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Posted on Mar 26, 2007
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An exhibit depicting two archeologists coming to very different conclusions while unearthing the same skeleton is part of the Creation Museum, now under construction near Petersburg, Ky.  Ken Ham’s $25-million facility will argue that God created the Earth and its inhabitants just a few thousand years ago—never mind what modern science says.

By Chris Hedges

“Before they seize power and establish a world according to their doctrines, totalitarian movements conjure up a lying world of consistency which is more adequate to the needs of the human mind than reality itself; in which, through sheer imagination, uprooted masses can feel at home and are spared the never-ending shocks which real life and real experiences deal to human beings and their expectations.  The force possessed by totalitarian propaganda—before the movements have the power to drop iron curtains to prevent anyone’s disturbing, by the slightest reality, the gruesome quiet of an entirely imaginary world—lies in its ability to shut the masses off from the real world.”

                        —Hannah Arendt, “The Origins of Totalitarianism”

In the middle of the lobby of the 50,000-square-foot Creation Museum in Petersburg, Ky., a 20-foot waterfall tumbles. Two life-size figures of children with long black hair and in buckskin clothes play in the stream a few feet from two towering Tyrannosaurus Rex models that can move and roar. The museum, which cost $25 million to build and has a sea of black asphalt parking lots for school buses, has a scale model of Noah’s ark that shows how Noah solved the problem of fitting dinosaurs into the three levels of the vessel—he loaded only baby dinosaurs.  And on the wooden model, infant dinosaurs cavort with horses, giraffes, hippopotamuses, penguins and bears.  There is an elaborate display of the Garden of Eden, where Adam and Eve, naked but strategically positioned so as not to display breasts or genitals, swim in a river as giant dinosaurs and lizards roam the banks. 

Before Adam and Eve were expelled from paradise, museum visitors are told, all of the dinosaurs were peaceable plant-eaters.  The evidence is found in Genesis 1:30, where God gives “green herb” to every creature to eat.  There were no predators.  T-Rex had such big teeth, the museum explains, so it could open coconuts.  Only after Adam and Eve sinned and were cast out of paradise did the dinosaurs start to eat flesh.  And Adam’s sin is a key component of the belief system, for in the eyes of many creationists, in order for Jesus’ death to be meaningful it had to atone for Adam’s first sin. 

The museum has a theater equipped with seats that shake and gadgets that spray mist at the audience as the story of God’s six-day creation of the world unfolds on the screen and the sound system rocks the auditorium.  There are 30-foot-high walls that represent the cliffs of the Grand Canyon, floors that resemble rocks embedded with fossils, and rooms where a “Christian” paleontologist counters the claims of an “evolutionist” paleontologist.  It has the appearance of a real science museum, complete with a planetarium, a gift shop and plaques on the wall with quotes from creationist “scientists” who have the title doctor conspicuously before their names.  It has charts, timelines and graphs with facts and figures.  It is meant to be interactive, to create, like Universal Studios, a contrived reality with an array of costly animatronic men and women as well as moving dinosaurs. 

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The danger of creationism is that, like the pseudo-science of Nazi eugenics, it allows facts to be accepted or discarded according to the dictates of a preordained ideology.  Creationism removes the follower from the rational, reality-based world.  Signs, miracles and wonders occur not only in the daily life of Christians but in history, science, medicine and logic.  The belief system becomes the basis to understand the world.  Random facts and data are collected and made to fit into this belief system or discarded.  When facts are treated as if they were opinions, when there is no universal standard to determine truth, in law, in science, in scholarship, or in the reporting of the events of the day, the world becomes a place where people can believe what they want to believe, where there is no possibility of reaching any conclusion not predetermined by those who interpret the official, divinely inspired text.  This is the goal of creationists.

Other creationist museums are going up in Arkansas, Texas, California, Tennessee and Florida.  Museums are part of a massive push to teach creationism in schools, part of a vast Christian publishing and filmmaking industry that seeks to rewrite the past and make it conform to the Bible.  The front lines of the culture wars are the classrooms.  The battle is one we are slowly losing.  Twenty states are considering changing the way evolution is taught in order to include creationism or intelligent design.1  Only 13 percent of Americans in a 2004 Gallup poll, when asked for their views on human origins, said life arose from the strictly natural process of evolution.  More than 38 percent said they believed God guided evolution, and 45 percent said the Genesis account of creation was a true story.2  Courses on intelligent design have been taught at Minnesota, Georgia, New Mexico and Iowa State universities, along with Wake Forest and Carnegie Mellon*, not to mention Christian universities that teach all science through the prism of the Bible. 

The museum is an illustration of the movement’s marriage of primitive and intolerant beliefs with the modern tools of technology, mass communication, sophisticated fundraising and political organization.  Totalitarian systems usually start as propagandistic movements that ostensibly teach people to “believe what they want.”  This is a ruse.  This primacy of personal opinion, regardless of facts, destabilizes and destroys the primacy of all facts.  This process leads inevitably to the big lie.  Facts are useful only if they bolster the message. The use of mass-marketing techniques to persuade and convince, rather than brainwash, has led tens of millions of followers to accept the toxic totalitarian line by tricking them into believing it’s their own.  Ironically, at the outset the movement seemingly encourages people to think “independently” or “courageously.” 

At first all have, in the totalitarian belief system, a right to an opinion, or, in short, a right to believe anything.  Soon, under the iron control of an empowered totalitarian movement, facts become worthless, kept or discarded according to an ideological litmus test.  And once these movements achieve power, facts are ruthlessly manipulated or kept hidden to support the lie.  Creationism is not about offering an alternative.  Its goal is the destruction of the core values of the open society—the ability to think for oneself, to draw independent conclusions, to express dissent when judgment and common sense tell you something is wrong, to be self-critical, to challenge authority, to advocate for change and to accept that there are other views, different ways of being, that are morally and socially acceptable.  We are beginning to see the growing intolerance that comes with the empowerment of these ideologues. There is a bill in the Texas Legislature to strip all mention of evolution from Texas school textbooks and institute mandatory Bible classes for all students.  This is just the start.

And yet, coming from the modern age, these Christo-fascists cannot discount science.  They employ jargon, methods and data that appear to be science, to make an argument for creationism.  They have created parallel research and scholarly institutions.  They pump out articles in self-published journals to provide “evidence” that homosexuals can be cured, that global warming is a myth, that abortion can cause breast cancer, that something they call “post-abortion syndrome” leads to deep depression and suicide and that abstinence-only education is an effective form of birth control.  This pseudo-science has seeped into the public debate.  It is disseminated by nervous and timid media anxious to give both sides in every argument.  Those who have contempt for facts and truth, for honest research and inquiry, are given the same platform by the press as those who deal in a world of reality, fact and rationality. 

The movement desperately needs the imprint of science to legitimize itself.  It achieves this imprint by discrediting real science and claiming creationist science as true science.  All attempts to argue the creationists out of their mythical belief, to persuade them with logic, evidence, scientific inquiry and fact, will fail.  They have created a “fundamentalist science.”  They know they cannot return to the pre-Darwinian innocence that let them believe the Bible alone was enough.  They need, in the midst of their flight from reality, to reassure their followers that science, science not contaminated by secular humanists and nonbelievers, is on their side.  In this they are a distinctly modern movement.  They seek the imprint of science and scholarship to legitimize myth.  This is a characteristic they share with all modern totalitarian movements, which co-opt the disciplines of law, science, medicine and scholarship to give a modern veneer to their primitive and superstitious belief systems, systems that allow the rulers to dictate reality and truth.  The “paraprofessional” organizations formed by the Christian right, organizations of teachers, journalists, doctors, lawyers and scientists, mimic the activities of real professional groups.  They seek to challenge the legitimacy and the power of the traditional organizations.  The duplication of the structures and methods employed by the non-totalitarian world, the use of pseudo-science to dress up fantasy, is slowly undermining our legitimate scientific and educational institutions.  It is destroying the foundations of our open society.  It is ushering us into a world where lies are true.

* Correction: A representative of Carnegie Mellon University states “Carnegie Mellon University does not teach a course on intelligent design. The contemporary issue of intelligent design is sometimes raised in discourse in courses such as Christianity and Science: A Multidisciplinary Approach. This fulfills an elective in the religious studies minor.”

1 Scott LaFee, “Local scientists, doctors and professors talk about ‘intelligent design,’ ” The San Diego Union-Tribune, F-1, June 8, 2005.

2 Frank Newport, “Third of Americans Say Evidence Has Supported Darwin’s Evolution Theory,” The Gallup Poll, Nov. 19, 2004, http://poll.gallup.com/content/default.aspx?ci=14107&pg=1.


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By Jim H., May 6, 2007 at 2:32 pm Link to this comment
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Re: 68356 by Ernest Canning
(This is my “lengthy rant” (response) ‘requested’ by Earnest Canning to his post admitting his lies about me!)

This guy Earnest Canning is not only a fool, but an admitted liar as well!  Who, for some unfathomable purpose sees fit to make uncalled for lying assertions and snide remarks while defending and promoting a couple of religious fanatics against the barbs I cast at their ‘fallacious’ ‘Godism’.  Although he readily admits to some of his bigoted debasing lies, he fails to account for his failure to know the facts before sinking to the level of a snake and casting his uncalled for aspersions. And, in his effort to cast a ‘smokescreen’ to minimize the extent of his egregiousness, he resorts to more uncalled for malicious remarks hoping no doubt, that others may be influenced to side with him and overlook his horrible bigotry. And, when I, ‘naturally’ took offense at his admitted unwarranted derogatory remarks, as any sensible person would, and asked: “Is it your custom to start by inserting your nose where it doesn’t belong! while emulating those you see fit to congratulate for doing the very same!, i.e., totally avoiding the SUBJECT at hand.”
‘Don’t you know’ this ‘Joker’ had to go and twist these carefully chosen words to: 

“He suggested that I had no right to inject myself into his dialogue—as if the comment section at Truthdig was his personal domain”. (?)
And then, ‘Earnest Canning’ says: ” It is my profound hope that all Truthdig readers stop responding to Jim”

NOW!  JUST ‘WHO’  THINKS HE OWNS Truthdig?

No one takes offense at properly expressed criticism that is not whimsical, vicious, or ‘bitchy’. But when one goes ‘out on a limb’ to be unnecessarily crude to the point of obscenity with lying innuendo, that person, ‘must be called to account’! 
Now, Earnest, don’t mess up your Alb with sputtering spittle while fuming at being called the big boob you appear to be!

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By Jim H., May 6, 2007 at 10:05 am Link to this comment
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Re: #68321 5/05 at 4:19 am (?)
Keeping you up? Am I?
And now, you are spouting more of your pedantic sanctimonious
Godist religious bigotry?  Is that all you are good for?
Your worthless words do not show the least interest or
respect for the subject of this venue. Perhaps it is over your head?
And, why are you crying for help?  20 fools do not a sane man make!
And, you won’t find 20 ‘vulgar’ cohorts here!

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By Jim H., May 5, 2007 at 8:59 pm Link to this comment
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Re: 68356 by Ernest Canning
(This is my “lengthy rant” (response) ‘requested’ by Earnest Canning to his post admitting his lies about me!)

This guy Earnest Canning is not only a fool, but an admitted liar as well!  Who, for some unfathomable purpose sees fit to make uncalled for, lying assertions and snide remarks while defending and promoting a couple of religious fanatics against the barbs I cast at their ‘fallacious’ ‘Godism’.  Although he readily admits to some of his bigoted debasing lies, he fails to account for his failure to know the facts before sinking to the level of a snake and casting his uncalled for aspersions. And, in his effort to cast a ‘smokescreen’ to minimize the extent of his egregiousness, he resorts to more uncalled for malicious remarks hoping no doubt, that others may be influenced to side with him and overlook his horrible bigotry. And, when I, ‘naturally’ took offense at his admitted unwarranted derogatory remarks, as any sensible person would, and asked: “Is it your custom to start by inserting your nose where it doesn’t belong! while emulating those you see fit to congratulate for doing the very same!, i.e., totally avoiding the SUBJECT at hand.”
‘Don’t you know’ this ‘Joker’ had to go and twist these carefully chosen words to: 

“He suggested that I had no right to inject myself into his dialogue—as if the comment section at Truthdig was his personal domain”. (?)

And then, ‘Earnest Canning’ says: ” It is my profound hope that all Truthdig readers stop responding to Jim”

NOW!  JUST ‘WHO’  THINKS HE OWNS Truthdig?

No one takes offense at properly expressed criticism that is not whimsical, vicious, or ‘bitchy’. But when one goes ‘out on a limb’ to be unnecessarily crude to the point of obscenity with lying innuendo, that person, ‘must be called to account’! 
Now, Earnest, don’t mess up your Alb with sputtering spittle while fuming at being called the big boob you appear to be!

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By cann4ing, May 5, 2007 at 10:35 am Link to this comment

re comment #68321 by Agree w/Doc.  While I know this will trigger another lengthy rant from Jim H, I am hopeful that it will be one of the last.  His mumblings are so irrational that I mistakenly thought he was arguing on behalf of religion when in fact he was arguing against it.  For that mistake, and admittedly it was a mistake on my part, I was treated to a lengthy, rambling and insulting diatribe.  He suggested that I had no right to inject myself into his dialogue—as if the comment section at Truthdig was his personal domain.

It is my profound hope that all Truthdig readers stop responding to Jim H.  After a time, perhaps he will get tired of talking to himself, and go away!

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By Agree w/Doc, May 5, 2007 at 5:19 am Link to this comment
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re: Jim H

Get help buddy. I bet 20 out of 20 people on here agree you need it.
For now…........go wallow in your own slop.

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By Jim H., May 4, 2007 at 9:36 pm Link to this comment
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RE: #68265 Unregistering?
“You say: “Are you on crack, alcohol, and meth at the same time? It seems that way!!!!!”
You could only know that “it seems that way!!!!!” if you are a ‘JUNKIE’, which perhaps helps to explain your agressive confusion, and how you got misled into that evil charlatans web peopled by child molesters. Why are you visiting our once pleasantly quiet ‘ancampment’? Your apparent knowledge (when you’re not ‘kicking the gong’), should grant you inroads to the higher learning you need to rid yourself (at least) of that mentally debilitating ‘Godism’.
I promise never to “talk” to you!  Thanks for reading all my delightful and succinct postings! Ciao Jim

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By Agree w/Doc, May 4, 2007 at 6:17 pm Link to this comment
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Re: Jim H.

Are you on crack, alcohol, and meth at the same time? It seems that way!!!!! Whatever, get help and don’t talk to me until you do. You type nothing but wasted garbage. It almost looks like UNIX programming information that was affected by a serious computer virus. Senseless.

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By Jim H., May 4, 2007 at 9:55 am Link to this comment
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Re: 670905 Incognito? Hiding something?
Speaking from personal experience are you? When did you awaken from that stupor and insane concept of Natures World, that led you to once believe in that fairyland concept which is the antithisis of reason? Or are you a BORDERLINE case still hanging from the tree-limb of sanity? Never mind; so long as you keep reading and researching, theres still hope! But, try not to show so much of your BIGOTRY, and be a bit more direct in your assessment of just exactly what it is that ‘you’ ‘DO’ belive! Share with us the proof of, ‘it’, and how your REASON led you to ‘it’! Then, perhaps some here will offer assistance that may help resolve your confusion, and dilemma!

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By Agree w/Doc, May 3, 2007 at 4:33 am Link to this comment
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A college education does not prevent you from having mental illness, it will not give you common sense, or keep you from going to hell. Wisdom comes from God alone. Too many people on this website think they are all that, however, they are so shallow and simple. It ‘s a reflection of our confused and misled environment and the failing education system Doc speaks of.

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By Jim H., May 2, 2007 at 7:35 pm Link to this comment
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Real? McCoy;
 
Why not: “Jack and the Beanstalk”, “Little Orphan Annie” “Donald Duck”, “Flash Gordon” “Buck Rogers” “The Green Hornet” and “Supermouse” along with those other ‘fairytales’?

THERE NEVER!, NEVER!, WAS A JESUS! YOU ARE PROMOTING CRIME!  Wake up!  Stop promoting that Ponzi-like racketeering scheme that coerces children and fools into performing atrocious sex acts! 
THE MAKE-BELIEVE JESUS!
After the recent discovery of Essene documents at Kimberth Qumran (Palestine) it has been proven that Jesus was the result of an artificial construction operated by falsifiers in the second century.
And: Former Priest, Luigi Cascioli says “Jesus never existed” in his book, ‘The Fable of Christ’
He has a lawsuit pending against Catholic Hierarchy to show their proof! Signor Cascioli?s contention is that there was no reliable evidence that Jesus lived and died in 1st-century Palestine and, therefore, “there is no basis for Christianity”! 
RELIGION IS A ‘PONZI SCHEME’! A CRIMINAL ENTERPRIZE!
THE PUTRID PUKE OF DISTORTED MINDS!
There is no excuse for intelligent people to be so ignorant of facts about the charlatan fantasies and make-believe pretenses of religion, that works to undermine the true Democratic principles and unifying influences of our Democratic Society. To promote, propagate, profligate or publish the same pretentious and pompous falsehoods that are the evil tools used by Fallwell, Baker, Haggard, the Pope, and their ilk to brainwash, indoctrinate, brand, and subjugate innocent children and fools for the purpose of using them to gain ever more money, power, and divisive influence, is tantamount to supporting pimping, and prostitution. And because those charlatans use their evil schemes and lies to control, and enslave those misled ‘bovid-like’ droves by rendering them ‘virtual’ robots that do their bidding; they are criminals, and by supporting them, ‘you’, are a criminal cohort, equally guilty of the crimes they commit against humanity, those fools, and the children they sexually molest!
THE WORST FORM OF CHILD ABUSE IS WARPING OF THE MIND!
THE ORIGIN OF NATURE
  Beginning is never found but keep an ear to the ground
  Accept the word of a friend there’s no beginning or end
Nature origin for instance is ceaselessness Existence
JH 8/29/06

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By doc mccoy, May 2, 2007 at 6:12 pm Link to this comment
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We have Don Imus calling people ho’s, bitches, and the “n-word.” We have Rosey O’Donald saying the U.S. Government was complicit in the 9/11 attack. We have rap “artists” denigrating women in the most vile fashion and so-called Afro-American leaders defending them. We have a 70% un-wed mother incidence in the Afro-American community. We have meth labs, cokeheads, and alcoholism. We have failing schools and a 50 percent divorce rate. And Hedges thinks he needs the attack the Christian community? I’ve got news for you, Chris. Christianity is the answer, not the problem. Too bad you didn’t learn that at Yale or wherever you were hatched.You’re another sad example of an educated fool. But hey, it sells books doesn’t it. If you can’t make it with the NY Slimes, writea book, any book. It worked for Michael Moore and Al Franken, those paragons of personal integrity, so I’m sure you’ll succeed too. Whatever the faults of the “Christian Right,” I greatly prefer it over the excesses of the secular left, as do those you attack. Adversity makes us stronger, so heap it on, dude. I’m eagerly anticipating the release of your next book, “Falwell, Kennedy, and Dobson and the 9/11 Conspiracy.”

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By Jim H., May 2, 2007 at 8:56 am Link to this comment
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“CREATOR”?
“Faith” is the ‘antithesis’ of reason!
Who, or what created your “Creator”?  And, who, or what created that which, created the who, or what, that created ‘YOUR’ “CREATOR”? Or; what, created the creator, that created the creator, that created the creator, that created the creator, that created ‘YOUR’ “CREATOR”?
If you accept what is taught by the criminal charlatan purveyors of that “Godism” you believe in, you therefore believe that your make-believe “God” “ALWAYS WAS”! Or, WAS “WITHOUT A BEGINNING”? which in fact, is a valid description of the “ORIGIN OF NATURE”!  And, when a beginning cannot be determined, or found, a ‘so called’ “Creator” is a superflous absurdity!  For simple minded people to better comprehend this seeming dichotomy, I suggest you, and they ‘stare at’, and concentrate on a ‘circle’, and, point to a begining! or, a ‘creation’ point!  Then, when you ‘give up’, read this:
THE ORIGIN OF NATURE
Beginning is never found but keep an ear to the ground
Accept the word of a friend there’s no beginning or end
Natures origin for instance is ceaselessness Existence
Jim H. 8/29/06
Your “Jesus” is a fairytale character like “Porky Pig” and “Mickey Mouse”!

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By Jim H., April 30, 2007 at 9:59 pm Link to this comment
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Dis-Ernest?
Your words: “——irrational response—-was precisely what one would expect from a thoroughly indoctrinated, “true believer.” ” (?)  Is it your custom to start by inserting your nose where it doesn’t belong!, while emulating those you see fit to congratulate for doing the very same!,  i.e. totally avoiding the SUBJECT at hand, the extent of which your “thought provoking” seems to be a mere mention? I wonder what you hope to accomplish by implying an outright lie about someone who shrinks from all you who parrot that horrible mind warping infectious ‘plague’ that among other things causes you to totally distort facts in an effort to somehow ease your mental suffering from the same burden as your cohort David; that of living a life of idiocy!  Supporting a simple minded “Goddist” while critisizing a NON-BELIEVER ‘brands’ you, ‘one ot them’, which, to some degree explains your simplistic urge to “discredit the messenger”?
Being so totally screwd-up, and mis-informed as you are, I don’t auppose it helps to suggest you talk to someone older and wiser about definition of words, and the difference between: a NON-BELIEVER, and, someone who has been brainwashed, mesmerized, branded and, ‘truly’ “indoctrinated” into a fairytale world where thinking is a “sin”, and one must honor, support, and pay an ‘agent’ of a ‘makebelieve’ “God” for grace given for atonement for ‘supposed’ absurd ‘violations’, never committed, called"original sins”!
And, being the ‘enslaved’ ‘robots’ the ‘flock’ are, they are the ‘un-witting’ or ‘knowledgeable’ henchmen of a bunch of racketeering ponzi-schemeing criminal charlatans that rape little kids after taking their pennies to helps pay for their mansions and their membership dues to a foreign entity the Pope in The Vatican. 
Some of these ‘lambs’ don’t realize that they have joined a ‘gang of lying theives’ and that because of their membership, and aquiescence, and helping these low life felons, they too are criminals!

Furthermore, there are some imberciles, of which you have here committed to being one, who have the audacity to pressume that because someone knows such things as “God” Mickey mouse, Donald Duck, Jimminy Cicket, Flash Gordon, The Old Lady Who Lived In A Shoe, Santa Clause, and “Jesus Christ” are all make believe fairytales, this knowledge, and refusal to accept any one of these as factual, and does not believe in a so called “Creator God” this makes him the member of some other sort of “doctrine” which some refer to as “atheism”!
But let me be the first? to offer a bit of enlightenment: when someone lives in the REAL WORLD, they naturally, do not believe in many things ‘they ‘know’ absolutely’, to be lies, and crooked schemes meant to cheat, and take       advantage of innocents, and fools.  And, when they say they do not believe something it does not mean they have steeped themselves in a “DOCTRINE’!  An intelligent person has no need of a “DOCTRINE” or to be “indoctrinated” to help him decide between fact and fiction! Even fools like you should comprehend this!                             

  But, some of you idiots finding it impossible to accept the fact that there are (sensible) people who do not share your idiocy, or see a need for a special identity to designate non-believers,  and, not wanting to face the fact that anyone could possibly be a non-believer and be inelligent, and not wanting to spread the idea of non-belief by repeating the term, they instead came up with the idea of calling ALL non-believers “atheists” and then insisting that it too is a “DOCTRINE”, when in fact, this is just another lie.
So, anyone who ‘insists’ on calling a non-believer “indoctrinated” and/or “atheist” is certainly a “Godist” and does so in defense of their insane IGNORANCE!

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By cann4ing, April 30, 2007 at 5:23 pm Link to this comment

Re comment #67025 by David from Florida.  I congratulate you on providing a succinct definition of secular humanism.  Unfortunately, the irrational response you received from Jim H. was precisely what one would expect from a thoroughly indoctrinated, “true believer.”

Marx was fairly accurate in describing religion as the opiate of the masses.  Challenging the irrational belief systems of the indoctrinated, be they religious or fascist, or a combination of the two, is analogous to withholding drugs from an addict.  It disrupts the level of comfort furnished by (a) religious belief, (b) belief in the Fuhrer, or (c) drug induced stupor.  It explains why Mr. Hedges thought-provoking article, “A World Where Lies are True,” has generated more comments than any other article on this web site.

It’s almost as if the entire internet was tilted towards this one piece, and all the loose nuts rolled into these comments.

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By Jim H., April 30, 2007 at 8:09 am Link to this comment
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David f.f.;
I cannot conceive of what makes the likes of you so rash, critical, and pedantically presumptive?
You are like a little child, repeatedly seeking to have ‘your own way’ while always digressing from the subject ‘at hand’!  Why must you be repeatedly reminded that ‘I’ am not the subject of this venue? And if you are more concerned with evaluating personalities, and using the overt feminine characteristics of your nature merely to show how ‘catty’ you can be while pretending to be otherwise, why not join a ‘knitting bee’ or some other venue where you can make better use of that side?

You asked: “Please if you have any info or sites I can study please share.” (note the: “please” please”! share?) And, I accommodated your request!  There is absolutely nothing in my response to your plea to indicate, or imply anything that warrants, or justifies the presumptuousness you seem to thrill at using in your ceaseless attempt to “Discredit the messenger”? Apparently, your “Please”—-“please share” was a form of subterfuge intended to disarm me so I would acquiesce in providing you with materiel you could turn against me? Another most ‘Christian’ attribute!

I mistakenly believed you wished to know the how, why, and wherefore one could rid themselves of that ridiculous ‘God-monkey on their back’! And that you were serious about recovering the sanity once lost to all that preposterous lying scam? But no, your request was just the usual two-faced “Christian” duality!  And, as a verification of the implicit ‘LIE’ of your plea you have stated: “Thanks for the “ammo” though”!  Which is a clear indication of your DUPLICITOUS nature!

However, I am not sorry for directing you to that site. I am glad you have had an opportunity to see what you!, ‘ESPECIALLY YOU’! should be striving to emulate, in your weak efforts to become a man!  You say:
“They affirm that we must take responsibility for our own lives and the communities and world in which we live. Secular Humanism emphasizes REASON and scientific inquiry, individual freedom and RESPONSIBILITY, human VALUES and COMPASSION, and the need for TOLERANCE and COOPERATION.” I see that you have capitalized all the descriptions af attributes you are deprived of, and lacking, and that you need ‘desperately’ to cultivate! The IMPORRTANT part of all this is that you have gotten an insight into an alternative to your makebelieve fairytale hypocritical BIGOTED “Godism’!  And, I was the instrument, and ‘proselytiser’ you must thank!    Now! Read the books I recommended!    Ciao!

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By Jim H., April 29, 2007 at 11:16 am Link to this comment
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David f.f.;
I cannot conceive of what makes the likes of you so rash, critical, and pedantically presumptive?
You are like a little child, repeatedly seeking to have ‘your own way’ while always digressing from the subject ‘at hand’!  Why must you be repeatedly reminded that ‘I’ am not the subject of this venue? And if you are more concerned with evaluating personalities, and using the overt feminine characteristics of your nature merely to show how ‘catty’ you can be while pretending to be otherwise, why not join a ‘knitting bee’ or some other venue where you can make better use of that side?

You asked: “Please if you have any info or sites I can study please share.” (note the: “please” please”! share?) And, I accommodated your request!  There is absolutely nothing in my response to your plea to indicate, or imply anything that warrants, or justifies the presumptuousness you seem to thrill at using in your ceaseless attempt to “Discredit the messenger”? Apparently, your “Please”—-“please share” was a form of subterfuge intended to disarm me so I would acquiesce in providing you with materiel you could turn against me? Another most ‘Christian’ attribute!

I mistakenly believed you wished to know the how, why, and wherefore one could rid themselves of that ridiculous ‘God-monkey on their back’! And that you were serious about recovering the sanity once lost to all that preposterous lying scam? But no, your request was just the usual two-faced “Christian” duality!  And, as a verification of the implicit ‘LIE’ of your plea you have stated: “Thanks for the “ammo” though”!  Which is a clear indication of your DUPLICITOUS nature!

However, I am not sorry for directing you to that site. I am glad you have had an opportunity to see what you!, ‘ESPECIALLY YOU’! should be striving to emulate, in your weak efforts to become a man!  You say:
“They affirm that we must take responsibility for our own lives and the communities and world in which we live. Secular Humanism emphasizes REASON and scientific inquiry, individual freedom and RESPONSIBILITY, human VALUES and COMPASSION, and the need for TOLERANCE and COOPERATION.” I see that you have capitalized all the descriptions af attributes you are deprived of, and lacking, and that you need ‘desperately’ to cultivate! The IMPORRTANT part of all this is that you have gotten an insight into an alternative to your makebelieve fairytale hypocritical BIGOTED “Godism’!  And, I was the instrument, and ‘proselytiser’ you must thank!    Now! Read the books I recommended!    Ciao!

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By David from Florida, April 28, 2007 at 4:41 pm Link to this comment
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Jim H.
Went to one of the websites you gave me. Below I have copied the following statement: Jim, this by no means describes you:

Secular Humanism is a way of thinking and living that aims to bring out the BEST in people so that all people can have the best in life. Secular humanists reject supernatural and authoritarian beliefs. They affirm that we must take responsibility for our own lives and the communities and world in which we live. Secular humanism emphasizes REASON and scientific inquiry, individual freedom and RESPONSIBILITY, human VALUES and COMPASSION, and the need for TOLERANCE and COOPERATION.

I have capitalized all the descriptions that don’t apply to you.

Dude, you have joined the wrong club!!!
Thanks for the “ammo” though
David from Florida

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By Jim H>, April 28, 2007 at 3:33 pm Link to this comment
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David f.f.
I have no idea what that ‘entity’ is that you refer to that I “—-shall no longer acknowledge the existance of”?
My statement, “reflects” my ability, and “right” to ignore imberciles! That ‘entity’ does not exist in my part of the world!  And very likely YOU too, will shortly be relogated to a nonety in my realm! Everyone has the right to ignore the ‘existance’ of whatever they find deplorable. We, each of us, has an specific personal envrionment which we have every right to control as we see fit! Your ego, and long nose no doubt prevents you from getting close enough to your reading materiel to deduce the realities delienated there? The fact is: that ‘YOU’ lie when you say “—-reflects your abilty to ignore truth”! I reiterate: I have every right to refuse access to My World’,‘My Environment’, ‘My Realm’, and to state that as far as I am concerned whatever I wish to deny exists in my world, does not exist in my world!  That is TRUTH!  NOT: “ignoring truth”!
You say: “—-in my studies of archeology there has been nothing ever found to disprove the Bible.”
Archeology is a “Science”! Science is not about fairytales, novels, or absurd writings of coercive charlatans who delight in warping the minds of innocent children and fools, enslaving them, and exacting from them remuneration in the form of: their docility, money, surrender, support and promotion of their lies, and sometimes sex in the form of rape, especially from the tiniest in-defensible tots. To expect science to take any interest in “Bible” is like expecting science to busy themselves in the study of fairytales like: “Donald Duck”, ” Mickey Mouse”, “Litttle Orphan Annie: etc., etc.! What would be the point? What benefit could possibly come from studying a pornographic mess of stupid assertions, lies, inuendos, and suggestions of who and how to “kill”, “stone to death” and “pillory” for not believing the same thing you do?
Archeology, like all other Sciences, is concerned with uncovering ‘facts’, if there is any one fact contained within the covers of that book of garbage it is co-incidental, an accident, or attempt to lend some authenticity to a load of preposterous, gargantuan absurdities! It’s best use is ‘kindling’!  You say”—-there are numerous findings (?) that acknowledge the credibility (?) of the Bible.” Your so called “findings” are the work of the same ilk that assembled that crock of B/S in the first place! A bunch of lying criminals who have been, and are perpetuating the ponzi-scheme to this day! They looked in the bottom of a septic tank with clothespins on their noses, and, “Look What I Found”! ‘It’ is one of the tools used to confuse innocent children and stupid people into believing they need an agent to present their case to a makebelieve Idol.
You (politely) ask for “sites’?  Try these: http://www.centerforinquiry.net/cser/  http://www.csicop.org/si/  http://www.csicop.org/si/. I also recomment these books: “The End Of Faith” Sam Harris, “The God Delusion” Richard Dawkins,  “God: The Failed Hypothesis” Victor Steiger, “Letter to a Christian Nation” Sam Harris, “God is not Great, Christopher Hitchens, “Atheism Universe” David Mills, “Atheism The Case Against God, George H. Smith. And some time, perhaps in a year od two, I’ll be recommending my caustic critique of “GODISM”!        Dictionary—- Bible:  A book or collection of writings.(!)
THE ORIGIN OF NATURE:  Beginning is never found
Accept the word of a friend there’s no beginning or end
Natures origin for instance is ceaselessness existence

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By Mrs. Humphrey, April 28, 2007 at 2:18 pm Link to this comment
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Dear Myron H:
Sorry you feel the way you do. But that is your personal choice. I most certainly accept that.
Since you continue to attack me personally and rely on the books and magazines you find in stores and libraries for truth, I think it is proper that I leave you alone now. I never thought you would listen anyway. But you have given me the opportunity to speak what God has placed in my heart to every person who is out there reading this. You see what satan means for evil, God turns around for good. God has been good to me my whole life; by giving me wonderful parents, a loving and encouraging husband, two beautiful children, a wonderful career with Christ, friends that know Jesus and ones that don’t, and a church that is changing the world right now. He has placed opportunities in my life I never ever imagined would open to me. Have I had any bad things happen in my life? Sure, too many to writeon this site. However, I praise God for every bad thing that ever happened to me to this day - for those are the very areas that I am able to help others in. Thank you for the opportunity you and Jim H. gave me to express myself. I couldn’t have ever done it without you! (Just for the record my deceased father was at one time the United States checker champion. It’s all about strategy you know.) Thank you Jesus for using MyronH and Jim H to help me spread the truth. Jesus you are so awesome!!!! For those of you that love Christ, we ask for your prayers. Please pray for God to place us in the paths of those who don’t know the truth. Even if it is in a verbally hostile environment like this site. smile

PS. By the way, David from Florida is that encouraging wonderful husband!!! He is a unique man that studies all sides of everything. All warriors must know the enemy and his territory. My husband is my warrior. (You atheists should get busy and start studying what we know). 
   
Blessings to all of you, it has been so interesting,  Mr and Mrs. David Humphrey from Florida.

(take that devil)

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By Mrs.Humphrey, April 28, 2007 at 11:51 am Link to this comment
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The Lord has done great things for us and we are filled with joy   Psalm 126:3

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By MyronH, April 28, 2007 at 8:22 am Link to this comment
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David and Mrs. Humphrey may be representing the same religious cult in the Florida area. They are both starting to cultivate the same crop of fairy-tales. One can read Alice in Wonderland 100 times and it is still a fairy-tale. I was indoctrinated into the Old and the New Testament 60-plus years ago. They contain so many contradictions and if some is true, it is obvious that religion represents the worst of mankind. The older I get, and the more I read, I realize religion prevents mankind from evolving at the pace that evolution naturally provides.  I am and have been an avid reader of science, biology, history and technology books and magazines since the age of 10. I don’t read fiction and am not about to re-start.

I know a woman that sounds exactly like Mrs. Humphrey. Jesus also walks with her and talks to her. Ask any faithful church-goer that knows her and they will tell you she is a mean self-centered individual that has lost all her friends and relatives. Most reasonable educated people that profess to believe in god realize that religion is useful as a social and family event. Obviously, they don’t follow all the practices dictated by the bible and their religious leader.

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By David from Florida, April 27, 2007 at 6:23 pm Link to this comment
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Jim H:
You told Mrs. Humphrey that you will no longer acknowledge her existence. But she does exist. The proof, the writings on this comment site by her. This statement reflects your ability to ignore truth and shut it out. Now what am I doing here? I have read this article and in my studies of archeology there has been nothing ever found to disprove the Bible. But there has been numerous findings that acknowledge the credibility of the Bible.These are truths. If you like to see these findings please go to http://www.biblicalarcheology.net or http://www.digbible.org. Please if you have any info or sites I can study please share. Thank You

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By Mrs. Humphrey, April 27, 2007 at 5:27 pm Link to this comment
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Hi MyronH:
Glad to hear you’re still out there. I was wondering what happened to you. smile I understand where you are coming from because you haven’t experienced what I have for the past 8 + years. 

For me: Talking to God is “prayer”
      Hearing God is a small internal voice (not
      an audible one) 
      Acting on the voice is called “serving Him”

This is the basic life of the millions of Christians all over the world. No matter what country they are from. It is a consistent belief that is not taught but is learned through a one-on-one relationship with Jesus.
If someone accepts Jesus in a third world country and you go back and visit this person years later he will automatically know these things. Even if he had no other contact with another Christian but just the brief one that helped lead him to Christ. God is one in three Father, Spirit, and Son. It is the Spirit part of God that one hears within. That is just a little bit of Christian history. smile Myronh, some of the biggest leaders in Christianity were once non-believers. They were on a mission to disprove Christianity. They set out to dig deep. To disprove and to prove their own point. Instead they were convinced and became leaders of the truth. I challenge you to at least take the time to dig deep.  On your own with no one else around. Even if it is just to look at history. Unless you are afraid of what you might find. You don’t know what is behind a closed door unless you open the door and look. Seek and you will find.

Mrs. Humphrey

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By fedupwithyour crap, April 27, 2007 at 5:20 pm Link to this comment
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Any day when Chump Hanley promises to shut the hell up is a good day. Sheez, what a jerk. If crap were brains, he’d be an Einstein. All gut wind and no substance. Good riddance of bad rubbish. Don’t respond to this either, lunatic.

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By MyronH, April 27, 2007 at 11:40 am Link to this comment
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Mrs Humphrey:

Talking to god is crazy.
Hearing god is schizophrenia.
Acting on it is insanity.

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By MyronH, April 27, 2007 at 11:28 am Link to this comment
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Mrs Humphrey:

Your recent posts are very disturbing to me. I am an atheist who has been willing to accommodate anyone that has a strong personal belief in a god. However, you have obviously crossed that line into the field of evangelism and missionaries. I have nothing but disgust for the people that led you down this path to personal destruction. I would like to feel pity for you, but it appears that you have a mind of your own and have willingly joined this religious mafia.

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By Jim Hanley, April 27, 2007 at 9:29 am Link to this comment
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Humphrey;
You are a sick and hopeless case! And very likely a member of the so called “Clergy”, that heap of stinking filth that passes themselves off as “saviors” when in fact they are responsible for warping the minds of idiots like you, and raping innocent children while reaping all the benefits of slaveowners!  You are so deeply submerged in, and your mind is so full of that pool of swill that has made you a robot-like motor-mouth proselytizer in behalf of those who robbed you of your youth and reason, that theres no room left in your cranial area for anything approaching reason!  And, I have not visited this venue to dicker with idiots that shiver with thrills over their hopes of debunking absolute facts by replacing them with fairytales. Nor am I here to be distracted by foolish words of criticism that have no purpose, other than to tickle the fancy of someone who, like a cocaine addict, floats, enthralled on a ‘nine’ cloud believing they can prove the existance of fairytales by ridiculing someone exposing the obvious insidiousness of criminal enterprize. Although I see you as a an extremely dangerous threat to anyone in, or near earshot of your mouthed effuvial flushings, I will no longer acknowledge your existance! Nor shall I issue any further responses to your practiced absurd attempts at refutations of truth, and your infantile supporting of the outright lies and fairytales that have so distorted, and corrupted your once, potentially pristine comprehension and view of life!
                                OMEGA!

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By Mrs.Humphrey, April 26, 2007 at 6:20 pm Link to this comment
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PS: I don’t need any human to defend me. My defender wore a crown of thorns, a purple robe and conquered death. I think He can handle you—no problem.
Adios Mr. Atheist (one who does not believe in God) you know who you are.

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By Mrs. Humphrey, April 26, 2007 at 5:41 pm Link to this comment
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Dear Jim H:
I have become weary of casting my pearls to pigs. I have told you the truth about my life, my experience, and my opinion of your hatred towards Christians. You are responsible for what you do. You have your own will. You appear to be satisfied with your life or at least you pretend to be. Remember this…even a frog will boil to death if you turn up the heat slowly. That is the way Satan works on this earth. So slow you think all is well until it’s too late. Therefore, I brush the dust from my feet and carry on to the mission that my God has placed before me. I will move on as my savior and king Jesus directs me. There is a revival of Christianity getting ready to unleash upon the earth. I plan on being a catalyst in this revival. God is returning in the flesh like a thief in the night one day soon. You have heard the gospel - which means my job is done here. You cannot say you have not heard the truth.
May God provide you with physical and emotionally healing. Remember that forgiveness of others is the key to well being. If some Christian hurt you in the past, then shame on them. But your forgiveness is the key to leaving it in the past and moving on. Your protest of us reflects a deep resentment or an unforgiving heart.
Mrs. Humphrey

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By Jim Hanley, April 25, 2007 at 11:18 pm Link to this comment
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David F.F.:
SOOOOO?  As you say:  “YOU!  have lost the debate”!  Meaning YOU, David F.!  And, you need a dictionary! Have someone read back to you slooowwly! what you have written. Your pedantic asinine presumption is glaring! Where did you ever get the idea that I am an atheist? And what the hell are you doing here anyhow? You, are as simple minded as some others here. I am not the subect of this “Report”! It is about the lies that make fools like you into idiot robots. And as for my “attacking” Humphrey, if defending myself by disproving lies, and stating facts, can be interpreted as an attack, I am guilty.  And because, you are the type, a “Priest”? or “Evangelist Preacher”? perhaps? that is more interested in attempting to discredit the “messenger” instead of striving to support your no doubt absurd, outlandish stance concerning the subject of this venue, you, in fact are evading the “truth”, and, like Humphrey, you are a ‘spinner’, and show a deep disrespect for the “truth”. If, as you say, I “—-am outmatched—-”, why then, do you contradict yourself , or is Humphrey asking you, her ‘confessor’? to take up her defense?  And about “optimism”? even you should know that people who eschew lies and fairytales schemes in favor of reality, are bound to be by far, more optimistic than those poor ‘souls’ who suffer the weight of “original”, and other “sins”, and spend their life trying to convince themselves, and others that they are not crazy for believing some fairytale character “created” himself, and everything else four billion years after it already existed?  If Humphrey asked you to take up her defense, that as tantamount to her finally conceding that she was dead wrong to have ever attacked me in the first place, which is was the cause, and absolutely the only reason I would ever have so much as taken notice of the existance of someone of her insidious “Jesus-God-Religious” ilk! which includes you!          By the way, I see you copied that ‘quote’ from my earlier post!

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By David from Florida, April 25, 2007 at 5:25 pm Link to this comment
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In response to #66191 Jim H.

I believe optimist and atheist is an oxymoron. Jim from your own writings, “When you resort to attacking the messenger and not the message, you have lost the debate.” Addison Whithecomb (from #62592). I think you should leave Mrs. Humphrey alone. I believe you are out matched by truth.

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By Mrs. Humphrey, April 25, 2007 at 4:34 pm Link to this comment
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Dear Mr. Jim H:
Let me put it this way….
Have you lived as a Christian?  your answer: no
Have I lived without walking with God: my answer: yes
Therefore, you have no idea what is going on here. Blind is the proper term. You cannot see what is going on because you do not believe. God does not allow those who do not believe to understand. So it is not your fault. It is the way it is - on purpose.
By the way..stay away from shrinks. I used to work mental health court in a hospital for people who were taken into care for being crazy. What goes on behind the scenes with the shrinks is more insane than the patients problem by far. Most shrinks are people who need behavioral therapy themselves. The majority are about money, cha-ching more money. If they could fix you, then you won’t come back. hmmm
You don’t even have to know God to know that, even an atheist nows better. Like atheists now better than to smoke a stinking cigarette. It’s one of those obvious things you don’t really have to think about. 
You use the word crime a lot. It’s funny because my occupation before ministry was in government dealing with law, criminals and mental health. You see I don’t do crime. That is something which offends our government. I’m a law abiding citizen in this world. However, I do truth. And truth is not of this world therefore this world or government cannot and will not govern truth. Truth is of God. Sin is what keeps us from God not crime. A murderer can go to heaven before the man who sits in church on Sunday with hate in his heart.  If believing in Jesus is a crime to any government, (talk to the Jews about that one), then guilty as charged. I would be executed for telling my beliefs. Many people are being executed. You don’t know it because the media doesn’t expose it very often. It is happening today. I know about it because I have a unique connection to this information. I would give my life for the truth to be spread. God has given me a spirit of boldness. Far beyond my normal capacity. I am on a mission and the goal is assisting through support in teaching all the countries of this world the truth of Jesus. I was placed in a position of support by God himself. You see, some people have already been given visions before the ministry teams arrive to their 3rd world countries. They are spoken to by God beforehand, sometimes in detail (like what corner to wait at to pick up their bibles). Too many stories to tell. And again you wouldn’t understand so why bother at this point. Just remember Jesus died for us whether you believe it or not. He’s always there for you if you get in a situation that is hopeless. Like being trapped in an wrecked automobile, having cancer, or having a heart attack at the age of 40 or something. God comes to people in need. He also puts people in a situation of need to cry out for help and a relationship with His Son Jesus. Just in case you ever wonder about that. I know you think I’m crazy, and hey you are right about that, I’m crazy about Jesus for sure! 

Mrs. Humphrey

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By JimHanley, April 24, 2007 at 7:53 pm Link to this comment
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Mrs.Humphrey;
You write: “I have lived like you so I know where you’re coming from—-”
This is an absurd statement!
A religious fanatic like you could never dream of having lived like any non-religious person! You were either too stupid to have any conception at all of what life was all about, or were probably wondering which “God” to do your PREYING for.  Religious fanatics heads are crammed full of putrid fantasies, criminal bigotry and thoughts of how to spoil the minds of tiny tots so as to soften them up for the criminal charlatans who wrench from them pennies, promises of support, and their virginity in return for “blessings” and “grace”.

You are almost a hopeless ‘basket case’ proven by your repeated reference to fairytales characters such as “God” “Satan”, and “The Old Woman Who Lived In A Shoe”? And your looking for an expert in these fairytales!  But, optimist, that I am, and because you apparently are yet searching for truth? there is a minuscule possibility a psychiatrist could clear your head of all those evil thoughts, and bring you to level headed REALITY!  But you must begin by ending your PREYING on people! Stop promoting that horribly vicious mentally debilitating religious “God” “Jesus” “salvation” vomit!  It is criminal and promoting it is a crime!

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By Mrs. Humphrey, April 24, 2007 at 5:13 pm Link to this comment
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“The Hurricane”

It was August of 2004. The state of Florida was being warned of a pending hurricane by the name of Francis.
So what, I said, big deal. I’m a native Floridian so it’s no big deal. We will make it through…. life goes on. I mean we always have storms, right?
I’m sent home early from work because the media is really driving this one home. The media lies so much you never know when they are telling the truth. (Cry wolf syndrome) I get home and my husband, not a native Floridian, looks really worried. He said, hey, it’s coming right towards us, it has changed paths and they expect it to hit us directly. He sounds very worried. Unlike him… hmmm
Oh, I said, well I’m going to take a nap now, wake me up when the storm gets here. He looked at me like I was insane (according to Jim H, I am). Anyway, why be worried. I mean Jesus slept during storms why can’t I. When I got up from this refreshing nap my husband had prepared a place in our house for cover from the storm. It was the inner bathroom. He had everything we needed in there including a mattress for protection from falling beams and such. Well, to tell you the truth I thought this was crazy… but I went along with him… to go into the protective environment he had prepared. It seemed like an overkill.
Things started to go wrong outside, very wrong (wow the media is right for once). We could hear things falling, slamming metal, and other sounds I’ve never heard in my life. Sounds I couldn’t recognize. My husband was reading the bible. All of a sudden I felt scared for the first time, really scared. Worse than being held at gunpoint. I said, stop reading and start praising God. I couldn’t stand the fear. We began praising God. All of a sudden the fear was gone. The storm most certainly was not. The house was breathing and under extreme pressure. Houses in Florida are not built for these kinds of storms. These winds of 105+ for extended periods of times are highly destructive. They would be blowing from both directions once the eye passes over us. It was a long long time before we could come out.
Once we came out there was an interesting sight before out eyes. In this cute lakefront community each and every house had a large amount of damage especially to the roofs. Very large oak trees were all down, some on houses some between houses. Telephone polls were snapped like pencils and it looked like a giant had come through on a rampage. As we turned around and looked at our house it was practically untouched, the tree was still in our front yard. Our home is built very close to our neighbors. It is a low maintenance zero lot line community. The homes are only about 15ft apart. Even so only one shingle had blown off our home. Praise God! Wait a second… that is what was occurring during the storm , we were Praising GOD!!! People looked at our house in awe. The house was on the market to sell at the time and a young man bought it amidst the destruction around us. He told us that it looked like a protective blanket had been placed over the home.
Well it had. It so happened he was a Christian too so we had a great time talking about this awesome act of God.
You see, like a told you before God has given me a lot of stories to tell. Ones that are true and that I can prove with eyewitnesses. Some of the stories were real nightmares for me. But now I realize they were not about me at all, they were about you. All about telling you the story of the one who protects, delivers, and guides me, his name is Jesus. You see the more I talk about Him to others the more He shows up and does this miracles in my life.
Now you know the fuel…..what fuels me is Jesus and His miracles. Past, present and future ones. smile

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By Mrs.Humphrey, April 24, 2007 at 3:57 pm Link to this comment
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Dear Jim H:
I have lived like you so I know where your coming from, you’re blind.
However, you have never, never, never, lived by me so you do not know where I am coming from and cannot see what I see.
Therefore, you should be quiet until you do know what I’m talking about.
You are not an expert on Christianity or an expert on salvation itself. It is a foreign subject to you.
I usually don’t repeat myself but this time I will…..you do not know God because right now He is not your father…. again Satan is your father and that is all you know. It shows in your chaotic dialog. Satan is the father of chaos.
I’m praying Jim H. I’m praying. one-on-one just remember what I said many emails ago. I will remember you until I die. And just for the record my family lives somewhere around 100. That is a lot of praying.
smile

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By Jim Hanley, April 24, 2007 at 9:43 am Link to this comment
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To; Humphrey a/k/a Mrs.Humphrey
Be careful, “bagels” are constipating!

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By Jim Hanley, April 24, 2007 at 9:37 am Link to this comment
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Mrs. Humphrey;
See a doctor immediately!  And take a bath!  You are deeply submerged in that soggy stinking cesspool mire of that abhorrent “Religion”, and beheld by those charlatan “God’s” filthy wrenching claws! Your only hope is a “cold turkey” ‘leap’ out of that whirlpool of slime, lest you remain a willing tool and abetting cohort of the aforementioned criminals, and continue to share their criminal guilt!  Your head is stuffed with fairytales. And you may be driving others nuts by promoting that criminal mentally debilitating Plague-like sickness called “religion”, which has warped your mind and made you another slave to those scheming rats who suck the brains out of innocent babes and fools like you, so as to enslave and use you-all as shills and robotic tools in their ceaseless endeavor to control the world!
” A day without God in ones heart - is one day closer to—-” SANITY!
” A day with God residing in ones heart - is one day closer to—- ” THE NUT-HOUSE!
” A family without Jesus as the king - is a family that knows—-” THE FACTS OF FARCE!
” A family with Jesus as the king - is a family that shares—-” THE GUILT OF CHARLATAN RATS!
THERE NEVER!, NEVER!, WAS A JESUS! YOU ARE PROMOTING CRIME!  Wake up!  Stop promoting that Ponzi-like racketeering scheme that coerces children and fools into performing atrocious acts! 
RELIGION IS ABSOLUTE BIGOTRY!  A CONTAGEOUS DISEASE!
  It is the putrid vomit of criminal minds!
There is no excuse for intelligent people to be so ignorant of facts about the charlatan fantasies and make-believe pretenses of religion, that works to undermine the true Democratic principles and unifying influences of our Democratic Society! To promote, propagate, profligate or publish the same pretentious and pompous falsehoods that are the evil tools used by Fallwell, Baker, Haggard, the Pope, and their ilk to brainwash, indoctrinate, brand, and subjugate innocent children and fools for the purpose of using them to gain ever more money, power, and divisive influence, is tantamount to supporting pimping, and prostitution. And because those charlatans use their evil schemes and lies to control, and enslave those misled ‘bovine-like’ advocates by rendering them ‘virtual’ robots that do their bidding; they are criminals, and those supporting them, LIKE YOU are criminal cohorts, equally guilty of the crimes they commit against humanity, those fools, and the children.

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By Mrs. Humphrey, April 24, 2007 at 4:37 am Link to this comment
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Thought for the day:

A day without God in ones heart - is one day closer to the end of life.
A day with God residing in ones heart - is one day closer to an eternal life.
A family without Jesus as the king - is a family that knows no real love or peace
A family with Jesus as the king -  is a family that shares joy, peace, contentment, and true love

I have been without Jesus and am now walking with Jesus. The difference is more profound than living in a 3rd world country starving to death to living in a mansion in Beverly Hills with servants and billions of dollars in income.

The lies of the world were revealed to me through scripture. I am now a rebel of this earth and will remain so until my death occurs.

What will you do until your death occurs? What will you do after it occurs? You may plan for retirement, but you may never make it that long. You may even plan your dinner menu, but who know you may be dead by then too. You may not plan your after death and once it happens will realize it was the only thing you needed to plan for after all. How long you will live is an always an assumption. 

It started with a faith the size of a mustard seed.
And grew into a life worth living.

Peace be with you. May love surround your life and open paths and visions for you. 

Mrs. Humphrey

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By Humphery two, April 23, 2007 at 6:23 pm Link to this comment
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Mr. Hanley

Just one question. why must you refer to people that believe in something different than you as idiot’s? Have you not yet “evolved” completely, to carry out a friendly debate with someone you fear my be as or more intelligent as yourself. Please see if you can answer without using word’s like imbecile, bigot, slime. But that is what you believe that we, as one celled ameba’s,  crawled out of some gooey slime after some huge explosion. And after millions of year’s of something here we are. My friend that takes more faith than believing in any creator.

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By Jim Hanley, April 23, 2007 at 9:42 am Link to this comment
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McCrae?
I don’t seek, or take advice about anything from idiots like you, or any of your simple minded fellow travelers in the world of make believe. Your every word proves you an absolute ignorant imbecile! If you like fairytales, you and your ilk can spend your time reading all the garbage from those people you refer to. No sensible person would accept as true, or fact! the words of someone who writes about something they have no personal knowledge of.  Written words by misfits such as yourself who, like you, have been fed all that pap about your “God”? and your “Jesus”? would only echo the stupidity taught them by those Ponzi-racketeers. How could anyone today writeanything intelligent about something they have absolute no personal knowledge of? It could only be conjecture, or lies!  And, when you, or your a/h friends no matter their position, or community standing, writeabout things that supposedly happened before written history, it has to be farcical to say the very least! So stop offering your childish asinine advice, especially in writing, or you may be dragged away by those people from the nut house! You are also very confused about “questions”. I state facts! There is no more proof that there ever was, or is a “God”, or a “Jesus”, than, that Donald Duck can speak English! Or that Mickey Mouse eats Rice Crispies! Wake up, you’re having another hallucination! Stop relying on others to support your lies, just state the facts, not hand-me-down lies and fairytales.

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By Jim Hanley, April 22, 2007 at 8:16 pm Link to this comment
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McCrae?
I don’t seek, or take advice about anything from idiots like you, or any of your simple minded fellow travelers in the world of make believe. Your every word proves you an absolute ignorant imbecile! If you like fairytales, you and your ilk can spend your time reading all the garbage from those people you refer to. No sensible person would accept as true, or fact! the words of someone who writes about something they have no personal knowledge of.  Written words by misfits such as yourself who, like you, have been fed all that pap about your “God”? and your “Jesus”? would only echo the stupidity taught them by those Ponzi-racketeers. How could anyone today writeanything intelligent about something they have absolute no personal knowledge of? It could only be conjecture, or lies!  And, when you, or your a/h friends no matter their position, or community standing, writeabout things that supposedly happened before written history, it has to be farcical to say the very least! So stop offering your childish asinine advice, especially in writing, or you may be dragged away by those people from the nut house! You are also very confused about “questions”. I state facts! There is no more proof or “evidence” that there ever was, or is a “God”, or a “Jesus”, than, that Donald Duck can speak English! Or that Mickey Mouse eats Rice Crispies! Wake up, you’re having another hallucination!

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By MyronH, April 22, 2007 at 7:46 pm Link to this comment
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To all theists:

You should read all of Darwins books before making any more un-verifiable statements about a superior being. Evolution is what has made all of us superior to what we were tens-of-thousands years ago. Mankind was unable to either read or write. The only tools and weapons were sticks and stones. The only recorded history is paintings on the walls of caves and firepit artifacts.

Mankind will certainly become extinct if we continue to believe an invisible superior being will help us resolve all our worldly problems.

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By Humphrey a/k/a Mrs.Humphrey, April 20, 2007 at 7:54 pm Link to this comment
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Thought for the day:
My hands have many joints and they all work together to grasp my breakfast bagel each morning
My eyes have eyelashes for protection from dirt and particles.
My ears hear sounds to learn, enjoy music and talk with others.
My brain works similar to a computer but far advanced to any system man can or will create.
What man cannot create accident most certainly cannot create.
There is a superior being out there. (No not you Jim H.)
but it is God. The creator of my hands, my eyes, by ears, my brain and my being.

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By Humphery two, April 20, 2007 at 7:26 pm Link to this comment
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Greetings Jim H.
I have copied some facts for you to read and try to prove wrong. Just see it as a challenging exercise. Enjoy:

Some people claim that Jesus Christ never existed. Allegedly the life of Jesus and the Gospel are merely myths fabricated by the Church. This claim rests mainly upon their belief that there is no historical record of Jesus.

This lack of secular reports should not be too surprising for modern Christians. First, only a small fraction of the written records survived those twenty centuries. Secondly, there were few, if any, journalists in Palestine during the time of Jesus. Thirdly, the Romans saw the Jewish people as merely one of many ethnic groups that needed to be tolerated. The Romans held the Jewish people in low regard. Finally the Jewish leaders were also eager to forget about Jesus. Secular writers only took notice after Christianity became popular and began to disturb their lifestyle.

Even though early secular reports on Jesus may have been rare, there are still a few surviving references to Him. Not too surprisingly, the earliest non-Christian reports were made by the Jews. Flavius Josephus, who lived until 98 A.D., was a romanized Jewish historian. He wrote books on Jewish history for the Roman people. In his book, Jewish Antiquities, he made references to Jesus. In one reference he wrote:

About this time arose Jesus, a wise man, who did good deeds and whose virtues were recognized. And many Jews and people of other nations became his disciples. Pilate condemned him to be crucified and to die. However, those who became his disciples preached his doctrine. They related that he had appeared to them three days after his crucifixion and that he was alive. Perhaps he was the Messiah in connection with whom the prophets foretold wonders. [Josephus, Jewish Antiquities, XVIII 3.2]

Even though several different forms of this particular text have survived through the twenty centuries, they all agree with the above cited version. This version is considered to be the closest to the original - the least suspected of Christian text-tampering. Elsewhere in this book, Josephus also reported the execution of St. John the Baptist [XVIII 5.2] and St. James the Just [XX 9.1], even referring to James as “the brother of Jesus who was called Christ.” It should be noted that the past tense in the clause, “Jesus who was called Christ,” argues against Christian text-tampering since a Christian would prefer to writeinstead, “Jesus who is called Christ.”

Another Jewish source, the Talmud, makes several historical references to Jesus. According to the American Heritage Dictionary, the Talmud is “the collection of ancient Rabbinic writings consisting of the Mishnah and the Gemara, constituting the basis of religious authority for traditional Judaism.” Although not explicitly referred to by name, later rabbis identify the person as Jesus. These references to Jesus are neither sympathetic to Him or His Church. Also these writings were preserved through the centuries by Jews, so Christians cannot be accused of tampering with the text.

The Talmud makes note of Jesus’ miracles. No attempt is made to deny them, but it ascribes them to magical arts from Egypt. Also His crucifixion is dated as “on the eve of the Feast of the Passover” in agreement with the Gospel (Luke 22:1ff; John 19:31ff). Similar again to the Gospel (Matt. 27:51), the Talmud records the earthquake and the tearing in two of the Temple curtain during the time of Jesus’ death. Josephus in his book, The Jewish War, also confirmed these events.


Will send
Part II at a later date.

HUMPHERY TWO

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By Humphrey a/k/a Mrs. Humphrey, April 20, 2007 at 6:48 pm Link to this comment
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Dear Jim H:
I don’t think you are talking to me but someone by the name of Humphery Two. My name is just Humphrey, different spelling and no “Two”. Because I never said “I wasn’t from a Christian home”. I was but decided to do it my way for 20 +years. I said not everyone is though. I work with a lot of Christians, it is my occupation in fact. I’m not a minister though. If you read above Jesus came to me one-on-one and specifically addressed me all alone in my big brick house one day. 
Just wanted to set the record straight. By the way do you use the dictionary to type your emails or have you really retained all those, keep your distance from me type words, in your own head? It would be a lot better if you wrote to us simple people too. You wouldn’t want to leave us out would you?

Humphrey a/k/a Mrs. Humphrey not to be confused with Humphery two.

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By Humphrey a/k/a Mrs. Humphrey, April 20, 2007 at 5:26 pm Link to this comment
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Dear Myronh:
Thank you for responding to my comment. I appreciate your direct and to the point reply. It’s too bad so many comments on this site are full of name calling and a contest to see who can use words most least used within the English dictionary. Anyway, I agree with you totally about the fact that there are a lot of evil things being done by people wearing the title of Christian. See, it’s a good hiding place for the wicked. It’s like hey no one will suspect me, I look like one of those people who feed the hungry, house the poor, and cloth the needy. However, realistically there are also bad cops, money hungry doctors and attorneys, and bad restaurants where the cooks haven’t washed their hands for days. However, we still have to trust and do business with these people or places or we will live a paranoid and sheltered life. e.g. I ate at a Taco Bell once and had the worst food poisoning a person could endure. For two years the thought of Taco Bell made me sick. It still isn’t a great place to eat, I agree, but one day I had a craving for a taco and there one was. It was far away from the place I had been poisoned at. So I said hey, I’ll do it anyway. Everything was okay, I didn’t die or anything. smile Why am I talking about Taco Bell? Well, to tell you the truth, I prayed about what to say to you and asked God to give me an analogy. I guess that was it. smile Anyway,  I could have said I will never eat in another restaurant again but I didn’t. I eat out all the time with my husband. Yes, Humphrey is a woman! Anyway, the things some people do to trick people is terrible. Saying you are something you are not is deceitful and very cruel. I am assuming that you were raised Catholic. The reason I am assuming that is because of some of the words you have used, like Priest. Myronh, I have seen more messed up Catholics than any other religion. I work for one of the worlds largest missionary organizations. What they teach in this religion is considered to be false teachings by some Christians. Now, I am not religious. You see Jesus didn’t like religious he like obedient. I am a follower of Jesus Christ. I attend a non-denominational church. I do not follow rules made up by man unless they are laws within our government. 
My belief is that if you intentionally accepted Jesus as your savior you are saved. Period. That commitment isn’t like joining a club. Jesus is not of this world. The worlds rules, that you can undo just about anything, don’t apply here.  Jesus is of the kingdom of God. Therefore, if you verbally accepted Jesus personally, (not dunked in water as a baby, that’s a bath) then God will come back for you eventually. I’m not trying to be funny, I’m dead serious. Maybe that is why I’m on this website. I walked away at the age of 19 years old to do my own thing. I searched for happiness in career, money, sex, and some slight alcohol abuse. Nothing made me really happy. Nothing. I could not find a house big enough for my pain. I couldn’t find a partner perfect enough for my shortcomings. I couldn’t find a drink stiff enough to make me forget my issues. Then one day as I sat in my big house by myself Jesus showed up and spoke to me. I started reading God’s word and dedicated the rest of my life to Him. This was a one-on-one experience. I didn’t even have a Christian friend or anything! I’m thinking how am I going to tell other people what happened to me!Over 20 years had passed and He came back to rescue me anyway! I couldn’t believe this for days! This is why I love Jesus so much. This is why I’m taking the time to tell you the story. I don’t know your age. I don’t know whether your male or female. I just know I am lead to explain this situation to the best of my ability. God bless you Myronh. I’m sorry you got lumped in with Jim H. on the “hate” part but I was trying to cover all bases on a single email before. Please forgive me for this error.
Mrs. Humphrey

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By Jim Hanley, April 20, 2007 at 5:06 pm Link to this comment
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Humphrey;
Dont mess up your cassock, amice, chasuble, or alb crying over me!  No doubt you have a purpose for promoting that putrid evil manipulative robbing scheme that uses those ‘icons’, lies, and fantasy figures ‘your’ “God”? and the make-believe character “Jesus”? to victimize innocent babes and fools like you? But, how do you look in the mirror without gasping at the image of a ‘criminal cohort’ of those rapists? How do you justify or rationalize the propounded belief that there is such an absurd entity as a “God”?  Who brainwashed you, mezmerized, hypnotized, indoctrinated, branded, enslaved and convinced you of this lie? What ‘is’ your so-called “God” supposed to be? Where did ‘IT’ come from? Who made ‘IT’? What does “IT” do? If you were told “IT” is a “Creator”, what did “IT” create? Or what ‘created’ “IT”? When going back in time, there is no beginning, so what does a so called ‘Creator-God” ‘create’?  “There is no beginning or end!  The origin of Nature is ceaselessness existance!”. And your so called “Jesus” who never existed! but, even if “he” did, exist, “he” arrived on the scene billions of years too late to “create” anything!  But, then, why would ‘anyone’’ want to admit to having “created”: “Wars, starvation, pestilence, bubonic plague, cancer, aids, polio, diabetes, arthritis, the suffering endured from cyclones, tsunamis, hurricanes, tornados, floods, drought, and all the endless tortures and deprivations visited on the less fortunate beings of the world? What sort of Idiotic, simple-minded imberciles pay homage to, genuflect, and bow to such a sadistic absurdity called “God”? You say you “did not come from a religious home” ? But, did you inherit your Brobdingnagian gullibility?
I can only conjecture, but tell me, did your male lover insist that you be “Born-again” before he accepted you? Or did you see an opportunity to get close to children by joining the Evangelical movement?
  Instead of “praying”, stop ‘PREYING’ on people! You can’t be a ‘Godist’ unless you are a BIGOT!
And, ‘beyond the shadow of any doubt’  BIGOTS have inferior minds!

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By Myronh, April 20, 2007 at 8:11 am Link to this comment
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Humphrey,

You make the same assumptions that all other theists do. That being atheists hate all others that dont look or think like they do. You obviously dont know me. I have worked with people of many ethnic backgrounds. I have no hatred for anyone that is willing to accept me for my admittedly human flaws. I was baptized and confirmed in a christian faith. I lost that faith once I relaized that most followers of a religious faith are also those that carry the most hatred in their heart to their fellow man. Many church leaders such as ministers and priests are the worst type of pedophiles. A just and righteous god should never allow that type of punishment to an innocent child.

You completely miss the point that I was trying to make. That being that the rich and powerfull in this world are taking advantage of your UNQUESTIONING FAITH, which makes you their pawn to carry out their goal of complete domination of the poor and poorly educated. I don’t feel any hatred for you; only pity. I am also concerned about how much influence you may have on those near and dear to you.

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By Humphery two, April 19, 2007 at 8:54 pm Link to this comment
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Greetings Jim Hanley

Sir I honestly feel sorry for you. You claim a superior mind but the only words you use to refer to people are idiot,stupid,and my favorite HALF—WAY intelligent. I really think there is a good person somewhere in that bag of hate you call Jim Hanley. Sir I use to think of God and Jesus just as you do. But on my own search of both sides I could not deny the existence of God or Jesus Christ. I did this at the age of 36 and accepted Jesus into my life at the age of 38. I did not come from a religious home to say the least. And I did not have any person pressuring me into any kind belief. I want to tell you I will be praying for you. I think there is some kind of curiosity on your part,you do capitalize God in all your writings.I encourage you to study and look closer from all sides on the life of Jesus. There are truly thousands of manuscripts on this subject. Thank You and have a blessed life

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By Humphrey, April 19, 2007 at 7:03 pm Link to this comment
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Warning: It is highly possible that most of what is on your TV is a lie or has been twisted to suit the greedy media industry and others - including the Evangelist wanting you to send more money. For those out there who watch TV…. be careful. Jesus warns us against false teachers. True Christians know the difference and have been warned, but the non-believer does not understand. Proof of that is in the statements and entries below by Jim H and Myronh.
Not all ministers on TV are false teachers. Always talk to someone else who knows God before listening to just anyone.
The world wants something from you to help itself. God wants your devoted life so that you may help others.
Blessings to all who read this.

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By Humphrey, April 19, 2007 at 5:57 pm Link to this comment
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Dear Mr. Jim H and Myronh:
I’m sorry you both feel the way you do, but hey, God gave you your free will whether you believe it or not. It shows that you have limited information on followers of Jesus and have only exposed yourself to media and books. I doubt either of you have ever known a true Christian as a friend. That’s sad because you are misled by non-believers, and it could cost you your soul. You see not everyone has been taught about Jesus when they were a child. There are people who select and choose Christ as their God on their own as adults. There are people in distant countries that are revealed of their need for Christ before the missionaries even arrive on the scene. Maybe you should dig deeper into this thing you consider an unbelievable world. Even if you do it just the for sake of argument. Since you have such hatred towards people like me, my family, and my friends, I’m just interested to know how you feel about black people, poor people, white people, senior citizens, rich people, orphans, widows or anyone else that may be not like you? Tell us how you really feel about others. You just think about that. Harboring hate in your heart will eat you like cancer or maybe will even give you the disease itself. So if you don’t decide to accept Jesus as a Savior at least stop hating others, for your own sake and the sake of those around you. That way you will at least “slightly” enjoy the short life you are given.
Blessings to you. And may God reveal himself to both of you one-on-one in the most “unusual” way. Yep, that is what I’m praying for. I thought “Yep” was appropriate for the one who considers himself so superior.smile Oh, by the way. Nothing you can say could ever make me hate you or stay angry at you. That is one of those things Jesus changes inside hearts. Praise God! Because you really do try hard to make others angry! You see I cannot go there because I feel pity and not angry. But please take it easy on the non-Christian, because a heart and tongue full of hatred is a most terrible weapon. Those who do not know Jesus will be crushed and they do not have the ability to cope with such evil. I’m truly sorry you both of you are hurting, angry and sad. Cheer up there is hope out there.

Your new friend,
Humphrey

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By Jim Hanley, April 19, 2007 at 8:49 am Link to this comment
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Phrehump;
the pretentious vitriolic of imberciles like you is important confirmation that you have received the message and it has infected you!!!  And I must thank you for the un-paid-for critical feedback! I say ‘it has infected you, but in fact ‘it’ may prove to be an ‘antidote’! to that horrendous plague-like discease that you show you are dying from?: “Godism”!  Indeed, as you have acknowledged “all persons who believe in “Jesus Christ” belong in a single catagory”!: INSANE! which is a ‘most’ “appropriate catagory” for imberciles who, despite the brain-washing, and forced-fed mesmerizing branding indoctrination they have sufffered from since early childhood when their duped, naive parents, or other criminals turned them into robotic slaves in the service of those racketeering Ponzi-scheme-operating-criminal-charlatans who rape little children, and rob them of pennies to build mansions and support a foreign entity The Vatican; ‘they’ have rejected every suggestion and opportuniity to avail themselves of the facts surrounding such fantasiesas “Santa Clause” the “Easter Bunny”, “Jesus Christ”, and “God”!  And you are idocy ‘incarnate’! for having the utter ‘gall’ to question the assertions of someone ((me) so mentally superior to one (you) stuped in the soggy cesspool mire of abhorrent “Religion”, and beheld in “Gods” filthy wrenching claws! Your only hope is a “cold turkey” ‘leap’ out of that whirlpool of slime, lest you remain a willing tool and abetting cohort of the aforementioned criminals, and continue to share their criminal guilt!

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By Myronh, April 18, 2007 at 7:06 pm Link to this comment
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Humphrey is a prime example of the type of person religious leaders entice into their flock (or there is no need to entice if that person was imprinted with religion from infancy). The Humpphreys of the world don’t want to know what is happening in the world. They believe god will look out for them. This gives those people with power and money complete freedom to steal the Humphreys blind. Fortunately, it is a win-win situation for both factors. The poor believe they will inherit the kingdom of heaven, and the powered rich already have it on earth. As the old adage states: There is a sucker born every second.

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By Humphrey, April 18, 2007 at 5:57 pm Link to this comment
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RE: 64819
Dear Mr. Jim H.:
This your opinion concerning children raised to believe and seek God; but honestly this opinion is unbelievable and emotion based. You have lumped every person who believes in Jesus Christ into a single category. That is inappropriate and inaccurate. That is like me saying…all non-believers are scum and have no right to be on the earth at anytime. Jesus came here for you - people just like you -  that have issues and are reaching out for peace. I know you have no peace. It shows in your words.   
My prayer for you is for you to see the truth and the light.
You see you do not understand the words of God. Why?  Because right now He is not your Father. Your Father is Satan, the father of lies and a murderer. Jesus explains this in John 8:44. Until you believe God you will remain in the state you are in or worse.

And by the way - stop listening to the world. In case you haven’t noticed the world changes it mind almost daily and never gets anything right. Why do you think things are getting worse around you? The colleges, schools, and media are full of lies. Where are you seeking your truth? In your head? Get real.     

Blessings to you,
And basically I don’t care how mad you are about the fact that I’m praying for you,
because that is what I do. smile

Humphrey

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By Jim H., April 18, 2007 at 12:18 pm Link to this comment
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THE ORIGIN OF NATURE
  Beginning is never found but keep an ear to the ground
  Accept the word of a friend there’s no beginning or end
Nature origin for instance is ceaselessness Existence
JH 8/29/06
  The worst form of child abuse is warping of the mind!

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By Jim Hanley, April 14, 2007 at 4:06 pm Link to this comment
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Woodcrow;
I have no Idea what you are talking about! I have not posed any questions at all in this venue! Nor do I not seek advice from idiots preoccupied with fantasy!  And I certainly am not interested in your fairytales!  I have no idea where you could have gotten that idea? If you have availed yourself the oportunity to peruse some of my earlier astute ‘Postings’ you should be well awarethat I find words like “God”,“Jesus” and all references to “religion” so abhorrent that I avoid all contacts with those idiots I know to be infecteed with that horrible infectious ‘Plague-like’ disease called religion. So don’t get your ‘Alb” wrinkled sweating over how to proslytize me, save your energy for counting all the pennes you can con little kids out of.

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By Jim Hanley, April 14, 2007 at 3:46 pm Link to this comment
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Admitted LIar Dog;
The slimey muck that exudes from your mind no doubt exemplifies your personage and the vile surroundings you thrive in, inhibits your breathing, and causes you all kinds of distress and failures?  You had better go back to wherever you came from. If they will take you? You havn’t yet learned to live among civilized people. I have finished trading barbs with you and your shadow A/H ‘infAmos’. You have no intention of ever being honest with yourself or anyone else. You must have been born on a Merry-go-round for all the spinning you do, which is likely to blame for those serious mental lapses you admit to? If you are serious about learning the origin of the fairytales encompassing all those silly things you have accepted as true without the faintest bit of truth or factual support, I suggest you start out by trashing all those “Holy Books”, immediately, and then “while looking in the mirror ask yourself “where did I learn all this “God and Jesus crap? Why am I so gullible? And why do I accept these fairytales as true, and refuse to believe all the others like “Jack and the Beanstalk” and “Little Red Ridinghood” and “The Old Woman Who Lived In The Shoe”? When you can answer that question, you are well on your way to clearing your head, and ending that ‘spin’ you’re in.  Bye! Bye! Your Time is Up!

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By Jim Hanley, April 13, 2007 at 9:49 pm Link to this comment
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Admitted LIar Dog;
The slimey muck that exudes from your mind no doubt exemplifies your personage and the vile surroundings you thrive in, inhibits your breathing, and causes you all kinds of distress and failures?  You had better go back to wherever you came from. If they will take you? You havn’t yet learned to live among civilized people. I have finished trading barbs with you and your shadow A/H ‘infAmos’. You have no intention of ever being honest with yourself or anyone else. You must have been born on a Merry-go-round for all the spinning you do, which is likely to blame for those sick mental lapses you admit to? If you are serious about learning the origin of the fairytales encompassing all those silly things you have accepted as true without the faintest bit of truth or factual support, I suggest you start out by trashing all those “Holy Books”, immediately, and then “while looking in the mirror ask yourself “where did I learn all this “God and Jesus crap? Why am I so gullible? And why do I accept these fairytales as true, and refuse to believe all the others like “Jack and the Beanstalk” and “Little Red Ridinghood” and “The Old Woman Who Lived In The Shoe”? When you can answer that question, you are well on your way to clearing your head, and ending that ‘spin’ you’re in.  Bye! Bye! Your Time is Up!

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By Jim Hanley, April 13, 2007 at 9:36 pm Link to this comment
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Woodrow?
I have no Idea what you are talking about! I have not posed any questions at all in this venue! I do not seek advice? And I certainly am not interested in fairytales!  I have no idea where you could have gotten that idea? If you have availed yourself the oportunity to peruse some of my earlier ‘Postings’ you should be well aware that I find words like “God” “Jesus” and all references to “religion” so abhorrent that I avoid all contacts with those idiots I know to be infected with that horrible infectious ‘Plague-like’ disease called “Religion”. And of course this goes “double in spades’ for any fool who is stupid enough to promote this sort of CRAP by writing about ‘it’!  The exception being, of course, if the writing were an expose’ of the racketeering ‘Ponzi-like’ criminal activities of the charlatans who brainwash, mesmerize, indoctrinate, and brand innocent children and fools for the purpose of using them, and abusing them. 
RELIGION = ABSOLUTE BIGOTRY! A CONTAGEOUS DISEASE!
  It is the putrid vomit of criminal minds!
There is no excuse for intelligent people to be so ignorant of facts about the charlatan fantasies and make-believe pretenses of religion, that works to undermine the true Democratic principles and unifying influences of our Democratic Society! To promote, propagate, profligate or publish the same pretentious and pompous falsehoods that are the evil tools used by Fallwell, Baker, Haggard, the Pope, and their ilk to brainwash, indoctrinate, brand, and subjugate innocent children and fools for the purpose of using them to gain ever more money, power, and divisive influence, is tantamount to supporting pimping, and prostitution. And because those charlatans use their evil schemes and lies to control, and enslave those misled ‘bovine-like’ advocates by rendering them ‘virtual’ robots that do their bidding; they are criminals, and those supporting them, are criminal cohorts, equally guilty of the crimes they commit against humanity, those fools, and the children.
The vast majority of “religious” people were: forced into their ‘belief’! They had no say in the matter, they were imposed upon, brainwashed, and indoctrinated when innocent and defenseless! They were not old enough, wise enough, or informed enough to make a decision, or to determine the value of the information passed to them by elders who, they were taught to obey and were not able to question or contradict! And, generation, upon generation the same methods have been perpetually used and promoted by a big gang of thieves as their victimizing schemes to rob people of their pristine mental facilities and their ability to determine fact from fiction!  Most religious indoctrinated “children” never reach an “age and ability” to recover from the ‘desease’! ‘Religious’ “parents” already mezmerized and ‘indoctrinated’; are the absolute worst ‘indoctrinators’! because, they have first access to the innocents at the earliest age!
Religious parents mind’s are warped by the charlatan’s lies and fairytales, and by passing it on, they are naive, unwitting cohorts of the ‘criminal’ charlatans’; and are abetting the spread of the infectious plague-like desease called “Religion”!  These “parents” are criminals! They are guilty of ‘branding’ and ‘warping’ the ‘pristine’ minds of the innocent defenseless children and robbing them of the mental acuity they were born with.

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Admitted LIar Dog;
The slimey muck that exudes from your mind no doubt exemplifies your personage and the vile surroundings you thrive in, inhibits your breathing, and causes you all kinds of distress and failures?  You had better go back to wherever you came from. If they will take you? You havn’t yet learned to live among civilized people. I have finished trading barbs with you and your shadow A/H ‘infAmos’. You have no intention of ever being honest with yourself or anyone else. You must have been born on a Merry-go-round for all the spinning you do, which is likely to blame for those serious mental lapses you admit to? If you are serious about learning the origin of the fairytales encompassing all those silly things you have accepted as true without the faintest bit of truth or factual support, I suggest you start out by trashing all those “Holy Books”, immediately, and then “while looking in the mirror ask yourself:  “where did I learn all this “God and Jesus crap? Why am I so gullible? And why do I accept these fairytales as true, and refuse to believe all the others like “Jack and the Beanstalk” and “Little Red Ridinghood” and “The Old Woman Who Lived In The Shoe”? When you can answer that question, you are well on your way to clearing your head, and ending that ‘spin’ you’re in.  Bye! Bye! Your Time is Up!
A true “God” would expect credence for reason; not an idiot’s fear!
JH 4/1/07

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By lawdog, April 12, 2007 at 10:26 pm Link to this comment
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Dumbutt Hanley,
Right your are. I did say the words “God” and “Jesus,” and right you are again, I really did forget. I say them often, but usually not on this site - for the reason I stated. I don’t caste my pearls before swine, they being you specifically.

Now that we have that monumentally important issue out of the way, deal with the issue, or did you forget in your frenzy that there was one? You claimed the notion of God arose by means of “palaver.” First you said it was non-written palaver; then you implicitly admitted that non-written palaver was not credible evidence by accepting my argument and attempting to turn it around on me. Were you being honest or dishonest? In any event, you haven’t proven your case rationally. On the contrary, you weaken it everytime you go into a psychotic rage and use your favorite argument, the ad hominem. You simply discredit yourself and your claims. I’m delighted to continue to assist you in your attempt to make a total fool of yourself.

BTW: I said nothing about how the idea of God arose. Therefore, the fact that you are discredited has no bearing whatsover on my reasons for believing he does exist. It should be obvious I don’t accept your account anyway. I never made the argument that he arose by palaver. You did and you are discredited. You like that old strawman argument, eh? Try it on someone your own hatsize.

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By Humphrey, April 12, 2007 at 6:00 pm Link to this comment
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Imagine this:

God tells me to writea check to someone for a lot of money. He tells me who to make it out to and for how much. He tells me where I can find this person. He gives me questions to ask this person about a child of theirs. The answer is “my daughter is okay, but my medical insurance will not allow anymore tests to find out what is wrong with her”. I reach into my pocket and pull out a check and to his surprise it is money for the medical tests. Hmmmmm. Imagine because it happened to me. No lie.

Imagine this:
You pray for someone over and over. Someone who doesn’t believe in God. One day he calls you up because he is saved. Imagine because this happened also to me.

Imagine this:
You put your house on the market to sell because God tells you to. Others tell you it will take about 9 months to sell it because it is located in the deep mountains outside the Smokeys. The house sells in 1 day and all of it’s contents. Imagine again because it happened to me too.

Imagine this:
You suffer from what the world calls depression. It’s what I know call a “lack of God in ones life”. A doctor tells you to take medicine, but God, who you don’t really know very well yet, tells you don’t take it. You don’t take it. Instead you read the bible pray to God and accept his son Jesus as your lord and savior. A miracle occurs. You are not longer depressed but are content, happy, at peace and cannot wait for tomorrow. Again, imagine it, because it happened to me over 8 years ago and the depression (lack of God in ones life), never ever returned. 

Now you can tell yourself that I’m lying - but I know I’m not. You see I have nothing to gain. Not pride, not money, not fame, not anything. However, my story is true. Those who know me have witnessed these things - and believe me there are more stories than this!

Imagine you know God. You walk with Him and talk with Him every day. Imagine really hard, because if you decide to accept Him as your king too, you will see what I’m telling you is the truth. 

So maybe you can see why some of us realize that God did create the earth as well as human beings, animals, etc. etc. etc. It’s not hard for us to imagine at all. Because God has made himself real within in our lives. 

Blessings to all:
Humphrey

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By Jim Hanley, April 12, 2007 at 5:42 pm Link to this comment
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LIARDOG!  You say:  “a statement I never made.”(?) “I never said a word about God, Jesus__(?)
  ‘These’ are YOUR EXACT WORDS: (#63044 by lawdog on 4/09 at 5:17 pm)  “The libraires are full of books that confirm Jesus existence.” (And) “God, and atoms, are known—-” (!)  Have you lost the small mind you once posessed? Have your mother read your postings back to you SLOWLY? IDIOT! You are so preoccupied with your infantile attempts at discrediting the messenger by name calling and you insidious remarks that you have completely lost any connectioon with reality! And now, cannot even remember your own words written three days ago!  The slimey muck that exudes from your mind no doubt exemplifies your personage and the vile surroundings you thrive in, inhibits your breathing, and causes you all kinds of distress and failures?  You had better go back to wherever you came from. If they will take you? You havn’t yet learned to live among civilized people. And take all your filth with you.

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By woodrow call, April 12, 2007 at 5:19 pm Link to this comment
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Jim Hanley,
I have little faith that you are anything but a bomb thrower, but, just in case I’m wrong, you might check out another source of answers to your questions. Richard Swinburne, the eminent British philospher and Oxford professor, wrote “The Existence of God” (2004).I believe nothing better exists in the English language on the subject. It is scholarly and requires work to get through it. If you are serious and up to the challenge, get a hold of a copy.

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By TAO Walker, April 12, 2007 at 3:11 pm Link to this comment
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Ah, the Celts! (Hemi #63514)  Since time immemorial your people are reknowned the world ‘round for bringing to the Song ‘n’ Dance of Life Herownself some of the deepest yet most uplifting music and movement anywhere to be found….and the pure poetry of your native tongue.  You’re our kindred spirits from long ages before some prowling privateer ever dreamt-up this “North America” dodge….and started the horrors of that nightmare stampeding across Indian country. 

Sure, and isn’t Turtle Island where we actually live, after all?  That other’s no more than mere words on a map….one on which the western cross-hatchings in particular resemble nothing else on Earth so much as the square-miles of feedlots all over “Kansas,” “Colorado,” “Texas,” “Nebraska,” etc.  Much better to keep ones feet on the firm ground that has nurtured our kind these ten thousand generations, than to be caught-out in some make-believe realm where the imaginary boundaries serve only to “license” what is nothing but rape, robbery, and murder disguised as “manifest destiny”....or, most recently, “a new american century.”

Hemi is welcome anytime to bring the gift of his gab and the lilt of his laughter into the lodges of the ickche wichasha….as one of our own, really, how could he not be.  Until then, this Indian wishes him well wherever the call of his heartsong may carry him.

HokaHey!, Kola.

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By lawdog, April 12, 2007 at 12:24 pm Link to this comment
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Dumbo hanley,
You are a dullard and a pesky one at that. You must be a product of the government screwools. You are a sneaky li’l cuss though. I’ll give you that. I demolish your argument and you claim I self destructed. Let’s take another look.

First you insist that “palaver” is unwritten communication. I point out that that undermines your argument, and you then abandon your previous position, because you think you can use my own argument to undermine a statement I never made. Not exactly the kind of legerdemain that’s ready for prime time, dude.

Second, I never said a word about God, Jesus,  the CookieMonster, or your mama. So, all your psychotic raving is…well…kinda pathetic. I do have my opinions but learned long ago not to cast pearls before swine. No, I just set back and wait for fools to spout off, so I can pick them off. Now run along back to mama. Your snotty nose needs a good wiping.

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By Hemi, April 12, 2007 at 8:04 am Link to this comment
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Dear TAO,

Not hidden at all, I’m right here with you on “Turtle Island”. Don’t want to join the feedlot crew and call it the North American continent? So be it.

Thank you for the amigo status. It is amigo. Hemi is the shorthand for what my amigos call this old Celt. (Nothing to do with petrol guzzling motor cars.) The “thicket of verbiage” and “fevered imagination” comments are much appreciated. Worthy praise from one of the “free wild natural peoples”. That’s one of the “gifts” handed down through my people.

You’ve posted some provocative thoughts, I thank you. This string has come ‘round and ‘round. I will move on and wish you the best. We’ll do this again.

Beannacht leat go bhfeicfidh mé arís thú a chara.

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By TAO Walker, April 11, 2007 at 10:18 pm Link to this comment

With those as her “values” (and in that particular order?) it’s no wonder velma kelly (#63256) is so much on the defensive.  Had she revealed earlier the actual extent of her developmental disabilities, this heathen savage would never’ve added to her already considerable difficulties by responding in-good-faith to her insincere (as it turns out) expression of interest (#62268) in humankind’s natural place in Earth’s organic living arrangement.  It seems best not even to mention here the bizarre 1950’s shoe fetish that keeps popping-up in her comments. 

Leaving aside her self-serving and homocentric take on how conscious of their circumstances our four-legged relatives are, would velma kelly maintain as well that “people” in feedlots also “....have no capacity to make judgements about their condition….”?  This old Indian has several times suggested here that their capacity is obviously (and lately rather severely) impaired, and much too seldom employed, but has not gone so far as to strip them of it entirely.

It is true that Karl Marx was an admirer of the egalitarian and communal “socio-economy” enjoyed by Turtle Island’s indigenous peoples.  It is also true that Adolph Hitler modelled his own “final solution” upon the capitalist/christians’ (or christian/capitalists’, if you prefer) “democratically” attempted genocide and concentration-camp confinement of those same native nations.  Evidently velma kelly much prefers the ravings of “Mein Kampf” to the reasoned critique of “Das Kapital.”  She must be feeling right at home these days in Amerika….and perhaps makes Chris Hedges’ point for him all by herself. 

Hemi (#63346) seems to’ve hidden-away so sucessfully, in that thicket of verbiage s/he’s planted here, that his/her where-abouts is unknown, and very existence unconfirmed, even to her/his own self.  Sorry, amigo/a.  This Indian is a pretty good tracker, but even angels might fear to tread into the jungle of such a fevered imagination….and anyway, miracles are more in the province of medical science these days. 

HokaHey!

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By Jim Hanley, April 11, 2007 at 8:45 pm Link to this comment
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Papdog; You say: “Anything that isn’t written down isn’t citable—-”  “especially when it supposedly occurred millennia ago. ” NOW! You are finally discussing the true subject of this"venue” which is
“Creationism”  and reference to the origin of all that ‘bullcrap’ which just happens to be from “Holy Books” full of “PALAVER”! Verbal accounts about people and happenings that were passed down by soothsayers, diviners, vaticinators and prevaricators! Your ‘so called’ “God” and your
‘so called’ “Jesus” NEVER WROTE A WORD!
So you have ‘CITED’ ‘for’ me, the “CREDIBLE EVIDENCE” for all my many assertions about the fallacy of the religious lies, and devious
schemes being perpetrated on the human race by thoes thieving rat-bastards who brainwash little kids, give them a lollypop and rape them in exchange for forgiveness and ‘grace’ for their never committed ORIGINAL SIN”! You say: ” It was passed down over 500 generations from one whatsit to the next.”  This is an accurate description of all the garbage contained in those “Holy Books” you bet your life on! Thanks for answering your own question, and finally talking some sense, even though it be caused by your ignorance!
      Ciao, Jim
A true God would expect credence for reason; not an idiot’s fear!
JH 4/1/07

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By Augustus McCrae, April 11, 2007 at 8:07 pm Link to this comment
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Jim Hanley,
Someone suggested you check out what Josephus, the Jewish historian of the first century, had to say about Jesus. Did you check it out or do you prefer to remain ignorant and announce it to the world? If you didn’t, there’s little hope for your education. Lee Strobel, an investigative journalist, wrote “The Case for Christ (1998).” It’s 400 pages of the sort of evidence you are asking for. Stobel is a former legal editor of the Chicago Tribune and studied law at Yale. I think you can assume he will ask the tough questions and demand straight answers. Check it out if you are serious. If not, stop asking.

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By Jim Hanley, April 11, 2007 at 5:55 pm Link to this comment
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VAmose Hart;
If you believe in “Jesus” you would likely buy the Brooklyn Bridge if offered to you?  And also contribute money to buy food for Mickey Mouse?
What ‘PROOF’ do you have that a human being named “Jesus” ever lived? Or do you also believe that Donald Duck can speak english? Your repeated
avoidance of the subject of this venue provides information about your(lack of) character that even you are unaware of! And your rampant juvenile
vulgar attempts to discredit absolute facts that you readily admit you do not posess the mental capacity to accomplish, adds to your insidiousness.
If you think anyone would be sidetracked from writing the truth about how you, and other imberciles are aligned with a bunch of racketeering ‘Ponzi’ mobsters, headed up by that thieving monkey in the Vatican by your imbecilic puking, think again! I really ought to thank you for your unpaid criticism. It is convincing proof that I have poked a hole in your armour! WELL?  At least you admitted your LIE about “PLAGIARIZE”!

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By lawdog, April 11, 2007 at 3:08 pm Link to this comment
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Dimbo hanley,
I did take your advice and used my dictionary, but I couldn’t find “mistate.” Perhaps you could look it up in yours and tell me what it means?

No, I don’t agree I avoided the “subject of this venue” (emphasis deleted). The real subject is truth, Hence the name “Truthdig.” Truth is not a matter of personal opinion, as you seem to prefer. It requires digging to find it. In this context, that means backing up what you say with credible sources. You have done nothing of the sort. Sorry, but I’m gonna have to block you.

Now, re “palaver,” palaver is sound waves, here and gone. Anything that isn’t written down isn’t citable as a verbal source, especially when it supposedly occurred millennia ago. Imagine yourself in a court of law. You are asked by the prosecutor how you know the idea of God originated among prehistoric whatevers. You say, “By means of palaver. It was passed down over 500 generations from one whatsit to the next.” Prosecutor says, “Objection, hearsay.” Judge says, “Sustained times 500.”

If you have any credible evidence for your assertions, cite them. That means provide references to expert testimony, i.e., recognized authorities in their field. Otherwise, get your dumb butt out of my court or I’ll find you in contempt.

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By Hemi, April 11, 2007 at 12:18 pm Link to this comment
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“They also reveal that beneath the veneer of blase cynicism each affects here is the same fear-engendered misery inflicting all the domesticated peoples.  They do this by inferring insistently that us surviving free wild natural human beings (even if we really exist, which they doubt) can’t possibly have a view of their world IN rather than simply AS context….since to admit such a thing is to admit that they are miserable (even in the midst of all their material splendor) unnecessarily.” TAO Walker

Questions. Who, what, where or when am I? Am I?

“It is “unthinkable” that anyone who can visit their “history” actually lives outside of it.” - TAO Walker

It is not unthinkable it is insignificant. I have no need to separate myself from the moment nor acknowledge your passing. Who is visiting and who is outside? Do you know? This too shall pass.

Beagán agus a rá go maith. Níl eagla orm roimh fear ná Dia!
Síocháin go raibh ar talamh.

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By Jim Hanley, April 11, 2007 at 8:10 am Link to this comment
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GullibleDog
You ask: “Must have hit a nerve, eh?”  I say YES, MY FUNNYBONE! First, you repeatedly avoid the SUBJECT OF THIS VENUE?  Then you (LIE?) mistate the facts?  Buy a dictionary, YOU! need it!
You say: “If they were prehistoric, that means (they) didn’t know how to write, (?) so they couldn’t transmit their “palaver” down to us over the ages.” (?)
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Dictionary:  pa·lav·er   (p?-lav’?r, -lä‘v?r)
a. Idle chatter.(!)
b. Talk intended to charm or beguile.(!)
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I looked up GULLIBLE, and LO!  It said   “LAWDOG”!
THE ORIGIN OF NATURE
  Beginning is never found but keep an ear to the ground
  Accept the word of a friend there’s no beginning or end
Nature origin for instance is ceaselessness Existence
JH 8/29/06
  The worst form of child abuse is warping of the mind!

A true God would expect credence for reason; not an idiot’s fear!
JH 4/1/07

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By velma kelly, April 10, 2007 at 11:44 pm Link to this comment
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TAO Walker,
No, I wouldn’t call wild elk racist, because they have no capacity to make judgments about their condition, any more than do cattle in a feed lot. Only people can do that.

“The real gist” of my argument is that you know nothing of my “misery” because it doesn’t exist. I am proud of Western civilization, despite its warts. You, I take it, are proud of yours, despite its warts. I intend to defend my values with all means at my disposal, proudly and with no apology to anyone. Specifically, I mean capitalism, democracy, and the Christian religion. Maybe you should get off the rez more often, because the sad, disintegrating world you like to describe does not exist for me. There are goals to achieve, not institutions to abolish. You, sadly, wear glasses tinted with Marxism. That dreck didn’t work in Europe, where it originated, and it doesn’t work in the U.S., where it never could have been born. You’ve got all the answers but no one is asking you any questions. Ticks you off a bit, I guess. Well, roll ‘em up and smoke ‘em in your peace pipe. And keep those blue pseudes brushed up. Someone might want to do a remake of “Flaming Star,” and you’d be just the guy for Elvis’ part.

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By TAO Walker, April 10, 2007 at 7:27 pm Link to this comment

Would Velma Kelly (#63163) call wild elk, for example, “racist” for recognizing the obvious fact that their “ranched” sisters and brothers are “doomed” not only to a foreshortened life of disease and confinement, but to wholesale slaughter just for cheap thrills and profit?  To be sure, everybody she knows or has ever known or is likely ever to know is a “product” not so much of “where (they) came from,” (there aren’t, after all, a lot of options to Earth at-the-moment, in that regard) but of that essentially industrial process which turns what would’ve been free wild natural human beings (of whatever “race”) into random collections of ersatz “individuals” who are easy pickings for those who own and run the machinery.

This Indian is, by both birth and preference, part of that peculiar utterance of Life Herownself that, in one of our languages, goes by the name “ickche wichasha,” meaning free wild natural human beings.  Time was when all two-leggeds, wherever they roamed, whatever the variations they represented in physiological and cultural “norms,” were just that.  Then awhile back some of us got lured into the tender but terminal trap called civilization.  Today their numbers are legion, while ours are about the same as they’ve always been since She introduced us into the family of our Mother Earth and SunFather. 

So what does it matter if Velma Kelly isn’t “buying” what none of us is trying to sell her anyhow.  The real gist of her argument here is that nobody is allowed to know anything about the world she inhabits that she doesn’t know herself.  The corollary is that anyone claiming such knowledge, and who has enjoyed a life-experience much different from her own, has nothing of value to say about the nature and content of the condition her condition is in….and besides is condemned to keeping her company in her misery whether they want to or not.  She also insists on projecting the base motives and self-serving methods so common among the domesticated breeds onto this person whose actual “particulars” she couldn’t be more mistaken about. 

Our people do love and enjoy language.  Our stories are filled with what Ms. Kelly dismisses as “....turgid, pretentious prose….”  She can easily spare herself any further exposure to it by simply skipping-over anything appearing here beneath the English-language approximation of this old Indians given name.

HokaHey!

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By lawdog, April 10, 2007 at 4:54 pm Link to this comment
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Dim Hanley,
My, my aren’t we testy today. Must have hit a nerve, eh? Recognize this gem?

“Why are you so gullible as to accept the ‘palaver’ of prehistoric charlatan hominids who used every scheme, artifice, lure, ruse and stratagem to enrapture, captivate and subjugate simple people for the purpose of enslaving them? ‘That’ is where all the ‘God Talk’ and ‘Jesus Talk’derives from!”

If they were prehistoric, that means that didn’t know how to write, so they couldn’t transmit their “palaver” down to us over the ages. There’s no way you have a clue what their agenda or strategy was. Furthermore, there’s no way to know that the “God talk” and “Jesus talk” supported the “prehistoric charlatan hominids” in their attempt to enslave people14. Look up gullible in the dictionary. You’ll find your picture.

BTW: ditch all the verbal histrionics. They impress no one and make you sound like a junior high brat. You are one, aren’t you?

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By velma kelly, April 10, 2007 at 2:12 pm Link to this comment
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My, you do love the sound of your own voice, but I’m not buying it. You clearly consider yourself some kind of sage, one who has figured out the cause and solution to world’s problems. It is, of course, entirely coincidental that you arose in the place you did, i.e., on the “rez.” Nothing at all in your native circumstance influenced you to value being a “wild Indian” vs. a victim of degenerate Western civilization. No, I’m afraid it isn’t possible to say where your bias ends and your sagacity begins. Like everyone else, you are a product of where you came from. To value that is normal. To assume those from a different culture are doomed and deluded is racism. You are guilty as charged. No amount of turgid, pretentious prose can disguise that.

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By TAO Walker, April 10, 2007 at 12:09 pm Link to this comment

Velma Kelly (#63079) continues (intentionally?) to distort and misconstrue what this Indian is saying.  Domesticated people of all “races” have the innate ability, as human beings, to get free of the captivity they’re programmed to call “civilization.” Any clear-eyed reading of what has appeared here under the TAO Walker by-line would quickly confirm that as a “given.”

Of course, if Velma Kelly can convince herself it is her genetic ethnicity that is being held up in a critical light here (which it obviously is not), rather than the inferior (and deteriorating) condition her condition as a domesticated “individual” is in, she has a convenient (though illusory) hook upon which to hang her otherwise un-focused anger and palliate briefly her chronic anxiety.  She may find additional cold comfort in the knowledge that hers is a quite common coping-mechanism, among the tame two-legged inmates of state-sponsored packing houses, church-controlled feedlots, and corporate-run factory farms….all running efficiently along the lines of the latest scientific advancements.

As for gratuitous indulgence in racial stereotypes, one need only re-read Velma Kelly’s recent comments here to suspect this latest is a clear-cut case of “the pot calling the kettle, etc…..”  Her “human sacrifice” canard, for example, conveniently ignores the documented fact that every “civilization” known to man (including those that cropped-up on Turtle and Hummmingbird Islands) has practiced, as the present one is now practicing, the ritualized murder and wholesale slaughter of both designated “foreign” and surplus “domestic” hit-ees.  It is often glorified as WAR, but here in the “modern” world millions annually are sacrificed casually to economic ideology, political expediency, industrial necessity, and the everyday pursuit of faux “happiness” and cheap thrills.  The tin god “Lizzie” continues to take its bloody toll everywhere the auto-bahn goes….which by-design is everywhere the “global” market-place makes mincemeat of humanity’s natural organic form. 

Setting-up and knocking-down strawmen, as Velma Kelly does here with her groundless “racist” sortie, is certainly in-keeping with the denial-and-avoidance strategies epidemic among the domesticated peoples as the essentially suffocating nature of the contraption becomes increasingly impossible to….well, deny and avoid.  She might benefit a lot more by examining her own attitudes and assumptions for flaws than she ever could hurling epithets blindly into the hyper-rarified ether of “cyberspace.”  You can’t reach the Rez, anyhow, except by putting one moccasined foot in front of the other, and actually walking the whole way. 

(“Moccasin,” by-the-bye, is used here only as a native generic term for footwear.  People in blue suede or white buck, if that fits ‘em better, are welcome to come too…..once they’ve come-to.)

HokaHey!

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By Jim Hanley, April 10, 2007 at 9:23 am Link to this comment
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velma kelly
“You are the sort of gullible fool that believes—-” ANTHYTHING!    See Lapdog?

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By Jim Hanley, April 10, 2007 at 9:10 am Link to this comment
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Lapdog;
How would an idiot (aren’t you one?) know what “most intelligent readers—-” think? You say:“The libraries are full of books—-” (?) Yes, dealing with fantasies: Jimminy Cricket, Mickey Mouse, Little Orphan Annie, Buck Rogers, Donald Duck, Jack and The Beanstalk, The Green Hornet, Porky Pig, “GOD”, Flash Gordon, The Old Woman Who Lived In A Shoe, “JESUS CHRIST”, Elmer Fudd, etc.,etc. Doesn’t your “HALF—WAY intelligence—-” tell you ‘they’ are ‘ALL’ “unproven fantasies? Neither “provable”, or even “probable”! And are ‘ALL’ outrageous lies? intended to detract from the truth, and keep innocent children and fools from asking intelligent questions? If you had to guess, wouldn’t you say the vast majority of people in the world are idiots? (like You?) Why are you so gullible as to accept the ‘palaver’ of prehistoric charlatan hominids who used every scheme, artifice, lure, ruse and stratagem to enrapture, captivate and subjugate simple people for the purpose of enslaving them? ‘That’ is where all the “God Talk” and “Jesus Talk” derives from! And ‘those’
are the fairytales all those Religious “books” contain!  And, by the method of brainwashing, mesmerizing, and indoctrinating innocent children and fools, these infectious ‘plague-like’ LIES have been passed down through 100 generations, while often being rewritten, and embellished with more scheming fiction and lies. With knowledge of this, no one should be surprised that, even some, otherwise intelligent people, could be taken in by the so often repeated deviousness and chicanery. Especially when, to confront the lies would make one an outcast subject to being “pilloried” or “burned at the stake”?

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By Velma Kelly, April 9, 2007 at 11:00 pm Link to this comment
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TAO Walker,
Your arrogance is truly breathtaking. You assert that “Indians are able to come and go freely, to enter and leave ‘civilization’ as our organic function requires…,” implication being that no one else could do that if he chose. That is some serious racism, dude. It’s equivalent to saying no Indian can make it in modern society. Racism is cool for Indians but not for others, eh? Look up hypocrite in the dictionary. You’ll recognize someone near and dear to you.

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By TAO Walker, April 9, 2007 at 10:07 pm Link to this comment

Hemi (#62516) and velma kelly (#62732) both seem mostly interested in protecting their own life-long investments in the virtual-reality they inhabit….so happily?  Their somewhat silly remarks here suggest both are still relatively comfortable in their captivity, and would likely choose to prolong that condition even if given a chance to live in a larger sphere by giving-up their most cherished beliefs about the very constricted one they are presently confined to.  Neither appears to recognize, either, that the ranks of those enjoying their exalted “life-style” have always been thin, and here in these latter days are shrinking like the polar icecaps.

They also reveal that beneath the veneer of blase cynicism each affects here is the same fear-engendered misery inflicting all the domesticated peoples.  They do this by inferring insistently that us surviving free wild natural human beings (even if we really exist, which they doubt) can’t possibly have a view of their world IN rather than simply AS context….since to admit such a thing is to admit that they are miserable (even in the midst of all their material splendor) unnecessarily.

If us Indians are able to come and go freely, to enter and leave “civilization” as our organic function requires, to make use (while “inside”) of the gadgetry without becoming hooked on it, then the myth of their make-believe world’s all-encompassing inevitability falls apart at the seams….even though it is made, ironically, entirely out of “whole cloth.”  It is “unthinkable” that anyone who can visit their “history” actually lives outside of it.

Yet here we are, and all the snickering snideness and panicky projection tame two-leggeds can muster can’t change that.

HokaHey!

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By Humphrey, April 9, 2007 at 7:00 pm Link to this comment
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RE:#62931

Who do you hate, Christians or yourself? Or is it God?
Something is eating you alive. Better find out what it is soon. :-O Life is too short to be bitter and hate people for their religious beliefs.
Funny, you kind of sound like Paul from the bible.

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By lawdog, April 9, 2007 at 6:17 pm Link to this comment
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Jim Hanley,
Are you a newbie on the Internet? Seems you do have a bit of trouble getting your rants to come out right. Perhaps your junior-high English teacher gave you an assignment to post something (anything) on the Web? While you may think your post is diamonds and rubies, to most intelligent readers it is simply horse manure (Lefty excepted). The libraires are full of books that confirm Jesus existence. Check one out sometime. As for God’s existence, it isn’t provable, any more than atoms are provable. Most half-way intelligent people know that. God, and atoms, are know by their effect, not directly by observation. Both are probable but not 100% certain. That’s as good as it gets and good enough for Isaac Newton and Francis Collins? Ever heard of them?

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By Amos Hart, April 9, 2007 at 5:37 pm Link to this comment
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Jim Hanley,
If you don’t plagiarize, you are a pathetic specimen indeed, sorely in need of a bone-head English class. But I’m quite satisfied to take your word for it that you writeyour own stuff. No one can refute every cock-eyed statement that you and many other bozos make on this site. When you assert that Jesus never lived, you place yourself voluntarily on the lunatic fringe. I no more feel compelled to refute your “facts” than I do to refute Rosey O’Donnell’s notion that the U.S. was complicit in the Twin Tower bombings. Any sane persons knows she’s crazy. Likewise with you. You have no credibility because you’re nuts. End of story.

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By velma kelly, April 9, 2007 at 5:13 pm Link to this comment
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Jim Hanley,
Get a grip, dude. Your meds aren’t working for you. There is excellent evidence that all the books of the New Testament were written before A.D. 100. How then do you explain the many references to Jesus therein if the “falsification” occurred in the second century? Also, see Josephus, a Jewish historian of the first century, who wrote about Jesus. There are mountains of evidence for Jesus existence. If you want to find it, it’s very easy. Don’t believe every publicity hound that finds something nobody else has in past 2000 years. You are the sort of gullible fool that believes the DaVinci Code dreck. You need to be a hell of a lot more skeptical in what you read and believe.

BTW, send your “evidence” to the New York Times. They would love to publish it if it had an iota of credibility.

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By Jim Hanley, April 9, 2007 at 8:32 am Link to this comment
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To all you liars; or infected, condoners, and prosyletizers: when will you cease lying? or, wake from that mesmerized state?
THERE NEVER!, NEVER!, WAS A JESUS! YOU ARE PROMOTING CRIME!  Wake up!  Stop promoting that Ponzi-like racketeering scheme that coerces children and fools into performing atrocious acts! 
        THE MAKE-BELIEVE JESUS!
After the recent discovery of Essene documents at Kimberth Qumran (Palestine) it has been proven that Jesus was the result of an artificial construction operated by falsifiers in the second century.
And: Former Priest, Luigi Cascioli says “Jesus never existed” in his book, ‘The Fable of Christ’
He has a lawsuit pending against Catholic Hierarchy to show their proof! Signor Cascioli?s contention is that there was no reliable evidence that Jesus lived and died in 1st-century Palestine and, therefore, “there is no basis for Christianity”! In september 2002 Cascioli sued don Enrico Righi, parrish priest of Bagnoregio (Viterbo), for abusing popular credulity and change of identity! The European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg has agreed to consider hearing the merits of the case. Cascioli and his renowned solicitors Giovanni Di Stefano and Domenico Marinelli will address the Strasbourg Human Rights Court. “Law is based upon respect for National and International Legislation” Di Stefano comments. The author of “The Fable of Christ” claims the priest violated laws against deception when he stated in a 2002 parish gazette “that the historic figure of Jesus was the son of Joseph and Mary (all imaginary characters and therefore historically non existing); of having the same Jesus been born in the village of Bethlehem and of having grown up in Nazareth.”
          AND THE WORLD IS NOT FLAT!
In these days of the ‘Computer Age’ there is absolutely no excuse for not availing yourselves of the truth of my assertions herein contained! You are abettors of child molesters! You are supporting those who enslave!
You are spreading the vicious ‘plague’‘!  And it is time for you to renounce those charlatans, for their evil concoctions, and manipulations; and ‘get with’ REALITY!

A true God would expect credence for reason; not an idiot’s fear!
          JH 4/1/07

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By Jim Hanley, April 9, 2007 at 6:10 am Link to this comment
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Amos Hart
You say: “nothiing—-to react to”?  Then accuse me of “plagiarizeing”? Now, speaking of “grammar”, isn’t that a “react"tion? And there you go again ,
evading the subject merely to demonstrate you genius at grammatical editing. I do not plagiarize! What little I writeare absolutely my own words. An honest
person, which you are not! would point to something thought to be plagerized? But’ as you have implied, you do not read this type of a “diatribe”,  so one
wonders how you would discern plagerism? From your vocabulary, no doubt you are more comfortable with pornography. What is the point of your
infantile methods of attempting to discredit the message by drawing attention from it to the writer? Is your ‘alb’ so messed up from your apoplexy
at realizing someone is finally recognized a charlatan? Stop sidestepping the issue at hand in this venue. Or get lost!

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By Jim Hanley, April 9, 2007 at 5:49 am Link to this comment
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Lawdog; 
How, and why did you get in here?  You must be another of those religious robotic puppies with
your hackles in the air for suddenlly realizing
how subjugated you are? You too, are sidestepping
the subject of this venue. Why? Is the truth so painnful, and finally so very obvious, that you realize you are putty in the hands of a bunch of wicked ponzi-like racketeers who have warped
your mind and fed you pap? Does your oversized ego blindyou from knowing the truth about your
fairytale conception of the world? You talk about “facts”? Cite one “fact” that proves that someone named “Jesus Christ” ever existed?
Or, that there ever was a “God”, “Creator”?
And tell us all how, and when, you found this out? And you can keep your Scalia, Roberts, Alito idea
of a “courtroom”! And you can’t alter the truth by avoidance of “FACTS”!

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By Jim Hanley, April 8, 2007 at 5:55 pm Link to this comment
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To: Lapdog, 
How, and why did you get in here?
You must be another of those religious robotic puppies with your hackles in the air for suddenly realizing how subjugated you are? And, you can keep your Scalia, Roberts, Alito idea of a “courtroom”! And don’t think you can avoid the truth by altering the “FACTS”! Further, have someone explain my prior writing to you ‘SLOWLY’, and don’t be ashamed to ask questions!

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By Lawdog, April 8, 2007 at 12:38 pm Link to this comment
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Jim Hanley,
You are a piece of work. You accuse Amos Hart of attacking the messenger, then you call HIM an adolescent nuisance. Fact is, ridicule is quite an effective method of deflating windbags such as yourself. There will always be a place for it in public discourse as long as fools like you spout rubbish from your favorite dung hill and assume others are compelled to share your deluded view of the cosmos. Facts man, facts. That’s what make an argument - not your cock-eyed personal opinions. Visit a courtroom some day and watch how it’s done. By the way, attacking the messenger is a widely used tactic in the courtroom. If you can’t handle it, find another “venue.”

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By Amos Hart, April 7, 2007 at 8:05 pm Link to this comment
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Jim Hanley,
No need to get huffy, but there was nothing in your diatribe to react to besides your obvious unfamiliarity with the English language. One sophomore deserves another. I gave you an “F” for grammar, an “F” for content, and an “F” for originality. You cited no facts, just your psychotic opinions. They’re like assholes; everyone has one. You very clearly plagiarized the drivel that you posted; hence the deranged grammar. Get some facts, bozo. Until you do, I’ll be delighted to ridicule you.

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By velma kelly, April 7, 2007 at 5:58 pm Link to this comment
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TAO Walker,
Where the hell is Turtle Island anyway? Do you have electricity and plumbing and automobiles and widescreen TV’s? I’d love to walk a mile in your mocassins, but then I want to take a hot bath and get a comfy room at the local Red Lion. No teepees or privies for this gal. If I’m going extinct, I’m going first class. Maybe while I’m there I can catch a human sacrifice. Do you guys take Visa or Master Card?

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By JimHanley, April 6, 2007 at 9:22 pm Link to this comment
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REPLY TO:  #61970 by amos hart on 4/03 at 12:00 pm
“When you resort to attacking the messenger and not the message, you have lost the debate.”
Addison Whithecomb
Are you so upset at suddenly realizing, like so many other mesmerized ‘sheep’,
that you have been living a lie all your life, and cannot acknowledge the truth of
my words, or counter them with others, that you find it necessary to ignore, and
avoid the subject at hand altogether in favor of attacking the messenger?
Or:
What is the purpose of your deep thinking criticism of my ‘grammar’?
In a different venue I would be thankful, but here, you’re just an adolescent
nuisance acting pedantically, like a fool!

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By Jim Hanley, April 6, 2007 at 9:19 pm Link to this comment
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RE: #61847 by Zena on 4/02 at 6:08 pm
Ms: Zena; Look in the mirror, and take your own advice about “research!
You don’t read well either!
1032 You say “—-the work of ‘people’ who held very deep religious belief.”(?)
“Christians”? You mean: INDOCTRINATED IDIOTS, ROBOTIC SLAVES!
“Religion”, “God”, “Christians”, and “Jesus” are the word ‘tools’ and the
‘vomit’ of charlatans minds! and the idiots who have been mezmerized
by them, like you! The benefits that accrue to mankind from “Religion”
and “God” belief, are like the cheap ‘baubles’ given by a Pimp to an
innocent child before his act of debauchery!
The ‘idea’ of “God” died with Zeus!

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By Hemi, April 6, 2007 at 1:36 pm Link to this comment
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Hey TAO Walker,

Very insightful. It’s mind boggling how connected to the “invaders” the remnants of the “basic minimal complement of human beings” on Turtle Island seem to be. My “domesticated, confused almost to extinction” mind tells me you are communicating to us either through the spirit realm or have intimate knowledge of our “electro-mechanical gadgetry”. If I had to bet the reservation, I think you have a computer.

It was very neighborly to invite Velma “to come walk awhile in our moccasins”. Something tells me those moccasins have gel inserts.

You talk a great game but can’t seem to get enough of the “invaders”. The “natural organic function of humanity within the living body of Earth” is a lovely story. They’re all lovely stories. You are not above the fray. Your ancestors were “invaders” to the continent first, congratulations. Face it, go back far enough, across a couple of land bridges and back thousands of years and even the Mayans were “invaders”. Conveniently they had a word for them when the “invaders” showed up.

As Bill Murray’s character said in the movie Stripes, “Lighten up Francis!” Sorry, silly reference. I forgot you aren’t tied to our “electro-mechanical gadgetry”. My bad.

WhatTheHey!

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By TAO Walker, April 5, 2007 at 10:15 pm Link to this comment

(V)elma kelly needn’t fear.  Help is on the way, but was submitted under the ‘ancien regime’ governing comments posted here.  So it will likely appear, here in cyberspace, somewhat behind this comment, which actually comes after it in “time.”

This old Indian’s playground is basic biology, so don’t look for any insight into the “mysteries” of electro-mechanics….other than that all their near-endless permutations are essentially derivative in nature and secondary (or even later) in appearance.

HokaHey!

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By TAO Walker, April 5, 2007 at 8:49 pm Link to this comment
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Humanity, as such, is a vital component in Earth’s
auto-immune system. (velma kelly #62268) The violent suppression and near total co-optation of this natural organic function, through the invasive mechanism of “civilization,” leaves our Mother Earth with a condition much like “AIDS,” with widespread debilitating effects plain to see for those of us who’ve been with her since before the ones the Mayans call “the invaders” arrived and began their transplant operation here.

The natural organic form of humanity is called, in the Lakota language, “tiyoshpaye.”  It is that basic minimal complement of human beings able to engage with its environment beneficially (beneficial, that is, to the whole living arrangement, not only to itself) and sustainably, and through intercourse with others of its kind to propagate healthily over many generations.  There is no equivalent word in English, though the thoroughly (in these latter days) corrupted “community” once came almost within spittin’ distance.

The instigators here of that ruthless process for domesticating human beings (thereby rendering them into manageable herds of tame two-legged livestock, called euphemistically “individuals”) did it for the same reasons their early human victims inflicted the same inferior condition on others of our native relatives….a captive food supply and slave work-force.  That all now caught-up in this vicious cycle of institutionalized degradation, including those self-deluded “masters of the universe” supposing theirselves to be “at the top of the food-chain,” are in actual fact in a death-spiral nearing its pre-ordained climax, is easily seen from outside the self-contained system itself. 

For those trapped inside it is an altogether different story.  Sealed-off from the rest of the Living Universe, their instinctive sense of imminent catastrophe shows-up in the form of “wars on terror” and “horror flicks” and the mass consumption of canned entertainment, soporific or speed-freaky ideologies, and pharmaceutical crutches of all kinds.  The Musak and drugs, at least, are prominent features of commercial feedlot and factory-farm operations, also.

The sophomoric sarcasm velma kelly resorts to here is another symptom of severe stress from constant exposure to the usages of organized repression and exploitation….by forces and agencies, and by means and methods, mostly concealed from its hapless subjects.  This Indian’s choice-of-words is entirely descriptive, and in no way intended to “dramatize” a situation already more than sufficiently compelling in its lethal content and dire implications.

Finally, it is the free wild natural peoples, here on Turtle Island us Indians, who are the only real friends velma kelly and her fella and gal inmates have got “on the outside” of that death-cult contraption most all of ‘em are kept convinced is the only “world” there is.  They are all welcome anytime to come walk awhile in our moccasins.

HokaHey!

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By velma kelly, April 5, 2007 at 12:52 am Link to this comment
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Re Comment #61964 by TAO Walker
I read your post with growing anticipation, confident that I was only moments away from true enlightenment. I did so look forward to discovering the “natural organic function of humanity within the living body of earth.” And it seemed altogether too much to expect that I might also learn “the national organic form of humanity essential to the fulfillment of its function.” Can you imagine my dismay, my utter disappointment attendant on your cruel announcement that there are to be “no SURVIVORS”? I am now hopeless, truly devastated. Nevertheless, I do have one last burning question. These “suedo-sciences” and “suedo-religions,” how do you recognize their bumbling adherents when you see them? If someone is shod in blue suede, is he a scientist or a religionist? What about white bucks? Elvis did have some religous sensibilities, and Pat Boone still does, I think. The former had an affinity for blue suede, while the latter donned white bucks in his early career. So I’m truly confused. Please writesoon before, as you predicted, the show closes. I wanna know who my friends are when the deal goes down.

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