to the Comment #59234 by Polly Ester who says ” Ignoramus—-we can all thank computerized voting fraud and Diebold Voting Machines for Bush’s victory in 2004.  You no longer need to resurrect dead people, intimidate or bribe voters—-technology allows you to steal elections—and that is exactly what the Republicans did. How many people have subsequently died in Iraq because of voter fraud?”

Polly, because you can theorize that the Deibold machines can be fixed ?? doesn’t make it so !! the left lives in a dream world of there own invention !! so i could say the Deibold machine was rigged by the Dem’s ??? its all ridicules !! oh wait lets throw in the evil corporations !! and the crack on Iraq that we here on every post just shows how the left thinks ???  history lessen Ester the Dem’s voted for war and still are paying for it !!! its “our” war whether you like it or not !!

Ignoramus Knee o’kaun

to the Comment #59467 by Paul Magill (Smith), sticks and stones Paul !! when in doubt you insult !! did you learn that in school?? i noticed you never spoke of one of my points !! the Dem’s do cheat and have cheated on elections !! the war in Iraq was not based on lies, or is not illegal, so your accusation to try to change the subject are wrong !!  why don’t you examine your own grammar before you insult others, cause it just points out you hypocrisy !!  i don’t capitalize, cause i don’t want to !!! but anyway, yes Republicans make mistakes and some are corrupt, but that doesn’t excuse the Dem’s voter fraud, you choose not to go there, just throw irrational barbs of your own, the story above is about the real voter fraud !! but even so your the intelligent educated one?? at least if you are to go off topic, your barbs could have some merit, but other than Cunnigham, they don’t !! Clinton lied under oath, and sexually harassed his female employees over and over again, Clinton is to blame for 9/11 maybe of he was minding the store instead of chasing the help we wouldn’t have had 9/11, Saddam had 16 UN resolutions,12 yrs of sanctions and violated every accord of the 91 treaty he signed !! but that’s okay for the feckless left !! and there could be no long term peace with him in power !! the Dem’s of today are feckless cowards who stand for nothing, but they got you in their corner, so good for you !!! is is fun losing election after election ha ha ha ha you losers got no shot at 08, mostly because the base is filled with with people like you !!

“illgramaticus” knee o’kaun

#59047 by Jeff Badura

Jeff, I can see you are not only ignorant & uneducated (or you would observe the form of capitalizing the first letter in a sentence), but ill-informed as well. Even if you followed the sorry MSM you would now see how much corruption is coming out about your glorious perfectly honest Republicans over the past several years. Clear your head of the propaganda and GOP spin. Objectively look at the irrefutable evidence and you will get a good look at how the Republicans are willing to lie (WMD), cheat (stolen elections), bribe & accept them (Duke Cunningham) , steal ($8 Trillion gone from our treasury since Bush came in), and even kill (3210 American troops in Iraq have died for greedy oil companies) to gain & remain in power. The list of corruption is too long & smells too bad to detail further than just a mention of two particular examples…Ken Blackwell & Katherine Harris. You are fortunate, though, because you won’t even have to do any more homework than to watch the congressional investigations, trials, and stories of devious illegal practices over the past six years under the tyranical miscreant (Bush), and it has become so obvious the MSM will even carry it (except for Fox ‘News’ ha,ha). Sure there have been corrupt Democrats, but one pie does not a whole pie make. Take a look at the other 7 slices of the corruption and you will see GOP stamped on them bright red and clear. If it wasn’t such a travesty I would be amused that the Republicans wasted $60 million dollars on trying to find some dirt on Bill Clinton and what was the best they could come up with???...the world’s most expensive blow job. What about Bush’s DUI, drug & alcohol abuse, going AWOL, and such? Oh, but that’s alright because his Daddy had the juice & funds to get his record sealed. But it’s NOT alright! Bush (or his father even, who was implicated as the reason for the crack epidemic in this country…or his grandfather, Prescott, who was under the gun for giving financial aid to the Nazis while WWII was going on) holds himself up as a paragon of virtue just to get votes (then laughs at the right wing religious kooks/nuts behind their backs), but don’t look to closely at the skeletons in his closet because the bones will fill the room you’re in if you peek. Do your homework, and use your head, Jeff, but after reading through what you wrote I fear you perhaps are either brain washed, brain dead, or like many other staunch Republicans—-bought off.

The Collier Brothers wrote of “Vote Scam” long before Greg Palast. Diebold is the tool the repugs use for vote fraud. His machines have no user software and can be programed only by Diebold people, and there is no paper trail. Part of Diebold’s operation is to expunge all voters that are considered “illegal”. That is defined as not republican friendly.In this manner more can be refrained from voting…and becomes much easier than the dead voting.

illgramaticus knee o’kaun,

“Machines will produce 99.4 percent of the election results for the upcoming 2004 presidential election. With all the hoopla over voting machine “glitches,” porous software, leaked memos, and the creepy corporations that sell and service these contraptions, and with all the controversy that surrounds campaign financing, voter registration, redistricting issues, and the general privatization of the election process, we are missing the boat on the biggest crisis facing our democracy.”

Ignoramus—-we can all thank computerized voting fraud and Diebold Voting Machines for Bush’s victory in 2004.  You no longer need to resurrect dead people, intimidate or bribe voters—-technology allows you to steal elections—and that is exactly what the Republicans did.

How many people have subsequently died in Iraq because of voter fraud?

http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/040704Landes/040704landes.html

since the mid 1800’s the Dem’s have always been the party who cheat and rig elections !! after the 1920’s the unions were and still are in bed with organized crime!! and they both conspire to rig elections by intimidation of the union members and the population’s in the poor inner city’s, even today the Dem’s are trying to pass an unconstitutional law denying employees the right to a “secret ” union ballot !! (threaten employees with workplace union elections while gangsters watch, then take the union dues and give it to the Dem’s) Dem’s also use lawyers to rig elections !!  2000 Fla was a perfect example, were the Dem’s were not happy with the tight loss, so they tried to use the courts to circumvent Fla. state law, when they finally lose in the end they call Bush the “appointed illegitimate Pres.” dividing our polarized country even more, and giving aid to our detractors over sea’s by questioning Bush’s legitimacy !! then in 2002 again they used lawyers to blatantly violate New Jersey state law and put Loudenberg on the ballot after the clear experation date was past !! because they saw there corrupt bribed candidate was going to lose !! that senate seat is the difference right now in the senate !! so the seat of power the Dem’s hold, is because of their cheating !! they have a policy when fairly defeated 2000 and 2002 and 2004 to say the election was rigged !!  so they don’t have to admit that there policies are not popular! even before 2006 we heard that the Dem’s were ready with phalanxes of lawyers to contest every election that was close, that they lost !!!  this too is a form of cheating, for it undermines our elections and openly states the Dem’s are not willing to be honest and admit defeat when we have our elections !!  if in 08 the GOP wins again, I’m sure it will be more of the same,  the Dem’s have no honor, in there war rooms, they would rather tear the country apart then admit Dem policies are not popular!!  it is no surprise they are using the same template in Iraq war policy,  too !!

illgramaticus knee o’kaun

When you have machines that don’t leave a paper trail,you end up with a Bush victory.

I know Democrats aren’t pure as the driven snow, but hasn’t the Republican Party turned into a criminal organization?

Just an observation.

“In Ohio, some Republicans after the 2004 presidential election circulated stories of dead voters and those who showed up to vote several times”

How laughable—Republicans complaining about voter fraud—-Republicans should be thankful that voter fraud exists, FRAUD made Bush President!

The subject of voter fraud, whenever it is raised by the GOP rings loudly of worst kind of hypocracy. This , the same party that coordinated the removal of tens of thousands from the voting booth in Florida, Ohio , New Mexico, Nevada ( attempted )etc…working in kahoots with the electronic voting machine providers, in some cases actually turning over most of the process to them. The oppurtunity for fraud took place in so many of the electronic balloting pushed for the so called “Help America Vote Act”....as all of George Bushes other grand schemes, the purpose is exactly the opposite of the name….were just all to damn dumb to catch onto the smirking chimp and his handlers. Yet, from the media, no real investigations, with the exception of Greg Palast, none of the “Info-tainment” industry bothered to check it out. Our vote not counting is the biggest single indicator that our democracy is starting to fade and yet not a whimper, not in ‘2000 and not in ‘2004, its happening due to the utter contempt cheney & his stooge have for our democracy and how successfull their willing enablers have been in intimidating any who would be curious as to what really happened. The longer they continue to get away with this, the more emboldened they become…this isn’t democracy folks..it will continue to unravel untill the democratic MAJORITY screws up alittle courage to finally hold these criminals accountable. They have been trembling for so long in a state of extream partisanship orchestrated by bush’s brain stem Karl Rove that they have apparently missplaced their backbone altogether….WRITE YOUR REPRESENTITIVES !

Yes, but if your options are Corporate Stooge#1, and Corporate Stooge#2, what, exactly is the point of holding the election, to begin with? Waffles, anyone? When they put candidates on the ballot with some integrity, some independence, some willingness to, for example, excuse the oil industry out of Washington, then I’ll be a lot more impressed and willing to go through the exercise of submitting my ballot choices. But, as long as the whole process amounts to selecting between which craven lackey will be misrepresenting the will of the People THIS year, well…I’m not sure I see the point of it. Carlin had quite a few scathing criticisms on this subject, in which I believe there is great wisdom to be found, can we please have candidates in office whose primary allegiance is to the People, and OUR country, not some other nation? That’d be a nice change, there…

Pity the poor party of the rich—
if they don’t cheat, they can’t win.

I don’t know how one can bring up election fraud without mentioning Jeb Bush and Katherine Harris, but here it is . . . I also don’t know how one can discuss the subject without talking about how William Rehnquist got named to the supreme court and made chief justice.

Then of course the definitive source on the subject is Greg Palast, and if you don’t mention his name you are not having a serious dialog.