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Posted on Dec 29, 2006
Hussein Hanging
Iraqi state television

Iraqi state television broadcasted footage of Saddam’s hanging.

By Robert Scheer

It is a very frightening precedent that the United States can invade a country on false pretenses, depose its leader and summarily execute him without an international trial or appeals process. This is about vengeance, not justice, for if it were the latter the existing international norms would have been observed. The trial should have been overseen by the World Court, in a country that could have guaranteed the safety of defense lawyers, who, in this case, were killed or otherwise intimidated.

The irony here is that the crimes for which Saddam Hussein was convicted occurred before the United States, in the form of Donald Rumsfeld, embraced him.  Those crimes were well known to have occurred 15 months before Rumsfeld visited Iraq to usher in an alliance between the United States and Saddam to defeat Iran.

 

The fact is that Saddam Hussein knew a great deal about the United States’ role in Iraq, including deals made with Bush’s father. This rush to execute him had the feel of a gangster silencing the key witness to a crime.

At Nuremberg in the wake of World War II the U.S. set the bar very high by declaring that even the Nazis, who had committed the most heinous of crimes, should have a fair trial. The U.S. and allies insisted on this not to serve those charged, but to educate the public through a believable accounting. In the case of Saddam, the bar was lowered to the mud, with the proceedings turned into a political circus reminiscent of Stalin’s show trials.

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By Susan, December 30, 2006 at 10:55 pm Link to this comment
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Is there a way to keep conservative idiots from posting on this sit?  Don’t they have enough repuke websites on which to display their ignorance?

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By siamdave, December 30, 2006 at 10:46 pm Link to this comment
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The story, like so many others, points out the central role of the media in what everyone believes. Things are not going to improve - indeed, will continue to get worse and worse - until we have a trustworthy media. On Green Island, we watch the Canadian media, who are trying hard to be as bad as the American - http://www.rudemacedon.ca/lgi/ogi-home.html

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By Lefty, December 30, 2006 at 10:39 pm Link to this comment
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Hondo,

You are so brainwashed you’ve got bubbles coming out of your ears.  You are an idiot.  A brainwashed idiot.  You are voice of stupidity.  The voice of the 23% of American imbeciles who will support this grotesque, fascist, pimp, Bush, no matter what he does.  You and your stupid, brainwashed ilk make ME sick.

Bush IS worse than Hussein.  And he deserves worse than what Hussein got.  He is also worse than Castro, Pinochet and Strossner.  And you . . . you are exactly the same as the supporters of these mass murderers and torturers.

Everyone who loves the privilege and good fortune of being an American, and isn’t an idiot, despises the fascist, pimp, Bush.

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By Brewer, December 30, 2006 at 9:29 pm Link to this comment
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Hondo.

If it is your desire to engage in meaningful dialogue with “wacky liberals” I must advise you that us “twisted, pathetic souls” are so perverse that we tend to discount what we perceive to be tainted sources. We also have an unreasonable addiction to evidence as opposed to the pronouncements of the “think-tanks” that got America into this mess.

Your “evidence” comprises the following:

The first is an unsupported catalogue of crimes posted Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq. This is an organization created to bring about the violent overthrow of Saddam. Funded and supported by Iran, it is allied with the self-same people who just executed him.

The second offers us the accusation of Saddam’s WMDs along with an unsupported catalogue of offences, many of which are been since found to be disproved.

The third is a thumb-sucking piece from the ultimate in right wing think-tanks, the Heritage Foundation – founded in 1973 by the anti-labor, racist, homophobic brewery magnate Joseph Coors together with prominent right-wing activist Paul Weyrich and wealthy right-wingers Richard Scaife and Edward Noble.

Not one of these links offers anything in the way of fact. I am somewhat surprised to see that you have omitted a post or two from Michelle Malkin.

Now I’m sorry. Some of us have become just a mite skeptical of the folks who sold us WMDs, the Al Quaida/Saddam link, the short, sharp and easily-won war in Iraq. Unreasonable I know but there it is.
Maybe we listened to your hero:

“Fool me once ah, er, shame on, er umm, shame on you. Fool me, ah um, er - ya can’t get fooled again!”

You will notice that this post is, as you predicted, replete with dirty names.

Here they are:

“twisted, pathetic souls! ugly, hateful bile ignorant and psychotic wacky liberals soulless, feckless, morally bankrupt liberals insane completely psychotic thoroughly ignorant”

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By Toria, December 30, 2006 at 9:16 pm Link to this comment
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Comment #44560 by Hondo on 12/30 at 4:54 pm

You people make me sick! Saddam was the very personification of evil. He murdered, tortured, raped and oppressed the people of Iraq in a way that takes the breath away from all right-thinking people.

Your description of Saddam is a mirror image of the Bush Crime Family, which includes Daddy Bush and ALL of his boys, Cheney, Rummie and Condi.  We must not forget Alberto G… I just don’t have any words for him.

Who’s the leader of this gang?  That would be George W. Bush. We should be so fortunate to see all of them face the crimes that they have permeated around the world for oil and other neocon fairy tales.

If you don’t understand what the Bush Crime Family did to get where they are, then I won’t bother to tell you since you claim to be so bright.  Perhaps you’ll do some research and report back to us.  Try Prescott Bush first… you’ll be exhausted when you’re finished with him.

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By Tim, December 30, 2006 at 9:15 pm Link to this comment
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Response to Comment #44560 by Hondo:

Hondo, you need to sit down, take your bi-polar medication, and relax, because your response is all over the map.  You accuse “liberals” of mourning Saddam Hussein’s passing and coming up with far-fetched theories for why he was “silenced.”

Neither I nor, I would venture to say, most Truthdig readers mourn the death of Saddam or consider his execution an act to silence him. It just seems hypocritical that when he was at war with Iran, Saddam was an ally.  As Reagan’s Middle East envoy Donald Rumsfeld met with Hussein, and the U.S. supplied Iraq with credit, intelligence, and military assistance in his war with Iran.  Secretary of State Schultz informed Rumsfeld that the U.S. condemnation of Iraq for chemical weapons use should be regarded as “pro forma,” and that we should continue to strengthen ties with Iraq.

Granted, Saddam was a ruthless dictator.  But there are other ruthless dictators out there who benefited from American support when it was in our interest.

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By Fadel Abdallah, December 30, 2006 at 8:35 pm Link to this comment
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On Saturday, December 30, 2006, at 6:10 A.M Baghdad time, refusing to wear the face mask his executers wanted to place on him, according to Judge Haddad who was present, he pronounced his last words to the Iraqi people saying, “Be united! And beware to trust the Iranians or the occupiers.” He was reported to be brave in his defiance till the last moment.

Well, Saddam was hanged, and few entities in the world had their day of celebrating “the Day of Sacrifice” in lieu of the saddened Arab and Muslim Worlds. These entities include imperial U.S.A. Administration, Zionist Israel, Shi’ite Iran, the Shi’as of Iraq and Kuwait. It is an irony of history that traditional enemies such as United States, Iran and Israel are brought together in something to celebrate. In his life, Saddam Husain was a controversial figure to the point of irony, so in his death he has proven to be the controversial master of ironies.

With this apparently cheap victory, which would prove to be very costly, Zionist Israel and imperial U.S.A. seem to have achieved a relatively long-term benefit of divide and rule between the majority Sunnis and the minority Shi’as. This conflict was already in full swing inside Iraq, thanks to the American occupation, but soon and in the months and years to come it will spread like a raging fire to the whole Muslim World.

Judging by the comments of the average street persons I read in the Arab media outlets one day after his hanging, Saddam is already the supreme martyr, at least in the majority Sunni Muslim world. For example, Qadhafi of Libya has declared three days of mourning for Saddam Husain death. This Qadhafi is one leader who tried a policy of moderation and accommodation with the U.S. in the last three years; with his declaring official state mourning in Libya over the hanging of Saddam Husain, he is, en essence, signaling an attitude of going back to his old radicalized ways.

What ironies history can bring us in the space of little more than two decades! In 1979, following the Islamic revolution in Iran, the U.S. became the sworn enemy of Iran, inciting secular Saddam Husain and helping him in his 8-year war against Islamic Iran. Then the U.S. set up the trap of Kuwait for him, when they gave him the green light to invade Kuwait. This brought about the first short Gulf War; a prelude for more serious plans to plunge the area into strife, conflict and bigger wars, like the one raging in Iraq now for three and half years.

These developments are based on an old colonial old trick of divide-rule-exploit, revived in the mid 1970 by the cunning Zionist Henry Kissinger. Up to the point of the American Invasion of Iraq, the troubles in that neighborhood were based on crude secular and nationalistic considerations. However, with the hanging of Saddam Husain, all future troubles and strife would be based on religious antagonism between Sunnah and Shi’a. This would be the legacy of the U.S. intervention in Iraq when the history of this era will be written.

The U.S.A. administration would be well advised to raise the so-called security colored code to red, and keep it there permanently for a long time to come; for the Arab-Muslim street is boiling after Saddam Husain was made the latest ultimate martyr.

Personally, though at times I admired his courage in defying the arrogant and misguided U.S. politics and policies, I am not shedding tears of sadness over Saddam’s tragic ending, for he was never my hero. However, I am deeply saddened for the dark future of the people of Iraq and the region in general, who are either ruled by corrupt and irrelevant leaders, or by leaders who sold themselves cheaply to become the stooges of the United States and Israel’s colonial and imperial designs. I am also saddened that evil and criminal Bush is surviving Saddam Husain and seems to be able to finish his term without being brought to justice for his crimes against humanity!

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By SempreFi, December 30, 2006 at 8:27 pm Link to this comment
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Hondo, you are the biggest idiot who posts on this site.  I can’t understand why the moderator even allows your poison gibberish to persist.  Two pieces of advice: 1:  Shut the F%$# up.  2:  Learn something about the world - may I suggest a stint in Bagdad?  I think you need some exposure beyond your mall and big-box church.

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By Moe Hare, December 30, 2006 at 8:22 pm Link to this comment
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“I’ve spent a lot of time agitating you wacky liberals on this site, partly because it’s so easy (most of you aren’t very smart) and partly because I just get a kick out of it. The comments I’m writing now don’t fall into those categories. Now I’m just mad!”

HONDO IS MAD; SO WHAT!

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By Jackie T. Gabel, December 30, 2006 at 8:15 pm Link to this comment
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RE: Comment #44517 by ben on 12/30 at 10:57 am — “Amid all the hand-wringing by ya’ll on the left, has anyone noticed that Al Jazeera, the purveyor of videotaped beheadings, does NOT have a link to the video of Saddam’s hanging? http://english.aljazeera.net/

>>>>> “hand-wringing”(?) - make room for amateur-hour, straw men — was an “action”  video released?

“Hours after Saddam faced the same fate he was accused of inflicting on countless thousands during a quarter-century of ruthless power, Iraqi state television showed grainy video of what it said was his body, the head uncovered and the neck twisted at a sharp angle.” http://www.infowars.com/articles/iraq/saddam_executed_in_baghdad.htm

>>>>> as per this report, a “still” postmortem video is all that was broadcast

As for Al Jazeera, the purveyor of videotaped beheadings, it’s getting pretty obvious that Al Jazeera is doing a great job of inflaming the “War of Civilizations” from all sides, promoting the myth of “Islamo-Fascism” and contributing to the general destabilization of the entire region which will undoubtedly lead to even more “Failed States” and open doors for even easier manipulation by the “New World Oligarchy.” Anyone whose carefully analyzed the “War of Terror” understands that Al CIA-duh’s best publicist is Al JeCIAra.

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By Spinoza, December 30, 2006 at 7:42 pm Link to this comment
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The Black Bull died today

By Mirza Yawar Baig

12/30/06 “Information Clearing House”——They did it. They gave this Ummah a sacrifice on the day of Eid ul Adha. What an unforgettable Eid!! A human sacrifice. Not a sheep or goat. What a message!! Wow!! What a powerful message that I am sure has shaken all the thrones of the puppets who are watching the events. Poor puppets!!
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This article reflects a good deal of the Third Worlds thinking. Time to prepare for revolution.
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http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article16019.htm

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By Hondo, December 30, 2006 at 5:54 pm Link to this comment
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I’ve spent a lot of time agitating you wacky liberals on this site, partly because it’s so easy (most of you aren’t very smart) and partly because I just get a kick out of it. The comments I’m writing now don’t fall into those categories. Now I’m just mad!
You people make me sick! Saddam was the very personification of evil. He murdered, tortured, raped and oppressed the people of Iraq in a way that takes the breath away from all right-thinking people. In the history of the world, the list of people more evil than Saddam Hussein would make a very short list indeed, yet you soulless, feckless, morally bankrupt liberals mourn him! You call him a victim! You say that the Bush administration is more evil than Saddam! You even go so far as to say that Saddam was executed to silence him as he sought to expose American war crimes! What can be said to people who are as insane as you people are? Are there any limits whatsoever to your irresponsible lunacy? Are you all so completely psychotic that you are unable to comprehend reality? Is your hate for Pres. Bush so virulent that it has burned up your souls? Do you so hate America that you are unwilling and unable to recognize the evil and the wickedness that exists in other parts of the world? Are all of you so thoroughly ignorant that you are unable and unwilling to appreciate the great freedoms you have been blessed with in this great nation of ours? Apparently so!
Take a look at the following links:

http://www.sciri.btinternet.co.uk/English/Saddam_Crimes/saddam_crimes.html

http://www.fas.org/news/iraq/2000/02/iraq99.htm

http://www.heritage.org/Research/InternationalOrganizations/bg1772.cfm

I have absolutely no hope that any of the facts contained in any of these links will change any of your opinions. Most of you are so ignorant and psychotic that it’s painful, and your condition makes you oblivious to truth. However, I find that I have a real need to see something that is actually truthful on a website called Truthdig, so I provide these facts.
What will be the result of my comments here? Most of you will respond with profanity, you will call me dirty names, and you will spin yarns about fantastic conspiracies and nefarious evil-doing in the Bush White House. You will question my ancestry, but you won’t even attempt to refute the facts that I have presented. Why? Because you can’t. But there will be one indisputable outcome of all this. After all of you spew your ugly, hateful bile, and you falsely accuse Pres. Bush of all kinds of crimes, you will continue to go on about your miserable existences with absolutely no reprisals from the government. Isn’t this the greatest country on earth? You can call Pres. Bush everything but a child of God, and he will ignore you. Thank God we don’t live in a radical Islam nation! You morons would be the first ones shot! May God have mercy on your twisted, pathetic souls!

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By robert chadwick, December 30, 2006 at 5:21 pm Link to this comment
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We know who the real villains of the peace are so what does it say for the rank and file who allow these miscreants to remain in power.
The fall of the great American Empire is at hand,
GWB is doing a fine job overseeing its destruction.
What will it take for the population of this country to rise and demand the criminals in this administration be brought to trial. Fudamentalism
is alive and kicking in the USA and these hypocrites in the name of the Lord proffess indignity.
What a fabulous destabilization job GWB and his cronies have acomplished at the behest of the Major Corporations.
Shame on all of us whose apathy knows no bounds
and whose words are hollow at best.

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By antwoine, December 30, 2006 at 4:58 pm Link to this comment
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So many words written here. So much disdain for pros and cons of all that has come to pass. People are still dying. The powers that be are still in power. Justice has never prevailed for anyone involved in politics and foreign affairs. Hate fuels all these autrocities. Our leaders tell us how the world hates our freedoms, so the dummies here turn around and hate the rest of the world while being stabbed in the back by thos same leaders. How will you react when the truth about 9/11 is exposed and the US government is implicated? Will that make any of you angry enough to get off your asses, step away from the blogs, step towards the White House, storm the Capitol and take back this country with all your might????? NONE OF YOU ON HERE ARE ANGRY ENOUGH!!!!!! The Iraquis who kill because their soul demands justice…..is angry. You have nothing to worry about here, because Democrats will not start killing Republicans, and the Have Nots will not start killing the Haves…....they are all at odds over a great many things, but they are not angry enough to kill, just apathetic enough to get by to the next day and so on….....
As for Saddam…..if the people were truly angry about his actions within their country…. they would have revolted and started a civil war without help from anyone. Once the civil unrest boiled over into a civil war, then you would have seen outside entities get involved to assist one side or the other. Those who boast there is no love lost for the man would first have to know the man, but the closest they can get to him is what they see on the news. Go figure. Hate is a strong word, and brings out the ultimate worse from within. Hate born of ignorance will lead to hell on earth. That is how it is now for the countries we have invaded and continue to rock their foundations with bullets and bombs. Al Sadr is a product of past wars that resemble this war he is now a part of. Bin Laden is a product of the same situation between Aphganistan and Russia with the training of our CIA, and we trained him so well we can not even find him.
Fear has won the majority of our civilization. It has always been around, and it is easier to use it a a crutch or a wall to hide behind when the right decisions need to be made, but people are afraid to be the first one to do what is right. Justice can never be achieved when carried out by unjust people, unjust societes, unjust countries…..unjust men and women.

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By mite, December 30, 2006 at 4:43 pm Link to this comment
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As this act of treason enters its 7th year, the money maker-tyrants, continue their genocide through out the world one place makes a statement against one group of conspiritors finally.

In April, 2003 ‘The Church of Nativity’ decided to ban Tony Blair, President Bush, Donald Rumsfeld, and Jack Straw from the birthplace of “Jesus Christ”. http://www.globalresearch.ca

Of utmost significance , the U.S. Media has not reported this story. Hmm!

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By A.W. of Freespeech.com, December 30, 2006 at 4:05 pm Link to this comment
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So, um…  Iraqi justice is not good enough.  He had a trial, a chance to defend himself, a judge far more tolerant of Saddam’s antics than an American judge is likely to be of an ordinery defendant.  And an appeal.  All, to convict him of something we all knew he did, anyway.

I can’t help but be left with the feeling that its because “dirty arabs” are running the trial that you reflexively denegrate it.

Whatever.

One less evil man walks the earth.  Can’t you just celebrate that?

Btw, if Saddam knew anything about the bushes, why didn’t he tell his buddy ramsey clarke?  Especially when he knew he was about to die?

But then again, logic is not one of the strong suits of you conspiracy nutters, is it?

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By Lorenzo, December 30, 2006 at 3:43 pm Link to this comment
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Re: Comment # 44395/ hitnrun
I wonder where people are coming up with figures like 500,000 bodies in mass graves “plus god knows how many more”.  If you search for the actual numbers of documented body count from mass graves in Iraq the numbers are consistently about 10 times less than that figure.  That is part of the same hype that said Saddam had something to do with 9/11 & WMD etc., etc.  All spin by the gang of the Dear Cheerleader.  No doubt Saddam’s regime offed & disposed of lots of people (that goes with being a thug) but lets also remember that he had plenty of resource and encouragement from the US in order to do his nasty business.

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By John, December 30, 2006 at 3:23 pm Link to this comment
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The issue is clear, the means are justified. What man sew, that so shall he also reap. Words written down over 2000 years ago still ring out as clear as if they were just spoken for the first time. Also we must also understand that it is a terrible thing to fall into the hands of an agry God! One step into eternity, one must answer to God for our deeds played out on earth. Yes justice has been served however, God will administer his justice that no man could ever begin to imagine!

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By WMWoodward, December 30, 2006 at 3:22 pm Link to this comment
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Life is mostly full of grey with little black and white.  There is so much evil and corruption that American presidents commit behind the curtains of the political landscape that, if truth be known of the criminal/unlawful activities that they do commit, every American would be so outraged from it that we would revolt on the streets and demand a third political party.

Saddam Hussein was a murderer to be sure, however, we have presidents in America who have been involved in the assassination and/or removal of leaders within and outside America, along with unlawful collusion with corrupt, greedy, wealthy individuals who are heads of family dynasties of wealth.  The details of that will not be disclosed until after the death of those who have blood on their hands. That it is now 40+ years after the fall of Hitler and still the vast majority of people do not know that Prescott Bush (grandfather to George W. Bush) was involved in the financing of the Nazi regime, is a testimony to both the ignorance of Americans overall and to the power of the privileged who have control over the American media and publishing industries.  Go to http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm.  Watch the DVD, The Corporation: The Pathological Pursuit of Profit and Power, to learn about how this country has been taken over by the corporations who have been the financiers of our politicians for 90 years, but especially beginning with Reagan.  We will find out who ordered the assassination of John F. Kennedy only after one American president’s death.

Saddam Hussein was put into power in Iraq by the American government.  So the notion of “spreading democracy” to the Middle East is hypocritical, at best.  America has been responsible for placing numerous brutal dictators into power because they agree to do business with American corporations.  It gives America the ability to tap into other countries’ natural and mineral resources and allows for economic trade between the countries.

Before we jump hastily into placing all the blame onto these corrupt, avaricious politicians and the corporations and the men who head them, the American people need to look in the mirror.  Granted, we do not order someone to be assassinated, nor do we engage in criminal activities which make us culpable from a legal standpoint.  However, America has 5% of the world’s population, yet we are responsible for 25% of the world’s carbon emissions.  Americans are the most wasteful, consumption obsessed people on the planet.  We buy products that we don’t need and create so much waste that it would take 4 planets to sustain the level of our consumption and waste.  What does this have to do with Saddam Hussein?  Lots.  Corporations know that the more we buy, the more we shackle our own feet and create our own economic prison.  We become shackled to the corporations and dependent upon them because we overbuy.  And the corporations know that they must survive by selling more and more.  The American people have become so fat, dumb and apathetic, that most of us don’t vote.  Corporations LOVE THAT.  It creates a window for them to fund political campaigns and to, literally, buy their interests through the candidate that they put into office.  Then when their candidate is in office, they put pressure on them to pass legislation and to pressure other governments so that they will open their doors to American corporations to do business in that country.  Corporations don’t give ONE WHIT about people except to the extent that they either purchase their products or services or they can be exploited for labor to create the products they want to sell.

Saddam’s death should be an ambiguous event that is likely to have been rigged by the criminals who placed him in power.  His death marks the end of one evil criminal in the Middle East, yet we have evil criminals in America and Israel who are hiding behind a facade of righteousness to hide their own murderous atrocities.

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By nlcatter, December 30, 2006 at 3:06 pm Link to this comment
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Fair trial?  when your attorney is killed

by the government

that is not FAIR YOU MORONS

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By Sheriff Ali, December 30, 2006 at 2:53 pm Link to this comment
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DICTATOR HUNG BY A DICTATOR”

The American High Priest and Dictator, George W. Bush, coordinated with the Iraqi Julius Caesar, Prime Minister Nuri Kamal Al-Maliki and his American Roman Government, and hung the Bushs’ nemesis, Saddam Hussein, at the inception of the Muslim holiday, Id al-Adha which began on Saturday for Sunnis and on Sunday for Shiites. (Iraqi law indicates that executions were forbidden on the Id al-Adha holiday)

Sanctioned by the Iraqi American Puppet Government – this is another slap in the face to all Muslims by George W. Bush and his American and Iraqi Myrmidons. In President Bush’s statement released after Saddam Hussein’s execution Mr. Bush said; “The former Iraqi Dictator was executed after receiving a fair trial.” I believe that if “fair and justice” jumped up and bit Mr. Bush in the ass, he would not know it; would not feel it; could not conceptualize it, because he is still walking around in a paroxysm from his forty years of drinking.

If Mr. Bush and his administration along with his puppeteer Iraqi Government were sincere and honest about the plight of the Iraqi people, they would have sent Saddam Hussein to the International Tribunal in the Hague, rather than exploit the “dog and pony show” by the American trumped up, propped up, Iraqi Junta – a pack of parasites whose decision formed a carcinosarcoma along with a “pararosaniline.”

December 13, 2006 was three years since Saddam Hussein was captured and irrespective if you are blind, deaf and dumb, you “still can see,” the “Hell Hole” Iraq has become, going on four years after George Bush’s and Tony Blair’s invasion of Iraq.

For those who would expel me in hell with Saddam Hussein whilst wondering why so many Muslims hate us, remember this, I was born and raised under British rule, and also, I am sensitive to other people’s feelings. This is the month of Hajj and some three million pilgrims are participating in this special annual spiritual event, which for a Muslim, there is no higher earthly religious ceremony. Thus the rhetorical question is; why did the execution have to take place at 6:05AM Baghdad time, the inception of Id al-Adha? If Bush and his Iraqi cronies was so hell bent on hanging Saddam Hussein, why couldn’t it wait until the end of Id al-Adha, which is Thursday January 4th?

Written by Sheriff Ali December 30, 2006

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By shhazam4, December 30, 2006 at 2:40 pm Link to this comment
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Agree with Scheer that Saddam’s trial could have been better conducted; but, its just a continuation of the Bush bumbling. Saddam could have been brought down without all the loss of US blood, US money or US credibility; e.g., the removal of Milsovic and the subduing of Qadaffi were both done in manner which didn’t significantly hurt their opponents.

We want our elected leaders to be more intelligent than us, not less.

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By vonryansexpress, December 30, 2006 at 2:03 pm Link to this comment
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X-Posted @ HuffPO.

Rewriting history Mr. Scheer?  When Iran and Saddam were sending thousands to their deaths in the early 1980’s, Saddam choose to bolt his unitary relationship with the Soviet Union as a client state for a rapprochement with the U.S.

No thinking individual in America rejected this at the time.  Iran was refusing to quit the conflict though it had Saddam bogged down in a war of attrition reminiscent of the last two years of the Great War and the war between the cities had become as ghastly as the blitz of W.W. II.

The United States attempted pursuant to national interest to wean a Soviet Client State from a twenty year relationship with our then rival ‘superpower.’

We did not sell them gas; we did not give them the reactor at Osirk.

We attempted to have influence at the same time that we sought to do the same in Ethiopia and Somalia.  We did what a great nation does; we tried to influence events to our benefit.

Additionally, a bit of legal education goes a long way.  The trial conducted was by all accounts of the western experts that tutored the fledgling Iraqi judicial system a proper court process.  Witnesses were called, rebutted, evidence adduced, examined, defenses allowed and cross-examination made available.  That the defense refused to take part in the ground-pounding part of the work and chose to waste their resources opposing the tribunal was a strategy that played to the day but not the hour.

Your characterization of summary execution is absurd.  The killing of two members of the original defense team was murder but by whom remains unknown.  The defense recessed and then continued with a flawed strategy for their belligerent client.

You might read Rebecca West’s seminal work on Nuremburg, “A Train of Powder,” (1955,) as you begin to focus on a ‘Humanity and Illegal War,’ trial.  After all, Nuremburg was conducted by the victors not the victims as was done here.

The standards of Nuremberg were met here.

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By Ralph, December 30, 2006 at 1:41 pm Link to this comment
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Your ‘justice’ is a comedy.  A joke.  A poor facsimile of the real thing.  An entertainment to deceive.  A thin veil behind which to hide the hate, lies and revenge in your hearts.

Of course he couldn’t have a fair trial; you couldn’t risk all the grubby little details of your schemes to be exposed.

But we see through you.  Your secret torture camps; your wanton destruction; your disregard for life; your ‘democracy’ in drag.

Your founding father’s turn in their graves.

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By Lorenzo, December 30, 2006 at 1:39 pm Link to this comment
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Thanks to Robert Scheer for at least asking the questions.  Any one paying the slightest attention to the trial of Saddam understands that is was fraught with problems from the very beginning and if such a proceeding were to be held in this country a mis-trial would have been declared.  What is the very apt expression, the motto of the Commonwealth of Virginia (?) “sic semper tyrannis”, “thus always to tyrannts”.  Yes, Saddam was destined to be strung up but it is unfortunate that the vehicle to do it was a bogus show trial devoid of the most basic rules of justice.  How ironic that he met his end while the flags of the US are all at half mast.

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By Dale, December 30, 2006 at 1:35 pm Link to this comment
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....and the killing continues and will continue long into the future with all of the blood on Bush’s hands. When will we try this mass murderer?

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By Jack, December 30, 2006 at 1:24 pm Link to this comment
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So much to be disturbed about when it comes to this event.  But for me the most disturbing moments at the end of a war or after an execution are the celebrations.  An Iraqi gentleman, whose name I missed, was being interviewed by Anderson Cooper on CNN.  He said all he could think about were the victims of Saddam.  The aftermath of a war or execution can be a relief.  But I don’t believe it is a time for celebration.  War and executions are failures of humanity.  Nobody came back from the dead.  It is a time for solemn remembrance—an apology to those who were lost.

Just for the record I would have preferred that he had been tried for the Kurd murders and then either executed or locked away.  To kill him after this trial reeks of favoritism to only one sect whether it was intended that way or not.

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By Ted, December 30, 2006 at 1:00 pm Link to this comment
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I agree with the article that it was important in the eyes of the U.S. government to dispatch Saddam to the nether world earlier rather than later because of the goods that Saddam might have spilled if the trial would have been held in The Hague.  The U.S. was merely following its foreign policy patterns of the past, use a dictator as long as possible, when he sours and goes bad on, dispatch him.

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By Gary Maxwell, December 30, 2006 at 12:42 pm Link to this comment
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Saddam is no loss to the world, but his supporters should also go to trial.  Donald Rumsfeld helped Saddam kill people by providing him weapons and political support and so he should also stand trail for his crimes.

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By Jackie T. Gabel, December 30, 2006 at 12:27 pm Link to this comment
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V is for Vengeance — Remember, remember the 5th of November.

Virtually everything the New World Oligarchy does is for show. If it’s not on MSM TV, you’re not supposed to see it, hear it, read it, learn it, think it — indeed, up your meds, lest the matrix be broken.

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By Daniel DiRito, December 30, 2006 at 12:04 pm Link to this comment
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To view a cynical and sarcastic visual of George Bush playing a round of “Hangman”...link here:

[url=http://www.thoughttheater.com]http://www.thoughttheater.com[/url]

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By ben, December 30, 2006 at 11:57 am Link to this comment
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Amid all the hand-wringing by ya’ll on the left, has anyone noticed that Al Jazeera, the purveyor of videotaped beheadings, does NOT have a link to the video of Saddam’s hanging?
http://english.aljazeera.net/

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By rae2, December 30, 2006 at 11:56 am Link to this comment
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The premeditated killing of ANY person, BY any person or “authority” is MURDER in the FIRST DEGREE. The act DEGRADES us all.

As several posters have stated before me, the hangings of Hussein et al are acts of REVENGE & VENGEANCE.

State sanctioned murdering of the “bad guys” solves NOTHING and certainly doesn’t deter or prevent such atrocities from happening again. If it did, the great state of Texas would be CRIME FREE by now!

Perhaps if the death penalty did deter future crimes a legitimate argument could be made in support of it. But murderous dictatorships and murderous people continue on in spite of the penalties imposed on miscreants who’ve gone before.

We, the “good guys” continue to impose penalties that don’t resolve the problem. And we call the “bad guys” stupid! If the situation wasn’t so mind-numbingly idiotic it would be laughable.

A far more onerous penalty for Hussein et al would have been banishment for life from all contact with other humans. No radio or TV. No music. No reading or writing materials. No phone or internet. No visits from anyone, including family. And NEVER even a chance for any kind of parole. They likely would go mad, but, of course, they’re already mad. Inhuman treatment? Not for INhumans!

I call this justice… when you can’t live in a society without being a threat to others, then removal, not death, is the only civilized action to be taken. Even aboriginal tribes 10,000 years ago knew this and practised banishment. Somehow we think we’re far more sophisticated and to show it, we commit murder.

I so wish I could renounced my membership in the human race. Collectively we are disgusting… and profoundly stupid.

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By Avinash, December 30, 2006 at 11:52 am Link to this comment
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The trial was not a fair one. Saddam should have been tried in the International Court of Justice at Hague and not a Court that is a puppet of the US administration.

Is Bush willing to face trial for the death of 600000 Iraqis in the name of war. All we can now pray and wait for is a harsher death for George Bush. He should not and will not rest in peace.

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By Quy Tran, December 30, 2006 at 11:47 am Link to this comment
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Saying of Mr. Saddam Hussein’s death, King George clearly declared it was “a milestone”.

For what ? or it was just a bell that told the end of his dynasty ?

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By Arun, December 30, 2006 at 11:32 am Link to this comment
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You know whatever we are saying here doesn’t mean anything. Bush will keep doing whatever he wants, with support of both parties, and we will be whining like our parents were during philipines, vietnam, other wars.
It says that we all are nothing other than slaves with no strength to rise up against our oppresive rulers.
It says that we are all hypocrites because we contribute to the U.S economy that our govt. uses to murder hundreds of thousands of innocent people all around the world, in the name of democracy.
It says that we are nothing less than generations of FOOLS who has been manipulated for last 60 years in the name of GREAT Amercian dream, because we allowed then to do so.
It also says that our(american public) existence means nothing. We are like insects who have only ambition, to be born(chance), eat, produce and die. Not only that, also help evil people to ruin the humanity while working for them.
We morons !

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By Quy Tran, December 30, 2006 at 11:24 am Link to this comment
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Bush & his Co. are satisfied with this big VICTORY. They need to murder more and more to become NEW HEROS of blood drinkers.

There’s absolutely no JUSTICE with revenge and
revenge is only for BARBARIANS !

Viva Bush and his Criminal, Sordid dynasty.

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By Sharon Ash, December 30, 2006 at 11:21 am Link to this comment
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The actions of Saddam are indefensible.  The actions of my country against Iraq and its people, are indefensible.  Two wrongs never make a right.  Therefore, his death is a very hollow victory compared to the loss to my country of our precious children sent to fight a war based on lies and manipulated information.  It is a very hollow victory compared to the billions of dollars wasted on this illegal and immoral war.  It is a very hollow victory compared to the respect my country has lost worldwide.  In the process of killing Saddam, my country killed so much of the soul of our nation.  I have no tears for Saddam.  I weep for the United States.

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By Winston Smith, December 30, 2006 at 11:16 am Link to this comment
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21 Democratic Senators voted against the Iraq use of force resolution, cynically and politically put before Congress the month before the 2002 midterm elections. Stop the killing and the lies.

The soldiers are fighting and dying for the illegal invasion and destruction of a nation that was not a threat to the US. Saddam, like Manuel Noreiga of Panama, was a local gangster who stopped doing what he was told by his Godfathers in the US government.

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By Purple Avenger, December 30, 2006 at 11:08 am Link to this comment
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We have the largest percentage of poor and <u>undecuated</u> in the “first world,”

Do you suppose this might correlate with how much of the US’s population is immigrants? 

Whatever…we all seem to be mostly happy since we’re not offing ourselves anywhere near the European suicide rates.

Why do yo suppose that is?  What are we doing wrong?  What can we do to get those suicide rates up to spec?  There must be something we can do to depress this overly enthusiastic population.

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By nick, December 30, 2006 at 11:07 am Link to this comment
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you supporting the shiite Theocracy

are no better than the Taliban

and you also support Bush’ “Crusade”

so you too are responsible for deaths of thousand of Babies in Iraq

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By david, December 30, 2006 at 11:07 am Link to this comment
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I agree with everything said by scheer - and by juan cole - but would add:

staging this grotesque and blatantly tribally motivated farce instead of a real trial does nothing to open the door wider to proceedings against Bush & Co.
(and numberless other world leaders who have abused their power to violate human rights at home & abroad.)

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By Dean Pettit, December 30, 2006 at 11:03 am Link to this comment
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Does this mean that the United States now agrees with an international system of justice?  And are our own citizens who contribute to lethal injustice to be tried in the future?  And what country/counries are in charge of catching and trying other citizens of other countries who have killed, etc.  Is this just a beginning?  Who is next?  How about trying next those who have begun a war killing a half a million people?  Can I volunteer to be on the jury?  Just asking.

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By G. Anderson, December 30, 2006 at 10:56 am Link to this comment
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The Death of Saddam, now a harmless old man, benefited no one. It gave justice to no one, nor did it bring back the lives of those he killed.

Nor will it satisfy those who thirst for more blood.

He could have spent the rest of his life in a jail cell, without harming anyone.

Without Mercy, there will be no peace, only more violence and blood shed.

Don’t ever believe for an instant, because you feel safe, you are beyond some one else’s judgement for what has been done.

In this world there is no guarntee of safety any more.

Political Power, can be fleeting and illusory, and some day the perpetrators of this may also be on trial, by another regime bent on revenge.

I wonder if these executions will be on T.V. as well?

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By Polly Ester, December 30, 2006 at 10:46 am Link to this comment
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”The fact is that Saddam Hussein knew a great deal about the United States’ role in Iraq, including deals made with Bush’s father. This rush to execute him had the feel of a gangster silencing the key witness to a crime.”

Foreign policy is gangster warfare; a grubby fight over resources—-Hussein’s execution was a warning to all “our” puppets around the world; to comply or die.

Iraq is the result of international gangland violence—600,000 Iraqi civilians’ dead, 3,000 American troops killed, a country in chaos, and now a ghoulish execution.

And let’s not forget “drug run” Afghanistan—where any mobster would feel at home.

As for the Nazis, we know that our space program was significantly shaped by Nazi scientists, and other Nazis were protected, in the United States. http://www.archives.gov/iwg/research-papers/weitzman-remarks-june-1999.html

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By Humanity, December 30, 2006 at 10:18 am Link to this comment
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This is not humane, what he did also was not humane, what the BUSH and our government did and is doing is not humane.  What the CIA did in the eighties to use him to kill other leaders in the middle east then wanted revenge on him because he didn’t turn around and handed them Iraq was not humane.  The murders that he was on trial for was backed by our CIA this is why he had to go fast and now we have what we wanted 30 years ago ..IRAQ oil.  This is not humane.
but we only see justice in Saddams murder, and our leaders are glorified, this IS NOT humane.  We have parades after we slaugter a country this is not humane.

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By Socrates, December 30, 2006 at 10:17 am Link to this comment
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I don’t really know much about the trial, and I don’t think many others commenting here really do either. In detail, it was probably boring as hell, which is why few of us really probed into it in greater detail (and the press covered little of it). Bob is right that what we did hear about it was disturbing, and difficult to be called a civilized trial by any stretch of the imagination. How many judges were there in this trial? How many participants killed? How many people threatened and scared off? How many Saddam tantrums and threatened hunger strikes? Why was the charge they decided to pursue so narrow and targeted? Why did they ignore his many other crimes worthy of severe punishment? If they didn’t want to try him, why didn’t they at least seek an inquest?

And I don’t think asking such questions is aiding the enemy, but rather it is utilizing a peculiar trait of human beings called “reason” that some posting here might want to explore a bit further. Those who continued to vote for clearly inept leadership two years gone (as one post mentioned) are probably aiding the enemy more than anyone else.

I do understand that some Iraqis will respond more sincerely to the closure that this provides. But there are a great number of reasons to think that this event will only inflame matters further. For example, the Shia don’t have to fear the (albeit remote, but in their minds possible) return of Saddam, and their more militant wing might be encouraged along by this event. The Sunni have to be thinking they are completely screwed at this point, so what do they have to lose? So I see a lot of potential negatives that could result…time will tell, as it has already done many times in Iraq when we thought some key event would possibly be a new wellspring of hope.

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By HeadlessHessian, December 30, 2006 at 10:16 am Link to this comment
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Hooded men executing someone in the shadows.  How is that different than the beheadings of the not too distant past, Iraq? 

The speed by which this was announced and carried out is suspect, but what would you expect from an Iraq influenced by the ex-governor of Texas, where the death penalty was carried out 131 times during the Deciders reign.  But of course he would rather “err on the side of life”, as he proclaimed with Schivo!  Hypocrite!
Calls himself a christian!!!  What an insult.

As with the secret prisons, stolen elections, spying on citizens, torture, corruption, lies, we have reached yet another low.  Proxy murder!!  Thank you Mr. Uniter, Mr. Decider, you have put this country in a moral and financial hole that will take generations to overcome, if ever.


Headless

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By Rodney Matthews, December 30, 2006 at 10:15 am Link to this comment
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Hanging next to Saddam should have been two Bushes,a Dick, a Don, a Colon,some Rice,a WOLF-O Witz, a Pearle,and numerous others. I’m sure the two Bushes killed more Iraqis than Saddam. When will these folks be held accountable? We are judge,jury,and excutioner in the form of a kangeroo court. Why wasn’t Saddam given a fair trial on the international stage? Because he knew too much. He knew about the shady dealings with the U.S that involved Reagan,Bush Sr,and Rumfeld. How and who supplied him with chemical and biological weapons. Which U.S companies were involved in the oil for food program. As the saying goes, silence is golden. Dead men tell on tales.  So the U.S with little credibility and morality,have even less,if that is possible. The truth about what really went on in Iraq will be buried along with Saddam. And the people responsible with suppling Saddam with WMD’S, The ones who refused to allow inspectors look for the WMD’S they supplies Saddam with, the people who illegally and immorally invaded a sovergn nation based on lies, fear,and deceptions are the same ones who used those lies, fears and deceptions to silence critics here, and MURDER to silence it’s number one critic abroad. At this point in history we are no better than the man “hanging around” in Bagdad.

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By ww, December 30, 2006 at 10:05 am Link to this comment
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memories of Saddam:

http://www.bushflash.com/thanks.html

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Thou shalt not kill.

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By mite, December 30, 2006 at 9:58 am Link to this comment
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It all started in 1983. Under the Regan-Bush treason administration. Saddam knew a lot of sh*t about these traitors and include some members of Congress.

If one reads history and researches this country’s Presidents you will find 98% of our Executive Branch Officers are members of Council on Foreign Relations, Tri-Laterial Commission, Bilderbergs, or recieve orders from them.

No one becomes President unless approved by these individuals. You keep thinking or more like feeling you have a voice in this government.

http://www.lawfulpath.com ‘Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars’

Robert knows what I am writing is truth.

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By Al Wright, December 30, 2006 at 9:38 am Link to this comment
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It is good that Saddam is gone, but is the world really better for it?

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By EEprom, December 30, 2006 at 9:35 am Link to this comment
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“The fact is that Saddam was tried by a court in his own country under a constitution ratified by a majority of voters in the county, found guilty of killing 143 people who never had the benefit of a trial much less a hearing. Saddam was a mad man, a mass murdered surpassed by only a very few other mad men. He is dead and the world is better for it.”

Couldn’t have said it any better myself…he was tried and found guilty by a justice system in his own country and summararily dispatched by that same system…couldn’t happen to a more dispicable person. (Imaganine that…no 15 - 20 years of appeals)

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By Charles Bird, December 30, 2006 at 9:29 am Link to this comment
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Since the premise in your first sentence is a lie, Bob, you pretty much started at the bottom and went lower.  The Iraqi government is internationally recognized, including by the UN, and Saddam was tried in an Iraqi court under Iraqi law.  Saddam appealed and failed, and justice was dealt swiftly.  The case against him was air tight, and there is no statute of limitations on mass murder.  The only lament is that it cost the U.S. and Iraq so much to bring Saddam to this conclusion.  This from a commenter who opposes the death penalty.

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By Stanley, December 30, 2006 at 9:27 am Link to this comment
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And so it goes.  Some day, I hope in the not too distant future, some day we will learn that violence begets violence.  Jesus said that in his Sermon on the Mount.  Jesus said it, and Bush said Jesus is his most important teacher. Bush really did say that. But he must have been kidding.  “Bring them on”, and “shock and awe” and the “axis of Evil” are more to Bush’s liking.  Perhaps our next president won’t be so simple minded.  I hope so.

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By steve, December 30, 2006 at 9:24 am Link to this comment
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If you check history this article is 100% accurate.
Those of you that disagree are saying that it was ok for our country to invade Iraq killing well over 400,000 innocent civilians to remove a leader who killed innocent civilians.Not to mention a leader in power with our blessing .You morons need to keep your opinions to yourself if you’re not going to have the decency to inform yourselves.Because intelligent people are laughing at your ignorance.

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By Murdock, December 30, 2006 at 9:15 am Link to this comment
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Those questioning the patriotism of this author are doing a huge disservice to the troops you support with your little ribbons. While I’m sure the little ribbons on your SUV help over there, most soldiers are in Iraq under ther misguided notion that they are bringing freedom and democracy to the region.
  Certainly there was enough evidence to convict Saddam in a legitimate trial. So why not show the world we practice what we preach?
  To the moron who posted the author was aiding the enemy; Goebbels used that same tired tactic. I am willing to bet you know veryt little about your leaders. Now get your dumbass over to Iraq and fight for “freedom.”  Thanks.

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By Lefty, December 30, 2006 at 9:12 am Link to this comment
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First Hussein! 

Next Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rove and Libby, madmen, torturers and mass murderers all, and the true enemies of the entire world!

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By sns, December 30, 2006 at 8:53 am Link to this comment
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PS hitnrun: re: “Was the gassing of the Kurds circumstantial evidence?”  Depends how YOU were to define/run YOUR court.  Would you care who sold the gas and/or enabled the purchasing of said gas?

“That 500,000 corpses just in the major pits plus God knows how many undiscovered victims were unrelated to…“How many innocent Iraqis have been murdered in this unjust war?  Under whose rule now?

Perhaps we should not enable the crooks buy NOT purchasing any of their products and/or services by 23 degrees of separation and now that’d be a great revolt and/or we’d be buying practically nothing…..

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By sns, December 30, 2006 at 8:42 am Link to this comment
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hitnrun:  “but alas they are too busy eating junk watching big teevees content AND/or too busy struggling” 

Elections between whom and whom?  AND/or how we fare when the elections are stolen and/or rigged and/or candidates that are in the pockets of big teevee and/or bomb corps? 

And/or if you read the word “revolt” your meaning of the intention is yours and yours only—perhaps you were thinking of the meaning in terms of our constitution: right to speedy trial AND/OR citizens right to bear arms and/or right to choose Prez and/or to revolt if said government no longer represents said citizens.  Perhaps I meant it that way.  Perhaps not.

And who exactly was elected and from what choices?  It’s sad how presumptuous and quick to insult with a generic label one may be…kind of echoes on a petty scale our very own problems in this great land of ours sans the hangings and invasions and rigged democratic processes.  Labels are a funny thing…and potentially dangerous.  (And No I didn’t mean brand name labels, Or did i?)

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By Martijn, December 30, 2006 at 8:39 am Link to this comment
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@Terry Gain who wrote:
“Stop twisting the facts. You are aiding the enemy.”

So if a person is calling for a fair trial and regrets that no real investigation has been done in the involvement of Western Goverments (especially US) of helping Saddam Hussein to maintain his dictatorial regime you are aiding the enemy?

Calling for justice is aiding the enemy?????

You truly must have been brainwashed by fox news and still believe that Saddam had WMD and was involved in 9/11.

I pity you and will pray for your soul but I am afraid that that has already been lost.

Was Saddam guilty of terrible crimes and should he pay for that? Of course, beyond a shadow of a doubt but he should have received his sentence after a fair and balanced trial because the measure of a civilization is not how it treats it most upstanding citizens but the most evil one’s.

And that is something the US and his allies understood after WOII. Unfortunately, the US now has slidden down the slope of justice to the level of a “Banana republic”.

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By Kellina, December 30, 2006 at 8:32 am Link to this comment
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Robert, you are too right.

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By DennisD, December 30, 2006 at 8:27 am Link to this comment
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NOT one American life or dollar spent for the war, show trial and inevitable result has been worth it. It’s sad that the people that got us into this mess and are keeping us there will never get to answer for their actions in the same way.

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By LibertyWatch, December 30, 2006 at 8:25 am Link to this comment
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I have to agree with Mr Scheer, the world had a much greater sense of justice and looked for all the details from the Nazi War Criminals after WWII. The expedited execution of Saddam Hussein seems to be a “matter of convenience” for the Bush administration as a media event and right wing-nut zeal for the New Year. Take the focus off the failed President and Republican leadership here in America and let them wave bodies on the screen of the glass tit to feed the shark pool of public ignorance. Makes me ask, “Is Capitol Punishment right or necessary in the 21st century?”

What might we have learned about our involvement in helping Iraq and Rumsfeld’s involvement many years ago. Or the Pentagons, or the CIA, etc etc etc ???

In closing I must ask do the Kurd’s, or the Marsh Arabs, feel that they have justice today? Since they have been denied a true and fair trial to seek out the truth as it is and not as it is in the Spin Cycle of military occupation under false pretensions? A sad day for humanity.

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By MARIO BELLO, December 30, 2006 at 8:19 am Link to this comment
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Okay who’s next? The great liberator W is on a roll. Will dictators and murderers in central Africa or south east Asia get a visit from our hanging Judge Roy Bean Bush to administer justice?

It is pathetic what this “compassionate conservative” has done for world peace. I am extremely disappointed in the naivety of the American people for allowing such a psychopath to even come close to being legitimately elected. Who was it that said you can never go wrong underestimating the stupidity of the American people?

As governor of Texas he proudly signed off on more executions then any of governor in the history of our country. Did my fellow Americans not see the interview he had when he was running against Gore; he giggled about a letter he got from the first woman to be executed in Texas, with his maniacal smirk he callously imitated the woman’s request, “please don’t kill me Mr. Bush” which he found quite humorous.

Thank goodness we now have Nancy to restrain this bloodthirsty killer.

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By Dr. T., December 30, 2006 at 8:18 am Link to this comment
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And what another strange coincidence that the execution was rushed through more or less to coincide with death number 3,000 of US troops in Iraq, which is sadly not too far off now.

Robert Scheer is right: the whole point about fair trials is not whether or not the defendant deserves one. If we start questioning that for anyone at all - Saddam or anyone else - then we are on the path to bringing back lynch mobs and summary vigilante “justice”. The point of a fair trial for Iraq would have been to demonstrate that there is now some sort of “rule of law” in the country. Obsviously there is not.

The farcical trial is proof that Iraq does not have a functioning civilised government and also proof that this US government - which sponsors and props up this Iraq government - is not interested in any norms of civilised government.

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By AL, December 30, 2006 at 8:13 am Link to this comment
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Wait for the reprisals, we will lose good men due to this and many Iraqi’s will pay with their lives.

Who killed more, Bush? bin Laden? Saddam?

Bush and Bunch are lucky they are safe in this country.

Where is bin Laden? Who??

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By jlt, December 30, 2006 at 7:57 am Link to this comment
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Mr Scheer is stating the facts, not twisting them.  And stating these facts to think about and spark debate is not “aiding the enemy.” That is ridiculous and typical of the arrogant and childish “with us or against us” rhetoric that was intended to prevent serious reflection and exactly what got us into this mess.  Grow up Terry Gain.

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By InTheNameOfHumanity, December 30, 2006 at 7:56 am Link to this comment
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What an absolute farce! They kill one man and 30 die in retaliation. What kind of civilized world do we live in?

I suppose Bush Sr., Cheney and Rumsfeld will sleep a lot better knowing their support of Saddam in the past will not be brought to light. I can just picture Little Georgie sitting in the Oval Office with his feet upon the desk smirking and twirling Saddam’s pistol. These are the leaders of a Democratic society? Lord help us all.

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By buck smith, December 30, 2006 at 7:06 am Link to this comment
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I don’t think you can call this a summary execution.  A court of Iraqis, part of a democratically electec, internationally reconginized government in Iraq, sentenced him to the death penalty.  Saddam got better justice than he gave.

And as for an international trial or appeals process, please!  What would that be, the ICC in Hague, which took so long to try Milosevitch he died before they ever even reached a verdict!

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By Adolf Eichmann, December 30, 2006 at 6:40 am Link to this comment
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This is the only solution for the dog that bites its master.

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By Frank, December 30, 2006 at 6:35 am Link to this comment
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The US did not try and execute Saddam. The Iraqi people did, as poster Kurt said.  I say good riddance.  The Iraqis now have some justice after decades of brutal crimes against them ands their children.

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By Michael OMarah, December 30, 2006 at 6:27 am Link to this comment
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I saw the headline this morning and was staggered.  Eight years ago, I thought as a nation we were reaching for a utopian society, one where life was valued above all else, freedoms were extrordinarily cherished, personal and governmental responcibilities were held high.

That has changed, and with Saddam’s execution, as a nation we have shown ourselves to be vindictive, petty, unthinking barbarians who want only what we want and would damn the world to get it.

I weep in shame and ask forgiveness for our leaders, and that they may be held to the same actions and consequences as we have held Saddam.

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By jacko, December 30, 2006 at 6:23 am Link to this comment
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Hey get over yourself Scheer. Good won and you lost!All your other hero’s are dead or dying, Che,Pol Pot,Ho Chi Min, Kim Jung Il’s dad, Saddam,Stalin,. It’s funny to hear limosine liberals whine.Go get on your yacht and open a bottle of whine and prepare your next lecture to the unwashed masses about how we have to do more for the poor, while you meet with your tax lawers

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By Stephen Fournier, December 30, 2006 at 6:13 am Link to this comment
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Some observers are taking heart from the execution of Saddam Hussein, not so much because they crave justice for the crimes Hussein committed—his victims were of little concern to anyone living today—as because this event sets a precedent that must comfort dissidents and subversives worldwide.  A head of state has been put to death—something that hasn’t happened much lately—and if one head of state can be so treated, any head of state can.

It’s difficult to name a 21st Century head of state who doesn’t deserve to swing at the end of a rope.  If they’re not killing poor people directly, they’re imposing policies that make it possible for rich people to consume poor people with impunity.  Our own leader kills with bombs and bullets, and he’s not embarrassed to admit it.  I tell my pacifist friends that he’ll swing some day, and won’t they be happy we have a death penalty then?  They always shake their heads, but they’ll probably be dancing in the streets when the day comes.

When that day comes, I won’t be happy.  The image of Bush and Cheney hanging upside down from adjoining lampposts is a start, but it doesn’t satisfy.  I want retribution from the people who made those men our leaders.  The ordinary Americans who wear the flag in their lapel and say prayers for victory.  I want to pack them off a hundred at a time in C-130 aircraft and drop them off at Baghdad airport to fight their enemies personally.  I’d let them buy their own rifles when they get there.  Or maybe find something else to do.

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By A Khokar, December 30, 2006 at 6:09 am Link to this comment
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A witness has been silenced

It was the tyranny of deposed president of Iraq Saddam Hussein, that in years 1982 Kurds were gassed under his own orders and today he is hanged for it. But actual the game of terrorism era started after that when Imam Khomeini came into power in neighbouring Iran. To contain Iran; United State and Europe boosted up Saddam Hussein with weapons and arsenals to make him a most power full, staunch US ally in Middle East; to fight a long war of attrition for Us against Iran. Saddam fought for eleven years in order to fully deplete Iran. Millions of Iranian as well as Iraqi died. To cover up the atrocities committed on the behest of US with the weapons and arsenals supplied by US and Europe; a witness has successfully been silenced.

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By Richard Blacmoor, December 30, 2006 at 6:02 am Link to this comment
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He got what he deserved but I do not think killing him brings back those he killed. It was vengence and it would have been more painful for his ego if he had been kept in prison with no power then to get the quick death he did.
  Also the next trial involves the gassing of Kurds with nerve gas .This poison gas was made with raw materials that Don Rumsfeld provided for Saddam and payed for by US taxpayers.  The bush and neoCONS did not want this info paraded in public.

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By Jaded Prole, December 30, 2006 at 5:48 am Link to this comment
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Scheer’s analysis is right. We invade a country illegally, depose the brutal tryant we foisted on it decades ago wh we supported, aremd and encouraged. Now after we have killed more Iraqis than he and utterly destroyed that country, we try him in a controlled kangaroo court and murder him.

The crimes of empire outweight the crimes of our petty satraps. Whe will those charges be brought?

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By Manny Silva, December 30, 2006 at 4:58 am Link to this comment
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It is the height of hypocrisy for one government with innocent blood all over its hands to have the authority to execute another government leader with innocent blood all over his hands. If all authority belongs to God, how is it bloodguilty man meets out justice against another sinful man? “Vengeance is mine!” says the Lord! So, on what authority do they act?

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By Grayson, December 30, 2006 at 4:10 am Link to this comment
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Yawn.

Can we posthumously try Franklin Roosevelt and Harry Truman, too?

Because the “crimes” committed under their presidencies are far more drastic than anything Rumsfeld did.

Firebombing Dresden and Tokyo? Real torture and executions by American troops in Europe, not the panties-on-the-head sort…

“Long, seemingly endless trial”? Were you referring to Europe’s trial of Milosevic? The one that ran for almost a decade, where the guy ended up essentially dying OF OLD AGE before the verdict was passed?

Nice democracy there, genius. Yeah. Because dying of old age is a sure-fire deterrent against totalitarian dictators. Terrifies them into walking the straight and narrow, I’m sure.

(Oh, I’m sorry. Did I say dictator. Sorry. Forgot the crowd. I meant Freedom Fighter Speaking Truth to Power.)

“Speedy execution conducted in secret?” You’re kidding, right? Would you have preferred it slow and on Pay Per View? I would have, but I think we’re talking past each other, there. The ENTIRE world knew what time he was going to swing. Or did you really just want a firefight at his execution?

No, we couldn’t get Putin to invade, because he, like your French heroes, was getting graft money out of the oil for food program.

“How will this help Iraq heal?” Please. Ask Italy what Mussolini was doing on the lamppost, or what the Spandau Ballet did for Germany.

You people are tiresome, really. It’s to the point where parodies of the left are nearly impossible to discern from the truly insipid, pseudo-intellectualism.

But just as a philosophical aside, since so many liberals pretend to be moral relativists when their backs are against the wall, let’s assume that Scheer is correct and it’s just about revenge.

PROVE that that’s wrong.

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The real laugh line. David Scheer, who pimped for North Korea, whining about anything looking like Stalin’s show trials.

Poodle.

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By Brewer, December 30, 2006 at 3:40 am Link to this comment
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For those who have somehow avoided indoctrination by the neo-con’s campaign to demonize Saddam I recommend the following articles:

http://www.iranchamber.com/history/articles/arming_iraq.php

http://www.kurdmedia.com/articles.asp?id=6281

http://www.lewrockwell.com/wanniski/wanniski6.html

http://mondediplo.com/2003/04/06collateraldamage?var_recherche=Saddam

I have a dreadful feeling that the World will one day look back on this as a grave miscarriage of justice.

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By SamSnedegar, December 30, 2006 at 3:10 am Link to this comment
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Wasn’t supposed to be a real trial; it was just another way of sealing the files containing material unwelcome in the Bush world. These particular files were contained in Saddam’s head, and they very likely indicted Reagan and Bush1 and Baker, as well as Rumsfeld and others. God and the hangman forbid that Saddam would write a book and tell all. As they say, dead men tell no tales.

And don’t forget that George Witless Bush ordered that Saddam be executed when our forces bombed the restaurant where Saddam was supposed to eat that night, killing instead of the absent Saddam some 250 innocent Iraqis . . .

That is who runs your country: a bloodthirsty and brutal killer who killed some innocent whores and children in getting rid of Zarkawi, and who has wiped out more than a half million Iraqis who never did diddly-squat to any American. You ought to call our President “the exterminator.”

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By Purple Avenger, December 30, 2006 at 12:38 am Link to this comment
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Up your meds.

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By Terry Gain, December 30, 2006 at 12:27 am Link to this comment
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You’re wrong. Justice would require that he be murdered as many times as he murdered-without a trial. Whether he shipped his WMD to Syria on the eve of the war has no bearing on the issue. Get some perspective. Your partisanship is out of control. America is not the enemy. Not even the Democrats, who had access to the same intelligence and voted for the same war, are deserving of your cynicism.

Stop twisting the facts. You are aiding the enemy.

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By Jon B, December 30, 2006 at 12:04 am Link to this comment
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I whole heartedly agree with R. Sheer’s article, in particular “This is about vengeance, not justice”.
This vengeance, the lack of law and justice cost US dearly no matter how one sees it from humanity, international diplomacy and domestic economic points of view.

On the other hand, this war is made possible with the support of both rep and dem, including the upcoming presidential candidates.

It would be joy to the world if the next prez is not a blood thirst, war loving evildoer.

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By VP, December 30, 2006 at 12:00 am Link to this comment
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Yet another milestone in the decline of the Empire.  We have the largest percentage of poor and undecuated in the “first world,” and we’re the only “civilized” country that not only condones, but worships the death penalty.  Death to those who dared to secretly carry out the whims of our imperial foreign policy.  Saddam is not the first, and won’t be the last.

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By sarah, December 29, 2006 at 11:47 pm Link to this comment
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Odd timing…what was the rush? Why does this execution come right before Bush’s “new direction in Iraq” policy speech. This whole thing makes me sick. How will this help Iraq heal?

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By nick, December 29, 2006 at 11:16 pm Link to this comment
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While Saddams death does not bother me
the lack of a fair trial does!

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By hitnrun, December 29, 2006 at 11:04 pm Link to this comment
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Oh, come off it. The trial was indeed a show, but it wasn’t a pretense at real justice. If a “fair trial” was impossible, we would have just put a bullet in his head.

I mean, what are you really protesting here? That Saddam wasn’t given a chance to prove his innocence? That 500,000 corpses just in the major pits plus God knows how many undiscovered victims were unrelated to Saddam’s rule, or perhaps the fault of American sanctions? Was the gassing of the Kurds circumstantial evidence? Are we upset that the people shredders were shown in court before the defense had a chance to object?

The “bar” of Nuremburg is a nice touch. You fail to mention that the result of those trials was that every Nazi who was proven to have had a decision-making hand in those camps was put to death. As for the World Court, I have only two words: Slobodan Milosevic.

“US citizens should revolt against these criminals,”

Who they elected as recently as two years ago. And by the way, they did revolt. In the United States, we have a protocol for our revolts. They’re called “elections.”

“but alas they are too busy eating junk watching big teevees content or too busy struggling”

It’s sad how the socialist proletariat never quite grasps that the people struggling are the same people watching the big teevees, and that one leads to the other.

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By T de la Mora, December 29, 2006 at 10:36 pm Link to this comment
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I feel a certain sadness as if I had lost an uncle, a very bad uncle, but nevertheless an uncle.
For shame on the Bush administration for treating
this man like the lowest animal on earth.
If anyone should have gone to the gallows with Sadam, it should have been G.W.B.

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By Kurt, December 29, 2006 at 10:30 pm Link to this comment
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The fact is that Saddam was tried by a court in his own country under a constitution ratified by a majority of voters in the county, found guilty of killing 143 people who never had the benefit of a trial much less a hearing. Saddam was a mad man, a mass murdered surpassed by only a very few other mad men. He is dead and the world is better for it.

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By Daniel, December 29, 2006 at 10:13 pm Link to this comment
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Will the men who formed the Axis of Greed, Evil and Lies (Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld), ever see a trial for crimes against humanity, or will they all depart with gun salutes and medals, and retire into the darkest pages of US history impune?

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By Ed, December 29, 2006 at 9:40 pm Link to this comment
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The death penalty is the mark of a vile society.

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By sns, December 29, 2006 at 9:36 pm Link to this comment
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very disturbing…Bush and Co. should be brought to trial for this.  justice is compromised; US citizens should revolt against these criminals but alas they are too busy eating junk watching big teevees content or too busy struggling…it’s sickening…

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By vonwegen, December 29, 2006 at 9:07 pm Link to this comment
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Let’s see—-long, seemingly endless trial, speedy execution conducted in secret.

This is democracy? This is what our soldiers are fighting and dying for?

We could have saved ourselves the trouble by getting Putin to invade instead.

It would be very interesting to see what would happen if Bush, Cheney & Rumsfeld were sent down to Baghdad to stand trial for war crimes. Not that I am advocating such a thing, but it would be fascinating to watch…

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