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Looking Back on 40 Years of Occupation

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Posted on Jun 3, 2007
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With part of Israel’s security barrier in the background, a Palestinian woman shops for produce near the Kalandia checkpoint between Jerusalem and the West Bank city of Ramallah in April 2005.

By Chris Hedges

Israel captured and occupied the Gaza Strip and the West Bank 40 years ago this week.  The victory was celebrated as a great triumph, at once tripling the size of the land under Israeli control, including East Jerusalem.  It was, however, a Pyrrhic victory.  As the occupation stretched over the decades, it transformed and deformed Israeli society.  It led Israel to abandon the norms and practices of a democratic society until, in the name of national security, it began to routinely accept the brutal violence of occupation and open discrimination and abuse of Palestinians, including the torture of prisoners and collective reprisals for Palestinians attacks.  Palestinian neighborhoods, olive groves and villages were, in the name of national security, bulldozed into the ground.

Israel’s image has shifted from that of a heroic, open society set amid a sea of despotic regimes to that of an international pariah.  Israel’s West Bank separation barrier, built ostensibly to keep out Palestinian bombers, has also been used to swallow huge tracts of the West Bank into Israel.  Palestinian towns are ringed by Israeli checkpoints.  Major roads in the West Bank are reserved for Israeli settlers.  The U.N. estimates that about half the West Bank is now off-limits to Palestinians.  And every week there are new reports of Palestinian produce that is held up until it rots, pregnant women giving birth in cars because they cannot get to hospitals, and even senseless and avoidable deaths, such as one young woman who died recently when she couldn’t get through a checkpoint to her kidney dialysis treatment.

“We are raising commanders who are policemen,” former Israeli General Amiram Levine told the newspaper Maariv. “We ask them to excel at the checkpoint. What does it means to excel at the checkpoint?  It means being enough of a bastard to delay a pregnant woman from getting to the hospital.”

The occupation was benign at the beginning.  Israelis crossed into Palestinian territory to buy cheap vegetables, eat at local restaurants, spend the weekend in the desert oasis of Jericho and get their cars fixed.  The Palestinians were a pool of cheap labor and by the mid-1980s, 40 percent of the Palestinian workforce was employed in Israel.  The Palestinians flowed over the border to the shops and beaches of Tel Aviv.  But the second-class status of Palestinians, growing repression by Israeli authorities in the West Bank and Gaza and festering poverty saw Palestinians, most of them too young to remember the moment of occupation, rise up in December 1987 to launch six years of street protests.  The uprising eventually led to a peace accord between Israel and the Palestine Liberation Organization led by Yasir Arafat.  Arafat, who had spent most of his life in exile, returned in triumph to Gaza. 

The Oslo Accords that followed momentarily heralded a new era, a moment of hope.  I was in Gaza when they were signed.  The Gaza Strip was awash in a giddy optimism.  Palestinian businessmen who had made their fortunes abroad returned to help build the new Palestinian state.  The radical Islamists seemed to shrink away.  Palestinian women threw off their head scarves and beauty salons sprouted on city streets.  There was a brief and shining sense that life could be normal, free from strife and violence, that finally Palestinians had a future.  But it all swiftly turned sour.  The 1995 assassination of Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin, coupled with mounting draconian restrictions on Palestinians to prevent them from entering Israel and keep them in submission, led to another uprising in 2000.  This one, which I also covered for The New York Times, was far more violent.  This latest uprising has led to the deaths of more than 4,300 Palestinians and 1,100 Israelis.  It ushered in an Israeli policy that saw Jewish settlers relocated from Gaza.  Gaza was then sealed off like a vast prison.  Israel also began to build a security barrier—at a cost of about $ 1 million per mile—in the West Bank.  When it is done, the barrier is expected to incorporate 40 percent of Palestinian land into the Israeli state. 

Israeli air strikes have, over the past year, decimated the infrastructure in Gaza, destroying bridges, power stations and civilian administration buildings.  The breakdown in law and order, coupled with the growing desperation in Gaza, has triggered an internecine conflict between Hamas and Fatah.  There are some 200 Palestinians who have died in clashes and street fighting between the two factions during the past year—more than one-third of those killed by Israel during the same period. 

The Israeli abuses have been well documented, not only by international human rights organizations, but Israeli human rights groups such as B’Tselem.  On June 4, 2007, Amnesty International released a new 45-page report called “Enduring Occupation: Palestinians Under Siege in the West Bank,” which again illustrates the devastating impact of four decades of Israeli military occupation. The report documents the relentless expansion of unlawful settlements on occupied land.  It details the ways Israel has seized or denied crucial resources, such as water, to Palestinians under occupation.  It documents a plethora of measures that confine Palestinians to fragmented enclaves and hinder their access to work, health and education facilities. These measures include the 700-kilometer barrier or wall, more than 500 checkpoints and blockades, and a complicated system of permits to heavily restrict movement.

“Palestinians living in the West Bank are blocked at every turn. This is not simply an inconvenience—it can be a matter of life or death.  It is unacceptable that women in labor, sick children, or victims of accidents on their way to hospital should be forced to take long detours and face delays which can cost them their lives,” said Malcolm Smart, director of Amnesty International’s Middle East and North Africa Program. 

“International action is urgently needed to address the widespread human rights abuses being committed under the occupation, and which are fueling resentment and despair among a predominantly young and increasingly radicalized Palestinian population,” said Smart.  “For 40 years, the international community has failed to adequately address the Israeli-Palestinian problem; it cannot, must not, wait another 40 years to do so.”

Of Gaza’s 1.4 million residents, a staggering 1.1 million now depend on outside food assistance.  The World Food Program has identified Gaza as one of the world’s hunger global hot spots.  The WFP is a principal food aid provider to Palestinians, providing assistance to 640,000 Palestinians, more than a third of them in Gaza.

The desperation—with young men unable to find work, travel outside the Gaza Strip or West Bank and forced to sleep 10 to a room in concrete hovels without running water—has empowered the Islamic radicals.  The desperation has led the Palestinian population, once one of the most secular in the Middle East, to turn to radical fundamentalism.  The more pressure and violence Israel employs, the more these radicals are empowered.

The Israeli lobby in the United States is captive to the far right of Israeli politics.  It exerts influence not on behalf of the Jewish state but an ideological strain within Israel that believes it can crush Palestinian aspirations through force.  The self-defeating policies of the Bush administration are mirrored in the self-defeating policies championed by the hard-right administration of Prime Minister Ehud Olmert in Jerusalem.  Israel flouts international law and dismisses Security Council resolutions to respect the integrity of Palestinian territory.  It has instead trapped Palestinians in squalid, barricaded ghettos where they barely survive. 

It is not in Israel’s interest—or our own—to continue to fuel increased Palestinian strife and rising militancy.  Economic sanctions and an arms ban against Israel are our last hope.  These were the tools that toppled the apartheid regime in South Africa.  And it was, after all, the sanctions imposed by the first President Bush—he suspended $10 billion of loan guarantees for resettling Russian immigrants in Israel—that prodded right-wing Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir to attend peace talks in Madrid.

A trade embargo—even if imposed only by European states—would be a start.  It is outside pressure that can alone halt the inexorable slide into a conflict that could become regional.  And a new regional conflict with Israel could spell the end of the Zionist experiment in the Middle East.  It may be quixotic, perhaps even impossible, but it is the last measure left to save Israel from itself.

Chris Hedges is a veteran journalist and former Mideast bureau chief for The New York Times. His most recent book is “American Fascists: The Christian Right and the War On America.”

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By Robert, June 13, 2007 at 10:34 pm #
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Comment #77628 by “lefty” on 6/13 at 9:39 am

“Lefty=ephraim pesach”...keeps throwing at us what Nelson Mandela said about Israel...Well...here is a response that might be of interest to ALL on board here & everywhere:

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A LETTER FROM NELSON MANDELA TO THOMAS FRIEDMAN

MARCH 30, 2001

TO: THOMAS FRIEDMAN (columnist New York Times)

FROM: NELSON MANDELA (former President South Africa)

“Thomas, if you follow the polls in Israel for the last 30 or 40 years, you clearly find vulgar racism that includes a third of the population who openly declare themselves to be racist. This racism is of nature of “I hate Arabs” and “I wish Arabs would be dead”. If you also follow the judicial system in Israel you will see there is discrimination against Palestinians, and if you further consider the 1967 occupied territories you will find there are two judicial systems in operation that represent two different approaches to human life: one for Palestinian life and the other for Jewish life. Additionally there are two approaches to property and to land. Palestinian property is not recognized as private property because it can be confiscated.

As to the Israeli occupation of the West Bank and Gaza, there is an additional factor. The so-called “Palestinian autonomous areas” are bantustans. These are restricted entities within the power structure of the Israeli apartheid system.

The Palestinian state cannot be the by-product of the Jewish state, just in order to keep the Jewish purity of Israel. Israel’s racial discrimination is daily life of most Palestinians. Since Israel is a Jewish state, Israeli Jews are able to accrue special rights which non-Jews cannot do. Palestinian Arabs have no place in a “Jewish” state.

Apartheid is a crime against humanity. Israel has deprived millions of Palestinians of their liberty and property. It has perpetuated a system of gross racial discrimination and inequality. It has systematically incarcerated and tortured thousands of Palestinians, contrary to the rules of international law. It has, in particular, waged a war against a civilian population, in particular children.

The responses made by South Africa to human rights abuses emanating from the removal policies and apartheid policies respectively, shed light on what Israeli society must necessarily go through before one can speak of a just and lasting peace in the Middle East and an end to its apartheid policies.

Thomas, I’m not abandoning Mideast diplomacy. But I’m not going to indulge you the way your supporters do. If you want peace for democracy, I will support you. If you want formal apartheid, we will not support you. If you want to support racial discrimination and ethnic cleansing, we will oppose you.
When you figure out what you’re about, give me a call.”

Now for the the rest of the STORY...here is the link:

http://www.mediamonitors.net/arjan28.html

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By Fadel Abdallah, June 13, 2007 at 9:51 pm #
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#77846 by Tony Wicher on 6/13 at 9:13 pm
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I am not condemning Zionists but Zionism, the ideology, the project of a Jewish state in Palestine. I think it is and always was essentially pernicious. I am not attacking any person; you will notice that I do not engage in personal invective.
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Greetings Tony, I love you and appreciate your being a warrior for peace and justic for the Palestinians. However, I beg to disagree with you on this point. My point is that ideologies do not exist in a vaccum; they are created by men with souls and flesh; they are implemented by men with souls and flesh; and they are sustained by men with souls and flesh. Ideologies based on theory and thought do not kill others, dispossess them, steal their land and cause any harm by themelseves, but followers of these idelogies do. So by necessity, if you condemn Zionism, you must condemn Zionists.This is like saying that guns don’t kill by themselves, it’s people with guns and intent who do killing. You cannot take the gun or the gun manufacturer to court, but you can take the owner of the gun who used it to kill.

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By Billy the Dik, June 13, 2007 at 9:38 pm #
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I thought the resident zionism champions were intentionally ignoring the obvious fact that T. Wicher was not condemning zionists, but rather calling for honest appraisal of zionISM.  Maybe I was wrong.  Maybe, in the heat of debate, it’s too easy to miss some important specifics (Too bad we can’t underline or italicize). 

BTW, I do engage in personal invective.  Call me the goyish Don Rickles.  But I have to.  Not only am I dyslexic (I’m really the Kid) but I’m also a sufferer of, um, not Munschousen but also Tourettes syndrome, assholes!  Besides, that’s my sense of humor and, the way I see it, if I make rude comments say, 50 times, at least 3 or 4 times I’m gonna give myself a rib-cracking guffaw.  And shucks, I need all the giggles I can get.

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By Ernest Canning, June 13, 2007 at 9:30 pm #
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ITW--Your effort to dismiss this documentary as propaganda reminds me of the effort by Rumsfeld et al to dismiss as propaganda the live al Jazeera TV broadcasts during the seige of Falluja--as if the photographic images, instead of the Rumsfeldian Newspeak were the lie.

Facts, ITW!  You’ve provided nary a one!

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By Ernest Canning, June 13, 2007 at 9:26 pm #
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Tony Wicher, I wholeheartedly agree that Zionism is a pernicious, racist ideology that has led its adherents to commit crimes against humanity.  My statement was limited to a very narrow issue--the 1941 effort by a tiny faction of the Zionist movement to strike an accord with Adolf Hitler.  Setting aside questions of ideology, that effort was a despicable act that all--including the Zionists posting on the site, should condemn.  My only point is that we should avoid anything that resembles “guilt by association” that might be misconstrued as an effort to lay this despicable act on the doorstep of all Zionists.

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By Tony Wicher, June 13, 2007 at 9:13 pm #
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Re #77780 by Ernest Canning on 6/13 at 5:44 pm
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“However, I think it no more appropriate to condemn all Zionists for Stern’s despicable attempt at a Zionist/Nazi alliance then it would be to condemn all Catholics because the current Pope was once a member of the Hitler Youth.”

I am not condemning Zionists but Zionism, the ideology, the project of a Jewish state in Palestine. I think it is and always was essentially pernicious. I am not attacking any person; you will notice that I do not engage in personal invective.

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By Inherit The Wind, June 13, 2007 at 7:55 pm #
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“Take, for example, my effort to reach out to ITW by suggesting that he actually watch the marvelously factual one hour, 9 minute documentary which Robert linked to in comment #76638 and to then return so that we could entertain an honest, intellectual discussion.”

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Your idea of an intellectual discussion is for me to watch an hour and 18 minute piece of pure propaganda from one of Robert’s favorite biased shills, that starts off lying in the very first note it displays, and THEN discuss this as if it’s hard fact???

That’s not reaching out, Earnest, that’s “Framing the discussion” just the way the Fox Noise Propaganda Net does.  That’s how Sean Hannity “discusses” things.  It’s playing with loaded dice and a marked deck and I’m not stupid enough to fall for such an elementary trick. I guess you must take me for a real chump.

“You can’t cheat an honest man, but never give a sucker an even break, and don’t wisen up a chump.” --W.C. Fields.

At least TW is never insulting, just wrong.

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By Ernest Canning, June 13, 2007 at 5:44 pm #
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Tony Wicher:  The quote you provided of the effort by Avraham Stern of the “National Military Organization” to enter a pact with Hitler so as to further his twisted, Zionist goals is one of the more disturbing that I have ever read, especially when it was by then, 1941, obvious that the Nazi goals were genocidal.

However, I think it no more appropriate to condemn all Zionists for Stern’s despicable attempt at a Zionist/Nazi alliance then it would be to condemn all Catholics because the current Pope was once a member of the Hitler Youth.

The real criticism of present-day Zionists lies in the fact that they have become so blinded by their ideology that they resemble the mindless Party members in George Orwell’s “1984” who would daily participate in a ritual of hate.  These people have no interest in any facts that do not fit their preconceived notions of what this conflict is all about.

Take, for example, my effort to reach out to ITW by suggesting that he actually watch the marvelously factual one hour, 9 minute documentary which Robert linked to in comment #76638 and to then return so that we could entertain an honest, intellectual discussion.  I was not at all surprised that my olive branch triggered a spiteful response from our resident Zionist sociopath, Ephraim “Lefty” Pesach, who simply called me “scum.” But I actually thought there was a prospect that ITW and perhaps Charles Barton would rise to the challenge.

Boy was I wrong!  Their subsequent posts reveal that they have no interest in acquiring the knowledge that the Robert-linked video offers.  They have no interest in honest intellectual discussion--a point underscored by their repetition of Zionist propaganda about the supposed strength of Palestinian armaments. 

I don’t want to sound as if I am belittling the Palestinian armed resistance, but the fact is that their puny collection of arms has about as much chance of succeeding against the IDF as a minnow would have if it sought to attack a great white shark.

While I would never down play civilian casualties on either side, our resident Zionist propagandists chose to ignore the vast disparity where far more Palestinian civilians have been killed by the IDF as compared to Israeli civilians killed by the Palestinian armed resistance, and most deaths, on either side, have occurred “within” the occupied territories.  But, of course, since the Orwellian U.S. press does not cover the death of Palestinian children, yet plays to the hilt the death of even a single Israeli child, the picture is skewed.

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By Tony Wicher, June 13, 2007 at 5:32 pm #
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Since we are worrying about who is getting blamed, here is my idea of the order of blame. The original sin belongs to the Roman Catholic Church (later continued by Protestant churches) which for millenia taught that “the Jews killed Jesus”. This is the origen of anti-Semitism as I understand it. This led to widespread persecution and scapegoating of Jews. Anti-Semitism, then, is about 2000 years old. Modern Zionism as the project for a Jewish state arose in the 19th century as a reaction to anti-Semitism. The basic idea was that Jews are persecuted everywhere, so they must have a state of their own to be safe. The idea to found such a state in Palestine was born out of anti-Semitism. The right response to anti-Semitism is to oppose it by strengthening democracy. The movement to establish a Jewish state in Palestine, on the other hand, is the wrong response because it does not oppose anti-Semitism; in fact, it benefits from it. I do believe wise rabbis have understood this about Zionism from the beginning. Perhaps under difficult circumstances the Jewish people will listen to them again before it is too late.

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By Tony Wicher, June 13, 2007 at 4:26 pm #
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“#77349 by Inherit The Wind on 6/12 at 10:38 am
(Unregistered commenter)”

“And you want Israel to open its doors and lay down its defenses and trust THESE maniacs with their childrens’ lives? You go first and we’ll see if YOU survive!

TW, you missed my point: The Palestinians would MURDER any Gandhi or Mandella who appeared, and do it summarily, then get back to their internecine gang war.”
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You must think I’m really naive not to know this. I know very well that peacemakers everywhere are in danger of martyrdom, because they are not on anyone’s “side” and fanatics from every side hate them and consider them traitors. But you once again make the mistake of confusing the leadership with the people, both on the Israeli side and the Palestinian side, and you tar all Palestinians with the same brush.

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By Tony Wicher, June 13, 2007 at 4:08 pm #
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Re #77628 by Lefty on 6/13 at 5:39 pm
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Lets try this again:

“I cannot conceive of Israel withdrawing if Arab states do not recognize Israel, within secure borders.” — Nelson Mandela
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Lefty,

If a two-state solution is assumed, this statement of Manela is perfectly reasonable. Under the one democratic state solution that I propose, however, Israel does not have to withdraw from anywhere, Israel’s existence within secure borders from the river to the sea would be recognized by the world community. But only if it becomes a real democracy and includes the Palestinians. In which case, of course, it will no longer be “Israel” as we know it. It will be something much better. But first the Jewish people must repudiate Zionism.

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By Tony Wicher, June 13, 2007 at 3:49 pm #
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Re #77564 by Inherit The Wind on 6/13 at 11:52 am

Here is another clip from the Liebermann article on jewsagainstzionism which shows the synergy between Nazism and Zionism in concrete form. 

“In early January 1941 a small but important Zionist organization submitted a formal proposal to German diplomats in Beirut for a military-political alliance with wartime Germany. The offer was made by the radical underground “Fighters for the Freedom of Israel”, better known as the Lehi or Stern Gang. Its leader, Avraham Stern, had recently broken with the radical nationalist “National Military Organization” (Irgun Zvai Leumi - Etzel) over the group’s attitude toward Britain, which had effectively banned further Jewish settlement of Palestine. Stern regarded Britain as the main enemy of Zionism.

This remarkable proposal “for the solution of the Jewish question in Europe and the active participation on the NMO [Lehi] in the war on the side of Germany” is worth quoting at some length:

“The NMO which is very familiar with the goodwill of the German Reich government and its officials towards Zionist activities within Germany and the Zionist emigration program takes the view that: 1.Common interests can exist between a European New Order based on the German concept and the true national aspirations of the Jewish people as embodied by the NMO. 2.Cooperation is possible between the New Germany and a renewed, folkish-national Jewry. 3.The establishment of the Jewish state on a national and totalitarian basis, and bound by treaty, with the German Reich, would be in the interest of maintaining and strengthening the future German position of power in the Near East.

“On the basis of these considerations, and upon the condition that the German Reich government recognize the national aspirations of the Israel Freedom Movement mentioned above, the NMO in Palestine offers to actively take part in the war on the side of Germany.

“This offer by the NMO could include military, political and informational activity within Palestine and, after certain organizational measures, outside as well. Along with this the “Jewish” men of Europe would be militarily trained and organized in military units under the leadership and command of the NMO. They would take part in combat operations for the purpose of conquering Palestine, should such a front be formed.

The Seventh Million

“The indirect participation of the Israel Freedom Movement in the New Order of Europe, already in the preparatory stage, combined with a positive-radical solution of the European-Jewish problem on the basis of the national aspirations of the Jewish people mentioned above, would greatly strengthen the moral foundation of the New Order in the eyes of all humanity.

“The cooperation of the Israel Freedom Movement would also be consistent with a recent speech by the German Reich Chancellor, in which Hitler stressed that he would utilize any combination and coalition in order to isolate and defeat England”.

(Original documentin German Auswertiges Amt Archiv, Bestand 47-59, E224152 and E234155-58. Complete original text published in: David Yisraeli, The Palestinian Problem in German Politics 1889-1945 (Israel: 1947) pp. 315-317).

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By Tony Wicher, June 13, 2007 at 3:38 pm #
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#77564 by Inherit The Wind on 6/13 at 11:52 am

“I stand by my original statement.  Neither Jews in general nor Zionists in particular are responsible for the Holocaust. It is morally reprehensible to blame the victims and inferentially excuse the Nazis, which of course, is what you are both doing.”
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IHW

I am not excusing or justifying Nazis, and I don’t believe Teitelbaum is either. I am saying that both Nazis and Zionists are racists, and that both are to blame. Zionist racism is the compliment of anti-Semitism, of Nazi racism. Zionism and Nazism together have a synergy which produces effects greater than either by itself. Zionism exacerbates anti-Semitism all over the world, and this does force Jews who lived peacefully in their own countries for generations to migrate to Israel, which is what Zionists want.

Here is another clip from the Jews against Zionism site. These statements ring true to me.

THE ROLE OF ZIONISM IN THE HOLOCAUST
Article by Rabbi Gedalya Liebermann - Australia

From its’ inception, many rabbis warned of the potential dangers of Zionism and openly declared that all Jews loyal to G-d should stay away from it like one would from fire. They made their opinions clear to their congregants and to the general public. Their message was that Zionism is a chauvinistic racist phenomenon which has absolutely naught to do with Judaism. They publicly expressed that Zionism would definitely be detrimental to the well being of Jews and Gentiles and that its effects on the Jewish religion would be nothing other than destructive. Further, it would taint the reputation of Jewry as a whole and would cause utter confusion in the Jewish and non-Jewish communities. Judaism is a religion. Judaism is not a race or a nationality. That was and still remains the consensus amongst the rabbis…

All of the leading Jewish religious authorities of that era predicted great hardship to befall humanity generally and the Jewish People particularly, as a result of Zionism. To be a Jew means that either one is born to a Jewish mother or converts to the religion with the condition that he or she make no reservations with regard to Jewish Law. Unfortunately there are many Jews who have no inkling whatsoever as to the duties of a Jew. Many of them are not to blame, for in many cases they lacked a Jewish education and upbringing. But there are those who deliberately distort the teachings of our tradition to suit their personal needs. It is self understood that not just anyone has the right or the ability to make a decision regarding the philosophy or law of a religion. Especially matters in which that person has no qualification. It follows then that those individuals who “decided” that Judaism is a nationality are to be ignored and even criticized. It is no secret that the founders of Zionism had never studied Jewish Law nor did they express interest in our holy tradition. They openly defied Rabbinical authority and self-appointed themselves as leaders of the Jewish “nation”. In Jewish history, actions like those have always spelled disaster. To be a Jew and show open defiance of authority or to introduce “amendment” or “innovation” without first consulting with those officially appointed as Jewish spiritual leaders is the ideal equation to equal catastrophe. One can not just decide to “modernize” ancient traditions or regulations. The spiritual leaders of contemporary Judaism better known as Orthodox rabbis have received ordination to judge and interpret matters pertaining to the Jewish faith. These rabbis have received their rights and responsibilities and form a link in the unbroken chain of the Jewish tradition dating all the way back to Moses who received the Torah from Almighty G-d Himself. It was these very rabbis who, at the time of the formation of the Zionist movement, foresaw the pernicious outcome that was without a doubt lined up…

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By Billy the Dik, June 13, 2007 at 1:29 pm #
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ITW writes:

“I stand by my original statement.  Neither Jews in general nor Zionists in particular are responsible for the Holocaust. It is morally reprehensible to blame the victims and inferentially excuse the Nazis, which of course, is what you are both doing.”
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What ITW is doing is what all Neo-Zionists do, be sneeky, dishonest, and very vague so that it is easy to backtrack and claim others’ ‘misrepresentations’ unfair.  ITW’s insinuations are old hat and exposed, truely more desperate every day, not to mention intellectually sissified..

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By nahida, June 13, 2007 at 1:18 pm #
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To all those who know nothing about my faith, would they kindly refrain from lecturing me about it!

It seems to me that the zionists in their wishful fantasies want to believe that we -the Muslim women- suffer from degradation.

The only degradation I see is that when the criminals, oppressors, occupiers (men and women) fail to see the degradation they are doing to themselves, to their souls and to their humanity, by their sadistic barbaric and cruel actions.

When their sick minds see nothing wrong with nuking and annihilating others just because they are not “chosen”

When they shamelessly advocate for another holocaust, thinking that it’s quite acceptable and even desirable as long as it’s done against the none-chosen ones.

THIS IS THE REAL DEGRADATION

Only for those interested, this is what the Qur’an says about women:

“O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that you may know each other. Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of God is (one who is) the most righteous of you. And God has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things)” (Qur’an 49:13)

“O mankind! Reverence your Guardian-Lord, Who created you from a single soul, created, of like nature, its mate, and from them twain scattered (like seeds) countless men and women-reverence God, through Whom you demand your mutual (rights), and (reverence) the wombs (that bore you): for God ever watches over you” (Qur’an 4:1)

“It is He Who created you from a single soul and made its mate of like nature, in order that he might dwell with her in love"… (Qur’an 7:189)

“Never will I suffer to be lost the work of any of you, be he/she male or female: you are members one of another...” If any do deeds of righteousness, be they male or female, and have faith, they will enter paradise and not the least injustice will be done to them” (Qur’an 4:124)

“Whoever works righteousness, man or woman, and has Faith, verily, to him will We give a new Life, a life that is good and pure and We will bestow on such their reward according to the best of their actions”. (16-97)

“The Believers, men and women, are protectors one of another: they enjoin what is just, and forbid what is evil: they observe regular prayers, practise regular charity, and obey God and His Messenger. On them will God pour His mercy: for God is Exalted in power, Wise”. (9:71)

“If any do deeds of righteousness, be they male or female - and have faith, they will enter Heaven, and not the least injustice will be done to them”. (3-124)

“Then shall anyone who has done an atom’s weight of good, see it! And anyone who has done an atom’s weight of evil, shall see it”. (99:7-8)

“And among His Signs is this: He created for you soul-mates from among yourselves that ye may dwell in tranquillity with them, and He plants love and mercy between your (hearts): verily in that are Signs for those who reflect. (30-21)

“Glory be to Him Who created all the pairs: of what the earth produces, as well as their own (human) kind and (other) things of which they have no knowledge of”. (36; 36)

“For Muslim men and women, for believing men and women, for devout men and women, for truthful men and women, for men and women who are patient and constant, for men and women who humble themselves, for men and women who give in Charity, for men and women who fast (and deny themselves), for men and women who guard their chastity, and for men and women who engage much in God’s praise; for them has God prepared forgiveness and great reward”. (33:35)

and Some of Muhammad’s sayings:

“Women are but shaqa’iq (twin halves or sisters) of men”

“I commend you to be good to women”

“Heaven lies at the feet of mothers”

“The best of you are the kindest to their wives”

“Seeking knowledge is mandatory for every Muslim male and female”

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By Inherit The Wind, June 13, 2007 at 10:59 am #
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“Billy the Dik on 6/13 at 10:03 am
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ITW, you’re really that thick?  Zionism is the victim of the holocaust?  No, Butcher Boy, Jews were the victims.  Ideologies do not bleed, they suck blood.  Your anthropomorphism of a poison idea is a dead giveaway that YOU are a victim of deep, dark indoctrination. “

Billy, I suggest you take a course in remedial reading and comprehension.  I never said anything of the sort.  Try actually READING what I write.  You’ll find insults just make you look stupid when you attack someone for something they never said.

Unless, of course, you are deliberately making stuff up to see if, when you fling enough of it, any sticks.  Which I would not put past you.

Still trying to figure out the Horst Wessel Song (your future anthem) or did you actually “google the Internets” as fearless Lead Ignoramous would say?

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By Billy the Dik, June 13, 2007 at 10:03 am #
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ITW, you’re really that thick?  Zionism is the victim of the holocaust?  No, Butcher Boy, Jews were the victims.  Ideologies do not bleed, they suck blood.  Your anthropomorphism of a poison idea is a dead giveaway that YOU are a victim of deep, dark indoctrination.

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By Lefty, June 13, 2007 at 9:44 am #
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Let’s try this again, too.  So far, it’s gone ignored by the Arab Propaganda Brigade infecting Truthig:

“It seems to me a certainty that the fatalistic teachings of Mohammed and the utter degradation of the Arab women are the outstanding causes for the arrested development of the Arab. He is exactly as he was around the year 700, while we have been developing.” —Gen. George S. Patton

What say you, Robert Abu the Kiffiyeh, Billy the Dikhead, Ernest Rubbish, Tony Phony, Fadel Castro, Nahida the Untouchable?

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By Lefty, June 13, 2007 at 9:39 am #
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Lets try this again:

“I cannot conceive of Israel withdrawing if Arab states do not recognize Israel, within secure borders.” — Nelson Mandela, President African National Congress, President of South Africa, Primary advocate against South African Apartheid who served 25 years in Apartheid South African prisons.

And what do we hear from Robert “Abu the Kiffiyeh” in response - the same thing we heard from Abu in response to my question why Arab Muslims brainwash their children in the business of hatred, bigotry, terrorism and suicide bombing - that would be NOTHING from Abu the Kiffiyeh.

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By nahida, June 13, 2007 at 4:29 am #
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About anti-Semitism

Enough is enough

People talk with liberty about Muslim extremists, and Christian fundamentalists; but they stop short of uttering the forbidden word “Jewish extremists”

read the reast here:

http://www.ichblog.eu/content/view/1190/58/

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By nahida, June 13, 2007 at 4:22 am #
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Israel, ‘Zionist ghetto’ not state‎

Sat, 09 Jun 2007 08:50:36

Israel’s former parliament speaker Avraham Burg has branded Israel as a ‘Zionist ghetto’ in ‎his newly-published book , scoffing at the regime’s self-definition as a Jewish state.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=12519§ionid=351020202

In an interview published in Ha’aretz daily on Friday, Avraham Burg said that this self-definition is the key to the regime’s ruin.

“It [Israel] can’t work anymore. It’s explosive. It’s dynamite.” said Burg, parliamentary speaker from 1999 to 2003.

Burg has newly written a book, Defeating Hitler in which Ha’aretz says he describes Israel as a “Zionist ghetto” and compares Israeli behavior in the occupied Palestinian territories against Palestinians to that of Nazi Germany.

Also a former chairman of the semi-governmental Jewish Agency responsible for immigration to Israel, Burg took issue with the law of return, under which any Jew is able to come to live in the occupied lands.

“The law of return is the mirror image of Hitler. I don’t want Hitler to define my identity,” he said.

A former activist in the anti-settlement Peace Now movement, Burg is today a businessman who considers Israeli society paranoid and comparable to pre-Nazi Germany.

Burg slammed Israel for construction of a separation wall in the West Bank, saying, “The separation fence is a fence against paranoia ... There is something so xenophobic about it. So insane,” he said.

He also criticized targeted assassinations carried out by the Israeli army against Palestinian resistance fighters, comparing them to murder.

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By Charles Barton, June 13, 2007 at 4:18 am #
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“So the Palestinians possess a few rockets with which to strike back.” - Ernest

Ernest, This is typical, anti-Zionist language.  First the Palestinians have launched not a few rockets, but thousands, a fact which your language so deceitfully hides.  Secondly the Palestinians are not striking back at Israel, the entire rocket campaign is being paid for by Iran.  The rocket launching squad gets paid $20,000 a launch.  The Hamas government, the elected government of the Palestinians, knows who is launching the rockets, and knows where the rockets are built.  They have the power to put a stop to the rockets if they chose.  But they have Iranian paymasters too, and the Iranians tell them to allow the rocket launches. 

Hamas is openly anti-Semetic.  It openly states that its goal is to destroy israel.  Its spokesmen call for the killing of all Jews, not just Isrelis.  These are the people you support.  These are the people you sympasthize with.  You aback a bunch of anti-semetic, murderous thugs and pretend to be on the side of Justice and truth.  Look at what Hamas is doing in Hamas.  %6 people killed in Gaza sonce the weekend, more dying every day.  If they were being killed by Israelis, you would be screaming, but being the hypocritical little twirp that you are, you are utterly silent about Hamas’s violence toward Palestinians. 

Ernest, When Israelis defend themselves against Palestinian violence, you compare them to Nazis.  When Palesti9nians try to kill Israeli civilians, you justify them.  When the Palestinian government begins to slaughter the people of Gaza, you fall strangely silent.  And you no doubt think yoourself to be a good person.

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By nahida, June 13, 2007 at 4:16 am #
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Jewish Protests Against The Occupation

Jews around the world defy the Zionist governement’s demand for blind support, step out of their homes today to say NO! We won’t keep quiet! We reject Israel’s brutal violations of Human Rights and International Law. Reports from NYC, London, Sydney, Montreal, Toronto, Paris, Boston, Edinburgh, Berne
oznik-news
11 Dec. 2000

We held banners (in the rain!) in berkeley and oakland (california) during morning and evening rush hour at major intersections (on monday), with slogans like JEWS FOR JUSTICE SAY STOP AID TO ISRAEL, JEWS FOR JUSTICE CALL FOR PROTECTION FOR PALESTINIANS, JEWS FOR JUSTICE SAY END THE OCCUPATION!
in solidarity--
penny rosenwasser, Middle East Children’s Alliance

read article:

http://www.oznik.com/news/001211.html

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By Inherit The Wind, June 13, 2007 at 3:52 am #
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Re #77349 by Inherit The Wind on 6/12 at 10:38 am
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“Teitelbaum is an criminally idiotic and morally bankrupt.  Jews weren’t responsible for the Holocaust and anyone who says they were, like Teitelbaum, is scum.”

But that isn’t what Teitelbaum says. He precisely does NOT say that “Jews were responsible for the Holocaust”. What he does say is that ZIONISTS were responsible for the Holocaust. According to him, Jews were their innocent victims. I know you are having a hard time distinguishing Jews from Zionists in your own mind, because Zionists have done everything possible to identify them, but the fact is that they are completely different things. To me Zionists are apostate Jews who have substituted this secular nationalism for their former religion, and they are misleading Jewish people into an untenable situation which will ultimately result in their destruction, unless they repudiate Zionism. Rabbi Teitelbaum understands this, and so do many other rabbis. “

I stand by my original statement.  Neither Jews in general nor Zionists in particular are responsible for the Holocaust. It is morally reprehensible to blame the victims and inferentially excuse the Nazis, which of course, is what you are both doing.

It is also false history. The rise of the peculiar and unusually vehement form of anti-Semitism that Hitler guided was not his invention, but grew out of a bastard mis-interpretation of Darwin’s evolution, and Spencer’s variation on it, Social Darwinism.  In the late 19th century, in Vienna (Hitler was Austrian, remember), this new strand “Biological Racism” emerged.  Unlike traditional anti-Semitism in Europe and the Arab world, where by conversion to Christianity or Islam a Jew would be accepted, in “Biological Racism” such was not possible.  A Jew was a Jew even if he rose to become a Cardinal in the Roman Catholic Church.

Because of the extraordinary assimilation of Jews in Germany, which had been one of the more liberal and tolerant places in Europe since at least Frederick the Great, the conversion criterion was irrelevant.  There were many philosphical thinkers in Greater Germania in the 19th Century (Marx and Engels were among them) but while many were great, many more were 3rd rate thinkers, and it was these who latched on to Social Darwinism and twisted it into a global conflict of races (as Marx and Engels saws a global conflict of classes).

Combine this with Germany’s long-standing inferiority complex, after all, Germany didn’t exist as a nation until 1871, and the constant plaint that she was denied her “place in the sun” Jews became the easy scapegoat.

Why would Zionism feed this? The Zionists wanted the Jews to leave Germany (and Europe) and move to Israel.  The “biological racists” wanted the Jews out of Germany too--Hitler later toyed with Madagascar as the place to ship all Jews.

So, TW, you can see why I STILL stand by my statement.  The history of Germany and anti-semitism that led to Auschwitz, Dachau and Treblinka was no knee-jerk reaction, especially not to Zionism.  To blame the Holocaust on Zionism is to excuse National Socialism.  That’s like a murderer telling telling the victim it’s the victim’s fault.

It is morally bankrupt.  Teitelbaum is morally bankrupt.  He’s not ignorant, he knows this history.  I’m hoping you are merely ignorant and now will educate yourself on this history.  But if you continue to hold this position in light of facts I will view you as equally bankrupt.  I hope not.

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By Tony Wicher, June 13, 2007 at 12:35 am #
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Re #77349 by Inherit The Wind on 6/12 at 10:38 am
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“Teitelbaum is an criminally idiotic and morally bankrupt.  Jews weren’t responsible for the Holocaust and anyone who says they were, like Teitelbaum, is scum.”

But that isn’t what Teitelbaum says. He precisely does NOT say that “Jews were responsible for the Holocaust”. What he does say is that ZIONISTS were responsible for the Holocaust. According to him, Jews were their innocent victims. I know you are having a hard time distinguishing Jews from Zionists in your own mind, because Zionists have done everything possible to identify them, but the fact is that they are completely different things. To me Zionists are apostate Jews who have substituted this secular nationalism for their former religion, and they are misleading Jewish people into an untenable situation which will ultimately result in their destruction, unless they repudiate Zionism. Rabbi Teitelbaum understands this, and so do many other rabbis.

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By Robert, June 12, 2007 at 11:28 pm #
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The Rot of Occupation

40 BAD YEARS

By Uri Avnery

6/11/2007

“IT CANNOT be denied: 40 years of occupation have changed the state of Israel beyond recognition.

That is obvious in all spheres of life. All of them have been contaminated.

18-year old youngsters, most of who have been brought up by decent parents as moral human beings, are drafted into the army, enter the brutal subculture of their units and receive an indoctrination that justifies every act of brutality against Arabs. Only a few rare individuals are able to withstand the pressure. After three years, the majority leave the army as tough men with blunted sensibilities. The brutality in our streets, the routine killings around the discotheques, the proliferation of rape and violence within the family - all these have undoubtedly been influenced by the day-to-day reality of the occupation. After all, it’s the same people who are doing it.

A policeman who is sent to Hebron and the Hawara checkpoint, who treats the inhabitants there as inferior creatures, who acts sadistically or condones the sadism of his comrades - will return into a different person when he returns the next day to Tel Aviv, Haifa or Shefa-Amr? Will he wake up the next morning, miraculously, as a devoted servant of his fellow-citizens in a democratic society?

For years now, the security services, the police and the army have been lying about events in the occupied territories. Lying has become routine. Few journalists in the world now accept these statements unquestioningly. And when lying becomes norm in one sector, the mendacity doesn’t stop there. The liars of the army, the police and the other services have gotten used to lying about other matters, too.

In the “territories”, corruption has a ball. Military government officers take off their uniforms and get involve in shady businesses. Capitalist barons also profit from connections with them. Of course, this is not the only source of the corruption that has become a bane of the state, but it is surely a contributing factor.

THE OCCUPATION causes rot, which penetrates all the pores of the national organism.”

Here is the link for the rest of Uri Avnery’s article:

http://www.counterpunch.org/avnery06112007.html

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By Billy the Dik, June 12, 2007 at 10:56 pm #
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Ya’ know, it’s worth considering some examples from the past.  The surviving Jews would not have escaped Nazi persecution if not for others, non-Jews, getting involved.  Women would not have ‘won’ their right to vote if not for the empathetic involvement of others, non-female.  The Palestinians (and Jews) will not escape the macabre merry-go-round if they remain at odds.  Fortunately, not all Jews are Zionists and not all Palestinians are suicide bombers.  The fact that the international Jewish community (especially in Israel/Palestine) includes many, many ‘Refuseniks’ is a thing to be encouraged, joined, and celebrated as a true expression of human possibility and human worth.

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By Robert, June 12, 2007 at 10:02 pm #
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Billy...I think that “looney/lefty=ephraim” is low on his sedative/depression pills. He just woke up from a deep delusional sleeping period.

I must say that he is trying to “post” something new on this forum, but so far I have NOT SEEN a “ball of fire”. Its the ...SOS!

One can see that loves & craves attention. He is trying to win some form of recognition for wanting to NUKE the Arab population from the face of this earth.

One really wonders about his insane and hysterical behavior. “Loonie/lefty” is dead serious with his wishes to cause a mass killing.

What form of “terrorism” teaching, brainwashing & massive infection did this disturbed “looney zionist” receive & where?

“Looney/lefty”...that BABOON is perched on your abscessed pus filled skull. You are looking pretty bad in that lonely manure filled stall.

THEY NEED YOU IN ISRAEL. YOU MOTIVES & YOUR ZIONIST GARBAGE RESEMBLE THE ISRAELI ASSASSIN...BARUCH GOLDSTEIN. HE MASSACRED MORE THAN 2 DOZEN PALESTINIANS WHILE THEY WERE PRAYING IN THEIR MOSQUE.

“LOONIE/LEFTY” IS DOING OUR HARD WORK FOR US. HE IS SHOWING US WHAT A REAL ZIONIST BELIEVES IN...PURE RACISM & HATRED!

I DON’T THINK THAT YOU KNOW ANY BETTER...LOONEY/LEFTY. A BABOON WITH 2 WEEKS OF TRAINING HAS MORE COMMON SENSE & HUMANITY THAN YOU OR WILL EVER HAVE!

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By Billy the Dik, June 12, 2007 at 9:55 pm #
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Sorry, but when you get to the below site, to the left of the screen there is a search box.  Type in “buda’s wagon” and, Shazam!

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By Billy the Dik, June 12, 2007 at 9:51 pm #
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See:

http://www.polizeros.com/2007/05/01/budaswagon

for some information on the Israeli’s use of car bombs against Palestinians in the 1940s.

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By Billy the Dik, June 12, 2007 at 9:39 pm #
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Ernest Canning, very insightful comments.  In fact, there’s a brand new book out detailing the history of the car bomb in your terms.  It is called ‘Buda’s Wagon’ by social-anthropologist Mike Davis.  It is a top-notch read.

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By Ernest Canning, June 12, 2007 at 9:12 pm #
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Let me ask you, Charles Barton, if the Jews in the Warsaw ghetto had the rockets and weaponry you describe, would you have critized them for using those weapons against the Nazis? 

The words “terrorist” and “terrorism” are Orwellian as is the so-called “war on terror.” The tactic which governments describe as “terrorism” is, in fact, the tactic that weaker foes in a conflict must resort to.  It is also known as guerilla warfare. 

During World War II, the Nazis used a word to describe the resistance movements throughout occupied Europe.  They called them “terrorists.” Franco’s fascists used the same word to describe the remnants of the Republican forces which had taken to the hills in southern Spain after the end of the civil war.  No doubt the British forces in the American Revolutionary War would have regarded the irregular forces, Minute Men, who picked them off from hidden positions as “terrorists.” When I served in Vietnam, most often it would have been suicide for the VC or NVA to attack head on, so they resorted to planting mines; placing pungee stakes in hidden pits; firing rockets at our APCs from hidden positions; lobbing a few mortars at our base camps in the dead of night, then fleeing so they could live to fight another day.  While I lost some close friends to these tactics, I don’t condemn them from using it.  What other choice did they have?

So the Palestinians possess a few rockets with which to strike back.  Israel possesses the world’s fourth most powerful military.  In just the past six months Israel has not only unleashed terror from above on the hapless Palestinians of Gaza and the West Bank.  Israel assaulted neiboring Lebanon with massive numbers of cluster bombs.  Israel’s use of collective punishment against the civilian populations of Palestine and Lebanon amount to war crimes under the principles of both the UN and Nuremberg Charter.

But then the continued occupation is itself a violation of UN Resolution 242 passed in the aftermath of the 6-day war.  It never ceases to amaze me how people can demand that countries like Iran and Iraq comply with UN Resolutions on pain of a threatened US invasion, yet Israel has wilfully violated the Charter and Resolutions over the past 40 years and all we can hear from apologists, like yourself, is how bad these Palestinian “terrorists” are.

Does that mean I approve of either suicide bombers or the launching of rockets?  No! Of course not.  I long ago posted that violence is self-defeating and that those who resort to it become what they despise.  Indeed, there is a sad and twisted irony in this mess.  The Zionists have become so consumed with their hatred of the objectified “other” that the children and granchildren of the oppressed in the Warsaw ghetto have become the oppressor--and that, my friend, is a real human tragedy, not only for Palestinians but for Israelis and, indeed, the rest of the world which has been dragged into this endless quagmire--all to allow the persistence of an occupation which by law should have ended in 1967.

P.S., Just a suggestion, but I think you would do well to proof read before posting.

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By Billy the Dik, June 12, 2007 at 9:00 pm #
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Lefty, I’m gonna start calling you POST-TOASTIE because you’re dumb as a post and your posts are as dumb as you! I guess I’ll shorten it to Postie.  Do you like it Postie?

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By Lefty, June 12, 2007 at 8:50 pm #
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Re: #77501 by Billy the Dik on 6/12 at 8:25 pm
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Leftfootinmouth, regarding your #77490: 

Well, my guess is that your breath smells suspiciously like an asshole.  Since your brain is a sewer of fly-infested pus-n-poop, it kinda’ figures.  I’d also guess that it’s pretty risky to be seen having a discussion with a worm and who wants to go to psych.? One of you is too much.  Thanks for asking, but the possibilities are endless.  What’s your guess, pus-putz?
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Billy the floppy dik,

My guess is that you breath, and your asshole, smell like an Arab dick.

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By Lefty, June 12, 2007 at 8:39 pm #
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Arab-Nazi connection continued:

Deriving financial support from a fund of confiscated Jewish money known as the Sonderfund, the Mufti was installed as head of the Nazi-created Islamic Institute (Islamische Zentralinstitut) in Dresden, where he would begin the process of educating future Islamic leaders in Nazi ideology.

To spur them on to victory, the Mufti delivered a speech in Berlin on March 1, 1944, to an audience of Hanzar troops in which he said: “Kill the Jews wherever you find them. This pleases god, history, and religion. This saves your honor. God is with you.”

On that day, future Islamic terrorists received their marching orders.

Chuck Morse is a radio talk show host at WROL in Boston (http://www.chuckmorse.com). E-mail Chuck at chuckm at chuckmorse dot com.

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By Lefty, June 12, 2007 at 8:38 pm #
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Here’s an interesting article on the Arabs-Nazi connection, and the Arab participation in the Holocaust.

Enjoy!
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The Nazi Origins of Modern Arab Terrorism

Chuck Morse

Tuesday, March 4, 2003

The agenda and political faith of Saddam Hussein, Yasir Arafat, Osama bin Laden, Hamas and the rest of the international Islamic terrorists can be traced back to World War II and two key figures, Adolf Hitler and Amin al-Husseini, known as the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem.

Much has been written about the Mufti, all well-documented, including chapters by such prominent authors as Connor Cruise O’Brien, former Irish ambassador to the U.N. Mountains of documented evidence is out there and available to anyone who cares to look.

The Nuremberg and Eichmann trials revealed that Nazi official Adolf Eichmann met with the British-appointed Mufti in Palestine in 1937. Following this meeting, the Mufti would become essentially an agent of Nazi Germany charged with the funding and organizing of pro-Nazi organizations in Egypt, Syria, Palestine and Iraq.

In 1941, along with Rashid Ali and Khairallah Tulfah, Saddam Hussein’s uncle, guardian and later father-in-law, the Mufti instigated a pro-Nazi coup in Iraq with Nazi-supplied weapons and aircraft. After the coup failed, the Mufti fled to Berlin, where he would hold his first of several meetings with Adolf Hitler.

At this meeting the Mufti was reported to have dissuaded Hitler from considering the deportation of the Jews to Palestine. Instead, the Mufti advocated and even possibly suggested what came to be known as the final solution against the Jews. In 1942, the Mufti would intervene and stop the Nazis from exchanging 10,000 Jewish children for Nazi POWs.

The Mufti’s activities in Nazi Germany and occupied Europe would set the stage for today’s Islamic terrorism. On April 25, 1941, the Nazis sent the Mufti to Nazi-occupied Bosnia, where he assumed the title “Protector of Islam.”

On Feb. 10, 1943, Hitler ordered the creation of the Nazi SS Division Hanzar and approximately 100,000 Bosnian Muslims volunteered. The Mufti, serving as chief administrator, referred to these Nazi-Muslim brigades as “the cream of Islam.”

The Hanzars, deriving their name from the type of dagger carried by Ottoman officers, played an active role in the extermination of Christians and Jews in the Balkans. The Mufti attempted to implement the Nazi “Pejani Plan,” which called for the extermination of the Christian Serbs and which the Nazis eventually abandoned.

All in all, the Bosnian Muslim Hanzars assisted in the extermination of approximately 200,000 Christian Serbs, 40,000 Gypsies and 22,000 Jews.

In 1943, Hitler appointed the Mufti as head of a Nazi-Muslim government in exile. From his headquarters in Berlin, a confiscated Jewish mansion, the Mufti laid out plans for a concentration camp for Jews near Nablus in Palestine modeled after Auschwitz. Photos exist of the Mufti touring Auschwitz with Heinrich Himmler.

Nazi attitudes regarding Islam were perhaps best expressed by Himmler, who is reported to have stated: “I have nothing against Islam because it educates the men in this division for me and promises them heaven if they fight and are killed in action. A very practical and attractive religion for soldiers.”

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By Inherit The Wind, June 12, 2007 at 8:27 pm #
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“re comment #77349 by Inherit the Wind.  I would agree that “Jews weren’t responsible for the Holocaust.” I would not suggest, as you do, that anyone who suggests otherwise is “scum.” I suspect that such individuals would run the gammut from neo-Nazis to the utterly uninformed. I will not label as “scum” those who are merely ignorant.”

Y’know, You make a point. I can’t argue with that--but two points: 1) You gotta INCREDIBLY ignorant to say something like that an not be morally bankrupt. 2) Rabbi Teitelbaum is certainly not ignorant and IS morally bankrupt.

You keep missing the fundamental difference between Nazi Germany and Israel.  Germany’s survival was never in danger from Jews or anyone else until Hitler put them in danger.  Israel’s destruction has been the constant goal of many Arabs, including leaders of nations for 60 straight years. Israel’s siege mentality is clearly justified.

Nazi tactics are not justified by anyone.  But what happens when every moral rule is broken by the other side? When ANY humanitarian action like letting an ambulance through, is corrupted by the enemy stuffing it with explosives? When a pizza parlor full of children is deliberately targeted for bombing how can the Palestinians claim the moral high ground?  How can you?

I do not want to see the Palestinians slaughtered.  I would love to see them living peacefully side by side with Israelis rebuilding the personal and economic bonds that, when strong enough, make war impossible.  But it has to be as two states now.

But even today the Palestinians are slaughtering each other--Al Fatah and Hamas are ramping up the violence as each tries to violently crush the other.  Why would Israelis give up security and trust them?

They came so, so close to peace only to throw it away to continue the infatada.  Why?

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By Billy the Dik, June 12, 2007 at 8:25 pm #
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Leftfootinmouth, regarding your #77490: 

Well, my guess is that your breath smells suspiciously like an asshole.  Since your brain is a sewer of fly-infested pus-n-poop, it kinda’ figures.  I’d also guess that it’s pretty risky to be seen having a discussion with a worm and who wants to go to psych.? One of you is too much.  Thanks for asking, but the possibilities are endless.  What’s your guess, pus-putz?