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Looking Back on 40 Years of Occupation

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Posted on Jun 3, 2007
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With part of Israel’s security barrier in the background, a Palestinian woman shops for produce near the Kalandia checkpoint between Jerusalem and the West Bank city of Ramallah in April 2005.

By Chris Hedges

Israel captured and occupied the Gaza Strip and the West Bank 40 years ago this week.  The victory was celebrated as a great triumph, at once tripling the size of the land under Israeli control, including East Jerusalem.  It was, however, a Pyrrhic victory.  As the occupation stretched over the decades, it transformed and deformed Israeli society.  It led Israel to abandon the norms and practices of a democratic society until, in the name of national security, it began to routinely accept the brutal violence of occupation and open discrimination and abuse of Palestinians, including the torture of prisoners and collective reprisals for Palestinians attacks.  Palestinian neighborhoods, olive groves and villages were, in the name of national security, bulldozed into the ground.

Israel’s image has shifted from that of a heroic, open society set amid a sea of despotic regimes to that of an international pariah.  Israel’s West Bank separation barrier, built ostensibly to keep out Palestinian bombers, has also been used to swallow huge tracts of the West Bank into Israel.  Palestinian towns are ringed by Israeli checkpoints.  Major roads in the West Bank are reserved for Israeli settlers.  The U.N. estimates that about half the West Bank is now off-limits to Palestinians.  And every week there are new reports of Palestinian produce that is held up until it rots, pregnant women giving birth in cars because they cannot get to hospitals, and even senseless and avoidable deaths, such as one young woman who died recently when she couldn’t get through a checkpoint to her kidney dialysis treatment.

“We are raising commanders who are policemen,” former Israeli General Amiram Levine told the newspaper Maariv. “We ask them to excel at the checkpoint. What does it means to excel at the checkpoint?  It means being enough of a bastard to delay a pregnant woman from getting to the hospital.”

The occupation was benign at the beginning.  Israelis crossed into Palestinian territory to buy cheap vegetables, eat at local restaurants, spend the weekend in the desert oasis of Jericho and get their cars fixed.  The Palestinians were a pool of cheap labor and by the mid-1980s, 40 percent of the Palestinian workforce was employed in Israel.  The Palestinians flowed over the border to the shops and beaches of Tel Aviv.  But the second-class status of Palestinians, growing repression by Israeli authorities in the West Bank and Gaza and festering poverty saw Palestinians, most of them too young to remember the moment of occupation, rise up in December 1987 to launch six years of street protests.  The uprising eventually led to a peace accord between Israel and the Palestine Liberation Organization led by Yasir Arafat.  Arafat, who had spent most of his life in exile, returned in triumph to Gaza. 

The Oslo Accords that followed momentarily heralded a new era, a moment of hope.  I was in Gaza when they were signed.  The Gaza Strip was awash in a giddy optimism.  Palestinian businessmen who had made their fortunes abroad returned to help build the new Palestinian state.  The radical Islamists seemed to shrink away.  Palestinian women threw off their head scarves and beauty salons sprouted on city streets.  There was a brief and shining sense that life could be normal, free from strife and violence, that finally Palestinians had a future.  But it all swiftly turned sour.  The 1995 assassination of Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin, coupled with mounting draconian restrictions on Palestinians to prevent them from entering Israel and keep them in submission, led to another uprising in 2000.  This one, which I also covered for The New York Times, was far more violent.  This latest uprising has led to the deaths of more than 4,300 Palestinians and 1,100 Israelis.  It ushered in an Israeli policy that saw Jewish settlers relocated from Gaza.  Gaza was then sealed off like a vast prison.  Israel also began to build a security barrier—at a cost of about $ 1 million per mile—in the West Bank.  When it is done, the barrier is expected to incorporate 40 percent of Palestinian land into the Israeli state. 

Israeli air strikes have, over the past year, decimated the infrastructure in Gaza, destroying bridges, power stations and civilian administration buildings.  The breakdown in law and order, coupled with the growing desperation in Gaza, has triggered an internecine conflict between Hamas and Fatah.  There are some 200 Palestinians who have died in clashes and street fighting between the two factions during the past year—more than one-third of those killed by Israel during the same period. 

The Israeli abuses have been well documented, not only by international human rights organizations, but Israeli human rights groups such as B’Tselem.  On June 4, 2007, Amnesty International released a new 45-page report called “Enduring Occupation: Palestinians Under Siege in the West Bank,” which again illustrates the devastating impact of four decades of Israeli military occupation. The report documents the relentless expansion of unlawful settlements on occupied land.  It details the ways Israel has seized or denied crucial resources, such as water, to Palestinians under occupation.  It documents a plethora of measures that confine Palestinians to fragmented enclaves and hinder their access to work, health and education facilities. These measures include the 700-kilometer barrier or wall, more than 500 checkpoints and blockades, and a complicated system of permits to heavily restrict movement.

“Palestinians living in the West Bank are blocked at every turn. This is not simply an inconvenience—it can be a matter of life or death.  It is unacceptable that women in labor, sick children, or victims of accidents on their way to hospital should be forced to take long detours and face delays which can cost them their lives,” said Malcolm Smart, director of Amnesty International’s Middle East and North Africa Program. 

“International action is urgently needed to address the widespread human rights abuses being committed under the occupation, and which are fueling resentment and despair among a predominantly young and increasingly radicalized Palestinian population,” said Smart.  “For 40 years, the international community has failed to adequately address the Israeli-Palestinian problem; it cannot, must not, wait another 40 years to do so.”

Of Gaza’s 1.4 million residents, a staggering 1.1 million now depend on outside food assistance.  The World Food Program has identified Gaza as one of the world’s hunger global hot spots.  The WFP is a principal food aid provider to Palestinians, providing assistance to 640,000 Palestinians, more than a third of them in Gaza.

The desperation—with young men unable to find work, travel outside the Gaza Strip or West Bank and forced to sleep 10 to a room in concrete hovels without running water—has empowered the Islamic radicals.  The desperation has led the Palestinian population, once one of the most secular in the Middle East, to turn to radical fundamentalism.  The more pressure and violence Israel employs, the more these radicals are empowered.

The Israeli lobby in the United States is captive to the far right of Israeli politics.  It exerts influence not on behalf of the Jewish state but an ideological strain within Israel that believes it can crush Palestinian aspirations through force.  The self-defeating policies of the Bush administration are mirrored in the self-defeating policies championed by the hard-right administration of Prime Minister Ehud Olmert in Jerusalem.  Israel flouts international law and dismisses Security Council resolutions to respect the integrity of Palestinian territory.  It has instead trapped Palestinians in squalid, barricaded ghettos where they barely survive. 

It is not in Israel’s interest—or our own—to continue to fuel increased Palestinian strife and rising militancy.  Economic sanctions and an arms ban against Israel are our last hope.  These were the tools that toppled the apartheid regime in South Africa.  And it was, after all, the sanctions imposed by the first President Bush—he suspended $10 billion of loan guarantees for resettling Russian immigrants in Israel—that prodded right-wing Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir to attend peace talks in Madrid.

A trade embargo—even if imposed only by European states—would be a start.  It is outside pressure that can alone halt the inexorable slide into a conflict that could become regional.  And a new regional conflict with Israel could spell the end of the Zionist experiment in the Middle East.  It may be quixotic, perhaps even impossible, but it is the last measure left to save Israel from itself.

Chris Hedges is a veteran journalist and former Mideast bureau chief for The New York Times. His most recent book is “American Fascists: The Christian Right and the War On America.”

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By Billy the Dik, June 12, 2007 at 4:20 pm #
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ITH, “the Whore Weasel Song”?  Is that your autobigraphical ditty?  I don’t know it but if you’ll hum a few balls…

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By Billy the Dik, June 12, 2007 at 4:14 pm #
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Teitelbaum said ZIONISM was more than happy to see the mechanizations of its “predicitions” or “prophecy” if you like, come to pass, not the Jews!!

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By Charles Barton, June 12, 2007 at 3:15 pm #
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“ITW & Barton...are just frothing and moaning at the mouth. They have NO substance at all.” - Robert

Robert, Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words can never hurt me. The last time I frothed at the mouth I had swollowed too much beer, but i did no moan.  I usually do not froth at the mouth and moan when I laugh so much I fall down.  You ought to read my earlier comments about pejorative language.  Robert you don’t seem to understand the points I am trying to make.  Perhaps I am being to harsh on you.  You might actually be a 7th grader instead of just thinking like one.

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By Inherit The Wind, June 12, 2007 at 2:18 pm #
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Here goes Robert:
“ ITW & Barton...are just frothing and moaning at the mouth. They have NO substance at all.

I think ITW needs to join his pal “looney/lefty=ephraim” psyche ward. No one in his/her NORMAL state of mind would make or advocate what “stenchy/lefty’s” posted. NOTICE that ITW is staying low & not even making a sound about it. He is SILENT! Just imagine if someone posted a comment to nuke Israel/Jews/zionists...what would ITW say? Would he remain “SILENT” as he is doing right now...in regards to his “dear” pal ‘looney/lefty’?

Who knows, maybe ITW shares and advocates the same message and/or agenda of the abscessed pus filled skull of...looney/lefty=ephraim ? “

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Didn’t I tell you he would do this?

“Watch, just watch: One of them will call me a feculant name and then say I’m crazy, ranting and need a chill pill--as predictible as lunar eclipses!”

Robert,
Everytime someone disagrees with you, you heap abuse on them.  That’s the mark of a TRUE Fascist--you cannot tolerate even a shred of an independent opinion. 

Next, you’ll shriek that my ideas and opinions aren’t independent, they are dictated to me by AIPAC, the Israel Government, The Elders of Zion (and their Protocols), and, don’t forget, The Great Pumpkin.  You’ll through in all sorts of disgusting substances, mainly fecal, and deem yourself highly clever.

Billy the Dik will agree with you and add his own “flavor” but at least TW is enough of a gentleman to stay clear of that.

Just like a Republican senator saying “Tax-and-Spend Democrats!” while adding a $250 million ear-mark.

When do you and Billy break out The Horst Wesel Song?

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By Robert, June 12, 2007 at 1:54 pm #
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Comment #77335 by Billy TD on 6/12

Billy...your short and precise comment to “looney/lefty” is to the damn point. ONLY a truly sick & a beyond help infected “jackass” would post such vile. After all...let us consider the SOURCE!

Looney/lefty truly needs to shut the hell up & join his IDF humanity department. HE FITS THEIR STANDARDS & QUALIFICATIONS! KILL ARABS/PALESTINIANS AND CRY ANTI-SEMITISM!

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By Robert, June 12, 2007 at 1:40 pm #
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Comment #77311 by Peter RV on 6/12 at 8:06 am

PRV...your assessment of our peace loving/nuke advocates zionists on this forum is correct.

THESE ZEALOTS ARE NO STRANGERS TO EACH OTHER. THEY ALL SOUND AS “ONE”...DEPENDING ON THE “ORCHESTRATED PLAN” OF THE MOMENT AND/OR DAY.

ITW & Barton...are just frothing and moaning at the mouth. They have NO substance at all.

I think ITW needs to join his pal “looney/lefty=ephraim” psyche ward. No one in his/her NORMAL state of mind would make or advocate what “stenchy/lefty’s” posted. NOTICE that ITW is staying low & not even making a sound about it. He is SILENT! Just imagine if someone posted a comment to nuke Israel/Jews/zionists...what would ITW say? Would he remain “SILENT” as he is doing right now...in regards to his “dear” pal ‘looney/lefty’?

Who knows, maybe ITW shares and advocates the same message and/or agenda of the abscessed pus filled skull of...looney/lefty=ephraim ?

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By Inherit The Wind, June 12, 2007 at 10:38 am #
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IHW,

Now you are talking my language. The Palestinians, the Israelis and also the Americans need leaders genuinely committed to peace and democracy above and beyond all else. Then there will be peace and democracy. It’s that simple. What the people have now are are gangs of phonies and liars dragging them into endless war. All three peoples have had lies and hate dinned into their ears for generations and that is why they have such leaders.

On the relationship of Judaism to modern Zionism, you can argue with Grand Rebbe Joel Teitelbaum:

“Six million Jews were killed as a result of the Zionists”

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Teitelbaum is an criminally idiotic and morally bankrupt.  Jews weren’t responsible for the Holocaust and anyone who says they were, like Teitelbaum, is scum. The old-time Chassidim who are against the foundation of Israel until Moshiach (The Messiah) comes will say ANYTHING to support their position.  Quoting him is like quoting Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson right after 9/11--that it was punishment for tolerating Gays and liberals in America.

TW: It’s time you got real and wake up--the coffee’s brewing. Time to smell it.

This from the top left of Today’s NYTimes:

“Palestinian Leaders Targeted in Rising Violence

By ISABEL KERSHNER and GRAHAM BOWLEY
Published: June 12, 2007
JERUSALEM, June 12 — Gunmen fired a rocket-propelled grenade at the home of Palestinian Prime Minister Ismail Haniya of Hamas today, and mortar shells hit the Gaza City office of Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas of Fatah, as the worst factional fighting among Palestinians in nearly a month intensified significantly, taking the conflict closer to what seemed like full-blown civil war. “

The Palestinians are launching a full-scale terrorist war on each other for who gets to be Captain of The Titanic.  And you want Israel to open its doors and lay down its defenses and trust THESE maniacs with their childrens’ lives? You go first and we’ll see if YOU survive!

TW, you missed my point: The Palestinians would MURDER any Gandhi or Mandella who appeared, and do it summarily, then get back to their internecine gang war.

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By Tony Wicher, June 12, 2007 at 10:25 am #
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re #77254 by Inherit The Wind on 6/12 at 4:26 am
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“I would love to see a Mandela or Gandhi emerge, with strength, dignity, moral force--and a bullet-proof vest.  The Palestinians need one--and the Israelis would do well with one too.”

IHW,

Now you are talking my language. The Palestinians, the Israelis and also the Americans need leaders genuinely committed to peace and democracy above and beyond all else. Then there will be peace and democracy. It’s that simple. What the people have now are are gangs of phonies and liars dragging them into endless war. All three peoples have had lies and hate dinned into their ears for generations and that is why they have such leaders. 

On the relationship of Judaism to modern Zionism, you can argue with Grand Rebbe Joel Teitelbaum:

“Six million Jews were killed as a result of the Zionists”

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/rabbi_quotes/vayoelm oshe1.cfm#6Million

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By Billy the Dik, June 12, 2007 at 10:12 am #
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Peter RV, accept my apology, in the heat of disgust I jumped the gun on your post and I’m sorry.

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By Billy the Dik, June 12, 2007 at 10:06 am #
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Yeah, Lefty, why should Israel suffer this double standard?  Why, why, why.  Can you imagine how many Jews wish you would shut the f+ck up and go soak your head?  Not to mention everybody else.

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By Billy the Dik, June 12, 2007 at 10:02 am #
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Inherit the wind bag, BTW, they found your great-grandmother, she’s in the occupied territories with a new generation and under a new boot heel.

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By Billy the Dik, June 12, 2007 at 9:58 am #
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Peter VD, Dershowitz, a “scholar”??  Hahahahahahha!  One very distasteful and childish aspect of blind zionists is their automatic self-importance.  Every discussion is based on the too-rarely-unspoken assumption that the issue begins and ends with themselves.  It’s like watching a classroom of toddlers trying to understand the concept of “out there.” If Dershowitz is a scholar, Rush Limbaugh is a goodwill ambassador.  I recommend you look at his record from a perspective other than his own.  Dershowitz is a proven fraud.  So he graduated from the august halls of Harvard?  Bush did the same at Yale and they’re of nearly equal caliber human beings.

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By Inherit The Wind, June 12, 2007 at 8:56 am #
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“ Why is it NOT ok to use the same as above on Israelis, Jews...etc...? Why is ITW screaming on this forum & keeps sarcastically hinting directly and indirectly about “anti-semitism?

Why “DOESN’T” ITW hold the same “logic/standards” when his zionist pals spew their labels/names, such as, Arabs, Moslems, Jihadists...etc… on us? Isn’t that RACISM & fits in the same definition category as ...anti-semitic and the “N” word?

Why is ITW SILENT when the worst form of RACISM is being used by his zionist pals on this forum?

Can ITW see further than his zionist ideology’s circle allows him to see? Where is the application & LOGIC? “
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Robert,
Perhaps if you went back and actually READ what I wrote you might find some surprises: Like my opinion of Sharon and Netanyahu (and others) aren’t much better than yours.

You might also find that I think the radical right in Israel has made a huge mess where peace was possible.

I’m aware that there are fanatics who want to tear down the Dome of The Rock, just like there are fanatics who want to blow up The Western Wall.  They are both wrong.

But the idea that Jews in Israel are being held to a far, FAR higher standard by the critics than their neighbors shows that their critics (like you) aren’t interested in the for-show straw man Justice, or Fairness, merely in eradicating the Jews from the Middle East.

You continually myopically see only the conflict between Israeli and Palestinian. You ignore all the politics and pressures from the other Arab nations to keep this conflict going and to NEVER let it be resolved.  Arab politicians who seriously work to end the conflict GET SHOT! (remember Anwar Sadat?  How about all the Lebanese Gemayiels who have been assassinated for advocating a negotiated peace?)

When every Arab leader who advocates sitting down and negotiating gets murdered by his fellow Arabs, what Israeli can ever believe peace is possible? If every documentand every speech someone (like Hamas) makes calls for the destruction of Israel and the death of EVERY Jew, I guess you feel that’s OK.

I guess if it was you and your family you might not think it quite so “Ok”.

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By Charles Barton, June 12, 2007 at 8:08 am #
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“Isn’t calling someone an “ARAB” or a “MOSLEM” or a “Jihadist” in a derogatory way the SAME AS THE “N” word?” - Robert

Gee Robert, When Egyptians refer to each other by the “A” word, are they being racist?  Or is this a special exception like Afro-Americans using the “N” word with each other.  When a follower of Islam, refers to devotees of his religion using the “M” word, is he being racist?  Might it be considered racist, by Robert’s standard, to refer to followers of the Religion of Moses by using the “J” word?  Are we demeaning members of the radical Islamic organization, Islamic Jihad, by using the other “J” word to classify them.  In fact I must wonder if “Islamic” - lest call it “I” word 1, and “Islamicist” - “I” word 2 - are all racist terms.  What about Palestinians - the “P” word.  Come to think of it, calling someone Robert has suddenly become pretty insulting in my book.  Maybe we should refer to it as the “R” word.

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By Peter RV, June 12, 2007 at 8:06 am #
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Ref.#77292 by Robert.

Robert,
These people don’t have any arguments. All that is left to them is to deny the truth and they know that we know what the truth is. Hence their resort to what they think are insults, when in fact, it is an admission of their impotence to stop us from having a civilized conversation.
I have also noticed that they disappear for a day or two, to reappear with their usual avalanche of inarticulate screems. Apparently they have their separate pow-wow out of the forum, to receive instructions.
The theme of the discussion should have been this Chris Hedges’ magnificent account of the Palestinian ordeal after fourty years of a most brutal occupation. The Goons, as predictable, havent produced a single interesting detail or even expression, as a contribution. Their facts insofar as they are, are totally irrelevant to the point, and their arguments, as usual, are obscenities.
It is a herd instinct of the ‘tribe’.

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By Robert, June 12, 2007 at 8:03 am #
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Comments #77297, #77296. #77295 by Nahida on 6/12

Nahida,

Your comments are really powerful. Israel’s brutal IDF using Palestinians civilians & children as “NUMAN SHIELDS” on “youtube” videos.

Those IDF killers are armed to their teeth, but they are still using children as human Shields? Wow...what a gruesome killing machine!

I am sure that we are only seeing a fraction of a percent of what really goes on over there.

Imagine if these videos were seen by a large portion of the American people...I think that it will start an outrage by people who stand up & believe in fairness, TRUTH, justice.

JUST THINK WHAT ISRAEL’S IDF ARE USING TO KILL PALESTINIAN CHILDREN AND UNARMED INNOCENT CIVILIANS? THEY ARE USING OUR AMERICAN MADE WEAPONS THAT ARE GIVEN TO ISRAEL...FOR FREE...AT NO COST TO THE ISRAELIS!

LOOK AT THE COSTS THAT PALESTINIANS AND THEIR CHILDREN HAVE TO PAY? THEY ARE PAYING WITH THEIR LIVES!

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By nahida, June 12, 2007 at 7:37 am #
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To all terrorist zionists (here and elsewhere):

If you could only learn one simple fact from your existence on this planet, you would’ve achieved something:

“As you sow you shall reap”

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By nahida, June 12, 2007 at 7:21 am #
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Israeli Soldiers using Palestinians as Human Shields

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjEd4hJNVCE&mode=re lated&search;=

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By nahida, June 12, 2007 at 7:19 am #
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Video Israel Doesn’t Want You to See

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tW1-_JmXQt0&eurl;=

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By nahida, June 12, 2007 at 7:18 am #
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Israeli troops shoot Hebron family - 05 June 07

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_CRzdlA5To&eurl;=

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By Robert, June 12, 2007 at 7:02 am #
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Comment #77253 by Peter RV

PRV...our hysterical ranting zionists on this forum have been screaming & flailing at us with all sorts of racist names, racist labels & racist attacks. Their trails of their racist agenda are well documented in practically all their posts.

Apparently to these zionists bigots’ logic, it is quite appropriate & acceptable to label anyone who criticizes Israel & zionism’s ideolodies as Arabs, Moslems, Islamists, Jihadists...and other racist names.

TO THESE PEOPLE...THESE LABELS/NAMES ARE “NOT” RACIST. THEY DON’T BELONG IN THE SAME CATEGORY AS “ANTI-SEMITIC”.

Isn’t calling someone an “ARAB” or a “MOSLEM” or a “Jihadist” in a derogatory way the SAME AS THE “N” word? Isn’t that RACISM and BIGOTRY?

So why is it acceptable for zionists/Israelis and others to use these derogatory names and/or racist labels and apparently its ok for them to use in their every day conversations, talk shows, internet forums and so on...?

Why is it NOT ok to use the same as above on Israelis, Jews...etc...? Why is ITW screaming on this forum & keeps sarcastically hinting directly and indirectly about “anti-semitism?

Why “DOESN’T” ITW hold the same “logic/standards” when his zionist pals spew their labels/names, such as, Arabs, Moslems, Jihadists...etc… on us? Isn’t that RACISM & fits in the same definition category as ...anti-semitic and the “N” word?

Why is ITW SILENT when the worst form of RACISM is being used by his zionist pals on this forum?

Can ITW see further than his zionist ideology’s circle allows him to see? Where is the application & LOGIC?

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By nahida, June 12, 2007 at 6:45 am #
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Gaza air strikes footage - 17 May 07:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLUfUvciSbQ&eurl;=

but “peaceful” zionist, ( jewish terrorist) lefty is not happy still, he wants to nuke Gaza and the rest of the Arab world!!

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By nahida, June 12, 2007 at 6:40 am #
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Burning Conscience: Israeli Soldiers Speak Out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37MFa7ZKQWo&mode=re lated&search;=

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By Lefty, June 12, 2007 at 6:39 am #
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I don’t understand why Israel doesn’t nuke Gaza, the West Bank, Jordan, Syria, Iran, Lybia et al., right now!  There is no doubt that, if Israel does not destroy this enemy now, any one of these Arab nations will nuke Israel just as soon as it obtains nuclear weapons capability.  The Arabs have been trying to ethnically cleans the middle east of all of its Jews for over 2000 years.  Each and every Arab state would destroy the nation of Israel and murder each and every Jew in it, if it could.  And, not one Arab would object, not one.

Why should Israel suffer this double standard? 

There are only 2 scenarios: 1) Israel can nuke the Arabs sitting on their camels, or 2) Israel can wait for the incoming Arab nuclear bombs.

Why wait? Just do it now!

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By Inherit The Wind, June 12, 2007 at 4:26 am #
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“In the face of the incredibly onerous Israeli oppression, do you think it is possible for Palestinians to unite around a leadership comnmitted to democracy and nonviolence? Can your people elevate from among themselves a Mandela, a Gandhi?”

Yes, that would be wonderful, for everyone, until Hamas slaughters him.

TW, your knowledge of Judaism is lacking.  The Passover Seder, for 2000 years, since the Diaspora, has ended with the phrase “Next year in Jerusalem”.

The modern movement of Herzl is, however, linked to the extreme prosecution that occured in Europe, especially Eastern Europe, in the 19th and early 20th century.  The “Pogrom” existed long before Auschwitz, and was an Eastern European phrase.  In Tsarist Russia, Jews were seen as a regular scapegoat to blame when the Russian aristocracy and autocracy really screwed up, as they did a lot.

So they would blame the Jews and send the Cossacks to burn some villages.  I lost a great-grandmother in one of those back in the 1890’s.

But what you have consistently failed to acknowledge is that the Zionist movement was a search for a SAFE homeland, naturally based around the holy sites of the religion.

You would have Israel give up the Western Wall. “Return to the 1967 boundaries” means just that.  You might as well ask Saudi Arabia to give up the Ka’aba in Mecca, or Medina. Or ask the Pope to give up the Vatican.

TW: You keep dodging a fundamental question: Why is it OK for the 22 Arab Moslem states in the Middle-East to practice discrimation, segregation and even genocide (Darfur) but Israelis are to be condemned, blockaded, boycotted for far less transgressions?

Make no mistake: Since the death of Rabin and the ouster of Peres, the Israeli Govt has been run by fools and nincompoops. Olmert is about the worst excuse for a “liberal” I’ve ever seen.  They need to clean up their situation.

Yet the Palestinians have turned corruption and violent intimidation amongst themselves into an art form.  How can Hamas POSSIBLY live in peaceful harmony with Jews when they can’t even do it with fellow Sunni Arabs who are also Palestinian?

I would love to see a Mandela or Gandhi emerge, with strength, dignity, moral force--and a bullet-proof vest.  The Palestinians need one--and the Israelis would do well with one too.

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By Peter RV, June 12, 2007 at 4:21 am #
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Everyone knows who an Anti-Semite is.
It is one of those who is capable of doubting anything about the Holocaust, or one who wants another Holocaust, you know, by opposing the Israeli “security” measures. Generally, the ones who publicly fail to approve the code of conduct of the IDF in those eternally occupied “territories”. To these one can add various Jew-Haters such as Nazies or Catholics or those simply envious of the Jews. As one can see , we are, what may be called- a multi-cultural club.
But, what about the Semites?
They somehow fail to declare their existance. Strange, isn’t it, that we have no definition for them. I am proposing here one for the debate :
All those who, in their infinite adoration of Israel, by a pavlovian reaction, attack preventively
anyone who tries to contradict them, by calling them “Anti-Semites”.
I sense a weakness in this definition: to define something by its “Anti”, but this is for discussion.
I was always taught that Arabs were also Semites but our scholars (Dershowits and Co)have convinced me that Anti-Semitism has nothing to do with them, worse, the Arabs themselves are anti-semitic when it comes to their opinions about-Israel. Let it be so.
The concept of Semites doesn’t encompass all the Jews, only the ‘tribal’ ones (some of these we have on our forum- so, special definition un-necessary). It includes quite a bit of our politicians, AIPAC bought or controlled, so the crowd looks superficially diverse but unshakable in its strict credo.
I am, myself, a ‘sui generis’ anti-Semite who believes that we are having more and more adherants as the events develop in the way as to confirm our predictions. This anti-Semitism is not only, not harmfull but it is desirable and indispensible if we are to restore our Republic, which is falling rapidly into a fatalistic, nazi-religious delirium.
It consists of a rule of proportionality:
Anti-Semitism must be strictly proportional to the acts of abomination of the Semites (Israel included), which is the only way we can send the message to the Semites- to change their ways.
As they start behaving humainly (i.e. listening to Norman Finkelstein,instead of trying to crucify him) our hostility would vanish.

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By lilmamzer, June 12, 2007 at 3:11 am #
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#77225 by Tony Wicher:
Amen, sister. In the face of the incredibly onerous Israeli oppression, do you think it is possible for Palestinians to unite around a leadership comnmitted to democracy and nonviolence? Can your people elevate from among themselves a Mandela, a Gandhi?

Amen, Amen, Amen.

Here’s what happened in Gaza today:
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Ismail Haniyeh unscathed in RPG attack
By ASSOCIATED PRESS
GAZA CITY, June 12, 2007 -

A rocket-propelled grenade (RPG) hit the home of Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh of Hamas on Tuesday, in what Hamas said was an attempted assassination. The house was damaged, but Haniyeh and his family, who were inside, were not harmed.

The attack came during the bloodiest 24-hour period yet in latest round of Hamas-Fatah fighting, which erupted again in May, after several weeks of lull. Seventeen people were killed Monday and Tuesday, including several in street executions, as hospitals turned into battle grounds.

Both Hamas and Fatah, on Web sites and in text messages to activists, called for the execution of the other side’s military and political leaders.

A Hamas Web site described the incident as an assassination attempt. Hamas spokesman Fawzi Barhoum accused Fatah of targeting Palestinian institutions to undermine Hamas rule. “They crossed all the red lines,” he said.

Late Monday, gunmen, apparently from Hamas, laid siege to the house of Jamal Abu al-Jediyan, the senior Fatah official in northern Gaza, then dragged him outside and killed him. Medics said he was hit with 45 bullets.

Early Tuesday, three women and a child were killed when Hamas militants attacked the home of a senior Fatah security official with mortars and grenades, security officials said. The gunmen seized Hassan Abu Rabie and killed his 14-year-old son and three other women in the house, hospital officials said.

Also, Fatah gunmen stormed the house of a Hamas lawmaker and burned it to the ground.

A bloody clash took place Monday in the northern Gaza town of Beit Hanoun. Fatah and Hamas gunmen exchanged fire near the hospital, killing a Hamas supporter. The battle then moved to the hospital, where three men - a father and two sons from the Fatah-allied al-Masri clan - were shot dead.
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The article goes on and on.........

These are Palestinian Arabs killing other Palestinian Arabs.

What do you think they would do to the Jews?

The Jews already know the answer to that question.

That’s why Israel exists - so Jews won’t ever have to live as a minority under the rule of people like this.

That’s self-determination.

Tony Wicher - you are such a passionate advocate for the destruction of Israel - why don’t you convert to Judaism and thn go live in Gaza amongst these people and demonstrate for us how a “one-state” solution would work.

That would be the empirical way to prove your point.

You would fail of course, by being slaughtered. But at least you would have honorably tried to make your point instead of demanding, from the safety of California, that Jews offer themselves up to the slaughter to satisfy your oddball ideas.

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By Billy the Dik, June 11, 2007 at 11:20 pm #
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Dependence on a “hero” is a myth promoted in the patriarchical history books.  If I may,..

“George Washington was not the American Revolution.  Martin Luther King was not the civil rights movement.  MLK was certainly important,..but the civil rights movement happened because lots of people, whose names we’ll never know, got together in the South and made it happen.”

Prof. Chomsky

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By Tony Wicher, June 11, 2007 at 10:45 pm #
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Re #76969 by nahida on 6/11 at 2:20 am
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Amen, sister. In the face of the incredibly onerous Israeli oppression, do you think it is possible for Palestinians to unite around a leadership comnmitted to democracy and nonviolence? Can your people elevate from among themselves a Mandela, a Gandhi?

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By Billy the Dik, June 11, 2007 at 10:33 pm #
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Tony, thanks for the link to jewsagainstzionism.com

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By Tony Wicher, June 11, 2007 at 10:23 pm #
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Re #77081 by Inherit The Wind on 6/11 at 2:09 pm
“So the anti-Semites, oops, “Anti-Zionists” are coming out of the closet again.  I keep waiting for them to say, “You know, Hitler might have been right about the Jews, oops, ‘Zionists’(chortle)”

They self-righteously have come up with “new” ways to justify their anti-Semitism, oops, “anti-Zionism” that are all exactly the same old lies.  Just substitute “International Jewry” for “International Zionism” and you see it the same damn thing all over again. “Jewish World Domination” is now “Zionist Imperialism”.

Nothing but code words, pioneered by the American Nazi Party.

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We have to be very careful to understand who the real “anti-Semites” are, for sure. Now racism comes in many forms, and I say Nazism is one and Zionism is another.

One of the major deceptions of Zionism is identification of Zionism with Judaism. Judaism has existed for thousands of years. Anti-semitism as I understand it begins with the Roman Catholic Church and the idea that “the Jews killed Jesus”. This idea was put into the heads of little children for two millenia, and it spawned all kinds of persecution. The Nazis just took advantage of this pre-existing condition for a scapegoat to misdirect the German people’s attention while they went about taking power.

Zionism, the idea of a “return” of Jews to a Jewish state in Palestine, is not thousands of years old. It was born toward the end of the 19th century, born in the fevered brain of Theodore Herzl only a generation before Nazism was born in the equally fevered brain of one Adolph Schickelgruber. I wouldn’t doubt it if Hitler read Herzel and got his inspiriation there.

Zionism is racism, and calling those who call it what it is “anti-Semitic” is precisely to give those very Nazis that you are talking about the cover and respectablility they need. When Jews support Israel no matter what it does, no matter how immoral its behavior, this also gives real anti-Semites cover and respectablility. Thus, objectively, Zionism and Nazism work hand in hand, and they always have. Both are a danger to democracy, and both should be seen as such by all Americans, especially Jewish Americans. They should be more alarmed than any other group. They must see where this is all heading and dissociate themselves from Zionism.

Here is an article from the “Jews Against Zionism” website.

“Zionism Promotes Anti-Semitism”

Theodor Herzl (1860-1904), the founder of modern Zionism, recognized that anti-Semitism would further his cause, the creation of a separate state for Jews. To solve the Jewish Question, he maintained “we must, above all, make it an international political issue.”

Herzl wrote that Zionism offered the world a welcome “final solution of the Jewish question.” In his “Diaries”, page 19, Herzl stated “Anti-Semites will become our surest friends, anti-Semitic countries our allies.”

Zionist reliance on Anti-Semitism to further their goals continues to this day. Studies of immigration records reflect increased immigration to the Zionist state during times of increased anti-Semitism. Without a continued inflow of Jewish immigrants to the state of “Israel”, it is estimated that within a decade the Jewish population of the Zionist state will become the minority.

In order to maintain a Jewish majority in the state of “Israel”, its leaders promote anti-Semitism throughout the world to “encourage” Jews to leave their homelands and seek “refuge”.

The rest of the article may be viewed at

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/antisemitism/zionism promotes.cfm

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By Inherit The Wind, June 11, 2007 at 7:41 pm #
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Notice how the anti-semites, oops! (heh, heh!) anti-"zionists" call everyone names who challenge them.  Notice that those names are all feculant?  And, of course, since Truthdig has reveiled itself to be anti-semitic--OOPS!--"anti-zionist" they let it happen.

That’s an old Nazi trick as well--name-calling. Constant, continuous, repetitive and redolant hate-filled, until murder and genocide are justified.

In 1921 and 1922, they sang
“Death to Walther Rathenau,
That goddam rotten Jewish sow!”

And sure enough, in 1922, Dr. Walther Rathenau, the Foreign Minister of Germany, was assassinated.  The killers barely served 8 years. 

Oh, yes--they were anti-Semitic, WHOOPS!!!! “anti-Zionist”.  See, the Jews were taking over Germany and Rathenau was proof of that.

Sounds exactly the same as the Jew-haters on this board, who pretend they love Jews but hate “Zionists”.  “See? The Jews, Oops! “Zionists"(chortle) are running America!

Bastard nazis using our own freedoms against us to destroy our freedom.

Watch, just watch: One of them will call me a feculant name and then say I’m crazy, ranting and need a chill pill--as predictible as lunar eclipses!

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By Robert, June 11, 2007 at 4:36 pm #
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There goes “stenchy/lefty” he gets knocked down by a “baboon” with “ONLY” one weeks training.

Its been one knockdown after another for ole...stenchy/lefty=ephraim. We are all witnessing his failures and humiliations...almost on a daily basis. I think that he still has a black/blue lump on his left jaw...it was that left hook from Peter RV !!! Lefty...Just can’t seem to forget that! Who could?

HAVE YOU GOT SOMETHING NEW...LEFTY=EPHRAIM? ARE YOU NOT CAPABLE OR WHAT? TELL YOUR HELPERS TO GIVE YOU SOMETHING BEYOND “BABOON” IQ LEVELS...FOR YOU TO TYPE & POST.

COME ON STENCHY...GIVE US YOUR BEST. YOU ARE LOOKING PRETTY BAD TO ALL OF US & THE TRUTHDIG READERS.

PRODUCE SOMETHING ...NEW ! DON’T LET YOUR PALS DOWN..YOU IDIOT!

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By lilmamzer, June 11, 2007 at 3:22 pm #
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GAZA CITY, June 11, 2007 - Militants battling on the rooftops of Gaza fired on the Palestinian government headquarters on Monday, forcing the ministers to flee the building. The unusually brazen factional fighting left seven Palestinians dead, including three killed in a hospital gunbattle.

Fighting between Fatah and Hamas forces resumed over the weekend, and the attacks have grown bolder. Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh’s home was shot at early Monday, and hours later a Hamas supporter was killed in a firefight near Beit Hanoun Hospital, witnesses said. The fighting shifted into the hospital, where three people with ties to Fatah were killed.

On Sunday, two militants from the rival sides were dragged onto high-rise rooftops and thrown to their deaths.
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That’s the same way Uday Hussein used to murder his victims. Let’s give them a state!

Hey Nahida - what do you think your beloved Palestinian Arabs would do to the Jews in your absurd “one-state genocide” scenario if this is what they do to each other?

No need to answer - that’s a rhetorical question. Besides, we already know what you intend to do - it’s in the Hamas charter, it’s in the PLO covennant, it’s in your Palestinian Arab textbooks, it’s in all the terror attacks against Jewish civilinas for years and years and years.

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By Inherit The Wind, June 11, 2007 at 2:09 pm #
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So the anti-Semites, oops, “Anti-Zionists” are coming out of the closet again.  I keep waiting for them to say, “You know, Hitler might have been right about the Jews, oops, ‘Zionists’(chortle)”

They self-righteously have come up with “new” ways to justify their anti-Semitism, oops, “anti-Zionism” that are all exactly the same old lies.  Just substitute “International Jewry” for “International Zionism” and you see it the same damn thing all over again. “Jewish World Domination” is now “Zionist Imperialism”.

Nothing but code words, pioneered by the American Nazi Party.

It’s just lipstick on the same old pig, by the same old pigs.  The Jews, oops, “Zionists” are inherently evil.

When will they drag out the “blood libel” and “The Protocols of The Elders of Zion” and pretend they are real? After all, they already pretend that little Israel controls the most powerful nation in the history of the world, The United States of America.

Like Zeus in the Illiad, if all the nations of the world made war against us, if we chose, they couldn’t defeat us.  And like Zeus, if we wanted to, we could defeat all of them--all it takes is the will.

Yet somehow, little Israel and the evil Jews, oops, “evil Zionists” magically control this awesome power.  They don’t have money, they don’t have the military to match it, they don’t have ANYTHING to control us with.  Must be The Devil’s Black Magic, because there’s no other way it could happen.

But the new Nazis insist on it.  Who needs facts? Who needs proof?  Two thousand years of hating Jews, oops, “Zionists” (chortle) is all they proof they need.  They’ve been forced to go underground since 1945 but now they are back.

But they don’t hate Jews--just Zionists. 

Wanna buy a bridge in Brooklyn?

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By Lefty, June 11, 2007 at 1:14 pm #
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“I cannot conceive of Israel withdrawing if Arab states do not recognize Israel, within secure borders.” — Nelson Mandela, President African National Congress, President of South Africa, Primary advocate against South African Apartheid who served 25 years in Apartheid South African prisons.

And what do we hear from Robert “Abu the Kiffiyeh” in response - the same thing we heard from Abu in response to my question why Arab Muslims brainwash their children in the business of hatred, bigotry, terrorism and suicide bombing - that would be NOTHING from Abu the Kiffiyeh.

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By Billy the Dik, June 11, 2007 at 10:55 am #
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Robert, you’re right, and it has occurred to me that Finkelstein’s denial of tenure will be, in the end, a perfect example of what these shameless goose-steppers see as “democracy” in their projected ‘final solution.’ As has always been inevitable, they expose themselves as being contemptuous of human rights, and spoiled by ancient, irrelevant, ready-made sourpuss myths.  It is a terrible shame that so many suffered and continue to suffer for the NaZioN’s lack of dignity, but the attempted ruination of the first-rate scholar, N. Finkelstein’s carrer, is precisely what was predicted they would greedily focus on while all the world looked on, no longer hood-winked by their diversions from their crimes and whiney LIES.  Perhaps once their pedestal of feces is flushed they will finally grow up and recognize themselves as gloriously human and nothing more, except in their daddies’ nightmares from which they have been slapped awake.

“Reality, love it or hate it, it’s still the only place ya’ can get a decent toasted bagel."--Woody Allen.

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By Peter RV, June 11, 2007 at 7:09 am #
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Ref.76874 by lilmamzer

Throwing gauntlet?
Read my poat with attention, this time, and you’ll discover the link (which is only a small part of the scandal)

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By Robert, June 11, 2007 at 6:14 am #
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Comment #76926 by Billy T D on 6/10 at 7:36 pm

Billy,

Your comment has a message to our hysterical hecklers. They are still using those methods/tactics that you & I listed in our previous comments, a couple of days ago.

WE CLEARLY SEE THEIR DECEPTIVE WAYS/TACTICS.

- Character attack/lie, lie, lie…

- Attempt to change the topic when the truth/facts expose their true colors & their zionist propaganda.

- Sidetrack the issues.

- Attempt to plant doubt to the readers.

- Label comments/commenters as...Arabs, Islamists, Jew haters...etc...and hoping to discourage readers from reading our factual comments/information. In other words, attempt via deceptive methods/ways to blindfold & muffle ‘trudig’s’ readers from paying attention to our input/comments.

Notice that this zionist gang’s “PATTERN” has been consistent with what I have just described.

These fanatic zealots have an agenda to all readers. And that is to shield them from the TRUTH about Israel’s NAZI, Apartheid policies against the Palestinians. ALL BECAUSE THE PALESTINIANS ARE NOT JEWISH! They don’t meet Israel’s “RACIST” standards.

Notice that they have NO substance. Its ALL the same ole malarkey. Their main goals are just post zionist propaganda garbage, hoping to counter our information.

Ill-lie-mam & “stenchy/lefty=pesach” sound very similar. Its almost the same broken beat after beat...stenchy/lefty is lost in all this information. He can’t cope with his competition...who is perched & watching every one of his moves. Ephraim=lefty just keeps typing & posting whatever his helper(s) is/are giving him. That is his ONLY ROLE. He has NO choice in the matter

These guys have NO shame nor any self respect. They all got exposed & knocked down several times for their zionist propaganda.

They are probably celebrating that you have exited from this forum due to their ...SOS. They probably said that is one less nemesis that we have to deal with.

NORMAN FINKELSTEIN WILL CONTINUE WITH THE SAME ENERGY TO EXPOSE ZIONIST’S DECEPTIONS & SPEAKING OUT FOR THE OPPRESSED.

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By Charles Barton, June 11, 2007 at 6:11 am #
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Why did the Palestinians leave in 1947-48?
In 1948 all but one member of the Palestinian Arab High Committee left Jerusalem and fled to other Arab countries, Were they forced to do so by the Jews?  No!  The Jews of Jerusalem were besieged.  The Arab population of Jerusalem was protected by the Arab Legion.  No Palestinian has ever offered a plausible answer for why their leaders left the country in the middle of a war that their leaders wanted.  The truth is that almost the entire Palestinian upper class left the country before the out break of fighting, and the Palestinian middle class had sent their wives and children away as well.  As soon as the fighting broke out, the Palestinian middle class men sent their families away. 

During the fighting, bands of armed men under no ones effective control swarmed through the Palestinian country side pillaging and looting.  These bands, made up mainly of gunmen from other Arab states, expected to be paid from the plunder they won from Jews, but since the Jews were not easily plundered, they plundered Palestinian Arabs instead.  It is HARDLY ANY WONDER THEN THAT MOST PALESTINIAN ARABS FLED THEIR HOMES WITHOUT EVER SEEING AN ARMED JEW. 

The Palestinian story of forced exile is a myth designed to cover up Palestinian shame over their flight from their undefended homes.

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By nahida, June 11, 2007 at 2:32 am #
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to lilmamzer #76301
part-1

you asked “Can you agree that Jews have a right to live as a free and independent nation in their homeland of Israel? “

Why should I –the Palestinian- be asked to give up my home to you; just because you are Jewish?

Why should I -the Palestinian- give up my homeland to you, so you can have self-determination; just because you are Jewish?

Why should I –the Palestinian- become a refugee in order for you to “colonies” my villages and towns; just because you are Jewish?

Why should I have to give up my home for a Russian, just because he is Jewish?

Why should I have to give up my home for a Polish, just because he is Jewish?

Why should I have to give up my home for an Ethiopian, just because he is Jewish?

Why should I have to give up my home for an American, just because he is Jewish?

Jewish people who are coming to occupy my Palestine, have their own countries, why claim mine and then drive me away from where my ancestors lived for millennia?

You want a homeland, go and get one on parts of Germany from those who persecuted you.
Or go and get a country in the USA where the number of Jewish people is the highest.

Why should I give up my home, farm, villages, towns, identity, and country in order for you to have self determination and build “your” society on the destruction of mine, just because you are Jewish?

Jewish people are not a nation, they are many ethnicities, they are not one race, nor do they originate from one geographical region or country.
Every ethnic group of them BELONGS to a different geographical region on this planet.

All they have in common is their religion…Yet they want the world to believe that they are one “nation”.

Descending from many different regions; they have no links with the land of Palestine except those of them who originated from Arabic/ Middle- Eastern descendents (i.e Palestinian Jews)

Do you want me to recognize your right to ethnically cleanse my people, so you and your people could colonize my country?

Do you want me to recognize your right to kick me out of my home and replace me with your ilk, just because they are Jewish and I am not?

NO sir.... not in your wildest derams

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By nahida, June 11, 2007 at 2:24 am #
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to lilmamzer #76301
part-2
Did the Zionists terrorists ever recognized “Palestine” or the Palestinians’ right to exist on their own land?

NO, of course not… Palestinians are not Jewish

Did they ever recognize my right to return home where I belong?

NO, of course not… I am not Jewish

Now, I question the morality and ethical grounds on which “Israel” was founded. When the Zionists adopted Palestine as a homeland for all the Jewish people they ignored the fact that Palestine had already its own native Palestinian inhabitants, with a very small Jewish minority of 2.5%.

The early Jewish refugees did not come with olive branches in their hands; rather they came with tanks and machine guns, they engaged in extensive terror attacks on the native Palestinians, they were building their armed forces ever since until it became the forth most powerful state in the world today.

To make the problem more comprehensible I will draw on this analogy: Britain today has about 2.5% Muslim minority some are natives and some are immigrants (which was exactly the case in Palestine in the 1900’s).
If Muslims started calling for establishing a homeland in the UK for all persecuted Muslims in the world on the expense of its native British will that be morally acceptable?

What if those refugees came fully armed and started murdering their hosts in order to drive them out to Europe, claiming that they are Europeans and Europe is big enough for all British people! What if those refugees claimed that God gave them this land and establishing an Islamic state in Britain is a divine right? Unfortunately this is the very grounds on which the state of “Israel” was established on the land of Palestine.

The continuous existence of such a state is MORALLY QUESTIONABLE; as by definition “”Israel” is a Jewish state; in order to maintain its exclusive “Jewishness” it denies millions of exiled Palestinians the right of return to their homes and their families ignoring their basic human rights. When Hitler called for a purely Arian state the world got up in arms against such an exclusive racists regime.

The continuous existence of such a state is LEGALLY INVALID; as Israel’s recognition as a state (by the United Nations and the International community) was conditional to Israel abiding by UN resolutions including the right of return of Palestinians; which were never implemented by Israel, so even the legal grounds of the existence of Israel is not present.

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By nahida, June 11, 2007 at 2:20 am #
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to lilmamzer #76301
part-3
Why should the Palestinians recognize “Israel’s” right to exist as a JEWISH state, which will have the prior demand that they must give up completely on their right of return; because if that right was to be implemented, It will spontaneously erode “Israel” as a purely Jewish state, and that would contradict the precondition of Israel’s right to exist as a Jewish state.

How can a state be recognized when the very foundation on which it was established are immoral? How such a state should continue to exist when by its very definition it is insular, exclusive, and racist?

What I hope to see is an all inclusive state of Palestine on the whole land of historic Palestine where all races, religions living side by side on equal grounds.

A state where no group of its population has more rights or advantages over the others just because of their “Jewishness”.

A state with no walls between its peoples; where no one is denied their basic human rights for their religious or non-religious beliefs, no one is denied justice for their race; no one is prevented from returning to their homes on the basis of their lack of Jewishness.
If that should mean an end to a racist exclusive Jewish state so be it.

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By Billy the Dik, June 10, 2007 at 7:36 pm #
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Robert, you’ll have to wait until CorpseStench gets his cue cards from his ZioNazi pimps.  Don’t hold your breath until he shows up.

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By Robert, June 10, 2007 at 7:11 pm #
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Posts by “stenchy/lefty=ephraim pesach” 6/10:

Wow..."stenchy/lefty=ephraim"...is this all you got you give us on this forum? Is this really your best and your best performance? Surely...NOT!

A BABOON with one weeks training & half a box of ripe bannanas...can out perform you & your posts.

This BABOON is perched on your ‘manure filled stall gate’...and screaming… “I am...LMAO” at “stenchy/lefty=ephraim’s” ignorant performance! “I see EVIL, I hear EVIL...and lefty=ephraim speaks EVIL”.

Give us your BEST shot. Surely you can out perform a half-way trained BABOON. CAN’T YOU?

Stenchy/lefty=ephraim...Give us your best. Let us see what you have in academic brilliance & p