The Bush/Cheney Administration has no choice to support its lackey’s: Ashcroft, Gonzales, Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld et. al. etc., because if they are held accountable by Congress, the American people and the World Bank, it will raise bigger questions pointing directly to the White House. Pelosi may have wanted to not spend her finest hour off on a wild goose chase in Impeachment proceedings but that simple fact is that this is the singular MOST CORRUPT ADMINISTRATION IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES. As Donald Trump has said, EVERYTHING HAS BEEN A LIE since Bush & Cheney came to power. BUSH/CHENEY = NIXON/AGNEW ON STEROIDS. Ironically these big scandals all keep coming at a time that their best friend Rupert Murdoch and NewsCorp. want to come take Dow Jones and the Wall Street Journal off the hands of the Bancroft family. The Huffington Post only scratches the surface my friends. To understand what is happening in America, read more alternative news media and the view of journalists from outside this country. Lest their be no doubt that should Dow Jones and the Wall Street Journal lose its independence and become another propaganda outlet in the arsenal of Rupert Murdoch’s NewsCorp., then Fasicism will have defeated Democracy in America.  None of these folks have any respect for the Constitution or the rule of law. They must GO!

Geoff writes

Obama won’t go on Fox because of the false report that he attended an Islamic militant school.

CBS put on a false report from Dan Rather about Bush but I clearly saw Bush go on CBS with Katy...what is the difference.  There is none yet you try to justify Obama.

The only thing I have seen Congress do is offer a non binding resolution....wow...what courage they show.....

Your Dems wont go on Fox because they might have to actually defend their positions.  O’reilly has been on Letterman, Leno and both tried to embrass him....so what are the Dems afraid of?  I have seen O’reilly go up against Al Sharpton and both held their own......If Obama won’t go on because of some perceived false report I find that convienent and I find him to be a big wuz.  If he can’t stand the heat get out......

There is no point in debating you.  To think that the Democrat controlled congress could have already ended the war is completely insane.  They have been in session for less than 60 days and have done more than your republican congress did in a year.

Why would anyone in their right mind go on O’Reilly if he continues to call his guests names, insults them and twists their responses around?

Regarding O’Reilly, John.  I can end this debate quickly.  O’Reilly said if the US did not find any WMD’s in Iraq, which it clearly and factually did not, that he would publicly denounce him and cease supporting him.  He backed out quickly on that promise.  He has been critical of Bush but has never questioned Bush on the intelligence issues, the eventual war with Iran and the need to bring our troops home.

Obama won’t go on Fox because of the false report that he attended an Islamic militant school.  CNN blew that report out of its false underwear within 24 hours.

The situation in Iraq is a result of so many factors that there is not enough space to list them. 
We made promises that we did not keep.

Mike I beg to differ.  CBS admitted Rathers mistake and fired him...Rather has never said he made a mistake nor did he ever apologize.  If Liberals are going to demand honesty and accountability from Conservatives then they should certainly show some and offer some themselves when they are dishonest.

Araina is a joke......name the dumbest conservative you can and Araina is that persons mirror image.

As I said earlier I see many conservatives who will go to liberal programs and be grilled.  O’Reilly even went to NBC but when have you seen a liberal go to Fox.  How does Gore not go?  How does Clinton not go, Obama.....the only one who will stand before the Fox people is Al Sharpton and he more than holds his own.

It would be interesting to hear what several contributors to this site would have to say after reading America Alone by Mark Steyn.

John,
Rather has admitted that he and CBS made a mistake. Hannity has twice on his radio show accused Rather of forging the papers himself. Maybe he mis-spoke but he does play with the facts and often only reports half the facts. 

He mocked Ariana Huffington for banning a blogger who on cheered for Cheney’s demise. At the same time I was banned from his site for “insulting the host”.  I did not advocate violence or use sensitive words.  Bit touchy on criticism over at Hannity.com

Geoff I don’t want excuses from the left. I want results.  Dems ran on the “we will end the war” platform and now your answer is “we only been in for 60 days and one of our boys is sick and can’t vote.  Quit making excuse and change the policy. Get us out of Iraq now.  Dems control the $$$$ but they don’t have the guts to do it because the reality is Dems are MORE interested in getting the next president elected...getting Bush impeached...than you are interested in ending the war and saving soliders lives.

I will bet you that you don’t watch Fox but O’Reilly has been very critical of George Bush and he as gone on Oprah, 60 minutes, Letterman and Leno.....now why haven’t I see Obama, Clinton Gore or any other Dem go on his program and answer questions.....except for Al Sharpton.  I will give Al credit for having a pair.  If your dems only want fluff coverage and fluff questions they can stick to the mainstream media but at least Fox guys will challenge the views of others face to face....who do the dems challenge face to face.
I have said this before....we cannot win in Iraq because we are dealing with people who hate America more than they love their own children....I also believe Dems care more about winning the Presidental election than they do about saving the lives of service men NOW!

John,

Fox News is not fair and balanced.  No news network can make that claim without exceptions.  They are all guilty but to make the case for Fox is ridiculous.  They support EVERY SINGLE THING that comes out of the White House. They twist FACTUAL evidence.  Their journalists repeatedly accuse Democrats of “aiding the enemy” or the story of how Barack Obama attended a militant Islamic school as a child.

Democrats have now been in session for still less than 60 days.  We have one Senator who is still hospitalized, which results in having the current imbalance of power.

We will get out of Iraq and thousands of our boys and girls will be saved.

I have never taken a political science class at any level.  My curriculum deals mostly with European history and humanities (literature).

On this website you have the opportunity to watch news clips where people are actually moving the lips and speaking.  I believe it to be a better source than, “Military officials say IED’s coming from Iran”.  This is the same source that said Saddam had WMD’s.

You lefties have coined the hate response to everything.. no facts.. scream hate monger, racist, someone believes in the Bible. .call them a bigot ,if people do not agree with your every whim you call them intolerant, 15 years ago 98% of Americans and 90% of Doctors both medical and psychiatric, called homosexual behavior deviant, now the left comes along [ tying to figure how to a mass a huge voting block] and backs the gay agenda in order to get their vote [ in total] thus the word bigot, racist and intolerant , hate monger was born to be used in tandem with right wing. Is it the entire left, that all of a sudden see the error of their way??? saw the error of their Fathers and Mothers way, and their Grand Parents way...is it that you have seen the light of truth that all your relatives were racists ,bigots and intolerant?? even the Honorable Dr. Martian Luther King preached about Homosexuality being a Abomination.
You people can not debate anything without calling others hateful, racists, bigots, liars, ect.

Mike read what was posted right before my last post and tell me I didn’t hit the nail squarely on the head....

Geoff says...John, I’ve been on your buddy’s website....referring to Hannity.....tell me I didn’t nail that one....

You can come to the truth whenever you want John, we don’t shoot our wounded.

Geoff I probably wrote the same type of drivel after I took and passed with a A (just as you probably did) Political Science 101....your post is not witty...its snotty....grow up.

The only reason most of you here THINK that Truth Dig is the truth is because 1. it fits your needs and 2. because someone told you it was the truth.

Mike writes..... am not saying you are thick but that Sean Hannity paints many people who disagree with his propaganda as being stupid or uses his “Get off the air you big dummy” alleged humor.  That is Fox News’ way.

Mike read the responses people here have given to me and you will see the exact same thing. Your response is like the pot calling the kettle black.
You and others assume so much about posters like me here who don’t agree with you....for example you wrote...As your intellectual hero, Sean Hannity, might say....aren’t you assuming and at the same time making a snide comment? 
I seriously doubt for a second you watch Fox News but as I have repeatedly asked...IF you don’t think Fox does a good job of being fair and balanced tell me which media or site does a better job?  TRUTHDIG?  The only conservative view is a few people like me who post and tolerate nothing but snide comments, ridicule and rudeness.  NBC is fair?  CBS? Dan Rather lied on the air and never apologized and still doesn’t even though he was fired.  ABC?  Air America?  MSNBC?  Several people have said MSN is more fair but if thats true why are their rating so low?  How about late night TV....OReilly went on Letterman and DL came across as Boorish, rude and intellecutually empty.  Dave is really not very smart about social issues.  What he knows about politics and social issues is whatever he hears his friends say or whatever his handlers tell him to say....But OReilly met Dave on Daves home field and embrassed him....Think DL has the guts to go to Fox and be interviewed.  How about Leno.  I watched him practically have a orgasm on the set when he interviewed Carter one show. Called him one of our greatest Presidents?  JIMMY CARTER?  Worst President in my lifetime and I am 54.  I watch Fox, NBC and a little CNN.  For the most part ABC, CBS and NBC have lost the viewing public because by the time they report the news CNN and Fox have reported the same story 10-12 times that day.
Fox News is what it is....more of a conservation lean, some entertainment and some fluff but they are JUST as fair and any network you watch and MORE FAIR than ABC, CBS and NBC.  If you disagree fine but if you disagree tell me why.  Tell me how NBC, CBS present any conservative opinions.  Tell me how MSNBC shows anything other than the liberal viewpoint.
You need the conservative viewpoint and yet many people have tried and encouraged me to stop coming to this site.  Well if you all think the same then only one person needs to post and the rest of you can shake your head in agreement.  You don’t want another side...and when you get it you automatically call that person stupid, idiotic, Tell them to stop drinking the Kool Aid and other sophmoric responses.
BTW...now that the Democrats control the Congress and if you remember they told us they would end the war and get us out of IRAQ...can you tell me how we are one day closer to making that a reality?  We have 2 years before the Presidental election and we won’t be any closer to getting out of IRAQ in 2008 than we were in 2007.  IF the Dems do anything in an attempt to get out of IRAQ AND it fails they all know they would be blowing the next election.

I watch Fox News frequently...right before I go to the gym. It gets me incredibly pumped with anger and rage which I subsequently turn into adrenaline for an ultra-productive workout.

Regarding Fox News, I’ve been told to look out for their buzz phrase, which indicates they are about to drop one of their ridiculous personal opinions/attacks/judgements:

“Some people say that...”

Check it out.

John, I’ve been on your buddy’s website cause terroristic havoc with my logic:

http://www.hannity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=235604

You can come to the truth whenever you want John, we don’t shoot our wounded.

To John,
As your intellectual hero, Sean Hannity, might say before he abruptly terminates a radio show caller who he can’t bully “We could talk all day and you, being so thick, won’t change your mind”

I am not saying you are thick but that Sean Hannity paints many people who disagree with his propaganda as being stupid or uses his “Get off the air you big dummy” alleged humor.  That is Fox News’ way.

Kevin since you don’t watch the news please don’t assume you more about me than you do about the news.  It is uninformed people that are the problem today.  You have admitted here you are one of them.

John,

I do read info from different sites. I actually watch very little on any network. I don’t even watch regular TV. I don’t like or trust any of them. I am obviously uneducated. You, on the other hand, are a true follower of the far right wing. Bravo! Murdoch loves you and so does Rev. Moon. Enjoy Armageddon!

Kevin you need to take your own advice.  I watch Fox but I also come to this bastion of truthfulness known as TruthDig which is a site that has as little to do with the truth as any media site out here.  I ask the question but everyone here bashes Fox as if NBC, ABC,CBS and CNN are filled with fair and balanced reports.  So sorry bud but I get my information from more than fox because I watch most of the other channels and visit many news web sites.  I think I know whats out there in terms of reporting.

John,

Who cares about Fox? Do you believe everything they say? You can’t trust the media. They hype things to get ratings. If you want to get to the truth, scan more than one outlet to piece it together.
You must really love kissing Murdochs feet.

The Cheney Law
Today on Dick Cheney’s 66th birthday ,congress should propose The Cheney Law
Mandatory alzheimer’s testing on government officials , all government officials
If the last 6 years did not prove my case the next 2 years will.
Case closed.

Words alone ain’t pulling us back from the abyss.  It’ll take action to do that.  Specifically, our getting Congress to cut off all funding for the Iraq war and then to impeach President George Bush.  And then?  It’ll be up to us.

Disturbing ideas about Iran from The Guardian:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldbriefing/story/0,,20022 32,00.html

Barham Saleh, Iraq’s deputy prime minister, complains that the US and Iran are turning his country into a “zone of conflict and competition” and suggests they take their fight elsewhere.

Almost any one of these developments might produce a casus belli. And when taken together, despite official protestations, they seem to point in only one direction. The Bush administration, an American commentator suggested, is “once again spoiling for a fight”.

Mike claims.....FOX News under reports or doesn’t report at all opposing viewpoints or unclear developments which might cloud their editorial postion.  Their panels are usually balanced 2-1 or 3-1 in favor of the conservative position.

I don’t care much for news today in general because its the same stories over and over repeated every hour and some how in this country a over-turned dump truck on the interstate now becomes BREAKING NEWS.  With that being said I find Fox’s viewpoints generally are as conservative as NBC’s are liberal and if Fox’s panel format is 2-1 or 3-1 in favor of the conservative position I find NBC, ABC and CBS panels 2-1,3-1 in favor of the liberal agenda. 
Can you deny this?

Ho Hum....typical of what you post....
I would love to see the average IQ of those who really think Fox News is fair and balanced......

If people watch its because they are not as smart as you I guess but its odd how you and others who continually put down Fox know so much about their on air personalities and the programs.  Its obvious that you watch Fox quite a bit.

Still like most posters here you tell us what Fox isn’t and fail to point out other networks that are MORE fair and balanced OR AS fair and balanced.  Why do you and others never have examples of networks that are better?

To John:
CNN shows balance by reporting both sides of an issue as well as l the facts that might be contradictory or still clouded.  In addition, for editorial balance, CNN features that right wing embarrassment Glenn Beck. In not even his worst moment, Beck challenged Rep
Keith Ellision (D-MN) with “Sir, prove to me that you are not working with our enemies.”

FOX News under reports or doesn’t report at all opposing viewpoints or unclear developments which might cloud their editorial postion.  Their panels are usually balanced 2-1 or 3-1 in favor of the conservative position.

Marcella says......So how? How the Fuck do we get this asshole impeached?  Someone PLEASE tell me.  Whatever it takes.........

Gee with that kind of eloquence I cannot understand how you don’t know what to do next.  Maybe after the next cock fight or tractor pull competition you attend you can find a “IMPEACH BUSH” study group to help you with the answer.

I would love to see the average IQ of those who really think Fox News is fair and balanced. Fox produces such mindless dribble that it makes the tabloids sold at the grocery store look like real news. Coulter, O’Reilly and Hannrity are nothing but hate mongers and could care less about facts and prey on those who can’t think for themselves. Give me a break. Anyone with a shred of intelligence can see through those phonies. I bet Murdoch is laughing all the way to the bank.

Enough is enough! The time to impeach this idiot is now! Just do it! But make sure you impeach Cheney as well. Americans need to wakeup and take their country back from this corrupt and evil administration.

GITMO BUSH-CHENEY-ROVE IN ‘O7!

The usual “third time’s a charm” answer for John…

MSNBC is more fair and balanced!!!!!!!!!!! There John, for the third time, there is your answer.

Now, your come back to this post, the usual conservative attack on what I DID NOT say.

So…

Who cares about FOX’s ratings?  Ratings do not constitute fair and balanced reporting.  You asked me who is more fair and balanced...I gave you my answer.
They have minorities and conservatives.  FOX has no minorities and no liberals (other than feeble Alan Colmes who is constantly trumped by Sean Hannity’s hate and wrath for anyone who disagrees with him).
MSNBC does documentaries “Catch a predator” and various ones on murders and jails....even FOX would approve of that.

There’s your answer John....

So how? How the Fuck do we get this asshole impeached?  Someone PLEASE tell me.  Whatever it takes.........

My wife teaches tap dancing but she doesn’t produce dancers as good as many of you.....the question WAS what network is MORE “fair and balanced”.  You guys hate Fox...of course if you hate it and watch it you must be miserable and if you don’t watch it you can’t know what is on it...still I asked what network is more fair and balanced and here is the only answer I get....

Doubt it...Fox News is not fair and balanced.  They love “truthiness”.

One last time...what network is more fair and balanced?

If nothing else, the ongoing invasions of sovereign nations led by “President” Bush have given ammunition (no pun intended) to those countries seeking to arm themselves with nuclear weapons.

Turns out there is a rogue power that they need to protect themselves from: America.

Impeach? Line ‘em all up against a wall!

And what do ratings have to do with fair and balanced reporting?  If the Bush administration doesn’t care for the truth, why would the people who voted for him?

Bill O’Reilly just compared the radical Christian movement to S & M bars, saying, “there are always those who take things too far.” Hahahaha...people who are into S & M don’t go coast to coast, or across the globe, spreading (forcing) their ideology, nor do they protest funerals of dead soldiers because the military allows homosexuals.

Fox News has one purpose:  to create hate and fear. Hannity and O’Reilly are the main suspects. 

I wonder if the Duke rape case had a different cosmetic to it.  If the victim was a white woman and the suspects were black, and the evidence was still as weak...would there still be a call for Nifong to resign and that he be arrested?

Doubt it...Fox News is not fair and balanced.  They love “truthiness”.

John,

Why more people watch Fox News is a mystery to everyone.  By and large, the American people are uninterested in facts.  That is why there is not an outrage regarding the war or the Valerie Plame case. To think that we were duped with intentionally false evidence is preposterous.  But not for us Americans. For Americans, if you let them drive SUVs and keep the Superbowl on network TV they are usually pretty content.
And we really enjoyed being scared...and Fox News is really good at that.

Responding to John regarding Fox News

Here is a clue. In the UK, a board determines whether a broadcast newtork meets criteria for fairness and balance. Fox News is not certified to broadcast news over the air.

You believe Faux News to be the most “fair and balanced”?

Well I believe is just as FAIR as any network we have.  Again I will ask..Which network is MORE fair and balanced that FOX?  You and others put down Fox but you never answer my QUESTION>>>Which network is MORE fair and balanced.  Someone did say MSNBC but if that is true why are the ratings soooooooooo far below Foxes?  If its more fair and balanced and liberals and Dems STILL don’t watch it what does that say?

Is it coincidence that Sandy Berger was captioned as “Sandy Burgler”? Is it coincidence that Rep Foley was captioned as “Dem. Foley”? I find it curious that those are but two little examples of a network that either shows college-radio competence or deliberate deception. Which do you think it is?

I guess they don’t hire people like me and you. You know....  People who have never made mistakes.  But since you asked have you ever seen the other networks make mistakes?  Gee I remember a guy named Dan Rather who made up stuff about the President and later had to recant...but I don’t seem to remember him ever apologizing for his mistake.

John,
Tony Snow.... enough said?

to John:
You believe Faux News to be the most “fair and balanced”? Is it coincidence that Sandy Berger was captioned as “Sandy Burgler”? Is it coincidence that Rep Foley was captioned as “Dem. Foley”? I find it curious that those are but two little examples of a network that either shows college-radio competence or deliberate deception. Which do you think it is?

It’s difficult to add any more “comment” than those preceeding me; except perhaps to say:
The social and political changes occurring in this country in the last six years have altered the future of this planet. The current administration has absolutely no regard for the quality of life on this planet, unless you’re on the top of the food chain. The corporate (lobbists) corruption is on a scale that is non-negotiable with any sane principal. Bush has been re-writing hard fought environmental policy since he was “appointed” to the office in 2000, by the Supreme Court. He has punished the scientific community for “doing their job” and has the audacity to use taxpayer money to promote his perverted agenda(s)!
The world realizes how desperate times are, with Bush in the WH. My advice to fellow citizens and the world at large is- “Duck & Cover!’ How can such a stupid individual be in such a dangerous position of power?  Rest in peace.
ES

It’s difficult to add any more “comment” than those preceeding me; except perhaps to say:
The social and political changes made in this country in the last six years have altered the future of this planet. The current admini-stration has absoluetly no regard for the quality of life on this planet. The corporate corruption is at a scale that I firmly believed was impoosible to achieve! Bush has been re-writing hard fought environmental policy since day one of his “appointed” office. He has condemmed the scientific community for “doing their job” and has had the audacity to spend taxpayer money in support of his agenda.
My advice to my fellow citizens and the world at large-- “Duck & cover!’ How can someone so stupid be in such a dangerous position of power? Rest in peace.
es

Re.: Comment 50031
Things in Iraq have to be done like this...1.get the criminals out of the White House, 2.Proceed to solve the problems in Iraq.
Becoming president does not only happen by doing things ‘right’, it can also happen by doing things ‘wrong’, right perhaps for the one elected but as we have all seen, wrong for the rest of us!

Why all this Bush bashing on this website ?  He’s only trying to make us number 1 around the world.  Hey, I love this man GWB , and also his zionist neocon advisors, fox news network, Rush Limbough, and “poor” Israel, our blood brother ally who stands joined at the hip with us in our quest to control and dominate the world. You have to wonder who’s really in charge here. Israel asks us to jump and we say “How high?”. Together, this dynamic gruesome twosome will lead us right off a cliff into world war 3. Hey, that’s not so bad. So we inherit a toxic incinerated world… but at least we’ll still be number 1.

No snowflake in an avalanche ever feels responsible. - Stanislaw Lec

What the hell are we waiting for? Why are Americans just sitting around TALKING about this on an Internet discussion board? Take what RIGHTS you have left and IMPEACH these lunatics RIGHT NOW! We can TALK about it when they’re GONE!

I am thoroughly SICKENED by this situation. SICKENED by a nation that does NOTHING to STOP THIS.

We need to take back OUR government America! What are WE waiting for?

DubyaSS ran two different companies into the ground...I wouldn’t even hire him to sweep my office floors.  Money can’t buy love, but it can buy about anything else.

Poor guy, and this whole time he thinks that WE think he is intelligent. 

We have a saying here in Tennessee, errr in Texas, “fool me once (pause) shame on you...fool me twice (longer pause) (blank stare)...well, okay, you can’t fool me again.”

RE: • Comment #49910 by John  on  1/26  at  1:51 pm — “while you don’t like the policies of Bush he must have done somethings right in his life to position himself to become President of the United States...”
&:  • Comment #49895 by John — “...the only thing I keep seeing from people here is criticism without one new idea as to what to do to get out of Iraq.”

>>>>>> As for Bush, no point criticizing him, he’s simply the most useful fool they could find.

They are NWO (New World Oligarchy), who scripts the show - operatives behind the scenes direct it - of late a neocon Straussian cabal of Strangeloves, driven by Nietzchien craving for endless war - Iran-Contra legacy.

>>>>> As for ideas

Pull out now totally: immediately pull all troops and military funding and arms shipments of any sort from the entire Middle East (Israel included) - terminate all black-ops/psy-ops - investigate it all - indict where called for - prosecute and execute (including the entire military industrial complex, their financiers and thugs - Black Water is on the table) - anyone found guilty of treason gets the full measure of the law, unless they cut a deal for bigger fish to save their necks, no exemptions and no Ollie North wrist slaps this time. Take them down and put them away, constitutional crisis be damned. The alternative is far worse.

Find a way to FORCE US Corporations to invest in homeland production - the US dollar is now virtually worthless except to buy arms, drugs and petroleum, where it’s not yet priced in Euros - corporations are not individuals - they should not be extended the same rights as individuals - they owe responsible action to the nation’s citizens upon which their existence is based - cut their privileges to match their level of responsible behavior.

All of the above is toward rebuilding this fractured republic - pull back from the brink, then start the investigations with 911 Truth - End War OF Terror

When it comes to killing, the texan shows a lot of bloody compassion, faith, value....that associated with christianity. What surprises me is the deafening silence of his christian supporters who put him into the white house to begin with.

Killing value is barbarous value no matter how you see it. This is one faith you don’t need in this truly civlized world.

President Bush and Vice President Cheney are evil. This illegal war needs to be stopped and they both need to be impeached.
The Prez managed to kill the man who tried to kill his daddy. Now, he gets to fill the pockets of all his and the Vice Presidents buddies with the booty from this war.
How is it that we get attacked supposedly by Saudi Arabians and go to war with Iraq? We all know this war is about profit, oil and revenge.
ITMFA!!!

Never mind the past crimes that George Bush has committed, we’re concerned about present and future crimes this wannabe dictator seems determined to commit. This power mad psycho must be stopped and Impeachment is the only legal way to stop him. If congress refuses to do their duty, leaving us at the mercy of this insane mass murderer, we must hold them responsible for whatever happens.

Refusing to protect us is willful dereliction of duty and treason, and every congressman who fails to vote for Impeachment should be tried for treason.

An added note:  I can’t express how upset I am about what is going on, and, I don’t like the feeling of helplessness I feel.  I am a lover of humanity, but, I am not a lover of those who desecrate the planet and human life.  I abhor it.

I just watched an interview on NBC Nightly News with some of the troops in Iraq, and how they view the dissension about what is going on here in America.  From what I could see and hear, they totally miss the point.  It is not that those who oppose the surge in the number of troops, 21,500 of them, to Iraq feel that the troops already there, and those who have sacrificed their lives, limbs, and psychological states have not lived up to expectations.  They have done more than that.  They, however, don’t see that Americans don’t want any more troops sent to the slaughter, which is exactly what is happening in Iraq.  It is because we care about their precious lives, that so many Americans, I believe, and I can only speak for myself, don’t want any more troops being sacrificed.  I see no reason to “trust” any of the Iraqis.  They are not dependable, and in fact, are, in many cases, deadly to our own troops, as well as to their own Iraqi countrymen.  I don’t want to see any more loss of life.  I care about each and every American who is doing his/her utmost over there, but, nothing is either predictable, stable, and there is no reason for them to continuing losing their lives.

Gander.....John, again you seem to be such an ignorant ass. 

Well aren’t you the big man.  I have a feeling that in YOUR WORLD everyone who doesn’t think like you want them to is also an ignorant ass.

This is NOT war in YOUR WORLD...if people are shooting at me and throwing bombs at me and all my friends its war...you trivialize it by calling it a skirmish.

Bush has not proven to be a great President. Possibly he will go down as a President who failed almost as much as Jimmy Carter...the worst President in my lifetime. But still Bush has had more personal success and acheived higher office than me and any other poster here so while you don’t like the policies of Bush he must have done somethings right in his life to position himself to become President of the United States. If it were that easy you or I could do it...hell even Al Gore could have done it.

Okay now go ahead and call me some more names to prove your superiority............to yourself at least.

Geoff IF MSNBC were truly more fair and balanced then their ratings would be through the roof...truth (as in TruthDig) is that they have very poor ratings compared to Fox.  Now your assumption on that is that the people who watch Fox are just not as smart as you. Obviously I don’t agree on that one.

To Gunny
“you gung-ho kick ass take names gun loving right wing extremists spend 4 years putting our country in a nearly impossible situation,(leaving is not good, staying is worse, and staying the course is worse even yet..) and want someone else to gaze into their crystal ball and fix it. “

You know some people have said I was into “name calling”.  I don’t care who looks into the ball...I want it fixed.  Bottom line....I will give credit where credit is due and I will put blame where blame is due.

If we pull out now: Dems are to blame.
If we stay: Dems are to blame.
If we stay and surge: Dems are to blame
If we get out slowly:Dems are to blame
If we get out too quickly: Dems are to blame
If we leave after loosing: Dems are to blame
If we cut off funds: Dems are to blame

this is very child like in that you think others are picking on you so you decide to just shirk ALL responsibilites.  I will say “Hail Mary and Joseph” if we pull out. 
If we stay I will blame Republicans and Dems.
If we stay and surge I will blame Reps.and Dems.
If we get out slowly I will blame Reps and Dems
If we get out too quickly I will be happy and thank Reps. and Dems.
If we leave after Losing I will say we couldn’t win anyway so the Reps. are to blame for getting us in.
If we cut of funds it will be because the Dems voted on it passed and Bush had to get us out so I will give you the credit.

As for your stragety I don’t think its a bad one.  So at this point in time we have 3 possible plans to consider.

Mad Max I never said Iraq was our house.  My question to you is just how long do you think it would take to impeach/find the truth as to why we went in or find out how we were lied to?  How long are you prepared to search for answers to these questions while US troops are still in Iraq.  You would leave troops in harms way so your questions could be answered first?  Get our troops out and then go after the Bush Admin to your hearts desire.  I don’t care.  I just want our troops out of Iraq....apparently more so than you do.

Geoff first of all my plan is not disguised in anything other than what it is.  I want us out of Iraq as soon as possible.  For some reason you and others are under the impression that I am part of some conspiracy to infiltrate your group...far from the truth.  I think Bush was mismanaged this country and I want something done about it.  I like your plan and the only thing I keep seeing from people here is criticism without one new idea as to what to do to get out of Iraq.  The issue to me is the here and now....critize all you want AFTER we get out of Iraq.  How does bitching about how we got there help one solider to get out before a bomb or bullet finds him.  I am in favor of leaving NOW.  I orginally came to Truthdig because I WAS looking for truth...now you tell me to “look for facts, not truthiness.” To be honest I learned pretty quickly that this is not the sight for Truth...its the site for “truth as we see it”.  Well your perception of the truth is certainly not mine and that doesn’t make either of us wrong.

This is in response to #49775 Gandersen 1/25 @8:26 p.m.

If not for 9/11 what would Bush have done, probably listen to Chaney.

My feelings are that these people kind of knew that 9/11 would happen, why I say this is some people what to win at any cost.  The communinists were the first to employ the tactic win at any cost.

My feelings are I~M~P~E~A~C~H~M~E~N~T.

AND IMPEACHMENT, IMPEACHMENT, IMPEACHMENT, IMPEACHMENT.

I THINK THAT GOING TO WAR WAS WRONG, BUT KEEPING THE WAR GOING WITH NO WAY OUT IS A THING WORTHY OF IMPEACHMENT, THIS CORRUPT ADMINISTRATION JUST WANTS TO PASS THE BUCK, THAT IS WHY THIS LEADER OF THE HOUSE SHOULD PUT IMPEACHMENT ON THE TABLE, OR THIS “EMPEROR WITHOUT CLOTHES” WILL BE THIS COUNTRYS UNDOING.

Margaret from Vancouver, Washington

Bob S,

What agenda-laden planet are you from?  As if we didn’t know. 

Even CNN’s polls indicated that CNN watchers (overwhelmingly liberal to begin with) were either impressed or somewhat impressed by his speech the other night.  Adding those two categories together, as I recall, resulted in something like a 64% positive reaction--and that was from CNN watchers. All of this, of course, was much to the chagrin of CNN, Truthdig, Robert S, and the majority of you readers, I’m sure.  So much so, that CNN abondened its past practice of adding those two categories together before reporting favorability and used for the headlines only the percent associated with impressed (you had to read the fine print to learn that when somewhat impressed were added, nearly 2/3 were on board).  But, that’s to be expected. We’re talking about CNN.  As for Truthdig’s take, consider the source--Robert S.  What more need be said?  A true objective commentator, right?

W did quite well for himself, wouldn’t you objective Truthdig responders say?

Paul

“Blackwater, Inc. and the Privatization of the Bush War Machine”

Our Mercenaries in Iraq

By JEREMY SCAHILL

“As president Bush took the podium to deliver his state of the Union address Tuesday, there were five American families receiving news that has become all too common: Their loved ones had been killed in Iraq. But in this case, the slain were neither “civilians,” as the news reports proclaimed, nor were they U.S. soldiers. They were highly trained mercenaries deployed to Iraq by secretive private military company based in North Carolina - Blackwater USA.”

Here is the link for the rest of story & secretive details on “Blackwater, Inc.”:

http://www.counterpunch.org/scahill01252007.html

Now, he’s hell-bent for destruction, he’s afraid and confused,
And his brain has been mismanaged with great skill.
All he believes are his eyes
And his eyes, they just tell him lies.

But there’s a woman on my block,
Sitting there in a cold chill.
She say who gonna take away his license to kill?

Now he worships at an altar of a stagnant pool
And when he sees his reflection, he’s fulfilled.
Oh, man is opposed to fair play,
He wants it all and he wants it his way.

Man thinks ‘cause he rules the earth he can do with it as he please
And if things don’t change soon, he will.

Now, they take him and they teach him and they groom him for life
And they set him on a path where he’s bound to get ill,
Then they bury him with stars,
Sell his body like they do used cars.

Now, there’s a woman on my block,
She just sit there as the night grows still.
She say who gonna take away his license to kill?

From Bob Dylan’s “License to Kill”

Congress and the peoople can take away Bush’s license to kill and now!!

I M P E A C H

I M P E A C H I M P E A C H

I M P E A C H

STOP HIM FOR CHRIST SAKE!  HE’S A LUNATIC ALLOWED TO RUN AMOK AND USE OUR MILITARY FORCES FOR HIS ‘VOICES FROM GOD’ BULLSHIT!!  AMERICAN FORCES AND IRAQI CIVILIANS ARE DYING DAILY!!  STOP THIS MADNESS!! THERE ARE NO MORE CHANCES.  THERE ARE NO MORE STRATEGIES.  GET US THE HELL OUT OF THERE!

Actually, I find myself in agreement with the basic idea of John’s comments (Comment #49736 by John).  Get out of Iraq right away.  Today if possible.  Protect our soldiers during the evacuations and leave.  Then through political process and meetings with Syria, Iran, Turkey, and Saudi Arabia determine how we can best help to rebuild what we have destroyed once the new leadership of Iraq is decided.  Where I disagree with John is that, yes, it matters very much that we went in there under total bullshit false pretenses, Iraq was not a threat to us then and is now, we’ve turned the entire world against us, many thousands of people are dead, and all for what?  So some delusional wanna be Hoppalong Cassady can convince himself that he is really a Texan and not some spoiled rich punk who was born with a silver spoon up his ass!

McGovern and Polk, in their recent book, have outlined a sensible, realistic plan to get our military out of Iraq. Yes, Bush needs to be impeached but so many in Congress are complicit in the Middle East fiasco that won’t happen. Better to focus on stopping Bush on Iran and on the acts of war against Iran going on now. While Congress and the media focus on Iraq, they are meekly being led into another far more serious quagmire and international disaster.

“Spreading the ideal of democracy throughout the world remains a compelling obligation of those who enjoy freedom, making this an excellent occasion to demonstrate that we still possess a system capable of holding a deceitful and egomaniacal leader accountable.”

Nice try but that’s exactly the point. Our democracy is UNCAPABLE of holding these types of leaders accountable. Why? Because together, all people are idiots. Look at our economy, the ultimate democracy. It’s destroying the very air we breath and the very planet we live on! Look at (d)election 2000, Abu Graib, Guantanamo Bay, Habeus Corpus, the patriot act. Where’s all the people that still enjoy freedom? Right, nowhere to be seen. Too scared to even move their lips. Clinton got impeached for lying to his wife about a blowjob. Is that a crime? Helping your friend, is that a crime? She blew him for a couple of months, the least he could do was get her a recommendation. The least we can do is get Bush hung....

#49342 b vicky.

Please tell me what kind of drugs you are on. That stuff must be great. To be able to desensatize you from to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of women and children, GOD you are cold. That stuff must freeze you brain…

Or are you just absolutely clueless?

The Bear

The Bush escalation into Baghdad will create more conflict and give Bush more time to cover up his crimes.

<Americans understand in their gut that the long-term consequences of disillusionment with democracy, here and abroad, would be disastrous.>

Bush is responsible, not Americans.  The only way to begin to regain the trust of our potential allies and, perhaps, draw respect from our enemies, is to impeach this president.  It will send the proper message.  And, it will be the quickest way to get back on track.  A democracy has an obligation to impeach a dangerous leader.  We should demonstrate to the world that we are able to fulfill our democratic obligations.

Bob Clawson

John comment #49597

John, again you seem to be such an ignorant ass you can not see the forest for the trees.

It is not a WAR.  This is a bush invasion. Or if you have to call it a war it is bush’s war.  This is a skirmish gone bad. Bush used 911 as an excuse to declare war because he lacked the ability to govern unless he was a “war president” A president in a time of war can justify anything, and that is precisely what bush has done.

Since bush in not a leader, he is not a competent business man, he is not a diplomat or strategist, and he needs a conflict so he can declare war so he can do what ever he wants.

Even now when dems and republicans and 65% of the country think he is wrong in his decision, he is marching forwards telling everyone who does not support him to bugger off.

After war has been declared bush finally had some clout to do what he wants because everything he did was “natl. Security, or to protect the people.... Bush, kidnapped the 911 situation and to this day uses it to sell is failed policies.

The bottom line is 911 was the best thing that ever happened to bush and the worst thing that e