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Posted on May 31, 2007
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By Scott Ritter

It is a question I am faced with at every public event I participate in:  What are my views on the impeachment of President Bush and others in his administration?  Generally, the question is preceded by an emotional statement listing the “crimes” which Mr. Bush is accused of committing, and the questioner has already found him guilty. Whether it is the war in Iraq, conspiracy theories about 9/11, Hurricane Katrina, or any given variation of the theme of constitutional abuse of power, the one thing all of the questioners have in common (besides the desirable outcome) is their singular conviction that the president is guilty.

I have considerable sympathy for this stance.  I myself have stated on more than one occasion that I believe President Bush has lied to Congress and the American people about the reasons for going to war with Iraq (i.e., the whole WMD/al-Qaida intelligence fabrication/misrepresentation fiasco).  I also believe that the president’s sanctioning of warrantless wiretapping, along with a litany of other abuses of power stemming from the Patriot Act approved by Congress after Sept. 11, 2001, likewise constitutes grounds for impeachment.  Several Democrats in Congress are actually discussing the possibility of impeachment of President Bush, and the irrepressible Congressman Dennis Kucinich has actually introduced articles of impeachment for Vice President Dick Cheney.

Even some Republicans are getting on board the impeachment bandwagon, although with caveats.  “Any president who says ‘I don’t care’ or ‘I will not respond to what the people of this country are saying about Iraq or anything else’ or ‘I don’t care what the Congress does, I am going to proceed’—if a president really believes that, then there are ... ways to deal with that,” Sen.  Chuck Hagel, a Republican from Nebraska, said of President Bush in obvious reference to impeachment.

Hagel is correct:  Impeachment is the constitutional remedy for a unilateral president whose governance is an insult to traditional American democratic norms and values.  However, impeachment alone is simply a measure which addresses the symptoms of a larger malaise that has stricken America.  The arrogance associated with the concept of the unitary executive is prevalent throughout mainstream American political life.  The passivity of the legislative branch is one byproduct of the dominance of the unitary executive.  It is also an indicator that the will of the people, as expressed through their election of the people’s representatives to the Congress of the United States, no longer has the weight and bearing long associated with the American democratic experience.

Any effort to impeach Bush and any of his administration found to be engaged in activities classifiable as “high crimes and misdemeanors” would fail to rein in the unitary executive core of any successor.  One only has to listen to the rhetoric of the Democratic candidates for president to understand that this trend is as deeply rooted among them as it is with President Bush.  Americans today look for leaders without recognizing the absolute necessity of electing team players.  The Founding Fathers deliberately designed the executive branch to be strong and independent, but also made sure, through an elaborate system of checks and balances, that it operated merely as one of three separate but equal branches of government.

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The “in your face” efforts of the Bush administration to minimize the role of Congress and to achieve political control of the judiciary are simply more public manifestations of trends that occurred in a more quiet fashion in past administrations, Republican and Democratic alike.  When America elects a leader who states clearly that he or she will work with their equal partners in governance, the Congress, for the good of the country, and who will acknowledge the supremacy of law set forth in the form of binding legislation passed by the will of Congress, void of any limiting or contradicting “presidential signing statement,” then we will finally have a leader who is truly worthy of the title “President of the United States of America.”

But this will not happen of its own volition.  The impeachment of President Bush would not in and of itself terminate executive unilateralism.  It would only limit its implementation on the most visible periphery, driving its destructive designs back into the shadows of government, away from the public eye, and as such, public accountability.  Impeach President Bush, yes, if in fact he can be charged with the commission of acts which meet the constitutional standard for impeachment (and I believe he could, if Congress only had the will to do its job).  But to truly heal America, we must repudiate everything President Bush stands for, in terms of not only public and foreign policy, but also in terms of his style of governance, since the former is derived from the latter.

Repudiation is a strong term, defined as “rejecting as having no authority or binding force,” to “cast off or disown,” or to “reject with disapproval or condemnation.”  In my opinion, the complete repudiation of the presidency of George W. Bush is the only recourse we have collectively as a people to not only seek redress for the wrongs committed by the Bush administration, but also to purge society of this cancer that threatens to consume and destroy us as a whole, and which would continue to manifest itself in our system of governance even after any impeachment proceedings.

Like any cancerous growth, the Bush administration has attached its malignancy to the American nation in a cruel fashion, its poisonous tentacles stretching deep into our national fabric in a manner that makes difficult the task of culling out the healthy from the diseased.  But we cannot truly repudiate something without its complete and utter elimination from our midst.  As such, there must be a litmus test to help us differentiate the good from the bad, that which must be restored from that which must be eliminated.  For me, there is only one true test:  that of constitutionality.  There will be those who argue, and have argued, that the time is well past for an oppressed people (and one would be a fool not to comprehend that under the Bush administration, the American people have in fact been oppressed) to rely on the niceties of legal argument, especially when the system of law we seek to use in our defense has been so thoroughly corrupted by those who seek to impose tyranny. 

I was recently in Ireland, where I delivered a presentation on the current situation in the Middle East.  In criticizing the Bush administration’s policies, I launched into a staunch defense of the Constitution of the United States and decried what I believed to be the inadequacies of Congress and the American people in defending their constitutional inheritance.  Afterward, I was confronted by an Irishman who challenged me on the validity of our Constitution.  As he pointed out, none other than President Thomas Jefferson himself, the author of the Declaration of Independence and a proponent of constitutional law, is famously quoted as saying, “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.”  If, as I maintained, the Bush administration was deviating so far off course from the ideals and values set forth in the Constitution, was it not time for a new American Revolution to “refresh” liberty with “the blood of patriots and tyrants?”

There can be no doubt that Jefferson was a promoter of resistance to the forces of tyranny.  It was he who, after all, who penned the famous words proclaiming the need for American independence from the tyranny of British rule: “That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness ... when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.”

If faced with a situation today in which the American people felt that our current form of government sought to imprison them “under absolute Despotism,” would we not be obligated to apply “natural manure”  in an effort to refresh the “tree of liberty?”

Short of a complete and total abdication on the part of the Congress, the collapse of the judiciary system, and a shocking decision by those men and women who wear the uniform of the armed forces of the United States to lend force of arms to the will of a dictatorial president, I cannot ever envision a time in which conditions in these United States could deteriorate to the point that a violent revolution “of the people and by the people” would be required to restore constitutional legitimacy and authority.  Having said that, I remind the reader that with so few Americans professing any working understanding of the Constitution, it is difficult to speak of people defending that which they remain ignorant of.


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By Skruff, June 8, 2007 at 6:30 am Link to this comment
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76254 by cyrena on 6/07 at 9:13 pm says:

“Now for Skruff…”

“I was never aware that the earlier societies had been opposed to mandatory education. That worries me, since many people are STILL opposed to it, which is in part why our foundational institutions have crumbled…”

I appears you did not get the point of my post. People were better educated (at least in Massachusetts) BEFORE the imposition of mandatory education.

I would suggest that in a “free society” people might have the “freedom” to behave in a way not acceptable to others. (as long as that behavior is not DIRECTLY hurtful.

I worked as a clerk at Zayer’s and at that time, the cash draw could not be opened for “change” without a sale, UNLESS a supervisory key overrode the register.

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By national-security-4-us, June 8, 2007 at 1:21 am Link to this comment

PELOSI IS FULL OF SHIT ABOUT CLEANING UP THE CULTURE OF CORRUPTION - SENT HER MYSPACE PAGE SHE READ 1/4/07

Date: Nov 18 2006 4:33 PM—- PART 2

CONGRATULATIONS MADAME SPEAKER,11/18/06-1:33PM

THE CONFIRMATION I RECEIVED ON THIS HITS EVERY LEVEL EVEN FROM A COUPLE D.H.S. EMPLOYEES + A AGENT FROM THE D.S.S.-DIPLOMATIC SEC.SERV. IN WASH.D.C.-I HAVE HIS NAME/WHEN I CALLED HIM TWICE + MANY OTHERS NAMES WHO ARE WELL AWARE OF ALL OF THIS-INCLUDING ALL THOSE
WHO’VE RESIGNED THEIR POSTS FROM 2004 & BEYOND.

IT’S UTTERLY AMAZING THAT A TERROR SUSPECT CAN OBTAIN
A CIVIL RIGHTS ATTORNEY 2 REPRESENT THEM/I CAN’T SEEM
2 FIND A CIVIL RIGHTS ATTORNEY 2 REPRESENT ME.

HERE’S WHY THE O.P.R. BLEW THE INVESTIGATION-BUSH PURPOSELY DENIED SEC.CLEARANCES 2 JUSTICE DEPT. OFFICIALS-SINCE THE ADMIN. HAD THE “NSA” ILLEGALLY MONITORING MY PHONE CALLS 2 STOP ME FROM ACQUIRING A CIVIL RIGHTS ATTORNEY-THEY HEARD MY CONVERSATIONS W/
O.P.R. WHEN I CALLED THEM B-4 I MAILED THIS LETTER.

I THINK O.P.R. SHOULD’VE STARTED THEIR INVESTIGATION
W/ME-REGARDLESS OF HOW THOROUGH-I MAY HAVE EXPLAINED THE CRIMINAL COMPLAINT + THE INVESTIGATION SHOULD’VE STARTED AT THE BOTTOM/WORKED ITS’ WAY 2 THE TOP NOT GOING STRAIGHT 2 THE WHITE HOUSE FROM THE BEGINNING.

WHEN THE W.H. LEARNED THAT O.P.R. WAS COMING THE W.H.
KNEW EXACTLY WHY/ENDED THE INVESTIGATION B-4 IT EVEN STARTED-MORE CORRUPTION.

I FEEL O.P.R. SHOULD’VE WENT 2 CONGRESS 2 GET THE AUTHORITY THEY NEEDED 2 PROCEED-SINCE IT SEEMS
CONGRESS BY A CONGRESSIONAL ACT-CREATED OFFICES LIKE O.P.R. 2 INVESTIGATE WHERE-EVER A INVESTIGATION MAY LEAD THEM.

HERE’S THE LETTER THAT I SENT TO O.P.R.
===================================================
Dear Office of Professional Responsibility,
SENT CERTIFIED 9/13/05
SIGNATURE CONFIRMATION


NATIONAL SECURITY 4 US *Required


YOU CAN READ THE O.P.R. LETTER AT

http://360.YAHOO.COM/CASPERERASER1


SO OUT OF THE LIKE 300 + MEMBERS OF CONGRESS WHO IN SOME WAY SHAPE OR FORM WERE MADE AWARE OF THIS EITHER
BY PHONE / FAX / MAIL / E-MAIL—- THERE IS NO EXCUSE
4 THEM THEY ARE ALL EQUALLY GUILTY & THEY ALL SPEAK WITH A FORKED-TONGUE…

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By national-security-4-us, June 8, 2007 at 1:16 am Link to this comment

PELOSI’S FULL OF SHIT ABOUT CLEANING UP THE CULTURE OF CORRUPTION-SENT 2 HER MYSPACE PAGE SHE READ 1/4/07

Date: Nov 18 2006 4:33 PM

CONGRATULATIONS MADAME SPEAKER,11/18/06-1:33PM

I MUST SAY MY PRAYERS WERE W/BOTH HOUSES REGAINING CONTROL SO SOME ACCOUNTABILITY/THOROUGH OVERSIGHT
CAN COME BACK INTO OUR POLITICAL GOVERNMENTAL STANDARDS 2 SAVE OUR NATION B-4 IT BECOMES A AFTER-THOUGHT A THING OF THE PAST-SINCE EVERY ASPECT OF OUR GOVT. SEEMS HELLBENT ON DESTRUCTION.

U KNOW AMERICA WILL NEVER GET BETTER W/THIS INJUSTICE
THAT AMOUNTS 2 TREASON.

OUR GOVT. CRIED WOLF ON 5/26/04 /I POUNCED ON THE OPPUNTUNITY ONLY 2 HAVE GREED/JEALOUSY/ENVY + A ARRAY
OF CRIMINAL CONDUCT PERPRATRATED UPON ME EQUIVALENT 2
TREASON 4 DOING A NOBLE DEED/PROTECTING AMERICA/ITS’ CITIZENS.

HERE’S A LIST OF FACTS EVERY-1 WILL HAVE 2 GIVE ACCOUNT ON 1 DAY & SORRY 2 SAY I’LL HAVE THE LAST LAUGH ON EACH & EVERY-1 OF THEM WHO CHOSE FEAR OVER TELLING THE TRUTH.ENJOY.

SEN.KERRY/EDWARDS DIDN’T TELL THE TRUTH WHEN I GAVE THEM BOTH REAL FACTS.

SEN.KERRYS’ STAFF WAS TOLD BY ME/BY FAX 2 USE THIS INFO.“THE TRUTH” AS AMMO WHEN HE WAS GOING 2 DEBATE BUSH IN MIAMI PRES.DEBATE OR LOSE-HE CHOSE 2 FOLLOW BUSHS’LIES/NOT TELL THE PEOPLE OF MIAMI/FLA./THE AMERICAN PEOPLE-THAT ON 5-29-04-2 OF THOSE 7 FROM THE
5/26/04 PRESS CONF.WERE CAPTURED IN FLA.

6 OF THE 7 WERE SPOTTED BY ME IN 12 DAYS-CALLED PROPER PEOPLE ON 6/8/04 W/ALL THE INTEL-THEN ON OR AROUND 7/25/04-THE 3RD OF THE 7 WAS CAPTURED/FLOWN OVERSEAS 2 DENY PAYING THE REWARDS.

2 HAD REWARDS AT 25 MIL EACH + HAD LAPTOPS W/EVEN MORE CAPTURES GLOBALLY IN THE FALL OF 2004.I KNOW THE TRUTH SUCKS.

READ THE REST/KEEP LISTENING 2 ALL THOSE THAT LIE 2 THE PEOPLE.

I KNOW THAT FED.OFFICIALS WILL CONTINUE 2 LIE 2 COVER
THIS UP-2 STEAL REWARDS INSTEAD OF PAYING THEM BY HONORING “PUBLIC LAW-98-533” AKA “THE REWARDS 4 JUSTICE PROGRAM”

PEOPLE ARE ENVIOUS/JEALOUS OF WHAT I DID-STOPPED A UP-COMING ATTACK-NO ONE IN THE INTEL.COMM.KNEW WAS COMING + GET(MWT)CAPTURED DUE 2 MY VIGILANCE OR MAYBE
THERE WAS COLLABERATION W/DELIBERATE INTENT.

WERE THE MILITARY TRIBUNALS CONCOCTED SO THAT THE TRUTH DOESN’T COME OUT IN OPEN COURT-WHY ARE THOSE WHO WERE INDICTED IN SOME U.S.FED.COURTS-NOT HAVING THEIR TRIALS THERE-BECAUSE THINGS ARE TRYING 2 BE HIDDEN FROM THE AMERICAN PEOPLE-IF THERE WERE ANY ASSISTANCE PROVIDED 2 ANY OF THESE TERRORISTS-ONLY THOSE TERRORISTS WOULD KNOW/BE MORE THEN WILLING 2 SHARE THIS 2 THE AMERICAN PEOPLE-DURING THEIR TRIALS WHICH MUST BE HELD IN OPEN FORUMS/NOT IN SECRET MILITARY HEARINGS OR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WILL NEVER REALLY KNOW THE TRUTH.

PUT YOURSELF IN MY SHOES-IMAGINE IF YOUR CHILD/ RELATIVE/SPOUSE DID WHAT I DID-I BET THE MEDIA WOULD HAVE COVERED THIS CORRUPTION-WHY AM I ANY DIFFERENT.

THIS CRIMINAL CORRUPTION STARTS AT THE BOTTOM W/THE SHERIFF DEPT. WHO ANSWERED THE CALL W/4 DEPUTIES RESPONDING 2 MY 911 CALL/ARRIVING ON THE SCENE-2 THE FBI WHO TOLD EVERY-1-2 STAY SILENT/SUPPRESS THESE EVENTS FROM THE AMERICAN PEOPLE BY/THRU MANIPULATING THE MEDIA-ALL THE WAY 2 THE PRES.WHO HAS DISAVOWED THESE ACTIONS FROM EVER HAPPENING AS A MATTER OF NAT.
SEC.

BUSH DISGRACED HIMSELF W/MANY HI-LEVEL CABINET OFFICIALS WHO LEFT OFFICE IN DISDAINMENT OF BUSH NOT HONORING HIS WORDS OF HONORING “PUBLIC LAW-98-533”

BY LAW THE TAPED 911 CALL CAN’T BE DESTROYED-I HAVE
A COPY OF THE CALL WHICH WAS BUTCHERED AS 2 ALL THAT WAS SAID AS THIS CALL LASTED 15-20 MIN. AS I FOLLOWED
THEM UNTIL A S.O. PULLED UP BESIDES ME-ASKING ME SOME
???.

THESE MATTERS/THE ACTION THIS ADMIN. TOOK IS
“TREASONIST” AT BEST/CRIMINAL AT WORSE WHICH STILL ADD UP 2 THE SAME RESULT WHAT WAS DONE 2 ME IS IMPEACHABLE-ALL THOSE WHO WILLFULLY CHOOSE 2 REMAIN SILENT ARE UNETHICAL/SHOULDN’T POSSESS THEIR JOBS ANY
LONGER-BE IT AT THE LOCAL/CO./ST./FED.LEVELS..

NATIONAL SECURITY 4 US *Required

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By national-security-4-us, June 8, 2007 at 12:32 am Link to this comment

cyrena

why wait until then - WE HAVE THE POWER NOW - IT IS CALLED THE POWER OF PRAYER…

JESUS SAID WHEREVER 2 OR MORE ARE GATHERED TOGETHER
WHATEVER YOU ASK IN MY NAME - I WILL DO…

SO THEREFORE WE HAVE THE POWER IN PRAYER TO BLESS THOSE “DESERVING OF BEING BLEST” & WE HAVE THE POWER TO “CURSE THOSE WHO ARE WORTHY OF BEING CURSED”

SO—-  LORD GOD CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE IN THE NAME OF YOUR SON OUR LORD & SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST - I ASK YOU LORD JESUS - AS WELL AS COUNTLESS OTHERS WILL AS WELL - “PLEASE FIND IT IN YOUR WILL TO ANSWER THE PEOPLES’ PRAYERS THAT ARE RIGHTEOUS TO MAKE THAT PACEMAKER FAIL - TAKING DARTH VADER OUT OF EXISTANCE
BY PLACING HIM IN THE GRAVE OR AS IT IS SAID ABSENT
FROM THE BODY BECOMES PRESENT BEFORE THE LORD - SO THAT HIS LIFE IS REVIEWED & SENTENCED ACCORDINGLY FOR
ALL OF HIS WICKED EVILNESS BY CASTING dick INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE…

AMEN & HALLELUJAH…

LORD I AM NOT ASKING YOU 4 - 2 MUCH PLEASE START 2 ELIMINATE “FAMILY TREES”

PLEASE BURN THE BUSHS’ ENTIRE CORRUPT CLAN…

THE POWER OF PRAYER HAS POSITIVE ASPIRATIONS & ALSO HAS NEGATIVITY 4 THOSE WHO ARE WORTHY & CURSE THEE…

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By cyrena, June 7, 2007 at 10:13 pm Link to this comment

Now for Skruff…you’re right. The legal system here is broken. It no longer works for the folks it used to work for, but it has never worked for most. It’s been that way a while now. I was never aware that the earlier societies had been opposed to mandatory education. That worries me, since many people are STILL opposed to it, which is in part why our foundational institutions have crumbled, and you can’t get any of your legal business issues tended. Nobody knows what the hell they’re doing anymore. And, the people that don’t have a problem with mandatory education, and might actually do something useful with it, can’t AFFORD it. According to Mike Gravel, 30% of the US population doesn’t complete high school, and a full fifth of us are functionally illiterate. My own reasearch pretty much confirms that. That is problematic, and might speak to why you have issues stuck in the legal system, and why I just had negotiate the changing of a $5.00 bill at my local K-Mart.(the cashier had to get her Supervisor’s approval and the whole nine yards, and then she could only give me “dollars” rather than “dollars AND coins”...you would have thought I was trying to buy a nuclear weapon, instead of trying to change a $5 dollar bill.) All of this has become pretty routine. It’s not a good thing to have a brain dead society.

For whomever said that Nancy Pelosi is no “fool”, I would be willing to agree. She’s not at all. She’s a politician, wrapped in the same cloak of “realpolitik” that Hillary is wrapped in. She won’t do the right thing, because she doesn’t think it’s politically expedient. But, I beg to differ on that point, specifically about “tying up her people” with the efforts of an impeachment process. For starters, it’s NOT that big of a deal, (because most of the work has already been accomplished by professionals)and because THAT’S what I’m paying her to do!!! It’s her JOB. And if she can’t handle more than one piece of business at a time, or find somebody to delegate it to, then she needs to retire, collect her generous pension, and cruise the world while there’s still gas to fill up the ships. And, I won’t even be mad about being left behind.

Furthermore, I don’t see impeachmet of ALL of them as a “National Trauma”, but more like a “National Rescue”, and we’re not talking about just george, or just dick. They ALL need to go, and it’s not like we don’t have others capable of pulling us out of this dive. To suggest that we shouldn’t waste time on a procedure that would at least stop the bleeding is like telling a patient at the emergency room that he/she is gonna die anyway, so there’s no point in doing anything to try and save them. Would you stand by while a team of crooks robbed your home and all of it’s contents, and just stand there looking at your watch or calander, saying…“Oh well, they’ll be finished by this time next year, and then we’ll be able to go back in the house and survey the damage?” Or maybe you would offer them some snacks and stuff while their doing the robbery? I’m not buying it.

So, Ms. Pelosi’s “no fool” wisdom could in fact backfire on her. She would have been better off using the time involved with handing over that blank check, on impeachment proceedings instead. Because at this point, she’s likely to be impeached herself. We card-carrying Dems are NOT happy with her, and she might find that out the next time her own name shows up on a ballot. Or, we might not wait that long. She’s impeachable as well.

I know everybody is afraid of Dick Cheney, and there’s real reason to be, because we see the damage he’s done. What he did to Joseph and Valerie Wilson is standard operating procedure for him, even if the rest of us only get hit more indirectly, and don’t make the news.

So, lets get the syringe ready for our collective antibiotics. If there aren’t enough votes in Congress now, then we need to get them.

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By cyrena, June 7, 2007 at 9:53 pm Link to this comment

Stephen (#75741) My optimism is definitely forced. Like, I have to go looking for the slightest little possible crack in the walls that might break us out of this nightmare. Grasping at straws I suppose, but that is why I’ve been looking at the International Law as a possibility for a way out of this. Desperate people do desperate things I guess, although I’ve pretty much cast my lot with Hitchens as well, and quite long ago I should add.

Your paranoia is certainly valid, but if we somehow miss having an election next year, (and I agree that anything is possible with these thugs) it’ll all be over but the shoutin’. It’ll be pack up the kids, the old folks, the dog, and whatever we can throw in a back pack, and start walking or swimming.

Still, thanks for the info on the ICC, and how those others got caught. No doubt Kissinger is too smart to get caught doing the same thing, but Cheney isn’t worried about such concerns. He goes wherever the hell he wants to. So, I’ll hold out hopes of his capture and trial for sometime in the future, even if it’s a long shot.

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By national-security-4-us, June 7, 2007 at 8:45 pm Link to this comment

FOR THE IDIOTS THAT CAN NOT OBVIOUSLY READ

LISTEN / READ CAREFULLY

PURSUANT TO EXECUTIVE ORDERS & SOME SECRET ONES WE
THE PEOPLE HAVE NO CLUE ABOUT…

HERE IS THE DEAL JUST PRIOR TO 1/20/2009 FOR THOSE WHO DON’T KNOW—IT IS INAUGURATION DAY…

SOMETHING WILL OR WILL NOT HAPPEN WHEREAS bush WILL
USURP his PRESIDENTIAL POWERS & DECLARE A EMERGENCY BE IT REAL / PERCEIVED OR IMAGINED…

THIS CAN BE DONE PRIOR TO ELECTION DAY THEREBY POST-PONING OR CANCELLING THEM ALL TOGETHER…

6 MONTHS CONGRESS CAN NOT DO SHIT…

IN ANY EVENT bush DECLARATION OF EMERGENCY KEEPS him IN POWER—NO CHANGE OF PRESIDENTIAL OFFICE -  he
becomes THE DICTATOR his daddy COULDN’T BECOME DUE TO AGE…

WAKE-UP ZOMBIES THIS IS THE MASTER PLAN OF THE EVILOIDS…

IMPEACHMENT MUST OCCUR SOONER RATHER THEN LATER OR WE THE PEOPLE ARE ALL GOING TO BE FUCKED…

REALISTICALLY ALL GOVT. WORKERS AT EVERY LEVEL NEED TO BE BOOTED FOR “WORSHIPPING THE DOLLAR” OVER DOING
TRUE SERVICE TOWARDS THE PEOPLE / PUBLIC WHO PAY THEIR INFLATED SALARIES…

SO IN CLOSING BUSH & HIS CRIMINAL CO-HORTS ARE NOT IMPEACHED—- GET READY TO BE RULED BY THIS PUSSY OF A PRICK—UNTIL THE DAY THAT HE MEETS HIS DAY WITH DESTINY…

CORPORATION MUST ALSO BE CHARGED WITH TREASON FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS…

SCUMBAG SEN. THOMAS JUST MET HIS—UNFORTUNATELY FOR US - THE SUPREME BEING IS NOT KNOCKING THEM OFF FAST ENOUGH FOR HIS NATION / HIS WORLD TO BE SAVED OR
FREE FROM DEMONIC INFLUENCES…

GOD-SPEED THE DAY FATHER…

“BLESSED IS HE WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD -EVEN SO COME LORD JESUS”

KILL ALL OF THE WICKED CHILDREN OF SATAN IN ONE FELL SWOOP FATHER - FOR IT WILL BE PLEASING IN YOUR SIGHT.

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By Blueboy1938, June 7, 2007 at 7:35 pm Link to this comment

Ritter’s right: repudiation rules.

The practical reality of a Bush impeachment would be a Cheney presidency.  That is why Rep. Kucinich filed Articles of Impeachment against the Vice President first.  Unfortunately, or really fortunately, that will go nowhere, because Ms. Pelosi is no fool.  She doesn’t want her Congress tied up in a pointless exercise that would only result in a possible eight more years of another future Republican administration

Should that nevertheless be successful, however, a matter of considerable doubt, since there are nothing like enough votes in the Senate, as presently constituted, for a guilty finding, President Bush would simply appoint a new Vice President.  Inevitably, that would be an electable Republican who would have the boost of incumbency.  So, even if the president is eventually impeached, there would be another Republican in the White House, who would sail through the 2008 election, following as it would the “national trauma” of an impeachment - no, make that two impeachments.  Let’s let the impeachment idea die, shall we?

On the other hand, we can all take heart that there are only 592 days, 15 hours, 30 minutes, and counting, as the time of this post, until the Bush administration ends on a date certain in January, 2009.

http://bushclock.lose.com/

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By Stephen Smoliar, June 7, 2007 at 6:30 pm Link to this comment

Dan Uu Noel (#76177), it is not just the comfort of retirement that impedes opposition.  The current “power elite” has amassed a reputation for making ANY voice of opposition extremely uncomfortable, sometimes in the worst possible way.  (Remember Joseph Wilson?)  Even if they cannot exert their “muscles of terror” the way they once did, the THREAT is still there;  and that threat is enough to make even those with the most honorable intentions think twice.  It appears that any act of retribution that might have even the slightest effect is going to require considerable courage as well as will (#75004).  Hell, the guy even seems to be able to get the rest of the G8 to cave before him!

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By Dan Uu Noel, June 7, 2007 at 5:31 pm Link to this comment

This article makes an excellent point. The contention that the evil perpetrated by the federal government will cease if Bush and his aides get fired is wishful thinking. At best, the symptoms of this evil, like the Iraq war, may be alleviated, but they will be ready to return at any time.

In fact, evidence abounds that W was much more benevolent as Texas governor than as U.S. president. What made him become so malevolent all of a sudden?

This raises the very likely possibility that the federal government no longer view its mission as the service to “us the people,” but something else; this “something else” could be the service of special interests who finance campaigns, or the perpetuation of the government itself, or the continuous protection of entrenched corrupted practices…

One of the most stunning aspects of the W administration has been the compliance of career public servants. Whether it has been about refusing to analyze the 9/11 debris, waging war, supplying phony intelligence, encouraging electoral fraud, destroying national parks, emasculating anti-pollution rules, or chipping away at civil rights, thousands of federal public servants could have stood up to W, refusing to carry orders, threatening to resign, whistleblowing, leaking, etc. Why didn’t they do so? There are, roughly, 2 hypotheses, each of which ought to make every one of us cringe: either they are corrupt like the president, or they keep their eyes on the prize of their cushy retirement; in either case, serving the public has become a secondary concern.

This brings the point that firing W and his top accomplices will not yield much. What is needed is a thorough evaluation of all federal employees, accompanied by a purge of those who simply don’t fit the basic concept of public service. A precedent, albeit on a smaller scale, is the vacuum-cleaning of Tammany Hall by La Guardia.

Ritter is very correct: impeaching W is useless. The flaws of his leadership are only the tip of an iceberg that runs much deeper. Melting this iceberg will require in-depth analysis and work. The repudiation of the cancer that has overtaken the federal government is the necessary start. Firing before repudiating amounts to putting the cart in front of the horses.

Love,

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76081 by Billy the Dik on 6/07 at 10:58 am


  “However, “By 1978 it was approaching really genocidal levels…’

Actually, it was November 1977 that Carter uped the Indoniesian allowence for weapons from 500 some-odd-million to 700 some-odd-million. You won’t get any defense of Carter from me… Reagan doubled that, and Bush and Clinton continued to fund Indoniesa till the end of the Suharto regime.  Clinton claimed responsibility for liberalizing policy and allowing elections, BUT had Suharto stayed in poower, we’d still be funding him..

U.S. morality…gotta love it!

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By mother, June 7, 2007 at 11:17 am Link to this comment

Though this article is extremely compelling it seems to offer more of what the problem is.  The forest is lost through the trees, because in the end if we are to get back to foundations we better make sure that is what we get back to.  The true foundation for this country was a people who took an evolutionary step that they were willing to die for. Simply to safeguard their beliefs.  Going back to their step is a step backwards, we must step from where their sacrafice left us, forward to our own. The real “blood” that is sacrificed in any cultural advance is not the human blood on the physical battlefield, it is the blood of the step in repudiation so extolled in this article.  When we repudiate we loose to gain, loss is and always will be felt as a bloodletting.  The challenge that the people have been unwilling to face is not the ability or willingness to point out the corruption of our government.  The challenge is letting go of what is known and secure, even if it is corrupt, this aspect of human nature, is both a safeguard and a trap.  It safeguards any tendancy to rush the process of change when necessary, and it traps us by the binding unwillingness we feel toward change.
Recognition for how times have changed is the first step to repudiation, because a sound case for repudiation is demanded of any revolution.  What will we repudiate?  A couple hundred years ago, the repudiation was of the one powerful king to the power of a few wealthy, white, land owning men.  Today the repudiation may likely be of the congress to the power of the many middle class and lower class americans, the new people. Taking true stock of what changed those many years ago is what is crucial to our education.  The one tyrant king evolved into the few powerful men.  Today it is the few powerful men that are tyrannizing the many people and stalling our country’s necessary evolution.  What are we to repudiate to succeed in carrying the torch forward? More likely than not it is the system set up by the few in power that works presently not to free, but to corrupt those weilding it.  These few, thought they could do so much better than one, it was a valiant thought in the day, but it only succeeded in doing somewhat better than one tyrannical king could do.  The assumption that democracy as founded was the fountain of freedom for the people of this country is quite ignorant indeed. The education of the most educated of the people is only the education the few decided was necessary for the many. The biggest sacrafice will be the limiting belief that democracy, as instituted 231 years ago was for you, or me. From this manure a democracy of by and for you and me, for the many, can spring forth.

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By tom camfield, June 7, 2007 at 8:17 am Link to this comment
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Scott Ridder’s title, “Repudiation, Not Impeachment,” is puzzling in the utmost.  How are we to manage something close to ‘repudiation’ of the Bush administration unless we use the impeachment procedures to maximize the exposure of the administration’s trashing of the constitution?  To rouse the citizenry and members of the Congress and Senate to reject (repudiate) that long list of activities and tendencies that Ridder so ably assembles will require considerably more exposure and discussion than has yet occurred.  Repeat, and repeat, and repeat this mantra:  TO FAIL TO IMPEACH IS TO CONDONE THEIR CRIMES / TO FAIL TO IMPEACH IS TO CONDONE THEIR CRIMES / TO FAIL . . . .

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By Skruff, June 6, 2007 at 3:50 pm Link to this comment
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According to BBC and several other sources, East Timor was The Ford administrations boondoggal.  Kissinger was involved, and by Carter, he was out, so this had to be a Republican administration opperation. Carter took office on a Friday, January 21, 1977

There is more, the cast of characters sounds like a LiL Bush fan club… Check it out:

http://www.easttimorfilm.com/

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By Stephen Smoliar, June 6, 2007 at 3:28 pm Link to this comment

Thank you, Skruff (#75725), for correcting my typing error.  Clinton signed Kyoto.  Bush revoked Clinton’s ratification.  I meant to say that the ICC decision took place between Bush’s “liberating” the United States from Kyoto and 9/11.

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By Stephen Smoliar, June 6, 2007 at 8:41 am Link to this comment

cyrena (#75674), I wish I shared your optimism;  but this is one of those (rare?) occasions where I find myself casting my lot with Christopher Hitchens.  I suspect that Kissinger is the primary reason why our country has distanced itself so outrageously from the ICC;  so the departure of Bush and Cheney from the Executive (assuming they DO depart in 2009, how’s that for paranoia?) is not likely to have much effect.  Unless I am mistaken, the ICC only caught up with Pinochet because he made the mistake of leaving Chile (for medical care, as I recall);  and we are unlikely to see Kissinger make the same blunder.

Meanwhile, as we saw in today’s news, Kissinger is still firing on all cylinders, having written a letter in favor of Scooter getting a Presidential pardon.  In the text of the letter, he calls Libby a “patriot.”  I suppose this is the same brand of patriotism that had been applied to bombing Cambodia to the brink of oblivion!  Doesn’t that advance the path towards repudiation?  (I can’t figure out which emoticon to use for sarcasm!)

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By Skruff, June 6, 2007 at 6:39 am Link to this comment
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75582 by Stephen Smoliar on 6/05 at 3:51 pm

“For the record, I am pretty sure that the United States still does not participate in the International Criminal Court system I remember when Bush refused to ratify participation.  It was between signing on the Kyoto…”

I don’t think we signed Kyoto either.”

“Many opined that his ICC decision had been intended to save Kissinger’s ass.  Perhaps (just perhaps) he may have been prescient enough to recognize that he might also have been saving his own.”

Bush was Ford’s CIA chief when The U.S. rubber stamped approval of Indonesia’s upcomming genocide in East Timor.  The world (except in the US where it was not even news) was horrified at the massacre of women children, and non-combatant males. the world court (formally called the International Court of Justice) indicted Kissenger as a “war criminal.”
At this time Kissenger also had a previous intictment by the IJC for his involvment in the assassination of Salvator Allende in Chili. Theoritically Kissenger could be executed for his crimes.  He can not travel in countries where the IJC is accepted. He can’t even land briefly on the tarmac in France, Germany, or Italy. He has become a recluse and seldom traveles outside the US.

GHWB (on the other hand) is now a former president. He can no longer be called to account for his crimes without a vote from the full Security Council, where the U.S. has a Veto.

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By ardee, June 6, 2007 at 5:57 am Link to this comment

Ernest Canning,

Pretty hysterical actually that our resident Dik hasnt enough reading comprehension skills to note when his argument is being denied. I wonder why he asked me to learn from what you stated when it simply reinforced and made clearer that his insanity about the UN somehow diminishing our decision making is exactly that…insanity.

I have never put anyone on the ignore list, free speech is ,after all, a constitutional guarrantee, but scrolling quickly past his efforts is fine by me.

By the by, I certainnly do learn from your erudite and accurate posts, thanks for them.

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By cyrena, June 5, 2007 at 10:26 pm Link to this comment

#75582 by Stephen Smoliar

This is correct from Stephen. because the US has not signed on to the ICC, and I’m sure that you’re right on about the reasons.

But, although I don’t know exactly HOW it would need to happen, it still seems like the international community could try them, even if it had to be something on the order of a specially created tribunal.

I’m thinking that they were finally able to get Pinochet, and that other guy, Myslo…(I know I’m butchering his name, but I’m too lazy to look it up) but you know who I mean. The guy from the former Yugoslavia, who died last year in prison. They got him.

Then too, we can always sign on to that Convention once we get rid of Dick Bush, and then there won’t be any problems. We’ll just make our particiaption -retroactive- (a little creative stuff to off-set what John Yoo and Gonzo, and some of the others have done) and we’ll get the ball rolling. (Yeah, we’ll have to get a new Amb. to the UN as well). But, we have agency. I’m sure the rest of the world will support us on this one.

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By cann4ing, June 5, 2007 at 8:55 pm Link to this comment

Billy the whatever, you are way out of line.  What I said concurs with and amplifies Ardee’s post.  Thus, I resent your use of my post as a basis for your unwarranted personal attack.

The purpose of the comment section is to permit a dialogue amongst concerned citizens with an eye towards increasing the knowledge base of all.  There may be times when we disagree with one another—often vigorously.  But there is never a need for invective.

You certainly don’t have to agree with anything I or anyone else at Truthdig has to say.  That is the essense of free speech.  I would simply and respectfully suggest that all would be better served through the maintenance of civility in what one would hope would be a worthwhile intellectual exchange.

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By cann4ing, June 5, 2007 at 7:48 pm Link to this comment

Ardee:  It is unfortunate that there are vast swaths of the populace who do not understand that obligations entered by treaties, be they bilateral or, in the case of the UN, the ultimate in multi-lateral relationships are not only embodied in the U.S. Constitution but are an essential component to peaceful and cooperative relationships between nation-states.  The neoconservatives have long spun this nonsense about the multi-lateral approach to international relations embodied in the UN charter as somehow amounting to a “surrender of U.S. sovereignty” because the very concept of a united world body of nations stands as an obstacle to their twisted vision of U.S. imperial hegemony over the entire planet and its resources—a vision embodied in the Project for a New American Century.

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By ardee, June 5, 2007 at 6:02 pm Link to this comment

#75595 by national-security-4-us on 6/05 at 4:42 pm


You do understand that capitalisation is considered shouting, or maybe you do not.

Do you actually read what you post? To say that the US or any other nation surrendered its sovereignty by opting to join the UN is sheer and utter nonsense. Did we surrender anything when we joined NATO, or SEATO or ,oh what the heck, you are far too far gone to listen anyway. The UN does some wonderful things in the area of medical assistance, childrens relief, certain monitoring functions and peacekeeping duties as well. Other than that they are rather useless.

Please try and under utilize the caps at least….thanks.

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By national-security-4-us, June 5, 2007 at 5:42 pm Link to this comment

1945 - USA SURRENDERED HER SOVEREIGNTY AS DID OTHER NATIONS.
EVERY NATION THAT’S A MEMBER OF THE UNITED NATIONS - UPON SIGNING THIS CHARTER - RELINQUISHED THEIR INDIVIDUAL NATIONAL SOVEREIGNTY & NATIONAL POWER 2 THE UNITED NATIONS’ - SECURITY COUNCIL…

GRANTED AMERICA MAY HAVE ALITTLE MORE JUICE THEN EVERY OTHER NATION - THAT IS ONLY BECAUSE WE HOST THE BODY IN THE U.S. - THE UNITED NATIONS’ SECURITY COUNCIL…


“BEHOLD A PALE HORSE - BY WILLIAM COOPER”

“CHAPER 13 - TREASON IN HIGH PLACES”

THE U.S. CONSTITUTION ARTICLE VI STATES:

All Debts contracted & Engagements entered into, before the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the U.S. under this Constitution, as under the Confederation…

This Constitutional & the Laws of the U.S. which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; & all Treaties made, or which shall be made,under the Authority of the U.S., shall be the supreme Law of the Land; & the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby,any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding….

The Senators & Representatives b-4 mentioned, & the Members of the several State Legislatures, & all executive & judicial Officers,both of the U.S. & of the several States,shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation,to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States….

HAVE WE ALREADY JOINED A NEW WORLD ORDER ???

U.S. SOVEREIGNTY—- FACT OR FICTION…

The Executive,Judicial & Legislative Branches of the U.S. Government have followed the policy that the United Nations Treaty APPROVED under the United Nations’ Participation Act of 1945 in behalf of the United States of America by Harry S. Truman & the United States Senate,which treaty SUPERSEDES the UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION UNDER THE TERMS OF ARTICLE VI OF THE U.S. CONSTITUTION…

THE COUNCIL OF FOREIGN RELATIONS created the UNITED NATIONS. Their member agents,Alger Hiss & Leo Pasvolsky did the paperwork,but the honors went to a special committee appointed by President Roosevelt to draw the first draft of the Charter…

The members of the Committee were: Sumner Wells,
Isaiah Bowman,Hamilton Fish Armstrong,Benjamin Cohen,
& Clark Eichelberger - all members of the COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS & members of a secret ORDER OF THE QUEST CALLED THE JASON SOCIETY…

THE CHARTER WAS RUSHED THROUGH THE U.S. SENATE without printed copies to guide the Senators: it was EXPLAINED to them by RUSSIAN-BORN REVOLUTIONARY LEO PASVOLSKY…

The Charter conferred no real power on the General Assembly; all the power was in the Security Council where the VETO was. The Senate would not have ratified the Charter except that the American delegation had a right to VETO if our interests were threatened by action of other member States…


“EXCERPTS FROM BEHOLD A PALE HORSE - BY WILLIAM COOPER - PAGE 240…

THIS MANS’ CONSCIENCE FINALLY CONVICTED HIM TO TELL -A TELL ALL BOOK - WHICH EVENTUALLY LED 2 HIM BEING MURDERED - 4 TELLING THE DIABOLICAL DEEDS AMERICA HAS
COMMITTED IN WHICH HE HAS EYE-WITNESSED/HEARD & EVEN PARTICIPANTED IN OVER THE YEARS…

HE LEARNED ALL OF THIS AS A MEMBER OF THE UNITED STATES NAVAL INTELLIGENCE BRIEFING TEAM - WITH VERY HIGH - THE HIGHEST SECURITY CLEARANCES….HE SPOKE TRUTH 2 POWER & DIED 4 IT…

“TRUST YET VERIFY”- HIS WORDS ARE VERIFICATION - READ THE BOOK & LEARN A HELL OF A LOT…

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By national-security-4-us, June 5, 2007 at 5:26 pm Link to this comment

READ THIS PIECE - ECONOMIC HITMEN CONTROLLED COUTRIES
2 FAIL WHILE CORPORATION GOT PAID “UNGODLY”

SAD BUT TRUE & VERY SHOCKING…

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=07/06/05/149254

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By national-security-4-us, June 5, 2007 at 5:18 pm Link to this comment

i doubt as 2 whether or not it matters if the usa is
part of or recognizes the i.c.c. for the usa or its’ members 2 be prosecuted…

internetional law / treaties supercedes americas’ dominance - as long as the rest of the world screams & howls loud enough action will eventually be taken..

like 2 years ago a melbourne florida lawyer won a seat on the i.c.c. - i forget his name yet read it in the papers…

as 4 the kyoto treaty i think bush did right by not signing on because it absolutely relinquishes americas’ sovereignty as a nation…

even though that has already happened in 1945 treaty
signed in the dead of night in secret when the league of nations converted in to the united nations led by war criminals & spies to hood-wink america into signing it—- you know if you can’t beat them—join them…

the kyoto treat states in part - “SIGNIFICANT PORTIONS OF AMERICAN SOIL UNDER THE DIRECT CONTROL OF THE UNITED NATIONS & MUCH OF THE AMERICAN INDUSTRY
WILL BE SUBORDINATED 2 FORIEGN CONTROL UNDER THE
“KYOTO TREATY”—- DECEMBER 1997…

CLINTON SIGNED ONTO THE KYOTO TREATY B-4 LEAVING OFFICE & BUSHS’ 1ST ORDER OF BUSINESS WAS 2 REVOKE IT
& I 4 ONE APPLAUDED HIM 4 THAT - EVEN THOUGH HE IS STILL A VILLIANOUS CRIMINAL…

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By Stephen Smoliar, June 5, 2007 at 4:51 pm Link to this comment

For the record, I am pretty sure that the United States still does not participate in the International Criminal Court system.  I remember when Bush refused to ratify participation.  It was between signing on the Kyoto and 9/11.  Many opined that his ICC decision had been intended to save Kissinger’s ass.  Perhaps (just perhaps) he may have been prescient enough to recognize that he might also have been saving his own.

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By Skruff, June 5, 2007 at 6:17 am Link to this comment
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“All you could do was attack me like the jack-booted, goose-stepping thugs that is liberalism.”

Historical note:

Hitler hated “liberals” A liberal might find himself standing in line next to jews and homosexuals and Gypsies at Dachau.


“Universal education is the most corroding and disintegrating poison that liberalism has ever invented for its own destruction.”


Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
Voice of Destruction

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By national-security-4-us, June 5, 2007 at 2:23 am Link to this comment

HERE’S MY TAKE ON THE MILITARY COMMISSIONS’ ACT…

4 STARTERS SOME OF THEM CAPTURED HAVE BEEN “INDICTED”
IN FEDERAL COURT 4 A VARIETY OF CRIMES ON INTERESTS/ PROPERTY OF THE U.S. EITHER HERE OR ABROAD…

THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK FEDERAL COURT HAD IN THE PAST “INDICTED” A SLEW OF PEOPLE…

NOW REGARDLESS OF WHERE THEY WERE NABBED - THE U.S. FEDERAL INDICTMENT TAKES PRECEDENCE—UNTIL THE MCA
WAS DIABOLICALLY CRAFTED…

WHY WAS IT MADE——SIMPLY 4 THIS REASON:

IMAGINE THE TERRORISTS IN OPEN COURT W/PEOPLE/PRESS &
THEY TELL THE TRUTH LIKE POSSIBLE GOVT. ASSISTANCE IN
ANY PAST OR PRESENT OPERATIONS—NOW IF THIS IS TRUE
AT ALL WHATSOEVER - THOSE WHO KNOW PONDERED THIS POSSIBLITY…

WE ALL SAW THAT LAST ASSHOLE GO OFF IN COURT - LUCKY
4 THE GOVT. HE WAS A NOBODY & DOES NOT KNOW WHAT SOME
OF THESE PEOPLE MIGHT OR DO POSSIBLY KNOW…

MILITARY TRIBUNALS DONE IN SECRET = NO PRESS/PEOPLE..

IF THE TRUTH IS SPOKEN - IT WILL NEVER GET OUT UNLESS
A RIGHTEOUS JUDGE DOES THE RIGHT THING & TELLS ALL OR
DISMISSES THE CASE ALTOGETHER…

BELIEVE ME PEOPLE IT DOES NOT TAKE MUCH BRAIN POWER 2
FIGURE THIS ONE OUT—- ESPECIALLY AFTER WHAT I HAVE BEEN THOUGH…

THAT’S WHY THEY ARE TRYING 2 KILL THAT TERRORIST THAT
THEY DUMPED IN SOMALIA AFTER HOLDING HIM 4 LIKE 30 MONTHS & APPARENTLY HE DID NOT BREAK…

THE CRIMES/CRIMINAL CONDUCT HAS ONLY ACCUMULATED 2 THE POINT THAT IT HAS SURPASSED ANYTHING THAT THE TERRORISTS COULD DO - SINCE AMERICA FIRST TRAINED
THEM & FINANCED THEM—- ONLY 2 HAVE THEM TURN ON US.


I COULD IMAGINE THE STORIES THAT WOULD BE TOLD IF ONLY THE TERRORISTS COULD HAVE THEIR DAY IN COURT—
IN FEDERAL COURT OPEN 2 THE PUBLIC - WHERE THEY WERE
INITIALLY INDICTED - NOT IN A SECRET MILITARY COURT..

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By cyrena, June 5, 2007 at 12:58 am Link to this comment

Oh humble servant, no apologies required for your absence. I was counting it among the limited “blessings” there are available to us these days. Could I perhaps pay you to stay away longer? Or even forever? Nevermind that, seeing as how I’m not rich. My daddy’s dead, and he didn’t own a liquor store. Matter of fact, all he really knew how to do was design airplanes, and help build them, but the time I came along, I only had time to learn how to fly them. (I never could draw).

On the law, I’m a bit more familiar. Quite a bit actually. Enough to be aware of the Electoral College. However, we didn’t use the Electoral College in The Coup of 2000, and we didn’t use the popular vote either. The Bush Appointed Supreme Court APPOINTED their leader as president, and that’s just the bottom line. So, let’s call it what it is. A judicial Coup, and the worst thing to happen to our Nation in over a century.

Now, you mentioned that you PAST 5th grade civics. I presume that to mean that you skipped it, because when I do my student grading, they either PASS, or they don’t. So, by your own admission, you (since you say you PAST it) I have to assume that you did a George W number, which that you simply skipped out. Too bad you don’t have a rich daddy, you could have obtained a MBA from Harvard as well. Then you wouldn’t have had to go off to work, and leave us all here so lonesome for your free vision into a psychopathic mind. There are meds available now you know. They could help. Check in with a doc if you can, provided you have some insurance to go with your job. I can’t make any promises, but it’s certainly worth a try. I hate to see anybody so miserable if they don’t have to be. It’s not like there isn’t enough to go around.

And you’re right. I’m a woman, and I am gorgeous, but we never put much stock in physical beauty in my neck of the woods. In all honesty, I’d rather just use my brain to support myself, and anytime I’m likely to be frustrated, there are always people like you to make me remember how fortunate I am.

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By national-security-4-us, June 5, 2007 at 12:57 am Link to this comment

WAY 2 GO TOBY

humble is a fumbling-bumbling idiot…

anyone who comes here 2 post negative shit on FACTS
known 2 be TRUE - we know where they stand it is that simple…

if only the american people / the entire world community could unite - W/A LITTLE HELP FROM THE I.C.C. - we can put all of these pieces of trash where they belong—IN THE GRAVE 4 THEIR CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY & TREASON…

All of CONGRESS by the way are just as guilty as bush 4 the continuation of the war…

please read ARTICLE I SECTION 8 - SUBSECTION K OR THE
11TH PHRASE IT STATES:
“2 RAISE & SUPPORT ARMIES,BUT NO APPROPRIATION OF MONEY 2 THAT USE SHALL BE 4 A LONGER TERM THAN 2 YEARS”

so with that said - CONGRESS realistically could also
face “WAR CRIMES” - 4 NOT DEMANDING THE WAR END IN 2 YEARS BY NOT FUNDING IT ANY LONGER…

the international criminal court was made 2 destroy
america 4 all of its’ arrogance & school yard bully
tactics it forced on nations 4 some time now…

not only the executive branch - also the military brass/soldiers + 535 CONGRESSIONAL MEMBERS potentially could face tribunal hearings some where down the road when the I.C.C. gets its’ head together

I do know recently a judge from MELBOURNE,FLORIDA won
a spot on the court—- talk about having a conflict of interest issue & pushing american influence…

hopefully the outcry from all nations will force the
I.C.C. 2 take action very soon…

wouldn’t it be sweet - all of the deceiving/thieving/
lying/conniving scumbags get tried in one fell swoop
showing a lesson 2 america & the rest of the world /
future leaders what can happen by breaking treaties/
international law & just being plain greedy/evil…

I’ve been warning senator feingold of this scenario 4
sometime now - but these bigwigs dumb-ass dildos who
believe in every other “ISM” other then “CREATIONISM”
ARE PLAYING WITH FIRE & SOON 2 GET BURNED…

why do you think the SCOTUS allowed 4 prisoners 2 be
treated fairly against bushs’ will—BECAUSE THE I.C.C. could have possibly found that the SCOTUS has VIOLATED international law / treaties…

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By cyrena, June 4, 2007 at 11:56 pm Link to this comment

For Skruff,

You wrote:
The standard “innocent until PROVEN guilty” leaves LBJ innocent” of lying to congress (Tonkin Gulf) Jamed Polk innocent of an unprovoked attack on Mexioc and subsequent theft of sovereign lands…

And, I do in fact appreciate the reminder that nothing is absolute in US Law. It it couldn’t be argued, we wouldn’t have the law. But, on the “innocent until proven guilty” wouldn’t it be fair to say that we never TRIED to prove LBJ guilty, (although we certainly tried with O.J. and if they hadn’t tried to “frame” an already guilty man, he might have been appropriately convicted).

So, we didn’t do anything about LBJ lying us into Vietnam, although admittedly, he at least took some sense of moral responsibility for his bad choices. I honestly believe when he said he rarely slept during that war, and I don’t doubt that he left the White House a broken man as a result.

But, back to my point. We just never tried to prove any of these people guilty. But with Dick Bush Rove Axis, we actually have tons of evidence. (I think someone else mentioned Elizabeth De La Vargas’ piece, which lays it all out really well) And then, there’s the Scooter Libby trial, which was effectively a case for at least Cheney’s impeachment. (at least the same evidence already in the record could be used). And, if push comes to shove, even I could come up with something that would probably be acceptable to the International Criminal Court, (I’d need a little professional mentoring on some of the finer points). But over all, it seems like if the only thing that we have to do is PROVE them guilty, it’s definitely “do-able”.

Meantime, we lose ground everyday that these guys can give orders to attack, anywhere, and anyone. How long before the first cluster bombs are dropped on Iran? Cheney hasn’t dispatched all of those war ships just so they could toole around the Persian Gulf this summer. That’s like a whole lot of petrol just for an excusion. Scares the living shit out of me.

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By Toby, June 4, 2007 at 8:47 pm Link to this comment
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RE: #75360 by Humble Servant

Interesting fellow “Humble Servant” ...
A living, breathing (I assume) typing example of the results of the “altered reality” of Schizoid Karl, Rhetorical Bush and their favorite Dick.

For in fact “Humble Servant” serves only himself.
In classic neo-con fashion, he takes advantage of this forum and these posters and we commenters, to promote himself and his web site.

This needs to be pointed out as being distinctly different from those who post links to many sites, in some cases their own, for the purpose of expanding on the subject at hand, or offering additional information that might lead onward and upward to the TRUTH.

Little wonder “Humble Servant” is angry and frustrated. After all, he daily provides us with the opportunity to click on his site, giving him some measure of satisfaction and perhaps a sense of self and success. And I suppose he needs all of that he can get (don’t we all) But, in my humble estimation If his site reads like his postings here, I don’t see an alternate path to truth there. I see an alternate path to the twi-lite zone. A slightly tipped, not quite as good as the original, version of spin-meister Roves altered reality.

So I will not be visiting his site.

If I were to offer Humble Servant anything, it would be ...
Sir, it is never to late to get help.
Treatment is available.
Schizophrenia can be controlled.

However the reaction to such sound advice would be, I am quite sure, a litany of derision, attack and extreme foolishness in the name of truth.

Therefore, I for one from this point on intend to ignore him utterly.
Period.

Post On Truthdiggers!
Post On!

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By Stephen Smoliar, June 4, 2007 at 7:29 pm Link to this comment

Skruff, your comment about saviors (#75010) is the point I was trying to make back about Secular Messianism in comment #74237;  but that was back on May 31.  It feels as if an eternity has passed since then!  (Unfortunately, we still seem to be drifting away from the concept of repudiation;  but that is the way discussions progress!)

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By Humble Servant, June 4, 2007 at 6:44 pm Link to this comment

My dear friends at Truthdig,

I apologize for my prolong absence; however, I was at work today.  I know that most liberals do not understand the concept of work.  This is where you leave your parents’ basement, and perform some service or task in exchange for money.  You do not have to depend on the government sending you a check.

The exchanges here have been most interesting.  You have reaffirmed my raison d’être.  I started my blog to show the hypocrisy within liberalism.  Your responses to me fulfilled my every expectation.  Liberals want everyone to believe they are the party of inclusion, that they are open-minded, and that they embrace diversity.  Only in some drug-induced fantasyland is this true.  All you could do was attack me like the jack-booted, goose-stepping thugs that is liberalism. 

My dearest Cyrena, your ignorance of the Constitution is only overshadowed by your shear stupidity.  In fact, I did past 5th grade civics.  However, it seems that in your special ed class, you were still struggling with coloring within the lines, rather than studying civics.  I’ll type this slow so you can understand.  No where in the US Constitution are you give the right to vote directly for the President of the US.  We elect a President through the Electoral College not by popular vote.  Never have, never will.  If you are a woman, I hope you are good looking, have big boobs, and your daddy owns a liquor store…life will be so much easier for you.  If you are a guy, good luck with that career at McDonalds.  “Would you like to super-size that sir?”  Keep on practicing you’ll get it memorize in no time.

My time spent here inspired my latest post on my blog:  http://liberal-hypocrisy.com/blog/2007/06/04/true-liberalism-at-truthdig/.

Please do not save all of your politics of personal destruction for my visits back to this site.  You are welcome to come over to my home and spew your bigoted, racist, drivel.  I promise to allow you to post anything other than porn, no matter how stupid it makes you look.

I eagerly await our next meeting.

As always,
Your devoted, humble servant

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By JNagarya, June 4, 2007 at 5:58 pm Link to this comment

It isn’t either/or.

There’s no reason we not both impeach and repudicate.  In fact, impeachment is a repudiation of the behaviors, and the policies which flow therefrom, of those impeached.

It also makes for a bigger crowd: those who are for repudiation join with those who are for impeachment, and _vice-versa_.

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By JNagarya, June 4, 2007 at 5:55 pm Link to this comment

“#75291 by Skruff on 6/04 at 8:01 pm
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“75253 by Fritzer on 6/04 at 11:10 am

“We need you and America needs a savior ...”

“I would suggest that this may be part of the problem.  Why a “savior” why not jump in and do it yourself. 

“It should be evident to every voting age citizen in these united states, we can’t hire an employee to “do it for us” they just don’t””

Actually, they do.  Your problem is that they don’t view you as their only constituent.

“They get to Washington and have a personality change and behave exactly as those they displaced.”

Actually they don’t.  And you’re making the same excuses as the person to whom you respond.  This is the alternative, the reality—

“Democracy is responsibility.”—Justice Louis Brandeis.

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75253 by Fritzer on 6/04 at 11:10 am

“We need you and America needs a savior ...”

I would suggest that this may be part of the problem.  Why a “savior” why not jump in and do it yourself. 

Bet a Buick you would fare as well in Washington as a Ritter. 

It should be evident to every voting age citizen in these united states, we can’t hire an employee to “do it for us” they just don’t” They get to Washington and have a personality change and behave exactly as those they displaced.

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By Stephen Smoliar, June 4, 2007 at 2:09 pm Link to this comment

tedbohne (#75261), reflecting back on yesterday (#75004), when I suggested that repudiation amounts to saying “I screwed up, and I am committed to undoing the mess I made,” whether or not those “rodents” are impervious to either reason or the desires of the American people is not the issue.  That paraphrase cannot be uttered (at least in a meaningful way) without a sense of SHAME.  We are in this mess because those who put us there are so convinced of the rightness of their acts that they cannot conceive of a sense of shame about them.  Of course there is nothing new about such oblivion to shame.  It can be traced back at least as far as Nietzsche and was mastered by both Hitler and Stalin.  Now it is in our own backyard;  and those of us who were brought up to “do the right thing” really have no way of dealing with it.

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By Mudwollow, June 4, 2007 at 2:00 pm Link to this comment

Just read Elizabeth de la Vega, Indicting Bush.

http://www.tomdispatch.com/index.mhtml?pid=143205

And Pelosi took impeachment off the table. This man should be arrested first and impeached later. A shockingly clear list of the Bush administration crimes against the people of America. Off the table my ass.

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By tedbohne, June 4, 2007 at 12:49 pm Link to this comment
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It is unfortunate that Major Ritter still misses the point.  But then, so far, so has nearly everyone else.  It’s not the people.  It’s the system, local, state and federal.  It is DEAD.  It was never meant to work with this many people and with a country the size of the US in terms of land mass.  Does the Major actually think he can petition ANY aspect or person in this “government” for redress or the adoption of an entirely new social control paradigm?  At it’s roots, the current construct is no different from any other throughout human history.  I wonder then, when we “repudiate” this group of miscreants what is to be done?  Do we turn our backs on them?  Do we tell them to get out?  What?  These rodents are impervious to reason or the desires of the American people, whatever those are.  Further, the American people seem quite content to allow things to go on as usual.  By the time NOTHING happens in congress, the 2008 elections will be here, and my suspicion is that the republicans and republicrats have already a plan in place.

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By Fritzer, June 4, 2007 at 12:10 pm Link to this comment
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Thank you and BRAVO Scott Ritter.

Please switch from the Republican-Mafia-Type-Party and join the Progressives.  Please Jump in and SAVE America and discard the betrayers and war lovers in the Democratic Party too!


Please switch from the Republican party which nowadays, for the most part, stands and represents:

The Liars, the Thieves, the Mafia-Mentality-Party, the Terrorists-producers, the WARS for Profiteering lovers, the Corporate lovers, the Oil lovers, the Chaos lovers, the Anti-Law and Order, the Anti-We-The-People, For Profits-Only at any costs to the World, For the destruction of all environment, For lies about Global warming, the Anti-Constitution, Anti-American, For the 1% richest to control the other 99% of the people, Anti middle class, Anti poor, Anti-hungry, Anti-Healthcare, Anti PEACE, Anti family values, For Dictatorship in America,  For Dictatorships every where in the world, For Nazi-Type-Propaganda, For confusion, For destruction all that is good, For monopoly of all Communication channels and all MSMs, Anti Freedom, Anti Liberty, Anti Justice, and finally the party that is totally dedicated to ANTI-HUMANITY GOALS!

Do you realize that you can be a million times more effective if you hold an office?
You have great ideas and you can really affect America when you speak from an official capacity, like a Senator, a Congressman or President!

We need you and America needs a savior to tell the truths that you articulate so fantastically. 
BRAVO Scott Ritter!

Thank you,

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By ocjim, June 4, 2007 at 10:52 am Link to this comment

Much has been said already. The only thing I can add involves the long-term impact of what we have done in concert, regardless of whether you voted for the mediocre occupant of the White House or not. There was a time that we could elect (or appoint) an incompetent leader and the damage done was minimal and confined to our country. Now Bush has proven that global damage can be done and that doesn’t even consider the opportunity costs of decisions benefitting a tiny fraction of our globe’s occupants. Due to Bush administration bonehead decisions, Perhaps, without thoughtful decisions by our future leaders, our demise can be singular but probably not. It is tragic that a Bush came along at this time when the world is so vulnerable to wrong turns by powerful leaders.

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By Mark A. Goldman, June 4, 2007 at 10:50 am Link to this comment

Well Skruff, the truth of your observations do not justify more injustice.  And to make the mistakes and neglect of the past precedents to follow in the future, I think is a mistake.  We need to defend the rule of law if we hope to put our house in order, otherwise every affront to the Constitution and basic decency will become its own justification and a reason to accept the further disintegration of our culture and our humanity.

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By Leefeller, June 4, 2007 at 9:56 am Link to this comment

ardee,


I agree with your points on your post and reading the new posts since ours, I am forced to agree with you once more.

My ranting days, have been less of late, but I still enjoy an occasional purging of, yee old pent up fustrations.

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By Skruff, June 4, 2007 at 5:47 am Link to this comment
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I hate to jump into a conversation where the terms “Jackass” and “Dumbass” are used, but I can’t resist pointing out, that one of the first things students in prelaw learn is that there are no “absolutes” in U.S. Law. We never make a law which can’t be argued. 

Lincoln was not impeached for suspending habeas corpus, Reagan was not impeached for violating the Boland ammendment, Roosvelt was not impeached for his (seemingly unconstitutional) attempt to alter and pack the Supreme Court, and Bush will not be impeached for his actions. The standard “innocent until PROVEN guilty” leaves LBJ innocent” of lying to congress (Tonkin Gulf) Jamed Polk innocent of an unprovoked attack on Mexioc and subsequent theft of sovereign lands,

In short the result of all this is we have an “innocent” O.J. Simpson living in his million dollar Florida estate, a president who (under our law) serves legally dispite the questions concerning how he was elected, and a war in Iraq which continues unabated while the world body to which most of our allies subscribe, has declared it outside the strictures of U.N. member behavior.

U.S. duplicity is not a crime.  We can use the U.N. and other world bodies for our gain while ignoring their edicts, and failing to pay our dues.

U.S. citizens do not have a lock on spinelessness.

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By cyrena, June 4, 2007 at 1:16 am Link to this comment

For Humble Servant,

It would be interesting to know who you are “humbling serving” but it’s not a priority at the moment.

What is important for you to know, is that you might learn something, if you keep reading, and if you unclog some of the arteries that connect between your butt and your brain.

The fact of the matter is that this administration, (and you can use George’s name if you want, since he is the president on paper at least) has in fact violated so much of the Constitution that the list is incredibly long, and you wouldn’t be able to make the connections in your own retarded mentality. But, there’s hope, since it appears that you can at least read and writeat the basic levels, and that’s more than a lot of folks are capable of, including George.

George was NOT constitutionally elected in 2000. It’s that simple. The people voted for Al Gore, and the Mob took possession of our government instead. And, we’ve been in free fall ever since.

I cannot explain to you why the Democrats did not begin impeachment proceedings as soon as they finally gained that very marginal control of our Congress, after 12 long years of assault by the neo-cons, the last 6 of those years being the worst that our nation has ever lived through. In short, we have been an abused society, for a very long time now, and it’s taken it’s toll. And, the bottom line is that it’s a horrible infection that will take some time to cure. It didn’t happen overnight, and most of America is only just beginning to figure it out.

So, while I’m not making any excuses for the fact that there are in fact democrats who have NOT made impeachment a priority once they finally DID gain some measure of control in our Congress, I DO want to reiterate that it is NOT because Dick Bush hasn’t committed gross violations of the Constitution, or that these are NOT impeachable offenses. THEY ARE, and they are numerous. And, that’s just talking about the U.S. Constitution. They are in equal violation of International Law, and so they can be tried and convicted for War Crimes, as well as Crimes against Humanity, and a host of others.

And, at some point in time, I’m sure that they can be convicted. Meantime however, what is most important for us, is to impeach them (and, practically speaking, Cheney needs to be the one impeached first, just because he is the DANGER, because HE CALLS ALL OF THE SHOTS!!!) George is no smarter than you are, so for all intents and purposes, it’s the “head” that has to be eliminated, in any sort of terrorist network. (which is what the administration is….a terrorist network).

Here again, I can’t tell you why the LEADING dems of the new Congress have put this very important business aside, although I admit that I’m incredibly disappointed. Still, there are initiatives now in 11 states, (for impeachment)and the momentum has in fact picked up across the nation, even in places that I would not have thought possible. (Like TEXAS, fully owned and operated for so many decades, by this very same Mob in power now).

So, it might just happen after all, in spite of people like you, because anyone who is functionally literate, (I mean we get this stuff in 5th grade civics) would know that this executive branch has violated the Constitution and destroyed the rule of law in countless ways. Actully, from a parliamentary standpoint, we could knock this out in a week of hearings. That’s how much overwhelming evidence there is, of so many of their crimes.

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By Tony Wicher, June 3, 2007 at 11:12 pm Link to this comment

Re, #75078 by Ernest Canning on 6/03 at 2:56 pm

I agree that Scott Ritter has been authoritative on the subject of weapons inspections, and also that in this article he does not display a fine appreciation of the significance of the constitutional function and meaning of impeachment. Outside of his area of expertise, Scott Ritter seems to me to be more pompous than profound.

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By national-security-4-us, June 3, 2007 at 10:01 pm Link to this comment

HUMBLE SERVANT

i beg 2 differ the 1 they r tryin 2 kill in somalia
was captured in psl fla + 1-the matter was covered-up
4-1 or 2 reasons.

5/29/04 a(mwt)f.a.m./a.s. captured at 6 pm less than 72 hrs from ashcroft/muellers’ p.conf. on 5/26/04.

a friend in the coast guard CONFIRMED THE CAPTURE + many others-friend in the c.g. told me feds. were going 2 cover it up 2 not pay the $25 mil reward 4 info leading 2 his capture-from my 911 call.

or these people were here intentionally 2 do dirt so a exec.order could b implemented 2 suspend the constitution/bill of rights/enforce martial law-2 finally shut america down/send economy in a tailspin so all become SUBSERVIANT 2 the u.s. govt.
GEN.FRANKS RECENTLY SPOKE ABOUT THIS KIND OF PLAN HE SAID “A TERRORIST ATTACK ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD COULD FORCE THIS INTO BEING”

he’s the decider/i’ve written bush 1 fax + 2-3 page letters about this w/“NO REPLY AT ALL”

READ THE 14TH AMENDEMNT SECT.4 + “PUBLIC LAW -98-533”

MANY IN THE HOUSE/SENATE INTEL/JUDICIARY HAVE BEEN TOLD ABOUT THIS SINCE 6/2004.

you see it’s all about the money another 1 was sent 2
pakistan 2 get out of paying his 25 mil reward.

in less then 2 wks. i hunted down 6 of 7 -3 were
captured 2-i know of-2 i saw “CAPTURED LIVE”-THEY’RE LUCKY I’VE NO FILM OF IT.

any event many violated their oath of office/publics’
trust/ethical standards.

congress knows-in 2 wks time I SURPASSED MANY OF THEIR “NET WORTH”/THEY’RE VERY ENVIOUS/JEALOUS OF IT-INCLUDING SOME INTEL/L.E.O.‘s

THE CABINET MEMBERS WHO QUIT NOT RESIGNED DID SO OUT OF DISGUST 4 THE DECISION 2 LITERALLY FUCK ME OVER BIG TIME.

it’s obvious 2 me-i ruined some-1s’ game plan-oh well
although it’s still coming/will happen again.

go 2 waxmans’ post/read a official email i sent 2 him
/house judiciary comm.

you fight bush you get fired/resign or will cease 2 exist.

he’s defacto king toto ruler of the world which by the way was ghwb plan in which the torch had 2 be passed.

a pact made by a recent anti-christ in 1920’s who bore 2 demon-children who’ve ruled where 1 is dead/1
is on his death-bed playing as a angel w/1 goal in mind.

so 2 have a(mwt)in u.s.custody who was under u.s. indictment-hold him 4-30 months until he surfaced in somalia because that’s where he was dumped at 2 be KILLED so his secrets go 2 the grave w/him - IS MY FRIEND SERIOUS VIOLATIONS OF U.S.LAWS/CONSTITUTION + MANY MORE I’M SURE.

READ ALL ABOUT AT WAXMANS’ POST/HERE.

http://national-security-4u.blogspot.com/

http://low_down69.livejournal.com/

http://360.yahoo.com/caspereraser1

FBI CIVIL RIGHTS DIVISION + O.P.R. WERE TOLD/WERE
WRITTEN 3 PAGE LETTERS ENTAILING WHAT HAPPENED = NO INVESTIGATION-NO CALL BACK-NOT EVEN A REPLY - NOTHING

 

 


SO YOU TELL ME - I HAVE NO REASON 2 LIE ABOUT ANY OF THIS MY LIFE WAS DESTROYED 4 DOING THE RIGHT THING AS
ASHCROFT/MUELLER ASKED ALL AMERICANS 2 HELP THEM FIND
THESE PEOPLE FAST -THEY DO- 4 A SHIT LOAD OF REASONS I CAN THINK OF.

PRESENTLY THE ILLUSION IS BEING PAINTED THAT EVERYONE
IS ON THE BALL/DOING THEIR JOB 2 STOP ANY EMERGING
THREATS - 2 BE PERFECTLY HONEST W/YOU THEY ARE SIMPLY
LUCKING THE FUCK OUT.

HAD I NOT SPRUNG INTO ACTION - WE “WOULD HAVE BEEN ATTACKED ON MEMORIAL DAY 2004 I BELIEVE WHICH WAS 5/31/2004 - 2 WERE NABBED ON 5/29/2004 AT 6 PM & IT
FUCKED-UP THE OPERATION BIG TIME.

CELL WAS FULLY OPERATIONAL/READY 2 GO-ONLY THEY KNOW WHAT WAS FOUND AT THOSE LOCATIONS WHICH I HEARD WAS ASTOUNDING.

I BELIEVE THESE 2 WERE ON A LAST “DRY RUN” TARGET WAS
2 ME 1 OF 3 PLACES - I’D RATHER NOT SAY AHH FUCK IT
FREEDOM OF SPEECH RIGHT.

POSSIBLE NUKE PLANT/WEST PALM BEACH BECAUSE OF THE
WEALTHY JEWISH POPULATION/MIAMI 4 THE INFLUX OF IMMIGRANTS THERE FROM MANY MUSLIM NATIONS THAT THEY
WOULD VIEW AS TRAITORS 2 THEIR NATION/CREED/RELIGION.

THAT MY FELLOW AMERICANS IS THE REAL DEAL - “WE THE PEOPLE” ARE NOT BEING TOLD - A SAD SORRY STATE OF AFFAIRS - YET HOWEVER IS TRUE - I KNOW IT 2 BE TRUE &
SO DO MANY OTHERS…

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By cann4ing, June 3, 2007 at 8:55 pm Link to this comment

Humble Servant.  I recognize from the quality of your postings, or should I say the lack thereof, that you are barely literate; that the depth of your knowledge comes from the faux news at Fox; that you harbor strongly felt opinions with little or no evidence to support them and that your reasoning skills are, to put it delicately, sorely lacking.

If you are the least bit curious as to why serious constitutional scholars believe this President should be impeached, I would urge that you start by reading Dave Lindorff & Barbara Olshansky’s “The Case for Impeachment,” followed by the essays compiled by Dennis Loo & Peter Phillips in “Impeach the President:  The Case Against Bush & Cheney.” 

The fact that Bush has not been impeached does not mean that the grounds for impeachment do not exist.  It merely reflects that during the six years the Republicans were in power (some of whom have since gone to prison), those Republicans put loyalty to party before loyalty to the Constitution, and that during the relatively brief period the Democrats have controlled Congress, the so-called Democratic “leadership” is more worried about how impeachment proceedings would “appear” then they are about the sanctity of the rule of law.

The one thing you stated in your rants with which I wholeheartedly agree is that, oh how did you delicately put it, “the Dems should grow a pair and do it.”

Finally, you are flat-out wrong in stating that Bush was constitutionally elected in 2000 and re-elected in 2004.  On that issue, if you are interested in “facts” rather than your unsupported opinions, I would suggest reading S. Freeman & J. Bleifuss, “Was the 2004 presidential election stolen? Exit polls, election fraud and the official count;” Mark Crispin Miller, “Fooled Again,” and Greg Palast, “Armed Madhouse.”

But then the idea that you would actually take the time to “read” something that would permit you to become an “informed citizen” may be a bit optimistic.  More likely than not you will, instead, respond with some uncouth remark, as you have done with other posters.

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By cann4ing, June 3, 2007 at 8:19 pm Link to this comment

In comment #74986 Lefty asked, “Where’s the story about the voter “caging” conspiracy between Karl Rove, Deputy Attorney General Paul McNulty, former interim U.S. Attorney Tim Griffin, Monica Goodling…?”

Answer: Same place where most information about U.S. electoral fraud first appears—the British media.  Here’s a snippit from a 6/1/07 E-mail I received from Greg Palast:

“Tim Griffin…resigned Thursday as U.S. Attorney for Arkansas hours after BBC Television ‘Newsnight’ reported that Congressman John Conyers requested the network’s evidence on Griffin’s involvement in ‘caging voters.’  Greg Palast, reporting for BBC Newsnight, obtained a series of confidential emails from the 2004 Bush-Cheney campaign.  In these emails, Griffin, then the GOP Deputy Communications Director, transmitted…‘caging lists’ of voters to state party leaders.

“Experts have concluded the caging lists were designed for a mass challenge of voters’ right to cast ballots.  The caging lists were heavily weighted with minority voters….

“Conyers…met Thursday evening in New York with Palast.  After reviewing key documents, Conyers stated that, despite Griffin’s resignation, ‘We’re not through with him by any means.’

“Conyers indicated…he thought it unlikely Griffin could carry out this massive ‘caging’ operation without the knowledge of White House Deputy Chief of Staff Rove.”

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By Humble Servant, June 3, 2007 at 7:53 pm Link to this comment

Dear Lefty,

You are a dumbass.  If W has violated the Constitution, then why hasn’t the DemocRat controlled Congress done anything about it??  Hmmm?  Easy, because he hasn’t done anything that would justify an impeachment.  Everyone wants to say he has violated the Constitution, but nobody does anything about it.  He was Constitutionally elected in 2000, and then re-elected in 2004.  Get over it!!!  Take a Midal and wait until 2008.

You are goose-stepping with the DemocRats party line.

As always,
Your Humble Servant

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By Deborah, June 3, 2007 at 7:04 pm Link to this comment
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I simply could not finish this but I’ll try again tomorrow.

You fear we are too passive a nation for violent revolution and even if we weren’t you don’t espouse violence yet and still you don’t think impeachment is the answer either.

You go on to say that what we need instead is debate but the American people are too stupid to understand what they’re actually debating.

You can’t be serious. Furthermore, I think you are a coward. The conclusions in your article can only lead to one thing: the shedding of “natural manure” in revolution or the tamer version of impeachment. Anything else is farce.

However you seem to chicken out in your conclusions because you don’t want to be put in the position of saying our current government has to go by any means necessary.

Repudiation is far from sufficient. Impeachment or revolution can be our only course. That or the acceptance of tyranny.

This comment brought to you courtesy of an undereducated high school grad with no college degree.

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By Humble Servant, June 3, 2007 at 5:57 pm Link to this comment

Standard liberal dribble.  First, accuse the President of violating the Constitution and should be impeached.  If W deserves to be impreached, then the Dems should grow a pair and do it.  If W should be held accountable, then do it!!!! Stop talking about it. 

Now, since liberals are scrot-less, they blame people in fly-over country of being too stupid to really understand what he has done wrong.  If only the unwashed masses were smart like us liberals, this would never have happened.

Since, the average American knows more about the US Constitution than all liberals, the unwashed masses are not swayed by the mindless dribble coming from the left.

Maybe, just maybe, its the left that doesn’t understand America or what it means to be American.

As always,
Your Humble Servant
http://liberal-hypocrisy.com/blog/2007/05/31/if-i-knew-then-what-i-know-now/

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By Mark A. Goldman, June 3, 2007 at 5:30 pm Link to this comment

In practical terms, an honest impeachment process—which is to say, one that incorporates a complete list of impeachable offenses—appears to be the only mechanism available that could serve to educate and motivate the electorate as to the need for repudiation of this administration. 

If there were people in the House or in the Senate who have the moral fiber to bring or prosecute such a case, surely they would have done so by now.  One would assume that anyone who has the consciousness to take the full measure of this administration’s crimes into account would also have sufficient honor and the courage to do their job.  But apparently there is no one left in Congress of that stature.

And even retired public servants like Carter, Gore, and others are still also too timid to state the full case.  And that’s just how it is.  They know the public would not be prepared to hear the truth… at least not at first. 

The only people who have the desire to press the case are people like you and me… people not nationally known or respected.  So where does this leave us…  You tell me.

http://www.gpln.com/halfheartedattempts.htm

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By Toby, June 3, 2007 at 4:09 pm Link to this comment
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#75024 by Lefty
“George W. Bush sucks!  He’s not my president, or any other president, he’s an interloper who, in conspiracy with the pimp, Antonin Scalia, stole the 2000 election and the 2004 election.

There, he’s been repudiated.

NOW LET’S IMPEACH THE ASSHOLE!”

  ***

Short, simple and to the point.

#74999 by Lefty

“Re: #74938 by Billy the Dik”

“Nat Sec 4 Us, I recommend the book Rethinking Camelot by N. Chomsky.  It’s very, very informative.
However, the idea that Nov 22 1963 was the beginning of the death of the American Dream is precisely the thesis that gave the Dead Kennedy’s their Name.”
—————————————————————————-

“I would argue that the presidential election of November 1980 was the beginning of the death of America.”

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I would argue that the presidential election of November 1968 was the beginning of the death of America.

On second thought, I would argue that the (completely controlled by conservatives) CIA determination to invade Cuba (1961) and recover the wealth and holdings of a certain man named Walker were the beginning of the death of America.

No actually that was a symptom of a much broader attack on the republic put in place by and going back to individuals with somewhat questionable dealings in Europe prior to and during WWII.

And, their associates and dealings predate even WWII and have ties to even more questionable and threatening activities going all the way back to the Civil War! (and beyond)

In short there has always been an enemy of the republic waiting at the gate. Perhaps the better question is when did the enemy become the gate-keeper?

See above.

#74989 by Lee

“We may as well go back to the first overthrow of a foreign leader by the US. Queen Liliuokalani of Hawaii was overthrown - Don’t think this ancient ability to whip up the population into going to war on false pretexts is anything new.”

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Agreed, lets go back even further to the taking prisoner of and killing the Leaders of the great Indian Nations. A favorite sport in the early frontier days.

#74996 by William Lewis

To Billy the Dik. Your self-righteous wisdom is getting weary, remember the old saying, “A little goes a long way?” Please! Think about it.

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Oh contraire!

One can never gain to much wisdom. In fact, the truly wise man knows ...
The more wisdom gained, the more wisdom required.
Only that man lacking in wisdom believes he need learn no more!

Meanwhile, while it is important to understand the history that has blessed us with such an abundance of criminal activity in the name of democracy, I think the more important lesson we need to learn is:
Bad stuff happens.
Really bad stuff happens when bad people are in charge!

It has always been so and shall ever be thus.

Safe to say most of us agree, enough is enough!
Repudiating this administration is not enough!
Which is why it’s critically urgent that we send a message and set an example.

We want to see their names on the Docket!
We want to see them charged, then tried and if the evidence warrants, convicted!

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By cann4ing, June 3, 2007 at 3:56 pm Link to this comment

While I admire Scott Ritter, especially for his WMD expertise, I profoundly disagree with his effort at a legal analysis for which he lacks sufficient qualifications.  Although impeachment alone will not reign in the lawless “Unitary Executive,” it is a fundamental first step. 

The concept of the “Unitary Executive” was the brainchild of Samuel Alito, who as a young lawyer in the Reagan administeration issued a 2/5/86 Memo asserting that since “the President’s approval [of a bill] was just as important as that of the House or Senate, it seems to follow that the President’s understanding of the bill should be just as important as that of Congress.”  As revealed by the 2006 ABA Task Force on Presidential signing Statements, Alito’s memo provided the underlying premise for what has become a ritualistic practice of tacking on a presidential signing statement to nearly every bill after it has been “routed through Vice President Cheney’s office to be searched for perceived threats to the ‘Unitary Executive.’”

“Unitary executive” is a theory that is not merely radical but subversive.  Every U.S. president, based on mandatory language of Art. II of the Constitution, takes a solemn oath to see that the laws are faithfully executed.  Then Ass. Attorney General Wm. H. Rehnquist noted in 1969, “It is in our view extremely difficult to formulate a constitutional theory to justify a refusal by the President to comply with a Congressional directive….The execution of any law, by definition, is an executive function, and it seems an anomalous proposition because the Executive Branch is bound to execute the laws, it is free to decline to execute them.”

Alito evaded the core issue at his confirmation hearing when he said, “No man is above the law.”  Under “Unitary Executive” theory, the President “is” the law.

It isn’t just that the Bush administration has committed heinous crimes, including initiating an unprovoked war of aggression and the authorization of torture, but that Bush et al have sought to overthrow the established constitutional order, to, in the words of Columbia law professor Scott Horton, “overturn two centuries of jurisprudence defining the limits of the executive branch” creating “war” as “a matter of dictatorial power”—which given the endless nature of the so-called “war on terror” means permanent change.

As David Lindorff & Barbara Olshansky note in “The Case for Impeachment,” constitutional scholars agree the phrase “other high crimes and misdomeanors” was inserted into the Constitution as a “term of art used in 18th century England to refer specifically to ‘political crimes.’  This phrase did not necessarily mean indictable criminal offense but rather, abuses of power or injuries to the State committed by public officials by virtue of the positions of power they held.”

While Mr. Ritter is correct in asserting that impeachment will not, in itself, eliminate the danger of the lawless, “Unitary Executive,” it is “the” constitutional tool that provides the essential first step for reigning in executive abuse.  By taking impeachment “off-the-table,” Speaker Pelosi has taken the rule of law off-the-table.

In the face of the bald assertion by this administration that it can pick and chose which provisions of the law it will abide by, the U.S. Congress has a stark choice to make.  It can either apply the rule of law, or it can surrender power to the Executive, as the Reichstag did when it passed the Enabling Act—placing all executive, legislative and judicial powers in the hands of one man, Adolf Hitler.  While the democracy that once was the Weimar Republic died suddenly, ours is fading incrementally with the passage of mini-Enabling Acts like the Military Commissions Act and with the cowardly refusal to apply the rule of law through the impeachment process.

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By Leefeller, June 3, 2007 at 2:04 pm Link to this comment

Lefty, Thanks, I needed that my sentiments exactly!

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By Skruff, June 3, 2007 at 10:40 am Link to this comment
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74999 by Lefty on 6/03 at 8:57 am

“I would argue that the presidential election of November 1980 was the beginning of the death of America.”

...and I would argue that the “AMERICAN (sic) dream exists today. BUT it is still a dream…. never had any substance except for upwardly mobil white males. But the dream is alive and well in the poorest areas of these united states… primarily among teenagers & young adults.

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By Stephen Smoliar, June 3, 2007 at 10:15 am Link to this comment

Since Mark Goldman (#74795) seems to be the only one showing any concern for the actual usage of the noun “repudiation,” I decided I had better consult my SHORTER OXFORD.  The primary definition is “Divorce (of a wife).”  This makes for a great metaphor, but the second definition is more attuned to this discussion.  It, too, has two parts, one general and one specific.  The general definition is “The action of repudiating someone or something;  the fact of being repudiated;  rejection, disownment, disavowal.”  The second part is specific to legal usage:  “Refusal or failure to meet with the terms of a contract;  a denial or serious breach of contract.”  (Note that this reflect back on the primary definition in the context of those cultures in which a marriage is “sealed by contract.”)

What strikes me as most interesting about these definitions is that the agent DOING the repudiating is essentially rejecting (or disowning or disavowing) some DECISION or ACTION COMMITTED BY THE AGENT in the past.  An agent who repudiates is essentially saying, “I screwed up, and I now disavow the decisions and actions that brought about this mess.”  If we now move from denotation to connotation, then the agent is saying something else:  “I screwed up, and I am committed to undoing the mess I made.”  For me this cuts right to the bone of the question of what it means to repudiate, what turns the noun from the abstract concept on which Mr. Ritter has expounded to specific actions to which we commit.

Unfortunately, such comfort requires the strength of will;  and, as I have proposed both in Truthdig and on my own blog, we are far too comfortable to muster such will.

http://therehearsalstudio.blogspot.com/2007/05/comfort-is-enemy-of-will.html

I thank Russ Feingold for prompting my thinking along those lines.  He was the one who, after Congress caved into to the White House on troop funding, accused all of his colleagues, regardless of party, of placing their own political comfort above the voice of their electorate.  Vonnegut also wrote about our lack of will for getting out of the messes we make:

http://therehearsalstudio.blogspot.com/2007/05/fundamental-law-of-economics-strikes.html

Unfortunately, a nation whose citizens lack individual will is easy prey for a dictator who has it in ample supply.  Guess what?

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By William Lewis, June 3, 2007 at 9:49 am Link to this comment

To Billy the Dik. Your self-righteous wisdom is getting weary, remember the old saying, “A little goes a long way?” Please! Think about it.

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By ardee, June 3, 2007 at 9:39 am Link to this comment

Damning with faint praise…..

#74925 by Leefeller on 6/02 at 9:42 pm
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ardee, great post and I agree with most of your points. 

I do have a problem when you say “our nation is comprised of people undereducated and unaware of the greatness of our founders work is moot”, why mention it if it is moot?  Especially when you continue with “much of what is posted here would certainly validate that claim.” ?
It is possible you speak of me when you mention undereducated.  Assuming the definition to mean someone less educated than yourself.  Pomposity, preformed by Ritter calling us idiots and chastising us on our ignorance, is a good way to lose an audience.  Your comments seem similar.


Much of what is posted on this site, shows a common concern for the plight of our nation undereducated or not.  It is my impression that we agree on all points except on our perceptions of fellow posters.


I thank you for the praise and would further discuss the criticism of my comment re: undereducated voters.

Why you would assume that my words were aimed at you, or many others here who post thoughtful and well phrased efforts showing great insight is unknown to me. My words condemn the purposive dumbing down of the American people by the powers-that-be expressly to end any protest of their efforts to gain ultimate power and all the money. They certainly do not intend to place myself above or any beneath, they are, in my opinion, an accurate appraisal of the facts and ,again in my opinion, show plainly why the left remains fractious and powerless.

The attack upon the middle class , an ongoing and methodical shrinking of that class from which the educated and opposing voices spring, has been in full swing for decades. That I reference the (far too) many posts here that base their opinion on faulty logic or urban myth, the posts that show plainly the author has failed to research her claims fully (if at all), the posters who never, not once, get through a post without insulting (you know who they are).

You imply that the efforts here are indicative of attempts to change things for the better and I should withhold criticisms of faulty facts, pretzel logic and anger manangement issues, and you are correct in one aspect. Instead of responding to those who will never listen, think through what has been said or respond as you have, with thought and care, I should simply ignore them, which at first I did not do but certainly have begun .

We are engaged in a great struggle, one upon which the fate of our our nation will turn. If we wish to remain a shining example of the democratic spirit and its methodology then we will simply need better voices, more insight into the complex issues and certainly better ideas and suggestions. if we understand that, in order to make changes, we need a majority then we must perforce stop insulting those with whom we disagree and attempt to convince them with logic and calm rationale. Passion is great but some here take such umbrage at those who do not immediately fall into lock step with their (writ large in gold leaf) ideas that they name call and generally act like fools. I simply point this out in the (vain) hope that the discourse and debate will turn to cooperation, not to place myself on any pedestal, I am to prone to response in kind to be a role model…....

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By Lee, June 3, 2007 at 9:17 am Link to this comment
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We may as well go back to the first overthrow of a foreign leader by the US. Queen Liliuokalani of Hawaii was overthrown for the same reasons and in a same manner as was Iraq. All cooked up by a few dozen sugar plantation owners who were backed by the American minister who immediately called in the US military. Next was the sinking of the Maine which was transformed, much like 9-11, into legitimization for the Spanish American War (Liberation). Then Puerto Rico, the Philippines, Nicaragua, Honduras, Iran… Don’t think this ancient ability to whip up the population into going to war on false pretexts is anything new.

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By Skruff, June 3, 2007 at 6:03 am Link to this comment
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#74935 by JNagarya on 6/03 at 12:25 am

“#74833 by Skruff on 6/02 at 11:59 am

““For we are all to blame””

“It is the above phrase which prevents me from being a “liberal””

“It is not “our fault” any more than being robbed, assaulted, or raped is the victim’s fault.”

“We hire surrogates to conduct our business, if they run it badly, steal, or conduct business in a way we have directed against.

“We sent a clear message to our employees in the last election. They failed to do as told, so rightly someone should be fired.  My choice would be the person or people who directed this criminal course.”

If not a “liberal,” then you likely voted for those who are not “liberal”—those who are destroying the country.

You ASS-U-ME far too much, and there have been no liberals nor true conservatives in contention for the office of president since Teddy Roosvelt

And that makes you morally complicit in their crimes.

Nope, I just explained above you don’t know who I have supported for public office (secret ballot remember) so you have no evidence to support that statement.

And though difficult for such as you to grasp, there is truth in the paradox that the murdered has equal responsibility in his murder as does the murderer.

Oh, please expand on this theory, it sounds interesting.  Since I worked in a system which examined the circumstances surrounding child abuse, and have seen “the murdered” be infants, I’d really like to hear how they were “responsible” for their murder. elucidate.

That is a moral, and perhaps theological, truth you might think about as true until you grasp its truth.

Of course, you do have a penchant for preferring the convenient lie when it serves your ends.

Where have we met?  Do you know me?  What have I said that makes you believe I would support a lie?

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By national-security-4-us, June 3, 2007 at 4:22 am Link to this comment

it seems 2 me the battle that was brewing then dealt with the kennedy/bush dynasty/monoply & who would win
it…

history tells us who won that scenario…

however kennedy made that speech on SECRET SOCIETIES
& how they would not affect his administraion or even
try 2 influence it - that more then likely sealed his fate & any kennedy who thought likewise…

old teddy boy seemed 2 stay silent 2 save his life from death & joined the club by going along with the plan 2 get along - thus sparing his life….

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By national-security-4-us, June 3, 2007 at 1:35 am Link to this comment

To me the assassination of JFK & the subsequent inaction of those in office at the time of covering up / destroying key evidence was the beginning of the
end 4 america.

the people as a whole should of demanded truth & justice & not just listen/believe whatever the warren
commission - said was GOSPEL.

that generation blew it 4 the next generation - this
matter broke the will of the people 2 be intimidated.

funny how everyone alive then can remember EXACTLY where they were at the time of JFK’s death EXCEPT old
GHWB who was said 2 be in the area.

now many members of the military know everything & all of the dirty little VILE secrets of americas’ inner criminal/diabolical/devious under-takings & only after one is brandished/demonized/ostracized or
forcibly removed / resigned due 2 lack of being a team player in the inner sactum of the demonic world of politics—is it okay 2 speak-up or speak-out…

where was their conviction when they knew what they were doing was & illegal/immoral & yet stayed silent
4 fear of reprisal/repurcussion/even death…

2 me they are only trying 2 clear a conscious already
seared with a hot iron & their fate awaits them…

if you’re not speaking-up & out at the very beginning
knowing that such action in anyway is criminal or
immoral & you stay silent - that makes you just as guilty as the one drafting the policy or those who order others 2 carry out anything of the such…

b-4 some military personnel resigned they should have
held their little seances & seen just how much BRASS
was not down with the way things were going / formed
a alliance & then marched onthe halls of congress the
senate & then other agencies & FORCIBLY REMOVED/
JAILED THOSE GUILTY AGAINST CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY/
THE CONSTITUTION & LORD KNOWS WHAT ELSE BY MILITARY COUP..

I would implore people 2 read “BEHOLD A PALE HORSE” BY WILLIAM COOPER - 2 learn just how satanicially inspired our govt. & its’ inner circle really is.

much resinates out of harvard/yale the stomping grounds of/for the nwo.

cooper had the top of the line security clearances &
knew/told of it all - again 2 clear his conscious yet
informed the public..A INCREDIBLE READ…

THEN CHECK BIO’S OF HOUSE/SENATE MEMBERS OF HOW MANY
COME FROM HARVARD/YALE - OXFORD-RHODES SCHOLAR + SOME OTHERS - 2 see just how vast this secret society
has grown & how much it is influenced/incorporated in
various arenas - YOU WILL SHOCKED..

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By JNagarya, June 3, 2007 at 1:25 am Link to this comment

“#74833 by Skruff on 6/02 at 11:59 am
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““For we are all to blame””

“It is the above phrase which prevents me from being a “liberal””

“It is not “our fault” any more than being robbed, assaulted, or raped is the victim’s fault.” 

“We hire surrogates to conduct our business, if they run it badly, steal, or conduct business in a way we have directed against.

“We sent a clear message to our employees in the last election. They failed to do as told, so rightly someone should be fired.  My choice would be the person or people who directed this criminal course.”

If not a “liberal,” then you likely voted for those who are not “liberal”—those who are destroying the country.

And that makes you morally complicit in their crimes.

And though difficult for such as you to grasp, there is truth in the paradox that the murdered has equal responsibility in his murder as does the murderer.

That is a moral, and perhaps theological, truth you might think about as true until you grasp its truth.

Of course, you do have a penchant for preferring the convenient lie when it serves your ends.

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By Peter, June 2, 2007 at 11:14 pm Link to this comment
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As long as the public allow politicians to see themselves as leaders democracy will not flourish.
The people are the leaders and the politicains are there as public servants to do the will of the people.They, the politicians, are not supposed to have their own agenda . That would make them dictators.

Futhermore as long as your politicinas do not loose party status as soon as they are elected they cannot be impartial. One would imagine elected officials should be there to serve all the people and not their own party’s agenda

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By Leefeller, June 2, 2007 at 10:42 pm Link to this comment

ardee, great post and I agree with most of your points. 

I do have a problem when you say “our nation is comprised of people undereducated and unaware of the greatness of our founders work is moot”, why mention it if it is moot?  Especially when you continue with “much of what is posted here would certainly validate that claim.” ?

It is possible you speak of me when you mention undereducated.  Assuming the definition to mean someone less educated than yourself.  Pomposity, preformed by Ritter calling us idiots and chastising us on our ignorance, is a good way to lose an audience.  Your comments seem similar. 

Much of what is posted on this site, shows a common concern for the plight of our nation undereducated or not.  It is my impression that we agree on all points except on our perceptions of fellow posters.

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By Tony Wicher, June 2, 2007 at 10:17 pm Link to this comment

For months I have been going around saying that nothing less than impeachment and conviction for crimes of state would constitute repudiation by the American people of the Bush administration and all that it stands for, especially imperialism, which is the dark side of America. What could be a stronger repudiation than throwing the President, Vice President and other top Bush administration officials in jail for a good long time, where they can serve the useful function of reminding the country how low it sank and must never again?

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By Christian, June 2, 2007 at 8:42 pm Link to this comment
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I spoke with someone who attended the graduation ceremony at West Point where Dick Cheney gave the commencement speech. Cheney then stood on stage and shook hands with each of the 1000 graduates: wait, make that 999. Because one courageous and principled cadet faced Cheney, looked him up and down, decided not to offer his hand and walked on. Cheney was visibly taken aback, and turned to glare after the parting cadet.

A West Point cadet is the epitome of honor, duty and respect. That this graduate was willing to show the assembled gathering that he would not deign to honor this dishonorable Vice President with a handshake should have sent tremors of excitement through the crowd. This is probably the first time in six years that anyone has had the temerity and honesty to face down the man whom we could arguably call the Big Evil. Cheney should be getting this treatment from every person he encounters, as should Bush, Gonzales, Rice and the rest of this renegade administration. Of course, these corrupted leaders have insulated themselves from almost any contact with the general public, to the extent of even blocking off the side streets as their armored motorcades take them from home to work. If they were regularly exposed to common Americans they would discover that there are many who would dare to tell them that this emperor has no clothes.

This dovetails beautifully with a recent call by Scott Ritter for Americans to “repudiate.” this administration and its policies. Unfortunately, Ritter feels compelled to preface his call with an imperfect and misleading understanding of impeachment efforts, leading him to dismiss the idea and call for repudiation instead. However, repudiation, as explained by Ritter, is more of a concept than a plan for action. How exactly do we go about it and how does it have an effect? The point he misses is that impeachment, a formalized and proscribed Constitutional method to curb executive abuse, is the perfect complement and comrade to whatever “repudiations” that we can muster.
 
Very few of us will be given such a golden opportunity, as was this cadet to repudiate this administration. But we now need to ask ourselves, what do we have available? How can we take a stand every day in every act we take that says, No More Business as Usual? How can we turn our everyday acts into statements of defiance and patriotic dissent? We need to start to look at the connections behind every transaction or exchange that we make. We need to explain to every clerk who takes our money that we are sliding into early stages of fascism and they need to be worried. We need to figure out how to disrupt business as usual in our own neighborhoods. It is likely that any disruptions of business or blockading streets, flash mobbing town council meetings etc. will inconvenience and even anger some folks who are not directly responsible for the current occupation and erosion of rights. But at this point in the game, that will be a necessary cost of dissent. We need everybody to be angry. If they have to start by being angry at us for bringing this to their attention in an uncomfortable way, so be it. As they see how widespread our discontent is, and they understand how many of us are only going to escalate the disruptions, annoyances and inconveniences, they will start to understand the reasons behind our actions.
 
The next time that you say to yourself that this isn’t the time to mention the occupation or constitutional crimes because it’s not the right setting, know that you are fooling yourself. From today onward, there is no place where loud dissent is inappropriate. We need to make ourselves ungovernable, pure and simple. Let the bravery of one West Point cadet be your inspiration to take this struggle out of your heart and put in on the table front and center wherever you may be.

—Dan Dewalt, Newfane, Vermont

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By ardee, June 2, 2007 at 6:28 pm Link to this comment

” A drab of state, a cloth-o-silver slut, to have her train bore up, and her soul trail in the dirt.”
Thomas Middleton as quoted by Henry David Thoreau in Civil Disobediance.

I believe those that have not read this short essay, or read it long ago, should certainly read it now. I found this article to be worthy indeed of my respect for Mr. Ritter and his important work. I might quibble with his conclusions in a small way here and there and would commend Mr. Goldman’s post #74795 as well.

I do believe that impeachment should be undertaken, and include both Cheney and Bush in the indictments, if only as a deterrent to future would be despoilers of our Constitution.

That our nation is comprised of people undereducated and unaware of the greatness of our founders work is moot, I will not try to argue this point. Merely reading much of what is posted here would certainly validate that claim. “Government must be administered by men, and men are not angels.” Those words of James Madison make it clear that he foresaw a necesity arising wherein we would be governed by unjust leadership and would needs make changes. These are such times.

“Who will show me any constitutional injunction which
make it the duty of the American people to surrender everything valuable in life, and even life itself, whenever the purposes of an ambitious and mischevious government may require it?” Daniel Webster, addressing the House 12/9/1814. Today we again have such a governance as Webster railed against with such eloquence. That we the people are as ignorant or unconcerned or abrogated our responsibilities as Ritter believes ( and with which sentiment I do concur, grudgingly)is not relevent to the point of impeachment. We need to save us from ourselves.

We are in the midst, in my opinion, of a revolution, one that has been ongoing since the swearing in of Ronald Wilson Reagan. One abetted by the slumber of our electorate who, sated with a bloated lifestyle, satisfied with cheap and shoddy toys for which we live a lifetime in debt ,sees us very nervous about rocking any boats. We have allowed ourselves to be quietly evicted from the decision making process, bribed and discarded. Our education systems are subverted and now produce , in large part, people unable to think critically, fit only for fast food employment. Our Free Press, once the very symbol of our great nation is long ago gone to rags that placate the advertisers and produce no insights or editorials only the exploits of Britney or Paris.

Even our elections have become suspect if not subverted as well. I say that , regardless of what is to follow, regardless of how little we deserve the salvation of impeachment it must be pursued.

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By Lee, June 2, 2007 at 3:33 pm Link to this comment
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Wonder if similar discussions were occurring before the storming of the Bastille and implementation of the guillotine. Hopefully our coming revolution or re-revolution goes better. Measured action is preferable but the desire to lop off heads is completely understandable. Since impeachment spills no blood, it’s probably a better outlet for our frustration. But where will the impeachments end? Dumping George and leaving Dick wouldn’t accomplish much. And if we impeached everyone who voted to charge into Iraq, only a handful would be left standing. That sounds like anarchy and not all bad.

What’s going on now and what’s gone on for a long time is an acceptance of injustice by most all of us. An example is the fact that certain persons are able to break laws resulting in tremendous damage to society and remain free of punishment. While certain others caught with a fistful of innocuous herb, lose all their liberties and pursuit of happiness. We know this is wrong, but mostly condone it as normal or look the other way. When we allow a crook to get off because it’s expedient, while allowing an innocent to be imprisoned because “it’s not us” going to jail, we all become participants in the dismantling of justice.

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By Toby, June 2, 2007 at 2:43 pm Link to this comment
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911truthdotorg (#74844) wants to know -

“Just curious -

In the thread picture, is bush showing us the size of his brain or another part of his anatomy?

Inquiring minds want to know.”


Then you will be happy to hear it is neither.
Microscopic matter doesn’t register on his camera.
Bush is explaining the itsy bitsy teeny weenie lie he told in March 2003.

Important we realize a little white lie(ing) doesn’t count.

He knows cause Gonzales told him so.

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By 911truthdotorg, June 2, 2007 at 1:32 pm Link to this comment

Just curious -

In the thread picture, is bush showing us the size of his brain or another part of his anatomy?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Google videos: 9/11 Press for Truth, Loose Change 2nd Edition

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By Nitro, June 2, 2007 at 1:01 pm Link to this comment

TAO, Chasing the mirage of revenge through you is no intention. However, the process is ever so tempting while wiping blood from our hands of loved ones and the constant cry of the elders in my ears is ever a Walk I wish I could stray from.

And you are right my old Heathen friend, to walk the whole Way is altogether something else. I often succeed with Talking of the Walk of the Way, only after Walking the best path I can.

And One GreatGrandMother, was right! I spoke as I saw my old Heathen friend. The Old Woman that’s f’r damn sure. Is she? Doubt not within your own strength and wisdom… And that, I’m f’r damn sure! The sea changes colour, but the sea, it does not change…

So, wild child now old, let them regret. The “peckings” were a True Sign from the knowledge of the Spider’s Web, in her dream,and now, the wasichus’ will Reap. Lift yourself to the Rock of the Angels and stay removed and immune to the gnawing and the gnashing, till the bones have been removed.

And those too kind in their estimations… are they? Modesty is often an advantage worth having. So far removed from the winds of confusion, one can see the traps and pitfalls on the Walk.

Tell Her… And once again I say to you my old Savage Heathen friend, the knowledge is in the fire… In the song of the grass you will hear!

And Billy(74624)don’t give up on enlightenment and love… One’s limitations are only limited to their own minds. “Learn” from yesterday, but more importantly, “Learn” for tomorrow!

And Mark A. Goldman (74631) I am glad to hear your words, for they seem words of wisdom as well. I am also glad to know of the existance of other gray beings.

To All, A Better Day…

HokeHey !!!

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By Skruff, June 2, 2007 at 12:59 pm Link to this comment
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“For we are all to blame”

It is the above phrase which prevents me from being a “liberal”

It is not “our fault” any more than being robbed, assaulted, or raped is the victim’s fault. 

We hire surrogates to conduct our business, if they run it badly, steal, or conduct business in a way we have directed against.

We sent a clear message to our employees in the last election. They failed to do as told, so rightly someone should be fired.  My choice would be the person or people who directed this criminal course.

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By Mark A. Goldman, June 2, 2007 at 12:05 pm Link to this comment

Stephen, I think you’ve picked the right model and asked the right question.  It all begins with the recognition that it’s exactly what’s wanted and needed.  And this puts us back to square one.  How do we change the consciousness in such a way that average folks recognize the problem and see the need?  It requires individual responsibility that’s contageous enough to spread throughout the republic.

http://www.gpln.com/protect.htm

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By GW=MCHammered, June 2, 2007 at 11:20 am Link to this comment
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Those MFers!
(Money Funnelers)

Anyone remember when servants of the public, education and business leaders took pride in promoting and maintaining the American Ladder of Success? That ladder’s been turned upside down by fundamentalist MFers! And now those grabby MFers have us locked in a race to the bottom with their:

! Undermined business practices allowing illegal labor, pension theft and job exportation
(competitive free markets, my keister, you sovereignless MFers!)

!! Inflated prices and frozen wages on the low and middle class
(so corpocracy can really cash-in by loaning workers their wages, B$ MFers!)

!!! Pretending to do something about Mortgage/Education Predatory Lenders
(when it was Congress that loosened the rules, sellout MFers!)

!!!! Unleashed, ruinous for-profit War Machine
(costing dollars, lives and freedom all on pretense like Ike warned, blasted surging MFers!)

!!!!! Perpetuating the rabid Health Care/Prescription Meds malady
(wasting hard-earned dollars and precious lives, the squandermania MFers!)

!!!!!! Upholding their Open Border/Drug War debacle
(dollars for security agencies crock, $trung-out MFers!)

!!!!!!! Self-Important Celeberityism
(campaigning instead of doing the people’s work, avaricious MFers!)

Disappointed? Aren’t you WAY beyond disappointment with these greedy, self-indulgent MFers? Help take your country back from monopolistic Money Funnelers by joining http://www.unity08.com and endorse an uncommon movement toward real competition in politics.

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By Stephen Smoliar, June 2, 2007 at 10:53 am Link to this comment

I think that Mark Goldman (#74795) has homed in on an appropriate construal of the noun “repudiation;”  but that interpretation raises a potential paradox.  How does such repudiation take place?  In South Africa the “Truth and Reconciliation Commission” was formed under governmental authority.  In Rwanada, on the other hand, such review and reconciliation is taking place at a grass roots level.  My guess is that South Africa would provide the more appropriate model for us;  but, whichever model is the one that works, how will it be brought into action?

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By SGB H, June 2, 2007 at 9:56 am Link to this comment
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If the impeachments were successful, and extended to Congress itself, would anyone notice that the Supreme Court has done little or nothing about any of this - except put the President in position in the first place?

The Constitutional challenge we face predates the constitution! National Security will always trump the public’s right to know.

The focus of our efforts should be on electing honest Senators and Representatives. They hold the power and the purse.

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By Mark A. Goldman, June 2, 2007 at 9:28 am Link to this comment

In once sense Scott Ritter is correct.  He didn’t really say this, but I think what he meant to say, or at least would agree with, is this: 

the reason that impeachment is inappropriate now is because as a people we have been complacent and neglectful to the point of now being complicit.  And so to impeach Bush and Cheney would be incomplete and in this sense unjust.  They would only be scape-goats.  For we are all to blame for the crimes and the treason committed.  For now we can see that they have actually represented us all along.  If they hadn’t we would have stopped them a long time ago.  Our half-hearted complaints do not obsolve us from responsibility.  And so what is necessary for us to do is not to impeach but to take responsibility for our crimes.  And this means to acknowledge what was done, to tell the whole truth about what has happened and what part we played in it and to demonstrate that we understand where we failed… and then to recommit ourselves to the ideals we left behind.  What is needed is a complete telling of the truth so that everyone in our society understands what crimes were committed and what values were sacrificed.  So, in fact, impeachment is not enough.  We have lost our moral compass and our moral authority and the only way to get them back is to demonstrate to the world… to our children… and to ourselves, that we understand what has happened, we know where we went wrong, and we know what we need to do to redeem ourselves.  We need to tell the truth.  And we need to make amends.

http://www.gpln.com

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By Tom Doff, June 2, 2007 at 8:36 am Link to this comment
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Scott, after this dissertation on ‘Repudiation, Not Impeachment’, you’re going to be faced with a new question every time you appear in public:

‘Are you insane?’

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By Mark A. Goldman, June 2, 2007 at 7:46 am Link to this comment
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In once sense Scott Ritter is correct.  He didn’t really say this, but I think it’s what he meant is this:  the reason that impeachment is inappropriate now is because as a people we have—after all this time, this complacency, and neglect—become complicit.  And so to impeach Bush and Cheney would be incomplete and in a way unjust.  They would only be scape-goats.  For we are all to blame.  For in the end we see that they have actually represented us.  If they hadn’t we would have stopped them a long time ago.  Our half-hearted complaints do not obsolve us from responsibility.  And so what is necessary for us to do is not to impeach but to take responsibility for our crimes.  And this means to acknowledge what was done, to tell the whole truth about what has happened and what part we played in it and to demonstrate that we understand where we failed… and then to recommit ourselves to the ideals we left behind.  What is needed is a complete telling of the truth so that everyone in our society understands what crimes were committed and what values were sacrificed.  So, in fact, impeachment is not enough.  We have lost our moral authority and the only way to get it back is to demonstrate to the world, to our children, and to ourselves, that we understand what has happened, we know where we went wrong, and we know what we need to do to redeem ourselves.  We need to tell the truth.

http://www.gpln.com

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By cyrena, June 2, 2007 at 6:32 am Link to this comment

I’m not sure if any of you might remember, but Cynthia McKinney, (former Congresswoman from Georgia) did in fact submit articles of impeachment into the record just before she was smeared out of the Congress. Just before the close of the last Congress.

At the time, the main-stream media barely mentioned it, and when they did, it was only to refer to it as some sort of “symbolic” gesture before her departure, having been so badly smeared by the Mob and it’s FOX/CNN/Bloomberg Machine. Nancy Pelosi didn’t help. Made it worse actually, effectively beating her down.

But, I said all of that to say that this impeachment has ALWAYS been the most effective and efficient answer, at least as long as both cheney and bush could be impeached as a duo, because cheney is the force of the puppet that george is. And so it troubles me to have been listening to people make the same excuses for over 3 years now, for why impeachment wouldn’t work. If nothing else, it would STOP the DESTRUCTION. If we’d done this years ago, we wouldn’t HAVE our Constitution in tatters, and there wouldn’t BE all of these dead troops and dead civilians, and torture, and the trillions of dollars washed through the sands of Iraq with all of the blood.

Now, this is NOT a complicated process. Like I said, at least one representative put this on the record last year. Since then, activists have suceeded in passing similar individual state legislation addressing the same. 11 states have so far done this. But, it doesn’t even need all of that!!! The paperwork is DONE. It’s not gonna hold up any other “legitimate” business in Congress, and this is more important than anything.

I can appreciate Scott’s frustration with us, because in fact we are a largely intellectually lazy society, for whatever the reasons, and that’s become more and more the case in the past few decades. What can I say? But, we aren’t ALL in the rabbit hole, and the process of impeachment needs to happen for the record. We need it as a nation, if we are really going to repudiate all of this horror, and try to get back to any semblence of what we thought we were about in the first place.

That can’t happen while the house is still burning, or the plane is in free fall. Impeach the bastards NOW, which will stop the on-going damage, and then we can get to all of this repudiation that we obviously have to accomplish as well.

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By Skruff, June 2, 2007 at 5:54 am Link to this comment
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74702 by sstandctr on 6/01 at 7:27 pm

“Have any of you used the legal system recently? I have had three different issues running and the system no longer works.”

Ben Franklin said:

“He who would trade his freedom for a little security deserves neither freedom nor security”

Our society (before Bush) has been headed this way for awhile. We allow the government to attempt to change(through the tax laws)our legal behavior.

They have co-opted our personal relationships with the businesses we use, They allow corporations to break contracts unilaterally, and the States and Federal government make laws telling us to wear seat-belts, bicycle helmets, and telling us where our children can sit in Automobiles.

The great historic example is mandatory education, undertaken by the government in the face of overwhelming resistance by the citizens.

....and the result?

In Massachusetts the State guard was called out to enforce mandatory education. they went from house to house rounding up children under force of arms, and taking them through shouting, pitchfork weilding crowds, to school.

Massachusetts before mandatory education had a 97% rate of literacy among its population, after mandatory education the Commonwealth never again, through this day, achieved a literacy rate greater than 90%

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By Bill Peltz, June 2, 2007 at 12:12 am Link to this comment
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Scott Ritter’s list of repudiations is incomplete.

Corporate personhood is a key link in the system of abuses he so rightly condemns. It’s a concept with a shaky legal foundation.

So — Repudiate corporate personhood.

And let’s impeach, too.

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By Robert Hutwohl, June 1, 2007 at 10:32 pm Link to this comment

I think the Bush administration and others want to see how far they can push the American people into accepting defeat. Not me! I will never go down with these slime bags.

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By sstandctr, June 1, 2007 at 8:27 pm Link to this comment
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Have any of you used the legal system recently? I have had three different issues running and the system no longer works. I have even have the U.S. department of Justice tell another U.S. department that they are wrong. Their answer was we don’t have to abide by your decision, we can do what ever we want. I think it’s already too late. The American people have waited too long and the Constitution has turned into nothing but a piece of paper. I see it in our state and I see it in our local government. Over the last couple of years we have tried to change our whole council and we are making no head way. Our City manager is finally out next month, maybe my opinion will change.

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By Mark A. Goldman, June 1, 2007 at 4:23 pm Link to this comment
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The way to repudiate Bush and all he stands for is to vote only for people who are worthy of our vote.  It really is as simple as that.  But who is willing to do that when we are so afraid our vote will be ‘wasted?’  And so we follow like lemmings the crowd who never wastes their vote but never votes for what they want.  And so we continue to lose by winning because we too afraid to see if we can win by losing.

http://www.gpln.com/winbylosing.htm

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By Pacrat, June 1, 2007 at 4:14 pm Link to this comment
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What are the legal ramifications of repudiation? Impeachment is a legal process, but is repudiation? I am not knocking the idea - the president has merited the repudiation of Americans. But impeachement seems the legal and acceptable way to go.

Not the republican ridiculous impeachment of Clinton and harassment during this entire term.We were treated then to rather juvenile preaching and rhetoric, but serious constitutional argumentation.

Who can deny that he did something supremely stupid! I am always aware of the bumper sticker “When Clinton lied, no one died.”

This administration has worked hard and methodically to destroy our country’s foundation by spitting on the constitution, the Geneva Conventions, the rights of sovereign nations, and refusing to listen to the generals on the ground. Any disagreement - and they are out!

Yes, something must be done to bring this country back into balance - but let’s not throw out the laws to save the laws!

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By Skruff, June 1, 2007 at 3:23 pm Link to this comment
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Same self serving argument from the “intelectully elite.”  Spare me any more spineless bullshit. 

Impeach him, and then follow up with a case that because he was a crook, none of the actiona he took while president were valid or legal. Sort of a political RICO provision. 

Dump his appointments for the Supreme court, his vision of prisoners without rights, his illegal alien amnstey, and his snowmobile in the Parks…

He was a bum…too bad we’re so civilized we don’t tar&feather; anymore.

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By Toby, June 1, 2007 at 3:13 pm Link to this comment
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We are told Karl Rove is Bushes brain.
We are told Cheney makes the decisions he allows Bush as the decider to repeat.
We are told Rumsfeld was responsible for the disastrous consequence we see in Iraq.
We are told and told and told.

Meanwhile, we all refuse to see.
A liar can not lie if no one is there to listen.
A decision maker can not make decisions if he is not privy to the deciders sought after goal.
A man who loves violence, but does not do his own, can not satisfy his violence if he’s not given the use of those who carry the weapons.

We laugh at Bush.
We make jokes about him and his administration.
We need to laugh, so we don’t have to blame.

Why are we so afraid to demand accountability?
We don’t need to repudiate.
We need to grow some balls!

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By Mark A. Goldman, June 1, 2007 at 3:09 pm Link to this comment
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Dear TAO Walker,

I do respect your wisdom, dear friend, but in all honesty the most profound wisdom that has come from the lips of your greatest leaders are not any more accepted by the majority of your own people than the best wisdom produced by White Men is accepted by all White Men.  In the end, it is up to each of us as individuals who want to stand in alignment with the Great Spirit to stand in alignment with the Great Spirit.  It is a deeply personal path we walk.  And in this I say, I am not a Red, White, Yellow, Black, or Brown man.  I am simply a man and all men are my brothers.  We cannot change anyone but ourselves.  I say, justice is justice and love is love.  I hope to live and be both.  And in that I will not wait for things to collapse around me, for around me they will not collapse, nor will they around you as far as I can tell.  And that is how it is.

http://www.gpln.com/messagefromtanzania.htm

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By TAO Walker, June 1, 2007 at 2:26 pm Link to this comment

Those here who would continue trying to use the Constitution in an effort to salvage what is left of the Constitution (and the wreckage of the republic for which it was the framework) are obviously sincere, and this old Indian wouldn’t suggest they do anything but give that their “best shot.”  That may well be the exercise which will make clear to them, finally, the sheer magnitude and utter ruthlessness of the forces arrayed against not just their hopes, but their very lives.

Others here, who acknowledge the hard and (for them) painful truth of america’s terminal condition, seem ready to try some other Way.  Tom Doff, for example, (#74420) is already looking beyond the imminent “train-wreck,” and seems to “second” Tigress Dem’s suggestion (#74381) of returning what remains of “public” lands to the peoples who know how to live as human beings upon them.  Both probably at least sense intuitively that such an act could herald the kind of “sea-change” in american attitudes and behavior that these times and circumstances demand, and that other commentors here have also called-for in obviously heart-felt words.

Verne Arnold (#74463) is again much too kind in his estimate of this old Savage’s “smarts” (The Old Woman says, “That’s f’r damn sure.”).  Most of what appears here under the TAO Walker “by-line” (and probably ALL that anybody has found worthwhile) is what has been given to this person by others wiser and better-spoken.  One GreatGrandMother said the reason they let the BIA kidnap this person as a boy, and put him in the government schools, was so someday those wasichus would come to regret teaching such a wild child how to read and write.

Who knows if a few “peckings” in cyberspace, some “messages in a bottle,” are anywhere near enough to satisfy her prediction?  It does, though, seem like the ears of more and more of our sisters and brothers who’re “....stuck inside a mobile….,” are open to the things us Indians have been saving for them, through thick and thin, for many Winters now.  That’s gotta be good.

Nitro (#74563) is too hasty in concluding that this other old Heathen Savage doesn’t credit his vision.  It’s only that it’s one thing to get a good clear look at where we have to go, but something else altogether to walk the whole Way there.  His friend here hopes he won’t get side-tracked chasing the mirage of “revenge.” 

The greatness of the Natural Law is that it’s self-enforcing.  Us free wild peoples have much better things to DO, because we ARE much better, than to waste our precious attention on dishing-out some pale approximation of the natural justice that is in-store for those who’ve willfully tried to lay-off what’s coming to their own selves onto us….and even onto their own future generations.  Theirs has always been a damned fools’ bet, and now they’re getting its inevitable pay-off.

HokaHey!

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By Mark A. Goldman, June 1, 2007 at 2:22 pm Link to this comment
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No elected official so far as even proposed articles of impeachment that cover the full range of this administration’s crimes and misdemeanors.  And it is only our elected officials who seem not to notice that high crimes and misdemeanors have been committed.  Impeachment would be a first indicator that Bush and Co. crimes and offenses are being repudiated by The People.  Yet so far, I see little enthusiasm among past or present representatives to preserve and protect our Constitution.  Most of those who even mention the word impeachment make a pretty weak case of why it is imperitive.

http://www.gpln.com/halfheartedattempts.htm

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By Stupidicus, June 1, 2007 at 2:18 pm Link to this comment
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All Ritter did here was attempt to place the onus on the ignorant public—- like they don’t elect leaders because of their real and/or percieved expertise on such matters. What will be the next constitutional issue be, that the ignorant public has no business involving itself in? Can the Roe supporter support it legitimately, while not having a complete and thorough understanding of the constitutionally based reasonings behind that SCOTUS decision?

It’s like Scotty is the grandmaster scolding some kibitzer for suggesting that mate is obviously—even to the bare novice, just one move away.

Does one need such a high level of expertise, to understand that the king is about to, and should fall?

Yep, it takes a genius or constitutional scholar status, to know that lying us into an illegal war of aggression, and use of torture as a couple of many examples—- that we hanged how many over about the same 70 years ago—warrants impeachment.

The danger we the people face from ourselves is the healthy condition of American Exceptionalism, and the apparent expansion of Manifest Destiny beyond our shores.

There would be no better object lesson to illustrate the existence and wrongness of both, than to make an example of the one primarily responsible.

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By unimpressed, June 1, 2007 at 1:53 pm Link to this comment
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Great article, Mr. Ritter.  However, one obvious point you miss—one so obvious I cannot help but question your motives for writing it.

Repudiation must begin with a thorough and public airing of the wrongs we are repudiating.  There’s a term for that; it’s called “impeachment proceedings.”

You, however, are asking that the American public first become perfect somehow before we follow the only remedy available to us to deal with the immediate problem at hand?  What is your motive?  This is just giving Bush a free ride and placing the blame on us.

Frankly I’m not amused and not a little bit insulted.

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By Elliott Moore, June 1, 2007 at 11:49 am Link to this comment
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Black’s Law Dictionary 3rd Ed. defines impeachment as:
“To accuse…To proceed against a public officer for
crime or malfeasance, before a proper court by the
presentation of a written accusation called “articles
of impeachment”.

Impeachment is an inquiry into possible guilt, NOT A
FINDING of guilt. The difference here is significant
and not apparent in Ritter’s article which seems to
define impeachment as FINDING of guilt.

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By Nitro, June 1, 2007 at 11:24 am Link to this comment

Billy the Dik ! Help me out here my friend ! I’ve been trying to get TAO to run for President or council leader, or New Tribal Chief, or whatever you want to put on him for whatever purposes needed if needed.

I’ve found him to be a Wise old Heathen Savage, and I love to read his comments. This old Heathen Savage saw his coming in a vision, but he refuses to take my word for it.

If we really want to send a message, and heal within as a country full of beautiful people, after we make sure to keep our own integrity and self asteem, we make sure as a people of One Big Great Tribe, to let those know who are responsible… You will be held accountable!

Besides my friends, as to send another Ironic message to the Hill, everyone keeps contemplating a woman for president, I would rather see a Native… become our New Tribal Leader. One whose words, if you listen with your hearts, speak true justice and words of Iron Will, true from the heart.

And isn’t that what Tigress Dem, and all the wonderful commentors at this site are crying out for? Someone with words of Truth and Wisdom and an actual caring concern for all the peoples of this nation. But as well as important, this Land that really belongs to the Great Spirit. Indian Land? Great Spirit Land we all, were entrusted to care for.

So look within my friends, let not the actions of those with no honor, no truth, no committment in their hearts ruin the colour within those who I know, could overcome this awful plague that runs from within. Let it not infect us with the same results as they suffer from, lest we end up with the same sores…

Besides, my life long affliction of being colour blind makes everyone grey to me, yet aren’t we all pink inside that bleed red blood?

TAO, TAO, TAO, my friend in the wind of the spiders web of knowledge… I tried to tell you. You know the tiyoshpaye way, I, the way of the Ancient One’s. And from the Rock of Angels in the Land of Enchantment, I saw you coming, as Grand Father saw me as well.

A message for you my friend…

In the High Plains Desert, in the middle of no where, far from Turtle Island, there are flowers blooming in the Valley my friend… A Sign of the Valley of Tomorrow? You should know.

When is the last time you sat in front of the fire of knowledge and listened to the wind blow in the grass and sing it’s song? Listen to the hearts and spirits of the ones before us cry out as well. The Spirit Warriors await their ride… We are not the first ones to have a difficulty in the walk of life, the Song “n” Dance of living in the valley.

Take the best of the best, and make it the best of the best. Isn’t that the way which ever way you follow, to make what was originally intended finally manifest?

Before another moon passes, I sing to see you in the walk of life my friend.

To a Better Day…

HokeHey !

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By JimBoB, June 1, 2007 at 10:55 am Link to this comment
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The strengthening of the unitary executive is predicated on a weakening of the other two branches, most notably the congress.  How do we get a strong congress?  How do we attract the smartest, most committed and far-sighted men and women to politics?  It’s a depressing prospect.  The constant need to raise money; to present oneself as a “person of faith,” who never toked a joint or failed to pay parking tickets; to have one’s every utterance parsed for potential partisan fodder; to be in a profession where one is deemed to be crooked and venal until proven otherwise and perhaps not even then; the list goes on.  Why would a young person with a strong legal education want to forego a good job in the private sector for all that crap?  So, we get movie stars and exterminators, Ted Stevens and Jim De Mint.  Depressing indeed, and not much of a bulwark against fascistic administrations.

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