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Posted on Dec 18, 2006
Blood-stained Gaza street
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Water mixes with blood in a street of the northern Gaza Strip town of Beit Hanoun in this Nov. 8 file photo. Israeli tank shells landed in a residential neighborhood, killing at least 18 people in their sleep, including eight children, according to witnesses and hospital officials.

By Chris Hedges

Israel has spent the last five months unleashing missiles, attack helicopters and jet fighters over the densely packed concrete hovels in the Gaza Strip.  The Israeli army has made numerous deadly incursions, and some 500 people, nearly all civilians, have been killed and 1,600 more wounded.  Israel has rounded up hundreds of Palestinians, destroyed Gaza’s infrastructure, including its electrical power system and key roads and bridges, carried out huge land confiscations, demolished homes and plunged families into a crisis that has caused widespread poverty and malnutrition. 

Civil society itself—and this appears to be part of the Israeli plan—is unraveling. Hamas and Fatah factions battle in the streets, despite a tenuous cease-fire, threatening civil war. And the governing Palestinian movement, Hamas, has said it will boycott early elections called by Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas, done with the blessing of the West in a bid to toss Hamas out of power. (Remember that Hamas, despite its repugnant politics, was democratically elected.)  In recent days armed groups loyal to Abbas have seized Hamas-run ministries in what looks like a coup.

The stark reality of Gaza, however, has failed to penetrate the consciousness of most Americans, who, when they notice the Israeli and Palestinian conflict, prefer to debate the merits of the word “apartheid” in former President Jimmy Carter’s new book,  “Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid.”  It is a sad commentary on the gutlessness of the U.S. press and the timidity of the Democratic opposition that most Americans are not aware of the catastrophic humanitarian crisis they bear so much responsibility in creating.  Palestinians are not only dying, their olive trees uprooted, their farmland and homes destroyed and their aquifers taken away from them, but on many days they can’t move because of Israeli “closures” that make basic tasks, like buying food and going to the hospital, nearly impossible. These Palestinians, after decades of repression, cannot return to land from which they were expelled.  The 140-plus U.N. votes to censure Israel and two Security Council resolutions—both vetoed by the United States—are blithly ignored.  Is it any wonder that the Palestinians, gasping for air, rebel as the walls close in around them, as their children go hungry and as the Israelis turn up the violence?

Palestinians in Gaza live encased in a squalid, overcrowded ghetto, surrounded by the Israeli military and a massive electric fence, unable to leave or enter the strip and under daily assault.  The word “apartheid,” given the wanton violence employed against the Palestinians, is tepid.  This is more than apartheid.  The concerted Israeli attempts to orchestrate a breakdown in law and order, to foster chaos and rampant deprivation, are on public display in the streets of Gaza City, where Palestinians walk past the rubble of the Palestinian Ministry of Interior, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Ministry of National Economy, the office of the Palestinian prime minister and a number of educational institutions that have been bombed by Israeli jets.  The electricity generation plant, providing 45 percent of the electricity of the Gaza Strip, has been wiped out, and even the primitive electricity networks and transmitters that remain have been repeatedly bombed.  Six bridges linking Gaza City with the central Gaza Strip have been blown up and main arteries cratered into obliteration. And the West Bank is rapidly descending into a crisis of Gaza proportions.  The juxtaposition of what is happening in Gaza and what is being debated on the U.S. airwaves about a book that is little more than a basic primer on the conflict reinforces the impression most outside our gates have of Americans living in a distorted, bizarre reality of our own creation. 

What do Israel and Washington believe they will gain by turning Gaza and the West Bank into a miniature version of Iraq?  How do they think people who are desperate, deprived of hope, dignity and a way to make a living, under attack from one of the most technologically advanced armies on the planet, will respond?  Do they believe that creating a Hobbesian nightmare for the Palestinians will blunt terrorism, curb suicide attacks and foster peace?  Do they not see that the rest of the Middle East watches the slaughter in horror and rage—its angry, disenfranchised young men and women determined to overcome feelings of impotence and humiliation, even at the cost of their own lives? 

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And perhaps they do see and understand all this.  Israel and Washington probably do get the recruiting value of this repression for Islamic militants.  But these Israeli attacks, despite the rage and violence they breed against Israelis and against us, also create conditions so intolerable that Palestinians can no longer reside on their land. More than 160,000 civil servants have not received full salaries for almost nine months.  These government employees support families that number more than a million Palestinians.  And a United Nations report states that more than two-thirds of Palestinians are now living below the poverty line. The unemployment rate is more than 50 percent. The Palestinian Foreign Ministry says 10,000 Palestinians have emigrated in the last four months and almost 50,000 others have applied to leave.

Israel, with no restraints from Washington, despite the Iraq Study Group report recommendations that the peace process be resurrected from the dead, has been given the moral license by the Bush administration to carry out what is euphemistically in Israel called “transfer” and what in other parts of the world is called ethnic cleansing.  Faced with a demographic time bomb, knowing that by 2020 Jews will make up only 40 to 46 percent of the overall population of Israel, the architects of transfer, who once held the equivalent status in Israeli society of the Ku Klux Klan, have wormed their way into positions of power in the Israeli government. 

Washington and Israel, I suspect, know the cost of this repression.  But it is beginning to appear as though they accept it—as the price for ridding themselves of the Palestinians.
Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert has installed in his Cabinet a politician who openly calls for the expulsion of the some 1.3 million Israeli Arabs who live inside Israel. Avigdor Lieberman’s “Israel Is Our Home” Party, part of Olmert’s governing coalition, proposes involuntary transfer in a region populated mostly by Arab citizens of Israel, shifting those people to a future Palestinian state that would include Gaza, parts of the West Bank and a small slice of northern Israel. All Israeli Arabs who continued to reside in the territory of transfer would automatically lose their Israeli citizenship unless they took a loyalty oath to the state and its Jewish symbols.  The inclusion of Lieberman, the David Duke of Israel, into the Cabinet is an indication to most Palestinians that the worst is yet to come.

The debate over Jimmy Carter’s book, one that dishes up a fair number of Israeli myths about itself and states a reality that is acknowledged even by most Israelis, misses the point.  The question is not whether Israel practices apartheid.  Apartheid is a fond dream for most Palestinians.  The awful question is rather will Israel be able to unleash a policy so draconian and cruel that it will obliterate a community that has lived on this land for centuries.  There are other, far more loaded words for what is happening to the Palestinians.  One shudders to repeat them.  But unchecked, unstopped, the current wave of violence and abuse meted out to the Palestinians will echo down the corridors of history as one of the greatest moral and tactical blunders of the early part of this century, one that will boomerang on Israel and on us, bringing to our own doorsteps the evil we have allowed to be delivered to the narrow alleys and refugee camps in Gaza.  When it was only apartheid, we had some hope.


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By Mazal, September 10, 2007 at 6:11 am Link to this comment
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Arabs Hate jews and always have. Try being a Jew or a Christian living in the “MIDDLE EAST. They kill each other like cats and dogs. Honour killing their girls is a bit hit of the day. If Arabs was doing this in England there would be no problem of defense but when it happens to Jews everyone is Ok with that. Aparthied that is a Joke. When was the last time a Synangouge was built in Egypt or Saudi.

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By Jason, September 9, 2007 at 6:46 pm Link to this comment
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I hear far left taking about one state solution. Look artical. I see more likly one state Isreal commite gencide kill Plastines West Bank gaze strip all nambors not incould US pull cival war befor US agree. with as many 80 million right christion support USA

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By ion c. laskaris, February 18, 2007 at 2:22 pm Link to this comment
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As Abdallah’s curse on me for what he imagines are my “Zionist” biases makes amply clear, there is enough hatred and distrust to go around. And I do not deny I share in it. But my sense of moral outrage comes from very different sources of culture and personal experience than his own.

While I am inclined to believe the examples he cites, from what he admits is “...the only example of democracy in the Middle East” are true, there is also the reality of an on-going state of war between the Arab world and the nation of Israel for 60 years.

I find it impossible to imagine a secure and moral solution other than the one that separated Greeks and Turks after WWI. The other alternatives involve either an Intifada that gives the world another holocaust or the internal collapse of most Moslem countries into civil war, because their process of religious obsession and primitive governance makes them incapable of change. Israel’s only choice is to hold out until the latter alternative unfolds.

Given the absolutist nature of the Intifada, and pathetic performances of most Moslem nations since independence after WW II, I can find no reason to like,trust or respect them.

Granted the USA has its own “Axis of Evil” to destroy, to kill off its own capitalist corruption, a task far more difficult than the frictions between Moslem and primarily secular societies in the West, it is probably for the best,the American Empire withdraws from Middle East affairs with the two exceptions of protec- tion of Israel and independence for a new nation of Kurdistan.

That would leave Abdallah and his associates free to try to create democratic process for them- selves, and, above all,for their women as well

Ion C. Laskaris,Burlington,Vt. + iclrevusa.com

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By Fadel Abdallah, February 15, 2007 at 8:14 pm Link to this comment
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Here are two stories to prove that Israel practices what is “Worse than Apartheid.”
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Imagine yourself living in a given town of a country where you’re officially a citizen of that country; then you want to move and live in a different town of that country; then you have to submit to a “suitability test”; then the result of the test tells you that “you’re not fit to live in that town.”

Where is this likely to happen in the world?! You guessed it! Only in Israel… the only oasis of democracy in the Middle East, supported only by another greater so-called democracy where elections get stolen two cycles at a time by the power of money and corruption!!!!!!
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A petition was issued earlier this week to the High Court of Justice by an Arab-Israeli couple seeking a temporary injunction which would allow them to live in the predominately Jewish town of Rakefet. The couple, residents of Sakhnin, have stated that local authorities in Rakefet and officials at the Israel Lands Authority kept them from moving into the town, by stating that according to a “suitability test,” they were “not fit to live in the town.”
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This is another one!
Israel owned El Al refuses transport of Israeli Arab body. The deceased, Acre-born Lamis Jerrar, worked as a lecturer at Howard University in Washington D.C. and held dual Israeli and American citizenship. After she passed away, her family tried to bring her to burial in her hometown. El Al said it would not transport the body!

Read these stories at HAARETZ.com

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By Fadel Abdallah, February 15, 2007 at 8:04 pm Link to this comment
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This story coming from the land of Israel should be both entertaining to everyone and shocking to those who still believe that Israel is a bastion of so-called democracy. It was reported on February 12, 2007, in the Morning Edition of NPR, under the interesting title of “Jerusalem’s ‘Rosa Parks’ fights ‘Modesty Patrols.’ It is about a group of Israeli women of the liberal type who have filed a lawsuit in Israel’s high court against “Taliban-like” Jewish fundamentalists who order women to sit in the back of the bus and abstain from wearing “immodest” clothing on public bus lines. Today, there are more than 30 gender-segregated Haredi bus routes. The woman leading this liberation movement is writer Naomi Ragen, after being herself the victim of harassment by ultra-orthodox Jews, she told her story to Eric Westervelt on National Public Radio. Kindly go to their Website and read the full story.

This story is dedicated to the latest Zionist propagandist and Arab-Muslim hater by the name ION LASKARIS, hoping that you be consumed by your racist hatred till you drop dead!

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By Ion C. Laskaris, February 15, 2007 at 3:37 pm Link to this comment
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Hedge’s “Worse Than Apartheid” appears to depend completely on Arab handout propaganda for his explosions of moral indignation. The accompanying photo of a crater with mixing blood and water could have been taken at a spot in Israel where a terrorist bomber blew up Jews with his or her suicide. In any case his reference to a “civil society” in Gaza being destroyed is an absurdity. There is no such society in that degenerate Arab world from the Atlantic Ocean to the border of Iran,and most other Moslem nations.

I,for one, will save my moral outrage for the enemies of the Jews and Israel who invite and encourage us non-Jews to join their barbaric new holocaust mission. 750 million Arabs blaming some 6-7 million Jews for all their woes, supported by Hedge-row “pseudo-progressive” types from our Western world all the way down the line,is a pathetic scene.

About the only thing this illegal president and administration have done right is to support Israel against her Moslem aggressors. The verbal tirades about “Zionist” sins and crimes are no more than cheap Arab curses against the only democracy in their degenerate world. Hedge’s kind of intellectual and spiritual garbage reminds me of the same sewer media 1920-1940 with the rise of the European Fascist tradition,now copied here. Our own Fascist/Republican “Axis of Evil” needs to be destroyed first. Then we can help Israel crush her vile enemies for good.
Ion Laskaris,Burlington,Vt.USA+iclrevusa.com

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By mirek, February 14, 2007 at 7:35 pm Link to this comment
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We need once and for all to re examine zionism and reject it by a popular consensus. Only when Zionism fails in the West, will the Palestinians have a chance to survive ( I’m not even talking about reclaiming their land ). Fate of Palestinians is unfortunately in the hands of a nation whose leaders are in bed with their hangman. The evangelicals have it all wrong. I think we need Christ to return to save the Palestinians and others who are on the Zionist hitlist. ( Like you and me ).

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By Jacob, January 1, 2007 at 9:06 pm Link to this comment
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Chris Hedges bemoans the bleak situation in the Gaza strp. And, true to form, he blames Israel.  But, he writes nothing about the more than 800 Qassam rockets fired from Gaza at Israeli towns and villages, in the year since Israel left the Gaza strip (to the last inch).
    Can Hedges imagine what would have happened if, immediately after Israel left the Gaza strip, all terror activity from there ceased. No rocket launching, no weapon smuggling, no efforts to bomb the border crossing points,  no efforts to send suicide murderers into Israel. Then, all the crossing points would have remained open, thousands of Gazans would have been able to work in Israel, there would have been free merchandise exchange, it would have been possible to travel between the West Bank and Gaza. The international community financial help could have been invested and helped the local economy. Also, this would have made further Israeli withdrawals from the West Bank much easier. But the Palestinians chose to continue with their terror activity, firing rockets on a daily basis, crossing the border, killing two soldiers and abducting a third.
    No sovereign country can tolerate such continuous threats to its citizens without responding accordingly. Israel is no exception.
    In the last 10 days, a cease fire was announced in the Gaza strip, observed scrupulously by Israel. But more than 40 rockets have landed in Israel in those 10 days. Of course, Hedges does not even mention that.
    And Lieberman proposes moving the border line between Israel and the future Palestinian state to the east, so that some Israeli Arab villages could be part of that state, if the villagers so want. No involuntary transfer, as Hedges writes. Lieberman’s views are opposed by the vast majority of Israelis.
    And, contrary to Hedges’s assertion, that by 2020 the Jews will be only 40 to 46 percent of the overall population of Israel, the actual projected number is 70 to 75 percent.
    By using terms like “worse than apartheid”,  Hedges demonstrates his extreme anti-Israeli bias. And by not denouncing the Hamas government’s refusal to recognize Israel, stop terror and start negotiating, he harms the Palestinian people.

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By Fadel Abdallah, December 31, 2006 at 11:45 pm Link to this comment
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The following is a report by B’Tselem Human Rights Jewish group; the decent and conscientious Jews, with whom Palestinians can live in peace forever. This report shows that the current Zionist administration follows practices that are worse than apartheid; it is state-sponsored terrorism.
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Prisoners and Detainees
 
As of November, Israel held 9,075 Palestinians in custody, including 345 minors. Of these, 738 (22 minors) were held in administrative detention, without trial and without knowing the charges against them.

B’Tselem - The Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories.

Anyone surprised here? Can it be any worse? Yes it can, and no one can stop the occupation from doing any worse than this, not until the world wakes up and U.S. stops the unlimited support to war criminals and terrorists (aka Zionists).

660 Palestinian against 17 of which 141 Palestinian child and 1 Israeli minor! Of course it is a loss for all, but look at it, is there any justification for killing all these people? If the Palestinians are terrorist for killing 17 Israeli, then what do you call the Israelis who killed 660 Palestinian? Innocent, peace lovers? Is that what they are? And if Qassam rockets are so accurate and killed less than 2 Israelis a month (as an average), then if the Israeli Merkava, missiles, Jet fighters, etc… are not the most sophisticated military equipments in the world, then what are they other than a random killing machines used by hopeless terrorists called IDF? Of course they are the most accurate machines used by the worst racist people, aka Zionists.
 
Israel killed 141 Palestinian children in year 2006 alone, when the Palestinians killed 119 Israeli children since the beginning of Intifada (and I assume they mean 2nd Intifada), which started September, 2000. That means that Israel killed more Palestinian minors in one year than what Palestinians killed in SIX years. Again, this is not a justification to kill more, but the question is; who is the REAL TERRORIST? Is it the Palestinian who are fighting for their rights and land, or the Zionist occupier who is stealing more land and killing more innocents than any other terrorist in the history?

The answer is simple: Zionists and their supporters are the cancer of our time, and they should but put to an end.

Action alert: Write to your Congressmen, wish him/her a “Happy New Year” and ask him/her to stop supporting Israel so this massacre may stop!
 
Human Rights, Israel, Merkava, Palestine, Terrorism, War Crimes, Zionism
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By Fadel Abdallah, December 31, 2006 at 11:35 pm Link to this comment
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The following is a report by B’Tselem Human Rights Jewish group; the decent and conscientious Jews, with whom Palestinians can live in peace forever. This report shows that the current Zionist administration follows practices that are worse than apartheid; it is state-sponsored terrorism.
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B’Tselem 2006 annual report
Posted: 31 Dec 2006 08:27 AM CST
 
Just another eye opener for pro-Zionists and warmongers, hopefully they can learn something new by the end of this year:

Press Release
683 people killed in the conflict in 2006
28 Dec. 06

B’Tselem publishes its 2006 annual statistics. This past year, we witnessed a deterioration in the human rights situation in the Occupied Territories , particularly in the increase in civilians killed and the destruction of houses and infrastructure in the Gaza Strip. At the same time, there was an improvement regarding violations of the right to life of Israeli civilians.

Casualties (figures in parenthesis indicate the total figure since the beginning of the intifada)

According to B’Tselem’s research, from January to December 27, 2006, Israeli security forces killed 660 (4005) Palestinians in the Occupied Territories and in Israel . This includes 141 (811) minors. At least 322 (1920) of those killed did not take part in the hostilities at the time they were killed. Another 22 (210) were targets of assassinations. In the Gaza Strip alone, since the capture of Cpl. Gilad Shalit, Israeli forces killed 405 Palestinians, including 88 minors. Of these, 205 did not participate in the fighting when killed.

Palestinians killed 17 (701) Israeli civilians in 2006, both in the West Bank and inside Israel . This includes 1 (119) minor. In addition, Palestinians killed 6 (316) members of the Israeli security forces.

House Demolitions

Israel demolished 292 houses military operations in the Occupied Territories , 279 of them in the Gaza Strip. These were home to 1,769 people. Some 80 of these demolitions were conducted after the home-owners received advance warning to the demolition. In addition, Israel demolished 42 homes in East Jerusalem that were built without a permit. These were home to about 80 people.
 
Checkpoints and restrictions on movement

Deep within the West Bank, Israel currently maintains 54 permanent checkpoints, staffed most of the time. 12 other checkpoints are within the city of Hebron . In addition, according to UN OCHA, there are on average some 160 flying checkpoints throughout the West Bank every week. In addition to the checkpoints, the Israeli military has erected hundreds of physical obstacles such as concrete blocks, dirt piles and trenches to restrict access to Palestinian communities. Palestinians have restricted access to some 41 roadways in the West Bank . Israelis have unlimited access to these roadways.

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By Spinoza, December 28, 2006 at 10:59 pm Link to this comment
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http://www.counterpunch.org/finkelstein12282006.html

December 28, 2006

Carter’s Real Sin is Cutting to the Heart of the Problem The Ludicrous Attacks on Jimmy Carter’s Book By NORMAN FINKELSTEIN
 

Finkelstein most always gets it right. Read the article.

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By Fadel Abdallah, December 28, 2006 at 7:38 pm Link to this comment
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Kindly link http://online.wsj.com
to read, in the Wall Street Journal, Ali Abunimah’s article, “A Palestinian view of Jimmy Carter’s book,” to learn that President Jimmy Carter was relatively mild with Israel when he limited his “Apartheid” description to the occupied territories of the West Bank and Gaza. The one million Palestinians inside the 1948 border of Palestine are not much better off, except for the gimmick that they are allowed to vote just to justify collecting taxes from them.
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President Carter has done what few American politicians have dared to do: speak frankly about the Israel-Palestine conflict. He has done this nation, and the cause of peace, an enormous service by focusing attention on what he calls “the abominable oppression and persecution in the occupied Palestinian territories, with a rigid system of required passes and strict segregation between Palestine’s citizens and Jewish settlers in the West Bank.”

The 39th president of the United States, the most successful Arab-Israeli peace negotiator to date, has braved a storm of criticism, including the insinuation from the pro-Israel Anti-Defamation League that his arguments are anti-Semitic.

Mr. Carter has tried to mollify critics by suggesting that his is not a commentary on Israeli policy inside Israel’s own borders, as compared with the West Bank, Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem—territories Israel occupied in 1967. He told NPR, “I know that Israel is a wonderful democracy with equal treatment of all citizens whether Arab or Jew.
And so I very carefully avoided talking about anything inside Israel.”

Given the pressure he has faced, it may be understandable that Mr. Carter says this, but he is wrong. In addition to nearly four million Palestinians living under Israeli rule in the occupied territories, another one million live inside Israel’s pre-1967 borders. These Palestinians are descendants of those who were not forced out or did not flee when Israel was created in 1948.

They have nominal Israeli citizenship, and unlike blacks in apartheid South Africa, they do vote for the country’s parliament. Yet this is where any sense of equality ends. In Israel’s history, no Arab-led party has ever been asked to join a coalition government. And, among scores of Jewish ministers, there has only ever been one Arab minister, of junior rank.

........ go tothe link to read the rest of the article!

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By Robert, December 27, 2006 at 6:13 pm Link to this comment
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Reply to comment #43790 by Lefty on 12/26 @ 12:30pm.

Hey Lefty…So you’re trying to take us through the 9/11 route. Hmmm…I see where you are coming from now & where you are trying to sidetrack this forum!


LET THE PEOPLE ON THIS FORUM WATCH & HEAR WHAT YOUR ZIONIST STATE OF ISRAEL HAS BEEN UP TO IN THESE UNITED STATES.

WATCH CARL CAMERON REPORT ON THE DETAILS…ONE WONDERS WHAT HAPPENED TO THIS REPORTER AFTER HIS REPORTS? HE IS NO WHERE TO BE SEEN ON THE MAINSTREAM NEWS MEDIA.

IT MUST HAVE BEEN A CAREER SUICIDE AT FOX NEWS FOR CARL CAMERON.

HERE IS THE LINK TO THE VIDEO OF 9:56 MINUTES (PART 2) :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHK4GxUZ9aU&mode=related&search;=

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By Lefty, December 26, 2006 at 8:49 pm Link to this comment
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Fadel,

As I suspected, an intellectual like you has no serious solution.  You would be well advised to resign yourself to the fact that Arabs will never dispossess the Jews of Israel (Zionists or otherwise) of their land.  Or, you can continue to waste your life away whining about fanatical Zionists on your pathetic path to certain failure.

Further, your infantile tactic of hiding behind the arrogant, hateful knee jerk responses of the a handful of hysterics who attacked me because I challenge their primative belief systems is also just what I would expect from an intellectual such as you.

Moreover, I have no idea what filthy comments you are referring to.  I have certainly made no comments that even approach the vulgar putrifaction that oozes from your filthy, terrorist’s mouth on this and other threads.

Finally, despite what you may wish to be true, I am neither a Zionist nor your cousin.  Now, feel free to eat sand with the rest of your real cousins, Fadel.

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By Lefty, December 26, 2006 at 1:30 pm Link to this comment
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Hey Robert,

I take it by your mindless rant that you agree with Aryan Vahedi, to whom I was responding, THAT THE NEWS FILMs OF ARABS DANCING IN THE STREETS OF THE WEST BANK AND GAZA, AS WELL AS PATERSON NEW JERSEY, CELEBRATING THE ATTACKS ON 9/11/01, WERE IN FACT ISRAELIS POSING AS ARABS, AND, FURTHERMORE, THAT THE ENTIRE 9/11 ATTACKS WERE ACTUALLY WERE ACTUALLY PLANNED AND CARRIED OUT BY ISRAEL.

Is that what you really think, Robert?  If so, you are an IDIOT, a psychopath, or both.

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By Fadel Abdallah, December 26, 2006 at 12:54 pm Link to this comment
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To Lefty # 43610

1. I wish you had the courage to use your real name, so I could feel I am addressing a real human being, with blood and flesh, rather than a programmed robot.

2. I am writing and addressing you directly for the first and last time because you brought my name up several times, and because I want to give you the benefit of the doubt. Your level of fanatic thinking does not merit the time and effort of an intellectual like my-self. Enough reasonable people have already commented on your irrationality and fanaticism; the last of which was Robert # 43728.

3. After all the filthy language you used in your comments, you address me saying: “Now, Professor, what is your solution for the Arabs in Ghaza and the West Bank?” My simple answer to this is that they should continue their legitimate and just struggle, by all means possible, till they liberate their lands from the foreign and evil occupation of colonial Zionism. Then they should forge an alliance with their “cousins” the decent Jews, who are legitimate dwellers of Palestine, to bring peace, stability and prosperity to the land. One democratic state, two demilitarized democratic states living side by side in peace, or even a confederation of two people with one future could be a formula for coexistence and lasting peace. You know that the Palestinians love Palestine so much and no force in the world will take that from them.

4. Having said this, I know that this might not solve the long-term problem of insecure fanatic Zionists like your-self. Knowing that fanatic Zionism is our Jewish cousins worst enemy, I am suggesting the following long-term solution; this solution is based on the concept that the Jews of the world should not only have one homeland for their ingathering, but at least five.

Since the historical wrongs against the Jews were most pronounced in the Spanish Inquisition, Spain should empty one of its provinces and offer it to the Jews as a compensation for the historical wrongs Spain did against Jews.

Then Germany should also vacate another part of its land and give it to the Jews to establish their exclusive Jewish state as a compensation for the wrongs Germany committed against the Jews during the Nazi era.

Then Britain, that was kind enough to offer the Zionist movement the Balfour Declaration, giving the Zionists the right to colonize a land that did not belong to them, thus initiating all the troubles that the area is facing, should set aside part of Britain’s land for Jews to establish another exclusive Jewish state.

Further more, since the United States loves Israel so much and continues to support its wrongs with treasure, misguided policies and fanatic settlers, she should be kind enough to offer part of its expansive land for an exclusively Jewish states. New York state is a good candidate since Jews are already there in large numbers.

The Jews in Palestine can have their demilitarized symbolic state, on the model of the Vatican, to serve the Jews spiritual ties to Palestine. This is the ideal and fair solution to all the historical Western injustices that the Palestinians were singled out to pay for it.

Finally, Lefty cousin, I pray that you will be cured from your Zionist fanaticism, so per chance you might see the light.

Shalom!

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By Robert, December 25, 2006 at 7:45 pm Link to this comment
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“LEFTY???”


Hey Lefty…!!! What is ailing you? I think that a lot of the people on this & other forums are aware that there is something very wrong with you & your warped fanatic zionist views.

Your head is twisted up so badly…everyone hopes that you are getting some competent “No Horseshit” help & treatment.

Which “Fanatic Zionist” school or psych ward are you a member of? You need to checkout your medication dose…I don’t think that you are getting the proper dosage.

Are you employed somewhere? If so, your co-workers need to be notified.

If you are not working, hope that your neighbors are aware of your psycho disorder.

Your “Fanatic Zionism” is your worst enemy. Are you being shackled by that IDF uniform? Hope that you haven’t shot and hurt any Palestinian women, children and un-armed civilians.

LEFTY… you can continue with all that Zionist crap on this and other forums. Your fanatic & twisted views will only help the cause for TRUTH & JUSTICE for Human Rights for all oppressed people and especially, the Palestinian people.

So continue with the distortions & twisted comments. You are not hurting anyone here!!!

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By Lefty, December 24, 2006 at 11:36 am Link to this comment
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Aryan Vahedi,

That is the most preposterous monumental pile of bullshit I’ve ever read.  Wait!  Perhaps it was only 75% bullshit.  The other 25% was horseshit. 

Fadel Abdallah,

Whatever right or claim to the land in or around Israel that Arabs may have had has been forfeited by 50 years of unabated terrorism and murder.  JMHO.  As a result, it appears that the Arabs will now be the inhabitants of the other side of a Chinese wall, of their own doing, for the foreseeable future.

Further, I feel fairly confident about the following:

1. Israel isn’t going to go away quietly.  The distruction of Israel would probably result in the mutually assured distruction of most of the middle east, if not also part of Europe and Africa, too. 

2. Israel isn’t going to give Jeruselem back to the Arabs. 

3. Israel isn’t going to allow the Arabs to return to the houses they abandoned in Israel. 

4. The nation of Israel is going to remain a refuge for persecuted Jews worldwide for the foreseeable future, and it isn’t going make any agreements that put the existence of Israel as a refuge for Jews in jeopardy.

Now, Professor, what is your solution for the Arabs in Gaza and the West Bank?

Personally, I think an atheism movement would be a good start.  Primative, tribalistic Islamist, fundimentalist (no different than Christianity, or biblical Judaism), terrorism will serve only to strengthen the Chinese wall segregating them from each other and the world.  I also don’t think that being split into two regions is a viable solution.  I don’t see that there is any kind of a land exchange deal that would: 1) maintain Israeli security, and 2) be acceptable to both the current inhabitants of any putative exchanged lands unless the Arabs were willing to abandond Gaza.

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By Fadel Abdallah, December 22, 2006 at 10:26 pm Link to this comment
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Dear Kellina: Comment #43363

Thank you very much for your thoughtful understanding and concurrence with my previous comment. You must be an open-minded individual and a person of reason.

If the subject of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict or the issue of peace is of particular interest to you, I would like to continue an exchange of ideas and thoughts on the subject with you. We can do it on this forum, or, if you prefer, we can write to each other directly. If you opt for the second choice, you’re welcomed to write me at: .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)

Fadel Abdallah is my real name and I am an American of Palestinian background. Fudfud is a nickname given to me by a dear friend during my college days. I am a college professor and author of several books and I live and work in the Chicago area.

Thank you again, best regards and I hope to hear from you again!

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By Doug Tarnopol, December 22, 2006 at 2:57 pm Link to this comment
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Spot on, Mr. Hedges—and Eleanore (#42732) and Don (#42759).

I take the rising hysteria about Carter’s book as a hopeful sign. Everyone knows it’s a huge bestseller. Everyone knows that Carter is not an anti-Semite by a long shot.

What everyone does not know is just how bad things in the OTs are, and your concise description will help break through the apparently willful ignorance of the so-called educated elite. Having married into an Italian-Catholic, not particularly religious, working-class family (coming from an upper-middle-class, suburban, Jewish family), I can tell you that, anecdotally, the less “educated” (read, “indoctrinated”) are far from supportive of Israel’s mad rampage through the OTs and Lebanon. And, no, it’s not a matter of anti-Semitism. Which is to say, yeah, sure, there’s a faint Big-Bang-like background noise of anti-Semitism, culturally speaking, but it simply doesn’t hook up in any serious way with the vast majority of criticism of Israel.

However, one should not be surprised if anti-Semitic outbursts arise (see comment #42734; nicely bookended by talk of “Arab vermin” elsewhere) as Israel continues on its suicidal course, taking us along for the ride (at our—meaning our government’s—fully voluntary acquiescence, the reality of the Israel lobbies notwithstanding). People don’t react rationally, and the over-identification of “Jews” with “Israel,” itself a consciously disseminated product of the Israel lobbies and hasbarah (racist though it is, of course), could very well come home to roost in not particularly pleasant ways.

It’s interesting that more American Jews haven’t noticed this. Or, perhaps, they have, and that lies underneath the hysteria:

“Oh, shit; it’s going to happen again once people see what Israel’s been up to! Thus, we must keep people focussed on the Holocaust and ‘Islamo-fascism’...” and so forth.

If this insight is valid, that kind of fear seems rather overdone, though, like most self-destructive behaviors, it could become a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Not to reduce this terrible situation by any means to American-Jewish self-interest; they’re not being bombed, shelled, and imprisoned in, let’s face it, the world’s largest concentration camp (not—yet?—a death camp in the Nazi sense), meaning, of course, Gaza. But since the behavior and opinion of so many American Jews is so illogical—even from the most self-interested standpoint—it has to be psychological. I wonder if my intution isn’t correct, at least partially: the fear is not only another Holocaust in Israel—it’s the US people are worried about as well.

As for non-Jewish, non-Christian-Right Americans who are equally blind to Israel’s awful trajectory since 1967, I can only speculate that it is due to a usually well-meant desire not to offend a group so clearly traumatized by genocide. No one wants to appear anti-Semitic—it’s a measure of the degree of acceptance Jews have won in America that this should be the case.

The ironies are so painful, I fear I’m probably more right than wrong. It’d be just like history to pull that kind of stunt, wouldn’t it?

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By Kellina, December 22, 2006 at 9:04 am Link to this comment
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Dear Fadel Abdallah,
I think you are right, in many respects, that this conflict is not really about religion. It’s true that people on one side hate those on the other, but they don’t seem to be arguing about the finer points of Bronze-Age philosophy.

I like your idea also that perhaps Americans are aligned with Israel out of misguided identification with America’s past genocide/ethnic cleansing of the American Indians.

But consider who benefits with this extended conflict? As others have pointed out, Israel might as well BE America, as we have armed them to the hilt. Perhaps that is the plan; Israel is our (and Britain’s) base in the Middle East from which to wage all-out warfare to suck up the remaining oil in the region.

So in the end, I agree that it’s not really about region, but there seem to be forces trying to take advantage of the fact that one set of religionists hates the other.

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By Aryan Vahedi, December 21, 2006 at 7:40 pm Link to this comment
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In reaction to Comment #43181 by Lefty

Did you know that those dancing “arabs” were actually israeli citizens. It is known there were Mossad agents, and they were extraditied without charge to Israel. They were arrested by NYC police and their van was found to have traces of explosive materials in them. Not only that they had a suspicious amount of cash and worked for a Mossad front moving compnay that was contracted to work in the WTC towers. This information has been heavily censored by U.S. media (just like their suppression of the aparthied in Israel). In reality you should ask yourself why they were there documenting the event with a video camera and celebrating its success. Here are links for news reports of the situation.

This site is slightly biased as it is a catholic interest site (and also the extreme interest that arises in this knowledge) but it contains links to the actually news reports in official AP newspapers and local news stations:

http://www.todayscatholicworld.com/mossad-agents-911.htm

Here is a video interview of them admitting their purpose was to document the events, this interview took place after they were extradited:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcON2XbFR3I&NR;
Now all you have to do is get by your denial that Israel was behind 9/11 and current U.S. wars and read this in its entirety:

http://www.rys2sense.com/anti-neocons/viewtopic.php?t=1388&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Get over the lies they sanction on the main stream media.

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By Polly Ester, December 21, 2006 at 5:03 pm Link to this comment
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“So with these kind of weapons…Why would any single Israeli strap his/her body and indiscriminately kill Arab women and children?”

Israel is a nation with a national reserve of over 500,000 troops that can be instantly mobilized, their military strength is further compounded by the abundant amount of equipment and weapons imported from the US—-thus, making Israel one of the top ten military operations in the world.

When someone straps a bomb to their body, it is not necessary to be a rocket scientist to acknowledge, that this is act of rage and hopelessness.  Being incarcerated, behind a wall and relegated to poverty—creates the conditions which make suicide the only alternative, those who strap a bomb to their body, know that David’s slingshot is no match against a cluster bomb.

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By Almaz, December 21, 2006 at 3:29 pm Link to this comment
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Wow when it is Muslims killing each other like cats and dogs who are you blaming now Israel.

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By Fadel Abdallah, December 21, 2006 at 1:46 pm Link to this comment
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To: #43188 by Jon B on 12/21 at 8:20 am

To: #42995 Kellina writes “We’ll never have peace in Israel as long as there are three different religions of Abraham.”
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Kellina and Jon B: You both got it wrong. The problem between Palestininans and Israelis is not all about religion, though religion seems to surface sometimes.

On the Palestinian side, it is about survival, dignity, human rights, justice and nationalistic aspirations.

On the Israeli side, it is also about misconceived security after what the Europeans did to them in Spain and Germany. They want to feel secure in a land they call their own; but since that land was inhabited by the Palestinian natives, the Zionist program had to disposses the natives, fight them and try to annihilate them; exactly as the early European Americans did to the natives of America. The story of colonizing America has a more recent parallel in colonizing Palestine by the Jews. It’s more about crude, ugly ideology of nationalism and materialism than about religion. And that also explains why political and official America has always been supporting Israel’s wrong; it makes them feel they are not alone in the evil perpetrated against the natives! In human affairs, even evil doers find consolation in like-minded company.

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By Mark Dolce, December 21, 2006 at 9:27 am Link to this comment
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I have done my research. I have found that Israel would not be able to exist without support from the United States. Ever since 1948, the US has funneled countless amounts of money and political support for the state of Israel. Why? The United States continues to make Israel the largest recipient of foreign aid in the world as it builds a 28 foot high wall to imprison Palestinians in Gaza- why? If one third of the budget on the Iraq War was spent toward the formation of a Free Palestine - there would be the creation of a country and state for those who deserve it and it would lead to the decrease in world wide terrorism - after all is that not the focus of the war in Iraq? To stop the spread of terror with a War On Terror? The seemingly endless support by Democrats (especially Democrats who are heavily influenced by the Jewish lobby) and Republicans in United States Congress is an act of attrition. The edict that Palestine carries as a banner stating that Israel does not have a right to exist and vice versa, is political rhetoric and posturing - it’s just words. I believe these words would would fall away and become a non concern once the real effort to create a Free Plaestine was instigated. Actions speak louder than words and in the same breath it takes words to NEGOTIATE. There is dissent within Israel. The relocation of settlers in the West Bank has created a rift within Israel- who killed Rabin? It was not and Arab or Palestinian. The concept of not negotiating with terrorists is ignorant and non-productive for Israel and the United States. How many ex-leaders of Israel and perhaps current or past government members of Israel were “terrorists” in their “cause” for “independence” and “freedom?” How many Britsh did the Israeli’s kill in their quest for independence? Is there no blood on thier hands? Are not “terrorists” the leaders of a revolution in an uprising for a people seeking independence - like George Washington was to the creation of an independent country called the United States? And who did England end up negotiating with? The continued oppression and subjugation of Palestinians in Gaza is not only wrong but it is the root of wide spread terrorist activites inside Israel and across the Middle East and Europe and 9-11. The Iraq war and the increase of anti-American sentiment began to escalte and become obvious after 1967. But the United States ignored it in their quest for oil. The British and the French began to give Palestine away after World War I. The sympathetic feelings toward the Jews after Wold War II lead to the creation of a Jewish state and in the process the Palestinians became the oppressed and homless. The United States cannot keep referring to the Holocaust as a reason to funnel billions of dollars to Israel and to accept its oppression of the Palestinians. I believe Jew and Arab and Jew and Palestinian can live side by side and coexist withour war or terrorism - they are people who want homes and to live and function in peace, they have families to support and lives they need to carry out and live. Everyone has a right to live. The United States has become and ally of Israel. People are just people - the politcally motivated leaders and countries have lost sight of the need for people to live in a country of their own because of greed and power, fear of losing some resource or position in the world. Are not governments and leaders supposed to represent what the people need?  The world has seen its list of oppressed races, tribes, clans and nations, to rationalize this is no reason to continue the demise of the Palestinians and the support of Israel to do so.

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By Jon B, December 21, 2006 at 9:20 am Link to this comment
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#42995 Kellina writes “We’ll never have peace in Israel as long as there are three different religions of Abraham.”

Israel isn’t the only one. History shows that religions are the cause of human miseries, not the salvation. All of these delusional apes of stone age ought to be put together in an enclosed stadium where they can stone each other to death. In the name of their god, they had committed countless atrocities, bloodshed, genocide, intolerance, discrimination and worse, they are unmoved by 2000 years of civilization.

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By Lefty, December 21, 2006 at 8:19 am Link to this comment
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One more thing!  I remember vividly the news film coverage of Palestinians dancing in the streets celebrating the attacks on 9/11/01.  I was also informed that Palestinian immigrants were similarly celebrating in the streets of Patterson, New Jersey, on 9/11/01 in view of the smoldering twin towers.  They elected to power a well established terrorist group, Hamas, which has publicly taken credit for dozens of terrorist attacks, and which declaims, as a major tenet of its existence, the destruction of Israel.  They lob rockets into residential Israeli neighborhoods, and brainwash teenagers to willingly walk into crowded civilian pulblic places and blow themselves up, both for the sole purpose of murdering innocent civilians. 

Sorry, I don’t have any sympathy for the Palestinians whatsoever, none.

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By Lefty, December 21, 2006 at 6:52 am Link to this comment
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Click on this link, scroll down and click on the video.  After watching the video, explain to me again why Israel isn’t doing what it must do.

http://dark-sided.blogspot.com/2006/09/little-girl-is-true-muslim-for-hating.html

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By Robert, December 20, 2006 at 11:39 pm Link to this comment
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Reply to comment #42853 by Harold S Kramer on 12/19

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“Consider this-not one single Israeli strapped explosives to their body, and indiscriminately killed Arab women and children.”


In today’s world, Israel has been conducting the most vicious acts of “state terrorism” with indiscrimanate killings of the Palestinians & Lebanese people.

Israel’s “state terror” attacks has killed 10 times more innocent people than attacks by Palestinians & Lebanese on Israelis.

Israel can be called a country of murderers & thugs. In the past few years, Israel has indiscriminately killed thousands of palestinians (Christian & Moslem), women and children. Israel has committed war crimes, barbaric tortures, brutal oppression, countless targeted assassinations, and apartheid occupation of the Palestinians.

There are about 10,000 Palestinian prisoners in Israeli jails & prisons. Most of them have been brutally tortured for years. Some of the prisoners are 12 year old boys and women. Most of the Palestinians in Israeli prisons for years without any charges.

Israel has no respect for UN Resolutions, Geneva Conventions Articles, International Law and Palestinian / Arabs lives.

The Palestinian people want to free themselves from Israel’s brutal & apartheid racist occupation. Their land and resources are all going to Israel’s Jewish immigrants. All expenses paid for by our American taxpayers.

American aid to Israel is $3-5 billion per year. So far, more that $108 billion dollars of U.S. aid (1948-2006). No questions asked by our elected officials & by most of the American people.

Israel uses our American made weapons to conduct their campaign of “TERROR & KILLINGS” against the unarmed Palestinian population.

Just ask yourself…Who has America’s most sophisticated weapon arsenals? Is it Israel or the Palestinians?

Israel has the most sophiticated US fighter & bomber jets, tanks, helicopter gunships, missiles, armored personnel carriers, advanced bombs/technology,cluster bombs, submarines, destroyers, and let us not forget Israel’s…stockpiles of undeclared nuclear, chemical and biological weapons, with NO outside inspections of their facilities and factories for “WMD’S”.

So with these kind of weapons…Why would any single Israeli strap his/her body and indiscriminately kill Arab women and children?

Maybe the Palestinians need to have the same kind of weapons that Israel has to defend themselves, their women, children, honor and human dignity.

WHAT WOULD ISRAEL DO IF ALL AMERICAN AID & WEAPON SHIPMENTS STOP?

WHAT WOULD “AIPAC” AND ISRAEL DO IF ALL $MONEY$ CONTRIBUTIONS TO “AIPAC” AND OTHER ZIONIST ORGANIZATIONS WERE BANNED AND MADE NON-TAX DEDUCTABLE?

THE TRUTH IS ON “TRUTHDIG” AND NOT ON CNN, FOX NEWS, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC, NPR, AND MANY OTHER MAINSTREAM NEWS MEDIAS, NEWS PAPERS…ETC.

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By Robert, December 20, 2006 at 10:29 pm Link to this comment
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Reply to comment #42853 by Harold S Kramer on 12/19

“Consider this - not one single Israeli strapped explosives to their body, and indiscriminately killed Arab women & children.”

Wow…Harold Kramer. I am just wondering what are you trying to spew here to the people of this forum/discussion?

For the TRUTH & record…it was the Jews who brought terror, indiscriminate murders and killings to Palestine.

The Irgun & Stern Terrorist Gang (1931-1948) led by Avraham Tehomi, Avaraham Stern & Menachem Begin. In 1943 Menachem Begin (prime minister of Israel 1977-‘83) became head of the Israeli terrorist organization (Irgun Zvai Leumi) which was responsible for waging terror campaigns & attacks on British rule in Palestine & against Palestinian Arabs.

On July 22, 1946 the King David Hotel in Jerusalem was bombed by the Irgun terrorists commanded by Menachem Begin. The Irgun terrorists entered the King David Hotel dressed as Palestinian Arabs. The British headqurter’s office wing of King David Hotel was targeted, indiscriminately killing 91 people.

One of many Irgun & Stern Gang terror massacres & indiscriminate killings was on the Palestinian village of Deir Yassin, on the outskirts of Jerusalem. On April 9, 1948 Irgun & Stern terrorists attacked the village of Deir Yassin with a population of about 750 residents. A body count of 254 innocent Palestinians brutally massacred. MORE THAN HALF WERE WOMEN & CHILDREN.
The above are only a few examples of the many terror attacks & killings by the Jewish Irgun & Stern Gang terrorists.

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By Joe, December 20, 2006 at 8:17 pm Link to this comment
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This was the worst, most biased article I’ve read since The Hamas Charter.

Get a damn clue.

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By Polly Ester, December 20, 2006 at 6:32 pm Link to this comment
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“If you were an israeli surrounded by people whose sole goal was to kill you—- what would you do???”

They could move to Great Neck, New York.  But seriously Kellina is right when she says that English Colonialists created this mess, and now this mess is further compounded by American Imperialism.

Expansionism is the natural consequence of capitalism—a system that demands ever increasing resources in order to achieve larger profits, even if it will eventually cause its own demise.

And aren’t we lucky to have such an erudite commander-in-chief, who knows just how to save the day.

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By Ion C. Laskaris, December 20, 2006 at 4:54 pm Link to this comment
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To address Cris Hedge’s ludicrous, subservient pro-Arab bias, and as a Greek/American atheist and humanist a small footnote to Kellina’s comment.

So the Hamas/Fatah factions are slaughtering one another, and the Jews, as usual, are solely to blame? The pretense that Arabs in this region have some god-given right to the land of Palestine is historical and hysterical drivel.
Does Hedges have any idea how much land was sold to Jews by rich Arab landowners, at fabulous prices, from 1880 to 1940? I’m confident he does not! Does he have any idea how many Jews were expelled from all the Arab lands they had lived in for hundreds of years, with complete confiscation of their lands,property and often ransom payments in order to escape?

We are talking about Arab vermin here,and the more they hog-butcher one another, the less time
they have to threaten Israel and its Jews, the only civilized nation in a barbarous and degenerate Moslem world. Hedges is nothing but a cheap call-girl peddling Arab propaganda. In the good old days of Nazi Germany, he would have fit right in with Goebbel’s crowd. Enough said!

On Kellina’s comment she may be interested to note the drive for oil fields under British control became crucial for them late in the 19th century when the conversion of the British fleet from coal-fired to oil-fired engines became both practical and urgent from a world grand strategy perspective. Massie’s “Dreadnaught” is a good introduction to that subject. “The Arab Mind” by
the distinguished scholar of Arab culture, Patai has great insights into the roots of Arab male psychic behaviors, (mostly self-defeating)as well

Ion C. Laskaris,Burlington,Vt.+ iclrevusa.com

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By don't bring your guns to town, December 20, 2006 at 4:54 pm Link to this comment
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it’s amazing how we all keep getting suckered into rehashing and reiterating the same repetitious rhetoric about a problem that’s never going away in our lifetimes. arab-israeli conflict blah blah blah.

maybe they should fight it out to the end.

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By Mariana Petoom, December 20, 2006 at 3:59 pm Link to this comment
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I didn’t hear any complaints when Jordan expelled over 10,000 Palestinians from their homeland-JORDAN.  I didn’t read any mention of the Palestinian bombings that kill innocent people.  Your article is most unbalanced.  Shame on you for just issuing propaganda.

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By MAR, December 20, 2006 at 2:30 pm Link to this comment
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My first comment apparently did not make the grade. Sorry, I did not think it intemperate, only the truth as I dig it.

But Chris Hedges opinions have a lack of historical appreciation and therefore are rubbish, although I do not debate that he sees what he sees in current times. I also was there many years ago, a few years after after 1947 and later on after 1955 with the UN. I am neither a Jew nor an Arab, in fact, I grew up in an area where neither are visible.

The Jews were promised a homeland in the Balfour declaration. Lawrence, a noted anti-Jew, promised, on no authority, that the Hashemite leaders would cut the cake of Ottoman lands if they helped expell the Turks.  At that time there were no “Palestinians” but Jews and Arabs occupying the land held by the Ottomans. I believe the term ‘Palestine’ was a British adoption at the time of the Mandate.  The Arabs (Canaanites?) had been there since time immemorial, as had the Jews (also now known as Canaanites archeologically). The influx of Zionist Jews at the turn of the 20th century was not even looked at favourably by the resident Jews who had made their accommodation with their neighbour Arabs, and although few, had been in the same land since 1500BC - with minor residencies in Persia.

The so-called ‘Palestinians” (Arabs) fled the new Israel because Israel was now in a position to do what the Arabs had threatened to do to the Jews. A bloodbath. They refrained but only gave tit for tat, or is it an eye for an eye and an ear for an ear, as the Arabs later continued to committ the atrocities that had greeted the Zionists in the early 20th Century.  The Arabs ran scared, they were not evicted. Their neighbour Arab states did nothing to help their condition. Jordan alone allowed camps to be erected until they too evicted the Arab/Palestinians.

And why not should the Holocaust count, in addition to the countless pogroms instituted by so-called Christians? The Balfour Declaration was in recognition of two thousand years of persecution of Jews by ‘Christians’; the Holocaust was the horrible icing on the cake.   

As a non believer, I decry the terrors perepetrated in the name of one or another distorted religious views of truth. When are we moderns going to cast off the nonsense that religion cloaks everything?

It is sad that civilians are injured and killed - particularly women and children. But it should be obvious to anyone with any knowledge that the Arabs have used innocents as shields for a long time. Extremist, fundamentalist Muslims have no sense of anything wrong in this. If they are good Muslims they will go to paradise; if they are non-Muslim they are ipso facto the enemy anyway.

In the meantime, Mr. Hedges seems to have a palpable bias against the Israel nation and its attempts to survive. 

Read Sam Harris in respect to religion and its warping effect on our world. I am with him.

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By Stanley, December 20, 2006 at 12:51 pm Link to this comment
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I am sympathetic with those posting who feel for the suffering of the Palestinian people.  It is one of the more attractive American traits is such sympathy for the downtrodden.  It explains in part the support for international Jewery during the Hitler era and the period shortly after the Holocaust.

I am not sympathetic to the unreasoned sympathy when it results in the uncritical criticism of those who appear to be bringing the suffering to the Palestinian people.  It is just not so simple.

President Carter has done many admirable things.  His recent book, however, is far less than balanced.

What follows are some of the criticisms of Alan Dershowitz. I believe they deserve being seriously considered.


“Nowhere in his book does he explain that Israel’s motivation for holding on to land it captured in a defensive war is the prevention of terrorism. Israel has tried, on several occasions, to exchange land for peace, and what it got instead was terrorism, rockets and kidnappings launched from the returned land.

“In fact, Palestinian-Arab terrorism is virtually missing from Mr. Carter’s entire historical account, which blames nearly everything on Israel. Incredibly, he asserts that the initial violence in the Israeli/Palestinian conflict occurred when “Jewish militants” attacked Arabs in 1939. The long history of Palestinian terrorism against Jews, which began in 1929, was motivated by religious bigotry. The Jews responded to this racist violence by establishing a defense force. There is no mention of the long history of Palestinian terrorism before the occupation, or of the Munich massacre and others inspired by Yasser Arafat.

“Mr. Carter emphasizes that “Christian and Muslim Arabs had continued to live in this same land since Roman times,” but he ignores the fact that Jews have lived in Hebron, Tzfat, Jerusalem, and other cities for even longer.
He claims that in 1967 Israel launched a preemptive attack against Jordan. The fact is that Jordan attacked Israel first, Israel tried desperately to persuade Jordan to remain out of the war, and Israel counterattacked after the Jordanian army surrounded Jerusalem, firing missiles into the centre of the city. Only then did Israel capture the West Bank.
Mr. Carter faults Israel for its “air strike that destroyed an Iraqi nuclear reactor” without mentioning that Iraq had threatened to attack Israel with nuclear weapons if Iraq built a bomb.
Mr. Carter even blames Israel for the “exodus of Christians from the Holy Land,” ignoring the Islamization of the area by Hamas and the comparable exodus of Christian Arabs from Lebanon as a result of the increasing influence of Hezbollah.

“He has little good to say about any Israelis—except those few who agree with him. But he apparently got along swimmingly with the very secular Syrian mass-murderer Hafez al-Assad. Mr. Carter and his wife Rosalynn also had a fine time with the equally secular Arafat, a man who has the blood of hundreds of Americans and Israelis on his hands: “Rosalynn and I met with Yasir Arafat in Gaza City, where he was staying with his wife, Suha, and their little daughter. The baby, dressed in a beautiful pink suit, came readily to sit on my lap, where I practiced the same wiles that had been successful with our children and grandchildren.”

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By MAR, December 20, 2006 at 12:36 pm Link to this comment
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I am not a Jew. But I am old enough and been there enough as UN after 1952 to know that people on this thread do not seem to know the history of the area. Hedges continues to say that the Palestinians were evicted from the new Israel. Nonsense! They fled because they feared that the Jews would inflict the same bloodbath that they, the Arabs, had promised the Jews. Not one Arab nation helped those fleeing but used them as tools for their own purposes. I am not debating that the conditions in Gaza are as Hedges decribed but they have reaped almost 60 years of whirlwind. All they have to do is stop their ceaseless violence and the Israelis will stop theirs.

Hedges antisemitism is palpable.

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By lifewriter, December 20, 2006 at 10:43 am Link to this comment
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Our lives begin to end the day we become silent
about things that matter.

- Rev. Dr.  Martin Luther King

The lack of real coverage by our Western Media on almost every other war front currently underway today compares quite easily to Hedge’s article above.  From the absence of real details about the illegal use of white phosphorous against the citizens of Fallujah and Beirut, to the consistent and oppressive tactics undertaken by the Bush administration, and his all too willing media, our world is - time and again - drastically misrepresented to us.  The people of Palestine and their war against the Israelis is a case in point, as the article so pointedly illustrates:
See http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article14208.htm

For a graphical litany of US atrocities committed against Iraqis:
See http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2004-19,GGLD:en&sa=N&resnum=0&q=fallujah white phosphorus&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&tab=wi

“There might have been terrorists hiding in those houses, we could not afford to take risks in evacuating the civilians.”  Perhaps in the near future we’ll hear that type of justification employed on a more Western Front. 

I choose to commingle these two warring nations with the intention of illustrating that intergovernmental complicity not only exists, but ensures the very persistence of such conflicts.  How many times has the US pulled the veto card when the rest of the UN were ready to simply censure Israel?  How many times has the US provided military and material support to Israel’s efforts to thwart Palestine’s labors toward prosperity?  Too often to go unnoticed, frankly. And we, as Americans, with our Starbucks in one hand, and our video cell phones in the other can’t seem to be bothered by such oddities as war and strife.  Let’s talk about American Idle, there’s a topic.  That puddle of blood in some alley in Palestine, yeah…the bastards probably go what they deserved.  Even the 3 year old kid. 

It might well be that the Bush team has assisted in the facilitation of today’s global war epidemic, but the elephant made it’s way into the living room long ago - at the moment Trinity detonatied on 16 July, 1945, out in the beautiful New Mexico desert.  The nuclear threat has ushered humanity into a new and diabolic age, where civilian deaths are delivered in mass, and conflict is allegedly ended on a very immediate plane.  Israel and US forces today attempt to quell any other nation that might be so bold as to develop it’s own competing military industrial complex.

The search for WMDs in Iraq has unleashed an ironic cache of it’s own, from depleted uranium munitions poisoning the Iraqi air and earth for decades to come, to the rampant use of cluster bombs on civilian targets (Israelis admitted as much in Beirut). Both squarely qualify as crimes against humanity.  It’s hard to take the war profiteers seriously when you hear them speak with such disconnection about how things are better in Iraq now.

If there is one lesson to take away from this story, it’s the striking realization that the Nazis of yesterday have morphed into modern day fashion models - ear prompted mannequins - reciting a litany of familiar, well marketed slogans and lies in print and on air for our consumption.  But other essential elements remain: the lust for blood, combined with the venom of hatred and paranoia; perhaps most importantly, it’s the deadly tenacity of the very American ideal of profiting as profoundly as possible, while annihilating the competition. And our inaction – our complacency as a nation of liberated thinkers – places us at the brink of succumbing to the dreadful disease of apathy, just as the German civilians did in the early 1940s.

http://baltimorechronicle.com/011305PaulLevy.shtml

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By Wendy, December 20, 2006 at 10:18 am Link to this comment
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Good article. Thank you. Also, here’s a thoughtful review by a West Bank resident of Jimmy Carter’s new book:

http://calitreview.com/Reviews/palestine_107.htm

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By Ron Klein, December 20, 2006 at 10:06 am Link to this comment
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Our blind support for Israel is what led to 9/11. We continue to create more groups who want to relatiate for our violence in the Middle
East. The creation of Israel on Palestinian land was one the most serious foreign policy mistakes of the 20th century and we are still paying the price. What did people expect when they ethnically cleansed Palestinians from their homes and villages? We should have in the WWII ear and NOW open our doors to all in Palestine who do not wish to live under a Palestinian majority as we allow all displaced Palestinians to return to their homes.

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By Mark Dolce, December 20, 2006 at 10:05 am Link to this comment
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Israel would not exist without United States support. Since 1948 we have become an ally of Israel instead of the other way around. If half or even one third of the resources the United States has allocated for the Iraq War (or the amount of foreign aid we give Israel every year) were used to help create a Free Palestine - we would see a drop in worldwide terrorism and a country created and deservedly so. By now, the history of the world is full of oppressed, repressed and tortured people. This is not a reason to accept the continuation of this situation. A fence around Gaza and the continued subjugation and oppression of the Palestinians is not a way to create “peace’ in the Middle East. To accuse one or the other of being a terrorist and to not “negotiate” with terrorists is blind and ignorant. George Washington was a terrorist in the eyes of Britain - but who did England end up negotiating with? Who are the leaders (present and past) of Israel? Is there no blood on their hands? Were they not terrorists at one time in the fight for their “cause”? The argument that Palestine does not believe Israel has the right to exist or vice versa is rhetoric and political posturing that would eventually fall to the wayside with the building and creation of a Free Palestine - actions speak louder than words. I have done my research and read my history. Palestine was taken away from the Palestinians because of the motive to find a homeland and country for the dispossessd Jews after World War II - the French and the British mandated this and the US and UN accepted it. And ever since the United States has been the primary force behind forcing a square peg in a round hole. Since 1948, the US became the primary supporter of Israel (instead of Britain or France) - financially and politically. Why? And in the creation of Israel the Palestinians became the dispossessed. Israel is experiencing unrest in their own country because of relocation of settlers on the West Bank. Who killed Rabin? It was not an Arab or Palestinian. Without a Free Palestine - there will only be more corruption, tactics of genocide and apartheid and terrorism. The Democratic party benefits the most from Jewish lobbyists and sympathies. Both Israel and Palestine have a right to exist and I believe they can do so next to each other peaceably. As a person who lived in the Midle East for 20 years, I know this can happen but not without a revolution inside and behind the closed doors of Washington (Democrat or Republican) to redefine its agenda or to even come clean on its agenda - that would be a start.

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By Bill W Vogt, December 20, 2006 at 9:55 am Link to this comment
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Most of the pro-Israeli comments seem to come from the 90% bracket of ill-informed Americans who are perhaps too lazy to research the history and thus, only base their beliefs off of 10 second sound bites on Fox News channel. They believe that this all started in 1948 rather than in 1917 with The Balfour Declaration (see http://domino.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/561c6ee353d740fb8525607d00581829/aeac80e740c782e4852561150071fdb0!OpenDocument). This is understandable, as most Americans have no understanding of their own history, much less Palestine’s.

Most Americans don’t realize that Israel is subsidized by their tax dollars to the tune of $10 billion dollars a year in grants, foreign aid, and loans, none of which is ever repaid!

Most Americans don’t realize what most of the world has understood for quite some time now -The United States government is the largest threat to peace in the world. Our government has been the state sponsor of terrorism throughout the world for quite some time now. I am a Viet-Nam veteran who has been there and done that, as now our Iraq veterans have as well.

Unfortunately, the pro-Israeli people have likely learned about world events from the comfort of their Lay-Z-Boys, right before switching over to ‘The American Idol’....sad.

In short, Miss Rose Comfort, Jk, Tim, Andrew, lefty, Don Banard, Harold S Kramer, etc. should probably do their homework before offering ill-informed comments.

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By Kellina, December 20, 2006 at 9:51 am Link to this comment
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P.S. In England, people speak of Blair as “Bush’s Poodle” but it is Bush who is Blair’s poodle. The US has behaved toward the Middle East exactly how Britain wanted. The Council on Foreign Relations is a thinly disguised British lobbying group, the American branch of the Royal Institute of International Affairs. (The CFR has a website as well as a journal, Foreign Affairs, which dictates US foreign policy.)

Hillary is a member of the CFR, as is Robert Gates. Obama? I’m not sure if he is a member, but his wife Michelle is on the board of directors of the Chicago branch of the CFR. No one can come to power in this country without the CFR’s blessing. It doesn’t matter if you Repub or Democrat. The same people retain the power.

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By Kellina, December 20, 2006 at 9:33 am Link to this comment
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Britain created modern-day Israel, and in fact had hopes for its creation soon after oil was discovered in the Middle East. The holocaust was a convenient excuse to bring about the nation of Israel. Britain facilitated Hitler’s rise to power (in hopes of containing both Russia and the USSR), too. Truthdidg that!

I don’t think that this ancient claim to land is valid. By this logic, one should give back all of the US to its indigenous peoples. It is supremely horrific what the US gov’t and settlers did to Native Americans. But turning over the Eastern Seaboard to their descendants doesn’t right the wrongs—it only causes more trouble to more innocent people. People who currently live there are not guilty of prior genocide; their banishment or death would not address previous wrongs.

All you people sound like babyish siblings whose arguments amoung to “but he hit me first, mom!” Someone has to have the maturity to stop it. “Never again!” has to mean something. Tikun Olam, making the world a better place, has to mean something.

Of course I believe that the Holocaust was a terrible thing. But I don’t believe that Jews as a result deserve to occupy land that already had other people living there. It would have made as much sense to let all the Jewish survivors take over Long Island, NY.

I am a Jew. And I am an atheist. We’ll never have peace in Israel as long as there are three different religions of Abraham. Three completely incompatible Stone-Age fairy tales about real estate, rocks, buildings, spirits, and men who never existed or who, if they existed, never had any magical powers. There is no God. Or, IF “he” exists, he is one sadistic mother-fucker. I’d rather put my faith in humans who are striving to make a difference.

Telling the truth is the first step. Thank you, Truthdig.

p.s. How can I send you money? How do you fund this site? Is it all advertising?

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By WCG, December 20, 2006 at 9:27 am Link to this comment
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So the fighting between Hamas and Fatah is Israel’s fault? And Israel wants to take over Gaza,... which is presumably why they gave it up in a unilateral peace deal?
    The whole situation is a mess, to be sure, but howling about Israeli “Nazis” is no help. I can’t say that Israel is following the right path, but what are they supposed to do when they’re attacked? Peace initiatives have gotten them nowhere. It takes two to make peace, you know. And Hamas will not even accept their right to exist.
    PR is not going Israel’s way. Since their enemies hide among civilian populations, Israeli attacks end up killing civilians. And, admittedly, they attack infrastructure to try to force their enemies to negotiate. But Palestinians deliberately attack Israeli civilians. However, since they’ve been less effective lately, it doesn’t get the press. And people in other countries, sitting safe at home, deplore the violence.
    Yeah, it’s easy to complain about Israel when you’re not sitting there. They’re not perfect, but their enemies are far worse. And what’s the solution? There isn’t an easy one. If you think there is, dream on. Until BOTH sides want to make peace, the violence will continue. And no one on the Palestinian side dares talk about peace, because it’s too dangerous - the extremists on his own side will kill him. They don’t want a tolerant modern democracy. Freedom of speech? Only if you don’t disagree.
    America supports Israel, while Syria and Iran support Hamas. It is not to our advantage that the violence continues, but it IS to Syria’s advantage and to Iran’s advantage. Peace initiatives from the Palestinian side would be met with violence - from their OWN side. Look at the fighting between Hamas and Fatah. You don’t dare talk about peace - and you certainly don’t dare talk about freedom of speech or religion - because Islamic extremists don’t accept those things. Neither do Jewish extremists, for that matter, but they don’t have things all their way in Israel. It’s not suicide in Israel to speak your mind.

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By yahway, December 20, 2006 at 9:19 am Link to this comment
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the jews of israel and the people supporting israel are the worst people in all of history.

their system of oppression is worse than the nazi system and the apartheid system combined.

may israel and its supporters perish from history.

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By don, December 20, 2006 at 8:37 am Link to this comment
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If you were an israeli surrounded by people whose sole goal was to kill you—- what would you do???

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By william meredith, December 20, 2006 at 7:57 am Link to this comment
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I like to believe good people in Israel will
take control of the government at some point to bring about peace and reconcilation. I believe Bush’s predessors all had a grasp of the situation but,of course, he hasn’t the foggest
notion of the current state of affairs.  Meredith

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By BabsC, December 20, 2006 at 6:04 am Link to this comment
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Palestinian Arabs are not a seperate gene type or culture from (Trans)Jordons, Syrias, Iranians, etc…so no “genacide” here.
Safardic(sp) Jews were ethnically cleansed from their homes, where are all those “refugees” and why don’t Jews count and why do you act as if Jews were never in the mideast? Ever heard of the masacre of the Medina Jews? Who got all the “booty” from their “cleansing”?
The usual producers being punished by non-producers.
With Egypt on the border with Gaza why aren’t they opening their doors to the so-called Palestian refugees…....

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By Robert, December 20, 2006 at 1:50 am Link to this comment
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TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT WHO IS IN-CHARGE OF THE ALL THE ACTION IN ISRAEL’S DEMOCRACY “FOR JEWS ONLY”!

TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT ISRAEL’S “DEMOCRACY REPRESENTATIVES” WHO ARE WORKING HARD TO PROMOTE HUMAN RIGHTS, FREEDOM OF SPEECH, FREEDOM OF PEACEFUL PROTESTS AGAINST APARTHEID POLICIES.

ITS ISRAEL’S DEFENCE FORCES (IDF) WHO ARE FAMOUSLY KNOWN FOR THEIR BRUTAL MURDERS & KILLINGS OF INNOCENT PALESTINIAN CIVILIANS (CHRISTIAN & MOSLEM).

ARE THESE IMAGES FAKE?

http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/article.php?pg=11&ar=739

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By Fadel Abdallah, December 19, 2006 at 11:36 pm Link to this comment
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A powerful and sober piece in the service of truth and justice (part 3)
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For you are crafting your own destruction.

You have been so effective in this great national project because you work from experience. Even the most courageous, principled, and sensible people, as you learned, cannot withstand a concentration camp indefinitely. At some point, as the Holocaust historians have tracked with such pathos, humanity breaks down. Individual heroism may survive as memoirs, but order, humanity, and finally human feeling decays into factional squabbles and man’s inhumanity to man. You learned all too well and bitterly how this cauldron can melt down the very fabric of a society and shatter people. The lesson is burned, literally, into your national memory. And you are bringing those lessons to bear, attempting to purge Zionism’s tragedy by bringing Gaza to ruin.

But if you actually reap the chaos you are crafting for the Palestinians, you will find that no one else is responsible for these five million civilians except you.

So what will you do, Israel, with five million people living under your rule, when you can no longer pretend to the world that you intend to negotiate with them? What will you do with people you detest, and who finally utterly detest you, when visions of coexistence have finally failed? You will be the only sovereign power over them. You will be able neither to digest them nor to vomit them out. And they will stare at you.

And we will stare at you, too.

Because there will be no one left to blame, and no one to take care of them, except you.

* Virginia Tilley is a professor of political science, a US citizen working in South Africa, and author of The One-State Solution: A Breakthrough for Peace in the Israeli-Palestinian Deadlock (University of Michigan Press and Manchester University Press, 2005). She can be reached at .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address).

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By Fadel Abdallah, December 19, 2006 at 11:30 pm Link to this comment
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A poweful and sober piece in the service of truth and justice (part 2)
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But here is news for you, Israel. The Native Americans haven’t given up to this day. Damaged and reduced as they are, they know their history and remember their grievances. They are marginal only because they are one percent of the US population. The Palestinians are five-million strong, equal to you in numbers. And they live within your borders. When their leadership ruins itself, bashing each other like rams fighting to the death, they will finally turn their five million pairs of burning eyes on you, for you will be the only power left over them. And you will be defenseless, because your paper shelter - your Fatah or PA quislings - will be damaged goods, cracked vessels, discredited, gone. And it will then be you and those you have disenfranchised - you and the Palestinians, in one state, with no Oslo or Road Map myth to protect you. And by then, they will truly hate you.

Then perhaps it will dawn on you what you have done, when the disintegration of Palestinian national unity spreads out like a tsunami through the Middle East, meeting up with the tsunami spreading out from Iraq, to lay the region waste and rebound on you.

Watching you create this catastrophe for yourself, we think you are simply suicidal. We could just watch, but your road to ruin promises too much suffering to too many people. Still, to avert your unilateral suicide pact with the Palestinians, to whom can we turn?

We could appeal to Hamas at last to mobilize the rank and file, who alone have the capacity to launch civil disobedience on the mass scale necessary to paralyse Israel’s iron fist, but Hamas has no experience with this method, and now its statesmen are cornered by the guns you gave to Fatah thugs.

We could appeal to the leader of the Fatah thugs, Mr. Abbas, shuffling at the feet of Israeli power, to find some spine. Or to the ubiquitous Mr. Erekat, who never had a political vision in his life, to develop one overnight.

We could appeal to the Fatah thugs to reject Mr. Abbas and Mr. Erekat and the fat cement contracts you gave them to build the Wall that imprisons them, and seek a high road they have never glimpsed.

We could appeal to the microscopic PFLP and DFLP, clutching their old programs too stale to chew and consumed by their acrid, decades-old bitterness and rivalry with Fatah, to lift their heads at long last beyond the old and new grievances.

We could appeal to the US, but no one bothers to do that.

We could appeal to the EU, but no one bothers to do that, either.

We could appeal to the world, but it only stands aghast.

We could appeal to the world media, but it is frozen with its ass in the air.

We can only appeal to you, Israel. To think what you are doing, if not to care.

(to be continued)

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By Fadel Abdallah, December 19, 2006 at 11:19 pm Link to this comment
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A sober piece in the service of truth and justice! (part 1)
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When There’s No One Left to Blame
What Are You Going to Do Now, Israel?
By VIRGINIA TILLEY

Johannesburg, South Africa

What are you going to do now, Israel?

Now that three small boys have been killed by assassins’ bullets, and a Hamas judge dragged from his car and murdered, perhaps you are pleased. The Palestinians are finally succumbing to your plots, you think. The long-planned bottle has finally been sealed, in which the “drunken cockroaches” can only crawl around, shooting each other.

Maybe you are sitting back in your national chair, rubbing your hands together in triumph, watching the Palestinians finally turn on each other, slowly becoming what you always claimed they were. Maybe you are repelled, secure in your sense of superiority.

But have you thought about what you are you going to do, if Palestinian leadership you despise finally disintegrates?

You have brought them to this pass, of course. You worked for decades to achieve exactly this. You bribed, terrorized, expelled, maimed or killed their leadership, banned or killed their visionaries and philosophers, fanned and funded Hamas against Fatah or Fatah against Hamas, trashed their democracy, stole their money, walled them in, put them on a “diet”, derided their claims, and lied about their history to the world and to yourself.

But what are you going to do, Israel, if five million Palestinians are finally living leaderless under your sovereignty? What will you do, when they lose their capacity to negotiate with you? Have you thought that, within the territory you control, they are as many as you? And that now you are destroying their unified voice? Have you thought about what will happen to you if they truly lose that voice?

Maybe you really believe that, if you only feed Fatah money and guns, Fatah will reclaim power from the Hamas and restore the craven puppet Palestinian government of your dreams. Maybe you actually believe that Fatah can revive the wreck of Oslo, step out of the rubble of PA offices, and reclaim the driver’s seat of the Palestinian nation as before. Maybe you are telling yourself that, with just a few more inter-factional scuffles and assassinations and little more starvation, the entire Palestinian people will turn on Hamas and eject it from power in favor of grinning Mr. Abbas.

But why would you believe all this, when the only other test-case, Iraq, is in ruins and the US and UK are desperately trying to flee?

Do you really still live so deeply in your own fantasies that you believe Palestinian resistance is just the product of bad or obdurate leadership? That no collective memory of expulsion and dispossession sustains the spirit of collective resistance that will always and inevitably transcend that leadership? Do you really believe that, if only you can crush or co-opt Hamas and Fatah, five million people will simply disappear forever from your world–trail off across the Jordanian or Egyptian borders into the endless desert, clutching clothes, kids, and tarnished mementos, in some great reprise of 1948?

Do you actually think that, if the international community finally lets you off the hook of negotiating with the people you have dispossessed and discredited, you will somehow walk free at last, your crimes against them forgotten?

We know you are still pursuing the old, fatal, futile fantasy: finally to redeem the Zionist dream by demolishing Palestinian nationalism. To break Palestinian national unity on the rocks of occupation. To reduce the Palestinians to Indians on reservations who decline into despair, alcoholism and emigration. To make them irrelevant to you.

(to be continued)

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By Ron Ranft, December 19, 2006 at 10:18 pm Link to this comment
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I can only imagine that some of these kneejerk reactionaries are so young or so brainwashed, or racist that they have forgotten how Isreal came into being. It was founded by terrorists using terrorist tactics. As one poster claimed that no Isreali has ever strapped bombs to their own body that is true. They didn’t even have that much honor or integrity. Instead they left timed bombs in such places as the Star of David Hotel and killed people. They used the same tactics and weapons that the Palestinians now use.

No country has the “right” to exist. It has no more validity than does the Divine Right of Kings. If that were true then one need dig up an old map of the world from the 40’s or 50’s. How many of those countries are still around? If they had the right to exist why don’t they?

Isreal is stolen land. The Zionists are theives and terrorists and anyone posting here claiming that the Isreali’s have the right to use genocide obviously has never been very far from home. Get your ass out into the world and see what it is like to be oppressed. Heaven knows there are enough people out there who live it on a daily basis.

I want someone here to explain how using helicopters, tanks, rockets, bulldozers, airplanes on a daily basis along with kidnapping, selective assasination, and incarceration without charge indefinitely is justified against a population mostly unarmed. How do you justify the killing of the large number of children? What each side is doing is wasteful and useless. But I sure as hell see more justification on the Palestinians side than I do with the Isreali’s.

People ask where all the money has gone that has been given to the Palestinians? First of all it has been like pissing in the ocean when comparing with need versus what has been given. How about where is all the money and arms we’ve given Isreal and what was it used for? Where is all the money we’ve spent in Iraq? There is graft and corruption everywhere, including this country but that does not excuse anything. Go look at the pictures! Read the description of how these Palestinians are forced to live in a land that has been their’s as long as it has been the home of Jews. Anyone who says that Arabs and Jews have been enemies forever is ignorant of the history of the area. Jews are Arabs but with a different religion. They lived in harmony up until the Crusades. Europeans have always treated Jews worse than any Arabs have ever treated them.

This must end or it will put all of us to the test if it is not resolved. But we can not either turn a blind eye or take sides. They act like children and we must find some way to assist them in finding a way to resolve it so everyone gets what they need, not what they want!

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By Pravda, December 19, 2006 at 9:38 pm Link to this comment
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Happy Chanuka, Ms Rose.
May I become a bit uptight, just a bit.  Please read your history people, there is no Palestine, never was and will never be.  If you wish to use that word use its proper form Philistia given by Rome to poke fun at the Israelites.  Around 70AD after the fall of Jerusalem.
Arafat was an Egyptian, the rest of those people are Jordanians, Lebanese, Syrians, and just about any other Arab nationality.
Why they don’t leave this “terrible place”, two reasons:
1- Like I said before this is the only place where they are treated like people. 
2- The other Arab nations don’t want them back.
Don’t want to believe me, read Hemingway and you will see, not even the dogs lived in that place call Canaan that ‘s how bad it was until the Children of Israel arrive again and started to turn the desert into a garden again.
Allow me to give you one more bit; in 1972 at the outbreak of the Yom Kippur instead of acting drastically they choose to be as careful of life as always, but they needed help, Israel, they let us take pics of one their facilities.
They could have saved themselves at any cost but their believes demanded other course of action so they showed us nuclear devices been fitted to F-4 jets.  The targets, the capital cities of a number of Arab nations.  That was a plead for help, the message was simple; we do not want to do this but we will if we have too, no more Treblinkas.
We provided every piece of material they needed and they put the nuclear devices away.  That is why any mouth piece of CAIR makes me laugh.  It is ironic to hear the same madness spoken by the Arab street mouthed by folks in this country but the new Zoan is at hand, behold the time is here.

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By Lefty, December 19, 2006 at 9:08 pm Link to this comment
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Bill W. Vogt,

You are the epitome of an ignorant bigot.  Thanks for publicly volunteering that fact.  If I were you, I’d be more concerned about myself than the Jews.

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By Bruce M, December 19, 2006 at 8:59 pm Link to this comment
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David Ben Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): “If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?” Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.

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By TAO Walker, December 19, 2006 at 8:58 pm Link to this comment
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The Israeli government is a kind of ‘golem’ built by the Zionists, and used by them to further certain aims that, if they were more widely known, would not be supported even by most Israelis, nevermind Americans.  In fact, the best-informed and most consistent opposition to such criminally cold-blooded policies and actions as Chris Hedges writes about here comes from citizens of Israel who are themselves getting the same sorts of pressure and intimidation from the extreme right-wing as is seen more and more in the U.S., where the corporate national security state performs essentially the same role.
Imperialists here seek global hegemony.  They will be glad to have their Zionist counterparts act as “local” hegemons in the Middle East, with nuclear terror the principal “ace-in-the-hole” for both sets of interlocked ‘directorates’.......a threat they mean to actually ‘deploy’ soon as a “demonstration” of their determination to be THE dominant presences in their respective areas of intended-to-be total control. 
Another thing these groups have in-common is their cynical use of religion to cloak the completely materialistic foundations of their joint project.  And while the Zionists use “The Holocaust” to squelch even such half-hearted criticisms as Carter’s, the imperialists trot-out “the good war” and “the greatest generation” to smother their critics in an avalanche of feel-good symbols and bald-faced propaganda.
Oligarchic plutocrats in both countries have their subject/citizens firmly by ‘the short hairs,’ and there will be no painless way for either populace to get loose from what they’ve yet to realize (though their tormentors know very well) is a death-grip. In fact, the bottom-line position in both camps is:  ‘If we don’t get everything we want (which, finally, is everything there is), nobody’s going to get anything.’
Hidden behind the fraying curtain of their utter ruthlessness, however, is the “classified” fact of their own terror-stricken condition.  The ‘all-or-nothing’ “surge” now about to be implemented in Iraq is a version ‘in-miniature’ of the oligarchs’ general plan for last-ditch desperate-measures as their grandiose scheme to privatize the whole Earth comes to the bad end it was destined to reach from the moment they initiated it.  And as the project collapses everywhere else, its ‘perpetraitors’ will increasingly turn their rage and disappointment back upon their own captive peoples, as they are doing more and more blatantly even now. 
Israelis and Americans, having been artificially joined-at-the-hip by entrenched interests wishing to cripple both peoples, look to be sharing pretty much the same fate, as their owners’ pipe-dreams go up-in-smoke and/or down-in-flames.  Meantime, back in ‘the real world’ you can see others doing what they can to insulate themselves from what is certain to be considerable “collateral” damage and toxic fallout of various kinds when at last “the feces impacts the ventilation system.”

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By Bob, December 19, 2006 at 8:55 pm Link to this comment
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The Beginning of the Conflict between the Jews and the Arabs…..and Why!
Abraham became the “Father” of the Jewish Nation by the will of God. He was old and his wife Sarai was barren at the time. In error, Abraham decided to help out God and start a family with Sarai’s hand maid Hagar, an egyptian. She conceived a son. There was now tension in the house of Abraham and Hagar fled away. But, an Angel found her and told her to return to Sarai and submit “under her hands”. The Angel told Hagar something else. That something else is the root of the problem in the Middle East today. The Angel told Hagar that her son would be called Ishmael, .....that he would be a “wild man; his hand will be against every man , and every man’s hand against him”...Ishmael was not the choice of God to continue the Jewish race. Instead he became the “father of the Arab nations.
Finally, Abraham and Sarai had a son, he was named Isaac. It was Isaac that was God’s choice to continue the Jewish nation.  The prophecy of the Angel given to Hagar has proved correct. There exists an everlasting hatred between the two “families” and it will never end. This family feud will bring about the close of time.
We can come up with all kinds of reasons why there is war in the middle east, but this is the real reason. It is within Ishmeal’s nature to never want to live in peace, not only with Israel, but with his brethern…..and us as well.

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By Fadel Abdallah, December 19, 2006 at 8:53 pm Link to this comment
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Beware critics of Israel! Miss Rose Comfort,comment # 42882, a terrorist in no-disguise, is warning you with the Bomb if you don’t shut up! No further comment is needed, for she is the typical f…-bloody Zionist terrorist, and the worst of them either live in the United States or came from America as terrorist occupiers of Palestine.

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By Franck Lazare, December 19, 2006 at 7:47 pm Link to this comment
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How is the current infighting between Hamas and Fatha, Israeli responsability?  Blame the Jews, blame the Jews.  This is not journalism, this is taking sides. There’s no doubts Israel is committing war crimes, and there’s no doubts Hamas, Hezbollah, and Fatah are committing war crimes too. That’s the sad truth here, no one at this point has any moral superiority. Name calling Israel, without mention of the same sins in Arab states or terrorists groups is just, in the end, antisemitic.  For instance, one blogger claims that Israelis are racists (?), maybe so I have no ideas. On the other end most Arab states are openly antisemitic, some are very racist vs. their african or asian populations, some do not allow Jews to live in their mist. When’s the last time you read an article about Arab racism and virulent antisemitism?

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By tony p, December 19, 2006 at 7:25 pm Link to this comment
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I didn’t read the piece, but I wish to comment nonetheless:

See the internal disputes among Palestinians today, Fatah v. Hamas. Blame that on the US and Israel too if you wish.

Israel has not been an angel since 1948, but the truth is it faces enemies who wish the Jewish state destroyed. War is shitty, but Israel has a right to defend herself against those who wish to see her destruction.

And also consider that over 500,000 jews were expelled from arab lands this century. Do they have a right of return? Consider that the greatest massacre of Palestinians was done by Jordan, not Israel.

Consider yourselves victims of left-wing propaganda.

Ok, maybe I’ll go back and read the article, but all my comment will not be affected, as none of the issues I point out are likely to be addressed by what is likely a one-sided article.

The left has lost because it has no morals. It is a relativistic movement that cries for Saddam, arguing his trial was a sham and unfair, while the American prison industrial complex is ignored by these groups. Don’t cry for Saddam and Hamas and the Ayatollahs.

Blah blah blah

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By Miss Rose Comfort, December 19, 2006 at 7:17 pm Link to this comment
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The “Palestinians” are instilled with Jew hatred from the time they are born, like so many in the Arab world.  Where are the billions of dollars sent to them to help build the infrastructure and economy?  What do the kids learn in school besides brutality? Where are the other Arab countries coming to their aide?  Why can’t they face the corruption in their own ranks instead of blaming a handful of Jews in comparison to their numbers, who successfully made the desert bloom? Trying to revise history by bulldozing archeological antiquities or brainwashing children (or..“progressives”) doesn’t change the truth that the Jews have been in the land of Israel for…forever.  Isn’t the whole thing about envy turned to jealousy turned to hatred turned to rage?

You know, the Jews have had just about enough of this crap…after over 6,000 years they’re not going quietly this time. There is nowhere left to go. There is nothing left to lose. You and others like you had better back off or they will feel they have no alternative other than to Drop the Bomb and take you all along on the ride to oblivion.  Happy Chanuka.

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By EllenJ, December 19, 2006 at 6:59 pm Link to this comment
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I appreciate this forthright journalism about the horrific situation of the Palestinians. A few years ago, before the invasion of Iraq, an Israeli acquaintace (at that time a friend) told me how it would come to pass that the Palestinians would be forced out of their territory, and so, step by step, has it happened. How can it be that we are willing to countenance such tragedy inflicted under the aegis of the U.S .and with our backing? What is this awful paralysis of the will and the heart that has set in, and where will it take us? But it would be even worse but for some voices such as yours and Carters that are being raised to good purpose. Let us keep sounding the alarms while we can, if for no other reason than that the awful truth needs telling.

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By Mike, December 19, 2006 at 5:58 pm Link to this comment
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This is a win/win situation!! The palestinians keep saying how they love death more than we love life….they teach their 5yr olds that becoming a shahid will guarantee sex with 72 doe-eyed virgins!! If it is such an honor for their children to die in explosions, let’s help them out!!

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By No name, December 19, 2006 at 5:48 pm Link to this comment
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Why is everybody afraid of calling the zioinist israelis by their proper name:  NAZIS?  Just because in the west you are terrified of calling Jews Nazis, the Palestinians must suffer forever under their NAZI yoke?  Hell, NO!  These are NAZIS and should be brought to war crimes tribunals!

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By Pravda, December 19, 2006 at 4:56 pm Link to this comment
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If you use the pics from Jenin the story will gain substance, it doesn’t matter that the occurrences are a few years apart.  The important thing is to pass the message on, to take the message to the corners of the world.  I find it disturbing that the IDF will not fire on good targets if they have identified civilians with the target, specially since the US Army is willing to deal with the collateral damage later.  I find it disturbing the howling made by the UN when the crossings are shut off and the Philistines can not make it to work in Israel, since in that part of the world only Israel provides good jobs, medical and citizenship, that gives you the right to vote and elect your own ministers, of your own people/Duahhh.  Yeah I find it disturbing that in Europe they love to discuss politics with Americans, since Americans seems to have such a shallow understanding of the situations surrounding many critical issues.  But what I found to be very disturbing is that many Europeans and others view Americans as gullible and naive.  I wonder why?  Oh yea if you all ever wonder why a explosive belt is put together the way it is, is due to the Claymore effect.  To answer your question, check command detonated mines, do Google search.

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By Antoinette, December 19, 2006 at 4:35 pm Link to this comment
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Ethnic cleansing and genocide of natural inhabitents off, of thier land is OUR National Trait.
So why are we surprised that the United States blanket veto of all UN sanctions against Israel,thereby supporting a slow anhilation of the Palistinians, has only paved the way to a policy that we ourselves followed, in establshing our own nation?

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By Darrell, December 19, 2006 at 4:21 pm Link to this comment
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Why would you call the politics of Hamas repugnant?  Do you know anything about their politics, except that the media reports they do not recognize the state of Israel’s right to exist.  Then you go on to describe a state so gruesome that the South African aparteid regime looks like a benign government next to it.  Did that government have the “right” to continued existance?  I thought most people said no, that’s why it doesn’t exist any more.

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By Ken, December 19, 2006 at 4:20 pm Link to this comment
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TruthDig… if I rely on this site for “truth”.. just shoot me now…..

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By Frank Goodman, Sr., December 19, 2006 at 4:11 pm Link to this comment
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See Virginia Tilley’s words. This is the historic consequences of the Nakba. History will sort it out and the Palestinians will remember their Nakba as the Jews remember their Holocaust. South Africans remember their Apartheid, American blacks remember slavery, American Natives remember their Trails of Tears. Democracy is far away and failing.

http://www.counterpunch.com/tilley12152006.html

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By james j, December 19, 2006 at 4:08 pm Link to this comment
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Hillary clinton loves the israli lobby N.Y. is big jewish block and she has to suport this war are not get elected she is not for peace nor will she ever solve any crisis involveing isreal

Democrats, though, still get most of the pro-Israel dollars. Among AIPAC’s staunchest backers in Congress are such well-known liberals as Nancy Pelosi, Henry Waxman, Jerrold Nadler, and Howard Berman. Steny Hoyer, the House minority whip, is so reliable that “he might as well be on the AIPAC payroll,” a congressional staffer told me.

Hillary Clinton is equally dependable. Still attempting to live down her 1998 declaration of support for a Palestinian state and the kiss she gave Suha Arafat in 1999, Clinton has sought to compensate by voting AIPAC’s way on almost every issue. In the current election cycle, she has received $80,000 in pro-Israel money—more than any other congressional candidate.

Partly as a result of such giving, says one Hill staffer, “We can count on well over half the House—250 to 300 members—to do reflexively whatever AIPAC wants.”

these are not my words im quoteing

The Storm over the Israel Lobby
By Michael Massing
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/19062

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By Harold S Kramer, December 19, 2006 at 4:01 pm Link to this comment
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Since Israel was declared a sovereign nation, their right to exist has been challenged by Arabs living within their borders, and in neighboring states. Consider this - not one single Israeli strapped explosives to their body, and indiscriminately killed Arab women and children. Over the past 50 years many good faith efforts made by Israel have been rejected or thwarted by the “Palestinians.” (The fable of the Scorpion and the Frog comes to mind).  It’s time for Israel to annex all the disputed territory,  to include land gained by military conquest, and declare new borders. Arabs within the new borders who are not law abiding, would be arrested and then deported.  Enough already.

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By No Name, December 19, 2006 at 3:51 pm Link to this comment
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“There are other, far more loaded words for what is happening to the Palestinians.  One shudders to repeat them”

The words are “genocide” and “nazi zionists.”  Go ahead, say them.

Thank you Chris Hedges for telling the truth.

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By Bill W Vogt, December 19, 2006 at 3:27 pm Link to this comment
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Unfortunately, as long as our government and media are controlled by the Jewish lobbies (AIPAC, JINSA, etc.) and Zionist-controlled think tanks and owners (Heritage Foundation, PNAC, etc.), it will remain ‘verboten’ to utter any criticism of Israel in the press or in congress. The only hope is that Israel wiil become so bold and arrogant that it will facilitate it’s own demise.

I have always liked the Jewish people and their religion, but after studying the history, it becomes clear that there is a reason that they have been periodically chosen for persecution in the past: they inevitably seek to control the economies of the regions they live, to the detriment of all others. They are a brilliant, resourceful, and hard-working people who have chosen to use these qualities to advance their own interests rather than contribute to the world’s. This seems never to have changed throughout their history.

I am afraid that eventually, the Zionists and the wealthy Jews of America will (once again) cause the suffering of many good Jewish people because of their need to control others. We can only hope that it wont be another ‘holocaust’ which will be shoved in our faces whenever criticism is leveled.

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By Don Banard, December 19, 2006 at 2:42 pm Link to this comment
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War is ugly and Israel is at war.

Bloodshed is horrific and no one can deny that.

Perspective is the only thing that distinguishes one interpretation of a situation from another.

Go back to the begining of the creation of the state of Israel and the Faisal Weitzman agreement, and study the history of Imam of Jersusalem and his close relationship with the Nazis including his meeting with Hitler and Hitlers top men.

Most do not know of this but it is there on histories pages.  We decide what level of understanding is appropriate for us to judge the situation.  In consideration, I ask, is ignorance ever suitable to enable our judgement?

If enough pizza parlors are blown up, I figure a country can become jumpy.  If I continually point a gun at you and play Russian Roulette you will become jumpy and perhaps make a grievous error not knowing whether I had bullets in the gun I pointed at you, or not.

I may react and blow you away only to find out Your gun was a Toy gun.  At the risk of being wrong, perhaps I could not take any chances.

Who is to blame, me for shooting out of reaction, or you for promting that reaction by pointing the gun at me to begin with?

Why have the Palestinians in Arab lands remained unassimilated and ostracized in those Arab lands, while in Israel the Muslims and Arabs have led comfortable lives?

Learn that Israel has just as much right to exist as do their neighbors and all came into being as they are within the same time frame as when the modern day Israel was created!

Israel has been attacked even before it came into what is now known as modern day Israel.  Knw your history and this statement does in fact make sense even though it does not appeat to.

While modern Arab nations like Iraq and Syria came to be, so the borders of Israel were also on the table.  Despite the tiny piece of land it now occupies, many plotted to prevent it from ever realizing it own creation despite it’s ancient right of claim.

Ethnic cleansing from Israel whisle it’s Arab Muslim population enjoys a higher standard of living that in 99% of the Arab Middle East?

The Christian population is shrinking in every Middle Eastern country and you should know why!

Israel is the only Mid East nation in which the Christian population increasing!

Do you believe that Saudi Arabia practices aparthied?  A nation without a church and Israel you find fault with?

Look at how Islamic nations have treated their resident Christians and Hebrews, (if there are any left) and then compare!  Look at standard of living and political power and then compare!

Maybe then you can view the tragedy of what is happening in it’s proper light! 

Things are not always what they appear!
Read and research or you do justice an injustice!

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By Jihad Jew, December 19, 2006 at 1:30 pm Link to this comment
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Over a year ago Jews and the IDF pulled-out from Gaza. It was an invitation by Ariel Sharon to the PA to engage in nation-building in lieu of terrorism. To afford the Palestinians a good-start, Liberal American Jews paid for the green houses being left-behind. This infrastructure, developed over the years had both fed the Isrealis and provided income through selling surplus fruits & veggies. So, what do the Palestinians do, they loot pillage, and destroy the gift that could feed them, provide jobs, and a source of export-income.

Upon the Jews departure from Gaza, the very next day, the Palestinians begin launching rockets into Israel. These rockets have been a regular occourance for over a year now. Yes, even weeks into the so-called cease-fire, there have been 30+ rockets launched, including today.

As to the premis of the “poor suffering Palestinians…”, they get what they deserve! They seek Israels destruction as proclaimed by HAMAS and their election. Per the Left, when Israel strikes back its a ” tragedy ” and ” genocide”. There is hand-wringing and bemoaning the fate of the put-upon Palestinians.

Get over it! The Palestinians, whether they be HAMAS, PLO, PA, Force 17, PLFP, DPLP, Islamic Jihad, or the Martyr’s Brigade live to kill Jews and eliminate the ” Zionist entity”. The real calmity is that the world lets this excercise of mass-martydom continue unabatted.

When the Palestinians want peace more than they want to kill Jews, the killing will end. When the Palestinians want a future for their children more than praising the virtues of martyrdom, they will have a future worth living. What the so-called Progressive community REALLY seeks justice, they will stop buying into the big-lie as to Isreal commiting genocide and compel the Palestinians to finally give-up on their dream of eliminating Israel and focus on their real responabilty of nation-building while providing their people the future they deserve within a prosporous two-state solution.

The Palestinians never had leadership that prepared them for their future. They were only led to kill Jews and destroy Israel. More so, the surrounding Arab states have used the Paestinians as cannon-fodder in their own quest to deflect attention to their failed-states and despotic-rule. When the Arabs accept Isreal, they will cease leading the martry-fixated Palestinians to their ruin!

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By Lil Mamzer, December 19, 2006 at 1:27 pm Link to this comment
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What a crock this is, Hedges. Israel removed every Jew from Gaza long ago. So what do the local Arabs do? Elect Hamas (with all that their genocidal raison d’etre implies) and proceed with the bombardment of Israeli civilian towns and villages, and trash the high-tech greenhouses left behind. I have no more sympathy for these Arabs. They are responsible for their current situation, and the Israelis have a moral obligation to defend themselves.

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By Bob, December 19, 2006 at 1:23 pm Link to this comment
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Though the situation in Gaza is regrettable, at best and bordering on a humanitarian crisis, Israel is not the ‘bad’ guy.  Hamas has chosen it’s own path, Palestinians (used very loosely)be damned. One condition has been placed on Hamas, recognize the right of Israel to exist, that’s all, no more.  The basis of a solution has been set. Hamas choses to ignore it at their own peril. And I am one to smile at their self-destruction in Palestine (used very loosely)and the rest of the Arab world.

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By Anthony Rose, December 19, 2006 at 1:16 pm Link to this comment
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Everything Israel has done, rightly or wrongly, has been in RESPONSE to attacks. Perhaps you are looking past the real problem.

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By Sharon Ash, December 19, 2006 at 1:06 pm Link to this comment
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Senator Fulbright from Arkansas identified the problem many years ago when he declared that Washington, D.C. was Israeli occupied.

More Americans need to become informed about this hold Israel has on our government and how much money they receive each and every day from the U.S.

More Americans need to understand that we are so hated in the Middle East, not because of our country’s strong ties to Christianity, as some would have us believe, but because of our strong ties to Israel and how we uphold their bad behavior.

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By Rodney Matthews, December 19, 2006 at 12:46 pm Link to this comment
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Israel only does what the United States allows it to do. As a nation we hate to admit it, but the powerful jewish lobby in America,the amount of money given to both Republican and Democrat parties and canidates running,along with the dual citizenship that allows hundreds of thousands of citizens of Israel,living in Israel, to vote and donate in American elections fuels our unfair and unreasonable bias towards Israel. Polititions in this country fear of being labeled anti-semetic or losing campaign contributions or even worse a few votes, lose there moral authority in order to allow a system of apartied,ethnic cleasning,assasinations,unlawful detentions and out right racism the same way we did for years in South Africa. The only difference between Israel and South Africa is the Jewish strong hold over American politicans that allows this policy to continue. Take for example Joe Liberman, He supports the war in Iraq because he believes it helps Israel. Until the U.S becomes a even broker for peace in the middle east,we will never win the war on terror.

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By Bert, December 19, 2006 at 11:53 am Link to this comment
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So, build the fence that’s needed building for years, or build the rest of it, and send the UN to patrol it, both sides of it. People that can’t see each other have a harder time being violent to one another, ‘absence makes the heart grow fonder’ etc…

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By Eric, December 19, 2006 at 11:21 am Link to this comment
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It’s high time for this article, for Jimmy Carter’s book and for Americans, especially Jews in America (myself included) to acknowledge this travesty that we benignly call the Israeli-Palestinian crisis.

It is encumbent upon American Jews to finally take their heads out of the sand and start to lead this debate where it MUST go - to a discussion of REAL peace for all the people of Israel and Palestine.  American Jews MUST step up and put pressure on the Israeli and American Governments to stop this tragedy.  Israel must be made to know that this only leads to a backlash upon them in the future in which the State of Israel will be destroyed - if by nothing else than superior numbers. 

Equally though, the Arab states, principally Iran and Saudi Arabia, must be forced to stop their involvement.  History, both recent and old, condemn the Arab leaders for their actions of keeping generations of their own people illiterate and dependent upon them. 

For it’s part, Israel would do well to welcome the Palestinians and the Arabs who are its citizens, as equals - in this, South Africa is a viable model. 

First though, Israel must acknowledge the evil that it does upon Palestinians and by action prove they mean to correct the past and lead all in the region to peace and mutual prosperity.

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By Dave, December 19, 2006 at 11:16 am Link to this comment
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Maybe if they wouldn’t have been firing missles into Israel and maybe if they would have taken the Clinton peace deal 7-8 years ago, we wouldn’t have this discussion.

Fatah and Hamas are at least as evil and corrupt as the Israelis, and probably more so by a factor of 10.

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By Amazed, December 19, 2006 at 11:15 am Link to this comment
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I’m amazed that we are finally seeing this openly talked about, even if only in the “liberal” blogosphere. It used to be that not even in such a venue as this could anyone bluntly bear witness to the despicable actions of Israel, certainly not in a feature article. Perhaps things are really changing. Perhaps Israel’s stranglehold on our foreign policy will finally be broken, maybe even in our lifetimes. I mean, are the Israelmaniacs going to claim now that Jimmy Carter, Tom Hayden, and Chris Hedges are all anti-semites yearning for a new holocaust?

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By donald sachs, December 19, 2006 at 10:22 am Link to this comment
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Israel is doing nothing but defending itself against these Muslim barbarian so called’Palastinians’.Any time Israel gives up ‘land for peace’,these Muslims use that land to further attack Israel.The Israelis have no choice but to try to defend themselves by building walls to keep these people who are so evil that they strap bombs to themselves and their children out!The Jews have a tiny postage stamp sized country that they have turned into a nice place to live.They are surrounded by vast ‘Muslim countries’ that havent done a damn thing to help the Palastinians-these countries continue to use the Palastinians as pawns to undermine Israel and turn public opinion against it.Here is an idea.Why not get the BILLIONS OF DOLLARS out of Yasser Arafat’s widow’s Swiss bank accounts and give it to it’s rightful owners..THE PALASTINIAN PEOPLE WHO IT WAS STOLEN FROM! For the record,I am a Christian-not a Jew.

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By rabblerowzer, December 19, 2006 at 10:16 am Link to this comment
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Neanderthal logic

From their perspective, conservatives are quite correct in debunking the theory of evolution. Evolution isn’t a universal circumstance, some evolve, some don’t and clearly, they didn’t.

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By Esprit, December 19, 2006 at 9:46 am Link to this comment
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It is so important and refreshing that someone say it like it is in the Middle East saga between isreal and Palestine.  Isreal has committed more atrosities against the Palestine people than any of their bombers could ever hope to achieve.  It is so sad that a people who know first hand how tragic brutality can be against a single group.  It is most distrubing that Isreal uses its past to trample upon another group of people and claim they have the right to defend themselves.  with America as its ally, Isreal has nuclear weapons aimed at all of the Middle East, while at the same time, being insulted by Iran and other Muslim nations wanting to have weapons to defend itself. Americans will never wake up in time to the slaughter and its resulting madness caused by years of oppression and ignorance.  Isreal has learned nothing from the Germans and equally, they have learned everything.  The final solution is alive and well in Palestine.  This time, Isreal is leading the charge with American money, weapons, and sanctions.  O Shame, O Shame!

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By anonymous, December 19, 2006 at 9:45 am Link to this comment
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This sounds more like the Nazis treatment of the Jews in the ghettos of Poland.

Jews got bullied, so when they get the opportunity, they bully someone else.

When they say “Never again!” they only mean “Never again, TO US!”

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By stanley, December 19, 2006 at 9:41 am Link to this comment
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As an American Jew who has been distressed at many of the actions of Israelis, I believe Hedges’ criticism is offered without any context.  Israeli had no claims not interest in the West Bank or Gaza until AFTER Israel was attacked in 1967.  I agree that the Israeli settlements were a terrible idea, as was the attack by Israel of Lebanon in 1982, but I also know -as I am sure Hedges knows - that those supporting the Palestinians do not win friends and influence people by blowing up buses and killing many hundreds of inoocent Israelis. And evne Carter acknowledges that the Arab citizens of Israel are not badly treated.  So. a little context please.

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By Jim Nasco, December 19, 2006 at 9:35 am Link to this comment
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What a “butt-head” some people will never get it. They are so blind sighted with dislike of Israel they can’t see thev truth for the fiction’

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By Almaz, December 19, 2006 at 9:01 am Link to this comment
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Please the Palestinians bring this garbage unto themselves. Why is Israel the blame? What about the responsibilities of the Pal. leadership they are so busy killing each other in the name of some honour. Please I grew up over there. They like death more than life and their leaders don’t give a hoot about them. They collect their monies and go live the highlife away from the strip or the bank.

Sorry Israel is trying to protect itself from idiots.

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By Byron Harris, December 19, 2006 at 8:59 am Link to this comment
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Come on guys. You are all anti-semetic. Just be honest.

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By Brian, December 19, 2006 at 8:52 am Link to this comment
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Perhaps it should be a requirement to educate yourselves on the Middle East before making comments.  Israel has made every effort for peace, but continues to be attacked for no reason.  Heaven forbid Israel defends itself, right?  Maybe you should research the Six Day War, or maybe you should ask one of the 1 million Palestinians living in Israel in peace with Israel’s protection and fortune if what is going on is genocide or self defense.  I feel sorry for you if you are blind to reality.

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By Louise, December 19, 2006 at 7:21 am Link to this comment
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Regarding that picture and cutline. This story was reported on my local news channel (several days after I saw it on the web) And then immediately neutralized by some comments about Israel’s justification.

Nothing new there. What impacted me was the picture. They had taken out the red (blood) and replaced it with a watery gray, making it look like a mixture of water and oil. And never mentioned the words, “blood,” “in their sleep,” or “eight children.”

Thanks to YOU. All the YOU’S out there, the truth about the Israeli - Palestinian “conflict” will become common knowledge. And it is not a “conflict,” it is murder. Random, indifferent murder. No goal, no grand cause, not even a deeply religious issue, just plain murder. They do it because they can. We support it because for some strange reason our government and main stream media are afraid not to.

See ... http://www.commondreams.org/views06/1217-21.htm ... Ex-Soldiers Break `Silence’ on Israeli Excesses

So, like everything else that’s coming to a boiling point, we need to let those new guys in Congress know, we don’t like this either. Wont be easy. I’m sure they have already got their marching orders from the folks up there who mindlessly support everything Israel does. (Maybe they are as dumb and uninformed as the folks who think God will wrap them up in rapture and ship them to heaven when they march into Israel, when more likely the Israelis will wrap them up in bandages and ship them to the local hospital ... or worse. But that’s another issue.)

Thousands still don’t have a clue, so make that your mission for a while. Gather pictures and videos and statistics and start emailing them to every one you know, just a little bit at a time. If your friends and family, like mine are people who care, they will look and listen ... ask questions, want to learn more ... and even thank you with, “I had no idea!”

Should you fear being attacked as anti-Semitic, remind them. It is the Israeli government that sets and drives this policy. And since Arabs in general and Palestinians in particular are Semites, it is the Israeli government itself, and it’s supporters who stand as anti-Semite.

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By D Hosler, December 19, 2006 at 6:59 am Link to this comment
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What a bunch of crap !  Media has you people blinded.  LOOK INTO REAL FACTS….LIKE HISTORY.

No one even mentions the daily bombs being lobbed into Israel from Gaza.  No one mentions the build up apparent under everyones’ noses of Hezbollahs weapons in Lebanon to be used against Israel.

Israel is constantly being pushed to give up their land, which was WON fair and square during war that was launched against them over and over. Yet, Palestinians NEVER hold up their end of any agreement. 

Israel should have stomped them out long ago, so they could finally live in peace.

Arabs have been pushing Jewish genocide since BEFORE WWII, and they will never stop. 

You people all need lessons in middle eastern history, and to quit paying so much attention to mainstream media.

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By JK, December 19, 2006 at 5:49 am Link to this comment
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What a refreshing way to start my day…reading a blog written by a dimwit that thinks the history of the Middle East starts in 1967 and refuses to acknowledge that the British and then the Arabs have a greater hand in everything that’s led to the way things are now.  How many times have the Arabs been offered a state?  What have they offered Israel in return?  Only violence and NEVER a counteroffer (unless of course it’s violence).  Meanwhile of course, not one wants to talk about how their Arab brothers stick them in refugee camps and wont let them have jobs or integrate into society. 

I am not condoning 100% what Israel does in order to protect its citizens.  It sucks, and innocents pay the price by having to live near Muslim terrorists.  But anyone who thinks Muslims strapping bombs to their bodies and blowing up weddings and commuter buses because they despair and are poor need to get themselves an education.  Their indoctrination in school and at home in the jihad mindset (which ALSO has been around since before 1967 amazingly enough) is child abuse and hatred at the highest level.  Show me anything remotely similar in terms of what parents teach their kids in Israel and I’ll eat my hat.

It’s easy to blame the US and Israel for everything bad that happens in the Middle East.  Everyone loves the underdog.  So they shoot up supermarkets.  So they blow up buses.  So they kill each other in the streets.  It’s no their fault.  It’s the US and Israel.  Why should they be expected to comport themselves like human beings with some common decency?  Those who ‘understand’ these acts think very little of the Arabs, probably because deep in their hearts they expect no better of them.  Haters!

I leave you all to wallow in your filth and backslapping eachother because you believe Carter.  I will pray that at some point the Arabs will realize nothing will change without their altering their unrealistic demands.  It’s over, they lost and to all you holy green line freaks, they are armistice lines, meaning that’s where the fighting stopped, not where any sort of border was agreed upon.  Those are subject to negotiations as per UNSCR 242, the ONLY binding resolution, and remember that the framers said ‘territories’, not ‘THE territories’ meaning it was never expected that Israel would hand it all back.  Do some homework for crying out loud.  I pray for the day we will all pick up a newspaper and have something else to read about than everyone’s collective ignorance.

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