Dubya is out of control; daddy tried to fix it but sonny insists he is the decider.  unfortunately, bush senior has some very difficult decisions to make, he cannot let sonny ruin, if he hasn’t already, the Bush legacy.  already bush has ruined jeb’s chance at the presidency;he was the smart son and the one who was suppose to follow daddy.  just remember bush senior use to be director of the CIA, he still has his connections with that agency; don’t be surprised if daddy has to make a very difficult decision about his son; i’m sure barbara would never forgive it, but come on—there is alot of pain out there in Iraq and here at home.

Hondo,

Your problem is that you’re scared shitless, and that has clouded your judgement. As a result you buy hook line and sinker into the government’s propaganda campaign.  First, I never stated that terrorists are not so bad (I pointed out the extremist mind set shared by those who see blind violence as the only solution to problem solving), nor did I say anything remotely resembling your assertion that I claimed fascism doesn’t apply to terrorists.  The only name I called you was an extremist for reasons I detailed.  Quote me if I’m wrong.  I’m not advocating appeasement, and to actually use the words I used, “Rational, intelligent responsible people achieve goals in ways so as to inflict the least amount of harm to individuals, nations and the world, while still meeting the ends desired.”  If terrorism was really the aim of the six plus years of color code fear monitors, unsubstantiated, unprovable plot disruptions, daily reminders that anyone and everyone is out to kill you and your family, and billions spent on wars, then why not first try the most simple, effective methods of prevention?  Why not spend the money instead on border security and immigration reform, international cooperation with intelligence information, special operations units, spy satellites, etc.  If the Iraq War was ever about terrorism, it played a small role in the decision to attack a sovriengn nation.  But if it was really all about terrorism, then the best case scenario is that our president and his administration are grossly incompentent.  You (finally) make some valid points in support of your argument that Bush is not a fascist - I think that is a bit of an extreme term myself, but there are valid reasons for the comparision. Let’s use your definition: “Fascism is a system of government marked by centralization of authority under dictatorial rule (GOP control is more accurate, but the ‘00 election was not decided by the voters and dirty tricks are well documented in the ‘04 election.  Bush had a rubber-stamp congress who granted him every wish he desired and he reciprocated in kind.  They expanded government under the guise of “Department of Homeland Security” which leads to) strict socioeconomic controls, suppression and/or elimination of any opposition through terror and censorship (the GOP socioeconomic agenda has been precisely this from the start.  Scaring the hell out of Hondo - terrorizing - and others. Allowing social programs die on the vine by looting their funding.  Strict governmental information control through domestic surveillance programs, secrecy, sealing documents, deregulation of media outlets. Declaring war on labor unions, health care and insurance. Allowing lending institutions to raise interest rates…you get the picture) and a national policy of terroristic nationalism (terrorizing Americans with fear to gain support for military and imperialist adventures), racism (Katrina, the “culture war”, “No Child Left Behind”, “The War on Islamofascists”) and religious intolerance (again, “the War on Islamofascists” and the governmental pandering to the social agenda of the Evangelical Christians.  There is nowhere near enough room to list everything, but these are a few of the more obvious examples.

“With people like Harry Reid, who is to be our new Senate Majority Leader, not to have publicly spoken out against Bush’s unpopular and irrational plan of continuing our involvement in Iraq gives me cause for alarm concerning Mr. Reid’s own ability to lead. The American people want us out as soon as possible. Our Democrat controlled Congress must stick to the promise it gave to the American people. At best, Congress should certainly not give Bush his way and, instead, only agree that we ratchet-down our military presence as quickly, and as it is reasonably possible to do so and then get out.”

Ben,

Well, if you think Harry Reid or the new Democratic Congress will speak out during the next two years, and change the fanatical “stay the course policy,” you’ll be sadly disappointed. 

As Gertrude Stein said “a rose is a rose, is a rose;” politicians are chameleons they know how to charm and give the impression that YOU want to hear-—but in reality their interest in public service, is really about “self-interest”—what’s in it for them, what will THEY get out of the deal; whatever idealism they suffered in their youth has morphed into pragmatic banality—they all become mere bureaucratic functionaries.

Gosh, David, I’m sorry. I didn’t realize that you would get your panties in such a bunch over me paying more attention to other people’s comments than your comments (Comment #43757). Well, here goes buddy! You now have my full attention, and I will take apart your original comments (#43400) sentence by sentence.
You start (after the whole name-calling rant) by saying that the definition of “fascism” that I provided doesn’t apply to the radical Islam terrorists, but it does apply to the Bush White House. I’m always amazed when I hear liberals say stupid stuff like that. It makes me wonder how y’all can breathe without written instructions. Bush is not a dictator. If he was, America wouldn’t have seen the peaceful, orderly transfer of power brought about by November’s elections. Keep in mind, also, that Congress—all by themselves—could stop the fighting in Iraq today by eliminating all funding. Does that sound like a dictatorship to you? Woops, sorry! I forgot who I was talking to!  Also, Bush does has not instituted strict socioeconomic controls over American society. I fact, he has reduced federal control over our society and our economy. Bush doesn’t use terrorism to suppress or eliminate opposition. If he did, people like you would be swinging from a rope. Bush, unlike liberals, actually believes in the 1st Amendment. There is no national policy of terrorism under Bush. Our President is fighting a war against people who have publically declared war against us and who have publically declared that, no matter what we say, they will not stop until they have destroyed us. Try getting that through your thick, liberal cranium, David!
You call me an extremist because I don’t have any faith in the policy of appeasement. You say “extremist”, I say “student of history.” In the entire history of the world, appeasement has never worked. Never! A conservative like myself looks at that history and says, “It’s time for a new strategy!” I don’t want to blow up the world, and I never said that I did—that’s your liberal distortion of my words. What I did say is that the time has come to put the world on notice. We are a peaceful people, but if you threaten our peace, we’ll light you up like the 4th of July! I am well aware that this kind of thinking is an obscenity to the liberal mind. I get that. Liberals would prefer to see millions of Americans dead in the streets before we ever ruffled a hair on a single terrorist’s head. That’s the difference between you and me.
You finish up by comparing me to Bin Laden. Interesting, isn’t it, that you spend all of your time trying to convince others that the terrorist really aren’t so bad, and then you turn around and use one of the main Islamofascist terrorists as a “yardstick of evil” to measure me against. Your screed should be required reading in every home in America. This psychosis called liberalism will get us killed if we let it!

The Mistake of Approving Robert Gates:
by PoorBensJournal, Sun Dec 24, 2006 at 12:51:37 AM EST
In very short time, it’s going to be made perfectly clear that Bush outsmarted everyone in Washington, Republican and Democrat by getting their speedy,unanimous vote confirming Robert Gates as Rumsfeld’s replacement. What were our lawmakers thinking, especially Diane Feinstein, when committing this blunder? There’s no excuse for it, not for any one person in Congress who rubber-stamped Gates prior to putting forth the effort to check him out.

There is more than a smattering of information on Mr. Gates’ past to raise a red flag. Where were our Democrats and, equally to blame, those Republicans who had distanced themselves from Bush during the elections as their only means of getting re-elected. Mr Gates, according to his critics, has been beholden to the Bush family for political favors during the presidency of Bush Sr.. How convenient for the Bushes to call in their markers at this time?

It is a well-known fact how Bush feels about an early withdrawal from Iraq. Also, we know how irrationally stubborn he is. Does anyone believe it is by coincidence that Gates, once approved, flew immediately to Iraq and met with a selected group of soldiers who were unanimous in wanting us “to remain in Iraq and complete the job.” Was it by coincidence that the entire press had been alerted and on hand to video the whole thing? And how about the military heads in Washington who only yesterday believed Iraq was a lost effort but today think otherwise?

The whole point of this is to take seriously the will of the American people. Over 60% of our people had shown support of those candidates committed to downsizing our military role in Iraq, in an expedient and responsible manner. The American people having made their decision voted accordingly.

With people like Harry Reid, who is to be our new Senate Majority Leader, not to have publicly spoken out against Bush’s unpopular and irrational plan of continuing our involvement in Iraq gives me cause for alarm concerning Mr. Reid’s own ability to lead. The American people want us out as soon as possible. Our Democrat controlled Congress must stick to the promise it gave to the American people. At best, Congress should certainly not give Bush his way and, instead, only agree that we ratchet-down our military presence as quickly, and as it is reasonably possible to do so and then get out.

(Signed)
Poor Bens Journal (here 59)

Hondo,

I appreciate you responding to the unsubstantial portion of my comments.  I did though offer you the opportunity to engage in honest, factual debate with me on any of the issues you cited - emotional and partisan arguments unwelcome.  Bush being a fascist, the war on terror or the war in Iraq (whether or not you think they are one in the same), domestic agenda… whatever.  Maybe you’re just bating folks with over-the-top rhetoric to get your kicks, but the one thing I can’t allow to go unchallenged is your assertion that my opinions are not based on fact reason or logic. Its definitely beneficial for everyone here to have an alternate viewpoint to challenge their own, - otherwise your just preaching to the choir - but I was trying to point out that you really make no effort to defend your position with any logic or facts whatsoever.  If you would, please present some facts upon which your opinions are based!

It’s past time to stop Bush, Cheney, and all despots in this administration. It is up to the American people to say ‘no’ to these crack heads, until they get the message of the people.
If we put Bush and every other dictator on this planet, on an Island, and none could leave until they all agree on a fair democracy for citizens of their respective countries, our problems would be solved, as we would never hear from any of them again.
Time for each of you to write your senators, newspapers, march against the tyranny, until we turn our country in the right direction.

Hondo, you’re behind the times already; the buzz phrase is no longer, “stay the course”, but rather ” the way forward”. Haven’t you been paying attention to Mad King George?

Dear Eleanore (comment #43599)

You said,
“... what is Bush’s mission, well we all know, that he is not interested in spreading democracy ... most of the middle-class have exited Iraq, and the remaining population have become criminally insane committing grotesque acts of violence in a WAR OF REVENGE.”

Agree, WE ALL KNOW!

You said,
“... is it possible that the intent of those “businessmen” in the White House was anarchy ...”

Possible? I think PRECISELY!

You said,
“... so long live ExxonMobil, Chevron, Shell and ConocoPhillips ... hail to the thief’s.”

Exactly.

You quote Mussolini,
“Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of State and corporate power.”

Couldn’t agree more, and couldn’t have said it better, so thanks for proving my point ...

WE KNOW THAT! So what’s wrong with US?
My goodness people ...
WHAT’S WRONG WITH US?
With the emphasis on ...
WHY DO WE ALLOW THIS TO CONTINUE?

This isn’t a conservative versus liberal thing anymore. This has become a NATIONAL SANITY versus POLITICAL INSANITY thing. So it seems to me we need to stop calling each other names ... at the very least stop trying to blame each other for the mess a group of rigid, cowardly politicians, their well-heeled supporters, the lobbies that own them and the smiling think-tankers who brainwash them have created for us. The simple truth is, right or left, con or lib, the war-starters who wouldn’t be caught dead actually fighting in a war (pun not intended, because this definitely is not funny) and those who only care about money and power do not care one jot or tiddle about you and me!

So again I ask, my goodness people ... what’s wrong with us? Why do we allow this to continue?

BECAUSE WE CAN STOP IT YOU KNOW!

That is if we can grow up enough to remove the barrier the Conservative power holders have placed in the road ... the one that says everything bad is the fault of the Liberals. Do I need to point out the Conservatives have been in control since 2001? How, by any stretch of reality can anyone blame the Liberals for the mess we find ourselves in after six years of absolute Conservative Republican control?

WE ARE THE PEOPLE and WE are getting screwed royally and only WE can stop it, so ...
WHY DO WE ALLOW THIS TO CONTINUE?

Stay what course?  There is no “course”!  The president has no plan, and the voters called his bluff on November 7th.  He got us into this, he and his nutball neocon cohorts, but he doesn’t know how to get us out.  He’s just like the little boy who bravely climbs a tree despite the cautions of wiser heads, and then can’t get down again.  Our troops are performing magnificently, and dying miserably, despite having no real concept of what their overall mission is, ultimately, since no one can articulate it for them.  Oh, that’s right, the Bush administration can’t divulge their plan, even to the troops, because that would tip off the “enemy” and spoil the surprise.  We can’t and won’t keep sacrificing our young people and treasure to an open-ended conflict just to give Mr. Bush a “victory” that neither he nor his misguided crew can define.  The Iraqis will never “step up” until we make it clear to them that we are “stepping down” and just when that will occur.  If the insurgents, if there are any left that can really be called that, want to wait to unleash what is constantly being touted as some terrible, overwhelming onslaught when we’re gone, then the Iraqi security forces will just have to train and prepare for that.  It seems to me, however, that they aren’t waiting for that, and more to the point, the Shiite and Sunni civil warriors are paying no attention to whether we are there or not.  They kill one another with impunity, and we can do nothing about it.  I sincerely hope that, if the misguided “McCain Solution” of a troop “surge” is tried that it succeeds sufficiently to satisfy Mr. Bush’s “fuzzy logic” concept of victory, so that he can allow those brave men and women to come home.

Posted by Hondo(#43478):

“3. Polly, Kwagmyre, and Missy—you all call me crazy, but you don’t offer facts, logic, or reason to refute anything I said. Typical!”

What a waste of time that is since you’re so obviously impervious to the facts and logic presented by everyone EXCLUDING YOU!

You’re just the resident pest on this thread trying to get everyone’s goat.

It doesn’t matter what you think. It doesn’t matter what the American electorate thinks…or what the Iraqi people want…
Bush is bringing *DEMOCRACY* to Iraq, by gum.

Baker is such a piece of shit. Remember when everyone was saying that the votes should be counted during the 2000 election and he got up there and said “this is a sad day for DEMOCRACY.” What a santimonious asshole. He knew Bush jr. was a total alcoholic moron and helped him steal the election anyway, posing as an elder statesman. The fact that he gets such good press for his whitewash Iraq Study group shows how compromised our media is.

EVAQ IRAQ?

YES!

(get this on magnet, button or sticker at http://www.cafepress.com/sarigraphics)

Correction from my post #43102:  We are currently at 6 billion worldwide population.  The emininent biologist, ecologist, author and Harvard professor, E.O. Wilson, stated in 2000 that he believes that our population will burgeon and be at 8 billion in 2 decades.  Stating that in 2000 means by 2020. billion.http://dir.salon.com/story/people/feature/2000/04/2 2/eowilson/index.html

“WE KNOW THAT! So what’s wrong with US?
My goodness people ...
WHAT’S WRONG WITH US?
WHY DO WE ALLOW THIS TO CONTINUE?”

Toby,

Nothing is wrong with us, at a recent press conference last week, Bush, was asked if it makes a difference that more than 60 percent of Americans are against the war in Iraq and he basically said, it did not—-he was going to finish the “mission.”  Well let’s think about that comment—-what is Bush’s mission, well we all know, that he is not interested in spreading democracy—-most of the middle-class have exited Iraq, and the remaining population have become criminally insane committing grotesque acts of violence in a WAR OF REVENGE.

So, what was the purpose of bombing Baghdad into a heap of ruble and creating a population incapable of self-government—-is it possible that the intent of those “businessmen” in the White House was anarchy, laying the groundwork for the installation of a new “Strong Man”—a new and improved Saddam—-the puppet for the moment—-a Gumby figure so malleable, that even the most deficient puppeteer could manipulate; a Gumby that will never nationalize Iraq’s oil or threaten the U.S. currency by dealing in the Euro—-so long live ExxonMobil, Chevron, Shell and ConocoPhillips—hail to the thief’s. 

“It always amazes me how much fiction appears on this site. Reagan was right when he said that liberalism is the passionate belief in things that just aren’t so. Let’s take the liberal lies one at a time.”

And yes, Hondo the court jester, is amusing and useful, his Archie Bunker political commentaries and zany rhetoric offers direct insights into the wacky world of the White House, where they love to stir “turds.”  Unfortunately, after these loons finish playing with their feces,  progressives will be called to clean the soiled asylum walls.

Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of State and corporate power.”

Benito Mussolini (1883-1945), Fascist Dictator of Italy

RE:  •    Comment #43478 by Hondo  on  12/22  at  10:37 pm — “...head out, Jackie, and look at http://www.cdi.org/terrorism/chronology.cfm Does that look like stories about the Easter Bunny?”

>>>>>>>head be way more out than yours, Hondo

Much of what’s listed there is FALSE FLAG TERROR run by your favorite whipping boy al CIA-duh whose operatives are usually protected by well-placed moles — not intelligence “failures,” stunning intelligence “successes.” And there’s your bleeding Easter Bunny.  Useful fool be you, Hondo, cramming it, as does the corporate-bought-and-sold MSM, down everyones throats, to reinforce the MYTH that set the pretext for the endless WAR OF TERRROR; the one Cheney keeps telling us, over and over, again and again, we’ll be fighting for a hundred years.  Which is exactly why the only way out is to INVESTIGATE! INDICT! PROSECUTE AND EXECUTE! — the lot of these Straussian, Strangelove madmen, driven by Nietzchien cravings for endless war…to waste the blood of your children and millions of innocents around the world, to salvage their collapsing petro-arms-drugs-dollar.

Beware one and all of any WMD incident anywhere in the world. If and when, don’t look to the cave, bin Laden, the laptop; don’t look to the Axis of Evil. Look to Cheney and Cheney’s handlers.

Reminder: educate yourselves about FALSE FLAG TERRORISM — oldest trick in the book. Trolls like Hondo know this and their mission is either to humiliate or stimulate — either way, if you have not done so, please check the most insightful analysis on the history of state-sponsored terror; executed in almost every case to set pretexts for war:

A/V
http://www.911busters.com/New_911_Evidence/WMV/Webster _Tarpley_NYC.wmv

audio only
http://www.911busters.com/New_911_Evidence/MP3/Webster _Tarpley_NYC.html

Mike, there are no DEMOCRATS in Iraq.  There aren’t even any Iraqis in Iraq.  They are tribalists Shite and Sunnie who hate each other, have been fighting for 1400 years and will continue to do so for another 1400 years and there is not a thing we can do about it.  We just escalated the situation by going in there to steal their oil, so now they are pointing their guns, etc. at us.  We are in the middle and are killing “Iraqis”, not terrorists, despite what Bush wants to call them.  He just keeps changing the names of things.  What is to be gained by us getting out?  American lives, that’s what.  Far too many innocents have already died because of the facists in the White House.  Grandpappy Prescott was a war profiteer who propped up Hitler, Inc., George H continued the policy by selling arms and WMD to Saddam and now the little shrub thinks he must carry on the family legacy.  Only he’s not capable of doing anything but lying, cheating and stealing.  The first rule of holes, when you find yourself in one, stop digging, but Dumbo just wants a bigger shovel.

Mike, in Comment #43523, you ask the question that I have longed to hear from someone—anyone—on this thread. In that one, simple, concise question, Mike showed more intelligence and more intellectual honesty than all of the other “commenters” combined. The short answer to his question is that America’s surrender in Iraq won’t benefit anyone, except for the tyrants and murderers that want to destroy America and Israel, and who the lunatic left is so in love with. That’s why we have to stay and fight (dare I say, stay the course!).

Robert is quite correct. (Comment # 43265 by Robert)
Everyone should watch the Democracy Now segment he refers to.
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/12/21/143259
The paragraphs he quotes could leave some to believe Scott Ritter does not know or like Israel.
That is not the case. Watch the entire discussion. Appears to me what Ritter doesn’t like is the fact that an Israeli Lobby has far to much influence on our congress and administration, which in turn affects our national interests and that’s not good for us.

If we were to discover a lobby set up and supported by oh, say Saudi Arabia, had acquired enough power within our government to cause decisions to be made that placed their national interests above our own do you think we might be a little bent out of shape? Particularly if they were counting on us to start and fight a war for them?

Anyone who has been paying attention must recognize the potential danger when Lobbies have so much power they can influence the decisions and actions of elected officials. Not only does this imperil the governance of our country, but it leads to massive corruption. Hello ... why did so many send the republicans packing?

Watch the entire show. http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/12/21/143259

Our elected officials owe their allegiance to we the people, protecting and defending our Constitution (I know they’ve done a pretty lousy job of that lately) our nation and avoiding political entanglements that lead us into fighting a war for someone else. The mystery to many is how this Israeli Lobby has been able to gain so much influence over our government. Money that buys votes? Possibly, but with the confirmation last week, (with Israel’s admission) they have nuclear weapons, maybe it’s simple fear. The habit of listening to the Israeli lobby ahead of listening to us, or even simple common sense, and possibly attacking Iran could be guided by the fear that if we don’t Israel may use Nukes to put Iran out of commission.

But our own dear war prez has been busy resurrecting nukes for years. Anybody paying attention? And he’s made no secret about his Bunker Busters with nuclear warheads. ANYBODY PAYING ATTENTION? And wouldn’t Iran be just a perfect place to see if they work?

I wish the problem was that simple and uncomplicated. The wonder is that we think anything will change, just because we want it too. Here we are, we know our congress voted to support torture. TORTURE! We know our congress voted to weaken our Constitution and the Bill of Rights. We know they know the war in Iraq was based on a lie. We know they know we are losing that war, and we know they know Iran DOES NOT HAVE A VIABLE NUCLEAR WEAPON, but they are all perfectly willing and anxious to attack Iran. We know what the administration wants. We know how eagerly the congress leaps to attention and says OK ....

WE KNOW THAT! So what’s wrong with US?
My goodness people ...
WHAT’S WRONG WITH US?
WHY DO WE ALLOW THIS TO CONTINUE?

As someone who wants the Iraqi DEMOCRATS to win and the U.S. and pro-Democracy forces to win in the Middle East I really don’t understand the desire to turn Iraq back over to tyrants and murderers.

Can someone answer how that helps anyone?

Can any one tell me. Is there any intelligent, life left on the planet earth? Why are we sending all these young men to die in Iraq? for what? to bring down saddam ? Who was hiding in A hole in the ground? For oil? Who do we turn to in this time of crisis.

It always amazes me how much fiction appears on this site. Reagan was right when he said that liberalism is the pasionate belief in things that just aren’t so. Let’s take the liberal lies one at a time.
1. Jackie says Islamofascism is a myth. Wow! Pull your head out, Jackie, and look at http://www.cdi.org/terrorism/chronology.cfm
Does that look like stories about the Easter Bunny?
2. Phillip accuses the Bush administration of orchestrating 9/11 and says Osama had nothing to do with the attack. Please report to Nurse Ratchet, Phil—it’s medication time!
3. Polly, Kwagmyre, and Missy—you all call me crazy, but you don’t offer facts, logic, or reason to refute anything I said. Typical!
4. Mike W.—You say that Iraq posed no threat to us. Are you calling all of these people liars—John Kerry, Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, Bob Graham, Henry Waxman, Al Gore, Jay Rockefeller, Robert “KKK” Byrd, Ted “The Swim Coach” Kennedy, Carl Levin, Madeline Not So Bright, Nancy Pelosi, Tom Daschle, Sandy Berger, Dick Gephardt, William Cohen, Jacques Chirac, Barbara Boxer Shorts, and Dianne Feinstein? Each and every one of them disagreed with you. See http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1007910/posts
Are these the “pro-war assholes” you are speaking of?
5. Moe, you are the perfect example of the “useful idiot.” You read my definition of “fascism”, you agreed with the definition, but you just can’t imagine what that has to do with radical Islam or the war on terror. Moe, I hope that you have Curly and Larry hidden in a safe place, because if, God forbid, Islamofascism would ever succeed in conquering America, you and your ilk would be the first ones killed. Yuk, yuk, yuk!
6. David, you are correct. I do use name calling as a tool. Do you know why I do that? It’s because that, whenever I post a comment on Truthdig.com, 99.9% of the inhabitants of this Cuckoo’s Nest can’t do anything more than call me dirty names. They never refute any of the points I make. That makes them wing nuts!

There are so many more liberal lies on this thread, that I just don’t have time to respond to all of them. I will close with an answer to Baudolino, though. Why do I do this? I hate dishonesty, sir, and there’s more dishonesty on this site than you can shake a stick at! I don’t at all believe that I will change the opinions of most of the regulars on this site. I do have hopes, however, that maybe one or two visitors to this site will be able to see the difference between liberal delusions and conservative reality. I have noticed some progress with a couple of the “regulars” here, so I am encouraged. Besides that——I just love to stir turds! You are so wrong, Baudilino, about nobody listening. The tin-foil-hat brigade that hangs out at Truthdig.com is tuned in to everything I say, and they just can’t help yelling back! I get a kick out of that! Bye, bye for now!

Why must we continue to capitalize the
word “god” and use it without a modifier
such as “his god, her god, their god,
Bush’s god, Obama’s god, etc.”?

Why is it that the USA are always picking on little guys, such as the Latin countries, etc.

They never have tried to remove Stalin nor Mao,
but they removed Saddam?

“What are they smoking in the Bush White House?”

Quebec Gold !!!

“after Jimmy Carter was voted out as Anti-Semite-In-Chief, he claimed as his mission on this earth the promotion of every anti-Israel group and individual in the world.”
Hondo,
Calling Jimmy Carter an anti-Semite is totally wacky—Carter is only concerned about establishing peace in the Middle East—sorry if the concept of peace seems odd to a thoughtful and spiritual guy like yourself; someone who wants to kill the entire population of Iran.

Bush can’t do anything to back out of Iraq.  If he does, the failure is his.  If he can keep it going until he is out of office, the failure will be someone elses.  Consequently he ignores the ISG recommendations and does something guaranteed (Increasing the troops) to keep it going.

Reply to Comment #43306 by Ken on 12/21 at 7:53pm

Ken “The Slyer”...your evilness will never change. Your mind & soul are infected beyond any therapy from all of zionism’s theories & teachings.

You were labeled & called by several of the people from the other forums…a fanatic zionist, a damn liar, a damn fool, you have a Bi-Polar disorder, a rabid dog that is foaming & frothing at the mouth…and much more.

You may have changed your posting name from “Ken Shreier” to “Ken”, but still your deceptive & evil ways are transparent to the people of TRUTH on this & other forums.

Ken “The Slyer”...you stated the following on another forum a couple of days ago:

“TruthDig…if I rely on this site for “truth”..just shoot me now….”

Go right ahead “Ken The Slyer” and shoot yourself in the mouth. The TRUTH is on truthdig and Not on CNN, Fox News, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, NBC, NPR and many more of U.S. mainstream news media.

Go ahead and take that damn “IDF” uniform off; your loyalty to Israel & zionism is crushing you. You would probably shoot and kill Palestinian children just for throwing stones at their brutal “IDF” occupiers. 100’s of your IDF buddies have done it so many times & are still doing it.

Truthdig is exposing your Apartheid state of Israel, AIPAC, and your zionism for their lack of respect to Human Rights, UN Resolutions, International Law, Geneva Convention Articles & much more.

Ken The Slyer…the TRUTH will always face you and knock you down where you really belong.

TRUTH & JUSTICE WILL PREVAIL!

RE:    •    Comment #43358 by Hondo  on  12/22  at  7:49 am — “Ken, you are so right. Unfortunately, there is a whole lot of Anti-Semitism going on at Truthdig.”

>>> you’re both so wrong

The Middle East is populated entirely by semitic peoples who worship in Abrahamic traditions. Religion and the notion of race as a divisive issue are essentially manipulative tools, used to foment hatred and fear, most seriously through false flag terror and more modestly by provocateurs like Ken and Hondo.

Gates ran the CIA when, through Pakistan’s ISI, they set up the Mujahidin to kick Russia out of Afghanistan. They’ve been running bin Laden ever since, using al Queda to instigate a strategy of tension wherever they want to disrupt local and regional politics. Zionists have been doing the same thing since they bombed the King David Hotel and hung it on Palestinians. Black-ops/psy-ops are so thick in the Middle East, it’s virtually impossible to know what terror is being done by which operatives and to what end.

The overarching goal is clearly to fail all states except Israel. Demoralize and humiliate their populations — remove them as political entities of any import, leaving the global oligarchs to rule as they did before WWII through compliant puppets.

The horribly cynical weapon of false flag terror must be exposed and broken before their faces — rendered impotent for all time. While it is still so widely used all political initiatives are distorted beyond purposeful recognition. It is widely recognized in the Middle East, including Isreal. Many Israelis live themselves in fear of MOSSAD black-ops/psy-ops — http://www.israelshamir.net/shamirImages/Shamir/FalseF lag.htm

OK, Hondo, keep drinking the koolaid until they come for you.  Liberals are the only ones name calling??  You must not read your own right wing press..see Ann Coulter, Bill Kristol, etc. and your own “liberal wing nuts”,“wacky libs”, “mad-dog” “psychopathic”, “lunatic left”, all in one post!  Now observe your hero’s latest edict - “I will listen to the generals on the ground”, so they speak, and he says “withdrawal is unacceptable”.  Unacceptable is him and his war-proiteer buddies.  Sending another carrier to the Persian Gulf is his way of sticking pins in Iran trying to provoke them so he will have an excuse to pull out the nukes.  What he doesn’t understand is nuclear war will be the end of the planet, so where is the profit in that?  He can’t see beyond the tip of his nose.  So much for C-students!

Hondo,

Your comments are hypocrital at best.  You state, “When I post comments on this site, I use facts, logic and reason to support my arguments. Liberals can’t use facts, because the facts are against them, and logic and reason are completely foreign concepts to liberals”.  You also talk about “liberal” name calling and in the same breath you call others “liberal wing nuts”.  In fact logic, reason and facts are about the only things your post is void of. Your definition of fascism may be the right one, but apparently you fail to realize that every single concept in that definition CAN be applied to the current president and his right-wing brethern (i’d be happy to list, point by point, exactly how this is so).  Your argument against Bush being a fascist consists only of your assertion that you never applied the same lable on Clinton.  Hardly a logical argument.  You then procede to lay out the Hondo plan for international diplomacy.  Flatten and destroy everything in your path.  That may seem reasonable and/or logical to you but personally that sounds to me like the rationale of an ape on acid. International diplomacy and foriegn policy has slightly different standards than Wrestlemania. The sad truth is, is that you are an extremist.  The difference between moderates like myself and radical right wingers like you is that you are an extremist with the same mind frame as the “Islamofascists”.  Do as I say or be anihilated.  Hondo said this and so did Zawahiri just yesterday. “Terrorists” want us out of their land, and to achieve this objective they use murderous force.  You don’t want leave their lands, so you propose using murderous force. Extremists don’t care how many innocent people’s lives they destroy in order to acheive their objective, and neither do you (see the Iraq War).  Rational, intelligent responsible people achieve goals in ways so as to inflict the least amount of harm to individuals, nations and the world, while still meeting the ends desired.  Reckless, ignorant (psychopathic?) people act without regard to any other interest than their own and achieve their ends utilizing the least amount of brain power as possible - brute force is of course the extreme. It is truly this extremism that is at the center of the issue - at home and abroad. And people like our president, Hondo and bin Laden should be kept as far away from the reigns of power as is possible before they anihilate our planet.  We need people who are actually rational, logical, and intelligent.

Got to love that Hondo! He certainly keeps things lively in this thread! (Until he and his can finally devour the world with the complete and ending conflagration of a religious world war.)
I think it important the he is allowed his diatribe so we North Americans can better understand the propaganda that allows us our petty little killing episodes meant for world oil domination.
He also is an excellent exhibit of the propaganda used for making up the completely racist, bloody, apartheid, Zionist takeovers, of other people’s lands.
I am glad he is here to spout his murderous bellicosity. No one could exhibit a better example of what we must truly be united in working against. Thank you Hondo!
Kudos to Comment #43281 by A khokar Comment and #43102 by WMWoodward Thanks for the history, the reasoning, hope we can all learn from it.
Kudos to Comment #43265 by Robert, a really important read, and never mind the Zionist speaking his lies against you, that is all they have.

For Beth’s information, the term Islamofascist was coined by someone called Nick Cohen of the New Statesman magazine (London)and I have a little anecdote about it.
  This was few years back when Bin Laden’s picture appeared on the cover of this magazine with Mussolinis uniform with his arm and hand stretched in a fascist salute. Since I didn’t understand how a corporative Mussolini’s system fit into muslim religion, I sent a letter to the editor to ask for clarification. I did add that, since we are stretching definitions to a breaking point, what Israel does could comfortably be called as Judeonazism.
Well, neither the editors (who normally send their polite “regrets” for “lack of space”) nor Nick aknowledged my letter. I apparently stepped upon their taboo- sarcasm about Israel’s image.
Of course, I dropped my suscription.
And, speaking about “antisemitisms”, I have come to the conclusion that there are two sorts of it. One is unacceptable when it stems from racism or religious bigotry. The other, which is based on Israel’s behaviour is totally justified.
The latter is proportional to the crimes committed by Israel, which means it will disappear when Israel stops its bestial acts.
And, let the Jews rant and rave as much as they want to, that they are the same thing. We can’t permit that our freedom of thought and expression depends on their prejudices.

One can only thank Iraqi people for their courageous resistance to forces of judeofascism. Judeofascists are the cancer of the middle east and one of the greatest ills affecting humanity today.

Why do all of these rabid right-wing neo-con clowns come here to truthdig (a leftist site) and post in the comments section?  Do you think it will somehow make a difference or persuade someone who reads the articles here that your point of view is more sensible?  It won’t.  Nobody cares what you have to say.  I’d call it laughable, but it’s just sad and a little bit scary that you are so delusional and that you argue and obsess about politics and world events like you’re rooting for the home team at a football game. You are “fans” of the Republican or “conservative” political agenda (regardless of how often it changes and contradicts itself) - what an extremely sophisticated world view!  Everything boiled down to “Tastes Great!  Less Filling!” ... 

You must just enjoy getting into pissing matches with those whom you identify as the ideological opposition - they are the opposing team, and you play them every week.  Well, fire away, you brave and stalwart “lap-top bombardiers” - scream yourselves hoarse and go red in the face with righteous indignation because reality won’t conform itself to fit your juvenile fantasies and then cry yourselves to sleep at night because everybody else is so wrong and you are so so right. 

Nobody is listening.

On Hondo’s definition of fascism and how it applies to Islam:

Hondo’s definition of fascism is precise and correct, which is why it also shows that he knows absolutely nothing about Islam, and that why Islamo-fascism is fictional.

In Islam - Sunni or Shi’ite - any set of two people or more can and do form a group operating INDEPENDENT OF GOVERNMENT. You go to any Islamic country, and you will find tens of thousands of such organizations.

Shi’ites, in particular, have many ayatollahs with large followers. They operate INDEPENDENT of the government and the central authority. In Iran, for example, we have many ayatollahs that are totally against the central government, a supposedly religious dictatorship akin to Islamo-fascism. There is nothing that the government can do about them.

In Iran’s most recent elections last Friday, despite the best effort of the government, people voted overwhelmingly against it. The ayatollahs can also issue fatwas - religious order and opinion - but a fatwa by one is not necessarily endorsed by others or by the government, or even by the his followers.

There are many radical Islamic organizations around the world, from Indonesia, to Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Palestine, Egypt, Algeria, etc. There are also cells of Islamic radicals in Europe. No one claims that they have organic connections. If there is such a thing as Islamo-fascism, i.e., the existence of an all important central authority with absolute loyalty by its followers, why do we so many of them? Many of these do not see eye to eye on many issues. Example: Hamas and Islamic Jihad in Palestine, Iraq’s Al Queda and the original one; Hezbollah and Amal in Lebanon, etc.

Osama bin Laden has “succeeded” not because he commands absolute loyalty from his followers, like a true facist, but the opposite: He talks in broad terms about his “ideas,” but lets his followers interpret and/or implement them anyway they want. That is why if he disappears today (we are not certain that he still alive, in fact), it will not mean that Al Queda will disappear.

All of these only go to show that Islamo-fascism is only a sick product of the still sicker neocons’ brains (and we have no firm evidence that they do have brains).

So, since you pride yourself in talking rationally and with logic, Hondo, next time when you come forward to talk about your imaginary Islamo-fascism, you had better come forward well-informed and studied. As things stand, you know absolutely nothing about Islam.

So many of these goofballs talk of “liberal” appeasers opposing the war but, in fact, opposing this miserable affair is the most conservative thing a person can do. 

What is conservative about attacking a country that posed no threat to the USA?  What is conservative about spending 1 trillion dollars to bring democracy to a country that doesn’t even want it?

I am so damn ashamed that I voted for Bush in 2000.  He is a pathetic puppet of his advisers, rats like Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Feith, Perle and many more.  Chickenhawk SOBs who always thought that fighting in a war was something someone else did.

I spent 4 years in the USMC.  If I were of enlistment age today I would never do it.  New recruits are just feeding this idiocy.

I am a Republican and fear that Bush’s war will enable the Democrats to gain the White House.  Where will we be then - a White House full of “liberal” appeasers.

You pro-war assholes make me sick.

Democracy, like religion, should not be forced upon a society by the sword (or in this century the gun). If the populations of the Middle East want to be ruled by theocratic dictators, even though it may be repugnant to Westerners, they have to live there. We don’t. When they are ready for a change, they will initiate it. They don’t need, and obviously don’t want, us doing it for them. All American combat armed foreces should be withdrawn from Iraq today.

Ken, you are so right. Unfortunately, there is a whole lot of Anti-Semitism going on at Truthdig. I have come to believe that, after Jimmy Carter was voted out as Anti-Semite-In-Chief, he claimed as his mission on this earth the promotion of every anti-Israel group and individual in the world. His hate has spread to the rest of the radical left.

Comment #43306 by Ken on 12/21 at 7:53 pm

COMMENT 43265 - “Robert”, as he calls himself, is either a Nazi, KKK, Radical Muslim or just plain Jew hater who is now spreading his garbage to this forum.
He has a paranoia/phobia problem that Jews are the cause of all the problems in the world.
Just see all his posts on the different forums.
He should seek psychiatric help.
Sorry Robert, I had to inform them of your propaganda mission of hate against a people who have been fighting for their survival throughout history.
Bye Pal, they got your number now.

It’s the pot calling the kettle black….Robert, Ken is in your company, as he’s been busted for the same and is just emulating what’s been done to him.

Comment #43283 by Hondo on 12/21 at 6:21 pm

Yes, Hondo…now may I offer you professional counseling?  Your Shared Bush reality/ideology and your hate obsession concerning liberals can be alleviated with some therapeutic techniques.

Posted by Hondo(#43283):

. “We officially declare war on the forces of Islamofascism, and we put the Bush Doctrine on steroids so that all radical Islam terrorist organizations worldwide know that we will destroy them by any means necessary.”

Well, with a view like THAT, I certainly wouldn’t want to put YOU on steroids!

“We tell Iran and Syria to IMMEDIATELY pull all support out of Iraq, or we turn Damascus and Tehran into parking lots. Then we give them one week to comply before pulling the trigger. We quit trying to muzzle Israel’s right to self defense.”

Hondo,
Here is one fact no one can deny, Beth and Moe are right you’re nuts—only a nut would eagerly want genocide in the name of OIL—-the term “Islamofascism”; was probably coined by a sociopath.

If we wish to get out of the Middle East, all we must do focus back to September 11, 2001, and conduct a real investigation.  Osama bin Laden
had nothing to do with the US Northwoods plan or 9-11.  The Bush regime needed their “Pearl Harbor” to pull off their pre-planned invasions in both Afganistan and Iraq.  They do not intend to stop until they have all of the Middle East or until we are utterly defeated:  or until we expose them and give them proper disposition.

The idiotic comment by “Ken” (#43306), as he calls himself, is a prime example of how the Hasbara-poisoned mind lashes out at anyone who criticises Israel.

What are we learning from history:

take a joker like Hitler. We all feel smug that now that it has happened we have learned something. It won’t happen again.

Well, perhaps not with the same uniforms. With slightly different ones for sure.

Take this turd bush. You would think after he craps out there may be elected a human for the job. Perhaps. But the shit head is sure coming back with a slightly different grin later!

How to approach this recurring problem?

If the West has a solution I would like to hear about it. The only solution I could think of is somewhat of an Eastern flavor:

Shit is beautiful! Take advantage of it and enjoy as long as it is possible.

Here we go again, another neocon named Moe Hare is here spewing the usual neocon propaganda:  Anyone who criticizes Israel or AIPAC is anti-semitic, KKK and probably hates Jesus too. 

How predictable.  Why do you hate America Moe? 

Thanks to Ken for pointing out something that is becoming increasingly obvious, that AIPAC and other lobbying groups are heavily supported by the Israeli government.  These lobbying/pressure groups are attempting and, in the case of AIPAC, are succeeding in influencing US policies. 

I realize in pointing this out that certain rethuglicons will falsely accuse me of being anti-semitic (this is apparently their method of silencing those who expose the obvious regarding AIPAC and other Israeli pressure groups), but that is not true.  Pointing out the facts regarding AIPAC and ‘the Lobby’ as well as Israel does not make one anti-semitic any more than supporting Bush makes someone a patriotic American. 

While we are on the subject, could one of you neocon thugs, in between breathlessly accusing everyone else of treason, anti-semitism, sedition and not supporting the troops, please explain why we give approximately 1/5 of our foreign aid budget to Israel every year?  Israel is one of the strongest industrial countries in that region with a per capita income equal to Spain or South Korea, hardly an impoverished nation.  I thought you little rethuglicons were against foreign aid and welfare. 

While we’re on the subject, tell us why we give Israel some of our most advanced weaponry?  Anyone remember when our “ally” Israel tried to sell our AWACS technology to China(the deal was scuttled by the Congress in 2001)?  Oh wait, I know, you rethugnicons will mention LORAL sales of missile technology as if two wrongs make a right.  Sorry Moe, we got your number too. 

Why do you hate America Moe and more importantly, what did YOU do in the war?

RE: •    Comment #42983 by Hondo  on  12/20  at  7:38 am — “...ultimately, history will judge him on how good a job he did in fighting Islamofascism.”

>>>>> ultimately

history will identify “Islamofascism” for the MYTH that it is; just as the myth of “Monolithic Communism” has been dispelled.

So will al Queda but equated with Gladio, the false flag CIA/MI-6 black-ops/psy-ops state-sponsored shadow organ that terrorized Europe at the height of the cold war in an effort to taint all Communist Party members, especially in Italy, where they had legitimately won Parliament seats and a right to participate in the government. The most high profile operation was the kidnapping and murder of Italian Prime Minister Aldo Moro, by the Red Brigade, later fully exposed as a Gladio cell — all fully documented in Italian Parliament hearings ca. 1990 and fully researched in Webster G. Tarpley’s “Chi ha ucciso Aldo Moro? - Who Killed Aldo Moro?”

In Europe it was called The Strategy of Tension. It’s now the Global War of Terror. The terror is always real, but the terrorists are mostly puppets, mostly unwitting. Until false flag terror is effectively defeated, its distortions on global politics will render any serious efforts at peace almost impossible.

I strongly recommend this serious, historically-based, well-researched lecture on false flag terror, based on Tarpley’s book “911 Synthetic Terror - Made in USA.”

A/V
http://www.911busters.com/New_911_Evidence/WMV/Webster _Tarpley_NYC.wmv

audio only
http://www.911busters.com/New_911_Evidence/MP3/Webster _Tarpley_NYC.html

Bush does not see himself as a dictator.  He believes that he has been chosen by the Almighty to conduct a global war on terror, and that end justifies any means: torture, denial of habeas corpus, indefinite incarceration of U. S. citizens, illegal wiretaps, and the invasion and occupation of another sovereign nation to preempt the possibility of its taking actions against our national interests.  We will not, as one person has suggested, “reduce Damascus and Tehran to parking lots.”  We will not be able to “make it so painful” that terrorists and those directing them will leave us alone.  You can’t possibly do that to people who are willing to blow themselves up.  “Victory” will be declared by President Bush at whatever point the generals convince him that we can either get out in 140,000 pieces, or commit another 30,000 “pieces” in an all-out assault on militia strongholds in Baghdad, get bogged down, and have to fight our way out of Iraq.  The Maliki government will never allow us to attack its buddies, the Mahdi army, loyal to Muqtadr al Sadr.  We will inevitably get out, sooner, at less cost, or later, at a terrible cost, leaving a strengthened Iran and Syria, a moribund Iraq dissolving into ethnic enclaves, and an even more afflicted and therefore more belligerent Israel.  Meanwhile, the Taliban will continue to dominate enclaves in Afghanistan, and the international cooperation against terror evident immediately post 9/11 will remain lost because of Mr. Bush’s “go it alone” machismo and misguided Iraq vendetta/adventure.  All the “nuke em’” posturing will have no effect on the real islamic extremists, because they are not present in the large population centers that would make effective nuclear targets.  They won’t be disrupted by conventional warfare tactics in their “assymetrical” campaign to do western civilization harm.  Jingoistic hyperbole just demonstrates the total lack of any understanding of the world situation as it stands.

STOP THE ATROCITIES…STOP THE WAR CRIMES…NOW

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