Thank you, Outraged, for reprinting my comments. I hope it was cathartic.
Now, to your question. You asked how many of the world’s wars, wars in which appeasement failed, were pursued in the name of God. There have been many wars in the history of the world that were pursued in the name of God. America hasn’t participated in a war like that, but history shows that many countries have perverted and distorted the Word of God in order to achieve an evil, worldly purpose. I’m at a bit of a lost as to what your strangly ignorant question was trying to get at. Do you mean that Christian nations are always going to war in order to “evangelize” the world? If that’s what you meant, then at least we know that there are no limits to your ignorance. The world’s history proves you wrong. Perhaps you were confusing Christian countries with Muslim countries.
I believe (correct me if I’m wrong) that you are deliberately trying to confuse and obfuscate the issues we are discussing. I said that we have a right to defend our country. You replied that evangelism equals violence. I tried to get you focused back on the topic by asking you to explain what you meant by that profoundly idiotic statement, and you responded by re-typing my post and then asking about wars in the name of God. You need more help than I can give you, son! Take a deep breath, re-focus yourself, and come back with something specific.

Hondo:

You said:
“Christians don’t believe in evangelism through violence.”

Then you said:(In the same comment no less)

“The Christian conservative correctly recognizes that these monsters pushed a war on us that we didn’t want. They must now be shown the error of their ways, and that can only be accomplished by a furious, brutal and relentless show of force that ultimately wipes Islamofascism from the face of the earth.”

But you also said:

“Islamofascism is completely sociopathic, and they refuse to be appeased. The only way we will ever create peace is to kill islamofascism.”

“At the present time, the U.S. has a president who won’t take any crap from Islamofascist terrorists.”

But then you made this comment:

“Turning my BELIEFS into “black marks on a glowing screen” (to quote a famous Aussie) helps me to clarify those BELIEFS.” (caps.mine)

According to Websters New World Dictionary:
BELIEF:
1.the state of believing; conviction or acceptance that certain things are true or real.
2.faith, esp. religious faith
3.trust or confidence.
4.anything believed or accepted as true; esp. a creed, doctrine, or tenet.
5.an opinion; expectation; judgement.

So Hondo your beliefs (I mean, “those black marks on a glowing screen")are just that Hondo, just your beliefs.

Also Hondo, I mean if your not pressed for time. Would you mind adding up all those wars, the ones that couldn’t be solved with “the same naive appeasement logic that has never worked in the history of the world.” how many of those were pursued in the name of god?

Just the same, I do AGREE with you on one thing:
“You can’t reason with people whose entire philosophy is completely devoid of reason.”

Well, Outraged, your panties sure are in a bunch, aren’t they? Being a liberal, you naturally misconscrewed the point I was making about dialogue. I’ll type slower this time, so you can understand.
I am not opposed to dialogue. In fact, I love to have dialogues with all kinds of people. I especially enjoy the dialogues I participate in with all of you wacky liberals on truthdig. Turning my beliefs into “black marks on a glowing screen” (to quote a famous Aussie) helps me to clarify those beliefs. I rather enjoy reading the entertaining responses to my comments, as well. Reading a half-hour’s worth of liberal outrage sparked by my comments is almost as entertaining as a one-hour episode of “Walker-Texas Ranger.”
What I don’t believe in is appeasement with terrorists. Why? Because history shows again and again how utterly useless appeasement is. It doesn’t work. Period. Here endeth the lesson.

Hondo:
If you don’t believe in dialogue SHUT UP!  Find a nice dark little corner somewhere and stay there.

I’m not a liar, but I did read your conveniently-linked profile, Hondo.

Perhaps I was reaching too far is guessing that “spreading the word” was an important part of your professed devotion.

I just noticed that in your two posts you’re dreaming “what if” Carter or Kucinich were president. It must more comforting than the reality of Bush/Cheney’s bungling.
And in all three you wrap with a call to slaughter.

Hey, Merry Christmas!

Obama and hillary are in the pocket of the pro isreal lobby which supports the bombing of iran dont be fooled

To Rickinsf--Christians don’t believe in evangelism through violence. What a strangely ignorant question! I posted two comments on this thread and neither one referred in any way to evangelism. Why would you say that they did? Do you have difficulties with reading comprehension, or are you just a liar? What I did say is that violent force for the purpose of self defense is absolutely necessary to defeat the forces of Islamofascism. Being a Christian doesn’t mean that I am supposed to sit on my thumbs while murderous thugs and monsters destroy our society and kill our families. A liberal, being the “useful idiot” that he is, says that we must love these monsters, and establish a dialogue with them in order to create peace. Poppycock! The Christian conservative correctly recognizes that these monsters pushed a war on us that we didn’t want. They must now be shown the error of their ways, and that can only be accomplished by a furious, brutal and relentless show of force that ultimately wipes Islamofascism from the face of the earth.

Hondo

Why do all you Christianists believe in evangelizing through violence?

Dr. Knowitall says that, in order to work out differences, there must be dialogue. With all due respect, sir, that’s the same naive appeasement logic that has never worked in the history of the world. Jimmy Carter and Dennis Kucinich are fond of spouting that nonsense, and it just isn’t true. You can’t reason with people whose entire philosophy is completely devoid of reason. Islamofascism is completely sociopathic, and they refuse to be appeased. The only way we will ever create peace is to kill islamofascism.

Take a look at http://hurricaneharry.blogspot.com/2006/08/how-to-nego tiate-with-terrorists.html

It is the clearest, truest expression of what must be done to defeat radical Islam that I have ever seen.

On-the-spot reports from inside Iran, like this excellent one by Reese Erlich, are all the more important in a time of increasing lies and disinformation being spread by the Bush Administration. With news stories of U.S.Navy holding maneuvers off the Iranian coast, and investigative reporters Sy Hersh and Scott Ridder predicting war on the horizon, it is essential to keep channels of communication open with people inside the country. If war comes, the people who will suffer are primarily the women and childrean of Iran, the very people Erlich interviews in the streets and shopping markets of the country. With the demonization of Iran since 1979, (when the US Embassy was occupied by Iranians outraged by the despotic rule of the Shah and his CIA supported Savak secret police), there’s a great need for press coverage of Iran showing the human face and diversity of the Iranian people. We need more coverage like Erlich’s. The idea of a war with Iran is madness. We have to struggle against the notion of a conflict which will solve nothing, increase suffering, and ultimately harm America.

re:42986 Hondo
The USA, in its foreign policy, is roughly the equivalent of an elementary school playground bully.  That’s “worked” for decades.  But, now, the world has smartened up.  As for Islamofascist terrorists, they’ll meet the same resistance the world over that the US finally has.  Ordinary people everywhere understand that, in order to work out differences, there has to be dialogue.  Then there has to be acknowledgement and concession, and that’s what the money class in America is afraid of and why it’ll be a long, long time before things change, unless, of course, the money class is put out of business in our government.  In the meantime, ordinary people in America and the Middle East, and their children, will continue to be victimized.  George Bush and the Islamofascists should take their little game into a giant-sized X-Box somewhere and leave the rest of us alone.

It’s not “Washington beltway insiders” who are hoping for dialogue between the U.S. and Iran/Syria. It is the modern liberal establishment that is hoping for appeasement. And I’m not surprised that Iranians don’t hold out much hope for the dialogue. At the present time, the U.S. has a president who won’t take any crap from Islamofascist terrorists. I’m very certain that if our president was named Jimmy Carter or Dennis Kucinich, the radical Islam crowd would be just pleased as punch! Of course, the resulting mushroom clouds on the American landscape probably wouldn’t do much for American happiness. But that’s OK, isn’t it. At least the murderous terrorists would know we love them!

What is wrong with the president.  He is in such a state of denial.  If he can’t or won’t pull our troops out of Iraq that maybe the congress should think about impeachment of this president.  Who does he think he is King George or God.