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Watergate Without the Break-In

Posted on May 16, 2007

By Marie Cocco

WASHINGTON—It is time to stop referring to the “fired U.S attorneys scandal” by that misnomer, and call it what it is: a White House-coordinated effort to use the vast powers of the Justice Department to swing elections to Republicans.

    This is no botched personnel switch. It is not even a political spat between the fired U.S. attorneys and Bush administration officials who deemed some of them insufficiently zealous in promoting the department’s law enforcement priorities. Connect the dots and you see an insidious effort to corrupt the American electoral system. It’s Watergate without the break-in or the bagmen.

    The emerging picture is one in which widespread Republican claims of “voter fraud”—unsubstantiated in virtually every case examined closely by law enforcement officials, local journalists, state elections officials and academics—were used to stymie Democratic-leaning voter registration groups and create a taint around Democrats. The Justice Department’s own statistics show that only a handful of people were convicted of voting illegally since it began a “voter integrity” initiative in 2002. Its top election crimes official, a career prosecutor, has told the U.S. Election Assistance Commission that the proportion of “legitimate to illegitimate claims of fraud” hasn’t changed.

    The “voter fraud” claims that White House political adviser Karl Rove promoted before last year’s congressional elections were in battleground states such as New Mexico, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin with closely contested races. He also has complained about alleged fraud in hotly competitive states such as Washington, Florida and Missouri. Curiously, states where elections often are decided by wide margins—New York, for instance—don’t turn up on his lists.

    According to McClatchy Newspapers, Rove pressed Justice officials about voter fraud probes in October. Complaints from Republican activists wound up in the hands of Kyle Sampson, former chief of staff to Attorney General Alberto Gonzales and a key figure in the imbroglio. Five of the 12 U.S. attorneys who were canned or targeted for removal were singled out for alleged laxity in pursuing voter-fraud prosecutions, The Washington Post has reported.

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    The Justice Department’s power to prosecute was expected to be put to use in carrying out a partisan witch hunt. Yet even this picture is incomplete.

    The shenanigans involving U.S. attorneys must be seen alongside the parallel campaign to turn the department’s voting-rights section into a rubber stamp for Republican efforts to enhance the voting power of their loyalists while diminishing that of Democrats.

    Toby Moore, a former redistricting expert in the voting rights section and now project manager for American University’s Commission on Federal Election Reform, says he believed that when the Bush administration began, ideological differences—a suspicion that liberals held too much sway—were at the root of chronic disagreements between political appointees and career lawyers. But he says he was wrong. “It now appears that what they were doing was not ideologically motivated but partisan motivated,” Moore says. “They came in 2001 with the idea of changing the rules of elections to benefit the Republican Party.”

    The voting-rights section began producing rulings that would have the effect of crimping participation by Democratic-leaning voters. The department’s backing of state photo identification laws, notably in Georgia, was one such case. Moore notes that the Georgia law, which was struck down in court, did not only burden minorities, the elderly and the disabled. It loosened rules for early and absentee voting, ballots typically used more often by the educated and affluent—and more likely to be cast by Republicans. A new fervor for forcing states to purge registration rolls of invalid names, a process that often deletes names of eligible voters, also seized the voting-rights section.

    The most vivid nexus between the “U.S. attorneys scandal” and the subjugation of the voting-rights section to partisan pursuits comes in Missouri, where the abrupt resignation of U.S. Attorney Todd Graves in March 2006 was followed quickly by the interim appointment of Bradley Schlozman, who’d helped to recast the voting rights section in the Bush administration’s image. Schlozman soon announced indictments of four workers for a liberal voter-registration group—the group itself had brought evidence of suspicious activity to the authorities. He did so just before November’s election.

    No set of coincidences could possibly result in this pattern. It suggests a scheme to use the levers of government to shape the pool of voters in favor of the ruling party. In a fledgling democracy, we would consider this shocking corruption. The chilling truth is that it can happen here—and apparently it did.   

    Marie Cocco’s e-mail address is mariecocco(at symbol)washpost.com.   

    © 2007, Washington Post Writers Group

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By Tony Wicher, May 22, 2007 at 8:35 pm Link to this comment

Re #71460 by JNagarya on 5/21 at 10:36 am

The difference between the rule of law and politics is crucial. If this were a matter of politics, we should wait until November 2008. But this administration has committed the gravest crimes of state. The upholding of Constitutional law is a matter of evidence and investigation and due process. Investigation takes time. Due process takes time. 

Do Democrats have any political motives that would prevent the investigation from going all the way to impeachment and conviction? I suppose it depends on how dirty the Democrats are, how much they have to cover up. We shall see. But you would think that they would relish the opportunity, after what the Republicans did to Clinton. They get their revenge by doing the right thing. It’s a God-given opportunity. How can they resist? 

I don’t see any point in a third party. Hey, we Democrats are a big tent party. Communists welcome. No use sitting out there in a phone booth all by yourselves. But the idea of a Kucinich-Paul bipartisan national peace ticket appeals to me.

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By LondonInNY, May 21, 2007 at 5:14 pm Link to this comment

Ernest Canning—-I agree. We disagree over semantics perhaps.  My frustration is with with my fellow American Citizens who have become too easily duped by propaganda. I personally am aware of all the sites that you refer to and have gotten very interested in reading much of the alternative media in this country and outside of it over the last few years. I no longer look at the Nightly News as anything other than infotainment.  While the reality is that alot of Americans are not dumb per se, the bombardment of propaganda has programmed the electorate. We have become far less intellectually curious than we should be. The Propaganda Matrix, and not just The “Faux News” Network creates a ruberic whereby Americans are put on one side or another. And I have seen how far too many people actually believe that Neo-con henchmen like William Kristol, Bill O’Reilly and Sean Hannity are perceived to be legitimate journalists, rather than what they are, Murdoch’s disinformation machinists.

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By cann4ing, May 21, 2007 at 4:38 pm Link to this comment

Re comment #41714 by LondonInNY.  The only area in which you and I disagree is in your assessment that the American people are “dumb.”  I think there is a vast swath of the population which is either uninformed, or worse, misinformed due to the fact that whenever they turn on what they perceive to be the “nighly news,” they are bombarded by propaganda.

During the Danny Schechter documentary, “Weapons of Mass Deception,” Paul Krugman observed, “You ask why do the Europeans see things so differently, well, one answer is…they don’t have…‘Countdown iraq,’ SHOWDOWN IRAQ,’ Target Iraq’ on their screens nonstop.”

While comedians like John Stewart and Bill Mayer are actually better sources of information than any of the pundits, the best source of detailed information is Democracy Now! available at Democracy Now.org.  If you haven’t already done so, I would encourage you to pull-up their Monday-Friday broadcasts—you can go into their archives as well.  (It can also be linked at this web site).

I concur with JNagarya’s statement that we can’t just be talking amongst ourselves.  (By the way, J, your “best government money can buy” tracks the title of a book by investigative reporter, Greg Palast, “The Best Democracy Money Can Buy.”)  But be warned, there is a level of responsibility that will accompany your discovery of the treasure trove of knowledge available at Democracy Now!  You can’t keep it to yourself.  You should then do what I am doing—encouraging everyone you come into contact with to tune into Democracy Now!

The answer to our present malaise lies within the Latin phrase, Scienter est Potentia (knowledge is power).  The best defense against tyranny lies within an informed citizenry.

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By Leefeller, May 21, 2007 at 4:31 pm Link to this comment

#71460 by JNagarya on 5/21 at 10:36 am Actually you should know that I respect your knowledge of the Rule of Law I have read some of your other posts and find them informative. .  My point is you should respect the opinions of other posters even if you disagree with them or they seem elementary to you. 

It would be much more effective and positive if you mentored instead of insulated people that you find unknowing of your knowledge.
Actually your insults to me did not make any impression except that I am flattered you read my post, however I really did not focus on your points.  Most of us here have a lot to learn about the rule of law, in fact I am worried about the way things are going.

Your comments about my experinece and me are uninformed and inaccurate. 

As an artist, I would never insult an other artists work even if I did not like it. 

My point JNagarya, insulting people by name calling will never get you a positive results.
To me your sincerity. may be questionable. 
Your seem to use the same approach as the Republicans when you disagree with someone. you Insult and belittle the messenger and then drive home your opinion or your point or opinion. 

JNagaryua, I believe you have much to offer us. Those of us that may be unknowlegable on the Rule of Law, please do it in a positive light.  JNagaryus convince me, do not insult me. 

PS. I love Mark Twain and have some of his works in my library and please accept my apologize for suggesting that you are the Dear Abby of Truth Dig.

If you move over to the Hillary site,  you will see many posters that agree with my opinions but, without my form of rhetoric posted in my original twit post. I had to work hard not post any rhetoric on this post, because I love to write. I have stated before my opinions are in flux.

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By rowdy, May 21, 2007 at 12:55 pm Link to this comment

give it a rest people. we all got screwed in the ass. the infectious cum will be dripping for years. all you can do is hope for a cure somewhere down the road.

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By LondonInNY, May 21, 2007 at 12:41 pm Link to this comment

To “Ernest Canning” I asked that question rhetorically but your answer is most welcome and enlightening. The only thing that frustrates and saddens me is that the intellectual energy on this board is not reflected more widely in the general population. John Stewart and the Huffington Post only scratch the surface. My fellow Americans are so numb, consumed with surviving, holding on to our jobs, saving a few pennies for retirement and not otherwise rocking the boat, that we repeately fall prey to politicians who are all too happy to keep raping us with the complicity of the Corporate Media. Democracy is dying, breathing its last gasp and yet still their is a wide swath of America that sees Truth, Justice and the American Way as the enemy. Empty suits like Mitt Romney are viewed as fresh faced saviors. BUT,can we as Americans handle the truth? Even when the messengers of truth are not as pretty and well coifed and thus do not get the media attention that they deserve. As Americans we really need to look in the mirror and see the parallels with this and other fascist regimes in history. We need to recognize that folks like Dennis Kucinich, Ron Paul, David Ray Griffin, Michael Ruppert and others are HEROES for at least challenging the political orthodoxy and ruling classes in this country who do not believe in your knowing or having access to the truth. If this was a free country, Dick Cheney would be hanging from a tree with a noose around his neck and Bush would soon thereafter be headed to the gallows. The world would have been safer if Bush/Cheney faced execution for their crimes. As Jon Stewart stated to Chuck Schumer, in response to the Senator’s statement that what Gonzales did almost makes you want to gulp. “Almost gulp?!” Asked Stewart in response. What is it going to take to make you actually gulp? Do these guys have to sodomize the declaration of independence in front of you?”  A second American Revolution is necessary indeed. The Democrats are not the answer to bringing down Republican Acts of Treason, hence the false left/right paradigm in America. It is morning in America indeed.

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By JNagarya, May 21, 2007 at 11:36 am Link to this comment

“#71455 by Leefeller on 5/21 at 9:54 am
(40 comments total)

“One other poster, whom I feel has assumed the position of (Dear Abby of Truth Dig} chastised me for the following statment “We have the best government money can buy”, I happen to belive this, but can change it to read, “we have the best government that can waste money”.  I know Rhetoric, but it gets to the point.”

Twit—

Your first inadequacy is the inability to distinguish between politics, on one hand, and on the other, law.  That is the saame flaw we see in the contemporary Republican Party.  It’s all and only politics.  Everybody does it, so it’s okay for us to do it.

Your second inadequacy is the unwillingness to inform yourself not only of the applicable laws, but also beyond the fashionable but juvenile cynicism in which you pride yourself.

Your third inadequacy is the lack of guts to name names, instead of engaging in sideways sniping.

Those are sufficient to make the point that not everyone is a member of your “We’re so clever, and hipper than everyone else” choir.

I have an education in law; you do not.  And I’ll not tolerate insults from sniveling cowards such as yourself.  The cure for Bushit, et al., is compliance with and restoration of the rule of law—not instead acting exactly as do Bushit, et al.  And certainly not the constant bashing of those in a position, and of a disposition, to do that.

Instead of doing nothing but sit on your ass and bash Democrats as excuse to do nothing but that, how about learning to see beyond the surface by actually learning that not everything Congress does or is doing is ready to view, therefore any arrogantly presumptive conclusion that they aren’t doing anything is unavoidably uninformed, and false.  That would be constructive, whereas your snide sideways smears are, at most mature, juvenile, and destructive.

I read more Mark Twain during high school than you could imagine yourself doing.  I therefore know all his criticisms of gov’t—“Congress, that grand old national asylum for the helpless,” and so on.  That does not make them wholly true; nor are they to be excuses for doing nothing but sitting on one’s “superior” ass and bashing everyone in politics on the false ground that “they’re all corrupt”. 

Shit, or get off the pot.  If you want Congress to do the will of We the people, then let Congress know what that will is.  Bashing them, instead, is a waste of irreplaceable time.

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By Leefeller, May 21, 2007 at 10:54 am Link to this comment

#71444 by Ernest Canning on 5/21 at 9:08 am

Seems like we are always preaching to the choir here, but you are on the money on this one, no pun intended. 

One other poster, whom I feel has assumed the position of (Dear Abby of Truth Dig}  chastised me for the following statment “We have the best government money can buy”, I happen to belive this, but can change it to read, “we have the best government that can waste money”.  I know Rhetoric,  but it gets to the point.

Me, myself and I, now known as the uninformed twit,  really believe there are few differences between both political parties except, one seems to appeal to larger number of imbeciles. 

Only three candidates from the two parities seem to offer solutions on issues that are tearing our country apart. Paul, on the war.  Dennis Kucinich on most everything and Mike Gravel on the war and some issues.  All the others candiates seem to be in the pockets of big money or in Never Neverland.  Main stream media is shoving the pablum candidates down our throats, we need to push back. 

My rants, my rants are my rants.

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By cann4ing, May 21, 2007 at 10:08 am Link to this comment

Re LondonInNY’s query, why aren’t more Democrats getting behind Kucinich?  Answer:  The conglomerated corporate media which not only seeks to control who we elect but how we elect.  An ever shrinking number of giant corporations controls what most Americans see, hear and read.  They have a vested interest in the status quo.  There are sound financial reasons for evading meaningful electoral coverage that would actually link candidates to their positions on issues that truly matter to the vast majority of Americans—the middle and working classes.

The privatizing schemes of rampant American crony capitalism have corrupted almost every field of human endeavor, including the media and how elections are run.  By spending more time on celebrity journalism, by limiting coverage to horse-race (polling) questions concerning so-called “leading” candidates and such inane irrelevancies as the price of a candidate’s haircut, the corporate media forces candidates to spend billions on 30-second, spot ads.  Since only those candidates who sell out to the corporatocracy can raise the money necessary to purchase those spot ads, they are the only candidates the corporate media decides are worthy of our attention.  Indeed, the sums raised by a candidate is one of the criteria used to determine whether they are worthy of coverage.  A deliberate effort is made to marginalize all other candidates, especially Mr. Kucinich who represents a threat to their monopoly control of the public airwaves. 

Where campaigns are relatively short affairs within the parliamentary democracies in the U.K. and Europe, the U.S. has degenerated into a permanent campaign mode so that the corporatist candidates will have sufficient time to raise the monies necessary to feed the conglomerated media noise machine.

Like all marketing schemes, the ads purchased by the corporate-backed candidates are designed to deceive the electorate, which, so long as it acts as passive consumers, will continue to vote against its own interests, creating what Noam Chomsky describes in “Failed States” as a “democracy deficit.”  Chomsky quotes John Dewey’s conclusion that “politics is the shadow cast on society by big business,” a circumstance that will continue so long as power resides in “business for private profit…reinforced by command of the press, press agents and other means of publicity and propaganda.” 

While on issue-after-issue, Mr. Kucinich represents the interests of a vast majority of the electorate, he can never succeed unless and until the electorate itself adopts the rights and responsibilities of citizenship, actively seeking out the truth as to where each candidate stands on issues of substance—a truth that is available through alternative media and the internet.

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By Verne Arnold, May 21, 2007 at 9:14 am Link to this comment

Re #71427 by LondonInNY on 5/21 at 7:38 am

If your running I’ll vote for you.

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By LondonInNY, May 21, 2007 at 8:38 am Link to this comment

What this country needs most is a Second American Revolution. The American public needs to come to the realization that the two party system has created the illusion of democracy. The false left/right paradigm shields us from the corruption of our leadership. The ruling class in America is raping the American public. Health insurance, retirement and financial security are not things that any congressman ever has to worry about. 

As I stated BUSH/CHENEY are NIXON/AGNEW ON STEROIDS. They are front men for a corrupt element in our government that saw what was possible and just took it to another level. Stolen elections, questionable/curious involvement in 9/11, War without legal justification, manipulation of the Justice Department and the electoral process. We did not resist the consolidation of power in Corporate America, the Media and the Military over the last couple of decades. Hence there is no legitimate major media looking into the most criminal administration in the history of our country. What this administration has done and continues to do is so far beyond Nixon/Agnew and yet the Democrats are silent.  Where are the DEMOCRATS?? Joe Lieberman is a phucking criminal and political whor_ of the highest order, ruled more by AIPAC money than the American Constitution. At the height of Republican Neo-Con corruption, he signs on to their team.  How convenient. The Constitution has become an irrelevant document.  Antitrust laws are a sham. Otherwise, how have we allowed Rupert Murdoch to in essence become Citizen Kane, a man with the most unscrupulous motives, and an unhealthy alliance with Roger Ailes, PNAC (Neo-Conservatives) and other fascists around the globe, to acquire so many media assets. The consolidation of media power has resulted in a shaping of news to suit the aims of the criminal element within our government. Why aren’t more Democrats getting behind Kucinich?

Conservatives and Liberals are not in power in America, only fascists and their complicitors. Conservatives are not activist politico’s who involve themselves in spying, monitoring the American public and enforcing a moral code on the people while they have their hand perpetually in the Treasury. These godless scum use God and religion are used as sword to control the masses. They are not Christians but rather use faith to prey on a fragile democracy and the people who crave leadership and a belief in right and wrong. The 4th Reich has taken hold in America. The Big Lie continues unabated.  Indictment and trial for TREASON, their removal from power and the administration of CAPITAL PUNISHMENT are the only answer. We let Nixon off and now the worst these crooks fear is the potential shame of getting caught and then being “pardoned”.  Why do we worry about whether there is Democracy in Cuba, Venezuela, Iraq, Iran or Russia when those who are in control here do not believe in the power of the people here. May this administration rot in hell!!

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By JNagarya, May 21, 2007 at 7:06 am Link to this comment

“#71305 by Tony Wicher on 5/20 at 2:32 pm
(28 comments total)

“”#71206 by JNagarya on 5/20 at 4:11 am”

““#71097 by Tony Wicher on 5/19 at 7:55 pm
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““#71058 by JNagarya on 5/19 at 10:00 am”

“In a way I hope Gonzo doesn’t resign or get fired, or impeached: as long as he’s there—neutered—he keeps the issues front-and-center, and continues to damage Bushit, et al.”

“Yeah, but on the other hand, Democrats might insist on confirming only an honest Attorney General who would proceed to investigate the hell out of the Bush Administration. Kind of puts Bush between a rock and a hard place. What do you think?”

He is between a rock and a hard place—except for the third option/escape: violating the law.

That’s why he won’t fire Gonzo, or request he resign.  But we do have to worry that he might attempt an “interim” appointment while Congress is out of town. 

At the same time, I just heard on NPR (WBUR, actually) that there’s talk of Gonzo resigning.  Perhaps that’s an effort to short-circuit the vote of no-confidence, in the belief that would return the process to square one, instead of continuing on to the next step: appointment of a special prosecutor; voting on impeachment; or whatever other options are possible.

“A constant revulsion.”

Yeah, this guy is a a great credit to his race, huh?

The conduct is sufficient to revolt.

“We must impeach even if it can’t be completed before 1/21/2009.  And I have vague memory (I go through a lot of materials, mostly legal, when online) of seeing reference to a statute concerning impeachment which makes exception to the rule that all unfinished business at the end of a Congress “falls to the floor”—that the impeachment would continue with the next Congress.”

“I didn’t know that. It’s good to know there isn’t necessarily a time limit.”

If that’s true; I’m not certain, and my focus was elsewhere, so I didn’t pursue it.  I believe the date the statute (if it’s true) was enacted was 1874.

“I just hope this does not wind up something like Nixon, where first Agnew resigned and Nixon was allowed to appoint his successor, who then proceeded to pardon him. This was praised at the time as “bringing the country together”, but to me it meant that Nixon was allowed to get away with it.”

I’m still pissed about that.  We should have set the obvious example by indiciting and prosecuting.

Almost as bad was the excuse for not prosecuting Agnew: “His family has suffereed enough.”  You won’t hear that excuse about a poor person caught violating the law.  Instead, while he does his time, his wife, if he has one, will be smeared as being “a welfare queen”—even if both are white.

“I’ll admit that I’m terrified.  I’ve felt a constant dread, not always subterranean, at times arising to anxiety, since 12/12/2000.  And the brazenness of the law-breaking—publicly, in broad daylight—only increases the sense of dread, and the terror: will they leave willingly? or will they go even further than they already have?”

“But the real horror, for me, did not begin until after 9-11 when they started beating the drums of war to invade Iraq in early 2002. That’s where I saw where it was all heading.”

Also alarming was that it tended to obscure everything that went before, all the way back to the theft of the election.  As if matters weren’t already complicated enough.

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By Tony Wicher, May 20, 2007 at 3:32 pm Link to this comment

“#71206 by JNagarya on 5/20 at 4:11 am”

“#71097 by Tony Wicher on 5/19 at 7:55 pm
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“#71058 by JNagarya on 5/19 at 10:00 am”

“In a way I hope Gonzo doesn’t resign or get fired, or impeached: as long as he’s there—neutered—he keeps the issues front-and-center, and continues to damage Bushit, et al.”

Yeah, but on the other hand, Democrats might insist on confirming only an honest Attorney General who would proceed to investigate the hell out of the Bush Administration. Kind of puts Bush between a rock and a hard place. What do you think?

“A constant revulsion.”

Yeah, this guy is a a great credit to his race, huh?

“We must impeach even if it can’t be completed before 1/21/2009.  And I have vague memory (I go through a lot of materials, mostly legal, when online) of seeing reference to a statute concerning impeachment which makes exception to the rule that all unfinished business at the end of a Congress “falls to the floor”—that the impeachment would continue with the next Congress.”

I didn’t know that. It’s good to know there isn’t necessarily a time limit. I just hope this does not wind up something like Nixon, where first Agnew resigned and Nixon was allowed to appoint his successor, who then proceeded to pardon him. This was praised at the time as “bringing the country together”, but to me it meant that Nixon was allowed to get away with it. Just think, we could have been the first democracy I can recall to put its president in jail! I’m sure it must have been done before. I can’t think of a better proof that we are, after all, truly a great democracy. 

“I’ll admit that I’m terrified.  I’ve felt a constant dread, not always subterranean, at times arising to anxiety, since 12/12/2000.  And the brazenness of the law-breaking—publicly, in broad daylight—only increases the sense of dread, and the terror: will they leave willingly? or will they go even further than they already have?”

First they impeach Clinton. That so-called impeachment was a partisan subversion of the Constitution. For that they deserve their coming impeachment doubly, in spades, with barbed wire wrapped around it. Then they steal the election
from Al Gore, who ran a weak campaign because he distanced himself from Clinton on account of that ridiculous Lewinsky scandal (a huge mistake; the polls showed the population was ready to pin a medal of honor on Clinton for that blow job). I could not believe that such a moron could be elected president. But the real horror, for me, did not begin until after 9-11 when they started beating the drums of war to invade Iraq in early 2002. That’s where I saw where it was all heading.
 
“I don’t think I can even get my head around the fact of torture—the most morally depraved of acts one human can impose upon another.  The brazen lying of the country into illegally invading and occupying an essentially defenseless country.  How can it happen that a number of individual sociopaths could somehow come together into a group which magnifies the evil out of all proportion?

And 28 per cent (an inflated number) could actually support and defend all that!?

How does one comprehend it?”

These days, if only 28% of the people don’t know their asses from a hole in the ground, you’re doing pretty well.

I was just listening to Ron Paul today and I liked what I heard. He wants the U.S. to be a democracy instead of an empire. There are such Republicans. What about a Kucinich-Paul bipartisan peace ticket? Just a dream, of course, but a pleasant one.

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By Leefeller, May 20, 2007 at 10:35 am Link to this comment

Ok posters, I may be over reacting but, this may part of Bush’s final drive for power and avoiding impeachment?

I may not understand, but it seems to gvie Bush power over all three (four if you count us) branches of government.

National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive ?NATIONAL SECURITY PRESIDENTIAL DIRECTIVE/NSPD 51 ?HOMELAND SECURITY PRESIDENTIAL DIRECTIVE/HSPD-20

Any congressional scholars out there?

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By Louise, May 20, 2007 at 9:33 am Link to this comment
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RE: #71211 by JNagarya

Yes, I pretty much agree about what happened in Florida, but I still believe Lieberman was a key player in making Gore efforts fail. Plus Gore’s attorney was not on the ball. (Apparently the only time in his illustrious career!) The fact that he was a republican might have played a role in that.

If you remember, Gore and his entire family were virtually under siege. Hundreds of “pay-a-protestor"s camped out in front of his home and basically made life hell for the Gore family. Kept Gore off balance while his misplaced faith in his running mate and attorneys worked against him.

Irregardless, one fact comes through loud and clear. Kerry and Gore both demonstrated a willingness to put too much faith in their advisors. Proving once and for all ...

WE NEED A PRESIDENT WHO DOES HIS/HER OWN THINKING!

Which pretty well narrows the field on the dem side!

“The support for impeachment must also be communicated—near constantly—to his colleagues in the House.  And in the Senate. And that means it must be as consistently communicated to Republicans.  If anyone needs to be overwhelmed with such demands, it’s the Republicans.”

And the independents and the uncommitted ... who really are the majority!

Know ten people?

Send it along! And ask them to do the same ... and so on ... until the numbers demand impeachment of Cheney!

http://kucinich.house.gov/SpotlightIssues/documents.htm and read Supporting Documents for H Res 333; A Resolution to bring Impeachment charges against Richard Cheney, as Introduced in the House of Representatives by Representative Dennis Kucinich

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By JNagarya, May 20, 2007 at 5:40 am Link to this comment

“#70959 by Louise on 5/19 at 12:59 am
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“Of course Kerry won. The big mystery is why did he cave and concede so quickly?”

He didn’t want to be called “sore loser”.  And you know that would have happened.  Once was enough.  Why give the Republican’ts excuse to do it again, serially?

“Of course Al Gore won, the final numbers prove that. The mistake he made was turning the fight over to Joe Lieberman.”

The mistakes he made were two: Not calling for a recount of the entire state.  And beleiving in fair play.  The latter is, you’ll agree, what we want.  So was that a mistake?  I don’t think so.

“If the Republican National Committee hadn’t been looking for a THOROUGHLY DISHONEST MAN. And a LIAR willing to orchestrate ANY CRIME NECESSARY to assure they gain absolute control of the Congress and the White House and the Supreme Court.”

I was online reading the FL elections laws during the battle.  Baker’s assertions about the law were exactly opposite the actual law.  Perhaps worse: the media would interview Gore’s people, and they would assert the law.  Then they’d interview Baker, and he’d assert te law.  And that was the end of it: it left the viewer to pick whatever side they preferred.  What the media should have done was run the text of the law—the standard—on the screen—or simply read it to the viewer before or after the interviews.  Recall Baker making it sound as if Gore was cheating because he “cherry picked” only a select list of counties for recounts?  In fact, the law stipulates that any candidate can chose any number—or all—for recounts.  Baker lied on the point.  And the media acted as if it was all a toss-up, opinion—as if there wasn’t actually a standard: the law.

“Then go to; http://kucinich.house.gov/SpotlightIssues/documents.htm and read Supporting Documents for H Res 333; A Resolution to bring Impeachment charges against Richard Cheney, as Introduced in the House of Representatives by Representative Dennis Kucinich

“We do have ONE LEADER in Congress who shares our concern. Now how about we throw our support behind him and make it happen!”

The support for impeachment must also be communicated—near constantly—to his colleagues in the House.  And in the Senate.

And that means it must be as consistently communicated to Republicans.  If anyone needs to be overwhelmed with such demands, it’s the Republicans.  They arrogantly and boastfully backed this illegitimate junta.  Now that it’s blowing up in their faces, they need constant reminding that we know what is going on, and that we see it blowing up in their faces.  They want to get reelected?  Then they’d better _EARN_ it.

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“#71076 by PatrickHenry on 5/19 at 6:14 pm
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“JNagarya

“One or two “senior” politicians (i.e. Pelosi) can and have blocked important legislation (HR333) concerning wishes from constituants from states other than their own.”

And have blocked legislation which would have been the opposite: harmful.

There is a thing called “institutional memory” (career lawyers leaving DOJ is a loss of that).  We are lucky to have Ted Kennedy.  Even when he was the lone “liberal” voice,” when everyone else was hunkered down, he continued to speak those principles.

“Same goes with churches, they have to pay for the municipal services which they use and impact.  The pastors, rabbi’s, ministers, priests should have to file personal income tax and fully disclose their earnings as the rest of us do.  The meaning and use of religion has changed since the founding fathers.”

The underlying principle hasn’t changed.  In all but one of the first state constitutions, adopted during 1776-77, and 1780, there are statements of the right of freedom of conscience.  That included not paying taxes to support a church to which you didn’t belong.  Thus no taxation.

Even more: In such as GA and NC, active clergy were prohibited holding public office.  And in GA there was a provision which guaranteed the freedom to preach, but also stipulated that if it were seditious against the state, it could be prosecuted.

The Founders and Framers had seen religious persecution up close, at minimum in the legal histories of their colonies.  They didn’t pull punches about it.

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“#71097 by Tony Wicher on 5/19 at 7:55 pm
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“#71058 by JNagarya on 5/19 at 10:00 am

“We are in sync. Democrats have done a good job on the investigations. This administration is 100 times worse than Nixon, makes Nixon look like George Washington. There are emails all over the place. They will never keep a lid on this.”

In a way I hope Gonzo doesn’t resign or get fired, or impeached: as long as he’s there—neutered—he keeps the issues front-and-center, and continues to damage Bushit, et al.

A constant revulsion.

“Impeachment is coming soon. Dennis Kucinich deserves to be the next president for having led the charge, but the election campaign for 08 is less important than impeaching Bush and Cheney now.”

Absolutely agreed.  No excuse should be allowed to do otherwise—including the, “Well, they’re only going to be there XX months longer.”

“If Bush, Cheney and Rove all allowed to slink away quietly in the night, it will implicate the next administration in their crimes. They need to spend the rest of their lives in jail. Impeachment in the House is not good enough. This must be handled in such a way there will be conviction in the Senate, if there is to be full accountability.”

Absolutely.

In law, silence is assent.  We must impeach, else the egregious violations of nearly everything this country stands for, and the Constitution and laws, will be established as precedent.  I don’t fear that the next president (Bushit isn’t president; the Constitution stipulates that the president shall be _elected_) would abuse those precedents; but in future another would.

We must impeach even if it can’t be completed before 1/21/2009.  And I have vague memory (I go through a lot of materials, mostly legal, when online) of seeing reference to a statute concerning impeachment which makes exception to the rule that all unfinished business at the end of a Congress “falls to the floor”—that the impeachment would continue with the next Congress.

I’ll admit that I’m terrified.  I’ve felt a constant dread, not always subterranean, at times arising to anxiety, since 12/12/2000.  And the brazenness of the law-breaking—publicly, in broad daylight—only increases the sense of dread, and the terror: will they leave willingly? or will they go even further than they already have?

I don’t think I can even get my head around the fact of torture—the most morally depraved of acts one human can impose upon another.  The brazen lying of the country into illegally invading and occupying an essentially defenseless country.  How can it happen that a number of individual sociopaths could somehow come together into a group which magnifies the evil out of all proportion?

Even under the tyranny of the theocracy in such as MA-Bay habeas corpus was a right.  We can’t do better than that?

And 28 per cent (an inflated number) could actually support and defend all that!?

How does one comprehend it?

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“#71032 by Pat Williams on 5/19 at 2:40 pm
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“Just because officials in one state or another remove people from the voting rolls does not necessarily mean the former voters are non-citizens. Many an elderly persons who were born in poverty or native American (Indian) who have no proof they were born in the US. My friend’s mom, a full-blooded Ojibway was born on a reservation in Michigan. She never could get a birth certificate or other proof. The bottom line is that there is very little voter fraud but much vote fraud. Computers cannot be made secure with secret ballots because, as with ATMs, the only way to secure is with identity. Paper ballots are the only way to go along with legally mandated audits, partial recount checks and observations by all parties. Exit polls should be owned by the people and also secured. Contrary to the claims that exit polls are not reliable, well-designed exit polls are eminently relieable and a sound basis for checking vote fraud. The exit polls and other statistical evidence in 2004 indicate that Kerry won by over 4 million votes, much in key swing states and would have won by several million more if not for the minority vote suppression. Despite best efforts and a great turnout in the 2006 mid-terms, exits polls, prior to “adjustment” by MSM owners indicates at least 3 million votes shifted or negated (undervote), about 4% of the vote. We SHOULD have at least ten more Democrats in Congress right now if our votes had been secured.”

None of us can be on top of everything, so it’s exceedingly helpful that others, such as you, are tracking such as the voter/ing issue and keeping us informed.  And that is well stated. 

And compassionate.

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“#71073 by PaulMagillSmith on 5/19 at 5:52 pm
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“#71064 by JNagarya on 5/19 at 10:22 am

“In 1972 I, also, was was about 24 years old and during the passing decades have come to agree with you that patience is the most vital, yet the most difficult of virtues.”

Is it ever difficult!

“Although I might sometimes seem a bit anxious for change (after all it has been a very trying past six years) I also recognize revision of a thoroughly corrupted system of government takes time. Rome wasn’t built in a day, but it got built, right?”

For more years than six.

“Thanks for taking the time to read & respond to particulars in other people’s posts. It might look like we (a number of us anyway) are on different paragraphs, but it looks like we are on the same page. It also seems we are in agreement that we share a civic duty to speak out against the injustice & criminal activities foisted upon us by an administration infested with miscreant neo-Con fascists.”

Last night I was researching volumes of legal history (I “enjoy” colonial law and its eventuation in constitutional law) and saw a quote from I think, Justice Brandeis: “Democracy is responsiblity.”

“I, too, understand what the Democrats are doing, and understand how hard it is to turn a herd of stampeding elephants, especially when they are running scared; and you’d better believe they’re scared at the moment.”

I think they’re all worried, and the Republicans are just about terrified: despite their arrogance, it’s all blowing up in their faces.  When this is over, we may look back and thank Gonzo for being so obviously criminal—not only a liar; criminal to the bone.  That hospital incident is utterly, jaw-droppingly astonishing.  And stomach-churning.

“A lot of work has been & is being done, and much of it most people aren’t even aware of quite yet…and in ONLY four months, as you stated. Imagine where we will be in a year or so.”

I still worry: Will Bush, et al., go willingly?  Or will it be necessary to surround the White House with the military (what military! is there a plan in destroying it?), and send in Federal Marshalls to drag them out kicking-and-screaming?  I mean that.

“By the fall of 1966 I was active against the Viet Nam war, and the scales were tipped heavily in the pro war camp’s favor.”

During the last three weeks of my Junior year—June, 1965—we “had” to read _The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn_.  I read it in three days; it blew me away, and I turned against the war, to which I’d given little thought (it only became a regular spot on the news in May, 1965).  By the turn of Winter, 1965-66, my pacifism had crystalized.  I read nothing but Twain—everything I could get my hands on—for the two years beginning June, 1965, until graduation in June, 1967.  (Extra half-year due to illness.)

“As the public became aware things weren’t quite as the government was trying to ‘spin’ them, public opinion shifted toward a ‘tipping point’ at which time almost everyone jumped on the band wagon. Once the scales shifted against the war they couldn’t be reversed, and the war ended. I see the same thing happening now.”

Yes.  But I’m still on edge waiting for it to penetrate the “mainstream” (if such exists any more) media.  Actually, the media wasn’t all that different then; it took it a long time to stop perpetuating the administration line.

“Patience doesn’t mean being complacent, though, so we have to keep holding their feet to the fire.”

We have no acceptable alternative.

“Keep on pushing, ok?”

Always do.  I think we all feel overwelmed—serial scandals of the worst degree, a new one nearly every day.  There’s a Chinese saying: “May you live in interesting times.”  It’s intended as a curse.  Watergate was frightening—and the Saturday Night Massacre was terrifying.  How much longer will the constant undercurrent of Bushit’s terrorism against the world continue?

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“#71109 by LondonInNY on 5/19 at 2:33 pm
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“BUSH/CHENEY=NIXON/AGNEW ON STEROIDS.”

On crystal meth—methadrine.

“Impeachment is not the solution. Indictment for Treason and administration of the DEATH PENALTY is more apropos.”

Impeachment is indictment.  It is done in the House.  The trial on the impeachment is done in the Senate.

“The rise of the NEO-CONS and THE BIG LIE are analogous with the rise of the NAZI’S.”

Agreed. 

“The corruption runs deep and straight to the White House. This is not about partisan politics. The American Neo-con experiment has proved disastrous to freedom, democracy, the rule of law, the US Constitution and individual rights and liberties. It is no longer funny and cannot be dismissed as politics.”

Agreed.

“The Faux News Network is very much an instrumentality of NEO-CON PROPAGANDA created by NEO-CONS, Roger Ailes, Rupert Murdoch and his henchman who are psuedo journalists.”

Exactly.  And Roger Ailes was in the Reagan Administration as his media dude.

Most don’t realize how extreme Reagan was—that he was a member of the John Birch Society (“commies!” everywhere).  They can get a clue from extremist Goldwater, who said of Reagan and his crowd, “I don’t know what these people are, but they aren’t conservatives.  They’re even to the right of _me_!”

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By Tony Wicher, May 20, 2007 at 12:16 am Link to this comment

I can hear those impeachment drums beating louder. I heard it on Keith Olberman the other night. On Thursday John Stewart asked, “What do these guys have to do, sodomize the Declaration of Independence?”

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By Verne Arnold, May 20, 2007 at 12:04 am Link to this comment

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As one who was on the streets in the late 60’s and still has much to learn; I have been following your dialogue with the others and find it very informative.  For the most part I agree with you.  As a less than patient human I struggle to give the Dems the benefit of the doubt.  We the people are the only ones who can create a third party, but I don’t believe there are enough of us…yet.

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By LondonInNY, May 19, 2007 at 3:33 pm Link to this comment

BUSH/CHENEY=NIXON/AGNEW ON STEROIDS. Impeachment is not the solution. Indictment for Treason and administration of the DEATH PENALTY is more apropos. The rise of the NEO-CONS and THE BIG LIE are analogous with the rise of the NAZI’S.

-9/11 Lies
-Corruption of the Electoral Process thwarting the will of the American people in two Presidential elections and perhaps countless other state races
-WMD’s
-Justice Department
-The World Bank

The corruption runs deep and straight to the White House. This is not about partisan politics. The American Neo-con experiment has proved disastrous to freedom, democracy, the rule of law, the US Constitution and individual rights and liberties. It is no longer funny and cannot be dismissed as politics. The Faux News Network is very much an instrumentality of NEO-CON PROPAGANDA created by NEO-CONS, Roger Ailes, Rupert Murdoch and his henchman who are psuedo journalists.

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By LondonInNY, May 19, 2007 at 3:24 pm Link to this comment

BUSH/CHENEY=NIXON/AGNEW ON STEROIDS. This is not partisan politics. THEY ARE CRIMINALS. The Justice Department Scandal has far reaching implications and illustrates a blatant and total disregard for the Constitution, the rule of law and and an effort to thwart the will of the American people and the electoral process. What they have and continue to do violates every aspect of the principles upon which this country was founded, in a very suBstantial way. IMPEACHMENT? Impeachment is NOT strong enough punishment. Fascist Analogies to the Third Reich are apropos. The Nixon Agnew team were bumbling fools compared to the relentless and intentional disregard for law, democracy and the constitution that this administration has shown. They should be indicted, tried for TREASON and receive CAPITAL PUNISHMENT—-them and the ENTIRE CLAN OF PNAC NEO-CON CRIMINALS, if necessary.

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By Tony Wicher, May 19, 2007 at 2:25 pm Link to this comment

#71058 by JNagarya on 5/19 at 10:00 am

We are in sync. Democrats have done a good job on the investigations. This administration is 100 times worse than Nixon, makes Nixon look like George Washington. There are emails all over the place. They will never keep a lid on this. Impeachment is coming soon. Dennis Kucinich deserves to be the next president for having led the charge, but the election campaign for 08 is less important than impeaching Bush and Cheney now. If Bush, Cheney and Rove all allowed to slink away quietly in the night, it will implicate the next administration in their crimes. They need to spend the rest of their lives in jail. Impeachment in the House is not good enough. This must be handled in such a way there will be conviction in the Senate, if there is to be full accountability.

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By PatrickHenry, May 19, 2007 at 12:44 pm Link to this comment

JNagarya

The touchscreen voting box method should produce a quality paper ballot, verifiable with no chad. it could then be placed in “the box” by the voter.  Any dispute then open the box and begin counting.

By advocating term limits I mean for the lobbyists and congressional staffers too.  I by no means want to deprive voters in any state or district the right to send whoever they want to federal office, only in another position where senority starts anew.  One or two “senior” politicians (i.e. Pelosi) can and have blocked important legislation (HR333) concerning wishes from constituants from states other than their own. 

I live outside of Washington DC, and see The myriad of lobbies knowing full well they don’t pay the appropriate taxes to the district but expect the services of the city (police, fire, water, EMS).  The salaries and expense accounts of these snake oil salesmen and women are substantial.

Same goes with churches, they have to pay for the municipal services which they use and impact.  The pastors, rabbi’s, ministers, priests should have to file personal income tax and fully disclose their earnings as the rest of us do.  The meaning and use of religion has changed since the founding fathers.

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By PaulMagillSmith, May 19, 2007 at 12:22 pm Link to this comment

#71064 by JNagarya on 5/19 at 10:22 am

In 1972 I, also, was was about 24 years old and during the passing decades have come to agree with you that patience is the most vital, yet the most difficult of virtues. Although I might sometimes seem a bit anxious for change (after all it has been a very trying past six years) I also recognize revision of a thoroughly corrupted system of government takes time. Rome wasn’t built in a day, but it got built, right?

Thanks for taking the time to read & respond to particulars in other people’s posts. It might look like we (a number of us anyway) are on different paragraphs, but it looks like we are on the same page. It also seems we are in agreement that we share a civic duty to speak out against the injustice & criminal activities foisted upon us by an administration infested with miscreant neo-Con fascists.

As a regular daily viewer of C-SPAN & C-SPAN2, I sometimes find myself so angry I wish I could reach through the TV screen and just smack one of the representatives and say, “Wake up, stupid, you’re doing wrong and lying about it to me.”

I, too, understand what the Democrats are doing, and understand how hard it is to turn a herd of stampeding elephants, especially when they are running scared; and you’d better believe they’re scared at the moment. A lot of work has been & is being done, and much of it most people aren’t even aware of quite yet…and in ONLY four months, as you stated. Imagine where we will be in a year or so.

Stay positive, keep writing, and speaking out against the current tyrants and we will eventually win the day. Staying focused on the goal of universal justice is essential.

By the fall of 1966 I was active against the Viet Nam war, and the scales were tipped heavily in the pro war camp’s favor. As the public became aware things weren’t quite as the government was trying to ‘spin’ them, public opinion shifted toward a ‘tipping point’ at which time almost everyone jumped on the band wagon. Once the scales shifted against the war they couldn’t be reversed, and the war ended. I see the same thing happening now.

Patience doesn’t mean being complacent, though, so we have to keep holding their feet to the fire. If you do nothing nothing gets done, right? If we all push together we can open a doorway to a better future. Keep on pushing, ok?

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By PatrickHenry, May 19, 2007 at 11:29 am Link to this comment

I vote for the candidate who best shares my core beliefs and convictions and whose interpretations of government are concurrent with my own, political party notwithstanding.

Vote for the candidate not the party.

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“#70663 by PatrickHenry on 5/17 at 4:13 pm
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“Those electronic voting machines which lack the verifiable paper trail necessary to allow a recount is where “they” got us.”

The addition of a “paper trail” as has been proposed by those least informed are nonsense: a computer can do more than one calculation at a time.  Sure: the printout has on it that which is on the screen of the machine.  But is that the only calculation going on?

“Term limits and public funded campaigns with PBS access for all candidates 24/7.”

Why were the Founders opposed to term limits?  Might it be worth looking at all the issues involved, instead of proposing a bandaid to gag the voter against voting for whomever s/he pleases?

“. . . tax the hell out of . . . the megalithic churches too.”

And by that means give them the right to interfere in politics.

Separation of church and state is to be absolute: you don’t pay taxes, you don’t get to lobby, or otherwise meddle in politics; in exchange for which, gov’t doesn’t interfere in your “religion”.

And in time, the taxes from one “religion” would be used to support “religions” not supported by those who paid the taxes in the first instance.

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By JNagarya, May 19, 2007 at 11:07 am Link to this comment

“#70624 by Scott on 5/17 at 7:24 pm
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“All I can say is thank God Paris Hilton was released early.”

She was!?  Damn!  I missed the news of that because of the stupid 24/7 hearings about Gonzales lying, and breaking the law, or whatever he did.

It’s frustrating.  I can’t wait until they return to regular programming.  I need a break from all this nonsense.  I’ve about watched all my Arnie Schwartzeneger DVDs to death!

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“#70816 by Leefeller on 5/18 at 2:22 pm
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#70756 by JNagarya, Your blind allegiance to the potential efficiency of the Democrats seems slightly naive.  From your post I believe you feel the Democrats are doing something exciting, on the other hand I expect business as usual, I hope you prove me wrong.”

My “allegiance” is to the rule of law—“A system of laws, and not of men”—John Adams.  As well, I was circa 23-24 during Watergate, and even then knew it takes patience, and time, to reestablish the rule of law by means of due process.  At that time I was a regular at a particular bar.  At the beginning of that year—it was June, 1972, and I’d just seen the first report on the break-in—everyone in the bar except myself was pro-Nixon.  A solid year later, everyone in that bar was solid for impeachment.  Time, patience, persuasion. 

“My feeling about the Democrats, which is the same for the Republicans, they are the best government money can buy.”

The usual fashionable cynicism by the self-righteous who would, given the same opportunity, would be part of the “best government money can buy”.  Reminds me of the cliques during the 1960s who stood around jabbering about how others weren’t as aware/hip as they. 

“Between the two parties, they only have three candidates between them that make some sense not having the money or mass media support they are all on the bottom.”

What do you propse to do about that?  Vote for a third party candidate who hasn’t a chance of being elected?

“Waiting for the next revelation from the Democrats tries my patience, because people are being slaughtered in Iraq and I believe Bush should be impeached.”

I agree that Bush, et al., should be impeached—and removed.  In fact, I’ve been of that view since 12/12/2000, and haven’t been silent about it.

“Dennis Kuckinich is the only one that has tried to do something.”

He so far has three additional sponsors signed on.  Howver, in neither house do the Democrats have sufficient votes, at this point, to impeach.  Time patience, persuasion.  And in place of bashing the Democrats, communicated pressure for impeachment.

We the people are the ultimate check on gov’t.  Impeachment should not originate in Congress—we saw the abuse of power result from that against Clinton.  It must begin with We the people, else it be seen as nothing more than partisan, or “political stunt,” and the demand for that must be communicated to Congress.  Instead of doing that, those who don’t participate anyway bash the Democrats for not doing the impossible—as excuse to continue to not participate.  And then they throw their vote away—if they vote—on pie-in-the-sky and undermine the candidacy of those who have a chance of actually winning.

“Thanks for the feed back.”

Yer welcome.

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“#70998 by Ron Ranft on 5/18 at 11:24 pm
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“I voted for Ralph Nader in 2000. And I would do so again. Yes, there is that myth that Nader caused Gore to loose.”

In exchange for being nominated by the Greens, Nader promised he wouldn’t campaign in swing states.  He broke that promise and campaigned in swing states, including FL. 

“No, Gore and the Supreme Court caused Gore to loose.”

Those are no more the facts than your failure to know the facts about Nader’s promise, and his breaking of it.  The first person to run to court in FL was Bush.  The first person to run to Federal district court was Bush.

Gore is not named Scalia.  It was Scalia who unprecedentedly intervened in the election to stop the counting of votes.

I was not Gore who took his frivolous “case’ to the _wrong_ branch of gov’t.  The Constitution gives exclusive authority to _CONGRESS_ to resolve election disputes such as that in 2000; the _UNELECTED_ SC has no legitimate role in the issue. 

It was the SC—not Gore—that subverted the Constitution in order to unconstitutionaly appoint Bush.

“So what does that have to do with anything? The Democrats won big in the last elections and promised to do something about this administration. What have they done?”

How long have they been in control?  Four months?  They’ve totally discredited Gonzales, and numerous others have resigned.  And as long as he is where he is, he keeps the issue alive, and continues to damage Bush, et al.

“They’ve held hearings. Whoopdeedo! As this article points out, it is as clear . . . what all the firings are about but what has happened as a result of those hearings? There is going to be a call for a no confidence resolution which means jack!”

Congress is pursuing the issues as required by law.  Due process.  The no-confidence vote does several things: takes a “sense of the Senate” as to how many might be for impeachment).  And it puts Republicans on the spot—an election is coming up—are they for Gonzales?—an election is coming up—or are they for Gonazles resigning?—there’s an election coming up.

Congress is farther along in the process than political neophytes like you realize.  They are already at “show cause”.

“We’ve had none binding resolutions and half-assed bills calling for timetables, withdrawals, with all kinds of caveats, none of them with any teeth in them.”

Regardless whether they have teeth, if Bush won’t sign them, they won’t be the law, therefore won’t have any effect.  The responsibility is on Bush.

“The Democrats either are liars about their stated goals or they are dragging this all out so they can use it to try and gain more power.”

The Democrats (nor Gore) didn’t veto.  The responsibility is on Bush.

“That makes them as despicable as the Republicans. They are willing to trade American and Iraqi lives for more votes and more power.”

If Bush won’t sign a bill with teeth, then that bill doesn’t become law, and therefore has no effect.  The responsibility is on Bush.

“Never forget that they were complicit in the formation of this war. Except for a few, they all have blood on their hands.”

They were lied to, as were the rest of us.

“Until they repeal the Military Commission Act, impeach the criminals in the White House, the Democrats will never be a whit better than the Republicans no matter how much smoke and how many mirrors they wave about!”

Can’t impeach without sufficient votes.  That means they have to gain support of sufficient Republicans to even attempt it.  The only way to do that is the way they are doing it: investigation, and gathering and presenting hard evidence toward that end, and holding hearings which builds the pressure. 

It would take a minimum of 67 votes to impeach.  How many Democrats are there in the Senate?  Much fewer than 67.

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By Tony Wicher, May 19, 2007 at 10:15 am Link to this comment

Reply to #70756 by JNagarya on 5/17 at 11:34 pm

I agree with you. The Democrats are serious, even if they are trying to keep their asses covered as usual. Kucinich is dead serious about impeachment. It is a matter of letting investigations get to a certain point; then there will be a special prosecutor and it will be like Watergate. Republicans will throw in the towel at some point. Events are moving rapidly.

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By Pat Williams, May 19, 2007 at 9:10 am Link to this comment
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Just because officials in one state or another remove people from the voting rolls does not necessarily mean the former voters are non-citizens. Many an elderly persons who were born in poverty or native American (Indian) who have no proof they were born in the US. My friend’s mom, a full-blooded Ojibway was born on a reservation in Michigan. She never could get a birth certificate or other proof. The bottom line is that there is very little voter fraud but much vote fraud. Computers cannot be made secure with secret ballots because, as with ATMs, the only way to secure is with identity. Paper ballots are the only way to go along with legally mandated audits, partial recount checks and observations by all parties. Exit polls should be owned by the people and also secured. Contrary to the claims that exit polls are not reliable, well-designed exit polls are eminently relieable and a sound basis for checking vote fraud. The exit polls and other statistical evidence in 2004 indicate that Kerry won by over 4 million votes, much in key swing states and would have won by several million more if not for the minority vote suppression. Despite best efforts and a great turnout in the 2006 mid-terms, exits polls, prior to “adjustment” by MSM owners indicates at least 3 million votes shifted or negated (undervote), about 4% of the vote. We SHOULD have at least ten more Democrats in Congress right now if our votes had been secured.

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By Ron Ranft, May 19, 2007 at 12:24 am Link to this comment
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I voted for Ralph Nader in 2000. And I would do so again. Yes, there is that myth that Nader caused Gore to loose. No, Gore and the Supreme Court caused Gore to loose. So what does that have to do with anything? The Democrats won big in the last elections and promised to do something about this administration. What have they done? They’ve held hearings. Whoopdeedo! As this article points out, it is as clear as the tip of our noses what all the firings are about but what has happened as a result of those hearings? There is going to be a call for a no confidence resolution which means jack! We’ve had none binding resolutions and half-assed bills calling for timetables, withdrawals, with all kinds of caveats, none of them with any teeth in them. The Democrats either are liars about their stated goals or they are dragging this all out so they can use it to try and gain more power. That makes them as despicable as the Republicans. They are willing to trade American and Iraqi lives for more votes and more power. Never forget that they were complicit in the formation of this war. Except for a few, they all have blood on their hands. Until they repeal the Military Commission Act, impeach the criminals in the White House, the Democrats will never be a whit better than the Republicans no matter how much smoke and how many mirrors they wave about!

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By Tony Wicher, May 19, 2007 at 12:16 am Link to this comment

Impeach the bastards. It’s past time for a special prosecutor.

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By Louise, May 18, 2007 at 7:29 pm Link to this comment
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“I don’t agree with the argument that we don’t have a prayer.  If Americans were truly as apathetic as some are proposing then why purge voters?  There would have been no need to go through all that!  Unless of course, those votes would have made all the difference, and that’s the real issue.” Outraged (#70652)

Now that’s just plain old fashioned common sense. Apathy is not the problem. Ignorance is. Pick anyone you know and ask them how they feel about Bush and company. Then ask them why. Then fill them in. Millions of people out there know something’s wrong, they just don’t quite know why or how really wrong things are. If you can reach ten people and they can reach ten and so on, in a matter of weeks we would have the bodies we need to force Congress to impeach ... unless they all want to lose their jobs of course.

Margaret Currey (#70518) “Now will people believe that John Kerry really won the election? Will people also believe that Al Gore also won the election? What this neocon government does next will not surprise me, what really surprises me is how did these clowns get into the office especially how Carl Rove can get so important in the affairs of running the country, which looks like Bush is just a dummy and someone else is pulling the strings of this president.”

Dear Margaret, 

Of course Kerry won. The big mystery is why did he cave and concede so quickly? Of course Al Gore won, the final numbers prove that. The mistake he made was turning the fight over to Joe Lieberman. Who pretty well helped “babble” Bush into the White House, along with the Supremes of course.

If the Republican National Committee hadn’t been looking for a THOROUGHLY DISHONEST MAN. And a LIAR willing to orchestrate ANY CRIME NECESSARY to assure they gain absolute control of the Congress and the White House and the Supreme Court. Rove never would have made it through their front door! That is a fact. They can ALL share the blame equally.

Bush is no dummy, he’s just a lousy performer, which is why he comes across looking like one. He knows the plan and is fully part of it. But the front man for the mayhem ... the enabler of the Crime Family, is Richard Cheney. The evidence is overwhelming!

Now, if you haven’t yet, please go to; http://kucinich.us/ And become one in a million. (no strings attached ... how refreshing is that?)

Then go to; http://kucinich.house.gov/SpotlightIssues/documents.htm and read Supporting Documents for H Res 333; A Resolution to bring Impeachment charges against Richard Cheney, as Introduced in the House of Representatives by Representative Dennis Kucinich

We do have ONE LEADER in Congress who shares our concern. Now how about we throw our support behind him and make it happen!

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By 911truthdotorg, May 18, 2007 at 1:23 pm Link to this comment

Ernest Canning -

While I agree that the 2000 “selection” involved a judicial coup, I don’t think the word “legal” is appropriate.  What the neocons pulled off was decidedly illegal.

I agree 1,000%. That’s why I put “legal” and not
legal.

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By Verne Arnold, May 18, 2007 at 10:25 am Link to this comment

Re #70811 by Ernest Canning on 5/18 at 7:34 am

I couldn’t agree more and have already done so.  Thanks again!

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By Leefeller, May 18, 2007 at 8:52 am Link to this comment

#70756 by JNagarya, Your blind allegiance to the potential efficiency of the Democrats seems slightly naive.  From your post I believe you feel the Democrats are doing something exciting, on the other hand I expect business as usual, I hope you prove me wrong. 

My feeling about the Democrats, which is the same for the Republicans,  they are the best government money can buy. 

Between the two parties, they only have three candidates between them that make some sense not having the money or mass media support they are all on the bottom.

Waiting for the next revelation from the Democrats tries my patience, because people are being slaughtered in Iraq and I believe Bush should be impeached.  Dennis Kuckinich is the only one that has tried to do something.

Thanks for the feed back.

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By cann4ing, May 18, 2007 at 8:34 am Link to this comment

Mr. Arnold:  I can’t tell you how pleased I am whenever someone tells me they have become a regular viewer of Democracy Now!  The answer to our present malaise lies in the Latin phrase, Scienter est Potentia, meaning knowledge is power.  Democracy Now! provides what a real “news” program should look like.  What passes for “news” in the conglomerated corporate media is merely propaganda—a point underscored by Paul Krugman’s remark during the Danny Schechter documentary, “Weapons of Mass Deception:”  “You ask why do the Europeans see things so differently, well, one answer is…they don’t have…‘Countdown Iraq,’ ‘SHOWDOWN IRAQ,’ ‘Target Iraq’ on their screens nonstop.”

Of course, there is a responsibility that comes with your discovery of the treasure trove of knowledge at Democracy Now!  You’ve no right to keep it to yourself.  PaulMagillSmith is correct in his assessment that we cannot just be commenting amongst ourselves.  At every opportunity, try to get those you know to listen to or watch Democracy Now!  Once they do, tell them to do what I am telling you so that access to knowledge builds like a pyramid scheme.  A knowledgeable citizenry is the best defense against tyranny.  That is precisely why would-be tyrants like George Bush and Dick Cheney want to hide behind a veil of secrecy, enhanced by use of Orwellian phrases (“war on terror,” “support the troops”) that serve to disarm our ability to mount effective opposition.

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By Verne Arnold, May 18, 2007 at 2:34 am Link to this comment

Re #70592 by Ernest Canning on 5/17 at 9:33 am

I just watched the May 14th Democracynow.org Amy Goodman interview with Palast…Thanks a bunch…please continue to offer these goodies.
I am now a regular viewer.

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By JNagarya, May 18, 2007 at 12:34 am Link to this comment

“#70602 by Leefeller on 5/17 at 4:50 pm
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“. . . .  What we have here is a failure to impeach. Congress is supposed to represent the people, the interests of what is good for our nation as a whole.  Instead we get a self serving lot. who worry about their political parties instead of the Nation, who refuse to support the Constitution, and The Bill of Rights. We the people are short changed.  Our representative government is nothing more than whores to the highest bidder. My apologies to the ladies of the night, the worlds oldest profession.”

How long have the Democrats been in control of Congress?  Some four months?  And as result of their oversight efforts, there have been a significant number of resignations, and the truth is beginning to be elicited.  And now they have interviewed a person who Gonzales refused to allow to testify a year ago—Comey—and the testimony is the most explosive yet.

Gonzales has been reduced to a laughingstock who has no credibility and no authority.  Whether he stays or goes will make no difference in the outcome; it is only a question as to whether his staying or going will speed up the inevitable impeachment, or slow it down.  His staying will keep the issues alive.  His going will leave Bushit totally exposed to direct scrutiny.

Yet self-important twits who know next to nothing about how our gov’t is to function, let alone what Congress is doing, or how far along it is in the process, such as yourself, pontificate by repeating cliches equally uninformed.

Congress is farther along than most are aware.  They are in the “show cause” phase—submitting the evidence they are gathering to the judge and jury We the people.

And you make excuses to continue to be disengaged, falsely believing your cynicism is fashionable, and wisdom.

The vote of no-confidence is not whimpy or lame.  It has several purposes: a “sense of the Senate” toward impaechment; a challenge to the Republicans by putting them on the spot: they either support Gonzlaes and Bushit—an election is coming up—or they support the rule of law, in keeping with their oath of office.

And yet the Democrats are bashed because they are conducting the investigations, the process, in accordance with due process, instead of acting precipitously, prematurely.

“Our Liberty is doomed to follow the political lemmings off the cliff.”

Yeah.  Throw up your hands as excuse to continue doing nothing—other than bashing Democrats because they, but not you, “get” what they are doing.

It is guaranteed that, due to political global warming, Bushit, et al., are going to have an exceedingly and unusually hot Summer.  Though you should have paying objective attention to Congress before now, it isn’t too late to begin to do so, to begin to actually inform yourself as to what it is doing.  And the fact that Congress knows a great deal more—based on hard evidence—than it is revealing.  Congress is co-equal with the Executive.  It has “plenary” power—and you thought only the Executive does?—and it is awesome and awe-inspiring power when aroused.

Bushit has always been a loser.  He will not resign, because that would destroy his effort to finally, for the first time in his life, be a “winner”.  Impeachment is inevitable.  And it will come.

You’ll come to thank Comey for being, although a Republican, a person of actual integrity and courage.  He is the new witness to the fact that “There is a cancer on the presidency.”

This will also destroy the Republican party, or at minimum condemn it to the wilderness for another generation.  That is the history of the Republican party: it get’s into office, blows it, and then is out of power for the next 40 years.  This time it will lucky to survive its determined and obsessive self-destruction.

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By Leefeller, May 18, 2007 at 12:32 am Link to this comment

#70744 by PaulMagillSmith, have you checked out Politico.com?  The site is Pablum to me, they seem to skirt issues.  In the comments section, they ask which political party you are in, most seem to be Republican, from the comments they seem like regular folks.  I glean the headlines but never seem to find a reason to read on.

Impeach corruption.

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By JNagarya, May 18, 2007 at 12:15 am Link to this comment

“#70586 by TexasToast on 5/17 at 9:16 am
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“Citing the DOJ statistic that “only a handful of people were convicted of voting illegally since ... 2002” misrepresents the fact that many more persons have illegally registered, and sometimes illegally voted without being prosecuted or convicted.

“It seems the larger counties in Texas are purging some 100-250 persons a year from the voting roles because they are non-citizens.  As a percentage of all voters this is not a large number but it is at least an indication that the underlying problem should not be characterized only by convictions.”

And I’m sure you can documentthose assertions, even though Bushit’s own hand-picked US AGs couldn’t.

Here’s a tip: If you’re so against immigrants, why not grab yourself by the collar and throw yourself out of the country?

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By PaulMagillSmith, May 17, 2007 at 11:24 pm Link to this comment

Ok good folks. I’ve diligently read literally hundreds (perhaps thousands even) of posts on this site regarding numerous articles. While all those posting here seem pretty much in agreement on the major issues & crimes being committed by this sad-sack administration are we being most effective by ‘preaching to the choir’ so to speak?

Doesn’t it make sense for some of us to find out the blog site read by the most Republicans and throw our two cents worth in there? It must be done without opinions, but verifiable FACTS, backed up by posted links to further information, AND (as difficult as it may be because Republicans have that tedency to become rude, vile, & debasing when confronted with facts they can’t ‘spin’) without falling into the trap of reacting bitterly when they attempt to ‘shoot the messengers’.

Anybody got any ideas about where to stir things up a bit? You know, many of these people never get a chance to see opposing views, and given the facts we might even swing a few over to real political correctness. Can I get some feedback on this suggestion?

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By PaulMagillSmith, May 17, 2007 at 10:54 pm Link to this comment

Well said #70652 by Outraged on 5/17 at 2:58 pm

Even if the MSM is lax it is the responsibility of every patriotic American to personally talk with their friends, family, and neighbors about how important (vital) it is to stand up to tyrants, untruthfulness, and those who attempt to turn our constitution into “...just a scrap of paper”.

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By Vicki, May 17, 2007 at 10:35 pm Link to this comment
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Marie Cocco is right. While it lacked the burglary aspect, the scheme to fire the honest US attorneys and substitute crooked ones who favored the illegal and unjustified disenfranchisement of masses of Democratic voters is every bit as criminal as Watergate. The burglary is trivial, the major crime was the effort to cheat the American democratic voting system. That is exactly what they achieved without the mistake of being caught committing a burglary. On the other hand, I’ve no doubt that they committed other criminal, blue collar crimes along the way, the major serious crime was the corruption of the American political system. This crime should be prosecutable and should also be impeachable as was the original Watergate crimes.

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By cann4ing, May 17, 2007 at 10:09 pm Link to this comment

re comment #70723 by 911truthdotorg.  While I agree that the 2000 “selection” involved a judicial coup, I don’t think the word “legal” is appropriate.  What the neocons pulled off was decidedly illegal.

While there are a number of works, such as Greg Palast’s “Armed Madhouse” and Mark Crispin Miller’s “Fooled Again” detailing the multiple creative voter suppression efforts of Rove and company in both the 2000 and 2004 elections, such as the use of “caging lists” and the Katherine Harris/Choice Point illegal purging of more than 57,000 eligible African American voters from Florida’s computerized voter rolls in 2000, the best account of the vast scope of electoral theft is Steven F. Freeman & Joel Bleifuss, “Was the 2004 presidential election stolen?  Exit polls, election fraud and the official count.”

Significantly, Palast claims he now has more than 500 of Rove’s missing E-mails which documentthat the U.S. attorney firing scandal centers on an intent to steal the 2008 election.

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By 911truthdotorg, May 17, 2007 at 9:54 pm Link to this comment

Patrick Henry -

You are absolutely correct! The 2000 selection was a
“legal” coup d’etat.

All the attention in FL was given to the “hanging chads” which was just a smoke screen. The reality is most of the precincts used electronic voting machines made by a corp called Diebold. In 2003, Diebold’s CEO guaranteed bush would “win” Ohio, and despite Kerry leading the exit polls, well, we know what happened.

Please watch this video showing how easy it is to break into and hack into one of these voting machines. It’s from Princeton. http://itpolicy.princeton.edu/voting/videos.html

Also watch the HBO documentary “Hacking Democracy” on Google video. Your head will explode.

bush/cheney/rove are like evil vermin infecting everything all at once.

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By Craig, May 17, 2007 at 8:05 pm Link to this comment
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What’s scary is the US Attorneys that weren’t fired.  We now have to question their integrity.  Were only the good ones fired?  Did only the worst remain?

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By DennisD, May 17, 2007 at 8:00 pm Link to this comment
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It’s been a coordinated (highly unusual for Bu$h) effort by Bu$h Inc. using every facet of government to achieve it’s goals. They have no fear of impeachment from their co-conspirators in Congress since their goal of destroying the United States as a democratic country is one and the same. I can’t wait to see Bu$h’s going out of business pardon list at the end of this country’s sentence in 09. 

Congress - just add the removal of the word “impeachment” for any government official in your next pork barrel spending bill or just add it to the new “amnesty for illegal alien” bill that just passed through the Senate like shit through a goose. If people think it can’t worse for this country just stay tuned. The give aways just keep on giving. Just ask the next rich person you meet.

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By THOMAS BILLIS, May 17, 2007 at 6:54 pm Link to this comment
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What did you think you would get electing a moron as President?Gore Vidal has said “every people gets the government it deserves”.Well people if you are dissatisfied look in the mirror.Go hide under a bed and when they tell you it is okay to come and vote run to the polling place and vote for the one who promises to keep your sorry ass safe and then run right back home and get under the bed.
I never thought I would live in a society that is so fearful that it would not care about anything but safety.When I say I am an American to me that means in part I make decisions based on reason not on unmitigated fear.What a legacy as Americans to pass down to our a children that as Americans we do not care about rights or liberty or anything else we are wimpering little babies who only care about saving our asses.The people who stormed Normandy must be crying to see what we have done to the freedom they died to give us.

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By PatrickHenry, May 17, 2007 at 5:13 pm Link to this comment

Those electronic voting machines which lack the verifiable paper trail necessary to allow a recount is where “they” got us.

The GOP and to a lesser degree the DNC recieve alot of campaign contributions from the same people they are awarding inflated contracts to.  What a racket.

Term limits and public funded campaigns with PBS access for all candidates 24/7.

We have to get the lobbies out of the act and tax the hell out of them, the megalithic churches too.  One mans religion is anothers dilemma.

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By Lily Maskew, May 17, 2007 at 5:13 pm Link to this comment
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It is amazing that this administration does not apper to know the difference between right and wrong.  They don’t know what corruption means.  Apparently we need new laws for them that spell out in words of one syllable things they cannot do.  They do things nobody else would even think of doing, and when called on it - they open their eyes wide and say “Why?”

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By rodney, May 17, 2007 at 4:30 pm Link to this comment
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Even with a democratic house and senate, it’s still difficult to stem the corruption that is and has been done by Bush and Cheney. They have no credibility so Gonzales,Rice and Wolfowitz don’t need any. The lies,deception,and corruption starts at the top. Our constitution is at the bottom of the pile of shit known as the Bush Adminstration.

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By Outraged, May 17, 2007 at 3:58 pm Link to this comment

I don’t agree with the arguement that we don’t have a prayer.  If Americans were truly as apathetic as some are proposing then why purge voters?  There would have been no need to go through all that!  Unless of course, those votes would have made all the difference, and that’s the real issue.

We are going down the right road with inquiries, investigations and indictments.  What was always true of this administration and the republican dominated congress was they wanted us to “believe” we didn’t have a chance.  That’s their game.  After they “took” control of the country, their shamelessness has been obnoxiously apparent.

But, they are NOT above the law.  The LAW has already made some gains.  These are ruthless people, have you ever seen these types merely step aside.  Now is the time to fight all the harder.  Support those in the positions to enforce those laws.  Keep voicing your opinion.  Don’t ever let them get you to “believe” you or your vote doesn’t count, not ever!

The illegal redistricting, firing of the U.S. attorneys and purging of votes only serves to VALIDATE the fact that those votes count!  AND THEY KNOW IT!

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By Josh Weltman, May 17, 2007 at 2:15 pm Link to this comment
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Great post. Please keep up the good work.

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By Scott, May 17, 2007 at 1:54 pm Link to this comment

All I can say is thank God Paris Hilton was released early.

It’s such a shame what the little people expect their better’s to put up with these day’s. They seem to think noblesse oblige just grows on trees or something.

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By 911truthdotorg, May 17, 2007 at 1:37 pm Link to this comment

Verne Arnold -

Outstanding post! You hit the nail right on the head.

The American sheeple don’t want to deal with the truth because it’s too hard. Because once they learn the truth, then they’ll have to do something. But they’re fat, apathetic and lazy. They’d rather just stay afraid and ignorant and let daddy bush keep them safe. They don’t want to learn that their daddy is really the wolf.

I know I must sound like a broken record, but **THE** issue that must be dealt with before anything can change for the better in this country is what REALLY happened on 9/11.

That is the house of cards that must come crashing down like the WTC. It is the foundation for everything this evil bush crime family has perpetrated on this country and planet.

Only when we learn the truth, and learn that this “war on terror” is a sham, can we begin to heal.

I have no delusions that there aren’t terrorists in this world, all I’m saying is that they didn’t do 9/11.

We better figure that out very quickly before this monster pulls off another fake terror attack, blames Iran, bombs Iran, declares martial law and cancels the 2008 election. If and when that happens, this country is done.

Google videos: 9/11 Press for Truth, Loose Change 2nd Edition

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By Leefeller, May 17, 2007 at 11:20 am Link to this comment

#70566 by Verne Arnold you are only one year ahead of me, I do not believe the peoples problem stems from cowardice, instead it comes from apathy and ignorance, which is redundant.  The government of the people has been taken over by special interests, who have agendas that do not care about the people.  Making more money in the name of business is the only business, small people and small business the carnage in the wake.

What we have here is a failure to impeach. Congress is supposed to represent the people, the interests of what is good for our nation as a whole.  Instead we get a self serving lot. who worry about their political parties instead of the Nation, who refuse to support the Constitution, and The Bill of Rights. We the people are short changed.  Our representative government is nothing more than whores to the highest bidder. My apologies to the ladies of the night, the worlds oldest profession.

Corruption is inherent only because most of our society gets most or all of its news from mass media (stretching the word news here)  A mass media controlled by special interests, hence the name mass media.  Television has worked hard to mold our society into apathetic consumers. People who sit and watch hours on end of commercials with program inclusions of tripe to keep them entertained.

My self serving goal is to glean as much information from the web and objective publications as I can.  The objective part is the hard part. 

Our Liberty is doomed to follow the political lemmings off the cliff.

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By Dale Headley, May 17, 2007 at 10:35 am Link to this comment
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There is no longer any serious doubt, from any quarter, that what Alberto Gonzales and his politicized DOJ have been doing is making it their mission to make certain Republicans are elected to Congress.  The dwindling number of Republicans defending Gonzales are clearly those who want the Department of Justice to continue doing what it’s doing.  For them, political domination trumps truth and justice.  For them, there is no nobler cause.

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By cann4ing, May 17, 2007 at 10:33 am Link to this comment

Those interested in the full ramifications of this scandal should watch Amy Goodman’s May 14, 2007 interview of Greg Palast at Democracy Now.org.  Palast, who claims to have more than 500 of Rove’s missing E-mails, asserts that the purge of U.S. Attorneys is intimitely connected to the Republican’s use of illegal “caging lists” that purged massive numbers of eligible minority voters.  What the Republican operatives would do was to mail letters to the homes of minority voters.  If the person doesn’t sign the letter and mail it back to the RNC, they would seek to remove their names from eligible voter rolls.  They wanted the U.S. Attorney’s to initiate bogus voter fraud actions against improperly purged individuals who would show up to vote.  When federal prosecutors refused to do Rove’s bidding, they were, themselves, purged.

Palast notes that Tim Griffin, the research director for the RNC and special assistant to Karl Rove was “the man in charge of the allegedly illegal caging operation.”  Griffin, Rove’s personal pick, became the U.S. Attorney for Arkansas, “a case of the perpetrator becomes the prosecutor.”

What is becoming increasingly apparant is that the cabal occupying the White House and the Justice Department will do everything possible to steal the 2008 election—lest those agencies be turned over to someone who might really get to the bottom of the crimes they committed over the past six years.

I would sincerely hope that Palast will turn over copies of the Rove “missing” E-mails to Sen. Leahy so as to accelerate the Senate Judiciary Committee inquiry into this criminal affair.

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By TexasToast, May 17, 2007 at 10:16 am Link to this comment
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Citing the DOJ statistic that “only a handful of people were convicted of voting illegally since ... 2002” misrepresents the fact that many more persons have illegally registered, and sometimes illegally voted without being prosecuted or convicted.

It seems the larger counties in Texas are purging some 100-250 persons a year from the voting roles because they are non-citizens.  As a percentage of all voters this is not a large number but it is at least an indication that the underlying problem should not be characterized only by convictions.

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By QuyTran, May 17, 2007 at 10:12 am Link to this comment

I need going to toilet right away when reading this article. My excrement’s odor is still better than all kinds of scandals made by this criminal administration ! Sorry it’s absolutely true.

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By Forkboy, May 17, 2007 at 9:27 am Link to this comment

Ah, another fine example of the current junta’s agenda of lying to the public.  They just love to scare everyone into believing whatever they need so that they might come in and save us from ourselves. 

Clearly voter fraud is rampant, regardless of the fact that the very US Attorneys this administration put into place COULDN’T find the smoking guns of fraud.  Never mind those missing WMDs, we were right to invade Iraq anyway as it’s certainly tied to 9/11. 

What is truly frightening isn’t that these things happen, but that there are those in this nation (Republicans) who still believe all the lies and think W & Co. are doing a damn fine job. 

Of course, this sort of level of delusion should be expected from a group of people who deny evolution and think that when they watch The Flintstones they are watching a documentary.

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By Verne Arnold, May 17, 2007 at 9:19 am Link to this comment

Never in my lifetime (62 years) have I seen so many laws broken and never have I seen the Constitution of America so violated.
What infuriates me is the complicity of the American people in this travesty.
We are asleep at the wheel or worse; we have allowed fear to rule our decisions.  Either way we are finished as a free people…we have squandered our freedom thru fear and cowardice.
Shame, shame on us!!!
The price we, and the world, will pay is beyond imagining…fast forward to hell!!!

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By James Yell, May 17, 2007 at 6:28 am Link to this comment
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The manipulatiion of who is to be investigated and charged by the outrageous behavior of Bush/Cheney and their power grab would not have happened if and
I will say once again that it was a mistake to allow Nixon an easy way out from impeachment and the strong likelyhood that he would be convicted. It made a mockery of the law and enforced the idea that politicians and political hacks may make up the rules as they go along. We have another example today of this mechanism. another Republican appointee just in this administration, having proved he is corrupt is now demanding that he be allowed to resign without being recognized for the fraud he was and has been and with the full backing of Bush.  would not happen if the Republican’s were made to follow their much trumpeted “holier than the Dems” rhetoric and take responsibility and the consequences of high crimes and misdemeanors.

Make no mistake active and aggressive illegal use of Presidential appointees and powers to derail an election is a CRIME. Impeach Bush/Cheney and even any old democratic leaders who are enabling this fraud to continue.

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By Margaret Currey, May 17, 2007 at 4:05 am Link to this comment
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Now will people believe that John Kerry really won the election? Will people also believe that Al Gore also won the election?

What this neocon government does next will not surprise me, what really surprises me is how did these clowns get into the office especially how Carl Rove can get so important in the affairs of running the country, which looks like Bush is just a dummy and someone else is pulling the strings of this president.

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