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Kucinich Blasts Democrats

Posted on Mar 23, 2007

Not everyone was celebrating the passage of the Iraq spending bill on Friday. Rep. Dennis Kucinich, D-Ohio, told Truthdig it’s “a disaster for the American people.” The presidential candidate went on to explain his dissatisfaction with his party: “It’s the same kind of thinking that led us into Iraq— that we didn’t have any alternatives.”

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      James Harris: This is Truthdig on the phone, Dennis Kucinich, representative from the state of Ohio since 1996. Today we have the honor of talking to you just after the bill that passed on the House floor, a bill that will require President Bush to oppose benchmarks for progress on the Iraqi government and link them to the continued presence of American combat troops. Dennis, is this bill a victory for Democrats?

    Dennis Kucinich: It’s a disaster for the American people. The Democrats should have been voting—or come up with a plan to get out of Iraq. Not one that’s going to keep us there a year or two. It’s the same kind of thinking that led us into Iraq—that we didn’t have any alternatives. It’s the same thing that caused the Democrats to construct a plan that will keep us there at least for a year, and saying, well, we don’t have any other alternatives. I can tell you something, we could have come up with a plan that would have called for the troops to come home in the next few months. But we didn’t do that, so I, no one can tell me it’s a time for celebration. It’s a disaster. 


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    Harris: What should we do instead, Dennis?

    Kucinich: We should be listening to what the American people had to say last October, and that is taking steps to immediately end the war. And that means to set in motion a plan to end the occupation, close the bases, bring the troops home using money that’s already in the pipeline to do so. At the same time there’s a parallel process of bringing in international security and peacekeeping forces to stabilize Iraq. And we can get that help once we end the occupation. Then you have to have a number of other steps that are taken. Most people aren’t aware that this bill that Congress passed sets the stage for the privatization of Iraq’s oil, oil industry. To have the Democratic Party involved in something like that is outrageous. Furthermore, we should be pushing for the stabilization of Iraq’s food and energy crisis. There’s no talk about that. Basically we’re blaming Iraq for the disaster that the United States and this administration visited upon them. We’re telling them, either they’re going to get their house in order or we’re going to leave. Well, you know what, this approach is wrongheaded and the Democrats should have known better and they should have done better.

    Harris: Nancy Pelosi, I think she’s partying right now. She feels like she’s done a good job. I’m going to say, Dennis, that I think she has done a good job if you follow the diplomatic line of things. She couldn’t go in with guns blazing and saying “get those troops out.”  These benchmarks do mean something.

    Kucinich: Why couldn’t she have said: “This war must end”? Congress has the power to cut off funds. Congress has the power to limit the funds. Congress could have taken a new direction. Let’s face it, Democrats are expected to do that. ... We need to go in a new direction. And that direction is out. And the fact that we gave the president money today to keep the war going through the end of his term constitutes a sellout of the interests of the American people. And a continuation of the war for another year at least, possibly two, and this is just wrong. Just totally wrong.

    Josh Scheer: Now with the president, he said he’s going to veto this. And he said this is an act of political theater. And this bill will go nowhere. How is this going to effect the funding? Is he going to get that, or is he going to try to line-item it? 

    Kucinich: First of all, the Democrats were too quick to compromise. For the president to call it political theater shows the contempt he has for Congress. And Congress has a responsibility to challenge this administration’s conduct of the war; they didn’t do it. They gave the president a license to continue to prosecute the war, and the president said, look, I’m not going along with any restrictions you want to put on me. He doesn’t intend to. He intends to keep this war going. And when you consider that 218 Democrats or 216 Democrats voted for this bill and you match that to the 212 Republicans, or, excuse me, 208—I believe it was 210 Republicans that voted against it—the president has enough support in the Congress to keep the war going.  That’s pretty clear. What about what the American people think? Isn’t this supposed to be representative government? Do you think that support for the war has really grown? Not by a long shot has it grown. What’s happened is that support for the war is being tolerated inside the Congress. This is upside down. If the Democrats had told the American people in October 2006, “Vote Democrat, we’ll keep the war going till the end of Bush’s term; vote Democrat, we’ll privatize Iraq’s oil; vote Democrat, we’ll give the president enough money to attack Iran if he so chooses,” the American people would have never voted Democrat. But guess what, they did vote Democrat, and the Democrats have turned around and handed the president a license to keep that war going, and that’s not even enough for him. Because he doesn’t want any restrictions placed on him, and the fact of the matter is even if they put restrictions on him he wouldn’t follow them anyhow.

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    By Stephanie SMART, January 26, 2008 at 1:15 am Link to this comment
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    Liberals are so open minded,their brains fell OUT! How oblivious are you to think that this man can fix all of the problems our country is facing?! FREEDOM IS NOT FREE

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    By Sleeper, July 1, 2007 at 10:00 am Link to this comment


    Your answer to solving our problems today is to continue to sponsor our governmental officials that are paid by multinational Corporations to increasingly rob American taxpayers?  This is nothing less then selling control over American citizens to foreign interrest. I took an oath many years ago to defend the Constitution of the United States of America.  I honor that oath more then most of our governmental employees even though I am no longer a governmental employee.  How much do you get paid to help shred our Constitution?

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    By cann4ing, June 30, 2007 at 5:17 pm Link to this comment

    Hey Lawrence, I see you’ve resorted to returning to a tired old post for one last cheap shot against Dennis Kucinich at a time when everyone else has moved on the Sicko! and the fact that Michael Moore has recognized Kucinich as the only candidate who “gets it.” 

    Since I had so thoroughly demolished your ineffectual line of reasoning on so many previous occasions, I am not going to bother doing so again.

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    By Lawrence J. McDonald, June 30, 2007 at 11:33 am Link to this comment
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    Might I remind the “legion” of Dennis Kucinich supporters that the 6-term representative from Ohio’s 10th Congressional District hasn’t had a single piece of legislation, that he authored or co-authored, voted into law by his congressional colleagues. Not one. And that includes his “celebrated” Department of Peace proposal(s). Nothing of substance to show for ten long years in the House of Representatives. Pretty pathetic.
    And when was the last time you saw Kucinich in the same picture as the House Dem leadership (i.e.Pelosi, Hoyer,Murtha, et al)? Answer: Never. And he won’t be included anytime soon either.

    The facts remain that Dennis Kucinich is an ineffectual congressman; maybe the least effective one of all. He is what he’s always been: a selfish little man who desperately craves attention and will go to any lengths to get it.

    Wake up, Dennis supporters, and smell the coffee. Your guy will never get anything done; and that includes getting Cheney impeached or securing a Department of Peace. Time to shake yourselves out of your little “Dennis in Wonderland” fantasy.

    Keep it real.

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    By Sleeper, June 24, 2007 at 7:19 pm Link to this comment
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    It is the duty of every Rep. to acknowledge that there are a number of infractions and further investigations are warranted.  Anything less is an outright obstruction of justice. 

    That is precisely why the confidence of the People in Congress is so low.  They are failing “WE THE PEOPLE” because they are being bought off by the Big money contributors who are not “WE THE PEOPLE”.

    Too much money enters our races from places outside the United States.  Our Government is for sale and WE can’t afford to have any say.

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    By cann4ing, June 24, 2007 at 3:06 pm Link to this comment

    Sleeper, you and I are in essential agreement.  However, I would add that where, as here, there has been an “in-your-face” refusal by the executive to violate the solemn oath to see that the laws be faithfully executed, impeachment is not merely a right by a constitutional duty the framers imposed upon members of Congress who are supposed to be the guardians of the rule of law.  In stating that impeachment is “off-the-table,” Speaker Pelosi has taken democracy and the rule of law “off-the-table.”

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    By Sleeper, June 24, 2007 at 1:50 pm Link to this comment

    I am not impressed with either party because of their willingness to sell out “WE THE PEOPLE” to the big money they bring in from Multinational Corporate interrests.  You can trace many of our deceptive foreign policy initiatives back to Corporate Personhood becoming accepted in America.  This Corporatism/Facism has our origional foreign policy upside down.

    I am impressed with Dennis, Sen. Gravel & Ron Paul because they all do speak Truth to Power from somewhat different perspectives yet you do not see the conflicted rhetoric that is coming from all the other candidates who have sold themselves as mouthpieces for these multinational interrests. 

    These other candidates have no problem stuffing their pockets with the Blood money from Iraq and the False Flag operation that brought us The Patriot Act and the Military Commissions Act.  Impeachment is a Constitutional issue not a partisian issue.  Men of Honor will honor their oath of office.  The others are on the auction block and being bought by facist interrests.

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    By cann4ing, June 24, 2007 at 11:16 am Link to this comment

    Sleeper, rather impressive scientific video.  I have always felt there was a significant case for controlled demolition being the source of the collapse of WTC 7 into its own footprint, and this presentation provides a detailed scientific analysis in support of that thesis.  The problem I have always had is that even if it was controlled demolition, it begs the core question, “Who set the charges?”  Was it al-Qaida or an inside job?

    There is a separate video of a 9/11 interview of Giuliani in which he says that he was told the building was going to come down some 10 to fifteen minutes in advance, but he does not specify whether this was WTC 7 or one of the twin towers.

    While I am deeply troubled by the effort to squelch further investigations of this issue and feel strongly that there are many questions that remain unanswered, I think those who advocate further investigation must be careful not to engage in premature conclusions. 

    Like you, I am pleased that Mr. Kucinich has the courage to ask the tough questions.  I would hope that his willingness to take such a bold stand will not be lost on individuals such as yourself and that you will take a serious look at his campaign not only for this but for a host of other reasons that involve his willingness to speak truth to power.

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    By Sleeper, June 24, 2007 at 10:06 am Link to this comment

    Dennis is one of very few in Congress asking for an investigation.  His efforts focus mainly on WTC-Building 7.  It is the maost blatant lie of all the lies surrounding 9/11/2001.  The Building was not hit by an aircraft and did not fall with the shock waves from the two towers that were.  I have seen videos clearly showing squibs accending prior to the middle of the building collapsing pulling the outsides in.

    These two videos have convinced me that it was an inside job.  This one is by BYU proffessor Steven Jones:

    The next includes not only the WTC sham but content includes documents on the buildup to 9/11/2001 and infomation about the other aircrafts and sites:

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    By cann4ing, June 24, 2007 at 9:33 am Link to this comment

    For those self-described “9/11 truthers” who continue to criticize him fro not doing so, please note that Mr. Kucinich has announced plans for a new 9/11 investigation beginning in September because “the 9/11 commission…never resolved some conflicting facts.”

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    By cann4ing, May 5, 2007 at 10:22 am Link to this comment

    Re comment #68334 by Lawrence McDonald.  The fact that Mr. Kucinich stands as a lone voice capable of confronting the fascists by upholding the rule of law via impeachment in the face of the lawless onslaught of the “Unitary Executive” that seeks to create a totalitarian America is a badge of honor, just as it was for former Oregon Senator Wayne Morse, who was reviled when he stood alone, opposing the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, only to later be admired by history.

    If you put the question of whether the Vice President and the President should be impeached to the American people, I suspect you would find support for impeachment overwhelming.  Odd how the otherwise poll-mad, conglomerated corporate media avoids that question altogether.  But since they won’t, I’ll make my own attempt within the confines of the Truthdig community.

    Should Cheney be impeached, yes or no?  Please weigh in.

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    By Lawrence J. McDonald, May 5, 2007 at 9:08 am Link to this comment
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    Cleveland Plain Dealer, Ohio’s largest (and, arguably, the state’s most liberal daily newspaper, slams Rep.Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) for filing articles of impeachment against Vice President Cheney:

    “RUN ALONG NOW, DENNIS”  (An Editorial)

    Thursday, April 26, 2007

    “Here’s the latest example of why it’s in creasingly hard for anyone - his colleagues in the House of Representatives, Democratic presidential primary voters, the residents of Ohio’s 10th Congressional District or this editorial page - to take Dennis Kucinich seriously: He’s filing articles of impeachment against Vice President Cheney.

    Calling this effort “quixotic” defames Cervantes’ honorable knight-errant. It’s beyond hopeless. Not a single House member has signaled support, and the chamber’s Democratic leaders, from Speaker Nancy Pelosi on down, can’t run fast enough or far enough from Kucinich’s idea.

    That’s not because they want to protect the vice president, who spends much of his time trashing Pelosi and other top Democrats. Like many Americans, Democratic leaders are appalled at how Cheney and the administration he helps lead ginned up the case for war in Iraq, then failed to plan intelligently for its aftermath. Even now, he is unwilling to admit that the war has turned out to be anything but the cakewalk he so confidently predicted.

    The Constitution sets no firm standards for impeachment. Gerald Ford once noted - and Bill Clinton came to rue - that “high crimes and misdemeanors” is such an amorphous term that it means whatever a majority of the House says it means. But trying to drape that mantle around charges that boil down to political and policy disagreements - no matter how heartfelt - would be a horrid precedent.

    And understand that in Kucinich’s mind, impeaching and removing Cheney is only the first step. He would then want to do the same to President Bush.

    Apparently, Kucinich doesn’t think it’s already hard enough to get anything done in Washington, because back-to-back impeachment trials would tie up Congress for the next year. How, exactly, would that help the American people or advance the agenda Kucinich claims to support? At best, some political observers think, this stunt might energize wing-nut Democratics and thus boost Kucinich’s otherwise invisible presidential campaign.

    More likely, it would just spawn another round of Cleveland jokes”.

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    By cann4ing, May 2, 2007 at 9:40 pm Link to this comment

    re comment #67762 by Lawrence McDonald.  So you actually believe that the “always low prices” scheme of the company Jim Hightower aptly described as the “Beast from Bentonville” benefits working class America!

    The “always low prices” translates into “always huge profits”—some $7 billion per year—profits that have placed five members of the Walton family amongst the world’s top ten richest people, with a combined personal worth in excess of $100 billion.  This enormous wealth at the top is punctuated by the poverty level wages of Wal-Mart’s own employees, the more fortunate of whom receive $15,000/year for full time work.  But for 70% of the Wal-Mart workforce, the company defines “full-time” as 28 hours per week—$11,000/year.

    The Scrooges at Wal-Mart are not satisfied with simply paying minimum wage.  At home, they devised an “off-the-clock” scheme in which employees are instructed to clock out, then assigned extra tasks for which they receive no compensation—a practice which netted Wal-Mart $30 million per year in Texas alone.  Abroad Wal-Mart has aligned itself with sweatshop labor and has become the world’s largest purchaser of goods made in China.

    Wal-Mart represents imperialism come home to roost—a trend, which if left unchecked—would render permanent the growing divide between a minute class of wealthy elites and every one else.  Wal-Mart, Hightower concludes, “is now the world’s most powerful private force for lowering labor standards and stifling the middle-class workers everywhere”—a point that was underscored during the 2003 strike/lock out involving three major Southern California grocery chains where Safeway CEO Stephen Burd cited competition from Wal-Mart as a prime reason why Von’s unionized workers had to accept major cuts in their health coverage.

    Academic studies reveal a net loss of jobs when a Wal-Mart is opened.  Hightower notes that a Wal-Mart hits a community like a “neutron bomb, leaving buildings standing, but sucking all the economic and democratic vitality.”  It isn’t just size.  Wal-Mart’s predatory pricing techniques force closures of local small businesses, with a concomitant loss of the income and tax base those business had meant for the community.

    The cost of your “always low prices,” Mr. Big Mac, is too steep for me and no doubt to steep for any American with half a brain.

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    By Douglas Chalmers, May 2, 2007 at 8:20 pm Link to this comment

    Monkey business…....

    “For in every city these two opposite parties [people vs aristocracy] are to be found, arising from the desire of the populace to avoid oppression of the great, and the desire of the great to command and oppress the people….For when the nobility see that they are unable to resist the people, they unite in exalting one of their number and creating him prince, so as to be able to carry out their own designs under the shadow of his authority.” (Machiavelli, The Prince, ch. IX)

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    By PatrickHenry, May 2, 2007 at 6:31 pm Link to this comment

    The stock in a Kucinich/Gravel ticket in 08 just went up.

    I was uncertain about Kucinichs’ appeal, he proved more matured and more confident than last I viewed him.

    If his momentum picks up and he allys with Gravel he could beat Gore who I have and would vote for.

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    By Lawrence J. McDonald, May 2, 2007 at 1:54 pm Link to this comment
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    I agree with President Lincoln. “Labor IS superior to capital“. That’s precisely why corporations are increasingly using the cheap (and quality) source of labor available in third world countries. Without cheap labor, these corporations could not be competitive on the world market and would, eventually, would cease to exist. As Lincoln correctly stated,: “Labor is superior to capital”. “Capital is only the fruit of labor”, and if Chinese (and other 3rd world countries’)labor is cheaper and of higher quality than American labor, than those corporations have a responsibility to it’s shareholders to use it. Do you think it’d be okay with western consumers if they had to pay 2-3 times for (anything)? Does Mr. Canaworm really believe (working) Americans would be better off if Target and Wal-Mart started charging 2-3 times what they’ve become accustomed to paying these last ten or so years? Or if they just all closed down; went bankrupt because their prices were too high?

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    By cann4ing, April 28, 2007 at 5:12 pm Link to this comment

    In arguing that obscene corporate profit is the source of job creation in comment #66973, Lawrence J. McDonald displayed his upside-down reasoning for all to see.

    “Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital.  Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed.  Labor is superior to capital, and deserves much higher consideration.”  President Abraham Lincoln, 1861.

    In “The Great American Job Scam,” Greg LeRoy documents how, over the past fifty years, corporations have obtained massive subsidies, outright gifts of land and property and enormous tax breaks from city, county, state and regional governemental entities by enticing bidding wars between them through empty promises of job creation that are most often never fulfilled and which, from a national perspective, do not create jobs but instead merely shift them from one region to another.

    A classic example of the subsidy swindle at work involves Sykes Enterprises, Inc., a Tampa-based operator of call centers, which, like a roving band of gypsies, enters small town America, promising jobs if the country bumpkins would just fork over land and incentives, only to run off with the loot.  A Sykes VP was so bold as to declare:  “If a community is inviting Sykes to build a call center, they are expected to deed the land for two call centers to us, and give incentives worth at least $2.5 million.” 

    Here is but one example LeRoy provides from the thirteen small towns who fell victim to Sykes’s hit-and-run tactics.  “The farm town of Milton-Freewater, Oregon, borrowed $2.2 million in 1998 to make a $2.7 million cash grant to Sykes for 400 projected jobs.  The city also provided free land, utility services and tax credits, plus $1 million in state funds for road improvements.  The facility eventually employed almost 500 people, but by May 2004 Sykes had closed it and terminated the 264 remaining jobs.”  Sykes did go on to create workstations, some 10,0000 of them in low-wage overseas countries at the same time it closed and abandoned its facilities in small town USA.

    [My problem with LeRoy is he never states the obvious.  If local governments are going to invest in a call center to create jobs, why pay a private company?  If the business were owned by the local public, it’s not going to skip town, leaving the employees high and dry.  Oops, Socialism!  I’m sure MacDonald will be down my throat for that one.]

    As America’s manufacturing base fled overseas in search of cheap labor under NAFTA and the WTO, some states offered massive subsidies to foreign corporations to open factories here.  In early 2006, Georgia Gov. Sunny Perdue offered Kia $400 million in subsidies to open a plant that would employ 2,500 at a cost of $160,000 per job, and Mississippi reportedly offered $1 billion in incentives at approximately $400,000 per job.  Then, of course, there is Wal-Mart.

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    By Sleeper, April 28, 2007 at 2:47 pm Link to this comment

    Well L.J. McDonald I guess you just couldn’t find the time to read about the Hidden history of Corporations in America.  Corporation have existed since the beginning of this nation.  They just had a number of controls placed on them by our Founding Fathers for “We The People”.  Now multinational Corporations own other Corporation while they generate enough money to severly influence our media and the politics of this country.  “We The People” have been removed from the picture.  We are bombarded with untruths which remain mostly unchallanged and when they are challenged with TRUTH those who make the challenge are made out to be crackpots.


              Duty To Impeach

    There has never been an executive duo more deserving of Impeachment then George W. Bush & Dick Cheney. They have sponsored a campaign to deceive Congress and “We The People” not only into an illegal War of aggression, but they have systematically embarked on a campaign to shred the very Constitution that they took an oath to defend. There is strong evidence of unethical if not illegal behavior by multiple staffers and appointees who carry out the wishes of these two executives.

    I agree with the premise of Maj. Gen. Smedley Butlers book “WAR IS A RACKET” and these two have exploited every facet of that Racket. Maj. Gen. Butler contends that as long as a few can make huge profits from War then we will be subject to continual War. Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler was a two time Medal of Honor Recipient and is well known by all United States Marines.

    Our servicemen and women are dying in Iraq so that private oil companies can obtain rights to Iraqi oil. The American taxpayer is not only financing this quest for private profit, but also paying extremely high costs for this energy at home. We are being robbed by those whose oath means nothing to them.

    Impeachment is the only answer. It is the duty of those who honor the oath they have taken.

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    By Lawrence J. McDonald, April 28, 2007 at 11:03 am Link to this comment
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    An (unintended?) consequence of corporations is the millions and millions of job opportunities that occur as the result of those corporations’ ability (talent) to make profits; the “creation” of jobs paying real money (wages) to millions and millions of real American citizens who work every day in the private sector. Without those privately-generated incomes/stock returns, Americans would require some other source of revenues to provide for themselves and/or their families; a “revenue stream”. so to speak, that would enable them to own/rent a domecile; buy food and clothing for themselves and their families; pay taxes so the various levels of government can fund their specific responsibilities to the public (i.e. schools w/teachers, police/fire protection, serviceable roads/highways, medicare, medicaid, social security benefits, veterans care, a strong military to protects our people from the Osama bin Laden’s of the world; annual foreign aid payments to Israel and Egypt, and on and on.

    How could the continued operation of the multi-trillion dollar “business” that the United States really is without the mechanics of the most powerful revenue producing entity (“the corporations”)stream (in the history of the planet) remaining in place?  In other words, where will the money come from? Not only for the federal. state. and local government taxes necessary to provide adequate services to their citizens; but, also, for the citizens themselves. Where would they get the cash to carry on without the corporations. “Show me the money, dude”.

    A very serious question, I would think, for 300 million Americans.  Or not?

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    By cann4ing, April 28, 2007 at 9:45 am Link to this comment

    re comment #66481 by Douglas Chalmers. 

    “The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little.” President Franklin Roosevelt.

    “The greatest challenge we face is the growing gap between the rich and poor people on earth.”  President Jimmy Carter.

    “More than anything else, I want to see the United States remain a country where someone can get rich.”  President Ronald Reagan.

    The problem occurs when corporate interests intrude into the public sphere.  The purpose of a corporation, as you have identified, is to secure profits, especially for the CEOs at the top.  The purpose of government is set forth in the preamble to the U.S. Constitution, “to promote the general welfare.”  That purpose has been corrupted so that, rather than serve the many, government has become a tool of a gaping inequality that threatens to move all but a handful of Americans into eternal subjugation.

    Paul Krugman’s 4/27/07 New York Times column, “Gilded Once More,” touches on this.  He notes that the top 25 hedge fund managers made a combined total of $14 billion last year.  “How much is $14 billion?  It’s more than it would cost to provide health care for a year to eight million children—the number of children in America who, unlike children in any other advanced country, don’t have health insurance.”

    Nowhere is the conflict between the public interest and corporate profits more acute than it is in the media, where a shrinking number of corporations have been granted monopoly licenses to operate on the “public” airwaves.  As Normon Solomon noted in “War Made Easy,” “NBC’s owner, General Electric, designed, manufactured, or supplied parts or maintenance for nearly every weapons system used by the United States in the Gulf War—including the Patriot and Tomahawk cruise missiles, the Stealth bomber, the B-52 bomber, the AWACS plane and the NAVTAR spy satellite system.  In other words, when correspondents and paid consultants on NBC television praised the performance of U.S. Weapons, they were extolling equipment made by GE, the corporation that pays their salaries.”

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    By M Currey, April 27, 2007 at 4:10 pm Link to this comment
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    By Sleeper, April 27, 2007 at 1:25 pm Link to this comment

    “Our Hidden History of Corporations in the United States”

    Corporate history in the United Statess has evolved through time and the motivations for these changes undermines controls put in place by our Founding Fathers.  The worst misconception is the acceptance of “Corporate Personhood”.  It was not a decision of the supreme court but never the less became an unchallanged and accepted premise of laws in force today.

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    By Lawrence J. McDonald, April 27, 2007 at 11:25 am Link to this comment
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    Mr. Canning:
    Are you against all corporate (for-profit) power or is it just the corporate media you have a problem with?
    If ALL (for-profit) corporations troubles you, Mr.Canning, how would you suggest they (the corporations) be changed (eliminated); changes that wouldn’t(negatively) affect the jobs/incomes of Americans working in the private-sector?

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    By ocjim, April 26, 2007 at 4:50 pm Link to this comment

    Re Dennis Kucinich’s willingness to speak out, including his bill to impeach Cheney, the impeachment of Cheney is the first priority even though Bush is also culpable; for we do not want to remove Bush, resulting in a Cheney succession to the presidency. Years ago, I would have doubted that an administration could commit so many abuses of power, tell so many blatant lies, cause so many unnecessary deaths, and harm so many people without being at least removed from office. That the opposition party still balks at removing the worst perpetrator, the malevolent Cheney, strains credulity. I would usually say that impeachment proceedings are too disruptive and divisive, even though this didn’t stop the anti-Clinton elements. In the time that remains in the Bush term, much damage can be done, so it would be wise to weaken and remove the would-be despots before the worst happens. I’m afraid that Mr. Kucinich cannot win the Democratic nomination, but he is one of a very few representatives of the people who has the courage to speak the truth rather than equivocate as Hillary has the tendency to do.
    My hat’s off to Dennis.

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    By cann4ing, April 26, 2007 at 9:07 am Link to this comment

    At long last, Mr. Kucinich will be provided the opportunity to demonstrate why, if judged by where a candidate stands on issues that truly matter to the vast majority of Americans—the middle and working classes—Mr. Kucinich should be seen as the only candidate in the running who deserves the label, “Democrat.”  The first Presidential debate will take place tomorrow night at 7 p.m. on MSNBC. 

    Typical of the corporate media, if you go to the MSNBC web site, you will find the photos of only three candidates displayed with respect to the event—Clinton, Obama and Edwards.

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    By Douglas Chalmers, April 26, 2007 at 6:41 am Link to this comment

    #66453 by Marshall on 4/25 at 10:02 pm: “...Withdrawal would result in kaos that no peace keeping force could put a lid on…”

    Rubbish! Iraq was a civilised country before even though under the heel of a dictator. After 1,000’s of years of civilisation, you think they need the USA to tell them how to live?

    Its not “like Afghanistan”, either. The simple point is that they don’t need the US there since Saddam was deposed. They have enough oil still to buy whatever assistance they need.

    They were already a democracy before the CIA interfered. What should be forthcoming now is the USA paying compensation for the damage and loss of life it has so wantonly caused. When will that happen???

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    By Marshall, April 25, 2007 at 11:02 pm Link to this comment
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    Kucinich wants to withdraw first, then organize a peace keeping effort?  Just what kind of crack is he on?  Withdrawal would result in kaos that no peace keeping force could put a lid on - the best army on the planet can barely keep the lid on now.  This guy is a radical dimwit more interested in opposition than solution.

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    By Lawrence J. McDonald, April 25, 2007 at 9:56 pm Link to this comment
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    You are correct, sir. Dennis Kucinich Dows have the support of the American people; not ALL of them of course, but the latest prez candidate poll shows Kucinich being supported (for president) by 1.9% of eligible Democratic voters. And those Americans are putting their money where their mouthes are as well. As of Aprli 13, 2007, Kucinich presidential campaign has received $348,000 in campaign contributions…..already. And the 2008 general election is still 18 months away; plenty of time for Dennis to take in, at least, another one-two more mil.
    It aint over til it’s over.  Right Alex grin  keep the faith, my brother. there’s always the afterlife.

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    By euni84, April 25, 2007 at 4:32 pm Link to this comment

    Democrats and Congress need to find a viable way to leave Iraq without it being in ruins. Simply leaving without planning would be a disaster, another Afghanistan. I don’t agree with Kucinich at all on a lot of his policies. They may sound like the right thing to do, bu they are ill-conceived. The US needs to join together with the rest of the world leaders in figuring out a multilateral way of ending terrorism and Mid-East tensions without engaging in war.  The protest by Shiites and continued attacks should serve to warn our government that there will continue to be resistance, and soon a collective against American occupation.

    To really get at the root of terrorism, global poverty needs to be addressed. Our leaders need to not abandon Iraq, but support its growth and the growth of other undeveloped countries by funding the UN Millennium Development Goals. According to the Borgen Project, just 0.16% of out federal budget is spent on poverty reduction while $340 billion has been spent on the war. We need to redirect our funds to programs that will work to combat the conditions that enable extremism to exist. We can’t fight terror with terror in a country we are espousing peace to; there needs to be an alternative.

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    By Alex, April 25, 2007 at 2:49 pm Link to this comment
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    The Subcommittee on Oversight of Domestic Policy has far broader jurisdiction than what Dennis had been expecting. He has oversight over all domestic agencies, etc.  He is investigating a great many issues that are making news, from threats to the food supply to the oil comanies to 9/11, itself.  He has the power and the courage to find out the truth about what happened on 9/11 and his committee will be using that. 

    Dennis also has the support of the American people.  The American people are fed up with the corruption of Bush and of Pelosi.  The people demand better.

    About the Patrick Henry Democratic Club of America, the endorsement, voted upon by the national membership, establishes which candidate represents the people of America and the principles upon which this country was founded.  Kucinich is the only candidate a modern day Patrick Henry could endorse from among those running for President.  The Patrick Henry Democratic Club of America does not do fundraising.  The organization is comprised of a great many knowledgeable professionals from a variety of fields who are working to educate the country and world on the issues, etc.

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    By cann4ing, April 24, 2007 at 7:22 pm Link to this comment

    re comment #66067 by Lawrence McDonald.  The name is “Canning,” Mr. McDonald, not “Canfield.”  The question is where candidates stand on the “issues” that truly matter to the vast majority of the American electorate.  You did not address the link between candidates and “issues” in your previous comments, and you still have not addressed them in any of your later comments. 

    The how and why media conglomerates seek to impair the message of candidates, like Mr. Kucinich, involves a complex set of economic factors that I fear may be beyond your level of comprehension.  As Tim Robbins observed in the foreward to “Tragedy & Farce,” “The very structure of our conglomerated media system conspires against real journalism, and, hence, against truth.  And without access to truth, democracy withers.”

    I suspect that you are more interested in attempting to score what you perceive is some hypothetical, yet thoroughly uninformed debating point than you are in acquiring knowledge.  I would be delighted to be wrong about that.  If so, in addition to “Tragedy & Farce,” I would recommend that you read “Manufacturing Consent: The Political Economy of the Mass Media” by Professors Edward Herman & Noam Chomsky, follow up with Danny Schechter, “When News Lies: Media Complicity and the Iraq War,” Normon Solomon, “War Made Easy:  How Presidents and Pundits Keep Spinning Us to Death,” and Amy Goodman’s two books, “Exception to the Rulers:  Exposing Oily Politicians, War Profiteers & the Media Who Love Them” and “Static: Government Liars, Media Cheerleaders, and the People Who Fight Back.”  You should also read Ms. Goodman’s article at this web site on the topic, and my early posting on that article.

    If you read and actually comprehend all that, then return to your glib postings, you will be embarassed by the level of ignorance you have just displayed.

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    By Lawrence J. McDonald, April 24, 2007 at 4:38 pm Link to this comment
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    To: Alex—There are no lies (or even exagerations) in anything that I’ve EVER written about Rep Dennis Kucinich(D-OH)on this Truthdig forum. If you’re so certain that I have, it would befoove you to provide some proof/evidence to support your hostile indictment of me and my character. I’m waiting, Alex.
    But I don’t have all evening, sir. Be respectful of my time.
    First, Dennis J. Kucinich is NOT the chairman of the “most powerful subcommittee in Congress” as you (Alex) have claimed. He chairs, instead, the subcommittee on Domestic Policy; an important subcommittee, to be sure, but hardly in the same league as the real “most powerful” house subcommittee: the “Subcommitte on National Security Emerging Threats and International Relations”. Kucinich WAS the ranking member on this key subcommittee for years and was first in line to succeed the departing Republican chairman after the Dems took back the House in the 2006 November elections. That changed quickly when Speaker Pelossi, majority leader, Stenny Hoyer, and the Dems most powerful and credible critic of Bush’s handling of the Iraq war, Rep. Jack Murtha, apparently, that the failed 2004 “fake” presidential candidate would turn his subcommittee’s hearings into Kucinich’s own presidential campaign soapbox instead of focusing on the subcommittees work at hand. So they gave him a smaller office outside the main Congress boiler room where he could be somewhat contained. rue story.

    Another disturbing factoid about Dennis J. Kucinich is that, after eleven years in congress (6 terms), Rep Kucinich has yet to have a single bill that he authored and/or co-authored which received the necessary votes to become law. That’s NONE for hundreds of Kucinich-authored legislative efforts.

    Why do you suppose that is? leadership elite conspiracy? mainstream media afraid to present him and his message? or is it because Kucinich’s bills are either poorly-conceived (Department of Peace) or just plain stupid (Department of Peace). What’s your take, Alex?

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    By PatrickHenry, April 24, 2007 at 3:05 pm Link to this comment

    Patrick Henry wasn’t a Democrat.  He’s rolling over in is grave to know progressive liberal democrats of Orange County Calif. have used his name as an endorsement to raise money.

    “The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able may have a gun”.

    This quote alone from PH would get him kicked out of their club but everyone likes the give me liberty or give me death quote so I guess they let him slide on this.

    Kucinich is a man with many forward thinking ideas its just that he can’t sell them to his fellow members of congress.  It’s all about charisma and politics at his level, image.  We’ll see how he does in the debates.

    He would be well placed in the green party which I would like to see get off the ground.

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    By Alex, April 24, 2007 at 1:01 pm Link to this comment
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    Mr. Lawrence McDonald,

    Do you always state flat-out lies and expect people to act upon them as truth?  Your claims about Dennis are so preposterous that you could qualify for the liar of the year award.

    Dennis is the chairman of the most powerful subcommittee in Congress.  The investigations being conducted by his committee are powerful.
    Domestic Policy
    Jurisdiction will include domestic policies, including matters relating to energy, labor, education, criminal justice, the economy, as well as the Office of National Drug Control Policy.
    Dennis J. Kucinich, Chairman

    Dennis is very influential.  Many of his bills have had over 50 co-sponsors.  Lynn Woolsey and Barbara Lee, the current leaders of the Progressive Caucus, normally side with Dennis against Pelosi when voting in Congress.

    Sure, Nancy Pelosi has been bought off by big corporate donors.  The public knows it.  Her constituents wanted someone to run against her in the primary.  Nancy only retains her seat by running unopposed in the Democratic Primary in San Francisco. Even Cynthia McKinney has been repeatedly asked to move to San Francisco so the people there can have a representative more suitable to them. 

    This is why Dennis Kucinich’s leadership is so valuable.  He provides the wisdom and desire to help the public that Pelosi lacks.  His support for the people is why he will win the Presidency in 2008.

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    By Douglas Chalmers, April 24, 2007 at 12:24 pm Link to this comment

    #65808 by Lawrence J. McDonald on 4/23 at 4:38 am: “...Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) continues to receive harsh criticism locally (in Cleveland) for his attacks on fellow Democratic presidential candidates for bowing out of FoxNews-sponsored candidate debates scheduled in Nevada and elsewhere. ...”

    While all that is going on, something interesting happened at FoxNews (or rather, NewsCorp)over the weekend. That was an arranged visit by the Australian federal government opposition party leader and considering the Murdoch’s Fox New network in the USA has been an avid supporter of the Bush administration, that Murdoch laughingly anointed Australia’s Labor opposition party leader Kevin Rudd with a casual “Oh, I’m sure” as regards to his suitability as a future prime minister is quite some indicator of how much things have changed.

    He is now following Arni Swarzenegger and other Republican state governors in loudly ignoring the Bush regime and getting on with local policies and issues and especially in regard to the falling US dollar and the aftermath of hurricane Katrina. Dumping Howard is code for dumping Bush and accepting Kevin Rudd is the way has quietly chosen to do that. The Democrats are now a reality in the USA and Labor will soon be in Australia too.

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    By Lawrence J. McDonald, April 24, 2007 at 10:46 am Link to this comment
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    So, Mr. Canfield, apparently believes that the Democratic House leadership (i.e. Speaker Pelosi, Majority Ldr Stenni Hoyer, and the Dems most respected Iraq war critic, Rep. John Murtha) and other powerful Dem House members along with the most powerful, most influential, mainstream elite media outlets are in cahoots to discredit and ignore Rep. Kucinich’s presidential “campaign” in order to further their own anti-Bush administration efforts. Is that what he’s saying? I, for one, would be interested in his theories as to why their “shunning” of Rep Kucinich could be productive.

    As of Flast Friday, Kucinich has raised a TOTAL of $345,000 in campaign donations. This despite the fact that the failed 2004 presidential candidate already has a lengthy list of former presidential campaign donators; many who are wealthy Hollywood liberals who donated generously to his last (2004) campaign. What does Mr.
    Canfield attribute this apparent “drying up” of, formerly, reliable money sources? Have they soured on Kucinich? What could, possibly, be the reason that Kucinich is having such a difficult time raising cash this time? Inquiring minds want to know, Mr.Canfield.

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    By cann4ing, April 24, 2007 at 9:06 am Link to this comment

    re comment #66000 by Lawrence J. McDonald.  Mr. McDonald confuses cause and effect.  He tells us that when “Kucinich’s name is even brought up by media political [sic.] which is rare, it’s usually…accompanied by comments critical of the congressman.”  Citing the outcome, he concludes that the vast majority of the electorate rejected Mr. Kucinich.

    While the “media” referenced by Mr. McDonald is not defined, it is obvious that he means the “corporate media” and the “elite” political pundits who have a vested interest in seeing that elections are decided on horse race questions that prevent the public from linking candidates to where they stand on issues that truly matter—the method through which the middle and working classes perpetuate a system that creates their eternal subjugation.  This creates what Noam Chomsky aptly refers to as a “democracy deficit” in which the so-called “leaders” we select work against the interests of the electorate.

    As noted by John Nichols & Robert McChesney observed in “Tragedy & Farce:  How the American Media Sell Wars, Spin Elections and Destroy Democracy,” “Nothing so undermines the legitimacy of a presidential campaign in the months before the caucuses and primaries begin as the denial of ongoing and throughful coverage.  Over time, the media sends the message that certain candidates are not to be take seriously.  And, in case anyone misses the subtle signal, it sometimes is delivered directly,” as occurred in December 2003 when Ted Koppel launched a direct assault, “How did Dennis Kucinich and Al Sharpton and Carol Moseley Braun get into this thing?  ...Some candidates who are perceived as serious are gasping for air, and what littel oxygen there is on stage will be taken up by one-third of the people who do not have a snowball’s chance in hell of winning the nomination.”

    Mr. Kucinich offered a classic retort, to the sustained applause of the live audience:  “I want the American people to see where media takes politics in this country.  We start talking about endorsements, now we’re talking about polls and then talking about money.  When you do that you don’t have to talk about what’s important to the American people.”

    Mr. McDonald’s many rants track this classic corporate line.  He talks about “Democratic elites” not liking Kucinich.  He talks about the political pundits in the corporate media who either ignore or deride him.  He talks about poll numbers.  He “never” focuses on where Mr. Kucinich, or any other candidate for that matter, stands on “issues” that truly matter.

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    By Lawrence J. McDonald, April 24, 2007 at 3:57 am Link to this comment
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    Re; Ernest Canning’s defense of Rep. Kucinich.

    I agree with Mr. Canning’s assertion that the middle and working class “make up the vast majority of the American electorate” and those folks overwhelmingly rejected Kucinich’s presidential aspirations in the 2004 Dem primaries. His fake campaign netted him only 26 Dem delegates, despite him spending $15 million in the disastrous effort. The people, the Democrat electorate, spoke in 2004, and they resoundingly rejected his ideas. His 2008 campaign efforts are, apparently, being received even less enthusiastically than 2004. When Kucinich’s name is even brought up by media political (which is rare), it’s usually (unfortunately) accompanied by comments ridiculing the congressman. He still hasn’t raised even $1 million in presidential campaign donations; despite Kucinich’s very early entry into the 2008 race. And it’s not because Kucinich is an unknown quality either. The six-term congressman is a fixture on the national political scene; his antiwar and anti-NAFTA/CAFTA positions are well established.

    Except for his tiny band of supporters, the American people have spoken: They’re not interested in the presidential aspirations of Rep Dennis J. Kucinich. That’s how it works in a Democracy.

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    By cann4ing, April 23, 2007 at 9:24 pm Link to this comment

    re comment #65915 by Lawrence J. McDonald.  Mr. McDonald tells us that we must reject Dennis Kucinich because he has been “all but dismissed today by the House leadership and the Democratic Party elite.”

    I am afraid, Mr. McDonald, that you have stood the meaning of democracy on its head.  Unlike a top down, Leninist Party, power inside a truly “Democratic Party” flows from the bottom up.  Since when are the electorate to take their cue as to who to vote for based on the preferences of the elite?

    This so-called Democratic “leadership” derives its power from the consent of the governed—the middle and working class that make up the vast majority of the American electorate.  When these Democratic “leaders” betray the American electorate by supporting neoliberal devices like NAFTA and the WTO which permitted the “corporate elites” to outsource America’s manufacturing base in search of cheap foreign labor as the remains of American labor is Wal-Mart-ized, when these so-called Democratic “leaders” betrayed the voters by funding an illegal war of aggression (funding that goes primarily to Halliburton, Blackwater and the other war profiteers); when they betrayed our troops by enabling Geo. Bush to leave them in harm’s way, all the while insisting that the Iraqi government deliver that black sticky substance to the oil cartel on the cheap, when these so-called “leaders” betray democracy and the rule of law by taking impeachment “off-the-table” and when these so-called Democratic elites are exposed as the bought and paid for servants of the healthcare insurance industry, the military-industrial complex and AIPAC, it will be We the People who will tell your so-called Democratic Party elites just where to go.

    Up with Kucinich!  Down with the elites!

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    By Lawrence J. McDonald, April 23, 2007 at 4:43 pm Link to this comment
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    Dennis J. Kucinich was first elected to Congress in 1996 and was sworn into office in January 1997. He’s in his sixth term. Despite all his alleged notoriety, Kucinich is one of the least influential, least effective members of Congress; on either side of the political aisle. Not enough has been written about him being removed as chairman of the Democratic Progressive Caucus; the largest caucus in the party. Nor of him being bumped from probably being the incoming chairman of a key Government Reform sub-committe; instead being shipped out to chair a less visible subcommittee instead. It’s no secret that Kucinich is not one of the Dem Party leadership’s favorites. He doesn’t have enough juice in the halls of congress to fill a shot glass.

    Isn’t it telling that Kucinich, one of the first, and possibly the loudest, critic of Bush’s war in Iraq and the Patriot Act has been all but dismissed today by the House leadership and the Democratic Party elite?the politician? When was the last time you saw a picture of Dennis Kucinich with Speaker Pelosi, Majority Leader Stenny Hoyer, and/or the most credible Democratic critic of all, Representative John Murtha?

    Dennis Kucinich has yet to author or co-author a bill that was eventually made law. None. Zero. Zilch. He’s zero for hundreds. after twn (10) years in Congress. How can that be? How could anyone be that ineffectual yet still be re-elected every election? Get completely crushed (humiliated) in the 2004 presidential and spending nearly $15 million of other people’s money while doing it?

    And I bet Kucinich thinks his supporters got off cheap.

    God Bless America.

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    By Sleeper, April 23, 2007 at 4:02 pm Link to this comment

    I really don’t care how well he gets along with the democratic leadership.  The are happy to be in power and they don’t have what it takes for revolutionary change.  They are bought off by many of the same corporate entities as the republican hawks. 

    Who speaks for “WE THE PEOPLE”?  Nobody has been speaking for us for decades.  Clinton may have been popular and he did remove our debt, but he also ushered in these free trade agreements.  We need a voice and we need to demand it by exposing all those who propose candy coated half measures.

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    By Lawrence J. McDonald, April 23, 2007 at 5:38 am Link to this comment
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    Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) continues to receive harsh criticism locally (in Cleveland) for his attacks on fellow Democratic presidential candidates for bowing out of FoxNews-sponsored candidate debates scheduled in Nevada and elsewhere. Kucinich publicly stated that “it’s an insult to the voters, and the height of cynicism, for candidates to refuse to take the public stage and subject themselves to public scrutiny.” Kucinich has famously (and consistantly) refused to participate in local congressional candidates’ debate forums in every election campaign since he was first elected to the House in 1996.

    The last local congressional debate in which Kucinich participated was in 1996 when then-incumbent Rep.Martin Hoke agreed to debate him, the challenger, at the prestigious City Club of Cleveland. Kucinich has not returned to the Cleveland City Club candidates forums since. He has also refused to debate any challengers at the League of Womens’ Voters debate forums either.

    Kucinich’s assertion that “The public deserves honest, open, and fair public debate” would be laughable if not so eye-poppingly hypocritical. Local efforts to have Ohio’s 10th district representative removed from his position have increased dramatically with the Cleveland Plain Dealer leading that effort. Increased scrutiny of his abysmal record in Congress has revealed that Kucinich has yet to sponsor or co-sponsor a single piece of legislation which eventually became law. Kucinich was also removed, NOT voluntarily,  from his former chairmanship of the House Progressive Caucus. He was also removed from consideration to assume the chairmanship of a key House Government Reform subcommittee by Speaker Pelosi and Rep. Henry Waxman, allegedly, because the Dem leadership feared he would turn any and all hearing that he presided over into a personal soapbox to air his own campaign rhetoric. Doesn’t say much for his own Dem peers confidence in his leadership abilities.

    The latest local poll also revealed that 76% of all local Democratic voters want him replaced in the next Dem primary next year. Kucinich may well be running for his party’s nomination for president as a lame-duck congressman in 2008. Wouldn’t that be a hoot?

    Lawrence J. McDonald
    Cleveland, OH

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    By Peter RV, April 23, 2007 at 5:17 am Link to this comment
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    Kucinich will have my vote if he presents impeachement papers for the BushGang but he can’t drag me alone with the Democrats in in the election unless himself or Al Gore is the Democratic candidate.
      No more Howard Dean stunts.

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    By Douglas Chalmers, April 22, 2007 at 9:37 pm Link to this comment

    Dawn - “...They share features of the behaviors of sociopaths:  glibness and superficial charm, manipulative and conning (they never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming but covertly they are hostile and domineering. They dominate and humiliate their victims.), grandiose sense of self, pathological lying, lack of remorse, shame or guilt, shallow emotions, lack of empathy, paranoid and secretive….”

    Psychopaths in suits!!!

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    By Alex, April 22, 2007 at 9:27 pm Link to this comment
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    Dear Patrick Henry,
    Surely the real Patrick Henry would have supported a great candidate like Dennis Kucinich.  Unlike Hillary Clinton and the other candidates, Dennis has the courage to stand up and fight for the people of the United States.  This is why Dennis will be the next President.

    For your information, the Patrick Henry Democratic Club of America endorsed Dennis for President back in December.  Their endorsement of Kucinich better serves the memory of Patrick Henry than does your comment.

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    By Dawn, April 22, 2007 at 9:19 pm Link to this comment

    I am looking forward to Dennis Kucinich presenting articles of impeachment in the House this week. It is about time. Democratic constituents have been waiting for someone to put impeachment on the table—Cheney first . . . then Bush, and Gonzalez. Kucinich will be seen as the people’s advocate that he is.

    George Bush has stated that the war in Iraq will continue as long as he is in office. If we have to remove this man from office to end the war—so be it.

    Virginia Tach has been the catalyst for people to start discussing the issue of allowing mentally ill people to purchase guns and be in a position where they can harm others. We can see the derangement of Cho so clearly. Can’t we paint Bush and Cheney with the same brush of insanity? Their actions have actually caused the death and torture of so many more people.

    Bush, Cheney and Gonzalez all seem to suffer from anti-social personality disorders. They share features of the behaviors of sociopaths:  glibness and superficial charm, manipulative and conning (they never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming but covertly they are hostile and domineering. They dominate and humiliate their victims.), grandiose sense of self, pathological lying, lack of remorse, shame or guilt, shallow emotions, lack of empathy, paranoid and secretive. Why have we allowed these mentally ill people to be in charge of our country for so long? Gonzalez wrote the “torture memos”, Cheney lied us into a bogus war, and Bush has ordered the killing of thousands of people in Iraq. They all lack remorse, shame or guilt for anything they’ve done. And it is these men who have their “finger on the button” that could destroy the world as we know it. A triple impeachment is in order—Cheney first.

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    By cann4ing, April 22, 2007 at 12:53 pm Link to this comment

    re comment 67651 by PatrickHenry.  Rubbish!

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    By Sleeper, April 22, 2007 at 12:53 pm Link to this comment

    If Dennis leads the charge to impeach Cheney and then Bush I think he will rise sharply in the polls.  In the process many politicians will show their true colors.  The varying degrees of corporatist/facist supporters and who they serve will receive an airing.  Dennis is a true leader that many will follow.

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    By PatrickHenry, April 22, 2007 at 9:30 am Link to this comment

    I don’t think Kucinich, has snowballs chance in hell in the Presidential race, although he has good idea’s.  He would excel in any cabinet job and could really do some good.

    He’s a far cry from Hillary’s corporate demeanor.

    His advocating against handguns will sink him as democrats are finally realizing that everyday Americans value their guns more than politicians. 

    They are our only protection when the government is or isn’t there.

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    By Pete, April 19, 2007 at 1:38 pm Link to this comment
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    Can you imagine any “conservative” businessman being told that he had to pay whatever price was dictated by his suppliers? Can you imagine the Republican howl if a Democrat brought up the idea of price controls for the oil industry? So how come they want the pharmaceutical industry to dictate prices to Medicare & Medicaid? Isn’t pricing a function of the “market” and the arms length process?Or has Billy Tauzin replaced Adam Smith in the economist’s pantheon? Please have a conservative explain Republican opposition to the following;

    WASHINGTON April 18 (UPI)— In a defeat for Democrats, a bill giving the U.S. government the power to negotiate directly with pharmaceutical companies for lower Medicare prices was blocked Wednesday in the Senate.

    The measure would have overturned a part of Medicare law that bans the government from such direct bargaining in the Part D prescription-drug program.

    A majority of 55 senators voted for the bill. Two lawmakers who support the bill, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., and Sen. Tim Johnson, D-S.D., did not cast votes.

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    By Kol Klink, April 17, 2007 at 9:52 pm Link to this comment
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    Mr. Kucinich, you have my vote. Thanks for offering us a sane alternative to the myriad chickenhawks that are running for president and are in the pockets of AIPAC. I have sent a contribution to your campaign and will send another. Good Luck.

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    By Mad As Hell, April 17, 2007 at 7:15 pm Link to this comment
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    If, by some weird combination of events, Dennis Kucinch manages to get elected President, I will, as I’ve said, contribute the maximum amount allowed to his re-election campaign.  Which of you, his supporters, will make a similar commitment to the Democratic nominee, if it isn’t him?  Of course, I know this is a very safe bet on my part.

    Of course, if he turns out, as an administrator, to yet again be a total screwup, as he was as mayor, then we’ll have a the Dems’ answer to Bush in the WH.  Oh, Joy!

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    By don knutsen, April 17, 2007 at 5:22 pm Link to this comment

    Its true that Kucinich might not have the charisma, the TV celebrity appeal that we in this shallow society that america has become are used to voting for. He is one, perhaps the only member of Congress that still believes that he is there to represent what the people want vs. large corporations. He is one of the very few that saw thru bu$h’s lies from the very beginning. He, more then any other of the democrats that are running deserves our vote. We all know it shouldn’t be about who has the most money in their cophers, it should be about who has the best ideas / vision. Most importantly its gotta be about who had the guts to stand up to the present criminals from the very start of this long period of the dismantlinig of our democracy. Isn’t it time we vote for the person who would be best for the nation ? How far down the shitter do we have to fall before we smell the stink and wake up from our stupor? I hope as the months go on, more people will realize that the most important thing we can do is change the direction this administration has taken us these past 6+ years, and indict these criminals for their crimes, not let bu$h retire to his El Rancho Hubris in Paraguay. We, as a country have alot to answer for over our foreign policy decisions made by both democratic and republican administrations during the last 50 years, from the middle east to South America where we have consistantly supported right wing dictators with their death squads as long as they were against the leftists, from Iran in ‘53 to Guatamala, Hondurus, Chile, San Salvador, Nicaragua, and yes even Israel while they build walls and bulldoze down the homes of the Palestinians. Its just that we had never up till this current idiot ever had an administration as hell bent towards imperialism with such a complete disdain for our democracy and as completely inept in all its functions as this administration…we have been heading this way for along time, but this current bunch has sped up the process considerably. We need to admit our mistakes and turn back to representing the good instead of the greedy. As long as we continue to make our politics a matter of money it will never function for the people as it was meant to. We need to quit letting big buisness purchase our goverment to do only their bidding at all the rest our expense.It can only continue our spiral towards a corporat facist state…If you think it can’t happen here your kidding yourself. We are fast losing it all right before our eyes, and the longer we allow it to continue the more impossible regaining what america used to be becomes. We are pissing off enough of the rest of the world where they, holding a large portion of our debt in their banks will make sure we can never again be the biggest de-stabilizing force on the planet. Watch Moyer’s show on the evening of April 25th…and take the time to pass on what you learn.

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    By cann4ing, April 17, 2007 at 4:50 pm Link to this comment

    Re comments #64460 by Alex and #64420 by Mad as Hell.  Both describe themselves as “realists” but come to very different conclusions.  That is because the Mad one has bought into the so-called “conventional wisdom” propagated by the corporate media pundits. 

    As revealed by John Nichols & Robert McChesney in “Tragedy & Farce:  How the American Media Sell Wars, Spin Elections, and Destroy Democracy,” media pundits, themselves misled by Karl Rove, sold a gullible electorate that Bush and Rove feared Kerry; were hoping for a Dean nomination when, in truth, the reverse was true—that Rove feared that an anti-war candidate would do in 2004 precisely what anti-war candidates did in 2006.  Kerry, the corporatist hawk, swallowed the idiotic DLC line that Democrats have to run to the right to capture the now non-existent “Reagan Democrats”—a long-since Wal-Mart-ized working class. 

    In the case of Kucinich, Nichols and McChesney observed, “Nothing so undermines the legitimacy of a presidential campaign in the months before the caucuses and primaries begin than the denial of ongoing and thoughtful coverage.  Over time, the media sends the message that certain candidates are not to be taken seriously.”  To assure that the Mad ones in the electorate got the message, Ted Koppel, at a December 2003 debate openly challenged the legitimacy of the Kucinich, Al Sharpton and Carol Mosely Brown campaigns, staing:  “Some candidates who are perceived as serious are gasping for air, and what little oxygen there is on the stage will be taken up by one-third of the people who do not have a snowball’s chance in hell of winning the nomination.”

    Kucinich’s retort was classic:  “I want the American people to see where the media take politics in this country.  We start talking about endorsements, now we’re talking about polls and then talking about money.  When you do that you don’t have to talk about what’s important to the American people.”

    How can any of us be considered a “citizen” of a democracy if we permit the conglomerated media to manipulate the electoral process in such a tawdry fashion?  The idea that we must limit our vote to pseudo-democrats who merely pander to the middle and working classes while, behind closed doors, they, like the hapless Social Democrats of the Weimar Republic, abandon their constituencies, attempting to placate the insatiable appetite of the American fascists, handing them such things as NAFTA, the WTO, the Military Commissions Act, the USA/PATRIOT Act, war authorizations and war funds whenever needed?

    The first decision each of us as individual “citizens” must make is whether we will continue to swallow the corporate line telling us who is an “acceptable” candidate, or whether we will carefully examine a candidate on where he or she stands on “issues” that truly matter.

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    By Alex, April 16, 2007 at 9:06 pm Link to this comment
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    Mr. Canning, as a realist, I know that Kucinich is the only Democratic candidate who could win the Presidency.  He did better in the Moveon poll than Hillary, and Moveon was founded by Clinton supporters.  Kucinich did well despite the fact that most of his supporters had unsubscribed from Moveon over its support for the funding and could not vote in that poll.  He has done well in other polls, also.

    The reason that no other Democrat can win the Presidency is that peace activists (most of the Democratic Party) has vowed not to back a Presidential candidate who has voted for the war or war funding.  That means that any other candidate would have to win without the support of most Democrats.  As long as Americans do not give up on the Democratic Party before the primary, Kucinich will win the primary.  After that he is guaranteed a landslide in the general election.

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    By Mad As Hell, April 15, 2007 at 4:06 pm Link to this comment
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    Mr. Canning:

    Nothing I say will impact you. I understand that.  Been there, done that, watched McCarthy and McGovern lose to realists.

    The polls I’VE read say Kucinich has about 2% of the Democratic vote.  That’s about 1% of the total vote—or 1.2 million votes out of 120 million (the number cast in 2004).

    You, because it’s inconvenient, ignore two points:

    1—I’m no big fan of Clinton. I prefer Gore, Edwards and Obama over her, in that order.  I have BIG problems with Mrs. Clinton including: her Cheney-like way of “deciding” what the best health system was.  Right or wrong, her approach to that decision was wrong, like Cheney’s, elitist and secretive. Then there was her support of the Iraq war, her later support, her refusal to acknowledge a mistake, and her slowness to break with Fox Noise.

    2—The alternative of 4 more years of GOP rule is intolerable to our Democracy and freedom.  This is SO crucial that ANY Democrat is easily preferable to ANY Republican, especially President Catastrophe.

    Much as I admire, I do not admire their polling abilities, or trust them.

    Arguing for ideological purity when our freedom is in serious danger from the neo-con-fascists is like arguing over the deck chair arrangement on the sinking Titanic.

    Or, as the well-known Viet Nam metaphor went: When you are up to your ass in alligators it’s difficult to remember that the original objective was to drain the swamp.

    And we are DEFINITELY up to our asses in facist neo-con alligators, and only since the end of January have we had a shot at avoiding being consumed by them.

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    By Sleeper, April 15, 2007 at 2:03 pm Link to this comment

    The contrast talked about by Earnest Canning between Dennis and the other Democratic (Corporate / Bushlite) candidates is the reason that Dennis should win.  We need to make sure these differences are heard above the constant corporate sponsored mantras for these other candidates.

    I got a date mixed up on my last entry.  Aug. 28 & 29 we were in a crossfire with some snipper fire directed at us and occassional RPG’s or Mortar explosions surrounding us at LS-RED or (Rockbase).  The Artillery piece was a day or two later.  I believe it was our A/C 42 (a Cobra) that took four rounds and destroyed the APC.

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    By cann4ing, April 15, 2007 at 10:47 am Link to this comment

    Rejoinder to comments 63340, 63566 & 63458 by Mad as Hell.  (Part II)

    We are talking about the differences between a candidate (Kucinich) who proposes a single-payer healthcare system which eliminates the for-profit healthcare insurance industry which is responsible for 31% of this nation’s spiraling healthcare costs vs. the bogus “universal coverage” plans of Clinton/Obama/Edwards that amount to subsidy schemes designed to line the pockets of the for-profit healthcare insurance industry CEOs.  We are talking about the difference between a candidate (Kucinich) who is prepared to directly confront the out-of-control military/industrial complex and the stranglehold the conglomerated corporate media have on what we see, hear and read vs. candidates whose campaign coffers have swelled with corporate monies precisely because, in this global class war, they stand with the rich and the powerful.  We deal with a bit more than “ideological purity” when we see a candidate, like Mrs. Clinton, who, in pandering to AIPAC, makes statements about Iran that are more belicose than anything eminating from the Bush White House.

    While much of what is wrong can be laid to the doorstep of a corrupt corporate media, in the end, the responsibility for our nation’s malaise can be laid to the doorstep of each of us.  We can continue to ask the wrong question (Which “Democratic” candidate is likely to be the winner?) or we can ask the right questions (Which candidate best represts the vast majority of Americans—the middle and working classes?  Which candidate offers a real alternative to the neoliberal and neoconservative agendas?)

    A “democracy deficit” will exist so long as the majority of Americans, like yourself, ask the wrong question.

    Finally, if despite all that, you insist on asking the wrong question, it might interest you to know that, despite the vast gap in campaign contributions and the existence conglomerated media shroud that has been used to prevent the bright light that is the Kucinich campaign from being seen by the American people, in a recent MoveOn poll Kucinich was third, ahead of the media-dubbed “front runner” Hillary Clinton.

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    By cann4ing, April 15, 2007 at 10:25 am Link to this comment

    Rejoinder to comments 63340, 63566 & 63458 by Mad as Hell.  (Part I) 

    A rejoinder to these posts is long overdue.  The Mad one’s approach to elections typifies the reason for what Noam Chomsky describes as a “democracy deficit.”  We are told that we must ignore where candidates truly stand on issues that truly matter; that we must vote for those candidates that the corporate media says are “electable” because the alternative is the neoconservative fascists.  As a result, an American electorate that voted overwhelmingly Democratic in the 2006 mid-term to end an illegal war of aggression gets a Congress that takes a cut-off of funds “off-the-table;”  a Congress that, no matter the existence of high crimes and misdomeanors that threaten the very survival of our constitutional democracy in peril, takes impeachment “off-the-table;” a previous Congress in which 12 Senate Democrats joined with Republicans in passing a Military Commissions Act in eliminating the fundamental right of habeas corpus that dates back to the Magna Carta because they wanted to “eliminate the amount of daylight” between the two parties regarding the so-called “war on terror” in the 2006 elections. 

    The Mad one tells us that the distinction between Dennis Kucinich and Hillary Clinton is simply a question of ideological purity.  It is far greater than that, my Mad friend.  Mrs. Clinton is the spouse of a former President who betrayed the middle and working classes as he pushed through the neoliberal agenda of Reagan/Bush in the form of NAFTA and the WTO, devices which permitted the outsourcing of America’s manufacturing base in search of cheap foreign labor as American labor was Wal-Mart-ized, joining the race to the bottom.  It was this betrayal, more than the Nader campaign, that opened the door to conditions which permitted America’s fascists to steal the 2000 election.

    Note, I did not say a Gore “loss” of the 2000 election.  Careful academic analysis, such as that provided by Freeman & Bleifuss in “Was the 2004 presidential election stolen?” establish that the 437,000 vote discrepancy between the Florida 2000 exit-polls and the “official count”—a discrepancy that arose primarily in counties where computer voting was present—cannot be explained away by focusing upon the relatively minor numbers of hanging chads—this in a state where the Republi-crooks engaged in an array of illegal voter suppression efforts, including the purging of some 57,000 mostly Democratic and mostly innocent African-American voters under the illegal Katherine Harris/Choice Point felony purge list.

    Ideological purity?  We are talking about the difference between a candidate (Kucinich) who opposed the war in Iraq from the start; who has offered the only comprehensive plan to force the immediate extraction of our troops, replacing them with a multi-national force under the auspices of the U.N., ending imperial control of Iraq’s economy and oil vs. a so-called “Democratic leadership” which has already betrayed the American electorate and our troops by voting for funds that enable the Bush regime to keep our young men and women in harm’s way to the end of Bush’s term while simultaneously pressing the puppet regime in Iraq to pass a hydrocarbon law that will permit the oil companies unfettered access to that nation’s oil at bargain-basement prices.

    End of part I

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    By Concrete man, April 15, 2007 at 5:22 am Link to this comment
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    It is possible that Kucinich is finally pulling his head out of the Democrat Party wool sweater he wears, just as Cynthia McKinney recently strongly blasted the Dems, but his record shows him to be a false flag operative, witness his comment to “bring the dissenters back into the big tent” of the Dumbocrats. What gives with that? I have never heard of Kucinich standing up for the Palestinians or condemning AIPAC, therefore, I submit he is a political phoney.

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    By Douglas Chalmers, April 15, 2007 at 3:53 am Link to this comment

    *Sleeper, thanks for your informative response.
    I’ve been watching some of the videos posted by US military in Iraq on and there are apparently two different kinds.  One group has duty, loyalty and “the job” in mind and they are more or less frustrated and consternated by the realization of the futility and hypocrisy of it all. The other few, though, seem to enjoy the killing and the camaraderie (especially the killing) and it is clear from their blog postings that they have become arrogantly warped in their outlook on life (even psychotic).
    There is one sure thing about “Dante’s Inferno”, though. It is a ‘hell’ right here on Earth which we have all made for each other - and continue to replicate with every new war! Can you imagine a world without war, though? Why, there would be no more $$billions for arms and munitions manufacturers. It could even spell an end to globalisation - and there would be a ‘level playing field’ for all in world trade.
    One way or another, this is all coming to an end. If we don’t actually end up first in a US-created global nuclear war, we could still find a way to kill each other over shrinking resources and selfish imperatives. Whichever, there is the ultimate REALITY of climate change to be faced and whether we survive it or not depends on mutual co-operation, not conflict. If there is one thing for sure, it is that no amount of aircraft carrier attack groups or threats of pre-emptive strikes with WMD’s will have the slightest effect on the Hurricane Katrinas or the rising sea levels or the devastating droughts.

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    By Christie, April 14, 2007 at 4:59 pm Link to this comment

    Kucinich. Hm. I might take him more seriously had he not rolled over to back hawks Kerry and Edwards in ‘04.

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    By Sleeper, April 14, 2007 at 3:25 pm Link to this comment

    “Either we’re going to make a real commitment to peace and to diplomacy and international cooperation, or we’re going to descend into some lower circle of Dante’s Inferno where we have nothing but destruction and where we have all hope lost…..”
    These and the other words in this commentors reply are on target.  Its a simple analysis and very true.  We have claimed on some levels to be represenatives of peace, but in the undercurrents we are not so unbiased.  In fact it is a game to some who are removed from the front lines.

    As a Marine in Lebanon in 1983 I believed in the purpose of the mission.  Since then I have had many doubts.  We came under fire shortly after the Israeli’s pulled out. 

    Two Cobra’s and a huey came underfire on Aug. 29, 1983 from an Israeli Amored Personel carrier and it was destroyed by one of the cobra’s.  They were getting a good fix on an artilery position that had fired on the Marines position at the Airport.  It was later destroyed along with its supporting munitions.  Then recently I have heard about RDX Rag Bombs as being the main component of the explosive device in the truck that crashed the gate and blew up the barracks.  Hezbollah had no access to this material, but we did and Israel did along with a short list of other countries.  I have heard our intelligence community knows exactly how this material got into the hands of Hezbollah yet they keep that classified.  Why after 24 years would that still be classified? 

    I have never felt as helpless as I did while on the USS Iwo Jima on Oct. 23, 1983.  We unloaded our birds bringing strechers and cots of wounded to the elevators all day long.  The friends you didn’t see were gone.  This time there are many more paying the price for this globalist game, lies and all.

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    By Douglas Chalmers, April 14, 2007 at 2:04 pm Link to this comment

    “Either we’re going to make a real commitment to peace and to diplomacy and international cooperation, or we’re going to descend into some lower circle of Dante’s Inferno where we have nothing but destruction and where we have all hope lost…..”
    WW1 was simple - the enemy was “over there”. WW2 had two enemies but it was still simple - they conveniently wore uniforms so you knew who to shoot at. The war in Korea in 1950 was less simple - because it was started by the US as an invasion and led to a permanent division of the country - and almost ended with the nuclear bombing of China! (search “General Curtis LeMay”).
    So, too, the war in Vietnam (the Vietnamese called it the “American war”!) was less simple for the same reasons - the USA bought France’s problems (they had re-invaded despite losing their own freedom in WW2!) and a divided country was lost entirely as well as destroying neighboring Cambodia! The Russians (USSR) then moved in with their own naval base.
    West Asia (the “middle East”) was once simple - just leave everything up to Israel (and previously Britain) and back them blindly for whatever they want. Setting up shop in Lebanon in the 1980’s proved what a risky region it really was  “...trying to help the people of Lebanon restore order and stability to that troubled land…” ( or search “US Marines Lebanon”).
    Nothing is going to save the USA now in West Asia. Ever since the fall of the Turkish empire almost a century ago, all of its main troubles have been caused, directly or indirectly, by European (mainly British) and USA meddling. Each country has its own very long history of civilization and it is only necessary to trade in a cordial manner to have all the oil and gas needed and supplied reliably at a reasonable price.
    The mess the USA has found itself in is the result of trying to be too clever in a region of a dozen countries whose cultures are far too complex to easily understand and their populations far too numerous to ever be subjected to the yoke of Western imperialism. What victory was there to be had by backing a loser (Israel) in the region? Westerners don’t even understand the origins of Christianity well enough to even realize how completely they have been fooled and used by one small nation!

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    By Peter RV, April 14, 2007 at 12:42 pm Link to this comment
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    Since Dr Wu mentions a 600 pounds beast (oil) in the room nobody sees, may I add there is an even more tremendous one (Israel) which is omnipresent and unmentionable in all our ME discussions. Dennis doesnt’t seem to see it either.

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    By Jeff Badura, April 14, 2007 at 8:37 am Link to this comment
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    i find it so amusing that a consistent believer in the left-wing nut-roots dogma, like Kucinch gets almost no play from the Dem’s ??? why is that ??? he was against the war before it was cool to be, and he said so, while Edwards and Clinton were voting to invade Iraq !! he was a populist while Edwards and Clinton were in support of NAFTA, but today you have the pandering, sycophant, Edwards, a born again, anti-war, flip-flopper, who is the new darling of the nut-roots!! (thank Ann Coulter, i guess?) when Kucinich has been with you guys from day one!! but he still in on the outside, looking in !!  then your new hero, that Hollywierd is swooning over is Barak “Hussein” Obama!! (poor Hillary) so the stand up guy Kucinich is ignored, just like he was for his high-school prom !!

    the bulk of the Dem party, is all about show, its fake !! they stand for nothing, the non-binding Dem’s !! to feckless to support a war, and to feckless to stop it, their as fake as Palosi’s face, and Bidens hair-line, and the truth is Dennis just ain’t as pretty as Edwards and Obama !! sorry Kucinich in a party were women rule, your all done !! too bad but keep up the good hard work, for your ungrateful friend’s,

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    By cann4ing, April 13, 2007 at 6:53 pm Link to this comment

    Re comment #63875 by Dr. Wu.  With all due respect, your statement that Mr. Kucinich does not mention oil as the reason we went into Iraq is just flat out wrong!  Here is what Mr. Kucinich had to say at a recent, Democracy Now! interview:  “My plan would be as follows:  to put in place the provisions of HR 1234, which ends the occupation, closes the bases, sets in motion a plan to bring the troops home, bring in international peacekeepers, and stop the privatizationh of Iraq oil.  One of the things in the bill that passed the House was a demand that the Iraq government pass a hydrocarbon act which sets the stage for broad privatization of trillions of dollars of Iraqi oil interests…

    “If the Democrats had told the American people last October that if you vote democrat in November, we’ll not only give you enough money to keep the war going through the end of President Bush’s term, but we’ll also privatize the oil of Iraq and then help the US oil companies win the prize I think the war was all about from the very beginning, I don’t think the people would have voted Democrat..” 

    He goes on to say that he would not only return the oil but would order out all U.S. contractors, returning Iraq’s economy to its rightful owners—the Iraqi people.

    It would be helpful if, before you writeabout Mr. Kucinich in the future, you actually take the time to browse his website,

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    By dr wu, April 13, 2007 at 4:00 pm Link to this comment

    I like Kucinich, I hope he gets the job.

    But, he, like others, does not mention the 800 lb gorilla in the room: Oil-we went in for the oil and we’ll leave when there’s no more left to drill.

    Democrat or Republican it don’t matter. Addicted to oil as the prez sez. And no American pol is going to take on big oil and that damned military/industrial complex.

    I with you Kurt Vonnegut…

    Dr Wu, the last of the big-time thinkers.

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    By Alex, April 13, 2007 at 9:10 am Link to this comment
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    Dennis is the only candidate who is sincere about his plans to bring peace to the world.  The other candidates talk a lot but their words are meaningless because they do not back up their words with action.  Obama has one of the worst human rights voting records in the U.S. Senate.  He claims to be anti-war but has voted more than 20 times for war.  Hillary has made no apologies about her pro-war stance.  Edwards was one of the architects of the war resolution.  Dodd and Biden vote for war every time.  Richardson is in tight with the war contractors.

    Gavel made it clear in the first debate that he was not a serious candidate.  He even made suggestions as to which other candidates he would support.  He hadn’t researched the issues as her recommended a free-trade, Ken-Lay-style candidate for people to support.  Gavel’s tax plan could only benefit the super-rich.

    Dennis Kucinich has a good shot at winning the Presidency and changing the face of the world.  He trounced Hillary in a poll put together by an organization that was founded to support the Clintons.

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    By carter, April 12, 2007 at 11:35 pm Link to this comment

    I like Dennis. But I’m voting Gravel.

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    By TAO Walker, April 12, 2007 at 9:01 pm Link to this comment

    Most people’ve seen those three-dimensional diagrams at airports that dictate the size and shape of carry-on luggage.  There appears to be something similar in-place setting-out the specifications for wannabe presidents.  It can be almost painful at times watching an actual flesh-and-blood person trying to squeeze and contort theirselves into the approved configuration….not least because the orthodox formula for “looking presidential” is decidedly TWO-dimensional.

    Dennis Kucinich seems to be a fella who at one time or another had some actual depth to him.  Trying to conform to the prescribed template for Oval Office occupants, however, has sure flattened him out lately.  His voice, for example, has taken on the monotoned and, in his particular case, high-pitched insistence of the professional lecturer that could all-too-easily descend into the pleading whine that most people can only take so much of….viz. James Earl Carter.  Poor John McCain is starting to resemble the tag-end of live-subject stress-to-destruct test.

    Something theamericanpeople should maybe look into is just what obscure board or committee came-up with this cardboard pattern for stamping-out their presidents in the first place, and where they got their authority.  It’s already obvious, though, that it’s the mass media serving as “gatekeeper,” guaranteeing no candidate who won’t fit through their wringer (an industrial “process” that can begin as early as high school) will ever reach the White House. 

    Anyway, it’s sure a strange way of finding out who might be worth listening to….at least to this old Indian’s way of thinking.


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    By Mad As Hell, April 12, 2007 at 11:52 am Link to this comment
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    ” Ruth on 4/12 at 7:43 am (Truthdig Guest)

    Mr. “Mad as hell,” you underestimate the power of the people.  It is the people who have those 60+ million votes.  It is the people who get to vote in the next election.  The people’s candidate is Dennis Kucinich.

    Kucinich IS going to be the next President.
    Get used to it.
    Get over it.
    Get real. “

    Tell you what: If DK gets elected President of the USA in 2008, I’ll contribute the maximum, $2,300, to the DNC.

    If he doesn’t, YOU contribute $2,300 to the DNC.

    I’m willing to put my money where my keyboard is.  Are YOU???

    Better still, you give DK $2,300 now, and if he’s elected President of the United States of America, I’ll put in $2,300 to get him RE-elected.

    I gave the max to that stiff, Kerry, in 2004, and to the Senate campaign, and to the House campaign. We lost all three.  Only in 2006 did Howard Dean toss out the old paradigms and gave us back our nation.  I gave in 2006, too.

    Are you just blog talk?  Or are you digging deep?

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    By Sleeper, April 12, 2007 at 9:03 am Link to this comment
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    I’ll bet there’s a million Americans who agree with you.  Maybe even two million.

    But not anything even vaguely close to the 60+ million you need to become President.  1 million votes isn’t even 1% of the total votes cast in the last election.  How much clearer can I be than that?

    Kucinich is NOT going to be the next President. 
    Get used to it.
    Get over it.
    Get real.

    This belief is a sad one yet it may creep in on some of Dennis’s strongest supporters.  The way I look at it is that in the end you have to make your vote worth something.  I consider how straight forward a candidate is, if he truly believes in the stands that he makes or are his or her actions for sale.

    The candidates that receive these huge War Chests for their campaigns are being bought.  The majority of the money comes from artificial entities many of whom are created just to funnel this money.  It doesn’t come free.

    I want to support a candidate that will raise his money from private real People and his responsibilities are to represent “WE THE PEOPLE”.  I think that impression if set properly can withstand the Corporate sponsored brainwashing we receive through the media.  Its a long way to Nov. 2008.

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    By Ruth, April 12, 2007 at 8:43 am Link to this comment
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    Mr. “Mad as hell,” you underestimate the power of the people.  It is the people who have those 60+ million votes.  It is the people who get to vote in the next election.  The people’s candidate is Dennis Kucinich.

    Kucinich IS going to be the next President. 
    Get used to it.
    Get over it.
    Get real.

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    By Mad As Hell, April 11, 2007 at 8:51 pm Link to this comment
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    “Dennis Kucinich has been the greatest mayor, the greatest Congressman, and the greatest Presidential candidate that America has ever had because he listens to the people and does what the people want.  All other Presidential candidates are puppets of major corporations who dictate the policies they will follow if elected.

    Kucinich is the people’s candidate and he deserves more coverage than the corporate candidates.”

    And I’ll bet there’s a million Americans who agree with you.  Maybe even two million.






    But not anything even vaguely close to the 60+ million you need to become President.  1 million votes isn’t even 1% of the total votes cast in the last election.  How much clearer can I be than that?

    Kucinich is NOT going to be the next President. 
    Get used to it.
    Get over it.
    Get real.

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    By Alex, April 11, 2007 at 12:55 pm Link to this comment
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    “Mad as hell,” are you complaining that Kucinich is getting too much press coverage?  If so, that is a vast improvement over what I saw in the media four years ago.

    Dennis Kucinich has been the greatest mayor, the greatest Congressman, and the greatest Presidential candidate that America has ever had because he listens to the people and does what the people want.  All other Presidential candidates are puppets of major corporations who dictate the policies they will follow if elected.

    Kucinich is the people’s candidate and he deserves more coverage than the corporate candidates.

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    By Mad As Hell, April 11, 2007 at 12:04 pm Link to this comment
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    Mr. Canning:

    I had my fill of windmill-tilting with Sen Gene McCarthy and Sen George McGovern.  I was OH, SO Angry that Bobby Kennedy let Sen Gene do the heavy lifting then jumped in to steal the glory and the votes when LBJ stepped down.

    I was wrong.  RFK was a winner. McCarthy would have lost SO big to Nixon.

    Nader was wrong: He could have taken actions to prevent this monster, this President Catastrophe from being elected.  Instead, he said there wasn’t a dime’s worth of difference between Bush and Gore.

    Now, 3,300 dead Americans in Iraq, and our rapid approach to TRUE Mussolini/Franco fascism shows there was a GRAND CANYON of difference between them.  Nader was not the ONLY reason Gore lost.  But he had it in his power to make a clear, tangible difference.  He did more to hurt America with that decision than ALL the good he did in the 40 years before that.

    I’ve done my “Never Compromise” idealism.  Now, I don’t want my kids growing up in George Bush’s America, in Pat Robertson’s America, just because you don’t think Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama or John Edwards (or Al Gore for that matter) are ideologically pure.  I would rather they have problems to solve, as Americans, that ARE solvable, than have to face life under the growing fascist shadow.  Yes, even Hillary Clinton, with a Democratic congress can and WILL roll back these horrible advances of the neo-con fascism.

    But if we keep tilting at windmills, we’ll get a Bush clone, and maybe with coat-tails to take back Congress, and then our nation is doomed.

    Tell me you don’t prefer ANY Democrat to that alternative.

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    By cann4ing, April 11, 2007 at 10:38 am Link to this comment

    re comment #63303 by Mad as Hell.  You just don’t get it, oh Mad one.  People like Kucinich and Nader do not “let themselves be marginalized.”  They are intentionally marginalized by a conglomerated corporate media precisely because they reflect the interests of the vast majority of Americans—the now subjugated middle and working classes.  For a more detailed explanation as to why the media conglomerates engage in this marginalization process, please see Amy Goodman’s Truthdig article, “Take back the airways” and my comment to that article.

    So long as it can prevent a serious analysis of where candidates stand on issues that truly matter, the corporate media can continue to convince you that candidates like Clinton, Obama, Edwards & McCain—all corporatists who side with the rich and the powerful in the global class war—represent the “mainstream.”  As Ms. Goodman so aptly noted in “Exception to the Rulers:  Exposing Oily Politicians, War Profiteers and the Media that Love Them,” there is not a “silent majority.”  Instead there is a great “silenced majority.”

    Nader and Kucinich are marginalized because they would dare to break the silence.

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    By Mad As Hell, April 11, 2007 at 9:00 am Link to this comment
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    “I, for one, could not find eight interviews of Mr. Kucinich on the first page.  But perhaps you have larger pages on your computer than I have on mine.”

    All I did was click on the “Interview” button.  Then I went down the first page of interviews listed and there are 8. Did again just now.  Not rocket science.

    DK may have some good ideas, but all his years in the House and his stint as Mayor show him to be a totally ineffective legislator and leader, who has let himself be marginalized.  His ego is enormous and he reminds me of Ralph Nader with his lack of realism.

    Yeah, I think 8 arts touting this guy is absurd.  But I would vote for him against any Re-thug clown.

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    By George Penman, April 10, 2007 at 8:46 am Link to this comment
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    If the US continues to build an empire we will likely lose our Constitution and our Republic.

    DK is right to favor withdrawal from Iraq, to reopen a proper investigation of 9/11, and also to initiate an effort to impeach both Bush and Cheney.
    He deserves our support.

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    By katy, April 9, 2007 at 7:48 pm Link to this comment
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    Its to bad that some way couldn’t be found to connect massive amounts of small donations from Democrats, to Dennis’s campaign, to this consumer boycott that I have heard will be taking place sometime soon.  Everyone donating would be doing it because Dennis is the only one calling for the troops to come home now.  Maybe if the other candidates saw ALL donations going to Dennis for that week it might make them sit up and take notice.  It seems that money is the only way to get congress peoples attention.

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    By Dawn, April 8, 2007 at 9:47 pm Link to this comment
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    Dennis Kucinich IS the only dove in a field of hawks. Why is he the only candidate speaking for Peace? He is correct. This occupation of Iraq needs to end today—not a year from now. Ten more U.S. troops were killed over this Easter weekend. Sixty-five Iraqis were killed and 23 wounded. Bush calls himself a Christian. How can he stand to let one more person die? It is so devastatingly sad. Each person who has died has a whole family of sad relatives to deal with the consequences and unending loss.

    The Democrats are acting like they have to compromise with this madman. Bush is mentally unstable and Cheney’s actions call his ethics into question daily. He is so anxious for the “Iraqi government” to sign a law which will allow private foreign companies to secure binding 30-year contracts to extract oil from Iraq. Cheney just needs to keep propping Bush up to stay the course until Iraq has been thoroughly plundered by Halliburton, Bechtel, Blackwater, etc. To them this chaos is a success. And they keep insisting that Iraq is a success to the wonderment of the rest of the world. Kucinich takes Cheney at his word. He understands why Cheney is so happy about the situation in Iraq. Everything is going as planned. Create chaos. Spread fear. Plunder and pillage. Cheney is still connected with Halliburton. He is personally profiting. He is the poster boy for war profiteering. Impeach this man.

    Thank you Dennis Kucinich for having the courage to vote against funding the war. Now let’s talk about a double impeachment. Cheney first.

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    By Ernest Canning, April 8, 2007 at 4:50 pm Link to this comment
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    re comment #62741 by Mad as Hell.  What are you trying to say, oh Mad one, that Kucinich gets too much play at Truthdig?  Even if this site were devote every article to Mr. Kucinich, it wouldn’t make a dent in the defeaning veil of silence that prevents so much as a whisper about the only “real” Democrat running for President—you know, someone who is not a corporatist ready to sell out the working and middle class for corporate campaign contributions.

    I, for one, could not find eight interviews of Mr. Kucinich on the first page.  But perhaps you have larger pages on your computer than I have on mine.

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    By dick, April 8, 2007 at 4:02 pm Link to this comment
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    Sen. Carl Levine, a loyal, ardent supporter of Israel, has announced there will be funding for the war, period.

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    By Mad As Hell, April 7, 2007 at 7:10 pm Link to this comment
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    Why are there EIGHT articles on Dennis Kucinich in just the first page of interviews?

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    By Ruth, April 6, 2007 at 11:52 pm Link to this comment
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    Alright, that’s Dennis’s way is the way to end terrorism.  Bush’s way is the way that creates terrorism and makes the world more unsafe.  My other comment had a major typo.  I guess we can’t all be perfect.

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    By Ruth, April 6, 2007 at 8:33 pm Link to this comment
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    It is because we are fighting them there that we may some day have to fight them here.  The United States is encouraging terrorism by fighting these oil wars.  Bush’s way is the way to end terrorism.

    As for 9/11, the scientists are angry because the government came up with wild theories that were scientifically impossible.  Firefighters have said the official story doesn’t match what they witnessed that day.  A great many of us want to know the truth.  Dennis’s committee will be looking into resolving the remaining questions surrounding that day.  That’s the best we could ask for from any member of Congress.  The families want the truth.  The firefighters want the truth.  The scientists want the truth.  Thanks to Dennis, there will be an investigation.

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    By 911truthdotorg, April 6, 2007 at 5:55 pm Link to this comment
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    Some days I like DK and some days I don’t. Seems way too wishy washy at times…like he’s saying what people want to hear but wouldn’t fight for it if he got in. Take 9/11 truth for example. That is the foundation for EVERYTHING!

    I wish he would bring up the topic of a new 9/11
    investigation outright instead of dancing around the issue like in this video:

    I believe that at least 70% of the people in this country now know that bush/cheney are truly evil, deceptive liars, so if a candidate came right out and called for a new 9/11 investigation, that would help his cause enormously!

    Many more people are apt to believe bush was involved with 9/11, in some way, now than a year ago.

    Please watch the Google video: “9/11 Press for Truth”.

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    By War Monger, April 6, 2007 at 5:34 pm Link to this comment
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    If we don’t fight them there we’ll fight them here. Come on. Don’t we need cheap oil! The price has only tripled in the last ten years. Liberal softies. War is good. We must always fight war. And if you vote for Dennis you’re wasting your vote. People who’d vote for him probably think that 757 that is clearly shown hitting the pentagon is actually a drone or missile. Idiots!

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    By Alex, April 6, 2007 at 12:18 pm Link to this comment
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    Great job, Dennis!

    I am very proud that I will he able to cast my first vote for the wisest leader in America.

    I feel sorry for those backing other candidates who supported the appropriations bill.  The supporters of those candidates have been sold a bill of goods.

    I know that Kucinich has more support from my generation than any other candidate.  This is because he makes more sense than the candidates who are running against him.  They trying to pretend to be something they are not and that is why they can’t respond honestly to audiences. 

    Dennis is always candid with everyone. Why not? America agrees with him on all the issues. 

    Dennis is the only true peace candidate.  All the other Democratic candidates have spoken and/or voted in support of funding the war and in support of war with Iran.  Dennis is the one dove in a field of hawks.

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    By M. Junaid Alam, April 5, 2007 at 7:40 pm Link to this comment
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    The paradox of Kucinich is that even though he criticizes the DP on a principled and consistent basis, he remains a party member, and therefore allows the DP to use him as a token progressive to attract other progressives.

    He would probably do his cause most justice by leaving that party so that at least no one is fooled about sops to progressive ideas and think it represents the really-existing DP.

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    By Lyndsey K, April 4, 2007 at 5:06 pm Link to this comment
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    To not be blamed for the Iraq outcome, Democrats and Congress need to find a viable way to leave Iraq without it being in ruins. SImply leaving without planning would be a disaster, another Afghanistan. I certainly hope that the Dems will be responsible in redirecting funding…and I don’t mean into their own congressional districts. The US needs to join together with the rest of the world leaders in figuring out a multilateral way of ending terrorism and Mid-East tensions.

    One of the biggest ways is to end global poverty and support the growth of other undeveloped countries by funding the UN Millennium Development Goals. According to the Borgen Project, just 0.16 of out federal budget is spent on poverty reduction while $340 billion has been spent on the war. We need to redirect our funds to programs that will work to combat the conditions that enable extremism to exist. As a product of the UNHCR, I can personally attest to what a difference a little compassion can make in the lives of so many if people.

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    By Lord B, April 4, 2007 at 4:05 pm Link to this comment
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    Go Dennis, Go!!!!!! 

    How do we get the “media at large” to spend more time on Kucinich and less time on “who’s raised the most money????”

    The media at large is literally deciding this Presidential contest and we’re not even in 2008!

    I hope Truthdig keeps giving publicity to Kucinich. He needs it badly!

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    By Jeff Badura, April 4, 2007 at 11:24 am Link to this comment
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    TO ALL DEMS IN 08!!!!

    i think the Dem’s should campaign on the “9/11 plot” !!! have commercials with an actor who looks like Cheney pushing down on the TNT switch, then show the towers falling !!!

    Have Bush and Rice and Cheney looking at a world map arguing who they are going to invade next France or Canada !!(which is richer asks Cheney , Bush wants land for his horses, and Rice want’s nice shoes) 

    end your commercials with vote for Hillary or Hitler and put a Nazi mustache on McCain !!

    i mean, that what all you space-cadets say all over the Internet ??? so, just come out and fly the flag of treason, for 08, and be proud to show it !!!

    No, you guys will wrap yourselves in the flag, say you support the troops, have a plan to win the war on terror, blah, blah, blah, but we all know its just big lie !!!

    GOP REPEAT in 08 !!!

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    By Sleeper, April 3, 2007 at 10:18 am Link to this comment
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    I agree with you on Dennis staying with the Dems at this time.  The reports are in and it is obvious by the reports who is getting all the funding.  Now its time to look at where these millions and millions have come from. 

    Do these candidates have a history of supporting things that deprive our rights to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness?  Have they supported our War Profiteers, or our pharmacutical and energy industries which have been eating up both our tax dollars and our comsumer dollars?

    Have these Corporate darlings been voting for the Patriot Act, The Military Commissions Act, or the War itself?  How about all the free trade givaways and amnesty for illegal aliens?  These are the things that our Corporations love.  They love to make a killing be it financial or personal.  It all pays in the end for souless Corporations, yet we consider Corporations as Persons not artificial entities.

    I am a Democrat, but I will not support the candidates that serve Corporate interrests over the interrest of “WE THE PEOPLE”.  Ron Paul has taken stances that impresses me and I doubt he will be a Republican nominee, but I would vote for him over any Corporate waterboy or girl from either party.

    Dennis is the best man.  We need to get him on the ballot and he probably needs to submit Articles of Impeachment against both Bush & Cheney to stand a chance of giving the corruption enough press to bring him to the top.

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    By Ernest Canning, April 2, 2007 at 7:30 pm Link to this comment
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    Re Comment #61811 by Peter RV.  So Mr. Kucinich, while running as a Democrat, states he would support a Democratic nominee.  What else is he supposed to say at this stage?

    In 1969 I had just returned from Vietnam; used the GI bill to attend college.  I have since achieved both undergraduate and graduate degrees in political science, a law degree and have successfully practiced law for many years.  Yet, a statement was made by my freshman history professor that was so profound, it has stayed with me all these years.  He said, “If the American Right can be criticized for its absolute insensitivity to the human condition, the American Left can always be criticized for its inability to count.”

    It is both premature and foolhardy to turn to a third party solution when someone like Dennis Kucinich is running as a Democrat.  Progressives must unite in taking back a political party which has been co-opted by the corporatists of the Democratic Leadership Council.  At this time, at this moment in history, it is incumbent upon everyone who considers him or herself as a “progressive” to unite behind the Kucinich campaign.  Only a united progressive front can take on the vast sums of money that are pouring into the Clinton campaign.

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    By Peter RV, April 2, 2007 at 2:24 pm Link to this comment
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    I’ve read Kucinich’s twelve point plan to end the war in Iraq and I am one hundred percent behind it but Kucinich continues to send me some very ambiguous signals.
    In a recent interview of his, on being asked where should his anti-war supporters go in the most likely case he is not nominated, his answer was, that they should stay within the Democratic Party. I absolutely reject any idea that either of our parties are anything else than war parties, and as such I cathegorically refuse to vote for either.
      If our parties only serve to promote particular interests such as war proffitering and/or serving interests of certain lobbies, our democracy is doomed and I’ll do whatever I can, as a citizen of this country, to help a new party
    which will represent the will of the people.
      We can’t afford more Howard Deans.

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    By johnuw93, April 1, 2007 at 11:13 pm Link to this comment
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    If Bush vetoes, the Democrats have a quite simple response. They do not have to send him another bill. Pelosi and Reid can even make sure another bill does not come to a vote. They can tell Bush that if he vetoes, he will be cutting off the funding. The money is there, but no blank check. Bush has all but guaranteed a veto, so it is possible that the House bill is indeed a way to end the funding. Bush cannot dictate legislation. How does he know that the next bill will not be even less to his liking? Does he dare veto bill after bill that provides funding for current operations? IOW, this aint over.

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    By bob, April 1, 2007 at 5:49 pm Link to this comment
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    Thank You Louise, posted comment 61599. I wasn’t planning on giving a comment on this subject but when I read yours, I felt compelled to respond. Let me first say, I have never openly noted a previous posted comment before. Reason being is that I have noticed there are neocon types who regularly surf progressive web sites in order if you will, pick a fight. I wish not to further entertain the intelligence of anyone, whether they be on the right or left of the political spectrum, who chooses only to insult that of others with meaningless babble. That is the reason I do not respond to comments to my postings nor, openly comment on others. To the point, the very able congressmen Kucinich is a rare bird in today’s world, given the amount of self serving vultures that seem to have perched themsleves everywhere these days. Yet, I have begun to sense a fresh new rising tide of renewned undersatnding. That coming from that silent yet, engaged group of Americans. Women. Louise if there is any hope for this republic its going to be at the hands of ladies sharing your progressive mindset. Keep up the good work, stay in tuned and informed. Continue to elevate and expand yourself mentally, and poltically. And maybe the rest of us animals standing on the outside looking in on the so-called humans, and pigs feasting at the dinner table of public trust, and our taxes will develop the back bone not only to vote but, make sure as well that every one of them is accounted for. Borrowing parts of previous sentences from the British author George Orwells, “Animal Farm.” Because it has begun to seem that we as a country and people are slowly sliding in that direction.

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    By Maury Hexamer, April 1, 2007 at 10:31 am Link to this comment
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    I was very disappointed in your response to Dennis Kucinich.  Here is a guy who speaks the truth as clear as a bell.  Democratic candidates who pretended to be against the illegal war in Iraq and made false promises in order to be elected—get into office, break their promises and show themselves to be the liars that they are. 

    So what do you guys do? Hem and haw about well you have to be diplomatic, “benchmarks do mean something”, at least Bush is finally pissed off?!  Then you say, Bush is influenced by the Lord and feels like he’s doing the right thing so you don’t have to be angry?!  Get a clue.  These empire builders don’t think they’re “doing the right thing”.  They just don’t care about anyone who’s not in their clique.  Just because, as you say, “people on TV are not screaming over the mike”, doesn’t mean a thing.  In case you didn’t know, those people are actors.  Who do you think writes the script?  By the way, your commentary made me wonder who writes yours.

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