Mr. Feith wanted to bomb the Brazil-Paraguay Bridge in late 2001. We will learn the truth some day when the secret papers are released. - Armando Rozário - Cabo Frio - Brazil, March 04, 2007

Three day (#54855) has the mechanix, and the manipulators, of this ultimate virtual-world death-trap pyramid scheme pegged.  The thing is, though, these predators intend to skip the “serfdom” phase entirely, and go right to a factory-farm/feedlot/slaughterhouse operation with already captive domesticated humans as the livestock.  The institutional framework has long been in-place.  Most of the machinery of surveillance and control is installed, too. 

The meat-grinder of “perpetual war for perpetual peace” (a-k-a “the war on terror” and “the clash of civilizations’) is well-into its break-in run, also.  So is the crockpot of permanent global wage/debt slavery, for the hapless human herds.  The final intended end-product, besides a raped and ruined world, is supposed to be the total destruction of the natural free wild human spirit, and its eternal obliteration from the known universe....an insane objective that has already failed of realization.

The real “good news” is that none of us Two-leggeds will still be aboard when, much sooner than later, the whole infernal she-bang runs smack into the impenetrable limits of its own internal contradictions.  We’ll all be back home in the actual Living Arrangement, where we belong....naturally.

HokaHey!

As overpopulation erodes the value of individual workers the world will evolve a new feudal order.  The aristocracy uses puppets, such as Cheney and Bush, to concentrate wealth, power and privalige.  The sense of hubris they experience is enhanced by inhabiting a cacoon of luxury while laughing at a swirling chaos of misery.  The real purpose of government is to crush the working class and erase the concept of “civil liberties”.  These mini wars and crisis of “sectarian terrorism” are convenient opportunities to build the new feudalism.  Far from being incompetent, stupid, or corrupt, these people are doing the job they’re really hired for.

Here is a link to the 2004 Mother Jones article by Robert Dreyfuss and Jason Vest:

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2004/01/12_405 .html?welcome=true

There are taboos in the mainstream media against printing articles that critical of the US---especially if it is serious international crime.  It took eighteen months of refusals before the MSM was forced into reporting the My Lai massacre.  They were afraid to touch the Downing Street Memo.  Today they will not say that Joseph Wilson told the truth and Bush lied in the State of the Union Speech.  I know because I am listening to CNN’s “Situation Room” (allegedly the most liberal MSM) right now.

Comment #54438 by BM asks:

“Why is no one referring to the Rico statutes for this group?  Wasn’t the OSP clearly a conspiracy to commit fraud? “
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You want to know why, BM? Because the fraud was being committed for Israel, with the full participation of Ariel Sharon’s government.

It is politically just about impossible to address this matter, because the Israel lobby controls both major political parties in this country.

Robert Dreyfuss explains all this in a July 2003 article for The Nation called “More Missing Intelligence”:

“According to the former official, also feeding information to the Office of Special Plans was a secret, rump unit established last year in the office of Prime Minister Ariel Sharon of Israel....”

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20030707/dreyfuss

So now the mass media is finally catching up with the 10/04 edition of Mother Jones-whcih described in detail Feith’s and the other neocons’ criminal plotting and shenanigans. It is titled “the Irag lie factory.”

Bush and Cheney URGENTLY need to be impeached and prosecuted fully as the war criminals they are.

A fine article, but--instead of saying “...a war costing tens of thousands of lives and an expected $1 trillion that served no valid national security purpose”, I would say a war costing 658,000 lives (excellent Johns Hopkins/Lancet study covering up to July 2006, plus number of US military) and an expected $2.2 trillion (excellent Stiglitz-Bilmes study that they now consider too low) that harmed our national security (16 intelligence agencies of the US plus every study in the world). 
It is far more reasonable to go with what the Downing Street Memo (and all other evidence) shows--that we wanted to take Iraq and any intelligence would be made up later, than to bend over backwards trying to explain why all the intelligence was so “flawed”.  Weren’t the reasons for the last 100 US invasions of other countries later found to not be true.  I like books by William Blum and Stephen Kinzer.

Why is noone referring to the Rico statutes for this group?  Wasn’t the OSP clearly a conspiracy to commit fraud?  A conspiracy to take the United States to war?  Seems to me that if the Rico laws can take down the Mafia, they’re ideally suited to put stripes on the likes of Feith, Rumsfeld, Cheney, and ultimately, Bush.

Before the invasion (way before), there was 9/11, an inside job.

Excellent article follows:

http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_peter_za_07021 2_9___11__living_in_th.htm

Israel would like to start a war with Iran and supports this desire by citing a quote from Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad that Israel should be wiped off the map. But this is an erroneous translation of what he said. According to University of Michigan professor Juan Cole and Farsi language analysts, Ahmadinejad was quoting Ayatollah Khomeini, who said the “regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time.” Cole said this “does not imply military action or killing anyone at all.” Journalist Diana Johnstone points out the quote is not aimed at the Israeli people, but at the Zionist “regime” occupying Jerusalem. “Coming from a Muslim religious leader,” Johnstone wrote, “this opinion is doubtless based on objection to Jewish monopoly of a city considered holy by all three of the Abramic monotheisms.” Iran has not threatened to invade Israel.

-Marjorie Cohn is a professor at Thomas Jefferson School of Law, president of the National Lawyers Guild, and the U.S. representative to the executive committee of the American Association Jurists.

Feith is ANOTHER lying butt-boy for the present administration!!

The primary reasons that Bush/Cheney/AIPIC, etc. appear insane to us is that they are.  Insane and drunk with greed.  Why would Bush reject the sound advice of 98% of military experts and Middle East analysts who say the answer to the Iraq problem is a diplomatic issue, not a military issue and, instead, throw more money and bodies in the middle of a Civil War? For two reasons: 1. Because the AMERICAN OIL COMPANIES are still cutting deals and building pipelines and securing oil interests.  If America withdrew from Iraq now, the American OIL COMPANIES WOULD LOSE too much.  2. Because America has stirred up a hornet’s nest in the Middle East and, pulling out now, would mean that Bush/Cheney and their colleagues of Darkness would be taken to the gallows in the international court of public opinion.  3. Because AIPIC and the Zionist regime in Israel (I am not referring to all Jews, so please don’t hurl the anti-semitic epithets) stand to lose alot of power if the Iraq War bungles while Bush and Cheney are still in power.

While I am no fan of Arab extremists or of extremists and fundamentalists of any ilk, I do believe the calls from the President of Iran for Israel to be wiped off the map are referring specifically to the narrow group of Israeli Zionists and not to the Jews in general.  Why else would the President of Iran invite and WELCOME a group of Jewish rabbis to the Holocaust Conference last year?  It is the Israeli Zionists who are vehement in their oppression of the Palestinian people.  This group of Israeli Zionists do not represent the broadest sector of the Jewish people in either Israel or in the U.S.  Unfortunately, they do make up the AIPIC group who has a stranglehold on our current administration. Bush feels guilty because his grandfather, Prescott Bush, financially funded Hitler and his Nazi regime.  Intergenerational guilt runs deep.  Perhaps the AIPIC elite know this and much more and hold this over the Bush family’s head.

It is nothing new that public perception of government officials and politicians is one of greed and deceit.  However, today’s atmosphere is different even when compared to the Nixon White House.  One can only surmise that when the world has gotten to the point where leaders are perceived by 70-80% of the masses as INSANE and doing what is so clearly antithetical to the common good and the public interest, there has to be some underlying cause hidden from the masses.  I am of the unstinted conviction that this underlying secret has to do with blackmail information on the Bush family going back decades, along with the truth of where this entire planet is headed in terms of economic and ecological tragedy which will place at risk either the wealthy and their fortunes or the remainder of the common good.  One group has to pay a price.  As I see it, the wealthy are in control and making sure that they scramble for the last gold nugget before the ship of life and ecological well-being for all of humanity sinks to the bottom of the sea.  Technology has brought this world to the point where half of the human race is no longer needed in terms of employment.  With overpopulation and global warming, what are we to do with all these masses of people who are without work?  How can the wealthy stay wealthy when 2/3 of humanity is out of work and 1/4 of the world is in abject poverty and starving?  The only way the wealthy maintain their wealth is for the masses of middle class and poor to buy the products from the companies where the wealthy have invested.  When the masses are unemployed and can no longer afford these products, there is no longer an IV of money flowing into the veins of these few wealthy people.  This is the fear that seems most to be driving the madmen in political office.  It is the only way I can make sense of why they are doing things that are clearly INSANE and against the interest of the common good.

Bob,
Levin’s efforts might be criticized as ‘chipping away at the truth’, but they’re a step in the right direction, and head and shoulders above what a Republican Congress would deliver.

The Watergate investigation started low and worked its way up. Maybe this investigation will too.

#53902 by Bill:

“If the generals had BALLS they would overthrow a government that no longer serves the people.”

Yes, a swift and effective coup d’etat could be the answer to our prayers since impeachment doesn’t seem like an option “on the table.”

Douglas Feith?  Who cares?  Instead of pursuing the likes of Feith and Scooter Libby, neither of whom can hurt us again, we should instead be focusing on the ultimate source of Feith’s lies:  George Bush and Dick Cheney, because they not only CAN continue to hurt us, but ARE doing so as I write.
Bush & Cheney lied.  They ordered Doug Feith to lie.  They ordered Colin Powell, Condi Rice, George Tenet, and countless others to lie.  They continue to lie because that is their core principle.  And their lies are killing young American soldiers, not to mention hundreds of thousands of innocent iraqis.  Cynically, many of the Republicans in Congress persist in perpetuating those lies.  Witness the statement on Tuesday by minority leader, John Boehner, who said, without a trace of irony or shame, “WE didn’t start this war; THEY did!” Bush’s blatant, monstrous, lies got us into Iraq and they are about to get us into a deeper, more disastrous war if we keep allowing him to get away with it.

While this story is important;it pales in importance to real vital national isues like “who is the father of Ana Nicoles baby”. As long as America is only interested in the crap media presents as news and issues, we will be funding the military industrial complex.I fought in a war: the cowardly lyin’ Bush sends young people of to the worst possible experience possible.If the generals had BALLS they would overthrow a government that no longer serves the people.

I am finally convinced that whenever and wherever there is a big evil or a devilish conspiracy in the world, one must seek the Israeli connection, and there will always be one. No wonder that some frustrated people are calling for wiping Israel out of the map of the world. After all I have read, culminating with this report at Truthdig, I understand the reason behind this call, though I myself do not advocate that. I advocate a long period of peace in the region, which will naturally prepare the ground for the disappearance of colonial Zionist Israel as we know it today.

However, I know that Israel will not be wiped out as a result of an outside military attack by a hostile power, because reasonable people will always remember that Israel possess a huge arsenal of nukes that they will be more than happy to use, giving militaristic Israel a new vigor and lease on life.

From its very inception,however, Zionist Israel carries within it the seeds of its own destruction. So I urge those who are disgusted with colonial Zionist Israel to be patient; for the laws of nature and / or a Just God will take care of that in due time!

RE:  • Comment #53769 by SteelMagnolia  on  2/15  at  10:01 am — “When is someone, besides me, going to hold the media’s feet to the fire and insist they stop calling this mess “intelligence failure”.  It was not an intelligence failure, it was the Bush crime family’s failure to listen to the intelligence and the media’s fault for not reporting what they were doing at the time. Was I the only one listening to Scott Ritter, et al?”

>>>> Absolutely not, but the next time

you’re at one of his book-tour lectures, please ask him to relate his analysis to 911Truth.  Bush/Co. cite “the lessons of 911” literally every time they need an excuse for any military decision they take or any constitutional right they suspend. Obviously, it’s the lynchpin for the entire adventure, which was absolutely the most stunning “intelligence success” of all time.

A rogue network of operatives, in service to the NWO, within and without global intelligence agencies managed to pull off the most spectacularly horrific act of False Flag Terror since Nero set fire to Rome. And, they managed to get it hung on a gang of patsies made to look, for all the world, like their most useful enemy; all of which was followed up by a virtually irrefutably resounding MSM resonance. Then they got their Global War of Terror and here we are, with a broken army dug into a handful of bases in Iraq and a loaded navy, poised to launch on Iran, at the first sign of an incident.

These madmen must be stopped. Russia and China are heavily invested in Iran. The fate of the world hangs in the balance. The charge is simple and clear: misprisions of treason — we simply need a Congress with the guts to bring the charge against the entire administration — constitutional crisis be damned. The alternative is far worse.

Was I the only one listening to Webster G. Tarpley?

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hey, google feith’s name and you’ll see that he is an Israeli spy:  the rat works for Israel.

It’s no secret that the Neocon Crime Family has been trying to get a foot in the door of government power for years.  Cheney was and is the guy who opened the door wide and invited them in.  The Crime Family’s agenda fit perfectly with Cheney’s insatiable lust for power.

Cheney was in the Nixon WH when Nixon got the axe, which, in Cheney’s head reduced the Executive Branch to a mere adjunct of Congress.  Cheney saw the Neocon agenda as a way to concentrate power in the Executive - and therefore in him - to hell with Congress, which he’s likened to a bunch of “flies.”

Then there’s Bush, the loser, the guy who can never do anything right.  Convincing him that, with his Divine leadership, the peoples of the world would be freed from tyranny and as a result he’d get a statue on the Washington Mall was a cake-walk.  Bush, the savior of the world.  How’s that for a Divine calling?

I was going to say that all of this about the Office of Special Plans has been out since 2003 but I see that Digger has a great list of investigators in his [her] post # 53623.  At the New York Republican Convention protest march of 2003, I carried a sign that said, “STOP FEITH BASED FOREIGN POLICY”.  A number of people suggested that I had a typo on the sign......

Here are links to three of those articles, all of which I forwarded to Senator Levin and others at the time.

Jim Lobe: Pentagon Office Home to Neo-Con Network
http://ipsnews.net/interna.asp?idnews=19565

Seymour Hersh, ‘Selective Intelligence’ http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/030512f a_fact?030512fa_fact

Karen Kwiatkowski:  ‘The New Pentagon Papers’
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0310-09.htm

In response to a comment, from what I’ve read many of the NeoCon believe that we at in the End Times. They seem to actaully be trying to push for a global war against their enemies--non Christians. It’s not so much that they are naive about their actions. It’s just that they do not care how many non-Christians die because in their view those people’s souls are damned anyway. It’s hard to imagine that the American Republic could be so utterly co-opted by theocratic extremist. Jimmy Carter’s interview on Mother Jones’ web site was a real eye opener because being a Southern Baptist he here’s what is spoken within those circles. What’s being played out is a war between the Fundamentaist Christians against the Fundamentalist Muslims. All those people who are rational and reasonable are caught in the middle, until the NeoCon are driven from power.

When is someone, besides me, going to hold the media’s feet to the fire and insist they stop calling this mess “intelligence failure”.  It was not an intelligence failure, it was the Bush crime family’s failure to listen to the intelligence and the media’s fault for not reporting what they were doing at the time. Was I the only one listening to Scott Ritter, et al?

WHAT DOES THE ZIONIST NEOCON GANG HAVE ON GEORGE W. & CHENEY?

One wonders what these guys know about this current administration. Its almost like “blackmail” & total control of the U.S. foreign policy.

Notice that no one dares to speak up & mention Israel’s massive undeclared stockpiles of nuclear, chemical & biological weapons. If one were to ask Cheney about Israel’s “WMD’s” arsenals, he would deny that Israel has any such weapons.

Douglas Feith, Paul Wolfowitz, Scooter Libby, Richard Perle, David Wermser, Ari Fleischer, William Kristol, and several other Jewish zionist were & still have their roots way deep in this administration’s top offices and departments. They have clout, manipulating influence & the mainstream news media are their mega-phones.

These neocons & AIPAC want the U.S. to attack Iran. The’ll keep tightening their control bolts on Cheney & George W. until they get what they want!

George W. will pardon Scooter Libby, the zionist spy, Jonathan Pollard, and just about anything that AIPAC demands.

Just sit back & watch who is in control of this current American administration.

Feith, and his associates Wolfowitz, Perle and Libby, all have extensive experience from within the Department of Defence.  Libby moved with the former secretary when he became VP, and Wolfowitz returned after penning the Defense Planning Guidance (circa 1992) to become the “architect” of the Iraq war.

Saddam was indeed supporting terrorism - against Israel.  Is this a pre-dominant reason for the US attacking Iraq? Is there a link between this and that these gentlemen above are Jewish-Americans and support Israel?

Is this an underlying theme to your article? 

It is not unreasonable to ask such questions.  Many will say that supporting Israel is “in the strategic interests” of the US, yet what strategic interest does Israel actually play?

This Government NEEDS an ENEMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And why did they need an Office of Special Plans when they had the entire Defense Intelligence Agency to refute the CIA? Could it be that DIA agreed with CIA and were both sidelined by this group of treasonous criminals? Convict them all!

I find it hard to believe how the NeoCons could be so clueless and naive. I cannot think of a more disastrous group of “thinkers” in our history.

Feith is just one of many inter-connected people and groups who lied to get the American people, Congress and the media to support the invasion of Iraq.

Certain people in the press, like Judith Miller amd FOX News, as well those planted in the Bush administration (many still there) were involved.

Other events and developments in recent years may also be part of these same patterns.

For more on this, see:

‘Mistakes’ or ‘plans’ in 9/11, Iraq invasion and occupation, War on Terror?

Steve Hammons
American Chronicle
July 11, 2006

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle. asp?articleID=11401

Justtellthetruth so rightly says:

“I find it almost unbelievable that Feith Fails to mention (nor does Senator Levin or the IG) that Larry Franklin, who worked in the OSP with Feith, is doing 12 years in federal prison for espionage against the US as the result of an FBI sting that occured when Feith and Franklin were working at the OSP. “

Yes. Isn’t it just amazing? This tells us how deep Levin’s “investigation” is never going to go: it will never go near uncovering the role of Israel’s lobbyists and agents in dragging us into a war against Iraq for what they believed was Israel’s benefit - just as they are now dragging us, with our crippled army, into a new war against Iran.

RE: Comment #53678 by Kwagmyre  on  2/14  at  7:10 pm
#53608 by John B: — “Sometimes I wonder if Bush is a de facto a mouthpiece for the real deciders such as Feith,
Rumsfeld, Cheney..........”

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>actually

they’re all in service to the New World Oligarchy — the only ones who stand to gain from the Global War Of Terror — to be clear, the NWO is an ultra-elitist gang of financiers holding no allegiance to any nation or citizenry — the militaries we, the people (i.e. taxpayers) fund and feed with blood and guts, serve as their private armies, to secure their global interests — the management of all this we never see — the blood and guts part is getting harder to support, so look for the Black Waters to step more frequently into the breech — BW mercenaries are well paid and they love the danger — the only way to rein in this madness is to get as many of these petty operatives (Feith, Franklin, Perle, Cheney, Bush et al) into the doc on charges of treason, show them the noose and make them to start flipping on their coconspirators and handlers

Thank you very much for referring to an “intelligence fiasco” instead of to the more commonly-referred-to “intelligence failure” [sic].

“INTELLIGENCE FIASCO”...NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
it must be recognized… it was not an “intelligence fiasco"… it was a deliberate cooking of the books…
it was criminal conspiracy… it was treason.
our “leaders” deliberately created mis-information… deliberately lied to US...The American People… and this must be recognized.
One…

#53608 by John B:

“Sometimes I wonder if Bush is a de facto a mouthpiece for the real deciders such as Feith,
Rumsfeld, Cheney..........”

Of course he is.  In fact, the entire Neocon cabal was rather “blessed” by 9/11 since that gave them the golden opportunity to then push their agenda on the bumbling Bush who was already predisposed to following that agenda, hook line & sinker.

I cannot let Kathy Kang’s comment about Robert Scheer go by without comment. Believe me, Ms. Kang, Scheer’s efforts have indeed been tireless and he has been commenting on Iraq and much much more WAY before the fact. Do your homework, woman.

The underlying thing—which does not speak its name—is the lobby which supports the right-wing in Israel, AIPAC. To speak about it is to be labelled anti-semitic by people like Abraham Foxman of the ADC and to suggest that his extremism and those who fashioned the Iraq policy of this administration hurts the American and Israeli people is an act of courage in the current climate.
Jim Anderson

Feith’s “Office of Special Plans” was joined at the hip with Ariel Sharon’s office in Israel, both working to crank out fake intel to drag America into a war against Iraq - thus beginning execution of the “Clean Break” project.

Robert Dreyfuss explained it in “The Nation” over 3 years ago; but every time I tried to tell other “antiwar” people about it, they screamed “Anti-Semitism!” and covered their ears:

Dreyfuss, writing in July 2003:

“According to the former official, also feeding information to the Office of Special Plans was a secret, rump unit established last year in the office of Prime Minister Ariel Sharon of Israel....

“This unit, which paralleled Shulsky’s--and which has not previously been reported--prepared intelligence reports on Iraq in English (not Hebrew) and forwarded them to the Office of Special Plans....

“It was created in Sharon’s office, not inside Israel’s Mossad intelligence service, because the Mossad--which prides itself on extreme professionalism--had views closer to the CIA’s, not the Pentagon’s, on Iraq. This secretive unit, and not the Mossad, may well have been the source of the forged documents purporting to show that Iraq tried to purchase yellowcake uranium for weapons from Niger in West Africa, according to the former official.”

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20030707/dreyfuss

Senator Levin is loyal to Israel, as are all members of the Congress. As such, most of the inquiries are meaningless and really nothing more than posturing, when it comes to the neocons, such as Feith, actions on behalf of the best interests of Israel.

I find it almost unbelievable that Feith Fails to mention (nor does Senator Levin or the IG) that Larry Franklin, who worked in the OSP with Feith, is doing 12 years in federal prison for espionage against the US as the result of an FBI sting that occured when Feith and Franklin were working at the OSP. Franklin was caught giving classified Intel on Iran to 2 AIPAC officials who then transfered it to Isreal for the purpose of creating counterintel that would inspire a US war against Iran, precisely the type of crime the IG was investigating the OSP for regarding Iraq. Feith resigned shortly after Franklin was sent to prison.

Senator Levin is one of the all time Highest recipients of Funding from AIPAC. How is it possible that he is qualified to investigate Feith, when the two AIPAC officials that took Classified Intel from Franklin are soon to go on trial for Espionage agasint the US. As a major recipient of funding from AIPAC, Senator Levin, and any other Senator that receives AIPAC funding should recuse themselves from any involvment in the investigation of Feith due to obvious problems with conflict of interest.

The Government should allow an outside special prosecutor to take over the IG’s ivestigation and no member of congress that takes money from AIPAC should be allowed to participate in the oversight of this investigation.

In fact, a finding that the OSPs activities were “Innapropriate” is really not saying anything that is not obvious alerady. However, with one OSP member in federal Prison for trying to create counterintel to start a war with Iran, I think it is impossible to suggest that “nothing Illegal” happened at the OSP, and that if Senator Levin was being honest with the nation, He would be screaming about this at the top of his lungs. But that would put AIPAC in a VERY bad light.

In fact, one could conclude that Levin is slapping Feith on the wrist, while helping AIPAC to elude public scrutiny for the culpabilty they share with Feith and Franklin crimes at the OSP.

Kathy Kang said
“Bravo to Robert Scheer for his tireless efforts to get to the bottom of facts; we the public have been served with false informations(at times “fiction-like") for too long. Sadly it is not just about the War we have been mislead.”

I wouldn’t be calling Robert Scheer’s effort tireless, since he is just commenting after the fact.  We should be congratulating Robert Dreyfuss and Jason Vest for their article “The Lie Factory” back in Jan 2004, Seymour Hersh for his article “Selective Intelligence” back in May 2003, Karen Kwiatkowski for her article “The new Pentagon papers” back in Mar 2004, Jim Lobe for his article “Pentagon Office Home to Neo-Con Network” back in July 2003, along with others (including John Dizard, whose article “How Ahmed Chalabi conned the neocons” exposed the world of Feith), exposed the inner working of the OSP.

If more mainstream media did more investigation into it instead of just mentioning it in passing, there would have been alot more exposed much earlier on.  They probably stayed a mile away because Feith will open a pandora box of agendas and motives, which nobody in the mainstream media would want to touch, and probably the same reason why only a very small portion of the Inspector general’s investigation is declassified.

And now the same cabal are off to form the same selective intelligence gathering team on Iran.

the defination of insanity is Bush and channey. Doing the same things over and over and expecting different results.

Sometimes I wonder if Bush is a de facto a mouthpiece for the real deciders such as Feith, Rumsfeld, Cheney..........

Real deciders fabricated, bent and twisted anything to suit their needs, then presented to the mouthpiece who blah blah blah I am the decider.

The problem the Democrats are inevitably going to have to face with the revelations that are going to come out over the next couple of months through hearings right, left, and centre, is that it will be all too obvious that if you impeach Bush, you are left with Cheney. Egad!! So you have to impeach BOTH Bush and Cheney, and we are left with Pelosi. But then, the entire right-wing goes up in arms and claims that the leftist liberals are going for complete regime change, and Pelosi becomes President without a vote. Viva democracy. Do the democrats bite the bullet, have all the neo-con spin doctors slowly mount a new, concerted effort at attacking the democrats, possibly affecting 2008? This would certainly give them an issue to rally around, and put the democrats in a light that says, hey, these democrats will do anything to win the White House (weak president and administration in the face of the war on terror, etc. ad nauseam). Or do the democrats simply continue to show over the next year or so just how incompetent, corrupt and sleazy these criminals have been, so that the American public quite rightly punishes the ENTIRE lot of right-wing pricks in 2008, ringing in a democrat sweep? Politics is politics, and sometimes, pragmatic politics will have to trump democratic justice. I think the best that can happen over the next year is to paint the bastards into a corner of impotency, and yes, the House and the Senate will have to do what they can to get us to the next President...what a GD mess!

#53521 Thanks for the great post.

A retired intelligence type explained what Feith and his fellow travelers did in regards to “intelligence.” Apparently the intelligence community - and it’s big - gets stuff from all over the world, daily.  When received, it is separated into two, at least, piles.  One is called something like the dump pile because the stuff is worthless, for a number of reasons.

What Feith etal did was to go through the “trash” pile and take out what would support their agenda.  They then turned around and called it “intelligence.” Neat trick?  Only if hundreds of thousands of human beings don’t lie dead because of it.

Major Karen Kwiatkowski, a Mid-East intelligence analyst for the Pentagon at the time, first reported this, and called it a virtual ‘coupe’ within the Pentagon.  A life long Republican herself, she stated that it (the office of special plans) was not based on intelligence information at all, and was therefore worse than ‘cherry picked’.  She had the Libyan desk within the Pentagon’s intelligence community, and currently has a valuable website.

“Feith” based initiative.  That comment nails it and says it all.  If he single-handedly started the fiasco in Iraq, how does he keep his job at Georgetown?

“ASKING FOR PROOF”
Challenging the Theory We Must Stay in Iraq So Terrorism Won’t Come to America

Diehard Bush supporters say if we leave Iraq, the insurgents we’re fighting’ll follow us home. The theory being, it’s better to battle them over there than in the streets of LA. Just once though, wouldn’t it be nice if people making such assertions looked at history, facts or even logic before mouthing such simplitudes?

Can those who constantly parrot the Bush position point to a single example of that ever happening to us before? It doesn’t seem to have occurred after any of our other wars. Where are the newspaper accounts of any demolitions, arsons or ambushes conducted by defeated Nazis or Ninjas in the post war US. After we smashed their entire civilizations, they certainly had reason to seek revenge, not to mention the technical knowhow. Castro? North Koreans? They still don’t like us after half a lifetime, but they didn’t “follow us home.”

Might it make a difference if we’re the ones defeated or who give up? When a Lebanese suicide truck bomber blew up Marine barracks in Beirut, Regan hastily slunk out of town. Clinton did much the same in Somalia. When was the last time you heard of a followup by either Lebanese or Somali Muslims?

Those were relatively isolated incidents. We left quickly after just one major adverse confrontation. Does is make a difference if we leave after a long nasty conflict? Well, the Vietnam War was certainly comparable to what’s happening in Iraq. We could look to it to see what might happen if we pulled out after essentially acknowledging either defeat or at least that it’s not worth the cost. The Viet Cong were tenacious, fierce insurgents who fought using terror tactics for literally decades. Name one example of where the victorious insurgents there followed us home.

Does that mean it’s not possible? Of course not. The point is that the Iraqi insurgents could do so right now without having to wait. Thanks to a delusional Administration, an incompetent Homeland Security agency and a cheapskate Congress, an almost porous border exists. Pregnant women can walk across the border almost at will. What makes anyone think that it is a perfect defense against a stealthy terrorist? Worse, maybe one in ten thousand cargo containers docking in our ports are inspected. Put a nuke in any of them and a terrorist could touch off a bomb a few hundred feet from Wall Street. Hell, there is probably at least a one in ten chance that an uninspected weapon could be flown in on a FedEx plane if asked to pick up a package. Consequently, the terrorists don’t even need to come here.

Why haven’t they attacked so far? Good question, but it does not seem to have anything to do with inability to get here. Perhaps part of the answer lies in the statistics on violence in Iraq. They seem to be killing more of each other than us. If leave Iraq, is that likely to diminish so that they could come after us alone? Is there any evidence of that in the past? Usually in similar situations, they seem to spend a long time fighting for power among themselves, then concentrating control once received and rebuilding after the consolidation. It typically takes years.

And, what happens after that rebuilding distraction their attention and energy is finally successful? We could again look to our enemies in prior conflicts, whether Cold War or Brush Fire War. Look at our bitter foe Vietnam. Communist Vietnam has been now granted favored nation trading partner status with state visits by none other than Bush himself.

Should we be sanguine about the possibility of future terror attacks here. Never! At the same time, the next time a Republican starts spouting nonsense about at least this particular justification for staying as an occupying belligerent in Iraq indefinitely, ask for an iota of proof. If not, let’s bury this bit of nonsense. Otherwise, we might end up getting more of our people killed than we might save.

Feith’s Op-Ed in Washington Post 2/14/07: In summary he calls his actions a questioning of intelligence.
Response:
As usual Feith, et al, conflate speculation with intelligence.
The intelligence was and is that there was no operational connection between al Quaeda/Jihadis and the Sunni government. That is the intelligence. That is the only conclusion available based on known evidence.
That al Q and the Sunnis might hook up is speculation. It might be well reasoned. It might, in time, be correct. But, briefing policy planners at the highest levels of government as to a speculative interpretation of the facts is not entitled to be called questioning of intelligence.
Mr. Feith, your argument is as bankrupt as your ethics and motivation to convince the public that there was an al Q connection in Iraq.
If an individual or a group of individuals knowingly conspire to mislead Congress jail time should be forthcoming

Feith is intensely loyal to Israel and was acting in it’s best interests. He was a respected neocon, and did an excellent job for them.

Apparently Feith now has a teaching position at Georgetown’s School of Foreign Service! Amazing!