified that anti-Semitism is growing very sharply among the ranks of the US. military units in the US. Zones of Austria and Germany because of the violent, asocial and criminal behavior of the Eastern European DPs, all of whom are Jewish. He recommended that these DPs be allowed to enter Palestine before some incident with American sol-diers, who have been beaten, robbed and killed by Jewish DPs, leads to severe spontaneous reactions on the part of other soldiers. His views were seconded very strongly by Sir Brian Robertson, Deputy British Military Governor.”

Secret CIA Documents On
Truman & Zionist Terrorism

http://www.foia.cia.gov/browse
Excerpt from the secret CIA assessment submitted to President Truman
7-14-7

“November 28, 1947 on the eve of the UN “vote” and titled “The Consequences of the Partition of Palestine” (Now Declassified document):

“Armed hostilities between Jews and Arabs will break out if the UN General Assembly accepts the plan to partition Palestine into Jewish and Arab states....The Jews are expected to be able to mobilize some 200,000 fighters in Palestine.. The Jewish armed groups in Palestine are well equipped and well trained in commando tactics. Initially they will achieve marked success over the Arabs because of superior organization and equipment....The US by supporting partition has already lost much of its prestige in the Near East In the event that partition is imposed on Palestine, the resulting conflict will seriously disturb the social, economic, and political stability of the Arab world, and US commercial and strategic interests will be dangerously jeopardized. ..The poverty, unrest, and hopelessness upon which Communist propaganda thrives will increase throughout the Arab world. (and later in the document, p. 6) US prestige on the other hand has steadily decreased with each new indication that the US supports the Zionists. The good will enjoyed by the US at the time of the Roosevelt-Ibn Saud Conference and following backing of Lebanese and Syrian claims for independence was short lived as a result of President Truman’s support of Jewish immigration to Palestine and of the Anglo-American Committee report. Because of the long standing cultural ties between the US and the Arab world, the friendly role that the US played in the achievement of Syrian and Lebanese independence, the partial dependence of certain Arab states on oil royalties from US companies, and the promise of increased royalties in the future, the Arab states would like to maintain friendly relations with the US. ... Little of this (positive) development will be possible, if the US supports a Jewish state in Palestine.”

Truman helped establish Israel (actually was the critical element in arm-twisting countries to vote for partition which was contrary to the UN Charter of self determination for native people). Zionist propaganda claimed that this support was because of deeply held beliefs in that cause (Jews were persecuted so need a country of their own). But facts are otherwise.

Truman himself admitted in a private cabinet meeting that he is doing it for money and votes. And here is a relevant quote from a senior member of the State Department during the Truman era:

“when the election was coming up in 1946 in New York, the group of New York Jews called upon Mr. Truman. [Alan Taylor, op. cit. p.93] Emmanuel Cellar was the head of this committee. Rabbi Steven Wise and several others were in it. They called upon Mr. Truman and said, “We have just been talking with Mr. Thomas Dewey. He is willing to come out and declare for a Jewish state, and we are going to turn our money and urge the Jews to vote for him unless you beat him to it.” Then Emmanuel Cellar pounded upon Mr. Truman’s desk and said, “And if you don’t come out for a Jewish state we’ll run you out of town.” This, I’m sure, is the threat that Mr. Truman refers to in his book, saying, “The extreme Zionists threatened me.” They were Emmanuel Cellar, Rabbi Steven Wise, etc. These are not the extreme Zionists, these are just the run of the mill Zionists. What Mr. Truman did was to cave in to these threats that they would support Mr. Dewey. In that way he got the Jewish money and the Jewish vote. His decision was not made from the point of view of what was going to result in the Middle East, but what was going on in the United States.”

http://www.rense.com/general77/truman.htm

(Part I- continued in next comment)

#86759 by Inherit The Wind on 7/13 at 6:48 pm
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I’m American, not Israeli.  AMERICAN! My loyalty is first to America, not Israel.  But that doesn’t mean I am willing to see Israel destroyed.
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Again ITW....I am not a Nazi, no need to call me Sgt Schultz or imagine any zig heils. This is your emotions getting the best of you or your programmed responses.

These questions usually touch a nerve with people like you. But you see, I caught you red handed: Look at your statement again.

Your loyalty is “first” to America huh? Is there a choice? Is there a ranking? Who is second? Why should there be a second?

Again, given the choice of survival for the United States or Israel, which do you choose? Here, let’s make it simple...United States way of life and country destroyed or Israel destroyed.

Which is it?

It’s a no-brainer for most people who are US citizens and are born here.

I ask this for a very specific reason.

Elders of Zionism debate ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, furthering Jewish domination in America, Europe

By: Khalid Amayreh in Occupied East Jerusalem

07/12/07

http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/cgi-bin/blogs/voices.ph p/2007/07/12/p18263#more18263

{Zionist leaders from around the world are debating ways and means to effect further ethnic cleansing of Palestinians in the West Bank and East Jerusalem as well as consolidating Jewish influence and domination in the western hemisphere, especially North American and Europe.

Participating in the three-day conference, organized by the Jewish People Policy Planning Institute (JPPPI), are leaders of major Jewish organizations in the United States and Canada as well academics, rabbis and Jewish business tycoons from around the world.

....

One paper to be discussed during the conference, entitled “The Jewish People in 2030,” suggests that the world is unlikely to see a significant increase in the number of Jews.

...

According to the Israeli media, participants, dubbed as the crème de le crème of the Jewish people, are discussing three main themes: growing western opposition to the Israeli occupation of Palestine, which many delegates viewed as expression of “anti-Semitism,” strengthening Israel’s Jewish identity, an implicit reference to Israeli efforts and plans to check Palestinian demographic growth, and assimilation of Jews in the West.

Speakers have castigated “voices critical of Israel” at the American arena, an apparent reference to a recent study by two prominent American academics which claimed that the American policy in the Middle East was largely determined by Israel and its powerful Jewish lobby and also to the recent publication of a book, carrying the same message, by former President Jimmy Carter.

According to reporters covering the conference (Palestinian reporters are barred from accessing West Jerusalem) , Zionist leaders from North America argued that “a wise but effective approach” ought to be adopted in order to isolate “these non-conformist voices” and forestall the possibility of “snowballing.”

“We should do everything possible to prevent these voices from evolving into a phenomenon, but without appearing as silencing freedom of speech,” Dennis Ross, President Clinton’s former peace envoy to the Middle East reportedly said. Ross is the JPPPI Chairman.
....

With regard to “Israel’s shrinking demographic advantage in Palestine,” Zionist leaders reportedly proposed a “set of measures” to check the “worrying trend,” including encouraging higher birth rates among Jews by offering financial and other inducements, exploring ways and means to lower the Arab birth rate especially in Israel proper and encouraging Palestinians to emigrate as well as promulgating laws that would strengthen Israel’s Jewish identity.

Some speakers suggested that economic and financial inducements be channeled exclusively to Jews in Israel through special non-governmental agencies in order to avoid the appearance of adopting discriminatory policies against Israel’s Arab minority. Arabs in Israel constitute nearly a quarter of the country’s population.

The conference was due to debate the contentious issue of anti-Semitism.

Some Zionist leaders, like former Israeli Prime Minister Benyamin Netanyahu, reportedly suggested that Israel and Zionism stood to actually benefit from the anti-Jewish and anti-Israeli atmospheres in Europe and even in North America.

Netanyahu’s argued that anti-Semitism had always been and continued to be “a key reason” behind “the return of Jews to their ancestral land."}

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#86818 by cyrena on 7/14 at 1:29 am
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#86592 by the 1Sgt on 7/13 at 6:58 am

1Sgt,

Thanks for sharing your Saudia Arabia experience. I actually DO like collecting this kind of information. (an academic pursuit).
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Hello Cyrena, you are most welcome. I have many other stories to tell about that place. I think you are right on target about that special relationship the bushies have with the royal family. The one that is really interesting is Prince Bandar’s coaching of the president to run prior to the 2000 race. Bush the father asked the prince to fly out to Texas to give his own son some counsel. HUM....

Now this poses some other interesting thoughts. The bushies VALUE what the royal family says? Does the prince give the arab point of view in the arab-israeli conflict? Was the POV valued? Does it matter at all? Was the prince called on to give his opinion on attacking Iraq? Would the occupation issues have been discussed? Soooo many questions…

As to your burka comment with the Lt Col refusing to wear...The US women I know who went on trips had zero problem wearing it. Actually everyone involved thought it was hilarious! We even took pictures of how ridiculous we looked. You can imagine we saw it as a “costume” for a Halloween party. The guys would joke/tease he women about having to “sit in the back seat” (women are not allowed to drive).

Did you note the response from ITW on my very simple question regarding survival of our nation? Seemed like a no brainer to me, but as you can see, there are allegiance problems for people like ITW. He answered the question perfectly to my satisfaction and I expected it. I’ve asked it before and I get the same response from most of them, albeit they normally avoid answering it till the end. It’s pretty simple to me. If given the choice of survival as a nation I would chose my country, the United States.

#86592 by the 1Sgt on 7/13 at 6:58 am

1Sgt,

Thanks for sharing your Saudia Arabia experience. I actually DO like collecting this kind of information. (an academic pursuit). And, I’ve heard from many others, about the “ways” of Saudi Arabia. There are also several new books out, and one in particular that I found fascinating, which is “America’s Kingdom: Mythmaking on the Saudi Oil Frontier”, by Robert Vitalis. It provides the entire sordid history, of the developement of US relations with the Saudis, including the documented evidence that the US, in the form of the same Oilarchy that runs the government now, has been nearly 100% responsible for the Saudi State, as well as all of those Kings and Princes who reside there.

Anyway, your reports are similar to others that I’ve read and/or spoken to. I’ve never been there myself, because of the very reasons you’ve mentioned...it’s not a place where an ordinary person “visits”, and it’s not welcoming to many. (Prof Vitalis had to “sneak in” to get the material for his book). So no, we wouldn’t be “allowed” in. But for military, (such as you) as well as for the many CONTRACTORS, that have done time in the place, I hear all similar tales.

I remember reading of a huge controversy some years ago, for a female Air Force pilot who was being harrassed about wearing the Veil. Why in God or Allah’s name, should she - Western military personnel- have to comply with such traditions? In theory, it’s a reasonable question, and in reality, it comes back to the same answer for the problem to begin with, which is that we are somewhere else, where the traditions, and culture, and yes....even most of the people, are rigid and backward. (not all, but most) So, that’s definitely part of it. If we weren’t there, and didn’t HAVE this “military presence”, we wouldn’t run into this hostility. I know it sounds simplistic, but that really is the bottom line.

Most important though, is the very DIFFERENT treatment that the Bush family gets from the Saudis, as well as all of the extended family members, like Cheney, and a few others. They are ALWAYS well treated by the Saudi Royals, and that’s the reason that you guys get the treatment that you do. Until 30 or so years ago, the Saudis were still living the same way they’d been living for at least 1000 years. They still haven’t made the transfer, and the world that the Carlyle Group helped sponser for them, is in no doubt part of the reason why their extravagent ways came about. I even remember back to the days when they were just coming into all of their wealth, thanks largely to the same thugs that are in power now.

(Part VII- Continued from previous comment)

USS Liberty Israeli Denial-Israeli Pilot Speaks Up

“A few days ago came the latest Israeli attempt to deny that allegations that the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty during the Seven Days War in 1967 was a cold blooded murder designed to trigger a US attack on Egypt.

The Israeli story has always been that they mistook a modern US surveillance ship flying then US flag for an Egyptian boat, not once but in multiple attacks. This excuse is not credible, as the recent BBC documentary showed. The film screened by BBC 2 in June 2003 had a US radio intercept officer recounting on camera that he heard the Israeli pilots twice warn their base that the ship was American.

They had a US commander state that US planes were on their way to Cairo in retaliation with a nuclear payload, and that, as the news unexpectedly leaked out that the ship had been destroyed by Israel, Johnson and McNamara had to personally abort the operation. It was even suggested that the White House had planned the operation with Israel, sending the ship undefended a few miles off the Gaza coastline. Now this version is confirmed from the following leak from the Israeli side. Ian Henshall, publisher http://www.911dossier.co.uk, http://www.dumpblair.co.uk

Israeli Pilot Speaks Up

http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/0693/93060 19.htm

Fifteen years after the attack, an Israeli pilot approached Liberty survivors and then held extensive interviews with former Congressman Paul N. (Pete) McCloskey about his role. According to this senior Israeli lead pilot, he recognized the Liberty as American immediately, so informed his headquarters, and was told to ignore the American flag and continue his attack. He refused to do so and returned to base, where he was arrested.

Later, a dual-citizen Israeli major told survivors that he was in an Israeli war room where he heard that pilot’s radio report. The attacking pilots and everyone in the Israeli war room knew that they were attacking an American ship, the major said. He recanted the statement only after he received threatening phone calls from Israel.

The pilot’s protests also were heard by radio monitors in the U.S. Embassy in Lebanon. Then-U.S. Ambassador to Lebanon Dwight Porter has confirmed this. Porter told his story to syndicated columnists Rowland Evans and Robert Novak and offered to submit to further questioning by authorities. Unfortunately, no one in the U.S. government has any interest in hearing these first-person accounts of Israeli treachery.

Key members of the Lyndon Johnson administration have long agreed that this attack was no accident. Perhaps most outspoken is former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Thomas Moorer. “I can never accept the claim that this was a mistaken attack, “ he insists. Former Secretary of State Dean Rusk is equally outspoken, calling the attack deliberate in press and radio interviews. Similarly strong language comes from top leaders of the Central Intelligence Agency, National Security Agency (some of whose personnel were among the victims), National Security Council, and from presidential advisers such as Clark Clifford, Joseph Califano and Lucius Battle.

A top-secret analysis of Israel’s excuse conducted by the Department of State found Israel’s story to be untrue. Yet Israel and its defenders continue to stand by their claim that the attack was a “tragic accident” in which Israel mistook the most modern electronic surveillance vessel in the world for a rusted-out 40-year-old Egyptian horse transport. Despite the evidence, no U.S. administration has never found the courage to defy the Israeli lobby by publicly demanding a proper accounting from Israel.”

http://www.rense.com/general39/pilot.htm
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THE ATTACK ON THE USS LIBERTY SHIP WAS NO ACCIDENT. IT WAS A DELIBERATE AND DECEPTIVE WAR CRIME ATTACK/TACTIC SO MAY BE THE EGYPTIANS(THE ARABS) WILL GET BLAMED FOR IT!

(Part VI- continued from previous comment)

Other ridiculous claims:

* “Civilian `spies’ of the National Security Agency (NSA)” had wrested control of i.e. hijacked the Liberty from the U.S. military and the Joint Chiefs of Staff; “Commander McGonagle [Liberty’s skipper] did not know it at the time, but the real masters of his ship were the civilian spies of the NSA.” That U.S. ELINT ships’ collection assignments were drawn up at NSA is well known; it is not the big secret that the authors make it. They state that only an individual known as an NSA “Major” and two others “had access to the supersensitive communications areas” on the ship, where in reality well over 100 men worked. The individual they refer to was Allan Blue, a 23yearold Arabic linguist, who was killed. Blue was a GS7 a relatively low level civilian NSA employee, not a “major”; and NSA certainly does not confer military rank.

* “The Israelis tried to jam the ship’s frequencies, to no effect. The Liberty’s equipment was much too sophisticated to be stopped in that fashion.” Anyone who wants to believe this statement should ask the American radiomen who were desperately trying to find an open frequency with which to alerttheir potential rescuers, while their comrades were falling dead around them.

* Liberty “was there to spy on the Jews. That was its only mission.” Had this been the case, Hebrew linguists would have been aboard; there were none. There were at least four Russian and three Arabic linguists aboard, however; that indicates the ship’s intelligence targeting. Additionally, Ennes has recently disclosed that a special tasking of the ship, apart from gathering all the information on every party it could, was to determine if TU95 “BEAR” Bombers of the Egyptian Air Force were controlled and flown by Soviets. Ennes also says that “at least two men recall that their orders were to concentrate on Soviet intercepts and to ignore any Israeli signals they happened to hear. The order was `Note the signal and, if it is Israeli, drop it.’”

Loftus and Aarons’s other falsities concerning the Liberty incident let alone those included in the rest of their work are far too numerous to mention here. They continually cite unidentified sources “confidential interviews” of “former CIA officer[s]” and “former NSA employee[s],” etc; thus they are free to invent whatever suits them. Yet Rodman says this work “deserves to be taken seriously.” They allege “a massive espionage campaign against Jewry and Israel by western intelligence agencies,” and claim that these agencies “aided Arab armies during the many Arab Israeli wars.” Rodman terms this work “an important subject that has thus far not received its due.”

(Part V- continued from previous comment”

*Finally, there is evidence, circumstantial but clear, of a relationship between the attack on the Liberty and a postponement of Israel’s planned attack on the Golan Heights. The Golan attack was scheduled for 11:30 a.m. on 8 June; the Liberty was spotted by 6 a.m. or earlier; last minute orders delayed the Golan attack; the Liberty was put out of commission; and the Golan attack occurred shortly thereafter. The vaunted IDF made very few mistakes in that war.

After the attack Secretary of State Dean Rusk recommended a strong response, and Presidential Counselor Clark Clifford advised President Johnson to treat Israel in the same manner as the U.S. would treat the Soviets or the Arabs if they had committed the atrocity. The U.S. would certainly not have taken this insult in silence had the offender been any country but Israel. But President Johnson stoically accepted Israel’s explanation. The Navy conducted a Court of Inquiry, which ignored and even suppressed testimony that the attack had been deliberate; it dealt only with the actions and performance of the Liberty crew. State Department legal adviser Carl Salans performed an assessment of Israel’s official explanation; with only the Navy’s highly incomplete and erroneous preliminary investigation to go on, he thoroughly discredited the Israeli Government’s claims of innocent error. The logical next step was to confront the Israelis with his findings, but that was not done. The U.S. Government’s inaction was completely out of keeping with the outrageousness of the attack.

What was Israel’s motive for this act? The scheduling of the Israeli assault on the Golan Heights for 8 June was a move to defeat an intense effort in the United Nations to halt the war, a ceasefire having been scheduled for 9 June. Such pressure was also being applied by the U.S. Government. The IDF leaders were under pressure to acquire the Golan before the ceasefire was imposed, preferably without being labeled the aggressor (as in 1956 when Israel had colluded with Britain and France to attack Egypt). But with all the pressure to attack Syria, and after all the hurried preparations to do so, the Golan attack was suddenly called off within hours of its scheduled commencement. Why? Obviously, someone in the IDF leadership feared the Liberty might intercept some of the many signals then filling the air that would expose Israel’s preparations for invasion. They might then be forced into a ceasefire before they conquered the coveted territory.

THE LOFTUS AND AARONS BOOK

Loftus and Aarons’s book, the subject of Rodman’s critique, is a collection of preposterous and demonstrably false theories and allegations. With regard to the Liberty attack, the only significant detail they get right is that it was deliberate, but they actually make the ludicrous statement that Israel’s attack was justified because “the Liberty was gathering electronic information on Israeli troop movements and sending it to British intelligence, which in turn relayed it to the Arabs.” Not only does this statement lack any genuine authentication, it also betrays a conspiracy mindedness that makes all their other concoctions suspicious. Another claim born of this same free ranging inventiveness is that “U.S. intelligence attempted to curry favor with the Arab oil producers by giving the precise details of Israel’s order of battle to the Arabs during the war.”

(Part IV-continued from previous comment- *Note the US Ambassador to Lebanon, Dwight Porter, in 1991 revealed the existence of intercept)

MORE EVIDENCE Of GUILT

“In addition to the above mentioned circumstances which show that Israel’s attack was deliberate the lengthy and careful surveillance, the radio jamming, etc. numerous other details belie Israel’s professed innocence. They include: * The Israelis initially claimed they had “mistaken” the Liberty for the Egyptian ship El Quseir. But the El Quseir was only 40 percent the size of Liberty (4000 vs. 10,400 tons). The El Quseir was an old, rusted out horse transport that bore about as much resemblance to the Liberty as a rusty VW does to a new Cadillac. The Liberty was arrayed with numerous specialized antennas, and an ultramodern (for 1967) 16foot microwave dish, a device possessed by no other ship in the world except her sister ship Belmont. She bore standard U.S. Navy markings, which included a freshly painted 10foothigh hull number, and Liberty on the stern.

* The radio jamming is by itself damning evidence that the assailants knew exactly whom they were attacking. Such jamming requires intimate advance knowledge of the target being jammed, obtained by extended monitoring of its signals. And this was selective jamming; it struck Liberty’s frequencies and no others.

Afterward, in one of their ever changing explanations, the Israelis claimed to have learned the ship’s identity when they heard its distress signals. But the attack continued for sixty six minutes after the first distress signal, which the Israelis had jammed, was sent. Had this particular Israeli claim been true, they would have recalled the torpedo boats before they even reached the ship.

* The Israelis claimed that the ship’s U.S. flag hung limp because there was no wind. Later, when presented with the fact that the flag had been perfectly visible, they claimed that they thought that the ship was an enemy vessel flying false colors. The extended radio monitoring, exposing considerable advance investigation of Liberty’s communication facilities, refutes this claim.

* The Israelis claimed that the torpedo boats, after first sighting the ship, had called in the aircraft to attack after the ship refused to identify itself. This is an obvious lie, because the attack was clearly a preplanned and well coordinated onetwo punch employing different branches of the Israeli Defense Forces. The jets were already intent on attacking the ship before the Liberty came into the torpedo boats’ radar range. Directly contradicting themselves, the Israelis later claimed that their aircraft had called in the torpedo boats.

* The Israelis eventually admitted that before the attack, their commanders had compared reconnaissance photos of the Liberty with Jane’s Fighting Ships. But they claimed that before the attack they twice telephoned the U.S. naval attache in Tel Aviv inquiring whether the Liberty was a U.S. ship and were told that there were no U.S. Navy ships in the area. They claimed that having received a negative reply, they decided that the ship had to be the El Quseir. However, the U.S. embassy in Tel Aviv, and later the naval attache, emphatically stated that no such inquiries were made. The Israelis not only knew the ship’s nationality and that she was an “ELINT” ship; they also knew she was the Liberty herself.

* Immediately preceding the attack, an Israeli pilot recognized Liberty as a U.S. ship and radioed this information to IDF headquarters. He was instructed to attack anyway. This dialogue was intercepted at the U.S. embassy in Beirut. Former U.S. Ambassador to Lebanon Dwight Porter revealed the existence of this intercept in 1991.”

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SCANNING THE SKIES

“The U.S. Government had posted the Liberty off the coast of Gaza, in international waters, to monitor developments in the region during the Six day War. (The Liberty’s mission will be discussed in detail below.) At dawn 8 June, Israeli aircraft began reconnoitering the ship, some flying so close that the pilots could clearly be seen, and as low as masthead height, obviously photographing it. This extensive observation lasted seven hours and involved eight separate observations, at about 0600, 0900, 1000, 1030, 1100, and 1130, 1200 and 1215 p.m. U.S. intercept stations twice overheard Israeli pilots reporting that the ship was American. The visibility conditions were perfect; the ship’s American flag was flying free and clear in a good breeze.

At 1400 a well coordinated attack by jet aircraft and torpedo boats began. Jets hammered the virtually unarmed ship with cannon and rockets, and napalmed it. Its forward machine guns were wiped out in the first firing pass, and whatever transmitting antennas survived that pass were disabled by the second. Nine minutes into the attack, crewmen jury rigged a transmitter to an antenna. But the radiomen discovered that four out of five of the ship’s radio frequencies, including the international distress frequency, were being jammed. Ironically, the only time Liberty could transmit was while the jets were firing their missiles. A frantic cry for help was sent to the Sixth Fleet, only 400 miles away and off Crete; despite the Israeli jamming, the Liberty’s plea for assistance was received. The patchwork transmitting arrangement ceased functioning soon afterward.

Torpedo boats soon arrived and continued the attack, firing five torpedoes, with one hitting and killing 25 men. They then leisurely circled the defenseless ship for 40 minutes, pumping hundreds of 40mm, 20mm, and 50cal. rounds at wounded men on deck, stretcher bearers and fire fighters. Thinking the ship was about to sink, the crew threw life rafts over the side; the attackers machine gunned those too. With increased radio activity from the U.S. Sixth Fleet indicating an impending U.S. response (many of the Fleet’s messages bore “Flash” precedence), the Israelis suddenly contacted the U.S. embassy and informed it of this “accident.” It was probably the longest “accidental” attack in the history of naval warfare an hour and 15 minutes.

Two separate flights of jets from the carriers America and Saratoga were recalled by Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara, the first flight probably because Washington was not absolutely certain of the attackers’ identity and was leery of starting a war with the Russians if they were the guilty party. The second flight was recalled after receipt of the Israeli explanation.”

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“The Israelis maintain this was simply a case of mistaken identity, but this clearly does not hold water,” said Moorer, who was chief of naval operations at the time of the attack. “In clear visibility, this unique ship was very easy to identify.

“The Israeli forces circled the ship and then proceeded to attack over an extended period of time. There is Simply no way the fighter pilots and torpedo boat crews could have come to such a conclusion,” he said.

Moorer, a former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, joined a dozen surviving crew members of the USS Liberty at a seminar during the annual convention of the AmericanArab AntiDiscrimination Committee in Washington.

He suggested the incident was a deliberate attack to prevent the Liberty from picking up signals that could have forewarned the United States of an Israeli military push into Syria the next day.

“Based on the way this tragedy was handled, both in the United States and Israel, one must conclude there is much information that has not been made available to the public,” Moorer said.

The U.S. 6th Fleet, positioned nearby, received a distress call from the Liberty, and one carrier dispatched a squadron to search for the disabled ship. Before the ship was found, the fleet received orders from Washington ordering the planes back. Moorer called on Congress to, once and for all clear up the uncertainties, speculation and unanswered questions surrounding this tragedy, which is still thought by many to be a deliberate coverup on the part of the government of Israel as well as the government of the United States.

The following appeared in the Fall, 1995 (Vol 8, No 3) Issue of the International Journal of Intelligence and Counterintelligence

The Attack on the Liberty: an “Accident”? by Reverdy S. Fishel

Although David Rodman’s review of The Secret War Against the Jews: How Western Espionage Betrayed the Jewish People, by John Loftus and Mark Aarons, notes some of the serious flaws in that work, his critique contains its own serious flaw that should gall anyone who knows a few basic, uncomplicated facts about Israel’s 8 June 1967 attack on the electronic intelligence ship U.S.S. Liberty.

All serious scholarship on the subject accepts Israel’s assault as having been perpetrated quite deliberately, but Rodman says that the “most credible” explanation of the attack is that it was an “accident.” To see so flagrant a misstatement in IJIC, considering its standards of factuality, is startling. Assault on the Liberty (1980), by James Ennes, a lieutenant who was on the bridge during the attack, was a very big seller; so the facts of the case need not be out of anyone’s reach. In fact, Israel’s attack on the Liberty was as accidental as Japan’s attack on Pearl Harbor.”

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USS Liberty - Israeli
Pilot Speaks Up

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“We had been surveilled all morning and part of the afternoon by Israeli forces. They knew who we were. We heard them reporting over radio who we were and how we were sailing and where we were sailing. They saw the flag and everything else. We were in international waters.”


1. Adlai Stevenson supported USS Liberty 2. USS LIBERTY in Ha’aretz 3. USS Liberty Israeli denial; Israeli Pilot Speaks Up

(1) Adlai Stevenson supported USS Liberty

From: RePorterNoteBook at aol dot com Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003

http://ussliberty.org/

Adlai Stevenson supported USS Liberty

Senator Adlai Stevenson III in 1980, his last year as a United States Senator from Illinois, invited Jim Ennes to his Senate office for a private, two hour meeting to discuss the USS Liberty attack and coverup. Following the private meeting, Ennes was invited back the next day to discuss the attack with members of Stevenson’s staff, along with members of the staff of Senator Barry Goldwater and members of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence.

In that meeting, staff members told Ennes that they found his story convincing, but that they would recommend to both senators that they not pursue an investigation because an investigation would only antagonize Israeli interests while “nothing good could come of it.” Goldwater accepted that staff recommendation. Stevenson did not. Instead, Stevenson called a news conference in which he announced that he was convinced that the attack was deliberate and that the survivors deserved an investigation. He would, he said, spend the remaining few weeks of his Senate term attempting to arrange for an inquiry.

Almost immediately, the government of Israel contacted the White House and offered to settle the outstanding $40million damage claims for $6million an amount equal to one dollar for each Jewish victim of the Holocaust. Vice President Walter Mondale quickly agreed to that offer just before Christmas while Congress and President Carter were on vacation. The Department of State followed immediately with a press release, reported on the front page of the New York Times, which announced, “The book is now closed on the USS Liberty.”

Indeed, from that point on, it was impossible to generate any congressional interest in the Liberty at all. Senator Stevenson’s staff told me later that they felt the settlement was directly related to Senator Stevenson’s announced plan to hold an inquiry, and was engineered to block forever any inquiry plans. Israel did subsequently pay $6million in three annual installments of $2million each. Secretary of State Dean Rusk said later that he considered the payments meaningless, as Congress merely increased the annual Israeli allotment by that amount.

Adlai Stevenson later ran for Governor of Illinois. He was strongly opposed by Israeli and Jewish interests. He lost. Many feel it was his support for the Liberty that cost him the election. Many also feel it was Stevenson’s experience with the Liberty that has intimidated other Members of Congress who might otherwise support the survivors.

Cover Up Claimed In Attack ExAdmiral Questions Facts of Liberty Raid

WASHINGTON (AP) Retired Adm. Thomas Moorer accused the U.S. and Israeli governments yesterday of covering up evidence surrounding the 1967 Israeli attack on the American intelligence ship USS Liberty.

Thirtyfour American crewmen were killed and 171 wounded in the combined air and sea attack June 8, 1967, against the reconnaissance ship, cruising in international waters 15 miles off the Sinai Peninsula during the SixDay War.

Israel maintains its fighter pilots, who buzzed the ship for eight hours before the attack, and torpedo boat crews, mistook the Liberty for an Egyptian ship.”

http://www.rense.com/general39/pilot.htm

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500 posts for any topic are probably sufficient. No sense beating a dead horse (or more).

Hasta la vista, babby.......! (elsewhere)

“I am not a dual national and have never been to Israel.”
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Given the choice ITW, between the survival of the United States or the survival of Israel, which do you chose?

Windbag, this is the last post I’ll address to you:

Not only are you a Windbag and full of hot air, mixed with tons of BS and deception, you are a foul-mouthed, hatred-filled and irrational Sicko in the worst agnostic/atheist Zionist/Neocon tradition, who is a DISGRACE to Judaism and humanity! If you’re not a Zionist (Satanist), you are most probably insane (maybe both). I don’t think any Jew in their right mind would claim you for Jewry! What people like you deserve from a just God is too horrible to contemplate BUT, as I said before, all things are possible with God. Salvaging you will be akin to a camel passing through the eye of a needle.

For God’s sake, get psychological counseling before they come and put you in the cuckoo’s nest.

#86625 by Inherit The Wind on 7/13 at 8:49 am
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I am deeply saddened by the blatant anti-semitism here.  BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA Truthdig--you should move this thread over to the Aryan Nation, or the American Nazi Party--they would agree whole-heartedly with all these advocates of a new purge of Jews from the world. BLA BLA BLA BLA Being of Jewish descent I see in you all the New Nazi Movement, and I am frightened for my family and my children that people in America can be SO driven by hatred and SO eager to accept false “facts” just to blame Jews yet again, as has happened SO many times down the centuries.
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I am deeply saddened that you are saddened by what you know is the truth. I’m sorry that it hurts you but this is what it is. You don’t like what you hear so you resort to name calling. My name is not sgt Shultz, and I am no Nazi, far from it. I am an American, not a dual national like you and I am sick and tired of my country being used by Israel.

Do you REALLY believe what you say when you think it ridiculous WE would postulate Israel KNEW about 9/11 and may have had a hand in the OP when there is a KNOWN history of Israel SPYING on the United States...when there is a KNOWN HISTORY of Israel conducting false flag operations? When there is a history of Israel KILLING US citizens (USS LIBERTY). When Israel uses it’s dual nationals to infiltrate the US government (Feith, Perle, Lieberman, Bernanke), not to mention the list of Jewish Americans in politics:

US House of Representatives

Henry Waxman[2] CA-30
Barney Frank[3] Democrat MA-04
Tom Lantos[4] Democrat CA-12
Gary Ackerman[5] Democrat NY-05
Howard Berman[6] Democrat CA-28
Sander M. Levin[7] Democrat MI-12
Eliot L. Engel[8] Democrat NY-17
Nita Lowey[9] Democrat NY-18
Bob Filner[10] Democrat CA-51
Jane Harman[11] Democrat CA-36
Jerrold Nadler[12] Democrat NY-08
Steve Rothman[13] Democrat NJ-09
Robert Wexler[14] Democrat FL-19
Shelley Berkley[15] Democrat NV-01
Jan Schakowsky[16] Democrat IL-09
Brad Sherman[17] Democrat CA-27
Anthony D. Weiner[18] Democrat NY-09
Eric Cantor[19] Republican VA-07
Susan Davis[20] Democrat CA-53
Steve Israel[21] Democrat NY-02
Adam Schiff[21] Democrat CA-29
Rahm Emanuel[22] Democrat IL-05
Debbie Wasserman Schultz[24] Democrat FL-20
Steve Cohen[25] Democrat TN-09
Gabrielle Giffords[26] Democrat AZ-08
Paul Hodes[27] Democrat NH-02
Steve Kagen[28] Democrat WI-08
Ron Klein[29] Democ