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Chris Hedges: America’s Holy Warriors

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Posted on Dec 31, 2006
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A bodyguard from Blackwater USA protects former Coalition Provisional Authority head Paul Bremer in Iraq in 2004. Blackwater’s founder is a right-wing Christian whose paramilitary contractors may be operating outside constitutional restrictions imposed on the police and military.

By Chris Hedges

Editor’s note: The former New York Times Mideast Bureau chief warns that the radical Christian right is coming dangerously close to its goal of co-opting the country’s military and law enforcement.


The drive by the Christian right to take control of military chaplaincies, which now sees radical Christians holding roughly 50 percent of chaplaincy appointments in the armed services and service academies, is part of a much larger effort to politicize the military and law enforcement.  This effort signals the final and perhaps most deadly stage in the long campaign by the radical Christian right to dismantle America’s open society and build a theocratic state. A successful politicization of the military would signal the end of our democracy.

During the past two years I traveled across the country to research and write the book “American Fascists: The Christian Right and the War on America.”  I repeatedly listened to radical preachers attack as corrupt and godless most American institutions, from federal agencies that provide housing and social welfare to public schools and the media.  But there were two institutions that never came under attack—the military and law enforcement.  While these preachers had no interest in communicating with local leaders of other faiths, or those in the community who did not subscribe to their call for a radical Christian state, they assiduously courted and flattered the military and police.  They held special services and appreciation days for all four branches of the armed services and for various law enforcement agencies.  They encouraged their young men and women to enlist or to join the police or state troopers.  They sought out sympathetic military and police officials to attend church events where these officials were lauded and feted for their Christian probity and patriotism.  They painted the war in Iraq not as an occupation but as an apocalyptic battle by Christians against Islam, a religion they regularly branded as “satanic.” All this befits a movement whose final aesthetic is violence.  It also befits a movement that, in the end, would need the military and police forces to seize power in American society. 

One of the arguments used to assuage our fears that the mass movement being built by the Christian right is fascist at its core is that it has not yet created a Praetorian Guard, referring to the paramilitary force that defied legal constraints, made violence part of the political discourse and eventually plunged ancient Rome into tyranny and despotism.  A paramilitary force that operates outside the law, one that sows fear among potential opponents and is capable of physically silencing those branded by their leaders as traitors, is a vital instrument in the hands of despotic movements.  Communist and fascist movements during the last century each built paramilitary forces that operated beyond the reach of the law. 

And yet we may be further down this road than we care to admit.  Erik Prince, the secretive, mega-millionaire, right-wing Christian founder of Blackwater, the private security firm that has built a formidable mercenary force in Iraq, champions his company as a patriotic extension of the U.S. military.  His employees, in an act as cynical as it is deceitful, take an oath of loyalty to the Constitution.  These mercenary units in Iraq, including Blackwater, contain some 20,000 fighters.  They unleash indiscriminate and wanton violence against unarmed Iraqis, have no accountability and are beyond the reach of legitimate authority.  The appearance of these paramilitary fighters, heavily armed and wearing their trademark black uniforms, patrolling the streets of New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina, gave us a grim taste of the future.  It was a stark reminder that the tyranny we impose on others we will one day impose on ourselves. 

“Contracting out security to groups like Blackwater undermines our constitutional democracy,” said Michael Ratner, the president of the Center for Constitutional Rights.  “Their actions may not be subject to constitutional limitations that apply to both federal and state officials and employees—including First Amendment and Fourth Amendment rights to be free from illegal searches and seizures.  Unlike police officers they are not trained in protecting constitutional rights and unlike police officers or the military they have no system of accountability whether within their organization or outside it.  These kind of paramilitary groups bring to mind Nazi Party brownshirts, functioning as an extrajudicial enforcement mechanism that can and does operate outside the law. The use of these paramilitary groups is an extremely dangerous threat to our rights.”

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The politicization of the military, the fostering of the belief that violence must be used to further a peculiar ideology rather than defend a democracy, was on display recently when Air Force and Army generals and colonels, filmed in uniform at the Pentagon, appeared in a promotional video distributed by the Christian Embassy, a radical Washington-based organization dedicated to building a “Christian America.”

The video, first written about by Jeff Sharlet in the December issue of Harper’s Magazine and filmed shortly after 9/11, has led the Military Religious Freedom Foundation to raise a legal protest against the Christian Embassy’s proselytizing within the Department of Defense. The video was hastily pulled from the Christian Embassy website and was removed from YouTube a few days ago under threats of copyright enforcement.

Dan Cooper, an undersecretary of veterans affairs, says in the video that his weekly prayer sessions are “more important than doing the job.” Maj. Gen. Jack Catton says that his being an adviser to the Joint Chiefs of Staff is a “wonderful opportunity” to evangelize men and women setting defense policy. “My first priority is my faith,” he says. “I think it’s a huge impact…. You have many men and women who are seeking God’s counsel and wisdom as they advise the chairman [of the Joint Chiefs] and the secretary of defense.”

Col. Ralph Benson, a Pentagon chaplain, says in the video:  “Christian Embassy is a blessing to the Washington area, a blessing to our capital; it’s a blessing to our country. They are interceding on behalf of people all over the United States, talking to ambassadors, talking to people in the Congress, in the Senate, talking to people in the Pentagon, and being able to share the message of Jesus Christ in a very, very important time in our world is winning a worldwide war on terrorism. What more do we need than Christian people leading us and guiding us, so, they’re needed in this hour.”

The group has burrowed deep inside the Pentagon.  It hosts weekly Bible sessions with senior officers, by its own count some 40 generals, and weekly prayer breakfasts each Wednesday from 7 to 7:50 a.m. in the executive dining room as well as numerous outreach events to, in the words of the organization, “share and sharpen one another in their quest to bridge the gap between faith and work.”

If the United States falls into a period of instability caused by another catastrophic terrorist attack, an economic meltdown or a series of environmental disasters, these paramilitary forces, protected and assisted by fellow ideologues in the police and military, could swiftly abolish what is left of our eroding democracy.  War, with the huge profits it hands to businesses and right-wing interests that often help bankroll the Christian right, could become a permanent condition.  And the thugs with automatic weapons, black uniforms and wraparound sunglasses who appeared on street corners in Baghdad and New Orleans could appear on streets across the U.S.  Such a presence could paralyze us with fear, leaving us unable to question or protest the closed system and secrecy of an emergent totalitarian state and unable to voice dissent.

“The Bush administration has already come close to painting our current wars as wars against Islam—many in the Christian right apparently have this belief,” Ratner said.  “If these wars, bad enough as imperial wars, are fought as religious wars, we are facing a very dark age that could go on for a hundred years and that will be very bloody.”


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By Robert Castle, January 23, 2010 at 10:18 pm Link to this comment
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One cannot argue with the average Christen, particularly if they are Republicans.  They even believe that corporations are people and that money is speech.

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By John Hanks, November 30, 2009 at 4:31 pm Link to this comment
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America is basically just a bunch of crooks, suckers, and lazy cowards.  I guess that is why we think we are the chosen people.

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By John Hanks, November 30, 2009 at 1:05 pm Link to this comment
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Profane religion is a combination of magical idolatry and a protection racket.

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By video, November 30, 2009 at 4:48 am Link to this comment
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very nice thanks

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By Borathian, June 26, 2008 at 8:40 am Link to this comment

LoL this article is hilarious in its blatant ignorance and stupidity, one of the fist basic rules of Blackwater is that no on is allowed to actively preach there religious views, making the idea that every wrong doing of the company is the fault of a christian or because of christian ideals absurd, especially when Blackwater is made up of people from many different places not just the U.S. and not just Christians.

I also find the idea that Christians have some kind of agenda to make the United States into a theocracy the most absurd, ignorant, and laughable load of crap i have ever heard, considering more than 1/3 of the worlds population and then more than 75% of the united states population is christian, if they really wanted to take anything over they would have already done so A LLLOOONNNGGG time ago, which also makes any anti-christian comments about Katrina absurd, ignorant, and laughable as well considering if more than 75% of the US Population is christian then there’s also an overwhelming chance that more than 75% of the Katrina disaster relief workers are also christian.

seriously were does the person writing this get there information from and where the hell do they get the information to back it up.

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By John Hanks, March 31, 2008 at 8:57 pm Link to this comment
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I don’t hate your guts, but I do hate the way you look at the world.  People like you think way too highly of yourselves and you are afraid of too many others.  Your “Christianity” is probably founded on Bibliolatry which is a from of idolatry.  I wish you would quit thinking that the world is made up of symbols, slogans, and the same ol stuff.  I have a good friend just like you who has a gun to defend himself.  I defend myself with a good book and a an old dog.

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By robert hart, March 31, 2008 at 4:58 pm Link to this comment
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you’re kidding right!!!!!

As a devout Christian i’ll tell you why we serve our country.
how about this…...

we love our Country & it’s freedom. the freedom for everyone who doesnt brake laws and commit crimes, for everyone who doesnt want to run airplanes full of innocent people into big building full of the same. we believe that if someone is willing to kill themselves to kill us, we should just eliminate the problem.
Christians as much as everyone else & more than most believe in peace.
i would love nothing more than to be guess what???
a tow truck driver.
so i could help people in need in a unique way.
but i have dedicated & sacrificed countlessly to my country, in the military and in law enforcement.
to protect you as much as my family. because i know peole were innocently slaughtered on 9/11 & i know 2 tow truck drivers who have died. one was shot by some one on the side of the rode for trying to help, the other killed by a drunk driver.
if i can make this world a safer place for you and me. then i thank God for letting me contribute. 
even if you hate me for it. unfortunatly we can’t negotiate & reason with everyone it would be nice if we could.
this message i write probably wont even be able to reason with you from these CRAZY accusations.
Christian Marines and Cops are with out a doubt the most compassionate and caring people i have ever had the pleasure of being with. we just dont tolerate wicked evil acts aggainst the people we LOVE & PROTECT

if you wont post this, fine it doesnt go with your agenda, at least dignify me witha response. let me know if you still hate my guts

GOD BLESS YOU

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By Eliena Andrews, October 7, 2007 at 10:47 pm Link to this comment
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I liked the blackwater security guard smile

ELiena Andrews
http://www.healthtreatments.blogspot.com

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By John Hanks, Laramie, Wyoming, July 18, 2007 at 10:18 pm Link to this comment
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I am hostile to religion because it is an allergic reaction to silence.  No one speaks for G-d.  Nothing speaks for G-d.  It is a form of idolatry to think anything different.

No rapture for anyone.  Jesus hates blockheads and phonies.

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By Desenie, July 18, 2007 at 2:50 pm Link to this comment
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Excellent article.  I enjoyed reading it and you raised some really good points. Keep up the good work!

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By Alan Jay Richard, April 5, 2007 at 8:38 am Link to this comment
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To Mr. Malford (comment # 45132):

There seems to be a misunderstanding in some of the posts here (including yours but also including many of the posts that clearly seem to be taking an anti-religion perspective) about Mr. Hedges’ attitude toward religion.

Mr. Hedges is not attacking Christians.  Mr. Hedges IS a Christian, a student of James Luther Adams, an ally of the confessing (anti-Nazi) church in Germany during the Nazi period.  Mr. Hedges’ opposition to the current “American Christian” movement does not arise from an animosity toward Christianity, but from the same motives that led the confessing church to oppose the “German Christian” movement: an informed suspicion that the movement represents clear and idolotrous distortion of the gospel in the service of political ends that are inimical to it.

I just wanted to clear that up.

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By Samantha, February 20, 2007 at 11:27 pm Link to this comment
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I see this in the homeschool community.  We homeschool, but we are not Christian.  The Christian right has the most elaborate homeschool groups, but they restrict membership ONLY to Christians, leaving the non-Christian children out in the cold.

On occasions where secular and Christian homeschool groups meet, the secular crowd is often met with hostility.  The kids are not allowed to sit by secular children.

The Christian groups are NOT equal opportunity.  I remember calling 4-H to see if there were homeschool opportunities and was told NO, because homeschoolers are not equal opportunity.  I nearl fell over - what?  Who told you that?

The Christian groups.

So, what I see is a lot of separatism, hate, amd a mad grab for political power and economic resources from the Christian groups.

They are more than happy to leave kids that are not their own ‘right’ religion out in the cold.  How ‘Christian’ is that?

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By Janet Mayfield, February 11, 2007 at 11:34 am Link to this comment
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I hope that Chris Hedges did his homework and read Hal Lindsey’s book “The Road to Holocaust” which is a expose of the “Christian” Reconstructionist Movement.  It separates TRUE Born again Christians from the political variety, the Reconstructionists.  He cannot paint such a wide swath and not take into consideration the difference between those of us who are not of the world but in the world and those who want to take over the world.
- Janet M.

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By BN, February 8, 2007 at 11:53 pm Link to this comment
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Hey, James (Comment #50999), thanks for the warning about bigfatamerica.com.  What the hell is a “click-through cash generator” anyway?  Take a closer look next time.  The message at the site says it is temporarily offline and link is to The Sunday Herald, which, by the way, is an excellent news source.

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By Objective Commentator, February 4, 2007 at 3:15 pm Link to this comment
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From Dave in VA…

“Which is, of course, why Hedges drafted a series of articles after 9/11 calling attention to the Wahabbist menace.

And why you folks stage protest rallies against the oppressiveness of many Islamic governments.

And why lefty columnists warn against the popularity of sharia among immigrant communities in Western Europe.

Right?”


This argument cuts both ways.

If you condemn extremist Muslims, you should also condemn the extremists of other religions, including Christianity, rather than trying to silence people who do so. Anything else is hypocrisy.

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By opinionated4life, February 2, 2007 at 8:10 am Link to this comment
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I think that most have looked beyond the “real” problem.  Yes the millitary being run by religious zealots is hardly in our best interest, or anyones best interest for that matter.  But having True Christians in the government at any level should be a benefit to us all.  The problem is that that is not what we have.  The Bible says that you can tell a tree by it’s fruit, so my question is what kind of fruit is the tree in our government producing.  It is lead by people who bread mistrust with lies and deceit being their only practice and all for the idea that they can “protect us.”  And at the same time we squabble over over the idea of whether or not our constitutional forefathers were or were not God fearing people.  Look at mainstream Christianity today… Filled with rules and rhetoric, double talk, and quick to jump into a battle to lead the fight for Christ.  I submit to you that it is not anything close to what Jesus had in mind when he sent his appostles out to spread the word of God.  Todays mainstream “Christianity” and basically anything but what it professes itself to be. “Christianity” since the time of Constantine has shown itself to be more like the “enemy” radical muslim religion than like anything God had in mind.  God always left the punishment of non-believers in his own hands, he never needed anyone to take care of business for him.  But like always we as humans think we know what he wants so we do the job for him.  None knows the will of the father moreso than the Son.  Was Jesus killing people when they did not conform to the teachings he was spreading?  Did he not tell the apostles that if they were not accepted in a town to wipe their feet of it on there way out of it(paraphrasing)?
My point is this, we all know that the government is never on the up and up.  We know that certain parts of the government are going to have clandestine operations on our own soil.  However instead of picking up your weapons and heading out to get the bad guys why don’t you stop and lift your hearts and ears up to the Lord.  Listen to what he is telling you to do.  Listen to him on voting day.  forget all the tv commercials telling you this person did this or did that.  Most of us cannot live up to the scrutiny of public opinion in our private lives either.  Shut off the world and listen to God. Get back to being true followers of Christ.  Only then will these problems be solved.

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By James, February 1, 2007 at 6:45 am Link to this comment
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IMPORTANT NOTE:

Do NOT go to bigfatamericaDOTcom and someone should remove the poster Zak Till. This is nothing but a click-through cash generator. Is anyone mediating this board?

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By Dave in VA, January 29, 2007 at 10:56 am Link to this comment
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“Hogwash. I saw Hedges on CSPAN this week and listened to him on NPR. Both times he discussed how Moslem extremists are exactly the kind of religo-fascists he is talking about.”

Which is, of course, why Hedges drafted a series of articles after 9/11 calling attention to the Wahabbist menace.

And why you folks stage protest rallies against the oppressiveness of many Islamic governments.

And why lefty columnists warn against the popularity of sharia among immigrant communities in Western Europe.

Right?

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By Greg Bacon, January 29, 2007 at 3:02 am Link to this comment
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Christianity is founded on a huge lie:  The so-called aspect which is known as “Free Will”.

Free will stipulates that a person is free to either worship god or choose not to. However, if you choose not to worship god, then when you die, you’ll spend the rest of eternity in hell.

How in the hell can that be a free choice when the repercussions are so terrible?

As for me, given a choice between a mythical heaven populated with the likes of Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson and a hell with Mick Jagger and Paris Hilton, i’ll take the latter.

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By Dave in Columbus, January 28, 2007 at 3:08 pm Link to this comment
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“When Muslim fundamentalists rammed jetliners into the World Trade Center, folks of Hedges’ ideological stripe refused to issue scathing denunciations of Wahabbist Islam.”

Hogwash. I saw Hedges on CSPAN this week and listened to him on NPR. Both times he discussed how Moslem extremists are exactly the kind of religo-fascists he is talking about.

The ones who were tardy in denouncing the Wahabbists are Bush and his Saudi clients.

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By MAGNANOMUS, January 28, 2007 at 2:20 pm Link to this comment
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See how politic’s AND religion (seperatly or mixed) still causes friction amongst people? It wont end. Much life will continue to be extinguished in the name of belief’s. Not to sound conceited BUT, I must be the Coolest person in the world Cause i dont want to kill anyone for whatever they believe. I could never be a politician because Other politicians would kill me for not playing the game. Nature is Pissed!

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By Jon, January 22, 2007 at 10:36 pm Link to this comment
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America was founded on Christian principle.-FACT
America has respected Christians, athiests, and any other member of other religions to excercise their beliefs.  I would recommend reading the book of Revelations to anyone that doubts Jesus Christ and the relevence to what is gradually taking place over time.  Read it with an opened mind. Whether you are athiest, buddhist, or anything else, you must agree that we are all, as Americans, seeking truth.  Read Revelations.  Be honest with yourself when you are finished reading it.
  I have a vast respect for the pursuit of knowledge through science.  I love America.  But America, as strong as she is, certainly is not infallable.  Regardless of who you are, I respect you as a fellow American and ask you to please throw away any toxic and weakening distrust you may have towards other Americans and let us all work together to protect our beloved United States of America.

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By Dave in VA, January 16, 2007 at 10:37 am Link to this comment
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You quote:

1. Madison re: the official establishment of Christianity (a very different animal from the *influence* of Christianity); 

2. Thomas Paine re: Christianity in general (and Paine certainly didn’t participate in the framing of the Constitution);

3. Adams’ re: Christianity being the “most bloody religion”;

4. Washington re: religious toleration and resultant civic peace.

None of these quotes “make very clear” that “Christian influence in government” has been its “scourge.” Worse, it’s a very short list. There were far more “founders” than the three you quote. More than a few of *those* were devout Christians. It is ludicrous to contend that these men generally believed that “Christian influence” in government was a “scourge.” Try again.

And again: I’m sure you’ll be happy to say that Dr. King’s advancement of Christian values was bad for the country, too, won’t you? I mean, heck, the civil rights movement had more preachers than you could shake a stick at!

Whither the complaints about mixing religion and politics with respect to the Civil Rights Movement?

*crickets*

Didn’t think so. Nor should there be. My point: most folks complain about religion in politics only when the religion in question goes against *their* politics.

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By Lefty, January 16, 2007 at 7:18 am Link to this comment
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To Dave in WV:

Adultery is now a first degree felony in Michigan, punishable by life in prison.  PRAISE DA LOUWD.  TAKIN’ BACK AMERIKUH FUH JEEEEEEEEEEEZUS!

Here’s a prime example of the disease of Christian influence on government.

http://www.shortnews.com/shownews.cfm?id=59535&CFID=11236078&CFTOKEN=76988981

Yes Dave, I have quite a few quotes about, inter alia, the affect of Christianity of government, American and others.  I posted a few of them on this thread about two weeks ago.  Feel free to scroll down and read them, if you have the stomach for it.  Most Christians can’t bear to have their belief system shown to be false.  They shouldn’t be hard to find. smile

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By we are all bigfatamericans, January 14, 2007 at 7:20 pm Link to this comment
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I agree with Zac Till.  Everyone must check out http://www.bigfatamerica.com

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By Zac Till, January 14, 2007 at 1:20 am Link to this comment
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Very insightful article.  I hope more Americans will read this and also Mr. Hedges’ earlier book, War Is a Force That Gives Us Meaning.  Also, I recommend that people check out http://www.bigfatamerica.com for news and commentary along these same lines.

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By Dave in VA, January 13, 2007 at 4:09 pm Link to this comment
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Lefty wrote:

“It is your implied premise that ethics, morality, charity, empathy, good will, good faith, etc. etc. started with Christianity that it THE BIG LIE.’

That’s neither implied, nor a premise. I never would have contended such a thing.

“As the founding fathers made very clear, Christian influence in government has been the scourge of government, and civilization, since the introduction of the lie of Christianity.”

Which “founding fathers?” What—the ones that were Christian ministers?

And I assume that they made it so clear that you’ve got some choice quotes to post, right?

Many of the founders may have had private reservations about the influence of orthodox Christianity on government, but they hardly “made it very clear.”

Post some quotes. If the “founding fathers” made it “very clear,” quotes to that effect shouldn’t be too hard to find.

“The only influence that Christianity has had on the U.S. government is the perpetuation of the primitive, vestigial, survival instinct of tribalism and all of the evil, ignorance, superstition, bigotry and hate traditionally associated with it.”

So the Christian values advanced by Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., were the same old “primitive, vestigial, survival instinct of tribalism and all of the evil, ignorance, superstition, bigotry and hate traditionally associated with it,” right?

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By Lefty, January 12, 2007 at 11:15 pm Link to this comment
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To Dave in WV,

It is your implied premise that ethics, morality, charity, empathy, good will, good faith, etc. etc. started with Christianity that it THE BIG LIE. 

As the founding fathers made very clear, Christian influence in government has been the scourge of government, and civilization, since the introduction of the lie of Christianity.  The only influence that Christianity has had on the U.S. government is the perpetuation of the primitive, vestigial, survival instinct of tribalism and all of the evil, ignorance, superstition, bigotry and hate traditionally associated with it.

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By Dave in VA, January 10, 2007 at 7:51 pm Link to this comment
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John:

First, it’s “Dave in VA.”

You wrote,

“I am not as familiar with Hedges as you are. I don’t recall reading anything of his earlier. Your reference to his ideological stripe is an unwarranted slap at those who disagree with you.”

How so? Where were the NYT columnists writing piping-hot exposes about creeping Islamofacism in the U.S.? Whither the Nation? Harper’s? Why are the dark mutterings about theocratic conspiracies limited to those intolerable Christians? Wahabbists—of whom there are many in this country, I might add—are far more open about their theocratic intentions, but I hear very few words about this from the left. 

“As I said earlier I am glad you are not interested in a theocracy in the US. It never fails to amaze me that many of my Southern Baptist friends have abandoned the positions of R. Williams. We had a candidate for the US Senate (Katherine Harris) who said that the “separation on church and state in a lie.” The words of Rep. Virgil Goode are truly frightening.”

Goode is a boob.

In my experience, when evangelicals talk down “separation of church and state,” they’re talking less about the Establishment Clause and more about the popular lefty notion that Christian influence in government is dangerous, unconstitutional, and to be avoided. When evangelicals say that this leftish notion is “a lie”—well, they’re right.

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By John C. Bonser, January 10, 2007 at 5:19 pm Link to this comment
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Davie in VA -

I may have overreacted to your:
“When Muslim fundamentalists rammed jetliners into the World Trade Center, folks of Hedges’ ideological stripe refused to issue scathing denunciations of Wahabbist Islam.”

I am not as familiar with Hedges as you are. I don’t recall reading anything of his earlier. Your reference to his ideological stripe is an unwarranted slap at those who disagree with you.

As I said earlier I am glad you are not interested in a theocracy in the US. It never fails to amaze me that many of my Southern Baptist friends have abandoned the positions of R. Williams. We had a candidate for the US Senate (Katherine Harris) who said that the “separation on church and state in a lie.” The words of Rep. Virgil Goode are truly frightening.

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By Dave in VA, January 9, 2007 at 10:55 am Link to this comment
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John C. Bonser wrote:

“Davie in VA - It is good to know that you have no desire for a theocratic republic in the US. I wish others in than camp were as open.”

John, if you don’t think that plenty of conservative evangelicals are radically imposed to the imposition of a true theocracy (as opposed to, say, permitting Christian ethical perspectives to influence public policy on the same footing with anyone else’s ethical perspectives)—then you’re simply not doing your homework, period. The Dominionist model, under which the Constitution is replaced with Old Testament law, is soundly rejected by a host of evangelical thinkers and pastors. For starters, check out the writing of John MacArthur, Jr.

“Please give us the sources for your denunciation of Chris.”

With what in my post did you take issue?

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By John C. Bonser, January 8, 2007 at 5:28 pm Link to this comment
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Davie in VA - It is good to know that you have no desire for a theocratic republic in the US. I wish others in than camp were as open.

Please give us the sources for your denunciation of Chris.

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By Eochaidh MacDhalaigh OghaChruithne, January 8, 2007 at 4:58 pm Link to this comment
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Dan Cooper, an undersecretary of veterans
affairs, says in the video (a promotional video distributed by the Christian Embassy) that his weekly prayer sessions are “more important than doing the job.”

About nine years ago, the Department of Veterans’ Affairs decided that in spite of my full time construction job, my ownership of a three bedroom two story house and one and a half car garage in which I parked my cadillac, on a 40 foot lot in South Minneapolis, and the total lack of a criminal record, that my 100 percent service connected disability meant that I be found totally incompetent for V.A. purposes and be appointed a fiduciary who is my legal guardian under the laws of the state of Minnesota to handle my money and the rest of my pagan life.

I disagreed and since leaving the state at that time, the V.A. has corrupted local cops, D.E.A. agents, and F.B.I. agents by having them ignore crimes committed by private individuals against me and others, all in order to flake me as a favor to the VA.  Before I left Portland, Oregon, I knocked out the front teeth of one of their private individuals who attacked me.  The cops refused to file charges against him and the other private individuals working with the V.A. who committed several crimes.

I almost cried witnessing twice a day, heroin being delivered by Mexicans supplied by the Mexican Mafia, to the house in which I rented a room at 5313 NE Skidmore Street and who’s leasee, Cheryl “Sunsong” Crooks, had been found endangering her young song, a year before during a raid by Child Protection during which they found a marijuana pipe.  It toar my heart out when the local cops and D.E.A. agents did nothing to stop the heroin deliveries, and other crimes, because Cheryl and her son Gabe, one of the addicts, were trying to flake me.

I’m saying Dan Cooper, a victim of state funded private security goons can get away every crime excepte murder.  You might want to rethink your out sourcing of Civil Rights violations.  That’s no Bull.

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By David, January 8, 2007 at 3:15 pm Link to this comment
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Amos Hart,

I’m quite certain you are mistaken.  If you really look at the symbols and inscriptions on our money, on the buildings, etc. and do a little research, you will find that they are Masonic. Free Masonry and Unitarianism. I suggest you look that up.  I’m not going to suggest that many of the founding fathers were not Christian, but Christianity had little to do with the shaping of our constitution.

Free Masonry is not “Muslim, Buddhist, Confucian, atheist, or agnostic”, and does recognize fully the existance of the divine.  You are mistaking the Judeo-Christian beliefs of the large majority of the citizenry with the intentions and actual beliefs of the founding fathers. They intended to create a nation free of any national/ state religion where all were free to practice what they believed - remember, afterall, the colonies were initially established to escape the the oppressive rule of the King of England who was controlled by the church.  Istead, they sought to create a nation where all beliefs were respected and treated equally. Thus the separation of church and state.

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By John Hanks, January 8, 2007 at 1:47 pm Link to this comment
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All “fundamentalisms” worship idols.  All “Skygods”, “Bibles”, “Korans”, “Mein Kampfs”,  etc. are graven images and false gods.  They are food for blockheads who usually have the last word.  The paranoid combination of fear and megalomania are always an explosive mixture.  Look at Israel.

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By Dave in VA, January 8, 2007 at 7:52 am Link to this comment
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A small point:

When Muslim fundamentalists rammed jetliners into the World Trade Center, folks of Hedges’ ideological stripe refused to issue scathing denunciations of Wahabbist Islam. Rather, they shrunk from such remarks, not wanting to appear “intolerant” and “Islamophobic.” The left’s predominant response to 9/11 was neurotic self-analysis: “Why do they hate us?”

Hedges here appears to say that Christian fundamentalists are: (1) as dangerous as Muslim fundamentalists, and (2) just as driven by hate.

In the interest of consistency, shouldn’t Hedges and his crowd extend the same courtesy to evangelical Christianity as they extended to Wahabbist Islam?

All right, enough snarkiness. Folks, I’ve spent my entire life in the far-right evangelical subculture. The movement Chris describes in this article differs mightily from my own experiences.
However,even if Chris is right, please know that there are a substantial number of fundamentalist Christians like myself who want no part of any theocratic experiment. Our Lord calls us to serve—not govern. Christians are certainly free to involve themselves in politics, but the political arena is but one field among many where Christians are called to glorify God through humble, honest service.

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By amos_hart, January 7, 2007 at 11:55 pm Link to this comment
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attila:
There is a difference in a Judaeo-Christian nation and a Judaeo-Christian culture. A culture is like a fish bowl. To the fish, water is transparent, and to you Judaeo-Christian culture is transparent. If you bother to study history, you will learn that our government arose within a Judaeo-Christian world view. It wasn’t Muslim, Buddhist, Confucian, atheist, or agnostic. Visit Washington D.C. sometime and note the inscriptions and mottos recognizing our Judaeo-Christian heritage. You will find them in the Capitol building and in the Washington, Lincoln and Jefferson memorials. They are on our currency and in the Pledge of Allegiance. They are truly ubiquitous, like the air you breath but never see.

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By Lefty, January 7, 2007 at 7:37 pm Link to this comment
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Fred, Fred, Fred, Fred,

There can be no such thing as true Christianity because Christianity is false.  Christianity is mythology.  Faith is superstitious stupidity.  If there ever was such a one as Jesus, he is now a 2000 year old dead Jew, nothing more.  There is no invisible God in the sky.  There is no invisible demon under the ground.  You don’t have a soul and you’re not going to heaven or hell.  They don’t exist.  In the scheme of the omniverse you are no more relevant than a paramecium.  And when you die, you will be food for them.  WAKE UP!

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By attila the stockbroker, January 7, 2007 at 2:25 pm Link to this comment
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What I want to know is, what is this ¨Judeo-Christian¨heritage I supposedly have?  And the whole country has had it all along?  JUDEO-Christian?  Who made that sh1t up?  Someone tell me, exactly how many Jews were on the Mayflower?  Exactly how many Jews signed the Declaration of Independence?  Hmmmm?  It insults me to be lumped together with their obviously Satanic religion.  And as far as the US being a Christian nation?  Reference the above quotes of Jefferson.  In fact the founding fathers very specifically set this up as a NON christian or any other religion type of gov´t because of fear of exactly what we see happening now.

I also like the absolute MORON who says we will appeal to the ¨wisdom and sensibilities¨ of the common herd to restrain the radicals.  Sorry, Im laughing so hard I can hardly type.  Wisdom and sensibilities?  Come on.  Thats so stupid I cant even…..

Just remember….a nation of sheep begets a government of wolves…..you all are right in it and you deserve every bit of it you fools.  How does it feel to live in a declining power?  Better learn to speak Chinese…..

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By fred, January 7, 2007 at 2:20 pm Link to this comment
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christianity really has no designs on leadership in this country or the world, despite the silly, designed-to-inflame comments of the above article.
 
true chritianity is about relationships:

1)    God’s desire for relationship         with all humankind (even those who believe in other gods or none)

2)  each christian’s love for and relationship with all others on this planet, whether or not they believe in god or jesus

NOWHERE in the teachings of jesus is there a directive to take over and control people’s freedoms, or seize control of government to either violently or NONVIOLENTLY impose faith on others.  nothing could be further from the relationship that jesus asks to share with all people on earth.

i don’t remember jesus mobilizing an army or converting others thru force (compare to mohammed).
if christians thru history forced conversions, they were dead wrong, and should have been punished.

so, why the renewed interest in politics by some christians?  i think it’s because they see their values scoffed at in the press.  being “tolerant”
of others, the only virtue the “left” seems to truly care about, does not include being tolerant of christians. 

so next time you hear about how dangerous the christian right is, prepare to be loved to death.  no doubt there are some fanatics out there, but they are not practicing real christianity as taught by jesus, nor do they represent most of the christians i know.

oh and for the record, FAR MORE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN KILLED BY THEIR OWN GOVERNMENT THAN BY RELIGIOUS WARS.  think about Stalin (atheist) -25 million russians, Pol Pot (buddhist=non-theist)2-3 million, Hitler(anti-christian), Idi Amin in uganda, think rwanda 1990’s, quaddhafi in libya, Saddam Hussein, and that darling of the “left” mao-tse tung- millions of chinese and tibetans. how about the “benevolent” father-son leaders of north Korea and the millions they have starved and killed??
makes the maybe 10,000 or so killed in the crusades look tiny, huh?

i think most of us in the world have far more to fear from power hungry people of any faith who want to tells us how to live. so,don’t worry about the christian next door; worry about the politicians you elect!!
thank you…and God bless!

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By John Hanks, January 7, 2007 at 9:24 am Link to this comment
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Our institutions support traitors within, while pretending to protect us from enemies outside.  “Christians” should know that there will be no rapture for anyone.  Jesus hates blockheads and phonies.

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By Understand, January 6, 2007 at 11:58 pm Link to this comment
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“Permitting evil to continue is cooperation with evil.  Assisting evil to profit and grow powerful is direct participation in that evil.”

“All three so-called Faiths of Abraham are great deceptions of varying degrees.  Christianity is the worst by far, followed closely by both Islam and Judaism.  All three are secretly controlled and/or manipulated by the Vatican and its cohorts while followers foolishly think they are serving the Creator by being arrogant, ignorant, and unjust.  Putting any form of religion between yourselves and your Creator is great folly, error, and unmatched foolishness.  I fully understand that this is an extremely difficult conclusion to swallow for billions of people.  Nonetheless, all people everywhere must finally open their eyes and unstop their ears and understand that the religions they have supported or tolerated are primary tools of the evil scoundrels in the Vatican who are purposeful enemies of your Creator.  These religions are all Machiavellian deceptions designed to keep people deceived, deluded, and in conflict, and thereby hide the truth about the Creator and about the true nature of life in this universe.” 
Revelations from the Apocalypse, page 26.
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By Jackie T. Gabel, January 6, 2007 at 10:35 pm Link to this comment
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RE:• Comment #45107 by Squirtapotamus  on  1/02  at  6:43 pm — “Christianity has been a militant ideology since the Roman empire adopted it as its state religion.”

•    Comment #45106 by Wendy Martin  on  1/02  at  6:41 pm — “Religious fanaticism all over the world, now the Muslims and Christians battling it out.”

•    Comment #45102 by Al  on  1/02  at  6:07 pm — “Using Christianity to gain support for the right-wing neo-cons is only a ploy to gain support. Don’t forget that Bush belongs to a Masonic (satanic) organization and his goal is to bring about the Masonic New World Order.”


>>>>> This picture is clear a mud

Why? To begin with the Bush Dynasty is way tight with the House of Saud and, in collusion with them, the CIA, which Pappy Busch headed up under Nixon, has sponsored Islamic Fundamentalist terrorism and so-called freedom fighters all over the Middle East since Brzezinski put forward his Grand Chess Board strategy in the late 70s, leading ultimately to the War of Terror and the myth of Islamofascism, topped off by the spectacularly horrific 9/11 Mother of all False Flag attacks.

And why do this? The goal is to literally fail every state in the Middle East that does not fall in line with the demands of the New World Oligarchy and replace them with puppet states that will. The confusion over oil isn’t that it has to be cheap, but that it has to deliver substantial profits, and to do so in petro-dollars. Cheap energy alternatives would blossom overnight…but for the denial of profits to a centralized petro-based energy paradigm that blocks their development and marketing.

Religion is nothing but an emotional motivator to raise the armies needed to create this horror of endless war, now being seen by many as Armegedon. The real danger is that too many, especially some with their fingers too close to the nuclear buttons, might get too far gone into the propaganda and feel it their duty to fulfill this eclesiastic destiny.

For heaven’s sake at least remove all but atheists from the command centers.

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By Bert, January 6, 2007 at 11:26 am Link to this comment
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People with firearms and religious literature are to be treated as armed and dangerous, as far as I’m concerned, it’s kind of sad to see Branch Davidian-esque mentalities springing up, especially anywhere near our military. You’d think that that kind of thing would be directly and deliberately nipped in the bud, but by all appearances there’s a big blind spot there, or something.

The problem of the middle east is militant islam,
here’s hoping that militant christianity doesn’t become a problem in america. Bible-wielding violent moralists are no more appealing than their koran-wielding counterparts.

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By Clark, January 6, 2007 at 10:52 am Link to this comment
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Dear coulter4pres,

You’re so right - Coulter is HOT! Have you seen the Coulter/Peter North video? HOT HOT HOT!!! How cool would it be to see her on the Romney ticket?! OMG - they are both so electable!
I’m with you all the way, man. Stupid pagans just don’t know how to Party Down with Christ.
And one of these days, I’m certain of it, we’re going to learn how to spell NEWT.

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By radiocitizen, January 5, 2007 at 9:16 pm Link to this comment
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The real problem lies within us, within each one of us - be you a Christian or Jew or Muslim or Hindu, Buddhist, Atheist, Agnostic, etc of whatever race/nationality/creed ... we are wrapped up tight, asleep, in the TV brain: flesh-and-blood robots. We are all idiots… WAKE UP AND LIVE.

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By not scared, January 5, 2007 at 8:03 pm Link to this comment
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America is dying, and like the spiteful schoolchild, wants to bring the world with it, a world it has never tried to understand.

Once again the poor will pay for the mistakes of their leaders.

This isn’t a religious issue - it’s one of simple greed and destruction.

US foreign policy is responsible for most of the blood spilled in the last 50 years - 9/11 was just a taster of things to come, sadly.

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By Caractacus, January 5, 2007 at 7:04 pm Link to this comment
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Over Xmas, I was talking to a family member who took his pension from the UK military and joined one of the UK PMCs. He’s met these guys first hand he is very, very disturbed by them.

What he said was “If some insane preacher came out and said that Jesus wanted these nutters to round up Muslims, stick them in concentration camps and gas them, they’d be red-hot keen to obey orders and wouldn’t have the slightest qualms about doing it.”

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By Sam I Am, January 5, 2007 at 1:36 pm Link to this comment
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“Prisons are built with the stones of law.  Brothels with the bricks of religion.” 

More people have died thanks to religion than any other unnatural cause.  Perhaps it is a mental illness. 

The US is currently a theocratic state controlled by the ultra-right wing.  Now we have ‘faith based” prisons, faith based family planning, faith based family planning with millions dying of AIDS becuase condoms are evil, failth based Talaban-like schools, and faith based national park rangers that tell us the Grand Canyon is only 3,000 years old. 

In five years you won’t be able to be in the military, get a student loan or run for congress unless you swear an oath to the
chri$tian fundies and kiss Pat Robertson’s ass.  Then the chri$tan-controlled military can round up all these left-wing bloggers by tracking down their internet accounts and throw them all in concentration camps!  That is what the chriStian right wants: ” Bring back the Witch Hunts!  Burn ‘um at the Stake”

They hate, and call it love.

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By coulter4pres, January 5, 2007 at 12:50 pm Link to this comment
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Liberals are so confused and sad.  I can just see you under the light of the moon with your eye of knute, tongue of frog and a few stem cells, whipping yourselves into a frenzy over your boiling cauldrons.  In no uncertain terms, our founding fathers created a system of government that represented the will of the people.  The majority of people in this country ARE Christians who will go to heaven, and the ones who will be left behind are the baby-killing pagan liberals.  You liberals need to read more Ann Coulter. When Jesus comes back to earth he’s probably gonna ask her on a date.

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By secomav, January 5, 2007 at 12:31 pm Link to this comment
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I’m a devoted Bush-hater, but currently he’s really been doing a great job.

In 5 years he’s:
1)crippled the Republican party for the next 10-50 years
2)strengthened the Democrats, Greens, Libertarians (anything not-republican)
3)exposed the true agenda of republicans…no more bait and switch BS
4)invigorated a whole new generation of people to look critically at our governments policies
5)spurred election participation (against GOP)
6)envigorated liberal grass-roots organizations
7)spurred interest in alternative fuels
8)debunked 25 years of neo-con warmongering

I’d say Bush has done a fantastic job of politically hobbling:
the NRA
the christian right
lobbyists
fundamentalists
the military industrial complex
corrupt corporations
big oil
the political clout of the “inbred hillbilly vote”

Thanks a million Bush!  Rock on!!

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By Ron, January 5, 2007 at 12:26 pm Link to this comment
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This is getting depressing. The vast bulk of both the political left and the center have consistently failed to even recognize this kind of gradual, long-term infiltration and corruption, much less stand up to it. I fear that until we start operating in much the same way as the Right has over the last 30-some years - and considering how well those techniques have worked, we’d be fools not to - at some point, the only way to protect ourselves from the theocrats will be to renounce our citizenship and leave the country.

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By randron, January 5, 2007 at 10:27 am Link to this comment
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As a Christian, I view our Constitution as the best protection against the kind of “theocracy” that many of my “brethren” seem to desire for my beloved country.

The reality is, when people with such a mindset assume power, the people who are now supporting these militaristic zealots in the name of Christ, or religion, or whatever, will find that their own “brand” of religion becomes suspect. THEY will be forced to “toe the line” of the new regime or face the same fate as the godless, humanistic, atheists. Tolerance for any differing point of view will not be allowed.

“Peace on Earth, goodwill toward men;” “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you;” “Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar’s and unto God the things that are God’s;” “Judge not that ye be not judged??” These concepts are antithetical to a military, theocratic junta.

Which Christian denomimations will survive and be found “acceptable?” Be not deceived! My guess is that most would be found wanting - especially if they actually held to the teachings of Jesus Christ!

Theocracies are no more “godly” than any other facist state, they just claim to be. It’s about power, wealth, and control and those who seek those things will use any excuse to achieve their ends. The Constitution was puposefully designed to keep such an event from happening in our country and as Bush and his ilk continue to undermine that document, we move closer and closer to a government “of the wealthy, by the powerful, for the oligarchs.”

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By al, January 4, 2007 at 7:32 pm Link to this comment
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Hi all
it comming to noe who realy understood the bible, let me explain, i thing we all agre that ibrahim was the father of all nation who sumitte to one god, bur if you realy read and see what is behind the text you all will agree the ibrahim had to sons ( issac and ishmeal) and we all agree the the first born was ishmeal, as the bible say ismeal got the last blrsing from his farher even the were sent i am susning the word send n cast to the desert, in the same time GOD promis ibrahim the his first born will becomme a geat nation and will multplay and will rull the world with god,s way of life, i should explain but no way i would be the idiod whowilltell pepeole that it has been writtin and will not change if and when the wast get involve, sooner or latter, the east will win but if we could become as frieinf the will be fair , as it say in the bible and the will be fair, last but not least, ant nation who tried to stop or demnate ismeal desent will fail, that what the bible say, for he was send to the desert where life is very hard at that time no one new this part of the glope will control the 70% of world enegy today, and one more all this new type of energy, will not do we depend on oil till the the end.. so advise take it or egnor it i will not trust the USE with the worl supply of energy but i will trust the middle eastren country with it you way, it has written befor all this that they will be fair pepoel to do bussniss with…and the is the buttom line ...all jewa and christian you all had you fair share of god blessing bue the last blessing was giving to ishmeal and there is nothing that any one could do about it….

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By Edward, January 4, 2007 at 7:07 pm Link to this comment
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Very very scary. How much longer will our country survive i do not know.

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By Toby, January 4, 2007 at 6:50 pm Link to this comment
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RE: Comment #45448 ARE YOU DOWN WITH AMERICA???
Please Note: Pledge of allegiance 101

Following heavy pressure from the Knights of Columbus (A Catholic group known for encouraging Catholic education, civic and social works and charity for the poor) Congress added “UNDER GOD” to the pledge of allegiance in 1954. Trying to please everyone, it was an effort to make the pledge both a patriotic oath and a public prayer, but certainly was not done because the “Founding Fathers” had adopted Christianity as the official religion, a common misconception. The original pledge DID NOT HAVE THOSE TWO WORDS!

Many still have trouble, when reciting the pledge remembering to add those words because prior to 1954 they didn’t belong.

Francis Bellamy a Baptist minister, and Christian Socialist wrote the original Pledge in August 1892. He championed an economy with political, social and economic equality for all. In other words he was liberal.
He probably would have resented the addition.

The original pledge ... allegiance to the republic as one nation indivisible, standing for LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL ... beautifully reflects the Bill Of Rights.

Adding the words under God, after allegiance to the republic implies allegiance to God is intended as what the nation stands for. Simple semantics, but in a society where learning rote is more important than learning to think, that is an important distinction.

While we should all have no quarrel with someone who wishes to worship or believe as they choose, we should all question any person or group who uses their worship and belief as a tool to control others, especially by force. Aside from being unconstitutional, if you happen to claim to worship Christ, who preached free-agency, it is anti-Christ.

The original Pledge read: “I pledge allegiance to my Flag and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.” 

Bellamy considered using the word “equality”, but seeing so much prejudice against equal rights for women and African Americans, he chose not to. Eventually, his general disgust with the openly racist sentiments of his church caused him to stop attending.

Summing up, the pledge was NOT written by the founding fathers and did NOT mention God. The pledge was written by a Baptist minister who saw “liberty and justice for all” and being “one nation indivisible” as defining us and our republic. Perhaps that was more romantic, wishful thinking than fact, but certainly a worthy goal for all of us.

The vast majority of the population at large had no problem with that pledge for 61 years, and I suspect most still don’t, but we have fallen into the habit of allowing a pious minority to dominate the whole. Not a good thing, because we have been FIGHTING about God, the flag, the pledge and the meaning of separation of Church and State ever since those two words got stuck “out of place” in the pledge of allegiance.

That is a fact ... DEAL WITH IT!

And to go back to “Americas Holy Warriors,”  they would be seen for the mean spirited thugs they really are were it not for the “unholy” force exercised by a handful of people who choose to believe this nation was created for their exclusive dominion, alleging Their version of a Christian God at it’s helm!

Do you really feel you need to live in a nation where Church and State are one? Then I suggest YOU move to the Middle East. There you will find several nations where church and state ARE one. Perhaps YOU would be happier living under Islamic law.

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By David James Vickery, January 4, 2007 at 1:38 pm Link to this comment
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#45047 by jay

Dear Jay,
I applaud your determination to raise your children well, but for God’s sake man, please try to make them better spellers than their father.
regards, David

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By Evan Palmer, January 4, 2007 at 1:22 pm Link to this comment
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A key part of this discussion is what are the proper functions of government versus non-government groups (both for-profit and not-for-profit)

Jane Jacobs in her book “Systems of Survival” tackles this issue by addressing the world view that is intrinsic to certain classes of jobs or professions. The perils of mixing systems that are commercial in nature with systems that are social & service oritented are outlines as well.

Putting protective services in private hands leads the list of things not to do in a democracy that has hopes of lasting any length of time.

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By robert lederman, January 4, 2007 at 1:20 pm Link to this comment
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bush is not a born again Christian

http://www.tompaine.com/articles/2007/01/03/the_gops_religious_litmus.php

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By Miamijan, January 4, 2007 at 12:53 pm Link to this comment
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I personally think this war in the middle east is the perfect way to get rid of all the religious fanatics at once.  Get ‘em all over there: the
Bush whackers, religious right, the muslim fanatics and mix in a bunch of zionist jews and unleash hell.

End of story: Israel can nuke islam, pakistan can nuke Israel, the fanatics all dead in one big blast.  The world will be better off without any of them.  I say knock your idiotic selves out,
“So long and thanks for all the fish.” Douglas Addams

Can anyone deny that would be the result? Oh yeah then Jesus can come, or Mahomet, Krishna, Buddha, Moshiach, the last samurai, UFOs, Behuallah sheesh.

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By Lefty, January 4, 2007 at 12:20 pm Link to this comment
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Hey Saul,

Has it not occurred to you that the putative President, Bush, IS A LYING SACK OF HUMAN SEWAGE.  So what if he says he’s a born again Christian!  He said there were WMD’s in Iraq, knowing that it was an outright fraud.  Bush is a liar, tortuerer, mass murderer and just a plain ol’ crook.

So, either: 1) Mr. Bush is telling the truth and is in fact a BAC, in which case it’s OK for BAC’s to be liars, torturers mass murderers, or 2) HE’S A LYING SACK OF HUMAN SEWAGE, or 3) HE’S A LYING SACK OF CRAP, he’s not a BAC, but BAC’s are liars, torturers and mass murderers anyway (which history would seem to bare out).

Nice handle by the way!  Saul.  Very apropos. Did you know that Thomas Jefferson thought that Saul was A LYING SACK OF HUMAN SEWAGE.  Scroll down for some quotes by Jefferson and others.  And have a nice day.

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By Othgard, January 4, 2007 at 11:48 am Link to this comment
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How can we expect our religious fanatics to appreciate separation of religion and state as a basic principle of democracy, when our own government is fanatically devoted to the religious/racial supremacist state of Israel, which we are told is a paragon of democracy, the most moral and lovely miracle of enlightened governance on earth?

Separation of church and state is good - but separation of synagogue and state is bad? Even a Christian fundamentalist can see that this makes no sense.

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By Outrider, January 4, 2007 at 11:36 am Link to this comment
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Re: Comment #45448 by ARE YOU DOWN WITH AMERICA??? -  “ONE NATION UNDER GOD!!! LOVE IT OR DONT BASH IT!”  Query:  Whose God, yours, mine, or the other believers?

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By aribrah, January 4, 2007 at 11:04 am Link to this comment
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Christian US right is/or Anti-Christ’s might?
In the Light of God or under Satan’s shade
Flock of sheep or mutton in the pan
Make up your Soul, and make up your Mind

...as long as it’s still for the asking…

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By roberto morales, January 4, 2007 at 10:32 am Link to this comment
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I BELIEVE THAT THE END OF A CRUCIAL TIME IS NEAR AND THE BIRTHPAINS OF SOMETHING NEW ARE BEING FELT. BABYLON WILL FALL. THAT I KNOW BUT AS BUDDHIST TEACHINGS WILL TELL YOU A STORY ABOUT KALI THE DESTROYER/PRESERVER OF THE BALANCE BETWEEN GOOD AND EVIL WHO COMES AROUND IN A FULL CYCLE TO EARTH TO BALANCE THINGS OUT. THIS DOESNT MEAN VIOLENCE DESTROYS VIOLENCE IT MEANS GODS WRATH ON THE EVIL DARK SPIRITS ROAMIN THIS LIVING WORLD AND THE ONES IN PEACE WITH THE LORD WILL TRIUMPH. I BRING THEOLOGY TO THE TABLE BECAUSE THIS IS THE BEGINING OF THE HOLY WAR FOR ALL OF US WERE IF YOU DONT KNOW WHAT GOD IS YOULL BE FACED WITH THAT BATTLE WITHIN YOU AND THE ONES WHO SEEK DIVINE TRUTH WILL BE FORCED TO STAND STRONG WITH THE TRUTH IN THEIR SIDE.

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By Lefty, January 4, 2007 at 9:52 am Link to this comment
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Some interesting quotes by the founding fathers:

“But how has it happened that millions of fables, tales, legends, have been blended with Christian revelation that have made it the most bloody religion that ever existed.” - John Adams in a letter to F.A. Van der Kamp, Dec. 27, 1816

“The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe with blood for centuries.” - James Madison, primary author of the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights

“Strongly guarded as is the separation between religion and government in the Constitution of the United States the danger of encroachment by Ecclesiastical Bodies, may be illustrated by precedents already furnished in their short history.”  - James Madison

“During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What has been its fruits? More or less, in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution.” - James Madison

“Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth.” - Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782 Oxford Dictionary of Quotations

“Christianity has become the most perverted system that ever shone on man. Rogueries, absurdities and untruths were perpetrated upon the teachings of Jesus by a large band of dupes and imposters led by Paul, the first great corrupter of the teaching of Jesus.” - Thomas Jefferson

“Question with boldness even the existence of God; because if there be one, He must approve the homage of Reason rather than that of blindfolded Fear.” - Thomas Jefferson in a letter to Peter Carr, Aug. 10, 1787

“And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a Virgin Mary, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. . . .  But we may hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away all this artificial scaffolding.” - Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, 11 April 1823

“Of all the animosities which have existed among mankind, those which are caused by difference of sentiments in religion appear to be the most inveterate and distressing, and ought most to be deprecated. I was in hopes that the enlightened and liberal policy, which has marked the present age, would at least have reconciled Christians of every denomination so far that we should never again see the religious disputes carried to such a pitch as to endanger the peace of society.” - George Washington, letter to Edward Newenham, October 20, 1792

“The age of ignorance commenced with the Christian system.” - Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason

“All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.”  - Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason

“As priestcraft was always the enemy of knowledge, because priestcraft supports itself by keeping people in delusion and ignorance, it was consistent with its policy to make the acquisition of knowledge a real sin.” - Thomas Paine,  Of The Religion of Deism Compared With the Christian Religion

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The Fundamentalist urge seems to me to be very akin to the old Japanese Shinto of the pre-war period: it’s essentially an idolization of the State or a drafting of the gods merely to support the programme of the State and its military. Exposing teens to a religious approach (it’s not actually a specific religion) is to place them under a double stress: not only must they learn to consider killing on the orders of the State to be good, but they have to embrace the remarkable non-maturity that is required to embrace the fundamentalistic approach to things in the first place. And what do we do with these teens or ex-teens once they leave the military?

I heard just yesterday that retired General Shalakashvili now thinks it’s good for gays to serve openly in the military. How on earth will Fundamentalistic chaplains be able to provide ministry to gay or gay-tolerant service-members?

This stew hasn’t stopped stewing yet.

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By JNagarya, January 4, 2007 at 6:17 am Link to this comment
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To “Steve in Tenn.”—

How is it that gun-nuts cannot see themselves as what they are?  The mirror image of those they ahistorically claim will be defeated by them.

All in defense of “liberty”—and contrary to the express terms of the Constitution they purport to be about protecting and defending.

What we don’t need are more of the same: unregulated outside-the-law gun nuts with some “holy” mission to protect their fetishes from the “other” outside-the-law gun nut fetishists.  And in the process destroying the country, and the Constitution they both claim to be about defending and protecting, and which they’ve never actually read.

“Christians” told what the “bible” says—too lazy to read it for themselves.  NRA dupes told what the Constitution says—to lazy to read it for themselves.

So we get chest-pounding Neanderthals such as “Steve of Tenn.” promoting civil war because “opportunity” to get away with killing others—and all for a self-deluding fantasy, or knowing lie.

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By Kristen, January 4, 2007 at 1:25 am Link to this comment
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I was raised as a Christian, and I have been studying Buddhism for a few years.  I am planning to convert to Buddhism this year.  The teachings are beautiful.  What I like best about it is they are against war and violence of any kind; also no alcohol/drugs.  It’s a shame no one assisted the Tibetans to become liberated from the Chinese Communists when Tibet requested help from the U.S. and Britain, since the U.S. and Britain are into liberating people, e.g. Iraq, and Iraqis didn’t even request help.

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By Mac McKinney, January 3, 2007 at 10:05 pm Link to this comment
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Well, I know what Chris Hedges is saying is all true, so what do we do about it? We can ring our hands mournfully and act fatalistically or we can confront this loudly and speak truth to power and the media. The first thing we have to point out is that the so-called war on terror is an utter crock of sh*t, paranoid delusions that Washington and London constantly feed with fear propaganda and false flag operations. The truth, the truth, fight for the truth. A human being’s highest identity is truth, so align with it.

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By Saul, January 3, 2007 at 10:04 pm Link to this comment
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Being a born again Christian and having worked in Israel as an American, as well as other places in the middle east, I have one question I would like and answer to. Israel. is not the tiny strip of land one may see when visiting, but rather Includes all the Lands God gave to Abraham, which includes Iraq and other bordering countries.

Question? Why are U.S. leaders trying to carve the last tiny bit of land Israel occupies, when God’s word forbids it. He clearyly states that he will bless those who help Israel and curse thos who go against them. President Bush said He is a born again Christian. If so, has he not read God’s word.

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Just because what is written in a book doesn’t make it so.
To see why YOUR GOd is a stypid baby killing liar and Jesus a stupid liar go to http://www.religionquestioned.com which has an offer to shut down

The god of the Bible said that a man who slept with the wife of another both shall die but when his Chosen David did this not only didn’t he die but he also got to keep the kingdom and this God that says in Deuteronomy 24:16 that a son shall not die for the sins of a father causes the death of David’s son for just that reason.
This very same God who is supposed to know future otherwise no prophecies smiles on Solomon, gives him everything only to have Solomon turn around and spit on him by building altars to other Gods.
While many say this story is about redemption, it really is a story that if you have an in with the judge you can break every LAW and not only get to keep the kingdom but the object of your crime, in this case Bathsheba. God’s action in this case proves he is an inept lying baby killer not someone capable of being true Creator

LUKE 4:24
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And he said, Verily I say unto you, No prophet is accepted in his own country
And yet anyone that Has read the Bible Knows that at least 2 prophets-Samuel and Nathan were not only given HONOR in their own country at their own time BUT by THEIR KINGS

John 3:
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And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven

And Yet

2 Kings 2:1
And it came to pass, when the LORD would take up Elijah into heaven by a whirlwind, that Elijah went with Elisha from Gilgal.

Jesus talking about the saying ” My Lord said to My Lord” that he was one of the Lords talked about. This saying comes from Psalm 110

1 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
4. The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek. ( Not the Messiah, Not the Man, not My heir- just a priest after the order of Mel

The lying forefather of the Televangelists, srepeated the lie in Hebrews 7:17 talking about Jesus being a priest like Mel. How foolish are the Christians that listen to these liars and think Jesus is the greatest not to be compared to anyone, Shows you, Paul and Jesus were too stupid to know that the Psalms David wrote were about HIM-David

Proof Jesus was a stupid Liar according to the Bible which Christians tell you to read but haven’t a clue what is really there

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By ARE YOU DOWN WITH AMERICA???, January 3, 2007 at 10:01 pm Link to this comment
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Go to this website and you will see most Americans are for Christian views, not the media bias blinding shame we are bombed with everyday. For all here that dont believe in our country and everything Judeo-Christian it was founded on. Shame on you and maybe you would be happier under islamic law enforcement or military. How long do we keep being the silent majority??? For you that dont want religion and government combined, it might be time for you to create your own nation under your godless nation. ONE NATION UNDER GOD!!! LOVE IT OR DONT BASH IT!

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By nate, January 3, 2007 at 8:02 pm Link to this comment
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Wayne madsen has been talking about all this for a while.  You should touch base with him.

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By John C. Bonser, January 3, 2007 at 5:19 pm Link to this comment
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Though no fan of Dick Armey, I agree with his concerns for our constitution. One of his thoughts:

“To a large extent because Dobson and his gang of thugs are real nasty bullies. I pray devoutly every day, but being a Christian is no excuse for being stupid. There’s a high demagoguery coefficient to issues like prayer in schools. Demagoguery doesn’t work unless it’s dumb . . . These issues are easy for the intellectually lazy and can appeal to a large demographic.”

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By Jim, January 3, 2007 at 5:11 pm Link to this comment
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I worked three contracts for Blackwater USA in Iraq and I don’t recall inflicting wanton violence on innocent people in Iraq, as this article portrays.  I also don’t recall the company or it’s contractors attempting to take control of military responsibilities in Iraq.  We had very specific orders and mission goals and straying from those orders was a one way ticket out of Iraq and forfeiture of pay.  Not to mention never being able to work in the industry again.  Furthermore, I never saw any attempts at forcing religious values upon anyone.  My team was made up of Christians, Jews, Muslims, and a Wiccan.  The civilian environmental and civil engineers that we provided protection for were very happy to have us there.  Including the three that we saved from a kidnapping.  Funny how the folks who have never set foot in Iraq are the experts on daily life there.

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By Bithead, January 3, 2007 at 2:42 pm Link to this comment
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What price is paid for one religion to be right at the expense of all others being wrong?

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By lastdregs, January 3, 2007 at 2:24 pm Link to this comment
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Response to old benjamin #45087:

Traditional values…like “marriage out of wedlock was not commonplace”...still pretty much a traditional “value”. I doubt it will change anytime soon. But seriously, you sound like a bigot and intolerant of anything other than a white, christian, militarized, straight-laced and in the closet society. The “country disappearing right before their eyes and worry about their children”. Here’s an idea, it’s called personal responsibility. The country is not disappearing, I recently visited Death Valley and it was still there, but it is changing (I might even agree that in some cases it is going from bad to worse) in response to what has come before right now. Suppressed and exploited people will not take it forever…eventually they will publicly advocate gaining the same freedoms as the traditionally valued and the ability to espouse their own “traditional (narcissistic) values”. Realize that behavior begets response (so be responsible in your behavior). Don’t like what is going on now, then think about what has happened in the past. As for children, be realistic about the world and what is in it. Prepare them by giving them the tools to be versatile and open to the beliefs of others. Maybe so many people should not have so many of them as many people may not be good parenting material (procreation is, after all, a fairly non-regulated industry). Still considering your options? Suggestion, deal with it dude. You may not agree with your neighbors choices but but as long it is not injurious to your mental or physical health then what is the difference. I don’t care how gay or religious (or both) you are, just let me continue to wear my tin hat without being persecuted. But, if you wish to maintain your current line of thinking, that is your right and I respect that as I still feel mentally and physically fine. Have a good one.

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By Lefty, January 3, 2007 at 2:22 pm Link to this comment
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To Mark Plus,

I think these Christians are so busy rapturing themselves they won’t notice when Jesus returns.  LMAO!

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By I.W., January 3, 2007 at 1:21 pm Link to this comment
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This is so spot-on I think it should be repeated:

Comment #44959 by Plainas Day on 1/02 at 6:09 am

Judeo-Christianity is an oxymoron.

These so-called “TV evangelist” wackos are spreading this “end times” nonsense…and putting the sheeple into the fear pen.

Bush is as much a christian as Marilyn Manson is, seriously.

He may “claim” to be christian (as are others in his administration) but a person can claim to be ANYTHING, still that doesn’t mean that it is true.

Couple these deluded extreme “evangelicals” with Jewish cabalistic ethnocentrism, and their influencing policy in the middle east, coupled with unchallenged support for Israel, and the Israeli Lobby here in the US and you have a powder-keg of problems waiting to explode.

It’s PAST time for decent Americans to speak out against this insanity, and then DO something to see that it is halted.

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By Robert M. Castle, January 3, 2007 at 1:14 pm Link to this comment
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What do fanatical religious groups, the military/industrial complex, the neocons, and the international corporations have in common?  They are cancers.  They exist as corporate bodies, entities consisting of multiple individuals, which survive by consuming their host’s body. They all seek to impose their will on others - evangelicals in one sense of the word, lobbyist, propagandists, etc.

They use democratic principles articulated in our Constitution and culture to attack each if and when necessary to meet their goals.

Like cancer they will destroy us unless they go into remission or are exorcised.

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By Cynic, but fighting, January 3, 2007 at 12:46 pm Link to this comment
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Although I am an atheist, I nonetheless follow the teachings of Christ to a very large degree, and I would not be offended to be called a Christian.  However, the Religious Right, which is what this article is about cannot be justly be called Christian, since they behave in ways that are totally diametrical to what Jesus Christ taught.  I suggest that we reserve the title “Christian” to those who believe and follow the teachings of the “Prince of Peace.”  Even at the end of his life Jesus admonished the disciple who cut off the ear of a Roman soldier, and healed the soldier.  This is totally in opposition to what these military and law officials are practicing.  Heaven preserve us from a religion that is a mirror image of Islamic fundamentalism!

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By derek, January 3, 2007 at 12:21 pm Link to this comment
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These “Christian Conservatives” are hypocrites using the excuse of warring on Islamics to further their own goals and line their own pockets. I’m a true Christian, and there aren’t very many of us, I’m afraid. Most “Christians” are lukewarm who are interested in their own agenda or the agenda of their chosen church/religion, much the same as Blackwater, the bu$h administration, falwell, robertson, etc. Remember what the bible said, that there will be many charlatans beating their breasts in the name of Christ… Whatever happened to going amongst them as sheep among wolves? Who are the wolves here? It will be very interesting if we live to see Armageddon; who will be fighting who? Who will be the evil ones? My interpretation of the Bible and what will come to pass is that these “Christians” such as bu$h, blair, blackwater, robertson, and their ilk will be fighting the Jihadists, they will wipe each other out at least for the most part, and the few good people left will inherit the earth. It makes sense when you look at the direction bu$h, blair and their minions are headed…

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By I.W., January 3, 2007 at 10:54 am Link to this comment
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Reply to 45253:

Before the Church Fathers incorporated the Old Testament into Christianity around 300-400 A, on the pretext that it was important as “background,” at which point its spiritual value went way down, it was a very different religion. The bloodthirstiness you speak of is derivative, and Christianity is hardly more bloodthirsty than Judaism (read the origins of the khazar “jews” who comprise 90% of the race today) - although Christian nations, at least until recent times, have more had the PHYSICAL means to destroy and have always turned to the genocidal OLD TESTAMENT for justification. But Israel et al has ever been in destroy mode: “by way of deception thou shalt do war.”  Now they are getting into the act with a standing army that is by many accounts depraved.

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By tom, January 3, 2007 at 10:03 am Link to this comment
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I’ve never considered myself psychic. But I remember my warnings to everyone who’d listen back when Bush was getting himself elected governor of Texas. “This guys crazy,” I kept telling people. “You’re going to deeply regret this.” In return, I’d be told, “We need a new direction. Maybe Bush will make things better.
Happy now?

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By Jail Bush Cheney Rumsfeld Joint Chiefs, January 3, 2007 at 9:43 am Link to this comment
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one doesn’t have to look deep into history to conclude that christianity is the most evil bloodthirsty religion on the face of the planet. this is an objective fact.  bloodthirsty as israel is, zionist bloodlust doesn’t come close to the christian fascists.
http://www.911truth.org

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By Steve in Tenn., January 3, 2007 at 9:12 am Link to this comment
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Chris Hedges has demonstrated his hype and ignorance. In the event of marshall law these ‘paramilitary forces’ would be absolutely overwhelmed by the armed citizenry in this country, and would run like rabbits. Genuine Christians know that President Bush is not a true believer, and that mainstrean 501(c)3 churches have been reduced to government religions.

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By Don, January 3, 2007 at 8:22 am Link to this comment
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Let’s, for a moment, discuss the “who” we seem to be fighting for in this “Holy War”: God and his “son”.  God is, it seems accepted by all Christians, and the “other” sides as well, a “He”; don’t the “holy” books written by god-inspired channelers say so?  (Doesn’t this also forever keep “Shes” as second-class citizens?)  Accepting this, then God must undeniably, somewhere under those robes or whatever (if you even dare think about it), have a penis.  Of course, all men will immediately wonder about size, shape, bulk and length; and how they themselves stack up against the Holy Penis.  (Many free-thinking women will fantasize about this, also.)  Conceding there is a God-penis, might there also be sperm-laden testicles?  After all, this equipment would be necessary if God decides, after all these millions of years we’ve been wandering about the continents, to select a young virgin girl in the Mid-East to squirt some holy semen into; as “He” did for the mother of Buddha, Krishna, Muhammad and all his other “sons”.  It appears he “He” prefers virgins, most of them assumably unmarried (isn’t that adultery?).  Now as to the mortal Jewish “son” of Christians, do you imagine his brother James was also of virgin birth?  Probably not; why have two competing saviors?  A possible answer to all this is, the “Holy” war is being fought over a mythical being in some wishful thinking place, by people on both sides who follow their nose blindly over some writings by illiterate men, the writings poorly translated by fanatics (Romans, and then Popes), who created the concepts of “heaven” and “hell” for personal reasons and led men to slaughter hundreds of thousands of women and others for three hundred years (the Medieval Ages)-another “Holy” war.  Aren’t fairy tales wonderful;  especially for the kids, who eagerly buy into Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy?  And the God story?

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By Shag, January 3, 2007 at 6:59 am Link to this comment
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Excellent article. What’s the difference between them and the muslim extremeist in the middle-east?

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By Dwayne Stringer, January 3, 2007 at 6:59 am Link to this comment
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Being a born again Christian and having worked in Israel as an American, as well as other places in the middle east, I have one question I would like and answer to. Israel. is not the tiny strip of land one may see when visiting, but rather Includes all the Lands God gave to Abraham, which includes Iraq and other bordering countries.

Question? Why are U.S. leaders trying to carve the last tiny bit of land Israel occupies, when God’s word forbids it. He clearyly states that he will bless those who help Israel and curse thos who go against them. President Bush said He is a born again Christian. If so, has he not read God’s word.

Secone: What is the U.S. doing in Iraq. Yes I have heard all the reasons, which Have now fell through the cracks. God promised His people, the Israelites that He would Restore all the Promised lands to them. Could it possibly be that Almighty God is using the greatest military power on earth, to get His will done. You see, He can get the unwilling to do thing for good without them even realizing if. Having lived and worked in the middle east and studying the Greek and Hebrew texts and the Dead Sea Scrolls, I know thta Iraq qas th ecradle of civilization, as well as wher God sent Abraham out of to claim the promised lands and it is where Noah built the Ark.

It is my sincere prayer that the U.S. will stand with Israel, no matter what, all the way through the Battle of Armageddon. I welcome all comments. You may leave them in our guestbook at: http://www.freewebs.com/godsway/ or Email them to us at: .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  and let us not forget to pray for our precious troops EVERYDAY. Ma God Bless you

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By TimInvestigator, January 3, 2007 at 6:09 am Link to this comment
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RE: ED

He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.
Thomas Jefferson

I was bold in the pursuit of knowledge, never fearing to follow truth and reason to whatever results they led, and bearding every authority which stood in their way.
Thomas Jefferson

It behooves every man who values liberty of conscience for himself, to resist invasions of it in the case of others: or their case may, by change of circumstances, become his own.
Thomas Jefferson

Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty.
Thomas Jefferson

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By mac, January 3, 2007 at 5:49 am Link to this comment
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Unbelievers pointing to a radicalized element of the chaos that is Christian diversity as evidence of the development of an American fascism is laughable at best, but in all likelihood, it’s own danger.  I’m a believer and I hear what you’re saying about the sometimes scary tendancies of the far right.  I also see where you just don’t even get it because you aren’t a believer.  (Kind of tautological there, but, what are you going to do?)  Here’s the key, though, friends: appeal to the wisdom and sensibilities of the masses of mainstream believers and they’ll be able to keep the radical element powerless.  Enough Christian fathers tell sons, “No, son, I’m clear that God has a different plan for your life than the military” and there is no longer a threat.  Continue trying to popularize such ridiculous and polarizing positions as articulated in this article, and you merely help promote the us-versus-them mentality that invigorates the radical element you despise.

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By Tony Wicher, January 3, 2007 at 3:11 am Link to this comment
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Reply to Comment #45109 by iraqvet on 1/02 at 7:03 pm

Hey, no problem, man. Some of my best friends are Christians. I’m a pagan, myself - some sort of Druid, I think. 

Tony

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By Jason, January 3, 2007 at 2:45 am Link to this comment
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The Constitution of the United States is in serious jeopardy from these facists, and it’s time to start *fighting* back.

I will fight and die to defend the Constitution.  I will not fight and die to protect oil money.  I will fight and die to defend freedom of religion.  I will not fight and die to protect Christians from their own myths.

I will fight and die to defend my homeland, the Northwest, from the corrupt, warmongering, hatred-filled criminals that populate the South.  If the South is going continue to desecrate our Constitution with facism and religious zealotry, than by God we should level it.  Again.

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By Early Wilbury, January 3, 2007 at 2:38 am Link to this comment
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A couple of boys knocked upon my door a couple days ago…they were Mormons…they asked me if I had ever heard of their Church…

I almost said to them..before you were ever born…I told them I was of Native Tribal Ancestory…I spoke to them that the Mormons..and the Native Tribes they crossed paths with…got along pretty well..and that Mormons of those days…explored Native beliefs…with some Mormons even particpating in the Ghost Dance…

I told them..I believed the one called Jesus did live in Turtle Island…now called America…long before the Europeans came..and taught some Tribes…even as their Book speaks about this thing…but by beliefs of this thing which I can’t prove…nor can they…are because of different reasons than theirs….

The Mormon fellows…said there were stories..the Pale One…lived amongst the Tribes..and came to Turtle Island after his Resurrection…In the European’s Book…Jesus tells his disciples after his Resurrection he had to leave them to feed sheep in other lands…then he ascended back into the Kingdom…

There isn’t any telling the number of times Jesus took on human flesh…and reappeared in this world…where…or when…

Jesus actually taught of a Spiritual Kingdom…not a Worldly Kingdom such as men love…and a Spiritual Kingdom is neither a Democracy…Representative Republic…nor run by Republicans..or Democrats…who long ago wrote the Election Laws so cleverly no one much could really oppose their lock on political power…

I do not have any Politics..as I and other Native peoples just watch the Destruction of the Earth…Sit back and…watch the show…so to speak…

The Right Wingers are just doing what the first Catholics did…trying to usher in a Church/State…that the Protestants would do later…which only amounts to a corrupt Church/State…that does not respect any person’s Rights…or viewpoints…if those viewpoints differ from theirs…

Most Religious Political people…are basically the same Religious Political Pharisee’s of Jesus’s time…as I posted the teachings of Jesus at a dominated Right Wing Republican Christian website…and they didn’t actually like…Jesus’s teachings…

They were all eager to go bomb people in the Middle East…even though Scott Ritter and others said Saddam didn’t have WMD..and even though Saddam let the Inspectors back Iraq…

Same old political liars…As I tell people..keep forgiving them…keep loving them..keep praying for them…even though you know their lying through their teeth…the type of lies…that get people killed…and bring about destruction to other Nations…all because they lust after that Worldly Power..and Wealth…

Even so..as Jesus taught..the Kingdom of Heaven is not of the World of Man..nor Worldly things..that can include man’s worldly political philosphies…

May peace be unto you

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By Cheg, January 3, 2007 at 12:46 am Link to this comment
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Two comments:
One: The core of Hitler’s SS was formed from the Africa Corps, the embittered, brutal, thoroughly racist veterans of Germany’s efforts to build a colonial empire in Africa, who had returned to Germany in defeat.  The danger posed by thuggish vedterans of colonial wars is all too real.

Two: If we lose the battle for American democracy we may, nay, will lose the planet - to nuclear war with Russia and China, or to a global warming catatrophe.  (See article on prehistoric mass extinctions caused by global warming in October’s Scientific American.)  We don’t have time for America to go the path of other decaying empires and then learn the lessons to get it right the next time.  One way or the other this is the last time.  We either bring the empire down gently into a new way of doing business in the world or we go extinct.  It’s the naked rule of the planet by force and violence led by big oil and big coal, or a world commitment to a sustainable planet.

Armageddon is the Christian Right’s program for us, only there will be no second coming, no thousand year rule of God at the end.  The fascists must be defeated.  It really is the final conflict this time.

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By Anonymous, January 3, 2007 at 12:34 am Link to this comment
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Excellent! I give this article seven out of ten tinfoil hats.

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By Mark, January 3, 2007 at 12:33 am Link to this comment
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How to bake up a civil war:
Get 20,000 mercs fresh from a killing spree, add some radical lefties, still simmering from a stolen election, sprinkle in x-military from both political isles, top this off with a mad chef and his Pharisee short order cooks - put this whole mess on a gas burner at 6 dollars a gallon, fry on high heat while stirring viciously with a wooden obedient media for the next 2 years - or less - then say grace to the invisible cloud being and dig in.
I have already exhumed my weapon after putting it down 34 years ago. I only hope they keep their bumper stickers on the SUV so I can ID the target.

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By ED, January 2, 2007 at 11:30 pm Link to this comment
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As a christian who grew up in a traditional church going home in the midst of of a muslim nation,with all its prejudices and opression, I fear our nation is sliding into a mindset,the core of which only creates religious hate and discrimination,as well as becoming a fertile land for future intolerance,and terror,that lives by the sward and spread its ugly,hatefuland murderrous message.
If our country continues down its path,may we bid our children fairwell,...Please love thy children just as yourself,and don’t drag them and others into an eternal blood shed.
IF you wish to do so,that being the life you chose,please ........you’re on your own,we are no crusaders or jihaddists,we have no

interest or desire in your heaven,hell,or

wherever destination you may chose.
If you all are so GOD loving,just make sure you rest with him alone,in peace,I hope,just leave the rest of us alone.

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By John, January 2, 2007 at 10:58 pm Link to this comment
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quit complaining,live in a cave just like what history tells you,then you’ll have no complaints!!

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By Tim Investigater, January 2, 2007 at 10:47 pm Link to this comment
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Blackwater is a Phoney christian front. Black water works for the US Bar association, which works for Israel and the UN.
Go here and click English @ right corner,  after it loads.

http://www.president.gov.il/

Go to drop down panel at left. Click       The Presidency
Drop down comes up
click Heads of state at bottom of drop down,  read the Bottom of the page
Notice the USA isn’t one of the recognised heads of state? Because Israel IS the USA.

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