Dubya is out of control; daddy tried to fix it but sonny insists he is the decider.  unfortunately, bush senior has some very difficult decisions to make, he cannot let sonny ruin, if he hasn’t already, the Bush legacy.  already bush has ruined jeb’s chance at the presidency;he was the smart son and the one who was suppose to follow daddy.  just remember bush senior use to be director of the CIA, he still has his connections with that agency; don’t be surprised if daddy has to make a very difficult decision about his son; i’m sure barbara would never forgive it, but come on—there is alot of pain out there in Iraq and here at home.

Hondo,

Your problem is that you’re scared shitless, and that has clouded your judgement. As a result you buy hook line and sinker into the government’s propaganda campaign.  First, I never stated that terrorists are not so bad (I pointed out the extremist mind set shared by those who see blind violence as the only solution to problem solving), nor did I say anything remotely resembling your assertion that I claimed fascism doesn’t apply to terrorists.  The only name I called you was an extremist for reasons I detailed.  Quote me if I’m wrong.  I’m not advocating appeasement, and to actually use the words I used, “Rational, intelligent responsible people achieve goals in ways so as to inflict the least amount of harm to individuals, nations and the world, while still meeting the ends desired.”  If terrorism was really the aim of the six plus years of color code fear monitors, unsubstantiated, unprovable plot disruptions, daily reminders that anyone and everyone is out to kill you and your family, and billions spent on wars, then why not first try the most simple, effective methods of prevention?  Why not spend the money instead on border security and immigration reform, international cooperation with intelligence information, special operations units, spy satellites, etc.  If the Iraq War was ever about terrorism, it played a small role in the decision to attack a sovriengn nation.  But if it was really all about terrorism, then the best case scenario is that our president and his administration are grossly incompentent.  You (finally) make some valid points in support of your argument that Bush is not a fascist - I think that is a bit of an extreme term myself, but there are valid reasons for the comparision. Let’s use your definition: “Fascism is a system of government marked by centralization of authority under dictatorial rule (GOP control is more accurate, but the ‘00 election was not decided by the voters and dirty tricks are well documented in the ‘04 election.  Bush had a rubber-stamp congress who granted him every wish he desired and he reciprocated in kind.  They expanded government under the guise of “Department of Homeland Security” which leads to) strict socioeconomic controls, suppression and/or elimination of any opposition through terror and censorship (the GOP socioeconomic agenda has been precisely this from the start.  Scaring the hell out of Hondo - terrorizing - and others. Allowing social programs die on the vine by looting their funding.  Strict governmental information control through domestic surveillance programs, secrecy, sealing documents, deregulation of media outlets. Declaring war on labor unions, health care and insurance. Allowing lending institutions to raise interest rates…you get the picture) and a national policy of terroristic nationalism (terrorizing Americans with fear to gain support for military and imperialist adventures), racism (Katrina, the “culture war”, “No Child Left Behind”, “The War on Islamofascists”) and religious intolerance (again, “the War on Islamofascists” and the governmental pandering to the social agenda of the Evangelical Christians.  There is nowhere near enough room to list everything, but these are a few of the more obvious examples.

“With people like Harry Reid, who is to be our new Senate Majority Leader, not to have publicly spoken out against Bush’s unpopular and irrational plan of continuing our involvement in Iraq gives me cause for alarm concerning Mr. Reid’s own ability to lead. The American people want us out as soon as possible. Our Democrat controlled Congress must stick to the promise it gave to the American people. At best, Congress should certainly not give Bush his way and, instead, only agree that we ratchet-down our military presence as quickly, and as it is reasonably possible to do so and then get out.”

Ben,

Well, if you think Harry Reid or the new Democratic Congress will speak out during the next two years, and change the fanatical “stay the course policy,” you’ll be sadly disappointed. 

As Gertrude Stein said “a rose is a rose, is a rose;” politicians are chameleons they know how to charm and give the impression that YOU want to hear-—but in reality their interest in public service, is really about “self-interest”—what’s in it for them, what will THEY get out of the deal; whatever idealism they suffered in their youth has morphed into pragmatic banality—they all become mere bureaucratic functionaries.

Gosh, David, I’m sorry. I didn’t realize that you would get your panties in such a bunch over me paying more attention to other people’s comments than your comments (Comment #43757). Well, here goes buddy! You now have my full attention, and I will take apart your original comments (#43400) sentence by sentence.
You start (after the whole name-calling rant) by saying that the definition of “fascism” that I provided doesn’t apply to the radical Islam terrorists, but it does apply to the Bush White House. I’m always amazed when I hear liberals say stupid stuff like that. It makes me wonder how y’all can breathe without written instructions. Bush is not a dictator. If he was, America wouldn’t have seen the peaceful, orderly transfer of power brought about by November’s elections. Keep in mind, also, that Congress—all by themselves—could stop the fighting in Iraq today by eliminating all funding. Does that sound like a dictatorship to you? Woops, sorry! I forgot who I was talking to!  Also, Bush does has not instituted strict socioeconomic controls over American society. I fact, he has reduced federal control over our society and our economy. Bush doesn’t use terrorism to suppress or eliminate opposition. If he did, people like you would be swinging from a rope. Bush, unlike liberals, actually believes in the 1st Amendment. There is no national policy of terrorism under Bush. Our President is fighting a war against people who have publically declared war against us and who have publically declared that, no matter what we say, they will not stop until they have destroyed us. Try getting that through your thick, liberal cranium, David!
You call me an extremist because I don’t have any faith in the policy of appeasement. You say “extremist”, I say “student of history.” In the entire history of the world, appeasement has never worked. Never! A conservative like myself looks at that history and says, “It’s time for a new strategy!” I don’t want to blow up the world, and I never said that I did—that’s your liberal distortion of my words. What I did say is that the time has come to put the world on notice. We are a peaceful people, but if you threaten our peace, we’ll light you up like the 4th of July! I am well aware that this kind of thinking is an obscenity to the liberal mind. I get that. Liberals would prefer to see millions of Americans dead in the streets before we ever ruffled a hair on a single terrorist’s head. That’s the difference between you and me.
You finish up by comparing me to Bin Laden. Interesting, isn’t it, that you spend all of your time trying to convince others that the terrorist really aren’t so bad, and then you turn around and use one of the main Islamofascist terrorists as a “yardstick of evil” to measure me against. Your screed should be required reading in every home in America. This psychosis called liberalism will get us killed if we let it!

The Mistake of Approving Robert Gates:
by PoorBensJournal, Sun Dec 24, 2006 at 12:51:37 AM EST
In very short time, it’s going to be made perfectly clear that Bush outsmarted everyone in Washington, Republican and Democrat by getting their speedy,unanimous vote confirming Robert Gates as Rumsfeld’s replacement. What were our lawmakers thinking, especially Diane Feinstein, when committing this blunder? There’s no excuse for it, not for any one person in Congress who rubber-stamped Gates prior to putting forth the effort to check him out.

There is more than a smattering of information on Mr. Gates’ past to raise a red flag. Where were our Democrats and, equally to blame, those Republicans who had distanced themselves from Bush during the elections as their only means of getting re-elected. Mr Gates, according to his critics, has been beholden to the Bush family for political favors during the presidency of Bush Sr.. How convenient for the Bushes to call in their markers at this time?

It is a well-known fact how Bush feels about an early withdrawal from Iraq. Also, we know how irrationally stubborn he is. Does anyone believe it is by coincidence that Gates, once approved, flew immediately to Iraq and met with a selected group of soldiers who were unanimous in wanting us “to remain in Iraq and complete the job.” Was it by coincidence that the entire press had been alerted and on hand to video the whole thing? And how about the military heads in Washington who only yesterday believed Iraq was a lost effort but today think otherwise?

The whole point of this is to take seriously the will of the American people. Over 60% of our people had shown support of those candidates committed to downsizing our military role in Iraq, in an expedient and responsible manner. The American people having made their decision voted accordingly.

With people like Harry Reid, who is to be our new Senate Majority Leader, not to have publicly spoken out against Bush’s unpopular and irrational plan of continuing our involvement in Iraq gives me cause for alarm concerning Mr. Reid’s own ability to lead. The American people want us out as soon as possible. Our Democrat controlled Congress must stick to the promise it gave to the American people. At best, Congress should certainly not give Bush his way and, instead, only agree that we ratchet-down our military presence as quickly, and as it is reasonably possible to do so and then get out.

(Signed)
Poor Bens Journal (here 59)

Hondo,

I appreciate you responding to the unsubstantial portion of my comments.  I did though offer you the opportunity to engage in honest, factual debate with me on any of the issues you cited - emotional and partisan arguments unwelcome.  Bush being a fascist, the war on terror or the war in Iraq (whether or not you think they are one in the same), domestic agenda… whatever.  Maybe you’re just bating folks with over-the-top rhetoric to get your kicks, but the one thing I can’t allow to go unchallenged is your assertion that my opinions are not based on fact reason or logic. Its definitely beneficial for everyone here to have an alternate viewpoint to challenge their own, - otherwise your just preaching to the choir - but I was trying to point out that you really make no effort to defend your position with any logic or facts whatsoever.  If you would, please present some facts upon which your opinions are based!

It’s past time to stop Bush, Cheney, and all despots in this administration. It is up to the American people to say ‘no’ to these crack heads, until they get the message of the people.
If we put Bush and every other dictator on this planet, on an Island, and none could leave until they all agree on a fair democracy for citizens of their respective countries, our problems would be solved, as we would never hear from any of them again.
Time for each of you to write your senators, newspapers, march against the tyranny, until we turn our country in the right direction.

Hondo, you’re behind the times already; the buzz phrase is no longer, “stay the course”, but rather ” the way forward”. Haven’t you been paying attention to Mad King George?

Dear Eleanore (comment #43599)

You said,
“... what is Bush’s mission, well we all know, that he is not interested in spreading democracy ... most of the middle-class have exited Iraq, and the remaining population have become criminally insane committing grotesque acts of violence in a WAR OF REVENGE.”

Agree, WE ALL KNOW!

You said,
“... is it possible that the intent of those “businessmen” in the White House was anarchy ...”

Possible? I think PRECISELY!

You said,
“... so long live ExxonMobil, Chevron, Shell and ConocoPhillips ... hail to the thief’s.”

Exactly.

You quote Mussolini,
“Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of State and corporate power.”

Couldn’t agree more, and couldn’t have said it better, so thanks for proving my point ...

WE KNOW THAT! So what’s wrong with US?
My goodness people ...
WHAT’S WRONG WITH US?
With the emphasis on ...
WHY DO WE ALLOW THIS TO CONTINUE?

This isn’t a conservative versus liberal thing anymore. This has become a NATIONAL SANITY versus POLITICAL INSANITY thing. So it seems to me we need to stop calling each other names ... at the very least stop trying to blame each other for the mess a group of rigid, cowardly politicians, their well-heeled supporters, the lobbies that own them and the smiling think-tankers who brainwash them have created for us. The simple truth is, right or left, con or lib, the war-starters who wouldn’t be caught dead actually fighting in a war (pun not intended, because this definitely is not funny) and those who only care about money and power do not care one jot or tiddle about you and me!

So again I ask, my goodness people ... what’s wrong with us? Why do we allow this to continue?

BECAUSE WE CAN STOP IT YOU KNOW!

That is if we can grow up enough to remove the barrier the Conservative power holders have placed in the road ... the one that says everything bad is the fault of the Liberals. Do I need to point out the Conservatives have been in control since 2001? How, by any stretch of reality can anyone blame the Liberals for the mess we find ourselves in after six years of absolute Conservative Republican control?

WE ARE THE PEOPLE and WE are getting screwed royally and only WE can stop it, so ...
WHY DO WE ALLOW THIS TO CONTINUE?

Stay what course?  There is no “course”!  The president has no plan, and the voters called his bluff on November 7th.  He got us into this, he and his nutball neocon cohorts, but he doesn’t know how to get us out.  He’s just like the little boy who bravely climbs a tree despite the cautions of wiser heads, and then can’t get down again.  Our troops are performing magnificently, and dying miserably, despite having no real concept of what their overall mission is, ultimately, since no one can articulate it for them.  Oh, that’s right, the Bush administration can’t divulge their plan, even to the troops, because that would tip off the “enemy” and spoil the surprise.  We can’t and won’t keep sacrificing our young people and treasure to an open-ended conflict just to give Mr. Bush a “victory” that neither he nor his misguided crew can define.  The Iraqis will never “step up” until we make it clear to them that we are “stepping down” and just when that will occur.  If the insurgents, if there are any left that can really be called that, want to wait to unleash what is constantly being touted as some terrible, overwhelming onslaught when we’re gone, then the Iraqi security forces will just have to train and prepare for that.  It seems to me, however, that they aren’t waiting for that, and more to the point, the Shiite and Sunni civil warriors are paying no attention to whether we are there or not.  They kill one another with impunity, and we can do nothing about it.  I sincerely hope that, if the misguided “McCain Solution” of a troop “surge” is tried that it succeeds sufficiently to satisfy Mr. Bush’s “fuzzy logic” concept of victory, so that he can allow those brave men and women to come home.

Posted by Hondo(#43478):

“3. Polly, Kwagmyre, and Missy—you all call me crazy, but you don’t offer facts, logic, or reason to refute anything I said. Typical!”

What a waste of time that is since you’re so obviously impervious to the facts and logic presented by everyone EXCLUDING YOU!

You’re just the resident pest on this thread trying to get everyone’s goat.

It doesn’t matter what you think. It doesn’t matter what the American electorate thinks…or what the Iraqi people want…
Bush is bringing *DEMOCRACY* to Iraq, by gum.

Baker is such a piece of shit. Remember when everyone was saying that the votes should be counted during the 2000 election and he got up there and said “this is a sad day for DEMOCRACY.” What a santimonious asshole. He knew Bush jr. was a total alcoholic moron and helped him steal the election anyway, posing as an elder statesman. The fact that he gets such good press for his whitewash Iraq Study group shows how compromised our media is.

EVAQ IRAQ?

YES!

(get this on magnet, button or sticker at http://www.cafepress.com/sarigraphics)

Correction from my post #43102:  We are currently at 6 billion worldwide population.  The emininent biologist, ecologist, author and Harvard professor, E.O. Wilson, stated in 2000 that he believes that our population will burgeon and be at 8 billion in 2 decades.  Stating that in 2000 means by 2020. billion.http://dir.salon.com/story/people/feature/2000/04/22/eowilson/index.html

“WE KNOW THAT! So what’s wrong with US?
My goodness people ...
WHAT’S WRONG WITH US?
WHY DO WE ALLOW THIS TO CONTINUE?”

Toby,

Nothing is wrong with us, at a recent press conference last week, Bush, was asked if it makes a difference that more than 60 percent of Americans are against the war in Iraq and he basically said, it did not—-he was going to finish the “mission.”  Well let’s think about that comment—-what is Bush’s mission, well we all know, that he is not interested in spreading democracy—-most of the middle-class have exited Iraq, and the remaining population have become criminally insane committing grotesque acts of violence in a WAR OF REVENGE.

So, what was the purpose of bombing Baghdad into a heap of ruble and creating a population incapable of self-government—-is it possible that the intent of those “businessmen” in the White House was anarchy, laying the groundwork for the installation of a new “Strong Man”—a new and improved Saddam—-the puppet for the moment—-a Gumby figure so malleable, that even the most deficient puppeteer could manipulate; a Gumby that will never nationalize Iraq’s oil or threaten the U.S. currency by dealing in the Euro—-so long live ExxonMobil, Chevron, Shell and ConocoPhillips—hail to the thief’s. 

“It always amazes me how much fiction appears on this site. Reagan was right when he said that liberalism is the passionate belief in things that just aren’t so. Let’s take the liberal lies one at a time.”

And yes, Hondo the court jester, is amusing and useful, his Archie Bunker political commentaries and zany rhetoric offers direct insights into the wacky world of the White House, where they love to stir “turds.”  Unfortunately, after these loons finish playing with their feces,  progressives will be called to clean the soiled asylum walls.

Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of State and corporate power.”

Benito Mussolini (1883-1945), Fascist Dictator of Italy

RE:  •    Comment #43478 by Hondo  on  12/22  at  10:37 pm — “...head out, Jackie, and look at http://www.cdi.org/terrorism/chronology.cfm Does that look like stories about the Easter Bunny?”

>>>>>>>head be way more out than yours, Hondo

Much of what’s listed there is FALSE FLAG TERROR run by your favorite whipping boy al CIA-duh whose operatives are usually protected by well-placed moles — not intelligence “failures,” stunning intelligence “successes.” And there’s your bleeding Easter Bunny.  Useful fool be you, Hondo, cramming it, as does the corporate-bought-and-sold MSM, down everyones throats, to reinforce the MYTH that set the pretext for the endless WAR OF TERRROR; the one Cheney keeps telling us, over and over, again and again, we’ll be fighting for a hundred years.  Which is exactly why the only way out is to INVESTIGATE! INDICT! PROSECUTE AND EXECUTE! — the lot of these Straussian, Strangelove madmen, driven by Nietzchien cravings for endless war…to waste the blood of your children and millions of innocents around the world, to salvage their collapsing petro-arms-drugs-dollar.

Beware one and all of any WMD incident anywhere in the world. If and when, don’t look to the cave, bin Laden, the laptop; don’t look to the Axis of Evil. Look to Cheney and Cheney’s handlers.

Reminder: educate yourselves about FALSE FLAG TERRORISM — oldest trick in the book. Trolls like Hondo know this and their mission is either to humiliate or stimulate — either way, if you have not done so, please check the most insightful analysis on the history of state-sponsored terror; executed in almost every case to set pretexts for war:

A/V
http://www.911busters.com/New_911_Evidence/WMV/Webster_Tarpley_NYC.wmv

audio only
http://www.911busters.com/New_911_Evidence/MP3/Webster_Tarpley_NYC.html

Mike, there are no DEMOCRATS in Iraq.  There aren’t even any Iraqis in Iraq.  They are tribalists Shite and Sunnie who hate each other, have been fighting for 1400 years and will continue to do so for another 1400 years and there is not a thing we can do about it.  We just escalated the situation by going in there to steal their oil, so now they are pointing their guns, etc. at us.  We are in the middle and are killing “Iraqis”, not terrorists, despite what Bush wants to call them.  He just keeps changing the names of things.  What is to be gained by us getting out?  American lives, that’s what.  Far too many innocents have already died because of the facists in the White House.  Grandpappy Prescott was a war profiteer who propped up Hitler, Inc., George H continued the policy by selling arms and WMD to Saddam and now the little shrub thinks he must carry on the family legacy.  Only he’s not capable of doing anything but lying, cheating and stealing.  The first rule of holes, when you find yourself in one, stop digging, but Dumbo just wants a bigger shovel.

Mike, in Comment #43523, you ask the question that I have longed to hear from someone—anyone—on this thread. In that one, simple, concise question, Mike showed more intelligence and more intellectual honesty than all of the other “commenters” combined. The short answer to his question is that America’s surrender in Iraq won’t benefit anyone, except for the tyrants and murderers that want to destroy America and Israel, and who the lunatic left is so in love with. That’s why we have to stay and fight (dare I say, stay the course!).

Robert is quite correct. (Comment # 43265 by Robert)
Everyone should watch the Democracy Now segment he refers to.
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/12/21/143259
The paragraphs he quotes could leave some to believe Scott Ritter does not know or like Israel.
That is not the case. Watch the entire discussion. Appears to me what Ritter doesn’t like is the fact that an Israeli Lobby has far to much influence on our congress and administration, which in turn affects our national interests and that’s not good for us.

If we were to discover a lobby set up and supported by oh, say Saudi Arabia, had acquired enough power within our government to cause decisions to be made that placed their national interests above our own do you think we might be a little bent out of shape? Particularly if they were counting on us to start and fight a war for them?

Anyone who has been paying attention must recognize the potential danger when Lobbies have so much power they can influence the decisions and actions of elected officials. Not only does this imperil the governance of our country, but it leads to massive corruption. Hello ... why did so many send the republicans packing?

Watch the entire show. http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/12/21/143259

Our elected officials owe their allegiance to we the people, protecting and defending our Constitution (I know they’ve done a pretty lousy job of that lately) our nation and avoiding political entanglements that lead us into fighting a war for someone else. The mystery to many is how this Israeli Lobby has been able to gain so much influence over our government. Money that buys votes? Possibly, but with the confirmation last week, (with Israel’s admission) they have nuclear weapons, maybe it’s simple fear. The habit of listening to the Israeli lobby ahead of listening to us, or even simple common sense, and possibly attacking Iran could be guided by the fear that if we don’t Israel may use Nukes to put Iran out of commission.

But our own dear war prez has been busy resurrecting nukes for years. Anybody paying attention? And he’s made no secret about his Bunker Busters with nuclear warheads. ANYBODY PAYING ATTENTION? And wouldn’t Iran be just a perfect place to see if they work?

I wish the problem was that simple and uncomplicated. The wonder is that we think anything will change, just because we want it too. Here we are, we know our congress voted to support torture. TORTURE! We know our congress voted to weaken our Constitution and the Bill of Rights. We know they know the war in Iraq was based on a lie. We know they know we are losing that war, and we know they know Iran DOES NOT HAVE A VIABLE NUCLEAR WEAPON, but they are all perfectly willing and anxious to attack Iran. We know what the administration wants. We know how eagerly the congress leaps to attention and says OK ....

WE KNOW THAT! So what’s wrong with US?
My goodness people ...
WHAT’S WRONG WITH US?
WHY DO WE ALLOW THIS TO CONTINUE?

As someone who wants the Iraqi DEMOCRATS to win and the U.S. and pro-Democracy forces to win in the Middle East I really don’t understand the desire to turn Iraq back over to tyrants and murderers.

Can someone answer how that helps anyone?

Can any one tell me. Is there any intelligent, life left on the planet earth? Why are we sending all these young men to die in Iraq? for what? to bring down saddam ? Who was hiding in A hole in the ground? For oil? Who do we turn to in this time of crisis.

It always amazes me how much fiction appears on this site. Reagan was right when he said that liberalism is the pasionate belief in things that just aren’t so. Let’s take the liberal lies one at a time.
1. Jackie says Islamofascism is a myth. Wow! Pull your head out, Jackie, and look at http://www.cdi.org/terrorism/chronology.cfm
Does that look like stories about the Easter Bunny?
2. Phillip accuses the Bush administration of orchestrating 9/11 and says Osama had nothing to do with the attack. Please report to Nurse Ratchet, Phil—it’s medication time!
3. Polly, Kwagmyre, and Missy—you all call me crazy, but you don’t offer facts, logic, or reason to refute anything I said. Typical!
4. Mike W.—You say that Iraq posed no threat to us. Are you calling all of these people liars—John Kerry, Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, Bob Graham, Henry Waxman, Al Gore, Jay Rockefeller, Robert “KKK” Byrd, Ted “The Swim Coach” Kennedy, Carl Levin, Madeline Not So Bright, Nancy Pelosi, Tom Daschle, Sandy Berger, Dick Gephardt, William Cohen, Jacques Chirac, Barbara Boxer Shorts, and Dianne Feinstein? Each and every one of them disagreed with you. See http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1007910/posts
Are these the “pro-war assholes” you are speaking of?
5. Moe, you are the perfect example of the “useful idiot.” You read my definition of “fascism”, you agreed with the definition, but you just can’t imagine what that has to do with radical Islam or the war on terror. Moe, I hope that you have Curly and Larry hidden in a safe place, because if, God forbid, Islamofascism would ever succeed in conquering America, you and your ilk would be the first ones killed. Yuk, yuk, yuk!
6. David, you are correct. I do use name calling as a tool. Do you know why I do that? It’s because that, whenever I post a comment on Truthdig.com, 99.9% of the inhabitants of this Cuckoo’s Nest can’t do anything more than call me dirty names. They never refute any of the points I make. That makes them wing nuts!

There are so many more liberal lies on this thread, that I just don’t have time to respond to all of them. I will close with an answer to Baudolino, though. Why do I do this? I hate dishonesty, sir, and there’s more dishonesty on this site than you can shake a stick at! I don’t at all believe that I will change the opinions of most of the regulars on this site. I do have hopes, however, that maybe one or two visitors to this site will be able to see the difference between liberal delusions and conservative reality. I have noticed some progress with a couple of the “regulars” here, so I am encouraged. Besides that——I just love to stir turds! You are so wrong, Baudilino, about nobody listening. The tin-foil-hat brigade that hangs out at Truthdig.com is tuned in to everything I say, and they just can’t help yelling back! I get a kick out of that! Bye, bye for now!

Why must we continue to capitalize the
word “god” and use it without a modifier
such as “his god, her god, their god,
Bush’s god, Obama’s god, etc.”?

Why is it that the USA are always picking on little guys, such as the Latin countries, etc.

They never have tried to remove Stalin nor Mao,
but they removed Saddam?

“What are they smoking in the Bush White House?”

Quebec Gold !!!

“after Jimmy Carter was voted out as Anti-Semite-In-Chief, he claimed as his mission on this earth the promotion of every anti-Israel group and individual in the world.”
Hondo,
Calling Jimmy Carter an anti-Semite is totally wacky—Carter is only concerned about establishing peace in the Middle East—sorry if the concept of peace seems odd to a thoughtful and spiritual guy like yourself; someone who wants to kill the entire population of Iran.

Bush can’t do anything to back out of Iraq.  If he does, the failure is his.  If he can keep it going until he is out of office, the failure will be someone elses.  Consequently he ignores the ISG recommendations and does something guaranteed (Increasing the troops) to keep it going.

Reply to Comment #43306 by Ken on 12/21 at 7:53pm

Ken “The Slyer”...your evilness will never change. Your mind & soul are infected beyond any therapy from all of zionism’s theories & teachings.

You were labeled & called by several of the people from the other forums…a fanatic zionist, a damn liar, a damn fool, you have a Bi-Polar disorder, a rabid dog that is foaming & frothing at the mouth…and much more.

You may have changed your posting name from “Ken Shreier” to “Ken”, but still your deceptive & evil ways are transparent to the people of TRUTH on this & other forums.

Ken “The Slyer”...you stated the following on another forum a couple of days ago:

“TruthDig…if I rely on this site for “truth”..just shoot me now….”

Go right ahead “Ken The Slyer” and shoot yourself in the mouth. The TRUTH is on truthdig and Not on CNN, Fox News, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, NBC, NPR and many more of U.S. mainstream news media.

Go ahead and take that damn “IDF” uniform off; your loyalty to Israel & zionism is crushing you. You would probably shoot and kill Palestinian children just for throwing stones at their brutal “IDF” occupiers. 100’s of your IDF buddies have done it so many times & are still doing it.

Truthdig is exposing your Apartheid state of Israel, AIPAC, and your zionism for their lack of respect to Human Rights, UN Resolutions, International Law, Geneva Convention Articles & much more.

Ken The Slyer…the TRUTH will always face you and knock you down where you really belong.

TRUTH & JUSTICE WILL PREVAIL!

RE:    •    Comment #43358 by Hondo  on  12/22  at  7:49 am — “Ken, you are so right. Unfortunately, there is a whole lot of Anti-Semitism going on at Truthdig.”

>>> you’re both so wrong

The Middle East is populated entirely by semitic peoples who worship in Abrahamic traditions. Religion and the notion of race as a divisive issue are essentially manipulative tools, used to foment hatred and fear, most seriously through false flag terror and more modestly by provocateurs like Ken and Hondo.

Gates ran the CIA when, through Pakistan’s ISI, they set up the Mujahidin to kick Russia out of Afghanistan. They’ve been running bin Laden ever since, using al Queda to instigate a strategy of tension wherever they want to disrupt local and regional politics. Zionists have been doing the same thing since they bombed the King David Hotel and hung it on Palestinians. Black-ops/psy-ops are so thick in the Middle East, it’s virtually impossible to know what terror is being done by which operatives and to what end.

The overarching goal is clearly to fail all states except Israel. Demoralize and humiliate their populations — remove them as political entities of any import, leaving the global oligarchs to rule as they did before WWII through compliant puppets.

The horribly cynical weapon of false flag terror must be exposed and broken before their faces — rendered impotent for all time. While it is still so widely used all political initiatives are distorted beyond purposeful recognition. It is widely recognized in the Middle East, including Isreal. Many Israelis live themselves in fear of MOSSAD black-ops/psy-ops — http://www.israelshamir.net/shamirImages/Shamir/FalseFlag.htm

OK, Hondo, keep drinking the koolaid until they come for you.  Liberals are the only ones name calling??  You must not read your own right wing press..see Ann Coulter, Bill Kristol, etc. and your own “liberal wing nuts”,“wacky libs”, “mad-dog” “psychopathic”, “lunatic left”, all in one post!  Now observe your hero’s latest edict - “I will listen to the generals on the ground”, so they speak, and he says “withdrawal is unacceptable”.  Unacceptable is him and his war-proiteer buddies.  Sending another carrier to the Persian Gulf is his way of sticking pins in Iran trying to provoke them so he will have an excuse to pull out the nukes.  What he doesn’t understand is nuclear war will be the end of the planet, so where is the profit in that?  He can’t see beyond the tip of his nose.  So much for C-students!

Hondo,

Your comments are hypocrital at best.  You state, “When I post comments on this site, I use facts, logic and reason to support my arguments. Liberals can’t use facts, because the facts are against them, and logic and reason are completely foreign concepts to liberals”.  You also talk about “liberal” name calling and in the same breath you call others “liberal wing nuts”.  In fact logic, reason and facts are about the only things your post is void of. Your definition of fascism may be the right one, but apparently you fail to realize that every single concept in that definition CAN be applied to the current president and his right-wing brethern (i’d be happy to list, point by point, exactly how this is so).  Your argument against Bush being a fascist consists only of your assertion that you never applied the same lable on Clinton.  Hardly a logical argument.  You then procede to lay out the Hondo plan for international diplomacy.  Flatten and destroy everything in your path.  That may seem reasonable and/or logical to you but personally that sounds to me like the rationale of an ape on acid. International diplomacy and foriegn policy has slightly different standards than Wrestlemania. The sad truth is, is that you are an extremist.  The difference between moderates like myself and radical right wingers like you is that you are an extremist with the same mind frame as the “Islamofascists”.  Do as I say or be anihilated.  Hondo said this and so did Zawahiri just yesterday. “Terrorists” want us out of their land, and to achieve this objective they use murderous force.  You don’t want leave their lands, so you propose using murderous force. Extremists don’t care how many innocent people’s lives they destroy in order to acheive their objective, and neither do you (see the Iraq War).  Rational, intelligent responsible people achieve goals in ways so as to inflict the least amount of harm to individuals, nations and the world, while still meeting the ends desired.  Reckless, ignorant (psychopathic?) people act without regard to any other interest than their own and achieve their ends utilizing the least amount of brain power as possible - brute force is of course the extreme. It is truly this extremism that is at the center of the issue - at home and abroad. And people like our president, Hondo and bin Laden should be kept as far away from the reigns of power as is possible before they anihilate our planet.  We need people who are actually rational, logical, and intelligent.

Got to love that Hondo! He certainly keeps things lively in this thread! (Until he and his can finally devour the world with the complete and ending conflagration of a religious world war.)
I think it important the he is allowed his diatribe so we North Americans can better understand the propaganda that allows us our petty little killing episodes meant for world oil domination.
He also is an excellent exhibit of the propaganda used for making up the completely racist, bloody, apartheid, Zionist takeovers, of other people’s lands.
I am glad he is here to spout his murderous bellicosity. No one could exhibit a better example of what we must truly be united in working against. Thank you Hondo!
Kudos to Comment #43281 by A khokar Comment and #43102 by WMWoodward Thanks for the history, the reasoning, hope we can all learn from it.
Kudos to Comment #43265 by Robert, a really important read, and never mind the Zionist speaking his lies against you, that is all they have.

For Beth’s information, the term Islamofascist was coined by someone called Nick Cohen of the New Statesman magazine (London)and I have a little anecdote about it.
  This was few years back when Bin Laden’s picture appeared on the cover of this magazine with Mussolinis uniform with his arm and hand stretched in a fascist salute. Since I didn’t understand how a corporative Mussolini’s system fit into muslim religion, I sent a letter to the editor to ask for clarification. I did add that, since we are stretching definitions to a breaking point, what Israel does could comfortably be called as Judeonazism.
Well, neither the editors (who normally send their polite “regrets” for “lack of space”) nor Nick aknowledged my letter. I apparently stepped upon their taboo- sarcasm about Israel’s image.
Of course, I dropped my suscription.
And, speaking about “antisemitisms”, I have come to the conclusion that there are two sorts of it. One is unacceptable when it stems from racism or religious bigotry. The other, which is based on Israel’s behaviour is totally justified.
The latter is proportional to the crimes committed by Israel, which means it will disappear when Israel stops its bestial acts.
And, let the Jews rant and rave as much as they want to, that they are the same thing. We can’t permit that our freedom of thought and expression depends on their prejudices.

One can only thank Iraqi people for their courageous resistance to forces of judeofascism. Judeofascists are the cancer of the middle east and one of the greatest ills affecting humanity today.

Why do all of these rabid right-wing neo-con clowns come here to truthdig (a leftist site) and post in the comments section?  Do you think it will somehow make a difference or persuade someone who reads the articles here that your point of view is more sensible?  It won’t.  Nobody cares what you have to say.  I’d call it laughable, but it’s just sad and a little bit scary that you are so delusional and that you argue and obsess about politics and world events like you’re rooting for the home team at a football game. You are “fans” of the Republican or “conservative” political agenda (regardless of how often it changes and contradicts itself) - what an extremely sophisticated world view!  Everything boiled down to “Tastes Great!  Less Filling!” ... 

You must just enjoy getting into pissing matches with those whom you identify as the ideological opposition - they are the opposing team, and you play them every week.  Well, fire away, you brave and stalwart “lap-top bombardiers” - scream yourselves hoarse and go red in the face with righteous indignation because reality won’t conform itself to fit your juvenile fantasies and then cry yourselves to sleep at night because everybody else is so wrong and you are so so right. 

Nobody is listening.

On Hondo’s definition of fascism and how it applies to Islam:

Hondo’s definition of fascism is precise and correct, which is why it also shows that he knows absolutely nothing about Islam, and that why Islamo-fascism is fictional.

In Islam - Sunni or Shi’ite - any set of two people or more can and do form a group operating INDEPENDENT OF GOVERNMENT. You go to any Islamic country, and you will find tens of thousands of such organizations.

Shi’ites, in particular, have many ayatollahs with large followers. They operate INDEPENDENT of the government and the central authority. In Iran, for example, we have many ayatollahs that are totally against the central government, a supposedly religious dictatorship akin to Islamo-fascism. There is nothing that the government can do about them.

In Iran’s most recent elections last Friday, despite the best effort of the government, people voted overwhelmingly against it. The ayatollahs can also issue fatwas - religious order and opinion - but a fatwa by one is not necessarily endorsed by others or by the government, or even by the his followers.

There are many radical Islamic organizations around the world, from Indonesia, to Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Palestine, Egypt, Algeria, etc. There are also cells of Islamic radicals in Europe. No one claims that they have organic connections. If there is such a thing as Islamo-fascism, i.e., the existence of an all important central authority with absolute loyalty by its followers, why do we so many of them? Many of these do not see eye to eye on many issues. Example: Hamas and Islamic Jihad in Palestine, Iraq’s Al Queda and the original one; Hezbollah and Amal in Lebanon, etc.

Osama bin Laden has “succeeded” not because he commands absolute loyalty from his followers, like a true facist, but the opposite: He talks in broad terms about his “ideas,” but lets his followers interpret and/or implement them anyway they want. That is why if he disappears today (we are not certain that he still alive, in fact), it will not mean that Al Queda will disappear.

All of these only go to show that Islamo-fascism is only a sick product of the still sicker neocons’ brains (and we have no firm evidence that they do have brains).

So, since you pride yourself in talking rationally and with logic, Hondo, next time when you come forward to talk about your imaginary Islamo-fascism, you had better come forward well-informed and studied. As things stand, you know absolutely nothing about Islam.

So many of these goofballs talk of “liberal” appeasers opposing the war but, in fact, opposing this miserable affair is the most conservative thing a person can do. 

What is conservative about attacking a country that posed no threat to the USA?  What is conservative about spending 1 trillion dollars to bring democracy to a country that doesn’t even want it?

I am so damn ashamed that I voted for Bush in 2000.  He is a pathetic puppet of his advisers, rats like Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Feith, Perle and many more.  Chickenhawk SOBs who always thought that fighting in a war was something someone else did.

I spent 4 years in the USMC.  If I were of enlistment age today I would never do it.  New recruits are just feeding this idiocy.

I am a Republican and fear that Bush’s war will enable the Democrats to gain the White House.  Where will we be then - a White House full of “liberal” appeasers.

You pro-war assholes make me sick.

Democracy, like religion, should not be forced upon a society by the sword (or in this century the gun). If the populations of the Middle East want to be ruled by theocratic dictators, even though it may be repugnant to Westerners, they have to live there. We don’t. When they are ready for a change, they will initiate it. They don’t need, and obviously don’t want, us doing it for them. All American combat armed foreces should be withdrawn from Iraq today.

Ken, you are so right. Unfortunately, there is a whole lot of Anti-Semitism going on at Truthdig. I have come to believe that, after Jimmy Carter was voted out as Anti-Semite-In-Chief, he claimed as his mission on this earth the promotion of every anti-Israel group and individual in the world. His hate has spread to the rest of the radical left.

Comment #43306 by Ken on 12/21 at 7:53 pm

COMMENT 43265 - “Robert”, as he calls himself, is either a Nazi, KKK, Radical Muslim or just plain Jew hater who is now spreading his garbage to this forum.
He has a paranoia/phobia problem that Jews are the cause of all the problems in the world.
Just see all his posts on the different forums.
He should seek psychiatric help.
Sorry Robert, I had to inform them of your propaganda mission of hate against a people who have been fighting for their survival throughout history.
Bye Pal, they got your number now.

It’s the pot calling the kettle black….Robert, Ken is in your company, as he’s been busted for the same and is just emulating what’s been done to him.

Comment #43283 by Hondo on 12/21 at 6:21 pm

Yes, Hondo…now may I offer you professional counseling?  Your Shared Bush reality/ideology and your hate obsession concerning liberals can be alleviated with some therapeutic techniques.

Posted by Hondo(#43283):

. “We officially declare war on the forces of Islamofascism, and we put the Bush Doctrine on steroids so that all radical Islam terrorist organizations worldwide know that we will destroy them by any means necessary.”

Well, with a view like THAT, I certainly wouldn’t want to put YOU on steroids!

“We tell Iran and Syria to IMMEDIATELY pull all support out of Iraq, or we turn Damascus and Tehran into parking lots. Then we give them one week to comply before pulling the trigger. We quit trying to muzzle Israel’s right to self defense.”

Hondo,
Here is one fact no one can deny, Beth and Moe are right you’re nuts—only a nut would eagerly want genocide in the name of OIL—-the term “Islamofascism”; was probably coined by a sociopath.

If we wish to get out of the Middle East, all we must do focus back to September 11, 2001, and conduct a real investigation.  Osama bin Laden
had nothing to do with the US Northwoods plan or 9-11.  The Bush regime needed their “Pearl Harbor” to pull off their pre-planned invasions in both Afganistan and Iraq.  They do not intend to stop until they have all of the Middle East or until we are utterly defeated:  or until we expose them and give them proper disposition.

The idiotic comment by “Ken” (#43306), as he calls himself, is a prime example of how the Hasbara-poisoned mind lashes out at anyone who criticises Israel.

What are we learning from history:

take a joker like Hitler. We all feel smug that now that it has happened we have learned something. It won’t happen again.

Well, perhaps not with the same uniforms. With slightly different ones for sure.

Take this turd bush. You would think after he craps out there may be elected a human for the job. Perhaps. But the shit head is sure coming back with a slightly different grin later!

How to approach this recurring problem?

If the West has a solution I would like to hear about it. The only solution I could think of is somewhat of an Eastern flavor:

Shit is beautiful! Take advantage of it and enjoy as long as it is possible.

Here we go again, another neocon named Moe Hare is here spewing the usual neocon propaganda:  Anyone who criticizes Israel or AIPAC is anti-semitic, KKK and probably hates Jesus too. 

How predictable.  Why do you hate America Moe? 

Thanks to Ken for pointing out something that is becoming increasingly obvious, that AIPAC and other lobbying groups are heavily supported by the Israeli government.  These lobbying/pressure groups are attempting and, in the case of AIPAC, are succeeding in influencing US policies. 

I realize in pointing this out that certain rethuglicons will falsely accuse me of being anti-semitic (this is apparently their method of silencing those who expose the obvious regarding AIPAC and other Israeli pressure groups), but that is not true.  Pointing out the facts regarding AIPAC and ‘the Lobby’ as well as Israel does not make one anti-semitic any more than supporting Bush makes someone a patriotic American. 

While we are on the subject, could one of you neocon thugs, in between breathlessly accusing everyone else of treason, anti-semitism, sedition and not supporting the troops, please explain why we give approximately 1/5 of our foreign aid budget to Israel every year?  Israel is one of the strongest industrial countries in that region with a per capita income equal to Spain or South Korea, hardly an impoverished nation.  I thought you little rethuglicons were against foreign aid and welfare. 

While we’re on the subject, tell us why we give Israel some of our most advanced weaponry?  Anyone remember when our “ally” Israel tried to sell our AWACS technology to China(the deal was scuttled by the Congress in 2001)?  Oh wait, I know, you rethugnicons will mention LORAL sales of missile technology as if two wrongs make a right.  Sorry Moe, we got your number too. 

Why do you hate America Moe and more importantly, what did YOU do in the war?

RE: •    Comment #42983 by Hondo  on  12/20  at  7:38 am — “...ultimately, history will judge him on how good a job he did in fighting Islamofascism.”

>>>>> ultimately

history will identify “Islamofascism” for the MYTH that it is; just as the myth of “Monolithic Communism” has been dispelled.

So will al Queda but equated with Gladio, the false flag CIA/MI-6 black-ops/psy-ops state-sponsored shadow organ that terrorized Europe at the height of the cold war in an effort to taint all Communist Party members, especially in Italy, where they had legitimately won Parliament seats and a right to participate in the government. The most high profile operation was the kidnapping and murder of Italian Prime Minister Aldo Moro, by the Red Brigade, later fully exposed as a Gladio cell — all fully documented in Italian Parliament hearings ca. 1990 and fully researched in Webster G. Tarpley’s “Chi ha ucciso Aldo Moro? - Who Killed Aldo Moro?”

In Europe it was called The Strategy of Tension. It’s now the Global War of Terror. The terror is always real, but the terrorists are mostly puppets, mostly unwitting. Until false flag terror is effectively defeated, its distortions on global politics will render any serious efforts at peace almost impossible.

I strongly recommend this serious, historically-based, well-researched lecture on false flag terror, based on Tarpley’s book “911 Synthetic Terror - Made in USA.”

A/V
http://www.911busters.com/New_911_Evidence/WMV/Webster_Tarpley_NYC.wmv

audio only
http://www.911busters.com/New_911_Evidence/MP3/Webster_Tarpley_NYC.html

Bush does not see himself as a dictator.  He believes that he has been chosen by the Almighty to conduct a global war on terror, and that end justifies any means: torture, denial of habeas corpus, indefinite incarceration of U. S. citizens, illegal wiretaps, and the invasion and occupation of another sovereign nation to preempt the possibility of its taking actions against our national interests.  We will not, as one person has suggested, “reduce Damascus and Tehran to parking lots.”  We will not be able to “make it so painful” that terrorists and those directing them will leave us alone.  You can’t possibly do that to people who are willing to blow themselves up.  “Victory” will be declared by President Bush at whatever point the generals convince him that we can either get out in 140,000 pieces, or commit another 30,000 “pieces” in an all-out assault on militia strongholds in Baghdad, get bogged down, and have to fight our way out of Iraq.  The Maliki government will never allow us to attack its buddies, the Mahdi army, loyal to Muqtadr al Sadr.  We will inevitably get out, sooner, at less cost, or later, at a terrible cost, leaving a strengthened Iran and Syria, a moribund Iraq dissolving into ethnic enclaves, and an even more afflicted and therefore more belligerent Israel.  Meanwhile, the Taliban will continue to dominate enclaves in Afghanistan, and the international cooperation against terror evident immediately post 9/11 will remain lost because of Mr. Bush’s “go it alone” machismo and misguided Iraq vendetta/adventure.  All the “nuke em’” posturing will have no effect on the real islamic extremists, because they are not present in the large population centers that would make effective nuclear targets.  They won’t be disrupted by conventional warfare tactics in their “assymetrical” campaign to do western civilization harm.  Jingoistic hyperbole just demonstrates the total lack of any understanding of the world situation as it stands.

STOP THE ATROCITIES…STOP THE WAR CRIMES…NOW

because the world can’t wait—Drive Out the Bush Regime!
Get involved. http://www.WORLDCANTWAIT.org

COMMENT 43265 - “Robert”, as he calls himself, is either a Nazi, KKK, Radical Muslim or just plain Jew hater who is now spreading his garbage to this forum.
He has a paranoia/phobia problem that Jews are the cause of all the problems in the world.
Just see all his posts on the different forums.
He should seek psychiatric help.
Sorry Robert, I had to inform them of your propaganda mission of hate against a people who have been fighting for their survival throughout history.
Bye Pal, they got your number now.

Beth asks, in Comment #43170, “Why doesn’t someone respond to Hondo?” I’ll tell you, Beth. When I post comments on this site, I use facts, logic and reason to support my arguments. Liberals can’t use facts, because the facts are against them, and logic and reason are completely foreign concepts to liberals. That’s why.
There were a few of you who actually raised important points, as opposed to the oh-so-juvenile name calling that most liberals resort to, so I will address those points.
I was asked if I knew what fascism was. I certainly do, but not very many of you do. Fascism is a system of government marked by centralization of authority under dictatorial rule, strict socioeconomic controls, suppression and/or elimination of any opposition through terror and censorship, and a national policy of terroristic nationalism, racism and religious intolerance. If you can’t see how that applies to radical Islam, and if you still don’t see the truth contained in the term “Islamofascism,” then you need more help than I am professionally able to provide you with.
Many of you applied the term “fascism” to the Bush administration. You see, that is the difference between me and you. I would never have thought to apply that term to Pres. Clinton, even though I sharply disagreed with all of his policies and with his behavior. I have never thought that Clinton was a bad guy. He was a bad president, but he seems like an OK guy. You wacky liberals, though, hate Bush with a hatred that is psychopathic. That’s the only explanation I can think of for saying something so breathtakingly stupid as “Bush is a fascist.” Look at the above definition, liberal wing nuts!
Someone in this thread said, “define victory.” OK, I will. Victory will have been achieved when Islamofascism leaves us alone because we make it so horribly painful for them to attack us. How is that accomplished? We tell Iran and Syria to IMMEDIATELY pull all support out of Iraq, or we turn Damascus and Tehran into parking lots. Then we give them one week to comply before pulling the trigger. We quit trying to muzzle Israel’s right to self defense. The next time they are attacked by Hamas, or any other anti-Semitic terrorist organization, we assist Israel in the complete annihilation of that terrorist organization. We officially declare war on the forces of Islamofascism, and we put the Bush Doctrine on steroids so that all radical Islam terrorist organizations worldwide know that we will destroy them by any means necessary. We monitor all communication between international terrorist sources and people in America, just as outlined in Clinton’s Executive Order #12949 (how does that treat you, all you mad-dog Bush haters?). That is how we keep America safe. That is how we preserve the right of lunatic left wing psychos to call Bush dirty names on truthdig.com. That is how we make the world safe for democracy.

It is a spent cartridge
   
After the fall of Ottoman empire, Muslims had to leave Europe and they made a retreat back to their capitals; repenting. It was a colossal set back. The retreating armies were badly bruised and bleeding. At this stage some very new reformist Islamic movements emerged in Muslim world and came up with new forms of self blame repentance dispose; to seek forgiveness from God and travel into ones inner self to purify the maligned soul; and regain the lost glory of Muslim Empire.

This self pity and self blame repentance induced a state of hibernation in the masses. Organisations like Akhwan-e- muslamoun of Egypt stayed at the top. All worldly interests were abandoned. Arts, advance education and research and development works in modern technology were thrown away. Muslim masses went into self deprivation and inhalation. No education, arts, no technology and a dearth of jobs and capital, made the common man impoverished and destitute. Where as other world; after WWII had started advancing leaps and bounds.

European colonial forces as a result of WWII; were forced to withdraw from their colonies and they fell back home, in Europe. Muslim World in Middle East also got some relief; they found them self freed and independent; but their badly demarked boundaries under colonial Raj left; once a cohesive and united societies split; their economies corrupted; headed by brutal despot dictators as rulers, imposed upon them. The colonial land divisions resulted into many land disputes and left many many tribes and countries as; arch enemies of each other.
We all know that anarchy, chaos and mismanagement spread in the third world countries are the aftermath of colonial era. The colonial rulers were out in these countries to subjugate and oppress the simple, naïve and defenceless masses. The perpetrators; sucked away all their viable energies and forcibly squeezed and took away the assets.

Soon after in fifties, when the discovery of oil and its connected industry was about to get its foot hold in Middle East; the former colonial powers now with the new names and new flags as; Western powers started showing eager ness to come back. Oil is the life line of western industrial world and they started moving in to exploit the impoverished and creeping in rags economies of disillusioned Islamic world; to grab and control their energy resources.

Even the donkey cart driver of Middle East is well aware of it that the old colonial powers under their new denominations; once again want to revisit to subjugate them and take away their oil resources and leave them bare.

This time a scheme of fallacy and deception is very skilfully devised by the US-Neocons. In accordance with the plan; all the oil pit owners; countries of the area have either been declared ‘axis of evil’ or ‘terrorists’. On the divisive false pretexts a war of inhalation with the name of; ‘Global war on terror’ is on. Three years back Iraq was invaded on the same false pretext. After Israel; As per plan, the first anchorage is being established in Iraq. Although, in Iraq, this phase of US exploitation is currently proving to be very precarious; but it has to be neutralised at any cost. Victory in Iraq to secure US mega base (anchorage) near Baghdad is must; otherwise the master Us-Neocons plan may go awry.

But now the native of Middle east; predominantly Muslims are awakened. We all have recently witnessed that how a rag-tag force, Hezbollah in Lebanon, forced the invincible mighty US backed Israeli mighty army to bog down just on the border for over a month and Hezbollah resilience made them retreat bleeding.

West must avoid approaching Middle Eastern countries with the old tricks of divide and rule and imposing or installing of some collaborator governments or despot dictators upon them. These devises are the spent cartridges and tactics involved is bound to fail miserably.
————————————————
Love for all, Hatred for none.

“What are they smoking? It’s called a “victory pipe.” Pres. Bush, unlike the modern liberal appeasers of our time, understands that the only way to achieve victory in Iraq, and the war on terror, is to eliminate Islamofascism. He understands that liberal demands to “negotiate” and “dialogue” are a roadmap to disaster and another, larger 9/11. He understands that, ultimately, history will judge him on how good a job he did in fighting Islamofascism. History won’t give two hoots about whether or not he was liked by liberals, most of whom are Hate-America lunatics.”

Hey Hondo,
You know the God that speaks to you and the Guy in the Oval office—-well, he spoke to me and said that you’re a witless nuisance, who spews bigotry, hatred and misinformation—-he also mentioned that the current occupant in the White House is making a terrible mess, and if you think this mess will lead to a holy “Rapture” you’re nuts.

For those who did not watch “Democracy Now!” with Amy Goodman today…you still can.

There was a great discussion on today’s program with Seymour Hersh, journalist for the New Yorker magazine and Scott Ritter, former UN inspector, in Iraq.

The topics were Iraq, Iran, Neocons, Israel, AIPAC , U.S. policy in the Mid-East & other relevant issues.

Here is an exerpt from Scott Ritter’s comments:

“One of the big problem is—and here goes the grenade—Israel. The second you mention the word “Israel,” the nation Israel, the concept Israel, many in the American press become very defensive. We’re not allowed to be highly critical of the state of Israel. And the other thing we’re not allowed to do is discuss the notion that Israel and the notion of Israeli interests may in fact be dictating what America is doing, that what we’re doing in the Middle-East may not be to the benefit of America’s national security, but to Israel’s national security. But, see, we don’t want to talk about that, because one of the great success stories out there is the pro-Israel lobby that has successfully enabled themselves to blend the two together, so that when we speak of Israeli interests, they say, “No, we’re speaking of American interests.

It’s interesting that AIPAC and other elements of the Israeli lobby don’t have to register as agents of a foreign government. It would be nice if they did, because then we’d know when they’re advocating on behalf of Israel or they’re advocating on behalf of the United States of America.”

WHO IS IN-CHARGE OF THE U.S. POLICY IN THE MID-EAST?

IS IT BUSH, CHENEY OR IS IT AIPAC & ISRAEL’S LOBBY?

Here is the link to watch todays entire program and/or read the full transcript on Democracy Now:

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/12/21/143259

comment on 43170:
Beth..We have commented…but it wont help!  Anyone that still believes the $hrub is good is just…well ‘not all together there’.  I know its enfuriating that some people are that dumb.  But hey…look at it on the bright side.  Just like someone has to be ugly to appreciate beauty….

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T-Shirt Sayings for Today
             
1) (On an infant onesie): Already smarter than Bush.
             
2) 1/20/09: End of an Error
             
3) That’s OK, I Wasn’t Using My Civil Liberties Anyway
             
4) Let’s Fix Democracy in This Country First
             
5) If You Want a Nation Ruled By Religion, Move to Iran
             
6) Bush. Like a Rock. Only Dumber.
             
7) You Can’t Be Pro-War And Pro-Life At The Same Time
             
8) If You Can Read This, You’re Not Our President
             
9) Of Course It Hurts: You’re Getting Screwed by an Elephant
             
10) Hey, Bush Supporters: Embarrassed Yet?
             
11) George Bush: Creating the Terrorists Our Kids Will Have to Fight
             
12) impeachment: It’s Not Just for Blowjobs Anymore
             
13) Give Bush a Blowjob So We Can Impeach Him, Too
             
14) America: One Nation, Under Surveillance
             
15) They Call Him “W” So He Can Spell It
             
16) Which God Do You Kill For?
             
17) Cheney/Satan ‘08
             
18) Jail to the Chief
             
19) Who Would Jesus Torture?
             
20) No, Seriously, Why Did We Invade?
             
21) Bush: God’s Way of Proving Intelligent Design is Full Of Crap
             
22) So Many Christians, So Few Lions
             
23) Bad president! No Banana.
             
24) We Need a President Who’s Fluent In At Least One Language

25) We’re Making Enemies Faster Than We Can Kill Them

26) Buck Fush
             
27) Rich Man’s War, Poor Man’s Blood

28) Is It Vietnam Yet?
             
29) Bush Doesn’t Care About White People, Either
             
30) Where Are We Going? And Why Are We In This Handbasket?
             
31) You Elected Him. You Deserve Him.
             
32) Frodo Failed. Bush Has the Ring.
             
33) Impeach Cheney First
             
34) Dubya, Your Dad Shoulda Pulled Out, Too
            
35) When Bush Took Office, Gas Was $1.46
             
36) The Republican Party: Our Bridge to the 11th Century
             
37) 2004: Embarrassed
  2005: Horrified
  2006: Terrified

To paraphrase Scott Ritter, Americans don’t like to lose, so they don’t like the war in Iraq.

Bush will send more troops to Iraq to convince those who worry about losing that we can still win. While we all have our attention focused on that, he will call for a draft to rebuild the military “Rumsfeld” destroyed, replace the Generals who disagree with him, firm up commitments from other nations to allow the U.S. to launch air-strikes and before you know it, we will be “Shock and Awing” Iran.

In the meantime, obedient MSM and useless conservative Think Tanks will be working hand in glove with the congress to convince each other and us that we will win a war in Iran! Smarting from a big loss, Americans will embrace another chance to win.

Are we really that dumb?

Yes ... we are. (Hope I’m wrong!)

Iran wont bother sending “terrorists” over here to hurt us. And they wont nuke anyone, because they cant. They will do something to us far more painful. Probably within minutes of the first strike wheels will be put in motion to stop the flow of oil to us and our allies.

Can they do that?

Yes they can.

While Bush smokes a cigar and chuckles over his private joke ... “They think I’m the stupid one.”

The article says: “Failure in Iraq at this juncture would be a calamity that would haunt our nation, impair our credibility, and endanger Americans for generations to come.”

The Bushites have failed in Iraq. Take that as a given. Also accept that we are not done failing. As long as the important questions are being answered by Republican and Democrats, we will not stop failing but will continue to dig our graves deeper and deeper.

Regardless of what Bush does, the blame falls squarely on the American voters who gave this president his second term. The deficiencies and corruption of this administration were readily apparent in November of 2004.

response to Comment #42983 by Hondo

It just might be a possibility that you and Bush could have both procured similar crack for your crack pipes.  Do you have some of his symptoms?  Delusional thinking, aggressiveness, apathetic, ethnosentricity, invulnerability,lack of speaking skills, inability to critically think by analyzing and synthesizing iformation with logic and common sense.  Just wondering….

I can see now by reading several of the blogs that there are still way to many Bush followers still smoking that domestic “faith” halllucinogen….will they ever go to rehab?  What will it take for one to realize that Bush hides behind the facade of religiosity to gain approval/votes…he doesn’t actually “practice” it.  Does lying to the naive and gullable while savagely raping a country for it’s precious resource ring a bell?  How many strategically placed military bases do we have to have in each and every single territory in the world before the realization sets in that the U.S. is imperialistically brutal and unfair?  Wake up America, before this wanna-be dictator and the trilateral commission get the retribution that, not they, but we, the citizens, will ultimately have to endure, for the wrath will surely come to us one day…Other countries are sick of our arrogance and audacity and it’s just a matter of time.  While U.S. sanctions may sometimes get compliance after others suffer from them, an impending revolt by all we have treaded and trampled upon is most assuredly in our future.

why are all of you so surprised by these latest “events”? Bush knows oil,he knows where it is,he knows the longer that oil stays in the ground,the more valuable it will become! He also knows which tribes works in those oil fields! He knows what would happen to the oil markets if we leave! Isn’t it strange noone in the “Press Corp” ask the real question….and that question can be seen at http://www.storminnorm.com  check our InTheNews page…there you will all find the #1 question thats never asked.My question to all of you is-why??? Norm Ezzie-Cleveland,Ohio.

Why doesn’t someone respond to Hondo?  It is this “islamofascism” terminology that is, indeed, the problem. Hondo, I have no doubt that there are some totalitarian Muslims out there that would like to re-establish the caliphate. However, a blanket accusation of “Islamofascism” from a country that is itself exhibiting symptoms of fascism does not solve the problem. Until our totally misguided adventure in Iraq, those admittedly warped Islamists were a minority. And our actions have NOT eliminated the labelled behavior, they’ve increased it. What we are doing is bankrupting our country and breaking our military while enriching some terrible, terrible people who like to play games with other people’s lives and money.  Enough is enough.

President Bush and his administration are reminiscent of the carpenter with only one tool—a hammer—for whom everything appears to be a nail. Like that metaphorical carpenter, the more frustrated he becomes with the inapproprite use of the hammer the harder and more frequently he weilds his weapon in the vain hope of hammering his adversary into submission.

What may even be worse, he thinks that those he takes to be adversaries see the world in the same myopic “hammer-centric” fashion and understand nothing but and have no other tools at hand than the power of blunt force.  “What else can we do,” he asks.  “They will think us weak, soft and decadent and hammer us to death.”

What you don’t understand is that the Bush/Republicans are evil.  They know full well what the consequences of their actions will be and they just don’t care.

That is the true nature of evil.  It just doesn’t care about anything but itself.

The elite are never afraid to risk the lives of the children of their maids and chaffeurs as they leverage a corrupt government to spend trillions of dollars to save their billion dollar investments that would have been too risky for anyone who can’t budget millions of dollars to bribe those politicians who haven’t already made the same questionable investments to wage war on their behalf.

United States of Amnesia:

Those that do not remember the past repeat it.

The movie Memento comes to mind…

I’ve experienced contact highs from reading Madison, Lincoln, Roosevelt etc.  But—how can I get a contact high from a guy who doesn’t/can’t speak in sentences?

Hondo Comment #42983

Once again, Hondo is not really for liberty, he is not really for democracy, he is not for Americans, he is not for America, he is not for winning the “islamofacist” battle (as if it really exists) he is not for peace, he is not for American pride, he is not for the safety of Americans he is not for a healthy economy, he is not for a good safe border policy hes not really Pro anything. In fact, he is not even for Conservatives??

Plainly put, he is not for anything he is only against liberals. 

It seems there would be a much better use of time to quite focusing on Liberals and start focusing on the big picture.  Neither repub. nor democrat. has the silver bullet or crystal ball.

His anger and passion against liberals would be very helpful if he would channel it to positive ends. 

I truly think he would be happy if the there was another terrorist attack on American soil as it would allow him to rail against liberals as the cause of all our ills.  He probably would not even worry about any dead or dying because he would be too busy attacking liberals.

Dude, Ready, Fire, Aim is the sign weak and impulsive mind. 
Blindly following any political party makes you worse for America than the liberals who you despise. 

It is people like you who embarrass hard working, red blooded Americans of every party and make the US a laughing stock around the world. 

Sincerely, Proud to Be an American but lately, embarrassed.

Not to be unfriendly or argumentative, but Robert what are you smoking?

Don’t you realize by now that Mr. Bush views himself as a dictator.

He has absoulutley no respect for congress, or fear of their authority, and he will do just exactly what he wants, and that has not changed one iota no matter what anyone says or does.

Don’t you understand, just how dangerous this man is, and that he represents a very real threat to the future of everyone in this country?

There is only one way to stop him and that is to impeach him, and if congress doesn’t find the guts to do it, he’ll start another war with Iran.

People:

There is a civil war in Iraq.
Sunnis VS Shiites.
That is the story.
The Sunnis were in control under Sadaam and now the Shiites are in control.
The Kurds are on the sideline waiting to see what happens.
Iran supports Shiites & Saudi Arabia & Syria are backing the Sunnis.
The United State’s removal of the murderous dictator, Saddaam Hussein, allowed the Shiites to take control of the country.
They are 60% of the population and were kept under control by Hussein who used chemical weapons to kill them off and keep them in line.
The U.S.A. was correct in removing Hussein but did not take into account the civil war which now exists.
The USA must now train the present Iraqi army to defend themselves against the Sunni terrorists who are trying to get rid of Shiite control of the government and USA backing.
The USA did not realize that a democracy based on majority rule can not be established in a country where one party is 60% of the population and uses religion to rally its people.
Iran was happy to see the USA take Sadaam out.
That is why they have now gained the upper hand in the region.
These arab muslim countries are anti-democracy and wish to remain religious dictatorships.
They control their masses with radical Islam propaganda and rule.
The only way to peace is the removal of these arab muslim dictators.
Bush must not withdraw because, that will allow the arab muslim countries to become much bolder in their attempt to establish Islamic control throughout the world.
If they obtain the nuclear weapons they are now working on, it will be very bad news for the Western Democracies.
USA must not show weakness, as in Vietnam.
It must increase manpower to train Iraqis to defend themselves so American soldiers can pull back and not exposed to Sunni terrorist attacks.
To leave now would be foolish.
Democracy must be established in that region.

Why does nobody seem to remember that a few months ago the U.S. military drew forces from all over Iraq to concentrate them into Bagdad, with the firm hope of pacifying the capital? Could it be because the operation ended up as a resounding failure?

What Bush et al. now propose is to repeat it, but this time at the scale of the whole country. And they conveniently fail to explain why what did not work in Bagdad will work nationwide.

I maintain that the only way to increase the troops level to what is needed to forcibly pacify Iraq is to outsource the job to the Chinese army: they can send a few million men, they do have a proven record of subjugating insurgents in Tibet, they are dirt cheap, and they will gladly accept a cut on the Iraqi oil as payment for their services! Not to mention that U.S. troops would be free to invade Iran, or at least do some saber-rattling at the border. Doesn’t it look like a sure bet and a win-win?

Bush and his friends are not dumb enough to not have thought of enlarging their coalition of the willing to China. Their Chinese friends certainly would not mind another avenue to offer their cheap labor in exchange for oil and peace with the all-mighty U.S. of A.!

…Which brings us to the trillion dollar question: why don’t top U.S. strategists, thirsty for an ever-elusive victory, go for this option?

May I offer a path towards a reasonable answer to this question?

Could Michael Moore be right? Could the Iraq war be meant not to be won, but to be permanent?

Could Robert Greenwald be right? Could the real reason behind a continuous Iraq war be to keep federal money flowing into the coffers of some well-connected and unscrupulous contractors? The longer it lasts, the better?

If one answers “yes” to the above questions, don’t the postures of many political leaders start to make sense?

Look at the smug grins on these two crooks faces.  Why does it seem that I’m the only one who thinks that Bush & Co’s only reason for war in Iraq is for the personal financial benefit of Bush, his family and friends.  Does anyone else understand that there is always a quid pro quo (read: kickback to Bush) in exchange for no-bid contracts?  Isn’t that what the Iran/Contra treason was all about - kickbacks to Bush?  Isn’t that why Robert Gates is the new Sec. of D.?  Wasn’t he one of the architects of the Iran/Contra treason?

It this putative President isn’t impeached, convicted, removed from office and incarcerated for this, the biggest breach of public trust in American history, in addition to mass murder, torture and administrative incompetence, then no President should have ever been, or should ever be, impeached.

It will indeed be one of the supreme disappointments if the Democrats in Congress fail to stick to the mandate the majority of voters elected them for.  But should we REALLY be all that surprised if they don’t?

No wonder I didn’t around to voting this time!

Will someone, like HONDO, please define for us what the president means, this time, when he says we must achieve “Victory in Iraq”? Let’s count together.
1.  Destroy WMD, lost that one.
2.  Remove Saddam,  Mission Accomplished, let’s
  go home!
3.  Form a democratically elected, pro U.S.    government capable of self rule, restoring law and order and infrastructure to a land who’s people do not see themselves as Iraqis, rather as ancestoral tribes with very strong religious loyalties.  This is what Robert was referring to because to believe this one, you have to be on some type of drug.

Bravo Robert!

Sometimes it’s like being in Alice in Wonderland. The U.S. went to war against a country for reasons that were fabricated.

The U.S. Congress voted the President powers to do wage war against a country that had done nothing to the U.S. for reasons that were fabricated.

Any connection between this war and 9/11 is fabricated.

It’s all lies. And Americans and Iraqi’s are still dying for these lies. Is there compromise here? THE UNITED STATES NEEDS TO GET OUT OF THERE.

I guess the only way this country can save money is to fire the whole cabinet since bush doesn’t listen to their advice.  It is scary what this decider is doing.  He isn’t even talking to his father. I mean his father upstairs.  Congress please impeach this president. Enough already.

“The thing to consider, though, is just where you’ve been blowing all that smoke all these years.”

Tao,
That was a good assessment of a bungling empire—we would have been better off, if we stopped smoking a long time ago—we all know how dangerous second-hand smoke can be.

Post #42963/Sam is spot on.

The planet has gone through 6 extinctions of 90% of all species on the planet: roughly 450, 400, 250, 200 and 65 million years ago.  Many biologists say we are heading rather quickly into the 6th extinction.  The 6 largest threats that the world faces today are: 1. habitat destruction (deforestation and fires), 2. invasive species, 3. pollution, 4. population explosion, 5. overharvesting and 6. global warming. Deforestation, by far, is the biggest cause of global warming, followed next by emissions from autos using gasoline.  Deforestation is corporate destruction of forests for development purposes.  At a global population of 9 billion people, we have populated the globe more in the past 90 years than in all years since the beginning of humankind. America is the world’s largest economy and that is because Americans consume more than any other country on the globe.  We are 5% of the world’s population, yet we are the cause of 25% of the world’s pollution and carbon emissions.  America uses more oil than any other country.  Because of our obsessively consumer driven culture (“I have to buy this; I have to own that”), we require more natural resources and we produce more waste than any other country. If the entire world were to consume what Americans consume, we would need FOUR MORE PLANETS to survive.
If our political leaders had informed the Americans 20 years ago about the impending global warming, we could have developed strategies and initiated and executed the best ones and, likely, we would not be in the position we are in today.  Al Gore tried to surface his ecological concerns over 10 years ago and Senior Bush called Gore a lunatic.  Certainly, if Al Gore had been elected instead of King Bushevik II being propelled into office through electoral fraud in 2000, our country would now have 6 years of strategies implemented that would have begun to substantially reduce America’s dependence upon fossil fuel.  As it stands, since Bush and Cheney and their cronies all have personal investments in oil and their personal wealth is at risk, the avarice of these outrageously dark forces who do not have America’s interests at heart is the cause behind their pathological denial of the military failure in Iraq.
Saudi Arabia, Iran and Venezuela are amongst the top 10 countries who provide America with the most oil.  Iraq has the 2nd largest oil reserves in the world.  It staggers the imagination to know that there are still people in the U.S. who cannot grasp the simple truth that the reason Bush went into Iraq was for one thing——OIL.  This qualifies as one of a long string of examples where the U.S. government has deceived the American people to further the goals (and line the pockets) of the wealthiest people on the planet, many of whom are senior executives of corporations or who own substantial investments in corporations. 
As things stand, with Bush in the Oval Office for 2 more years, this will only put America 2 more years behind in beginning a serious effort at curbing global warming.  There is simply NO way that America could steal enough oil reserves to get us out of global warming since the USE OF OIL IS WHAT IS A PRIMARY CAUSE OF IT.  It is gross negligence, gross dereliction of duty for our leaders to have gotten us into this Iraq War.  It is simply THE WRONG PATH.  The only path that is going to work for this entire planet is for countries to collaborate with one another on how to get out of this quagmire we have created for ourselves.  Nonviolence, collaboration, interdependence, tolerance.  These are the future strategies of world leaders of today and for the future.  Our current warhawk leaders have led us down a primrose path and it only leads to failure and peril.  We are all in this together.  As Martin Luther King said: We must live together as brothers or perish together as fools.

So where on Iraqi streets are bomb-sniffing dogs and local bomb frequency-jamming equipment? Why aren’t we offering cash rewards with family emigration for insurgent whistleblowers? Why not let the Iraqis vote to split into three governed states with International oversight on the new borders, rebuilding and oil revenue sharing? How about Goldman Sachs and other corporate profiteers divvying record gains in way of bonuses to soldiers fighting in Iraq? Why not hire ABC to manage both the Extreme Iraq and Extreme New Orleans Makeover? And since the GOP seems impotent, would the NBA please buyout Bush’s remaining contract then trade him to Iran or deport him to Mexico? Both countries need a new play-leader. American corporatism at its reconciling best!

You have put my spoken words about the Democratic policy into print - “cynical, give them enough rope to hang themselves” - as though the lives lost in proving that we can’t win, instead of admitting it now and pulling out, are worthless (all the lives -not just the American ones). “A comma in history,” isn’t that what Bush said?  Reid and Pelosi are complicit in this - and Reyes just mouths the talking points - the payback for being named Intel Committee chair.

If the Joint Chiefs of Staff are in disagreement with the Emperor, let us invoke the 25th Amendment, have the President arrested by the Joint Cheifs, and simultaneously impeach Cheney.

The Delusioner in Chief is on a ideological rampage that can destroy us all.  Somebody do something.

All of our eggs invested into one military basket, or is that basket really just a bowl filled and being smoked by our president and all of his sycophants like Hondo in this thread?
For those upset about using Mary Jane as the drug in question, just ask yourself what other hallucinogen would make these folks so murderously paranoid? They see our own misguided buildup and bolstering of “Islamofascists” as if they were sprouting up of their own accord. They will continue to fertilize and grow this return of our aggression until the world is ablaze with this insanity.
I think that is a great analogy; Bush being hooked on the strength he commands. Something about power: corrupts? And so now with his being granted just about absolute power by our traitors who use him for their own political leverage, feeding him his “junk/power”, in an effort to gain more of the same for themselves later.. I just heard him speaking on the radio saying something to the effect that US control will not be allowed to be removed from the middle east.
What amazes me is how obvious our empire is, and yet how easily our people can be fooled into believing we are the world’s blessed and holy saviors.
Is this all that is left to our country? The reigns of power handed over from one party to the other, nothing really changing the wheels of propaganda lies, death, killing, and corruption taxing our masses into slavery or poverty supporting the war machine to help suck the last drops of oil, while a few of these elite enjoy living in the cream at the top, all until the pollution we generate destroys the very world we all live in?
Really, is that what our nation and our flag stands for?
Happy Holidays everyone.

To tritone, #42970: I agree with your post re Scheer’s comment: “What are they smoking in the Bush White House?”

If it were marijuana (or, even better, hashish), the Bush White House would most definitely not be making war. They would be making peace.

Re Hondo’s comment #42983: What are they smoking? It’s called a “victory pipe.”

You must be on the pipe crackin’ it up.  What great victory has The Decider achieved to be celebrating?  Two-thirds of the people in this country think he’s F-d things up in Iraq and are against the war.  And, if “Islamofascism” is the enemy, why did The Decider attack a secular republic that had nothing to do with 9/11 or al-Qaeda in favor of establishing an Islamic Republic in Iraq?  But keep up the GOP talking points and maybe Dick Cheney will take you hunting.

“Did you hear ‘em talkin’ ‘bout it on the radio
Did you try to read the writing on the wall
Did that voice inside you say I’ve heard it all before
It’s like Deja Vu all over again”

Day by day I hear the voices rising
Started with a whisper like it did before
Day by day we count the dead and dying
Ship the bodies home while the networks all keep score”

From: “Deja Vu All Over Again”—John Fogerty—2004

Bush is caught is a classic conflict of interest. He must make the decision to withdraw or escalate. Withdrawal will confirm the folly and defeat of his lie based adventure.

He will no more withdraw than a police officer give himself a speeding ticket, a contractor admit her competitors have a superior product, or a parent-coach keep from playing their kid.

To him, escalation gives him the slim chance of some improvement or at least drawing out of the inevitable, possibly to a new administration. With such choices, who would expect Bush to pick the one that is a sure self-repudiation?

So now—with Rumsfeld out—we have a New Triumverate:  Bush/Cheney/Reid.

How nice for the Dems, who have been crawling for the Repugnant Republicans for the past several years, that they finally are represented with the fatcats.

Anybody for the Green Party?

“He understands that, ultimately, history will judge him on how good a job he did in fighting Islamofascism”

Hondo, He should mainly be trying to stop the fascism that is growing inside the mind and actions of some people in this country. Nazis thought to be owners of moral authority and superior ideas. That would be a victory worth to remember him for.

Hondo -

Sorry to interrupt your daily, fantasy Bush blowjob ...

First, research the word “fascism.”  I know, I know, your hero uses the term, and he doesn’t do research either.  But do it.  “Fascism” has nothing whatsoever remotely to do with radical violent fundamentalist Islam being meted out from caves and the trunks of cars loaded with explosives.  Your boy started to use the term only as defense against the accusations that HIS government, repressive and hopelessly wed to corporate interests, had become fascist…which it has.

And please…please…PLEASE…define “victory” for us?  Would that be the death of the last psychopathic Muslim prepared to blow himself up in the name of Jiihad and to get his 70 plus virgins?  When do you think we’ll run out of those?  And how, precisely, will 150,000 American troops, or twice that number, or TEN TIMES that number, achieve that objective?  How will soldiers kill hatred?  I’ve got news for you Chachie - with every “terrorist” we kill in Iraq, we give birth to two more somewhere. 

If Bin Laden is dead or alive no longer matters.  Thanks to the insane policies of your meglomaniacal Texas shitkicker and his conversations with his God, Bin Laden’s objectives have already been achieved.  Bin Laden, through Bush, has the US in a war with an abstraction, bankrupting itself, alienating the world, and quickly extinguishing the light of liberty that until now has shone as an example to the rest of the world.  After Bush has suspended habeus corpus, the right to representation by counsel, the right to know the charges against onesself, the right to a speedy trial (and I’m talking about Americans’ rights, here)...you know…basically shit all over our Constitution, the job is done.  Bin Laden, through Bush, has made us…them.  A two bit banana republic that’s willing to make themselves as much like the enemy as is necessary to…wait for it…defend the differences between us.  If people weren’t dying by the tens of thousands it would be laughable.

And you cheer him on. 

Moron.

When people start slinging Rovian talking point phrases around like “Islamofascism”, my only reaction is to yawn. Case closed. Not worth reading.

If someone has a point to express, better to use one’s own words, make sure that it’s clear you understand the situation in the Middle East - things like the Shi’a, the Sunnis, history in that part of the world. Otherwise comments are pointless - just spouting propaganda spoon fed by others.

Whatever Bush and company are smoking must be some good shit because they’re all delusional about the situation in Iraq. We’re not losing the war,we’ve lost the war. The more troops we send in, the more we lose. It’s like having the best car on the block, but without any gas, it ain’t worth a shit. The troops are out of gas. A bigger car is not going to fix it. Maybe they are snorting some of that heroin from the world’s greatest producer that we created,Afganistan. Whatever they are smoking,snorting,or drinking, Bush and company need to go into political rehab before our entire country needs what he has been smoking, snorting, and drinking just to exist.

Lil’ George, what we gonna do with you?

Stop the war machine now! Enough is enough! We demand that every child of Congress and Senate members which are of fighting age be immediately sent to Iraq in the marines until all American mercenaries, advisors and military and contractors of any sort are out or Iraq. They will be the human shield that will force the bastards in government to back off from their greed, fears and shame. Let them have something real to be afraid about, the lives of their children.
Yes it will take that much for our officials to even momentarily stand up to the Oil Cartel and military industrial complex whose lap dogs they are, and to the fanatically imperialistic ideologues being used to carry the aims of Big Money! Why is it that our representatives don’t just do that on their own and feel fine sacrificing hundreds of thousands of Iraqi lives and thousands of American youth to their misbegotten pride of “winning” or “decent interval for giving time to Iraqis to get a grip and hand over the keys to the US corporations”. Get an education and review the Vietnamization policy and its tragic outcome. Howard Zenn is most qualified to educate them on this.

I totally agree with Comment #42951 by TAO Walker. Our system of government is broken and we can’t expect anything out of out elected officials without a lot of arm twisting. 

It starts with cutting all funds to the military and “advisors” in Iraq. If the 88% of Americans who oppose sending more troops to Iraq get together in the streets and we can force the lapdogs in government to comply.

I’m certain that the majority of Americans do not trust Bush nor do they believe anything that he jibbers. Bush/Cheney & Co. had visions of petro-dollars dancing in their greedy eyes and launched this war of aggression to secure the Iraq oil reserves for their friends, the big oil conglamorates.

The only thing that will free Iraq from their grip is to remove them from office, the sooner the better for America and the Iraqis.

It seems to me that the president is giving the voters the finger.  Afterall, HE is the Decider.  Instead of proposing solutions to end to the war, he escalates it and then decides to expand the size of our military.  Nice.  If the consequences of his decisions were not so massively grave (pun intended) it would be funny.  Then again, who ever defined the nature of the “change” that we voted for in November. I can’t help but wonder where GW’s dad stands on on his son’s dismissal of his man Baker’s assessment. Granted, the “war on terror” has undoubtably made their clan filthy rich (and thanks to the tax cuts, filthy sinking rich), but wouldn’t you think that at his age, George senior would value pragmatism and the more noble things in life like honor, family pride, diplomacy, honesty, integrity?  I guess his seniority and experience in all things governmental holds no water when his son, the Decider, is on a mission from god.  So that’s what I want to know; is GHWB in support of his son’s politics or not, and if not, what will he do to curb the amount damage to the family name and business.

Comment on 42983.  Hondo, you are full of “FoxNewsPsychoBabbleCrap”...
“Bush…. understands that the only way to achieve victory in Iraq, and the war on terror, is to eliminate Islamofascism.”  Surely you jest?  You really believe this crap?  You honestly believe that $hrub went to Iraq for that?  Let me guess..you also believe that $shrub was sent by ...God..also right?  And that Gays are not people, and corporations are good.  And abstenance is the only way.  And that we have no secret prisons, and that we dont torture!
Right!
Sieg heil to you.

Headless

Every once in awhile you’ll read an opinion from bush’s war lovers. Individuals who can’t deal in facts because the only ones they have are the ridiculous ( & every morphing ) talking point rationals for this administration’s dismal performance. But good ole’ Hondo here stands out as one completely brain dead exaple of how successfull K. Rove’s propoganda is amongst the dull witted of us. “Islamofacisism”? You have got to be kidding. Does Hondo even know what a facist is ? If he did, he wouldn’t have to look any further then our own White House to see a perfectly good example of american style facism.Apparently Hondo feels were getting something accomplished in Iraq. I think he has missed his calling, he’s obviously equipped to advise the president himself…after all, bush is going to need all the supporters he can find, which is getting harder each passing day.

Seems our addiction is to self-righteous blogging.

No call for impeachment. No organizing for impeachment: just blah, blah, blog, blog.

What would the child subjects do without their boy king? Thank God for George Bush—the great uniter—united in suicidal war and blah blogging.

—Bu$h’s Lost Investment Trap—

Quote: “There are three kinds of men: Ones that learn by reading, a few who learn by observation, and the rest of them have to pee on the electric fence and find out for themselves.” - Will Rogers

Quote: “Bush Asks New Defense Chief for Buildup Plan

WASHINGTON (Dec. 20) - President Bush, who has contended that the U.S. was winning the war in Iraq, said Tuesday for the first time that American forces were not winning there. He also said the military would be expanded to fight a long-term battle against terrorism.

In other remarks during the Oval Office interview on Tuesday, Bush said he plans to increase the overall size of the U.S. military, which has been stretched by wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. He said he has asked his new defense chief, Robert Gates, to report back to him with a plan to increase ground forces.

“I’m inclined to believe that we do need to increase our troops—the Army, the Marines,” Bush told the Post. “And I talked about this to Secretary Gates and he is going to spend some time talking to the folks in the building, come back with a recommendation to me about how to proceed forward on this idea.”

Robert Gates said after taking the oath of office as defense secretary from Vice President Dick Cheney at a Pentagon ceremony, “But as the president has made clear, we simply cannot afford to fail in the Middle East. Failure in Iraq at this juncture would be a calamity that would haunt our nation, impair our credibility, and endanger Americans for decades to come.”

The White House said Bush’s decision about expanding the size of the military was separate from his search for a new approach to the war in Iraq. “This is necessary for the long term obligations in the war on terror,” presidential spokesman Tony Snow said.” end of quote

Bu$h’s Lost Investment Trap—

3,000 Americans dead, half a trillion dollars wasted and 650,000 Iraqis killed - and Bu$h wants more…. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

How many times does Bu$h have to pee on the electric fence?