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How Can Blair Possibly Be Given This Job?

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Posted on Jun 29, 2007

By Robert Fisk

I suppose that astonishment is not the word for it. Stupefaction comes to mind. I simply could not believe my ears in Beirut when a phone call told me that Lord Blair of Kut al-Amara was going to create “Palestine”. I checked the date - no, it was not 1 April - but I remain overwhelmed that this vain, deceitful man, this proven liar, a trumped-up lawyer who has the blood of thousands of Arab men, women and children on his hands is really contemplating being “our” Middle East envoy.

Can this really be true? I had always assumed that Balfour, Sykes and Picot were the epitome of Middle Eastern hubris. But Blair? That this ex-prime minister, this man who took his country into the sands of Iraq, should actually believe that he has a role in the region - he whose own preposterous envoy, Lord Levy, made so many secret trips there to absolutely no avail - is now going to sully his hands (and, I fear, our lives) in the world’s last colonial war is simply overwhelming.

Of course, he’ll be in touch with Mahmoud Abbas, will try to marginalise Hamas, will talk endlessly about “moderates”; and we’ll have to listen to him pontificating about morality, how he’s absolutely and completely confident that he’s doing the right thing (and this, remember, is the same man who postponed a ceasefire in Lebanon last year in order to share George Bush’s ridiculous hope of an Israeli victory over Hizbollah) in bringing peace to the Middle East…

Not once - ever - has he apologised. Not once has he said he was sorry for what he did in our name. Yet Lord Blair actually believes - in what must be a record act of self-indulgence for a man who cooked up the fake evidence of Iraq’s “weapons of mass destruction” - that he can do good in the Middle East.

For here is a man who is totally discredited in the region - a politician who has signally failed in everything he ever tried to do in the Middle East - now believing that he is the right man to lead the Quartet to patch up “Palestine”.

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In the hunt for quislings to do our bidding - ie accept even less of Mandate Palestine than Arafat would stomach - I suppose Blair has his uses. His unique blend of ruthlessness and dishonesty will no doubt go down quite well with our local Arab dictators.

And I have a suspicion - always assuming this extraordinary story is not untrue - that Blair will be able to tour around Damascus, even Tehran, in his hunt for “peace”, thus paving the way for an American exit strategy in Iraq. But “Palestine”?

The Palestinians held elections - real, copper-bottomed ones, the democratic variety - and Hamas won. But Blair will presumably not be able to talk to Hamas. He’ll need to talk only to Abbas’s flunkies, to negotiate with an administration described so accurately this week by my old colleague Rami Khoury as a “government of the imagination”.

The Americans are talking - and here I am quoting the State Department spokesman, Sean McCormack - about an envoy who can work “with the Palestinians in the Palestinian system” to develop institutions for a “well-governed state”. Oh yes, I can see how that would appeal to Lord Blair. He likes well-governed states, lots of “terror laws”, plenty of security - though I’m still a bit puzzled about what the “Palestinian system” is meant to be.

It was James Wolfensohn who was originally “our” Middle East envoy, a former World Bank president who left in frustration because he could neither reconstruct Gaza nor work with a “peace process” that was being eroded with every new Jewish settlement and every Qassam rocket fired into Israel. Does Blair think he can do better? What honeyed words will we hear?

I bet he doesn’t mention the Israeli wall which is taking so much extra land from the Palestinians. It will be a “security barrier” or a “fence” (like the famous Berlin “fence” which was actually called a “security barrier” by those generous East German Vopo cops of the time).

There will be appeals for restraint “on all sides”, endless calls for “moderation”, none at all for justice (which is all the people of the Middle East have been pleading for over the past 100 years).

And Israel likes Lord Blair. Indeed, Blair’s slippery use of language is likely to appeal to Ehud Olmert, whose government continues to take Arab land for Jews and Jews only as he waits to discover a Palestinian with whom he can “negotiate”, Mahmoud Abbas now having the prestige of a rabbit after his forces were crushed in Gaza.

Which of “Palestine’s” two prime ministers will Blair talk to? Why, the one with a collar and tie, of course, who works for Mr Abbas, who will demand more “security”, tougher laws, less democracy.

I have never been able to figure out why the Middle East draws the Balfours and the Sykeses and the Blairs into its maw. Once, our favourite trouble-shooter was James Baker - who worked for George W’s father until the Israelis got tired of him - and before that we had a whole list of UN Secretary Generals who visited the region, frowned and warned of serious consequences if peace did not soon come.

I recall another man with Blair’s pomposity, a certain Kurt Waldheim, who - no longer the UN’s boss - actually believed he could be an “envoy” for peace in the Middle East, despite his little wartime career as an intelligence officer for the Wehrmacht’s Army Group “E”.

His visits - especially to the late King Hussein - came to nothing, of course. But Waldheim’s ability to draw a curtain over his wartime past does have one thing in common with Blair. For Waldheim steadfastly, pointedly, repeatedly, refused to acknowledge - ever - that he had ever done anything wrong. Now who does that remind you of?

Originally posted in The Independent.


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By Skruff, July 5, 2007 at 5:52 pm Link to this comment
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84321 by Ernest Canning on 7/05 at 4:03 pm

“You are in over your head, my friend.  You do not understand how our legal system works or how judicial decisions are limited to the facts of a given case.  Your reference to Garland is proof that a little knowledge is dangerous.”

The way you speak to people is degrading and full of pomposity. You have provided no cites, and and while your manner suggests you have answers, my research has found your answers are often wrong.  Time will tell about Libby, but you and I are done conversing.  If I need mud thrown at me, I’ll find someone with a better aim.

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By cann4ing, July 5, 2007 at 5:03 pm Link to this comment

Skruff, Skruff, Skruff—a Presidential pardon applies to all “federal” courts.  Except in cases where federal law pre-empts state law or in which state action violates Constitutional guarantees under the 14th Amendment, a United States President does not have the power to control how each of our states interprets their own laws.  State courts are left that responsibility.

You have cited authority which is inapposite to the question at hand.  Garland did not involve the issue of whether a Presidential pardon would prevent a state bar court from seeking to disbar an attorney for the actions that had been the subject of a prior federal prosecution for which the individual was pardoned. 

I know that since the advent of the Bush presidency, there is this concept that a President is all powerful, answerable only to the Gods, but in reality, ours is still a Constitutional democracy and a federal republic that recognizes that there are certain matters that are left to the states, and licensing attorneys is one of them.

You are in over your head, my friend.  You do not understand how our legal system works or how judicial decisions are limited to the facts of a given case.  Your reference to Garland is proof that a little knowledge is dangerous.

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By Skruff, July 5, 2007 at 7:08 am Link to this comment
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84074 by Ernest Canning on 7/04 at 6:30 pm

“I am sorry Skruff, but you simply do not know what you are talking about.  A pardon would not wipe out the fact that Libby committed perjury and obstruction of justice.”

With all due respect, that is EXACTLY what a pardon does.  Please see excerpt below from

Ex parte Garland, 71 U.S. 333 (1866)


Justice Field speaks for the Majority in a 5/4 case.

“The inquiry arises as to the effect and operation of a pardon, and on this point all the authorities concur. A pardon reaches both the punishment prescribed for the offence and the guilt of the offender; and when the pardon is full, it releases the punishment and blots out of existence the guilt, so that in the eye of the law the offender is as innocent as if he had never committed the offence. If granted before conviction, it prevents any of the penalties and disabilities consequent upon conviction from attaching [thereto]; if granted after conviction, it removes the penalties and disabilities, and restores him to all his civil rights; it makes him, as it were, a new man,”

This ruling has prevailed since the civil war.

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By Michael Shaw, July 4, 2007 at 10:55 pm Link to this comment

Thanks Skruff! I know that must have been hard for you suffering such a loss. I agree with you people like those should not be running around in our society. I’ve read the list of targets and threats they were involved in back then. It does present an example that the US has known terror long before 9/11 and especially concerning Puerto Rico! We remember the near assassination of Harry S. Truman by Oscar Collazo and Griselio Torresola on November 1st, 1950.

My brother was an executive engineer for Gulf Oil and he lived in San Juan for about three years. He told me the people were for the most part very friendly and cordial. When he first moved into his house he was told by his San Juan contact that the grounds keeper would stop by one day per week to tidy up and cut the grass. My brother said fine and thought nothing of it. Later in the week on a Saturday, a kid around the age of 12 arrived and told my brother that he and his younger brother who looked about 9, would cut his lawn. He said OK and went back inside. After a while, he didn’t hear a lawn mower so he went back outside to see what was going on. Well he saw! Those kids were out there on their hands and knees in 100 degree temps and hi humidity, cutting his lawn by hand with two pairs of garden shears. He couldn’t believe it! My sister in law brought them lemonade. After they were done raking up the grass, he asked them in Spanish how much they were paid to do this work. They said it’s OK, it’s OK! They wouldn’t tell him. Later on he found out from an associate that they got paid about 6 cents an hour. It took them all day to make a dollar. The lawn was so perfectly cut no one could tell a lawnmower didn’t do it!

After a few weeks, my brother saw what was really going on over there. Beyond the grand hotels and lush waterfronts, most of the general population couldn’t afford to buy food and lived in slums. Many lived out of the trash cans of the wealthy neighborhoods like the one my brother lived in. My brother said he never saw so much poverty in his life and he had been to the Phillipines and elsewhere while in the navy. It was a real eyeopener for him. That was back in the mid to late 1960’s.

I don’t mention this in any way to cheapen what FALN did, nor do I condone their pardons by Clinton and our government. But I felt this had to be mentioned since the underlying root to all terrorism doesn’t simply emerge from nowhere. Our involvements and exploitations overseas have more to do with it than anything else.

I deeply appreciate your sharing this horrible experience and I hope you understand my reasoning for further comment.

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By cann4ing, July 4, 2007 at 7:30 pm Link to this comment

I am sorry Skruff, but you simply do not know what you are talking about.  A pardon would not wipe out the fact that Libby committed perjury and obstruction of justice.  It would merely wipe out the conviction.  The state bar courts would have every right to rely upon the testimony already given in the case to reach the conclusion that Libby had committed acts amounting to moral turpitude.  Pardoning Libby from the effects of the conviction does not erase the underlying facts that led to that conviction.  A commutation, as opposed to a pardon, merely makes it easier for the state bar courts, for they can simply cite the conviction as grounds for disbarment.

Under our legal system, it is up to the individual states to establish the standards by which one is licensed to practice law within the state jurisdictions.  Separate bar exams are administered by each state.  Attorneys are first sworn in before their state courts, then separately sworn in before the federal courts, and, if they have been practicing long enough and have support from other members of the Supreme Court bar, they can then be admitted to practice before the U.S. Supreme Court as well.

But don’t take my word for it, Skruff.  Hell, I’ve only been practicing law for thirty years.  What would I know?

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By Bolverk, July 4, 2007 at 10:56 am Link to this comment
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#82955 by Robert on 7/01 at 12:24 pm
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It has NOT stopped Israel’s U.S. made helicopters and their deadly missiles from crossing over to Palestinian populations areas to fire their sophisticated weapons deadly that wreak havoc on innocent and armed civilians.
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The ‘armed civilians’ are perfectly happy to commit an atrocity, and then hide amongst the innocents when they know full well retaliation will be forthcoming.
So who’s actually to blame for the casualties? Perhaps it suits the gunmen’s PR purposes to see the inevitable results.

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By nahida, July 4, 2007 at 9:39 am Link to this comment

A Declaration of Independence From Israel

http://www.ichblog.eu/content/view/1832/1/

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EXPOSING CRIMES IS CRIMINAL IN ISRAEL

http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m34190&hd;=&size=1&l=e

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By Skruff, July 4, 2007 at 9:28 am Link to this comment
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Michael Shaw on 7/03 at 11:56 pm asks:

“Hey Skruff IE….. FALN was involved in several bombings in NYC including Fraunces Tavern where 4 people were killed and 63 others injured. If you don’t mind me asking, which of the bombings were you specifically talking about, the one on 42nd street in 77?”

150 East 42nd Street, the Mobil Oil Building. They killed a security guard and blew up the Executive bathroom “for freedom” The security guard was a nice guy with a little family… used to call me “lil VIP”

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By Skruff, July 4, 2007 at 9:23 am Link to this comment
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Ernest Canning says:

“The state bar courts can independently determine whether Libby is guilty of moral turpitude.  Under our federal system, the president has no authority over the state bar court decision and cannot wipe it away.”

BUT the Federal charge no longer exists… never happened… so the State bar woiuld be prohibited from using that charge in their determination.

Our “innocent until proven guilty” system is still in place, although (as you have pointed out) it works better if one has a bushel-basket of money to appeal.


between you and me, I believe “the moral turpitude of lawyers” an Oxymoron.

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By Michael Shaw, July 4, 2007 at 12:56 am Link to this comment

83712

Hey Skruff IE….. FALN was involved in several bombings in NYC including Fraunces Tavern where 4 people were killed and 63 others injured. If you don’t mind me asking, which of the bombings were you specifically talking about, the one on 42nd street in 77?

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By blog dog, July 4, 2007 at 12:26 am Link to this comment

the actual detailed effect of the commuting Libby’s sentence rather than pardoning him is largely acdademic — the point is that he was let off the hook, so to speak, for not telling all — it’ s the entire regime that need be put in the doc on charges of treason: misprisions of treason would do for their failre to defend the nation on 911. Ultimately it may be for “surrendering” the nation to a rogue network of clandestine operatives in service to private intersts, but that would have to get into the public record throug congressional hearings.

This becomes a bit complex, as many want to blame Busch/Co. for 911 and everything else. The more accurate analysis, IMHO, comes from Webster G. Tapley — this is a long video, but it is essentially an encapsulation of his best-selling thesis on the 911 coup: “911 Synthetic Terror - Made in USA.”

A/V - 2 hr.
http://www.911busters.com/New_911_Evidence/WMV/Webster_Tarpley_NYC.wmv

audio only - 2 hr.
http://www.911busters.com/New_911_Evidence/MP3/Webster_Tarpley_NYC.html

short version - 15 min.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7332401211233959683&q=tarpley&total=1253&start=10&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=4

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By cann4ing, July 3, 2007 at 9:42 pm Link to this comment

Skruff, the pardon does not extend to state bar proceedings.  Moreover, one does not have to be “convicted” in order to be disbarred.  All the attorney has to do is engage in an act that involves moral turpitude.  There are many attorneys who have been disbarred within my jurisdiction—California—because they comingled a client’s funds with their own, or abandoned their client’s cases.  The state bar courts can independently determine whether Libby is guilty of moral turpitude.  Under our federal system, the president has no authority over the state bar court decision and cannot wipe it away.

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By Skruff, July 3, 2007 at 7:04 pm Link to this comment
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83670 by Ernest Canning on 7/03 at 4:30 pm


“Skruff, even a pardon would not prevent disbarment.”

Yes, it would. An executive pardon wipes out the crime. no crime, no disbarment.

and I said NOTHING about “white colloer crimes. I said I believe jails should be reserved for violent offenders Like the FALN whom Clinton pardoned after they bombed my fathers offices at Mobil Oil (among other bombings.

But I surely don’t expect liberal sympathy for assaulted oil company executives.

Guess this is just one of those places where we will have to disagree.

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By Michael Shaw, July 3, 2007 at 6:04 pm Link to this comment

83670 Thanks for pointing that out Ernest!

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By Michael Shaw, July 3, 2007 at 6:00 pm Link to this comment

83636 Yes but Skruff, as I pointed out in the other dig, commuting Libby’s sentence rather than pardoning him had its contrived reasons. If Libby were simply pardoned he would be unable to hide behind the 5th amendment. With a commute he can. The fact he is left with a fine, a felony record and the loss of his legal license is trivial. He’ll simply do the circuit tour then retire to some nice cushy job in some right wing think tank. Meanwhile Cheney and company will pay his fines and effectively bury any further investigations into executive abuses of power.

All you’re doing here is mincing words and adjectives. The bottom line is Libby walked Scot free without serving a minute in jail, and more importantly the way he walked, took the entire administration off the hook!

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By cann4ing, July 3, 2007 at 5:30 pm Link to this comment

Skruff, even a pardon would not prevent disbarment.  That is a matter for the state or states in which Mr. Libby is admitted to practice law.  The crimes that Mr. Libby committed—and they were crimes punishable by jail time despite your preference for a two-tiered system in which white collar criminals don’t find themselves behind bars—are crimes of moral turpitude in that no attorney who would commit perjury or suborne others to commit perjury deserves to retain his or her license to practice law.  With or without a pardon, Libby’s convictions provide ample grounds for his disbarment.  A pardon would merely have relieved Libby of criminal liability, it would not have shielded his bar card—not that it matters.  With the information this guy no doubt possesses, I have no doubt that he will be well-taken care of to insure that he doesn’t ever open his mouth.

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By Skruff, July 3, 2007 at 3:48 pm Link to this comment
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83623 by Michael Shaw on 7/03 at 2:15 pm

“...you can call it whatever you want, commute or whatever. To me it’s no different from the clear skies act which enables more pollution or the USA Patriot Act that underminds the Bill of Rights. It’s nothing more than an oxymoron to another blantant lie.”

No, this is important. There is a large legal distinction between a pardon (wipes out all penalties and criminal record) and a commutation which does neither.

Bush commuted Libby’s prison term. Libby is still a Felon and unable to use his law degree.

I am not a fan of Bush nor his administration, but when arguing it is important to be factual.  the fact is a (partial) commutation is not a pardon.

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By Michael Shaw, July 3, 2007 at 3:24 pm Link to this comment

83378 Blogdog. appreciate your historical analysis, especially on Ben Franklin, one of my heroes. Another quote I’m sure you’re familiar with: “Those willing to give up their freedom for safety are neither safe or free!”

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By Michael Shaw, July 3, 2007 at 3:15 pm Link to this comment

83409….Skruff, you can call it whatever you want, commute or whatever. To me it’s no different from the clear skies act which enables more pollution or the USA Patriot Act that underminds the Bill of Rights. It’s nothing more than an oxymoron to another blantant lie.

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By Skruff, July 3, 2007 at 5:20 am Link to this comment
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83262 by Michael Shaw on 7/02 at 4:47 pm

“This is a bit off topic but i guess you’ve all heard about Bush pardoning Libby(as if we didn’t see that coming!) Yet one more plume in the hat of freedom, justice and democracy!!!!”

With all due respect, Bush did not “Pardon” Scooter Libby. He commuted the part of the sentence which would have sent Libby to jail. The charge (a felony) remains on Libby’s record, he loses his law license, and his reputation remains stained. 

Although I can not think of one other action Bush has taken with which I agree, I am fully in favor of this one. Libby has small children. Further, I do not feel that any person, black, white, rich or poor belongs in jail when their act is not a direct physical assault on another individual.

I do think that the fine ($250,000) is far too small, and that it will be paid by “friends” makes it no deterent, but the loss of his legal career really should be enough.

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By A Khokar, July 3, 2007 at 1:15 am Link to this comment

George W Bush might have not proven to be such a worst person on the face of this earth; if only his friends like Tony Blair of Britain were not there to endorse and encourage him for his devilish plans of his adopted US foreign policies in Middle East. In turn, Bush has played havoc and brought countless atrocities, mass killing and anarchy to the million and millions of people around the world; especially in Iraq in the Middle East.

The shaky personality of George Bush that he caries under his skin can be said as of a most notorious and an evil mind person but he was much scared to execute his devilish Plans at his own—-alone. He need a hunch man to support him on the international scene and he got it in shape of; Tony Blair of Britain. May it be the invasion of sovereign states like Iraq; or other acts of subjugation of Middle Eastern masses or the gradual occupations of Middle Eastern lands lying some thousands of miles away from America; It was only for the engineered collaboration of Tony Blair of Britain with United States that every endorsement at each step of Bush’s advances; Blair made it possible for this devil person to make his every effort as an international issue; labelling it as they were jointly quelling the threats in the name of some invisible forces called ‘Global war on terror’ and making this planet a safer place for us. Since then it is seen as, all the actions taken by Bush and US armed forces in Middle East are having a firm backing of international community.

But after having deposed in Britain for his deeds as prime minister and earning a colossal defeat and humiliation; Tony Blair may be seen as gone. But in order to keep the heat on in the Middle East and that United States is not seen and blamed playing as a single handed tyrant; irony is that another move is being made to keep this ‘valued’ friend Tony Blair in and to make sure that his presence is felt in Middle East. Tony Blair will again be on his move in the Middle East, with a new label as a peace envoy in Middle East. Will this change of his title—-will change the mindset or nature of this man?

A man like Blair who abetted and wilfully endorsed all the actions of tyranny bringing havoc, killing and anarchy in the society of defenceless subjugated people of South East Asia can be said as the worst enemy of humanity. Beware—-there is much more which is yet to come and it is being kept up their sleeves.

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By blog dog, July 3, 2007 at 12:53 am Link to this comment

“Give me control of a country’s money and I care not who makes its laws.”

====== http://21stcenturycicero.wordpress.com/fraud/the-history-of-money-part-1/

By the mid 1700’s Britain was at its height of power, but was also heavily in debt.

Since the creation of the Bank of England, they had suffered four costly wars and the total debt now stood at £140,000,000, (which in those days was a lot of money).

In order to make their interest payments to the bank, the British government set about a programme to try to raise revenues from their American colonies, largely through an extensive programme of taxation.
There was a shortage of material for minting coins in the colonies, so they began to print their own paper money, which they called Colonial Script. This provided a very successful means of exchange and also gave the colonies a sense of identity. Colonial Scriptwas money provided to help the exchange of goods. It was debt free paper money not backed by gold or silver.

During a visit to Britain in 1763, The Bank of England asked Benjamin Franklin how he would account for the new found prosperity in the colonies. Franklin replied:

“That is simple. In the colonies we issue our own money. It is called Colonial Script. We issue it in proper proportion to the demands of trade and industry to make the products pass easily from the producers to the consumers.

In this manner, creating for ourselves our own paper money, we control its purchasing power, and we have no interest to pay to no one.” (Benjamin Franklin)

America had learned that the people’s confidence in the currency was all they needed, and they could be free of borrowing debts. That would mean being free of the Bank of England.
In Response the world’s most powerful independent bank used its influence on the British parliament to press for the passing of the Currency Act of 1764.

This act made it illegal for the colonies to print their own money, and forced them to pay all future taxes to Britain in silver or gold.
Here is what Franklin said after that.

“In one year, the conditions were so reversed that the era of prosperity ended, and a depression set in, to such an extent that the streets of the Colonies were filled with unemployed.” (Benjamin Franklin)

“The colonies would gladly have borne the little tax on tea and other matters had it not been that England took away from the colonies their money, which created unemployment and dissatisfaction. The inability of the colonists to get power to issue their own money permanently out of the hands of George III and the international bankers was the PRIME reason for the Revolutionary War.” (Benjamin Franklin’s autobiography)

By the time the war began on 19th April 1775 much of the gold and silver had been taken by British taxation. They were left with no other choice but to print money to finance the war.

What is interesting here is that Colonial Scriptwas actually working so well, it became a threat to the established economic system of the time.
The idea of issuing money as Franklin put it “in proper proportion to the demands of trade and industry” and not charging any interest, was not causing any problems or inflation. This unfortunately was alien to the Bank of England which only issued money for the sake of making a profit for its shareholder’s.

1. Congressman Charles G. Binderup of Nebraska, Unrobing the Ghosts of Wall Street

===== this article continues into the Rothchild era

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By cann4ing, July 2, 2007 at 5:53 pm Link to this comment

Louise, fabulous post.  Sometimes a mere recitation of facts provides a compelling case without the need to argue it.  Yours post does just that.

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By Michael Shaw, July 2, 2007 at 5:51 pm Link to this comment

Thanks Ernest! I appreciate that! I also respect and appreciate what you have to say. I’ve learned alot from your posts.

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By Michael Shaw, July 2, 2007 at 5:47 pm Link to this comment

This is a bit off topic but i guess you’ve all heard about Bush pardoning Libby(as if we didn’t see that coming!) Yet one more plume in the hat of freedom, justice and democracy!!!!

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By Michael Shaw, July 2, 2007 at 5:44 pm Link to this comment

83206 Blogdog what you’re talking about sounds very much like the Illuminati…. a conspiracy of wealth to control all. Statements like this one from Rothschild, “Give me control of a country’s money and I care not who makes its laws.”,lends creedence to actual conspiracy, not theory. Or how about the Banker’s Manifesto? Lindberg turned that in to congress and they laughed at him! It seems to me the media has done much to call these things myth’s or legends, but the proof is in the historical pudding.

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By cann4ing, July 2, 2007 at 4:22 pm Link to this comment

I wish to congratulate Skruff, blog dog & Michael Shaw for their excellent posts.  Blog dog’s reference to CIA infiltration of the media warrants a follow-up.

In “Static” Amy & David Goodman, citing Carl Bernstein’s 10/20/77 Rolling Stone piece, “The CIA and the Media” noted that between 1950 and the 1970s, in addition to a worldwide network of media that included newspaper and radio stations, there were at least “a dozen full-time CIA agents…employed by American news organizations who were also working for the CIA.  About a dozen publishing houses printed more than one thousand books that were produced and subsidized by the CIA.”

During an 8/5/05 Democracy Now broadcast the Goodmans revealed that infiltration of major media pre-dated the creation of the CIA.  In “the sping of 1945, a remarkable meeting took place secretly at the headquarters of The New York Times” involving “General Leslie Groves, the director of the Manhattan Project…Arthur Sulzberger, the publisher of the New York Times, the Editor-in-Chief…, and William Laurence.”  As a product of this secret meeting, an arrangement was made for Lawrence to act simultaneously as a New York Times reporter and a paid publicist for the Manhatten Project.  Laurence was given access to top secret information and was present at atomic bomb testing in New Mexico.  He both authored press releases and statements for Pres. Truman & Sec. of War Henry L. Stimson even as he was writing a series of articles for the Times which sought to dismiss information about the deadly effects of radiation, then being reported as a mysterious “atomic plague.”  The Laurence-authored New York Times pieces contended that “atomic plague” was simply Japanese propaganda. 

Senator Gary Hart had been a member of the Church Committee when it investigated abuses of power by the CIA.  He confirmed on Democracy Now that one of the issues investigated was the agency’s secret use of journalists.  AMY GOODMAN:  “And so, you had The New York Times, you had the Louisville Courier-Journal, you had Time magazine, you had CBS, you had Newsweek, you had the Miami-herald, the Saturday Evening Post, you had a lot of publications and news outlets that were willing to work with the CIA.”  HART:  “I think that’s fair to say.”  Mus. Goodman cited the 1977 Carl Bernstein Rolling Stone piece which quated Hart as stating “the Church Committee report on the media hardly reflects what we found.  There was a prolonged and elaborate negotiation with the CIA over what would be said.”  Ms. Goodman asserted there were 7 to 9 pages of missing material.  She asked, “Why did you all…reach this agreement not to expose this, not to name names?”  Hart said he could not recall.  “I’m a little startled by your quote, because I don’t even remember saying that….I don’t think there was any cover-up.”

The issue is not limited to the past.  In a Nov. 2005 Rolling Stone piece, “The Man Who Sold Us the War,” James Bamfored expuses the lucrative career opportunity within imperialism’s covert dimension, the “information warrior”—the position held by John Rendon, ironically a one-time state coordinator for the George McGovern campaign.  Rendon’s, who describes what he does as “perception manangement” got his start as a privatized propagandist in 1989 when George H.W. Bush authorized a $10 million covert operation to destabilize the regime of Gen. Manuel Noriega.  It was Rendon who took the responsibility of delivering hand-held U.S. & coalition flags to the people of Kuwait city so that when the coalition forces entered, the ensuing “victory march” would resemble “the flag-waving liberation of France after World War II;”  Rendon who is credited with the creation of the Iraqi National Congress and who linked Judy Miller with INC operatives in order to set up the New York Times story on the aluminum tubes.

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These comments ARE NOT intended for people afflicted with closed minds, preconceived prejudices and racial hatred. That kind of handicap can only self correct. Trying to convince such people they are wrong is as pointless as reminding them the tribe of Judah does not represent the entire Nation of Israel. Or that the ancient civilizations formerly located in present day Iraq, Palestine and Iran where peopled by Semites ... as most of that land is today.

Rather this information is posted for PEOPLE WHO CARE!
With the hope you will pass it around.

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/media/net-report.html

In the year 2000 the Palestinian population began an uprising against Israeli rule called the “Intifada.” This term – rarely translated in the American media – is simply the Arabic word for uprising or rebellion – literally, it means “shaking off.” The American Revolutionary War, for example, would be called the American intifada against Britain.

118 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 946 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000.

1,023 Israelis and at least 4,160 Palestinians have been killed since September 29, 2000.
 
7,633 Israelis and 31,403 Palestinians have been injured since September 29, 2000.

1 Israeli is being held prisoner by Palestinians, while 10,756 Palestinians are currently imprisoned by Israel. 0 Israeli homes have been demolished by Palestinians and 4,170 Palestinian homes have been demolished by Israel since September 29, 2000.

Israel currently has 223 Jewish-only settlements and ‘outposts’ built on confiscated Palestinian land. Palestinians do not have any settlements on Israeli land.

http://www.peacenow.org.il/site/en/peace.asp?pi=61&fld=191&docid=2203&pos=2

http://www.peacenow.org.il/site/en/peace.asp?pi=61&docid=2200&pos=1

The Israeli unemployment rate is 9%, while the Palestinian unemployment is estimated at 40%.

The U.S. gives more than $7,023,288 per day to the Israeli government and military and gives no money to the Palestinians. 

Israel has been targeted by at least 65 UN resolutions and the Palestinians have been targeted by none.

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By blog dog, July 2, 2007 at 2:51 pm Link to this comment

RE: “...Makes one wonder if the Barbie’s of the war weren’t incorporated via this program or a similar one coming out of France. It reminds me very much of The School of the Americas where we set up death squads in Latin America…”

======= Nazi War Criminals useful to the post-war occupation we smuggled out by way of networks called “Rat Lines.”

We’re now hearing of the “Salvador Option” for the Middle East.

There’s nothing new in any of this. It’s a continuation of the same war that’s been waged on the 3rd World for the last 60 years. Myths surrounding political ideology and religious factionalism are all ruses — the goal is global hegemony by the world’s finance oligarchs — The New World Oligarchy.

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By Michael Shaw, July 2, 2007 at 2:15 pm Link to this comment

Thanks blogdog. Interesting stuff in here. Makes one wonder if the Barbie’s of the war weren’t incorporated via this program or a similar one coming out of France. It reminds me very much of The School of the Americas where we set up death squads in Latin America and actually brought back many of these murderers to live right here. I’ll have to read more before I can post further comment. Thanks again!

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By blog dog, July 2, 2007 at 1:33 pm Link to this comment

#83184 by Michael Shaw on 7/02 at 12:12 pm
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Thanks Blogdog. Unfortunately I haven’t got a hi-speed connection so viewing this film is difficult. could you send me some articles about Gladio. i would like to learn more! Thanks!

========== a long read - many links

http://www.answers.com/topic/operation-gladio

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By Michael Shaw, July 2, 2007 at 1:12 pm Link to this comment

Thanks Blogdog. Unfortunately I haven’t got a hi-speed connection so viewing this film is difficult. could you send me some articles about Gladio. i would like to learn more! Thanks!

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By blog dog, July 2, 2007 at 1:02 pm Link to this comment

#83170 by Michael Shaw on 7/02 at 11:30 am
(142 comments total) — I suspect millions more will die and in the process our enemies and the enemies of Israel will continue to grow and we only have ourselves to blame.

+++++++ correct: millions more will die; just as thousands died in the Gladio Strategy of Tension campaign of NATO sponsored, CIA/MI-6 directed False Flag Terror, run through infiltrated groups like Bader Meinhof and Red Brigade, but essentially executed by Gladio’s stay behind networks. This is all exposed and documented in Italian Parliament hearings and investigations, ca. 1990. http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-4900756773650110959

The Global War Of Terror is a virtual replica of Gladio, only a 1000 times bigger. The Myth of Islamofascism has replaced the Myth of Monolithic Communism. Again, and it cannot be reiterated often enough; you must remember this:

“The Central Intelligence Agency owns anyone of any significance in the major media.” — Former CIA Director William Colby

“Deception is a state of mind and the mind of the State” - James Jesus Angleton, Head of CIA Counter Intelligence 1954-1974

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By Michael Shaw, July 2, 2007 at 12:30 pm Link to this comment

Cyrena I appreciate your comments. I also appreciate Robert Fisk who sees no hope in the situation. I suspect millions more will die and in the process our enemies and the enemies of Israel will continue to grow and we only have ourselves to blame.

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By Michael Shaw, July 2, 2007 at 12:20 pm Link to this comment

Well I think concerning Blair, my friend Burnie summed it up best in a recent email:

As they say “promote to their highest level of incompetence.”

It’s like Wolfowitz and the world bank.

If you can’t dazzle them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.

There will be no “peace” in the middle east in our life time. There may
never be.

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By blog dog, July 2, 2007 at 10:57 am Link to this comment

Canning’s got it right, and as for this: “I tend to be empiricist by nature, and fall back on Occam’s Razor rather than sorting all events and motivations by political philosophy.”

My response to that is purely historical, not politically philosophical.

False Flag Terrorism is the most often chosen weapon to shock a citizenry into war - history is littered with known incidents and numerous other suspected provocations: Of course, it is the most obviously simple explanation for the Global War Of Terror and it’s most poignant provocation — 911, which the regime hammers to this day at every opportunity: “the lessons of 911.” There’s your Occam’s Razor.

lilmamzer is the most politically biased contributor to this discussion. lilmamzer’s assertion of empiricism is not only disingenuous. It is on it’s face a lie.

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83106 by Ernest Canning on 7/02 at 7:21 am

“Wrong, illmamzer.  “They” do not hate us for our freedoms and “they” do not hate us because “we” do not adhere to Islam (Some who died in the Twin Towers were adherents of that religion).  Like all other occupied peoples, “they” hate the impact of imperialism and occupation.”

Another subject where we seem to agree….completely.

If someone walked (uninvited) into my home, and began rearranging the furniture, and burning that whit which they disapproved… I’d be some-ole-upset!

Westerners have been sticking their long long noses into the affairs of Arab, Persian, and Ottomen as long as there has been a viable “west” 

As in Northern Ireland, Ruwanda, Cambodia, and Indonesia when innocent civilians are killed, it is then hard to reason with the resulting hate.

Some in the USA call this hate irrational.

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By cann4ing, July 2, 2007 at 8:21 am Link to this comment

Wrong, illmamzer.  “They” do not hate us for our freedoms and “they” do not hate us because “we” do not adhere to Islam (Some who died in the Twin Towers were adherents of that religion).  Like all other occupied peoples, “they” hate the impact of imperialism and occupation.  That was true for Native Americans when they were victims of Manifest Destiny, it was true of the peoples throughout occupied Europe in World War II, it was true for the Algerians when they were occupied by the French, it was true for the Vienamese under successive French and American occupations, it is true of the Palestinians, who have suffered for 40 years under a brutal, apartheid/Zionist occupation and it is now true of the Iraqis who suffer under a brutal American occupation.  9/11 was either a case of “blow back” or an inside job.  It was not the result of “they hate us for our freedoms” or our religious or secular beliefs.

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By ctbrandon, July 2, 2007 at 7:03 am Link to this comment

“As far as us in America “giving up our freedoms” as a direct and appeasing response to Jihadi motivations is absurd. We adjust our lives in subtle shifts to accommodate a fluid and very dangerous array of threats. Not to appease or barter, in a tactical sense, but to better resist Islamic aggression.”

I would argue that we give up our freedoms because we have been scared into doing so by our government. And our government has used the terrorist attacks to push forth its fear campaign, destroy our civil liberties with the patriot act, and garner support for a war in iraq that we now know had nothing at all to do with stopping terrorism.


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http://www.actforyourself.org

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By lilmamzer, July 2, 2007 at 5:02 am Link to this comment

#83069 by blog dog:

And now that we’ve been told “...they hate us!!!! for our freedoms,” obviously most Americans have agreed to simply give them up, so they’ll hate us less

Partly correct, Blog Dog.

They hate us because our freedoms are un-Islamic. From our point of view there is really no difference but the point is to have a better understanding of the Jihadi motivation. As far as us in America “giving up our freedoms” as a direct and appeasing response to Jihadi motivations is absurd. We adjust our lives in subtle shifts to accommodate a fluid and very dangerous array of threats. Not to appease or barter, in a tactical sense, but to better resist Islamic aggression.

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By lilmamzer, July 2, 2007 at 4:55 am Link to this comment

#83072 by cyrena:

This morning I read another Israeli air strike on Gaza. They still have the most guns. They’ve never been the least bit shy about carpet bombing the surrounding area.

Yes, I read the same - it was good news.

But you cannot call the hit on the Hamas car “carpet bombing”. It was exactly the opposite - a precision strike on a single target.

“Carpet bombing” is just inflammatory, hateful rhetoric. Why not just say “the strike on the car carrying members of a notorious Palestinian Arab terrorist group” or something to that effect?

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By lilmamzer, July 2, 2007 at 4:49 am Link to this comment

#83049 by blog dog:

========= OK, so who can you trust? How do you know who’s “...just plain wrong.” And, if you wanna throw around “conspiracy theorist baloney” as a gratuitous invective toward anyone whose opinions you disagree with, have at it ‚ the implied ad hominem attack in its use is a prima fascia demotion, your choice.

There ARE some things one knows - let’s just leave it at that grin

The rest is really about personal outlook - along the lines of “is your mailman REALLY your mailman or is he most likely a Mossad agent planting secret high-tech listening devices in your home to advance the racist fascist Zionist agenda?”

I tend to be empiricist by nature, and fall back on Occam’s Razor rather than sorting all events and motivations by political philosophy.

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By cyrena, July 2, 2007 at 2:07 am Link to this comment

Michael Shaw 83023

I’d like to add that as far as launching the radical Islamic movement, the US is just as complicit as Israel. First by overthrowing Iran in 1953 and imposing the brutal dictatorship of the Shah. Then by instigating the Iran/Iraq war and giving Saddam nerve gas and other weapons of mass destruction to use on Iranians and later the Kurds. Then by stationing troops in Mecca years longer than it promised to. Then by financing Bin Laden, a guy Reagan demanded we send to Afghanistan because he was a royal type. Then by bombing Iraq for ten years and starving them in the millions and lastly by George W. Bush who preemptively invaded them, destroying the center of Islam, the city of Baghdad, calling it a crusade and killing close to a million people and on top of that setting up facilities where torture is practiced! And we wonder why they hate us!!!!

Well Michael, this is certainly a very complete list, (we’ve read the same history), and man oh man, there are even more than this. There are probably far more than a million dead civilians now. We are consistently needing to try some of our “bad apples” in the war zone, for assorted crimes of murder and rape, and now I’m reading about raid on an Iraqi neighborhood in Sadr City, that killed like 26 civillians, men, women, children. Then, they fired up another 80 civilians in Afghanistan with an airstrike, and somehow, this all seems perfectly acceptable to people.

It’s any guess how many Arabs are imprisoned all around, when we start counting all of the prisons in Iraq, the 10’s of 1000’s locked up in Israel, the ones they have locked up in the West Bank, and they’ve still got a bunch locked up in Gaza as well. (although hopefully, Hamas has at least been able to spring the women and kids that have been held as political hostages). I don’t know.

Somebody has to keep us posted on what’s going on. This morning I read another Israeli air strike on Gaza. They still have the most guns. They’ve never been the least bit shy about carpet bombing the surrounding area. Especially when they start getting extra nervous.

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By blog dog, July 2, 2007 at 1:19 am Link to this comment

And now that we’ve been told “...they hate us!!!! for our freedoms,” obviously most Americans have agreed to simply give them up, so they’ll hate us less…or so it would seem, as per the logic of this administration and the combined powers of observation and reasoning of our so well-trained and so poorly educated fellow Americans.

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By Michael Shaw, July 2, 2007 at 12:22 am Link to this comment

83023 I’d like to add that as far as launching the radical Islamic movement, the US is just as complicit as Israel. First by overthrowing Iran in 1953 and imposing the brutal dictatorship of the Shah. Then by instigating the Iran/Iraq war and giving Saddam nerve gas and other weapons of mass destruction to use on Iranians and later the Kurds. Then by stationing troops in Mecca years longer than it promised to. Then by financing Bin Laden, a guy Reagan demanded we send to Afghanistan because he was a royal type. Then by bombing Iraq for ten years and starving them in the millions and lastly by George W. Bush who preemptively invaded them, destroying the center of Islam, the city of Baghdad, calling it a crusade and killing close to a million people and on top of that setting up facilities where torture is practiced! And we wonder why they hate us!!!!

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By Michael Shaw, July 2, 2007 at 12:06 am Link to this comment

83023 Blogdog. Absolutely correct! Bullseye!

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By blog dog, July 1, 2007 at 9:58 pm Link to this comment

RE:  •  #83034 by lilmamzer on 7/01 at 7:45 pm
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  •  #83022 by blog dog:
  •  http://www.debka.com
  •  Debka is a fun read but is often sensationalistic and just plain wrong. They don’t have a reputation for accuracy or even a modicum of journalistic standards.
  •  I still have them bookmarked but take everything they post with a huge grain of salt. 

========= OK, so who can you trust? How do you know who’s “...just plain wrong.” And, if you wanna throw around “conspiracy theorist baloney” as a gratuitous invective toward anyone whose opinions you disagree with, have at it ‚ the implied ad hominem attack in its use is a prima fascia demotion, your choice. I don’t give a damn, but you must remember this:

“The Central Intelligence Agency owns anyone of any significance in the major media.” — Former CIA Director William Colby

And, you must remember this:

Colby’s mysteriously fatal boating accident is virtually universally accepted as an assassination after his redemption had begun in the form of public revelations of the lethal menace to the world at large the CIA had become.

And, finally, you must remember this:

“Deception is a state of mind and the mind of the State” - James Jesus Angleton, Head of CIA Counter Intelligence 1954-1974

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By Michael Shaw, July 1, 2007 at 9:21 pm Link to this comment

The continued brokerage to no where continues.

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By lilmamzer, July 1, 2007 at 8:45 pm Link to this comment

#83022 by blog dog:

http://www.debka.com

Debka is a fun read but is often sensationalistic and just plain wrong. They don’t have a reputation for accuracy or even a modicum of journalistic standards.

I still have them bookmarked but take everything they post with a huge grain of salt.  grin

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By blog dog, July 1, 2007 at 7:55 pm Link to this comment

TIP OF THE ICEBERG - PART 1

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/AND204A.html  

Israeli Roots of Hamas are being exposed
by  Dean Andromidas
 Executive Intelligence Review (EIR), 18 January 2002
Centre for Research on Globalisation (CRG),  globalresearch.ca , 12 April 2002

CRG’s Global Outlook, premiere issue on  “Stop the War” provides detailed documentation on the war and the “Post- September 11 Crisis.” Order/subscribe. Consult Table of Contents

Speaking in Jerusalem Dec. 20, U.S. Ambassador to Israel Daniel Kurtzer made the connection between the growth of the Islamic fundamentalist groups Hamas and Islamic Jihad, and Israel’s promotion of the Islamic movement as a counter to the Palestinian nationalist movement. Kurtzer’s comments come very close to EIR’s own presentation of the evidence of Israel’s instrumental role in establishing Hamas, and its ongoing control of that organization.

Kurtzer said that the growth of the Islamic movement in the Palestinian territories in recent decades—“with the tacit support of Israel”—was “not totally unrelated” to the emergence of Hamas and Islamic Jihad and their terrorist attacks against Israel. Kurtzer explained that during the 1980s, when the Islamic movement began to flourish in the West Bank and Gaza, “Israel perceived it to be better to have people turning toward religion rather than toward a nationalistic cause [the Palestinian Liberation Organization—ed.].” It therefore did little to stop the flow of money to mosques and other religious institutions, rather than to schools.

According to the Dec. 21 Israeli daily Ha’aretz, Kurtzer made these extraordinary statements at a seminar on religion and politics sponsored by Oz V’Shalom-Netivot Shalom, a largely Anglo-American organization that promotes peace between Israelis and Palestinians. Rabbi Dr. Aharon Lichtenstein, the head of Har Etzion Yeshiva in Alon Shvut, who is an active advocate of a just regional peace, also spoke. Kurtzer said that as a result of the growth of Islam at the expense of education, there are now Palestinians who are “determined terrorists that use religious beliefs in a perverted way to appeal to the masses.”

Kurtzer said that cultural and religious interaction is potentially a way to “build bridges.” But instead, “the perverted use of religion in the region is today becoming one of the great challenges for the years ahead.” He said that there is no “inherent component” in Islam that advocates violence. But one of the five principles of Islam, jihad—resistance—“in classic religious associations connotes religious belief and fervor, not violence.” But extremists have distorted the meaning of jihad, so it now has a connotation of violence in the service of a religious purpose.

“We are doing everything to stop the violence. But Hamas is a creature of Israel which at the time of Prime Minister [Yitzhak] Shamir [the late 1980s, when Hamas arose], gave them money and more than 700 institutions, among them schools, universities and mosques. Even [former Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak] Rabin ended up admitting it, when I charged him with it, in the presence of [Egpytian President Hosni] Mubarak.”

To the Italian daily L’Espresso, Arafat laid out the reasons for this support. “Hamas was constituted with the support of Israel. The aim was to create an organization antagonistic to the PLO. They received financing and training from Israel. They have continued to benefit from permits and authorizations, while we have been limited, even to build a tomato factory. Rabin himself defined it as a fatal error. Some collaborationists of Israel are involved in these [terror] attacks,” he said. “We have proof, and we are placing it at the disposal of the Italian government.”

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By blog dog, July 1, 2007 at 7:51 pm Link to this comment

TIP OF THE ICEBERG - PART 2

June 17, 2007
http://www.debka.com

The Fatah-led general intelligence and security services caved in too fast to shred, wipe or burn documents, computer disks and archives.

The entire collection fell into Hamas’ hands when they seized Palestinian Preventive Intelligence HQ at Tel Awa (henceforth Tel al-Islam) and the Palestinian General Intelligence center near Gaza port.

DEBKAfile’s intelligence sources say: Never before has a bonanza of Western intelligence secrets on this scale ever reached an implacably hostile Islamist terrorist gang. The US, British and Israeli intelligence services may have suffered their greatest debacle in the war on Islamist terror. It will take them many years to recover.

Hamas has taken possession of hundreds of thousands of documents cataloguing the clandestine operations of Western intelligence services in the Middle East, including Saudi Arabia and the oil emirates. It is now the owner of complete archives of Palestinian undercover links with foreign intelligence services going back decades, with names of spies, political collaborators and double agents. The documentation covers the secret ties Palestinian intelligence maintained from the 1970s, when Yasser Arafat was based in Lebanon, with the Americans, the British, the French, the Israelis and many others.

Most intelligence experts say Israel should have bombed the two buildings and destroyed their contents rather than letting them fall into the hands of an organization and country dedicated to its eclipse.

For Hamas, this booty is priceless - and not only as the repository of bombs for planting under Mahmoud Abbas and his cohorts. The Palestinian group’s Syrian and Iranian sponsors will pay a king’s ransom for this unique collection of explosive secrets hidden by many a Western intelligence agency and government. Damascus and Tehran will be hugely empowered with the means to stay a jump ahead of American moves in the region and tools to sabotage US policies at any time.

They will have a store of national secrets and compromising information to hold over the heads of Western leaders and officials, lists of undercover agents, and records of covert operations carried out by the Israeli Mossad, Shin Bet and Military Intelligence, CIA, British MI6 and other Western agencies. Iran, Syria and Hamas will know the names of politicians, including Israelis, who worked secretly with Palestinians and their shady deals.

One intelligence expert said that the Gaza hoard left in enemy hands by Abbas and Mohammed Dahlan are the crown jewels compared with the Saddam Hussein’s intelligence archives.

In the Palestinian security service building, Hamas found computer  hard disks covering years of undercover activity and a complete set of  sophisticated wiretapping and surveillance equipment and sensors which  the CIA and MI6 gave Mahmoud Abbas and his forces. It was all in perfect condition ready to switch on.

After the Nazi regime was defeated at the end of World War II and Eastern Germany fell in the 1990s, there were officials willing to  make a desperate effort to destroy or hide their intelligence  treasure. Palestinian intelligence officers did not burn a single page.

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By lilmamzer, July 1, 2007 at 6:28 pm Link to this comment

#82988 by blog dog:

So deeply infiltrated is every political party vying for self determination, whenever and wherever any of these parties clash (e.g. Fetah / Hamas), you can be sure MI-6, CIA and most certainly MOSSAD provocateurs are very likely involved.

Where’s your evidence? Sounds like the usual conspiracy theory baloney.

Hamas and Fatah don’t need external motivation to shoot at each other.

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By minamoto no taira, July 1, 2007 at 6:18 pm Link to this comment
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Tony Blair.  He went form Bush’s lapdog to…Bush’s lapdog

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By lilmamzer, July 1, 2007 at 5:13 pm Link to this comment

#82973 by Paolo:

If Jews have a “right of return” to a land their direct ancestors had not occupied for centuries, why don’t Palestinians have a “right of return” to territories they occupied a few decades ago?

Because historical events have transpired in the interim that cannot and will not be reversed, specifically, Jewish sovereignty and self-determination in their homeland.

There are many options besides demographic inundation of Israel. The most obvious is resettlement. You neglect to mention the 800,000 Jewish refugees from Arab countries in 1948 who were dispossessed and made new lives in Israel. It’s not a one way street, and not unique to the Arab-Israeli conflict. Name a country and you will find similar population shifts throughout its history.

That’s what happens in war. The lesson for the Arabs is not to start one.

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By 911truthdotorg, July 1, 2007 at 4:47 pm Link to this comment

I guess our murderer-in-chief will get the Nobel Peace Prize next.

We are truly living in a bizarro, sickening world.

Google videos: 9/11 Press for Truth, Loose Change 2nd Edition, America: Freedom to Fascism

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By blog dog, July 1, 2007 at 4:11 pm Link to this comment

Obviously, Blair is going as MI-6 political liaison — essentially to make sure all regional black-ops/psy-ops get the best political spin the crown can muster.

The untold story of the Middle East is in how devastatingly distorted false flag terrorism has rendered the entire geopolitical landscape. So deeply infiltrated is every political party vying for self determination, whenever and wherever any of these parties clash (e.g. Fetah / Hamas), you can be sure MI-6, CIA and most certainly MOSSAD provocateurs are very likely involved.

As well, any terrorist event for which indigenous groups are tagged (even those for which we are told they take credit), is always a suspect false flag black-op/psy-op — hegemons’ historic weapon of choice the world over.

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By Pien Tellus, July 1, 2007 at 3:47 pm Link to this comment
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I wonder if Lord Blair, now that he has supposedly retired from political life and no longer needs to curry favor from   the powerful rich-elite, will have courage to tell the Israelis what George Bernard Shaw once articulated: “Stop being Jews and start being human beings.” But Lord Blair doesn’t have either character nor intelligence. If he did he did I don’t believe he would have ever been elected.  What the powerful elite have always demanded of our politicians is a mediocrity of the highest order of - which George Bush and his commensurate on the other side of the Atlantic - Lord Blair most resourcefully possess. The unwholesome hypocrisy between what these two fools preach and what they practice has produced the degeneration of Christian ideals and values that permeates the world today. Both of these hypocrites
are supposedly devote Christians who love and admire and worship Jesus Christ of Nazareth. But, nfortunately for the whole world, both Bush and Blair know absolutely nothing about Jesus. They are hopelessly ignorant of the certainty that if Jesus could suddenly come back down to earth and appear tomorrow in Jerusalem he would support and sympathize
with the Palestinians and castigate the English, the Americans and, of course, the Jews (again).

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By Paolo, July 1, 2007 at 2:25 pm Link to this comment

Lilmamzer said,

“Finkelstein disingenuously ignores the deal-breaking demand that no Palestinian leader has yet to drop: the phony “right of return” which will demographically destroy Jewish self-determination.”

What’s good for the goose is good for the gander. If Jews have a “right of return” to a land their direct ancestors had not occupied for centuries, why don’t Palestinians have a “right of return” to territories they occupied a few decades ago?

Why is a Palestinian “right of return” characterized as “phony,” while the Jewish “right of return” is, presumably, “genuine”? 

Would giving Palestinians a “right of return” totally change the demographics? Yes. Would Israel cease to exist as a “Jewish State”? Yes. Would there be a bloodbath? Impossible to tell; it depends on both sides being able and willing to sit down and reason with one another.

But in the final analysis, it is Israelis and Palestinians who have to work this out. The USA needs to keep its meddling hands out of the region.

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By Robert, July 1, 2007 at 2:18 pm Link to this comment

Ooops…slight correction to my post #82955

It should have been…


“It has NOT stopped Israel’s U.S. made helicopters and their deadly missiles from crossing over to Palestinian populations areas to fire their sophisticated weapons deadly aim that wreak havoc on innocent and unarmed civilians.”

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By cann4ing, July 1, 2007 at 2:01 pm Link to this comment

Robert, the apartheid wall around Gaza has no more “saved lives” then did the apartheid wall around the Warsaw Ghetto.

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By Robert, July 1, 2007 at 1:41 pm Link to this comment

Comment #82927 by Ernest Canning on 7/1

Ernest…your post #82927 is a very good one. Norman Finkelstein knows zionism’s number.

If you have a chance/time, click & watch the BBC documentary video on “Israel’s Secret Weapon”. The link to the video is on this thread in my comment #82705.

Its 45 minutes long, but the well documented information by the BBC reporters is really surprising.

This video has NOT been seen on our AIPAC controled news industry. It has been aired on the independent “LINK TV”.

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By Robert, July 1, 2007 at 1:24 pm Link to this comment

Comment #82897 by “mamzer/bastard” on 7/1 at 11:08 am

“Let’s not. These barriers save lives.”


The Israeli / Zionist wall/barrier has NOT saved lives on the Palestinian sides.

It has NOT stopped Israel’s brutal IDF killers from entering the Palestinian towns and villages to kill innocent Palestinian civilians and 9, 10, 11, 12 year old Palestinian children.

It has NOT stopped Israel’s U.S. made helicopters and their deadly missiles from crossing over to Palestinian populations areas to fire their sophisticated weapons deadly that wreak havoc on innocent and armed civilians.

Ill-lie mamzer/bastard…has the same zionist zealot mentality as his Israeli IDF… “Palestinian blood is NOT equal to Jewish blood”.

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By lilmamzer, July 1, 2007 at 12:51 pm Link to this comment

#82927 by Ernest Canning :

In post-after-post, lilmamzer rambles on about Palestinian “atrocities” while deliberately ignoring the historical context.  Consider the following observations made by Prof. Norman Finkelstein in “Beyond Chutzpah”:

Finkelstein, Schminkelstein.

Finkelstein disingenuously ignores the deal-breaking demand that no Palestinian leader has yet to drop: the phony “right of return” which will demographically destroy Jewish self-determination. Not to mention cause a bloodbath of proportions not seen since the 1940’s.

There’s no getting around that point, ever.

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By cann4ing, July 1, 2007 at 11:36 am Link to this comment

In post-after-post, lilmamzer rambles on about Palestinian “atrocities” while deliberately ignoring the historical context.  Consider the following observations made by Prof. Norman Finkelstein in “Beyond Chutzpah”:

“Confronted by the inexcapable reality of Israel’s existence and lacking viable political options, Palestinians cut the theoretical Gordian knot in the mid-1970s by effectively conceding legal title to some 80% of their historic homeland.  Apart from the refugee question, the only truly complicated element of the Israel-Palestine conflict was thus overcome.  Yet, this resolution remains provisional and fragile.  If Israel has created new facts on the ground in the Occupied Territories that preempt a two-state settlement, a new complication of the conflict will have arisen….Just as the prior conflict originated in conscious, willful Zionist denial of basic Palestinian rights, so the intractability of a new conflict will originate in the same premeditated injustice, indeed, in the denial of even a severely attenuated form of Palestinian rights.

“Benny Morris, although approving the ethnic cleansing of Palestine and nearly pathological in his hatred of Palestinians, nonetheless anchors Palestinian opposition to Jewish settlement in a perfectly rational, uncomplicated motive:  ‘The fear of territorial displacement and dispossession was to be the chief motor of Arab antagonism to Zionism’....In the course of resisting European encroachment, Native Americans committed many horrendous crimes.  But to understand why doesn’t require probing defects of their character or civilization….Helen Hunt Jackson, a principled defender of Native Americans writing in the late 19th century, observed:  ‘[T]he Indians who committed these ‘atrocities’ were simply ejecting by force, and ...killing men who had usurped and stolen their lands….”

“...Imagine the bemused reaction were a historian to hypothesize that the impetus behind Native American resistance was ‘anti-Christianism’ or ‘anti-Europeanism.’”

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By lilmamzer, July 1, 2007 at 11:17 am Link to this comment

#82921 by Ernest Canning:

Tony Blair will be for Palestine what John Bolton was for the U.N.

Well said, Ernest Canning.

Both “Palestine” and the UN are decrepit, malicious entities dominated by corrupt authoritarians.

Bolton and Blair, to varying degrees, represent the polar opposites.

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By cann4ing, July 1, 2007 at 11:02 am Link to this comment

Tony Blair will be for Palestine what John Bolton was for the U.N.

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By lilmamzer, July 1, 2007 at 8:55 am Link to this comment

#82878 by Robert:

LETS ALL HELP TEAR DOWN THIS UGLY, APARTHEID ISRAELI WALL IN BETHLEHEM AND THE REST OF THE AREAS.

Let’s not.

These barriers save lives.

First remove the constant threat of attacks on Israeli civilians.

Then the barriers can come down.

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By Paolo, July 1, 2007 at 8:15 am Link to this comment

Suppose there were a nation in which instantaneous citizenship would be granted to people of a specific racial and/or religious background. People from different backgrounds could still attain citizenship, albeit through a much more arduous process. Of course, a government religious authority would decide who qualifies as a member of the favored religious/ethnic group (the better to keep people from getting in on false pretenses and upsetting the “democratic” process).

What nation are we talking about? Iran? Saudi Arabia? Iraq before Saddam was ousted? Pakistan, perhaps? Or maybe it’s Afghanistan. After all, those terrible Muslims will do anything to keep their power, right?

Actually, I was referring to Israel.

Oh, yes—and Israel possesses plenty of nuclear weapons, absolutely refuses to negotiate on this matter, refuses inspections by the International Atomic Energy Agency, and even refuses to acknowledge they have the weapons.

If Palestinians—who have lived in the area since time immemorial—were granted the same “right of return” that is instantaneously granted Jewish people (literally from the moment they set foot on Israeli soil), there would be true “democracy.” One man (or woman), one vote.

Why is it that we in America think it so terrible that Iran exists as an “Islamic Republic,” but shrug our shoulders when told that Israel exists as a “Jewish State”? Hmmmmmm?

To anticipate objections by supporters of Israel, I will say right off the bat that I don’t support the concept of an “Islamic Republic” either. I don’t think religion or ethnic background should be a criterion for citizenship. That, however, is the concern of those who live there. America has no business meddling in Middle East affairs, on either side.

Ron Paul is the only presidential candidate who supports this practical, moral, noninterventionist foreign policy. All other candidates (with the possible exception of Kucinich) enthusiastically take sides for Israel. Of course, their lobby is much more powerful.

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By Robert, July 1, 2007 at 7:29 am Link to this comment

Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, May-June 2007

Christianity and the Middle East

Open Bethlehem Exposes Israel’s Systematic Strangulation of the Holy City
By Pat McDonnell Twair
 
“Bethlehem surrounded by barbed wire and Israel’s annexation wall.
 
DESPITE MANY reports on how Israel’s apartheid wall is subdividing Bethlehem, the magnitude of Israel’s systematic takeover of the ancient city’s holy relics, as documented in an Open Bethlehem power point presentation, was shocking.

During a Jan. 22 presentation in All Saints Church in Pasadena, CA, Maxim Sansour explained that when the second Muslim Caliph, Omar Ibn al-Khattab, set eyes on Bethlehem in the mid-7th century, he realized it was an extraordinarily important Christian shrine, and decreed that Muslims were not to disturb a single stone of the holy site.

“A pledge was made between Christians and Muslims to live in peaceful coexistence,” Sansour emphasized, “and this has been the model Bethlehemites have emulated for centuries.”

Now Israel’s illegal wall has turned Bethlehem into a prison for its inhabitants. The formidable barrier has cut off 70 percent of Bethlehem’s agricultural lands from the urban center. His grandfather owns five acres of farmland, Sansour noted, but has been notified that Israel is confiscating it for “security purposes.”

“Contemporary Bethlehem is a multi-faith society with a population of 170,000 Palestinians in the district and 75,000 in the city of Bethlehem,” he told his audience. “We have 22 churches and 14 mosques, but the Christians are rapidly emigrating, so the population is about 30 percent Christian and 70 percent Muslim.”
 
Sansour, who holds an MBA from the City University of New York, recalled that in June 2006 two congressmen tried to pass a resolution condemning Palestinian Muslims for driving Christians out of Bethlehem.

“Open Bethlehem immediately notified the congressmen that it was Israeli practices that are forcing Christians out of Bethlehem, not Muslims,” Sansour said. “As far as we know, the resolution was shelved.”

More than 170,000 Israelis are living in 27 settlements that encircle and encroach upon Bethlehem, Sansour noted. “These are not natural expansion, but deliberate measures to block the growth of Palestinian Bethlehem. The really scary settlement is Har Homa,” he said, “which is intended to be an alternative Bethlehem tourist center. Har Homa doesn’t have Manger Square, but it will bus Christian pilgrims to the Church of the Nativity and after they’ve had their photo-ops with the holy monuments, they will be bused back to the settlement without talking to a Palestinian or buying mementos or eating in restaurants.

“Bethlehem is in a state of emergency,” Sansour warned. “Closures have all but dried up the tourist industry many Palestinian inhabitants relied on. The wall separates Bethlehem from neighboring villages. There are just two exits out of Bethlehem that can be closed on any Israeli pretext. One gate leads to Jerusalem, the other to nearby villages.

“Checkpoints separate the Christian communities of Jerusalem and Bethlehem just as the wall has severed the Basilica of the Nativity from Jerusalem’s Church of the Holy Sepulcher,” he pointed out.

Sansour showed a photo of a terraced hillside that has been carefully tended for more than 2,000 years. The audience audibly gasped when he stated that it is destined to be dismantled for the establishment of yet another Jewish-only settlement.
 
A map of Israel’s annexation wall around Rachel’s Tomb (Photos courtesy open Bethlehem).
 
Palestinians are particularly alarmed by a new settlement being built in the heart of Bethlehem, Sansour said. It surrounds Rachel’s Tomb and its residents are militant fundamentalist Jews.”
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LETS ALL HELP TEAR DOWN THIS UGLY, APARTHEID ISRAELI WALL IN BETHLEHEM AND THE REST OF THE AREAS.

http://www.wrmea.com/archives/May-June_2007/0705056.html

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By lilmamzer, July 1, 2007 at 6:57 am Link to this comment

#82838 by Robert:

I FORGOT “ILL-LIE-BASTARD”...Its the middle of the night for you now. Your hysterical & paranoid personality is acting out!

You can go back to sleep if you can; don’t disturb the neighbors and truthdig’s threads.

There is really nothing cute about your garbage. For you, its all about poisoning the TRUTH and well of knowledge.

Can you sleep at all? We’ll see…!

Good morning. Still ranting?

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By nahida, July 1, 2007 at 1:29 am Link to this comment

Solving the problem


Behind closed doors
In big dark rooms
Men in black and grey
Eating drinking
Laughing and chatting away
Gather to discuss
Our problem
The problem of
Palestinians!

They talked about
Democracy
Freedom
Human rights
And a solution
A vision
That will bring peace
To the troubled middle east!

“We can easily solve this
If only
If only
Those terrorists
Stop their violence”

They concluded.

“And as for the refugees,
That’s no problem
At all
Just give them some money,
Compensate,
And they’ll all be content”

Those civilized
Freedom lovers
Peace protectors
Human right defenders
Inventors of ethics


Did they not know
That
A man
With a knife
Against his throat
Has the right
To push His butcher away!!

Did they not know
That
A child,
Who grew up
Far… far away
Deprived of the love
Gentle touch
And warm hugs
Of her beloved grandma
Given the infinite universe
Can never compensate her!!

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By Andrew Sarkadi, June 30, 2007 at 11:29 pm Link to this comment
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Blair to set the wrongs of the Middle East right. Right? Why, this poor excuse for a man couldn’t even fix up his home turf. When standing for Parliament and seeking the job for prime ministership, he was just as deceitful about his real motives then as he is now. Not a single truthful bone in his body.
Now he wants to convert to Catholicism. I wonder what incentives the Pope has offered him? Absolution for all his sins maybe?
It’s probably too late for that though.

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By Robert, June 30, 2007 at 10:55 pm Link to this comment

I FORGOT “ILL-LIE-BASTARD”...Its the middle of the night for you now. Your hysterical & paranoid personality is acting out!

You can go back to sleep if you can; don’t disturb the neighbors and truthdig’s threads.

There is really nothing cute about your garbage. For you, its all about poisoning the TRUTH and well of knowledge.

Can you sleep at all? We’ll see…!

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By lilmamzer, June 30, 2007 at 10:46 pm Link to this comment

#82820 by Robert:

“Ill-lie mamzer/bastard”

No loss of sleep for me at all…Your hysterical ranting and your defense of your apartheid zionist is really funny. Do you get any sleep at all?

Your ignorant & ranting posts clusters are a reflection of a paranoid zionist…who keeps waking up in the middle of the night and screaming…anti-semitism…everybody hates Israel/Jews!

So what is it next “lil-lie-bastard”? More of your zionist lying/propaganda posts clusters or attempts to sidetrack the topic or change the subject?

What a damn sick lying zionist zealot!

So who’s ranting?

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By Robert, June 30, 2007 at 9:04 pm Link to this comment

TONY BLAIR THE MID-EAST ENVOY:

A PICTURE/CARTOON IS WORTH MORE THAN A THOUSAND WORDS. IT TELLS IT ALL.

CLICK ON LINK TO GET THE FULL PICTURE/STORY:


http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/img/features/latuff/show.php?nam=95

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By Robert, June 30, 2007 at 8:56 pm Link to this comment

“Ill-lie mamzer/bastard”

No loss of sleep for me at all…Your hysterical ranting and your defense of your apartheid zionist is really funny. Do you get any sleep at all?

Your ignorant & ranting posts clusters are a reflection of a paranoid zionist…who keeps waking up in the middle of the night and screaming…anti-semitism…everybody hates Israel/Jews!

So what is it next “lil-lie-bastard”? More of your zionist lying/propaganda posts clusters or attempts to sidetrack the topic or change the subject?

What a damn sick lying zionist zealot!

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By Toby, June 30, 2007 at 8:52 pm Link to this comment
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How Can Blair Possibly Be Given This Job?
“I suppose that astonishment is not the word for it. Stupefaction comes to mind.”

It is indeed stupefying.
Perhaps the solution to the mystery of how a man so entrenched in all things bad could see himself as an emissary of all things good, lay’s not so much in the notion that there is any real intent behind Blair’s mission. But rather an intent to discomfit Blair.

Consider the possibility that this was not Blair’s decision ... or choice.

Nor should this be seen as some sort of reward for, the Bush Poodle’s loyal arse-likin’.

Rather this may be a punishment. After all, we don’t really know who IS in charge of the Fourth Reich. We can only speculate about who actually pulls the strings and writes the song for this new and improved world-wide Fascist Empire.

Maybe Blair didn’t do exactly as he was supposed to. Perhaps had the real plan gone exactly AS planned, the Entire Middle East would now be a peaceful subdivision of the Greater State of Israel. Something seemingly hinted at from time to time, but no man dare actually say it. Perhaps that was the real meaning behind Bush’s seemingly cockeyed comment the other day when he said Iraq should be more like Israel.

Perhaps there lies ahead an even more unlikely [and unpleasant] “reward” for the failures of Bush.

Where is Richard Pearle?
“Neo Culpa” (David Rose, Vanity Fair, 2006/11/03)

But, for Bush and Blair there is no “Neo” nor Mea Culpa. Perhaps that will be their undoing. Not from a fed up constituency, but from an unforgiving master ... whoever or whatever that may be.

Perhaps Olmert will undergo a similar scrutiny.

Ah, scan the vast horizons of this shrinking Earth and ask ...
“Who controls the wealth?”

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By lilmamzer, June 30, 2007 at 8:38 pm Link to this comment

#82800 by Non Credo:

To read lilmamzer’s posts is to understand Palestinians’ hatred of Israel.

Surely no state whose view of itself is accurately represented by such as lilmamzer can hope to be at peace with the world - EVER.

Please keep going.
I would like to see you lay out an argument.

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By lilmamzer, June 30, 2007 at 8:35 pm Link to this comment

#82813 by lilmamzer on 6/30 at 7:30 pm
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#82795 by Robert:

Mordechai Vanunu and several other Israelis are in that BBC video. This topic is relavent to the Mid-East. Israel is part of the Mid-East isn’t it? Tony Blair is going to be the envoy to the Mid-East…Hmmm…relavent?

Well….yeah…..I guess there is also toothpaste in Israel, perhaps also in Dimona. So OK, Robert, your post is totally relevant.

Naaah, I take it back. You seize on any chance, or just fabricate your own reasons to drop in an unrelated Israel-bashing comment. Not relevant, Robert.
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I presume that for you “ill-lie-Bastard”, a fanatic infected zionist like you gets extremely defensive when Americans expose your Israel’s lies and deceptions.

Your zionist lies and garbage are scattered in clusters all over on truthdig’s threads. Always trying to plant doubt and deceptions. These are your methods “ill-lie-bastard”...eh!

eh!

Do you lose sleep thinking about Israel’s alleged nuclear arsenal?

Do you worry the Jews will drop one on you, Robert?
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FIXED IT! smile

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By lilmamzer, June 30, 2007 at 8:30 pm Link to this comment

#82795 by Robert on:

Mordechai Vanunu and several other Israelis are in that BBC video. This topic is relavent to the Mid-East. Israel is part of the Mid-East isn’t it? Tony Blair is going to be the envoy to the Mid-East…Hmmm…relavent?

Well….yeah…..I guess there is also toothpaste in Israel, perhaps also in Dimona. So OK, Robert, your post is totally relevant.
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<b>I presume that for you “ill-lie-Bastard”, a fanatic infected zionist like you gets extremely defensive when Americans expose your Israel’s lies and deceptions.

Your zionist lies and garbage are scattered in clusters all over on truthdig’s threads. Always trying to plant doubt and deceptions. These are your methods “ill-lie-bastard”...eh!>/b>

eh!

Do you lose sleep thinking about Israel’s alleged nuclear arsenal?

Do you worry the Jews will drop one on you, Robert?

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By G.Anderson, June 30, 2007 at 8:24 pm Link to this comment

Another one of those headlines, that you just have to stop and think about out loud.

Tony Blair the Prince of Peace, Bush’ right hand man a special envoy to the middle east….

Just when it looked like, a leadership change was going to doom their relationship to the dust bin of history, looks like Tony and W. will be spending alot of time with each other after all.

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By Rickinsf, June 30, 2007 at 7:53 pm Link to this comment
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Lilmamzer is what Tom Wolfe might have described as a “greengrocer Moshe Dayan.”

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By Robert, June 30, 2007 at 5:59 pm Link to this comment

Comment #827705 by MAMZER on 6/30

As per the meaning of your Hebrew name “Mamzer=Bastard” or as you prefer “little Bastard”:

The 45 minute BBC video documentary on Israel’s Secret Weapon has NOT been seen on our American TVS. This is a great chance for the American people to see & find out the TRUTH about Israel MASS DECEPTIONS. Let truthdig readers / viewers see the video. John F kennedy, Ben Gurion, Golda Meir, Shimon Peres, Mordechai Vanunu and several other Israelis are in that BBC video. This topic is relavent to the Mid-East. Israel is part of the Mid-East isn’t it? Tony Blair is going to be the envoy to the Mid-East…Hmmm…relavent?

If you want to talk about toothpastes and teeth that is perfectly ok. 

I presume that for you “ill-lie-Bastard”, a fanatic infected zionist like you gets extremely defensive when Americans expose your Israel’s lies and deceptions.

Your zionist lies and garbage are scattered in clusters all over on truthdig’s threads. Always trying to plant doubt and deceptions. These are your methods “ill-lie-bastard”...eh!

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By Paolo, June 30, 2007 at 4:04 pm Link to this comment

Hmmmm. Where to begin?

Tony Blair as peace envoy? How about Sherman as “peace envoy” to the Indians, after he massacred them? How about Stalin as “peace envoy” to Chechnya?

On the other hand, why in God’s name is the US meddling in the affairs of the Mideast? I’m no admirer of Ronald Reagan, but he had it right when he said we don’t understand the irrationality of Middle East politics.

As a libertarian, I have to point out that getting ensnared in the politics of the Middle East is worse than trying to herd cats. Non-interventionism is the only realistic, PRACTICAL US foreign policy.

Having said that, I think there’s plenty of blame to go around in the Middle East. The idea of setting up a “Jewish State” in the Levant was a typically insane British policy of the early 20th century.

Is there a way out of the mess? Probably not. Demographically, if Palestinians were allowed the same “right of return” as Jews, the region would be majority Muslim, with a significant Jewish minority. Could they work things out? Maybe, maybe not. But that is the concern of Palestinians and Israelis—not the USA.

“If all the Palestinian refugees and their descendants (estimates range between 5 and 8 million people) were to return to their original home within Israel this would lead to a demographic shift which would end Israel’s status as a Jewish state, as Israel’s current population is composed of about 5.8 million Jews and 1.3 million Muslim and Christian Palestinian Arabs. This is the main cause for Israel’s continued withholding to the so-called Palestinian “right of return” (Wikipedia)

As Thomas Friedman (with whom I rarely agree) has said, “you can have a democracy, or you can have a Jewish state—but you can’t have both.” If it really came down to “one man, one vote” in the Levant, Israel as a Jewish state would cease to exist.

Those of you who crow about the alleged virtues of “democracy” should take note.

In the interest of brevity, I will stop here for now.

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By Skruff, June 30, 2007 at 1:51 pm Link to this comment
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The only reason for surprise over Blair’s appointment is lack of attention. Bolton proposed for the UN envoy (from the US) Huberous spouting, ass kicking, Texas-two-stepping world leaders who I expect to show up anyday now wearing ten-gallon hats side arms, and speaking with a John Wayne accent.

Tony needs to stand before a world court judge, and all his friends and allies should join him there when caught outside the USA.

I’m not gonna hold my hand on my ass waiting for that to happen, BUT in a fair world…..

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By lilmamzer, June 30, 2007 at 12:07 pm Link to this comment

#82705 by Robert:

All who are concerned about WMD’s & what Israel has been deceptively hiding from the world…here the TRUTH:

How is your post relevant to the Tony Blair story?

The article could be about which toothpaste whitens teeth better, and you’d still come out of the blue with some old, re-hashed, been-there done-that, uncorroborated Israel-bashing stuff that’s been printed a thousand times before.

If Israel actually does possess nuclear weapons, that would be a good thing. Imagine if Israel did not have such a (perceived) deterrent - how much more likely the Arab states would again mass armies on Israel’s borders as they did in 1967 and launch yet another war to destroy Israel.

Jews with nukes - seems to scare the crap out of you Robert. That’s a good thing.

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By Robert, June 30, 2007 at 10:57 am Link to this comment

ISRAEL’S SECRET WEAPON (SECRET NUCLEAR WEAPONS)


Here is a chance to see for the first time (BBC) what Israel has been hiding from the rest of the world.

One could see the full details of what happened to Mordechai Vanunu, the Israeli whistle blower, and see Shimon Peres’s role and comments about Israel’s weapons.

Here is a chance to see all the details and to see what was the Israeli plane carrying when it crashed in the Netherlands. Listen about the lies & deceptions that Israel has been utilizing to cover-up its WMD programs.

All who are concerned about WMD’s & what Israel has been deceptively hiding from the world…here the TRUTH:

http://video.google.com/videohosted?docid=-234685330662058240&q=israel+secret+weapon&total=107&start=08&num=10&so=0&so=o&type=search&plindex=1

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By PATANG, June 30, 2007 at 7:19 am Link to this comment
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“a politician who has signally failed in everything he ever tried to do in the Middle East” - I would disagree and venture to say, that Tony Blair and Bush, the inferior and his gang, have not failed at anything. Pretty much everything is going according to plan - their plan of destruction, domination and accumulation of power and money for themselves and their buddies. Peace has never been a goal, it’s not good for business.

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By lilmamzer, June 30, 2007 at 7:09 am Link to this comment

#82465 by Non Credo:

Tony Blair should be encased in cement and added to the Israeli apartheid wall.

That would put you in a bit of a conundrum.

On the one hand, you want to tear down the 15% of the barrier that actually IS a wall, so that Palestinian Arab killers can again have easy entry to Israeli cities to blow up kids in pizza parlors and old people riding city busses.

On the other hand, you now say you want Blair entombed in the wall. But that implies leaving the wall in place, which would then continue to shield and preserve Jewish lives from the Palestinian Arab killers.

Tough choice for you.

By the way, how would you put Mr. Blair in the condition of being entombed? Would you kill him yourself or just have the local Arabs do it for you?

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By sweetoldlady, June 30, 2007 at 6:17 am Link to this comment
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To all of you,

Please do not align the whole of the U.K with Blair’s warmongering or war crimes. Like you folks, ordinary people are being blamed for the actions of our increasingly unaccountable politicians. This is not the case, as the many anti-war/anti-Bush/anti-Blair demonstrations in Britain and the U.S have shown. A vast majority of the British people were glad to see the back of Blair; in fact, most of us wanted him gone a lot sooner, preferably packed in an airtight container and posted to George Bush.

The bad news, for Britain and the Mid-East except Israel, is that the new Prime Minister came out of the same pod as Blair. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Roll on the next elections on both sides of the Atlantic, for all our sakes!

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By lilmamzer, June 30, 2007 at 6:04 am Link to this comment

#82612 by david2000:

The charade that Mr Blair can negotiate with the Palestinians whilst they officially continue to deny the right of existence of the Jewish State must end.

This is why the “news” about Blair is really non-news. It’s just process for process sake. Blair will shuttle back and forth, coddling the intransigent Arabs in all their capital cities, and of course that doddering fool Abbas, all just for show. There really is nothing left to negotiate. Too bad - the west has the power to up the stakes and give the Arabs something to negotiate for - their continued sovereignty, whatever economic viability they have left, and any diplomatic and commercial ties to the outside world. We do have the power but not an ounce of the political will to make it happen. Too bad.
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No amendments to the PLO Charter = no negotiations, no State.

The equation for progressing the “two state solution” is really is as simple as that.

There is more to their obligations than that, although that step is necessary. The Arabs need to stop moral, financial, and material support for terrorists and those among them who perpetuate war. They need to stop incitement in the mosques, schools, and in the media. No more naming soccer stadiums after notorious suicide bombers, no more glorifying genocide by naming streets and parks after suicide bombers. No more teaching children that all their problems are caused by Israel and the Jews.

Now that would be a start.

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By david2000, June 29, 2007 at 11:21 pm Link to this comment

If the Quartet really believes the “two -state solution” is still the only way to peace, then the following provisions of the PLO Charter must be immediately amended by the Palestinian National Council,  since they totally contradict the “two- state solution“ to which the Quartet is so inextricably tied

Article 1:  “Palestine is the homeland of the Arab Palestinian people.”
Article 2:  “Palestine with the boundaries it had during the British Mandate is an indivisible territorial unit.”
Article 15:    “The liberation of Palestine … aims at the elimination of Zionism in Palestine” 
Article 19:  “The partition of Palestine in 1947 and the establishment of the state of Israel are entirely illegal, regardless of the passage of time”
Article 20:  “The Balfour Declaration, the Mandate for Palestine and everything that has been based on them, are deemed null and void.”

Oslo and everything following since 1993 has failed because this quantum leap in thinking was not demanded before any negotiations took place. A handshake on the White House lawns was not sufficient.

The charade that Mr Blair can negotiate with the Palestinians whilst they officially continue to deny the right of existence of the Jewish State must end. 

No amendments to the PLO Charter = no negotiations, no State.

The equation for progressing the “two state solution” is really is as simple as that.

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By Robert, June 29, 2007 at 10:36 pm Link to this comment

June 29, 2007

Tony Blair on Work Release
The Peace Envoy
By GILAD ATZMON

“What a great day for peace enthusiasts! A new envoy to the Middle East has been appointed for the Quartet, and it’s no other than the former British PM, Tony Blair. Blair, the man who gave the Israelis the green light to flatten Beirut. Blair, the man who started an illegal war in Iraq. Blair, a man who, according to the Geneva Conventions, is to be held personally responsible for more than 700,000 dead in Iraq for failing to ‘protect civilian populations against certain consequences of war [1]. A man who is supposed to be charged for genocide at The Hague. That’s right, a man who should end his life behind bars is now becoming a peace envoy.

Maybe it isn’t such a bad idea. Seemingly, his partner from Washington may have sussed it all out. It is rather possible that when peace is at stake, it is actually the warmongers, the bloodthirsty criminals, the men who know no mercy and compassion who may provide the goods. At the end of the day, a rapist may know more about sex abuse than an innocent detached judge. We should never forget that for the Bushman, even Sharon, the mass killer from Sabra and Shatila was nothing less than a ‘Man of Peace’.

Who knows the truth of such complicated matters? It is rather possible that Bush is correct. It is feasible that pouring blood in such a vast quantity may have qualified Blair to be a peacemaker. Yet, there is a slight problem here. Just a marginal issue that should be addressed before Blair lands in Gaza International Docks or Ramallah’s busy Heliport. The democratically elected Hamas, the party who was voted by the Palestinian people isn’t really happy with the new envoy. If I could have a word with him, I would say, “You see Mr Blair, as things stand it is actually Hamas you have to talk to. And what about the Lebanese, did you think about them Mr Blair? Will they welcome to their country the man who just less than a year ago enthusiastically approved the total destruction of their country’s infrastructure, capital and southern regions.”

“Thus, I have a little suggestion for you, Mr. Blair. Just before you become a dove, just on your way to your first peace mission, pop over to The Hague for a few days, put yourself on trail. Prove to us and our brothers in the region that you are indeed a man of harmony and peace. You shouldn’t be too worried, you always believed in what you were doing. You always claimed to believe that liberating the Iraqi people was the right thing to do. You believed as well that destroying Lebanon’s infrastructure would bring stability to the region. You believed that dismissing the democratically elected Palestinian Government was an act of humanism.”“


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http://www.counterpunch.org/atzmon06292007.html

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By lilmamzer, June 29, 2007 at 10:18 pm Link to this comment

#82582 by Fadel Abdallah:

Bad Omen! I saw the sign “New” on another sober piece by Robert Fisk, whom I call the “Prince of Truth;” yet I see the full-time Zionist Propagandist “lil-mamzer” (aka: bastard, as a self-description) all over the place, so I see this as very bad omen indeed. This “bastard” is all intent on spoiling the truth for truth lovers, forgetting that truth has its own sustaining power, so when it’s hurled against falsehood, lo, it knocks off its rotten brain.

What can a sober person call such a hater of the vivid truth but to use the word he chose to call himself, namely “bastard?!”

One of the ironies of the Internet and freedom of speech is that the falsehoods of a “Devil of Falsehood” can appear as a footnote on the margins of the truths spoken by a “Prince of the Truth.”

Do you have anything relevant to say about the issues?

What good is a message board if every comment is parroting the same line as the one before it? Besides being deadly dull, what challenge is there without an exchange of ideas? Shouldn’t these message boards be a reflection of a vibrant marketplace of ideas rather than a local Baath Party chapter meeting?

It’s very intellectually lazy, Fadel, to try to silence the opposition with childish personal attacks rather than meet it head-on with the best argument you can make.

It’s called debate. You should try it sometime.

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By Expat, June 29, 2007 at 9:45 pm Link to this comment

Gee, put the Fox in charge of the Hen house…that’s a good idea, bad I.Q.

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By Fadel Abdallah, June 29, 2007 at 9:20 pm Link to this comment

Bad Omen! I saw the sign “New” on another sober piece by Robert Fisk, whom I call the “Prince of Truth;” yet I see the full-time Zionist Propagandist “lil-mamzer” (aka: bastard, as a self-description) all over the place, so I see this as very bad omen indeed. This “bastard” is all intent on spoiling the truth for truth lovers, forgetting that truth has its own sustaining power, so when it’s hurled against falsehood, lo, it knocks off its rotten brain.

What can a sober person call such a hater of the vivid truth but to use the word he chose to call himself, namely “bastard?!”

One of the ironies of the Internet and freedom of speech is that the falsehoods of a “Devil of Falsehood” can appear as a footnote on the margins of the truths spoken by a “Prince of the Truth.”

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By kevin99999, June 29, 2007 at 7:45 pm Link to this comment
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Blair “is a politician who has failed in everything he has ever tried to do in the Middle East.”

That is why he is a perfect choice. Do you think Israel or the U.S. wants peace in the middle east. They want to go through the machination and blame someone, notably the palestinians, for the failure. One has to be total ignorant to think Israel or the U.S. want peace.

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By lilmamzer, June 29, 2007 at 7:30 pm Link to this comment

#82544 by DennisD:

What’s next for Blair when he screws this position up too, the World Bank?

Guest columnist for Truthdig, of course.

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By DennisD, June 29, 2007 at 6:38 pm Link to this comment
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What’s next for Blair when he screws this position up too, the World Bank?

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By lilmamzer, June 29, 2007 at 5:45 pm Link to this comment

#82454 by Max Shields:

And where do you find your talking points?

My Racist-Fascist-Zionist Israeli Jew Paymaster writes them for me.
What did you think???
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Saddam is no doubt the reason hundreds of thousands of Iraqis have been killed and maimed in the last few years according to your logic.

Are you denying that Saddam Hussein was responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis? And also many more Iranians if you consider the fact that he started a brutal war with Iran in 1980?

Do you think it’s British and American soldiers who are setting off bombs in Baghdad every day that kill 50 and 60 people at a time? Seriously?
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What is is. We all know the story, its been unearthed in spite of the propaganda. But no need to blame Frisk for his helping with the dot connection. No, Blair is a lier and warmonger. How he comes by it is still unclear, but his actions will always trump the fabricators who try to find a justification for that which is obviously unjustifiable.

Please translate this.

But your story is old and tired, and cannot win over the truth Mr./Ms lilmamzer no matter the wasted words you post.

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