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| Dennis Kucinich’s Showdown With the Democratic LeadershipPosted on Dec 6, 2006
Editor’s note: In an interview with Truthdig research editor Joshua Scheer*, Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio) criticizes the leadership of his own party for announcing Tuesday that it would support a massive increase in spending for the Iraq war. Truthdig: What was the upshot of [Tuesday’s] Democratic caucus meeting? Kucinich: At this point the Democratic leadership—the speaker and the majority leader and Rahm Emanuel—are all recommending that the Democrats support the appropriation that is going to be brought forward in the spring, for the purposes of [continuing to fund] the war in Iraq. Truthdig: Why do you think that is? Kucinich: The leadership feels that they can bring about greater transparency [in spending], that they can bring special committees to look at what’s gone wrong with the war, and that there’s going to be improved oversight. Truthdig: Were there dissenting opinions ... ? Do you think this will pass? Kucinich: I think this is going to be a serious test of the Democratic Party. We were put in power because people expected a new direction in Iraq. It goes without saying that they expect greater transparency and oversight, but they also expect us to do something to bring the troops home. Now, if Congress goes ahead under Democratic leadership and votes to approve what some are now estimating as an additional $160 billion for the war in Iraq, bringing the total for the fiscal year to $230 billion, the Democratic Congress will have bought George Bush’s war. Now, who would buy a used war from this administration? Truthdig: Weren’t the Democrats elected because of the war in Iraq? Kucinich: The Democrats came to power because of a strong desire on the part of the voters to get out of Iraq. That’s why people voted Democratic. So now, with the Democratic leadership taking a position saying they’re going to approve the supplemental budget in the spring, this could be seen by many as a breach of faith. Truthdig: What can people do? Kucinich: People first of all need to know about this. People need to know that there is an attempt by our leadership to support the supplemental, and what the consequences are.... The most difficult part of the challenge is to get members of Congress to understand that they themselves voted for a bill which went into effect on Oct. 1 that appropriated $70 billion, which could be used to bring the troops home. Unfortunately, our leadership is saying they’re supporting the supplemental as a way of supporting the troops. So if we continue to ignore the money that’s there right now to bring the troops home, we’re losing an opportunity to bring the troops home now. People are now saying that they oppose the war, but they’re continuing to fund it in the name of supporting the troops. They say they’re not going to abandon the troops in the field. We’re professing a strange love for these troops by keeping them there, because the money’s there to bring them home. So this is going to shape up as a major discussion across this country. People are going to want to know why Democrats would not bring the troops home now, when the money is there now. Truthdig: For me this is really disheartening, because I feel like I have been lied to, and the American people have been lied to, because the [Democratic] Party was so against extra funds for the war. It’s almost like the party has done a bait-and-switch. Kucinich: I think there’s going to be a concern around the country that this does represent a bait-and-switch. I’m hopeful that this position will be reconsidered and that the Democrats will not vote to keep the war going. But at this point, if the Democrats go forward and support a supplemental which by some accounts is now rising to $160 billion, they’ll be providing enough money to keep the war going through the end of George Bush’s term. Now, this is a serious moment. I believe the public is largely unaware that this is happening, and I think a lot of people are going to be very surprised to learn that less than one month since this great realignment, that Democrats leaders, who came to power because of widespread opposition to the war in Iraq, are now saying that they will vote to continue funding the war. Truthdig: Is there any hope to end the war now, and not go for this extra $160 billion in supplemental funds? Was there anything that happened in the room that gave you hope? Kucinich: There’s a type of thinking which equates staying in Iraq as demonstrating strength. There’s a type of thinking which equates support for the supplemental with supporting the troops. This type of thinking is inherently flawed. It is circular in its nature. It will keep us in war. It will damn our troops to the horror of getting shot at from all sides. This is the time for Democrats to be uniting to exit from Iraq. And the exit door is already well lit with a sign that says $70 billion. If we support the troops, why in the world would we not use the money to bring them home, instead of spending more money to keep them in? Why would we, when we have money to bring them home right now, appropriate another $160 billion which would keep them there, possibly through the end of George Bush’s term? The Iraq Study Group recognized the perilous nature of this war, and there is no indication that the administration is going to bring the troops home. Every statement that the president has made has been very clear with respect to his intent to continue the U.S. presence. He has basically said, “No timetables,” and he hasn’t set any call for troop reductions. Now, we have men and women who are dying there, and for what? That’s why it’s more than disappointing that the Democratic Party is not standing up. Truthdig: So, again, what can people do? Kucinich: I think it’s important for people to contact their member of Congress, and to let the member of Congress know how they feel. The people are also going to have to work their e-mail lists to pass the word, because not a lot of people know about this. It’s going to be important for people to organize. It’s going to take a mass movement to change this situation. It’s going to take a mass movement to really create such an uproar that approval of the supplemental will be stopped. Truthdig: Thank you. *Truthdig interviewer Joshua Scheer worked as an entry-level staffer on Kucinich’s state Senate campaign and was later a summer associate in his congressional office. In this weekly interview series, Rep. Kucinich gives his take on the goings-on in Congress in the wake of the Democrats’ victory. 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By Don Watkins, December 17, 2006 at 6:15 pm #
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Dennis is just about the only politician in whom I put any trust. He understands what is going on. We’ve lost our country and Dennis is the only one left who gives a damn about that and the plight of the common man/woman. I wish we could have 534 more of Dennis, but we can’t. Alas, the United States of America is lost. The dream is foundered and the world is poorer for it. It was a noble experiment.
Report thisBy John Doraemi, December 17, 2006 at 11:00 am #
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Well Dennis,
Some of us remember your nauseating performance shilling for John Kerry at the convention. Are we headed for an exact repeat in 2008?
You gather the “anti-war” people under the banner of your pro-war, fascist party, therefore cutting off third party challenges on behalf of corporate interests which fund the party.
I’ll allow that you’re probably sincere about peace. If so, where are your articles of impeachment after numerous war crimes and crimes against humanity by this most criminal of administrations?
Not donig everything you possibly can for peace, are you?
I also remember how September 11th,and a massive cover up didn’t seem to bother you. You were more concerned with steroids in baseball than the Bush administration deliberately allowing the 9-11 attacks to happen. Where were you when Cyntha McKinney was hosting a conference on omissions in the September 11th commisssion report?
If you really cared about world peace, you would leave this criminall complicit party controlled by warmongers, and mount your own 3rd party challenge. The legitimacy of you party and of the entire system is nil. This is a plutocracy, not a democracy. And you are an integral part of it. You put the smiling, peaceful face on a party of ruthless scum and murderers.
We hear how Bush has murdered 650,000 Iraqi civilians.
We never hear much how Clinton murdered twice that amount through biological weapons in the form of sanctions.
That’s your party at work, Dennis. Don’t pretend otherwise.
John Doraemi publishes Crimes of the State:
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By sierra, December 17, 2006 at 9:12 am #
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Go Dennis!!!!
If you can continue to forcefully articulate your message over the coming months, you will have this “independent’s” vote and many others. Just as the Independents helped change the face of Congress and Senate in 2006!
On a negative note, as a lifelong student of “real history,” I’m afraid America has crossed the “Rubicon,” and will not be able to return to what we educationaly “thought America was all about.”
Good Luck, Dennis!
Report thisBy SA, December 13, 2006 at 9:49 am #
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Love Congressman Kucinich and everything he stands for. I keep my ear close to what he says as he speaks from the heart and cares about the people of the world. He does not act from self-interest and can set this country in right direction. My salute, peace and love to you, Sir.
Report thisBy phil.fagan, December 12, 2006 at 8:43 pm #
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the funny part of this whole thing is that we the people actually bitch and complain as if we actually had a say in how this country is ran...i mean shit the whole country including our leaders does the look to the left look to the right what should I do shuffle and shit don’t get done....i mean really when in the past however many years has our government done something that actually made progress, not regress. and yet i bitch
Report thisBy Spinoza, December 11, 2006 at 2:22 pm #
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Law and Order will prevail.
http://soozyq2.googlepages.com/EwanMacCollPeggySeeger- Legal-Illegal.mp3
Report thisBy Spinoza, December 11, 2006 at 2:05 pm #
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The LIBERALS are organizing as fast as possible to move the country to the right on foreign policy and just about all other policy. WE NEED TO GET OUT IN THE STREETS.
http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn12092006.html
Report thisBy proofpositive, December 10, 2006 at 8:10 pm #
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People keep expressing puzzlement as to why the war continues—a war so pointless and irrational that neither the enemy or the goal can even be identified.
Report thisPeople must realize that the primary beneficiary of the war is Israel, and that a prominent cabal of Israeli lobbyists and sympathisers—Perle, Wolfowitz, Feith, Cheney and others—were instrumental in involving the USA in it. Until more people grasp this fact I see the Iraq war continueing indefinitely.
I used to be contemptous of Kucinich when he was Cleveland’s infamous “boy mayor.” Now, he’s one of the few politicians willing to take a stand. Times change.
By yours truly, December 10, 2006 at 4:14 pm #
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Will our president be impeached? It’s up to us. We go for it ourselves, he’s a goner. We sit back and wait for Congress to do it for us, forget it.
Report thisBy Reda, December 10, 2006 at 1:25 am #
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It is a joke
Americans citizens voted for a change.
There will be No Change.
There are TOO MANY Interestests to be preserved....
The bottome line
Report thisat the end the American People will loose and the poor Iraquis
By Impeach Now- No Stalling, December 9, 2006 at 7:24 pm #
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To Mr. Scheer,
in your next interview, would you ask Mr. Kucinich about impeachment. Has he heard Constitutional scholar Jonathan Turley (frequently on Olbermann, video clips spread all over the web) speak on the subject?
Mr. Turley testified at Conyers’ basement hearing Jan ‘06, that Bush “admitted to an impeachable offense” and he felt it was Congress’ duty to reign in this renegade president. Kucinich was not present at that hearing, perhaps he is unaware of the fact that Bush admitted to committing this impeachable offense 30 times, or the fact that Bush lied about the illegal spying on the 2004 campaign trail, or that AG Gonzales lied about it during his confirmation hearing.
Mr. Scheer, please ask Mr. Kucinich what he thinks about impeachment- we the people have the right to know.
I know Pelosi and Conyers have taken it off the table, but someone needs to bring it back, and I’m sure millions of Americans would gratefully rally behind Mr. Kucinich if he did.
Thank you TruthDig!
Report thisBy Mannapat, December 9, 2006 at 6:50 pm #
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I was once a Republican...voted for Reagan...a terrible mistake. Then I became a Democrat. Next stop...the Green Party. I’ve had it with the lies we keep hearing. I can’t accept what I’m hearing from the Democratic leadership. We hired them to end the Iraq War as soon as possible. If they vote to continue funding the war instead, then that’s when I change my registration to the Green Party. I won’t even care any longer if it might waste my vote and allow the Republicans back in. Who cares if there’s no difference between them? We have to start sometime.
Report thisBy DennisD, December 9, 2006 at 5:59 pm #
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With Nancy Pelosi saying that she would not act on measures of impeachment for Bu$h Inc. anyone expecting change in Washington is going to be terribly disappointed. It looks like business as usual for our elected royalty. The names and faces may change but the song they sing remains the same. We have no leadership in this country - only co-conspirators.
Report thisI guess anything other than having your pants down around your ankles in the oval office doesn’t qualify for impeachment. How quickly the Democrats have forgotten. WE the voters will not.
WE the voters have lost this country to the special interests and WE the people are the only ones that can take it back.
Anyone in Congress or the Senate not even willing to address IMPEACHMENT for the Bu$h cabal should be recalled at the state level and removed from office.
By Jes, December 9, 2006 at 5:46 pm #
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The Democratic Party should be calling for impeachment right now! to end the war and stop Bush from further damage to our country.
But according to Cynthia McKinney, Conyers isn’t even going to investigate Bush!!!
http://www.gnn.tv/articles/2791/BREAKING_Congresswoman _McKinney_Files_Articles_of_Impeachment
“Will other members of congress support the action Congresswoman McKinney has brought forth?
At the table in what could be considered her impeachment war room the question is brought up a number of times.
Mike, an advisor to McKinney, mentions, Conyers was supposed to have investigations. They were chomping at the bit 6 months ago to do subpoenas.
McKinney quietly replies, Now they say they arent even going to issue subpoenas.
Report thisBy Hillsman Heath, December 9, 2006 at 4:45 pm #
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Thank you, Congressman Kucinich, for not giving up on this country, for continuing to work hard and with integrity, and for getting the truth out.
Report thisBy Hank Van den Berg, December 9, 2006 at 3:35 pm #
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Indeed, the pro-war Democrats are the biggest danger for the country right now. Just yesterday, Harry Reid piously vowed to keep the $150 billion or so in new funds out of the hands of Halliburton. Never mind that there is no need for more money for the Iraq war if we withdraw! Instead, Reid is talking about how to spend the money to “protect the troops.” With another $150 billion, we’ll be there until 2009 or later. We must stop giving more money to the war machine. We should support only politicians who vote to cut off the money and spend what is already appropriated to bring the troops home. The apology for our invasion and occupation can be done for free by email!
Hank Van den Berg
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By Lefty, December 9, 2006 at 2:20 pm #
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The goal of the Ronald Reagan deregulation movement has been achieved. America is now a model of fascism.
The only realistic cure that I can think of is a combination of: 1) public financing of all elections, and 2) criminalization and zealous prosecution of all political contributions and quid-pro-quo political transactions of any kind.
Report thisBy Spinoza, December 9, 2006 at 1:41 pm #
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HE HE HE HA HA HA, McKiney has it right. We need to impeach the Bushites. How about a Kucinich McKiney ticket???
McKinney introduces bill to impeach Bush By BEN EVANS, Associated Press Writer
Fri Dec 8, 6:29 PM ET
WASHINGTON - In what was likely her final legislative act in Congress, outgoing Georgia Rep. Cynthia McKinney announced a bill Friday to impeach President Bush.
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The legislation has no chance of passing and serves as a symbolic parting shot not only at Bush but also at Democratic leaders. Incoming House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., has made clear that she will not entertain proposals to sanction Bush and has warned the liberal wing of her party against making political hay of impeachment.
McKinney, a Democrat who drew national headlines in March when she struck a Capitol police officer, has long insisted that Bush was never legitimately elected. In introducing her legislation in the final hours of the current Congress, she said Bush had violated his oath of office to defend the Constitution and the nation’s laws.
McKinney has made no secret of her frustration with Democratic leaders since voters ousted her from office in the Democratic primary this summer. In a speech Monday at George Washington University, she accused party leaders of cowing to Republicans on the war in Iraq and on military mistreatment of prisoners.
McKinney, who has not discussed her future plans, has increasingly embraced her image as a controversial figure.
She has hosted numerous panels on Sept. 11 conspiracy theories and suggested that Bush had prior knowledge of the terrorist attacks but kept quiet about it to allow friends to profit from the aftermath. She introduced legislation to establish a permanent collection of rapper Tupac Shakur’s recordings at the National Archives and calling for a federal investigation into his killing.
But it was her scuffle with a Capitol police officer that drew the most attention. McKinney struck the officer when he tried to stop her from entering a congressional office building. The officer did not recognize McKinney, who was not wearing her member lapel pin.
A grand jury in Washington declined to indict McKinney over the clash, but she eventually apologized before the House.
Report thisBy brassballs, December 9, 2006 at 12:45 pm #
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I admit to not knowing about Mr. Kucinich’s views until recently. I have to say that he, and people such as Ron Paul and Russ Feingold are giving me pause to reconsider my long held view that ALL politicians are for sale, and will go with the Washington flow when ample pressure is applied.
I believe that the terms Democrat & Republican are obsolete. The real litmus test should be to determine if all of our current and potential future reps. are ‘Globalists’. If so, then they should not be permitted to run for office.
We need to hold the new Democratic congress’s feet to the fire over the Iraq debacle - lest the current administration get their wish and expand the conflict to Iran, which is our current veep’s main goal before they leave, or are forced to leave office.
The situation in Iraq is being called “grave”, and rightfully so for all involved. Sadly, we also have a “grave” situation in the US, lack of responsible and accountable leadership, and the shocking indifference displayed by most of its citizenry, who appear to care more about Britney, Paris and Tom than our young sons & daughters who are in harm’s way, and last but not least, an Iraqi populace that continues to suffer greatly.
Report thisBy Jim Goodson, December 9, 2006 at 8:12 am #
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Is this Congress going to be a Bait And Switch Democrat Congress? Or do they plan to end the Conflict? What part of no does Congress understand? The people have spoken.Start moving our troops out of harms way. Our present coarse of war planning will never succeed.JLG
Report thisBy Robert Scattergood, December 9, 2006 at 12:27 am #
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Terrence O´Neil got it right.
Your so called Congress is largely nothing more than a pack of characterless individuals who have willingly become politicians for hire. There are signal exceptions, to be sure. They need your public, personal, visible support. The others are bought and sold by the corporate interests that temporarily control the American as well as the vast majority of other populaces around the planet. The results of their actions recently as well as contemporarily proves the issue beyond rational debate.
When you finally wake up and smell the coffee, if you should live that long, you will come to realize that the effort required is continual, and that it is Human, not “American”, that it is Global, not “national” in scope.
Nationstates are a bogus contraption that were long since relegated to the trashbin of history, if you were taught the truth of our existence that is. But you never were.
There is in fact only one nation, planet Earth.
There is in fact only one race, Home Sapiens (rapidly evolving into Homo Supericus)
The story is as old as man himself and every generation must choose…
If you actually still believe that you in fact possess an impartial electoral system in which your representatives are selected based on the egalitarian concept of one individual one vote, then you are sorely duped indeed.
America will be perceived as a great society once again when Americans rise up and re-establish the precepts that their forebears died for. On a global scale, where it matters now.
For those who are able, willing, and ready to get the job done, you will have to start with a short list of senior corporate owners of inordinate criminal, manipulative ability.
You can save the characterless prostitutes for hire (that´s how you actually spell “politician") for much later for they, in and of themselves, are nothing when their masters are removed…
Report thisBy Susie, December 8, 2006 at 11:31 pm #
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How is Peace ever going to come about in the world if everyone is so prejidis and so hateful ln the name of Jesus,or Metaphysics,or Muslim,Jewish,..whatever Religions are around the world....all anyone wants, is to have respect,a home to raise their families,a community of their own,enough monies,houseing,education, food and clothing,a job,a choice of belief in GOD....to make Peace is to RESPECT one anothers space on this planet,and to either leave eachother alone to their own lives,help each other in times of need ...if we all,as a global community cannot get along....then we are all as ignorant as Jesus said.And the only true answer is Prayer.This has been Gods war from the beginning,and either you believe God or you don’t...He said if we would all say, we are sorry...He,God,would heal our land...BUT,because of sibling rivalry to GOD,and the Powers that be..we can only pray for Peace and unless, enough of us, in the Global community , realise, that we are all… from God...we can continue to fight and die for nothing,and who really wins? NO ONE.It was all for nothing.We need a leader like Dennis Kucinich who understands, the fact that from the beginning of time there has been a Spiritual battle..and that battle is real.Take time to pray and take time to read your Bibles...we are all only human,and pray for Dennis.He is a good man.A true leader,a soldier...for God.A vote for Dennis is a vote for Truth and Respect for all mankind,and the lie of Seperation has to be healed by communnication and understanding that the whole world is waiting on God...we all are basically waiting for our Jesus.We all are.The hatred is not of God..it is the unbelief that has caused the wars,God is watching and waiting and we must respect and forgive,but we can all be restasured,that if given the leadership,and if need be..Dennis would do what he would have to,to Protect the USA First!!! As well as the Global community as best he could.God Bless you Dennis and God Speed.Just a thought and a prayer for all of us.
Report thisBy Edward Cohen, December 8, 2006 at 9:39 pm #
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Progressive my ass. There is nothing progressive about opposing jingoism and hegemony. Repealing USA PATRIOT is not progressive. Peace is not progressive. War is not conservative. Justice is not progressive. I am not progressive, and I voted for Dennis in Boston, 2004. I voted for Dennis because he was the only Libertarian running for President.
A liberal is one who liberally convolutes Article I, Sections 8 and 9 of the so-called Constitution of the so-called USA. A conservative is one who conserves the limitations and prohibitions of government pursuant to the Charters of Federation otherwise known as The Declaration of 1776, and Constitution.
War, taxation, regulation, indoctrination, regimentation, expeditionaryism, occupation, annexation, clericism, colonialism, apartheid, bantuism, and unabashed ideology are all liberal affectations. Progressive is non-sequitor and just newspeak for liberal.
Libertarians never embraced the neo-con/Imperial/Zionist agenda and reject catagorically the rectitudinous demonization of conservatives by pontificous progressives. And FYI, I was not the only conservative Kucinich delegate.
Libertarians never supported this insane war on drugs, civil forfeiture, manditory minimums, death penalty, wiretapping with or without authorization, conscription, Homeland Security or TSA. These are liberal contrivances that are unabashedly embraced by the vast majority of democrats, elected or otherwise. In Maine, it was Republicans who most vehemently opposed the re-election of War Party Sen. Olympia Snowe, and dim dems who voted for her.
People like war, oppression, police, prison, statutory law and the misery of others, and they do not like precocious progressives. Wake up and smell the napalm, you sanctimonious miscreants.
Report thisBy Gloria Beutner, December 8, 2006 at 7:10 pm #
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I was against the Iraq war from the beginning before it started and I am totally disillusioned with the Democratic party with a few exceptions like Kucinich and Obama. What will it take to bring the troops home now? I, after many years as a Democrat, am now unaffiliated, looking for new leadership. The people of this country have been ignored, their voices stifled, where is our “democracy” now? We have voted for change, we are getting the same old same old, more money for continuing the war, where and when will it end? Will it end in the streets of America, what will it take to stop our headlong rush into debt and immoral use of power, our destruction of the people of Iraq? Who among us is strong enough to take the leadership for the rest of us to follow them back to sanity and peace?
Report thisBy PHYLLIS A SEDLACEK, December 8, 2006 at 6:05 pm #
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COME ON ELECTED OFFICIALS IN WASHINGTON, BRING OUR MILITARY HOME FOR CHRISTMAS AND ALL TIMES AFTER. DIDN’T WE VOTE FOR YOU TO END THIS WAR!!!
Report thisBy werner lange, December 8, 2006 at 3:56 pm #
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President Kucinich: an idea whose time has come.
Report thisBy yours truly, December 8, 2006 at 3:47 pm #
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The big showdown isn’t Dennis Kucinich against the Democratic leadership, it’s “Take care of number one” versus “Thy neighbor as thyself, being that it’s the outcome of this conflict that decides whether us human beings survive or not. .
Report thisBy Stephanie Farago, December 8, 2006 at 3:06 pm #
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Has anyone mentioned PEACE TALKS? I think talking is the beginning, it’s called diplomacy. Stop shooting, stop killing, stop being killed and start talking to all of those sides involved. Sunis, Sheites, Americans, Iranians, Syrians, Israelis, Palestinians and TELEVISE IT so we can all know who wants what and what it would take to stop the killing that Jesus, Mohammed and all other Gods would not vote for.
We did not vote for more money to be used to kill our soldiers and Iragis. We voted for a change for a peaceful solution.
“No matter how long you are on the wrong road, turn around.”
Report thisBy Margaret Currey, December 8, 2006 at 2:34 pm #
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Talk about how could we have gotten a president so pigheaded, so short sighted, I think the title Comander and Chief has going to his head, of course it is not a head, it is just a rack for his hat.
I think that Nancy Paloci should take another look at Bush recently, he will not listen to anyone about starting to bring the troops home, does anyone remember his compaign slogan compashionnabe concerative, and he was the guy who was supposed to listen to both sides, the man is not even listining to his own side, this is a dangerous man, does anyone remember a guy called Hitler. This man was elected to office, it took a long time for him to leave and he left with a bullet in his brain. Does Bushie have to be stopped by violent means?
IMPEACH THE WHOLE ADMINISTRATION BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE.
Margaret from Vancouver, Washington
Report thisBy RiverAl, December 8, 2006 at 2:27 pm #
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This war will continue as long as there is a constituancy for it. Weapons manufacturers, the Pentagon, security providers all have a vested interest in keeping the war in maximum spending mode.
Report thisHow about a gas tax at the pump to fully pay the expense of this war? Every week middle America would get a reminder that they are paying for Bush’s war, and the connection between war, oil, and money would be reinforced every time at the pump.
Corporate America no longer concerns itself with health, education, environmental issues, or our deficit spending here at home. They are global now, and they can buy and sell their products around the world.
By Dr. Knowitall, PhD, PhD, December 8, 2006 at 2:06 pm #
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One of the great “moments” in American history, in my opinion, happened in the 60’s during the Viet Nam conflict and the civil rights movement, when the college students and the hippies, then the Blacks, hit the streets. Why haven’t we learned from that? Why isn’t there civil disobedience? Why isn’t there a general strike? No one seems willing, myself included, to DO anything about the egregious behavior of congress and the Bush administration. Maybe we really are a minority opinion. Why are there no leaders like King and Hoffman and Malcom. This is all BS, apparently. Change will come when our government gets its peoples’ message, like in the 60’s and probably not before. They like blood. Say, the army’s away on call, how ‘bout a coup?!?! Oh, it’s the phone...It’s the FBI. How the Hell’d they find me???
Report thisBy George Held, December 8, 2006 at 1:00 pm #
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It’s all well and good to bitch and moan at the Dem leadership’s complicity in continuing W’s war, but we need to leave our keyboards and act.
Report thisRemember the March on the Pentagon, which helped to stir antiwar sentiment in the late 60s? We need a new such march in 2007, the earlier the better, to demand an end to this war. And we must remember that the Vietnam War went on for years after the first march. So any new one must be MASSIVE. Meantime, bombard your congresspersons with antiwar mail and support an antiwar candidate for prexy in ‘08.
Barack Obama, now a United States senator, September 2002: I dont oppose all wars. What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other armchair, weekend warriors in this administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne. (from Paul Krugman’s op-ed in today’s NY TIMES)
By richard from boston, December 8, 2006 at 12:59 pm #
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Dennis I made a big mistake back in 2000 You really sounded good back then however I felt that Howard Dean had a lot of momentum and I rode his horse until he lost. What a mistake that was - he has turned out to be a totally Party Guy and that is to support our AIPAC congress in whatever it wants No one will stand up for what is good for this country and the world! it is horrible no one except you Dennis I am with you 100 percent from here on out. You have never wavered never waffled in your adhearance to what is fundamentally sound and good for the USA and the World. Keep it up!
Report thisBy Margaret Currey, December 8, 2006 at 12:58 pm #
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This DICTATOR Bush will not listen to any findings, recomendations, his agenda is more of the same, the new congress will not change anything, He has the VETO power, the SIGNING STATEMENTS, I WILL SAY IT OVER AND OVER AGAIN, IMPEACH, IMPEACH, IMPEACH, IMPEACH, IMPEACH, IMPEACH.
Margaret from Vancouver, Washington
Report thisBy Margaret Currey, December 8, 2006 at 12:50 pm #
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I will say this until I am blue in the face IMPEACH, IMPEACH, IMPEACH, IMPEACH, IMPEACH, IMPEACH.
Margaret from Vancouver, Washington
Report thisBy Margaret Currey, December 8, 2006 at 12:38 pm #
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To #4136l, WARped on 12/8. My feeling exately, seems as there are a lot of change sides, if the name is democrat, become a democrat, I want to see some one stand up to be president who is not afraid of doing what is right, and maybe some will see that and vote that person in again. What we need are some people who are not afraid, someone made the statement long ago that our government is as good the money it takes, inotherwords worshiping the dollar, and the only GOD that the King George prays to is money.
margaret from Vancouver, Washington
Report thisBy feckless, December 8, 2006 at 12:02 pm #
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Dear Representative Kucinich,
I stood for you in the 2004 primary.
If YOU do not start educating the American people about Campbell v Clinton, what you are advocating will never come about. You cannot just ask people to do the right thing, you have to show them, and beat it into their consciousness.
Thank you for your work.
Report thisBy WARped, December 8, 2006 at 9:37 am #
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I totally supported Dennis for president, and still do but if he doesn’t bring up Impeachment now then I’m all done-we’ll have to find another. Sorry Dennis but sometimes you just have to part with the party and do what you have to do. You have the majority of the public on your side if you take the bull by the horns, and what better way to attract attention to your campaign for 2008? Do it! Impeachment is our only option. Indict , convict and hang them all.
Report thisBy yeranalyst, December 8, 2006 at 8:41 am #
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Rahm Emanuel is the Zionist stealth pig in the Democratic party. A serious effort must be made to front this scum out.
Report thisBy yeranalyst, December 8, 2006 at 8:32 am #
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If the 70 billion supplemental is passed. That will be the last time I vote for a Democrat in my life. I’ve been betrayed by these pigs long enough.
Report thisAt the point this bill passes that is when this war is the Democrats war and they alone will be the murdering scum who will be held accountable for it.
By Terrence O'Neill, December 8, 2006 at 8:31 am #
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My family have been Democrats forever. The new Congress majority is NOT. They’re plutocrat puppets, dangled by the excessively wealthy robber-baron campain contributors, who are the bad guys, traitors.
Report thisUntil we start pressuring these campaign contributors personally to get out of politics, nothing is going to change. The new bills prove it.
Name names, and publicize the Greedies’ deeds. They’re not Americans; they’re ‘multi-nationalists’, ‘globalists’, who want to dumb-down and poor-down our good society to be as corrupt as those they buy slave-labor-goods from, so they can be psuedo-aristocrats, regressing 300 years in history.
Good men must (individually, anonymously) act, or evil will triumph.
By farang, December 8, 2006 at 8:14 am #
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Dennis:
Run as a “Green Democrat”. But run as a Green for President.
Report thisBy bob w, December 8, 2006 at 6:38 am #
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I’ve been a democrat all my life, but I’m really disgusted with all of them. Talk about a do nothing congress. Nothing appears set for change; just more of the same bull…
Report thisThe main problem is, no one wants to stand up and be responsible. Everybody is worried about their future and careers. We need a hero.., someone to call for help!
Is there a doctor in the house?
Please, can’t someone come forward and sign the papers demanding that this delusional freak “King George the Decider,” be committed to a mental institution. Isn’t there a standard set for mental illness allowing for committment. Most everyone, who isn’t also deluded, can see this guy is ill, in his own world and really needs psychiatric assistance.
Where is God’s help in W’s divine purpose?
Unfortunately, many more brave Americans will die for their King and his spoils, but we all will pay a price we can’t afford for just sitting and watching the movie. God, save America. “God save the Queen”; it’s much too late to save the king.
By rabblerowzer, December 8, 2006 at 3:52 am #
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If Democrats worked half as hard for the common good as Republicans work for corporate corruption, the country wouldnt be going bankrupt. Youll never hear a story like this reported by the mass media of course, but if Democrats reported the facts on hundreds of stories like this on cspan, they could begin to educate the American people. The fact that they dont isnt simply a matter of sloth, its a matter of money. Stealing from the many for the sake of the rich is what our corrupt system of government is all about.
Too bad a majority of Americans are too stupid to figure that out.
Now that Republicans have shown them how to do it, dont be surprised if Democrats join in the Washington FEEDING FRENZY. Hardly anybody ever goes to jail, and so what if you get voted out of office after stealing tens of millions of dollars. Grab the money and run.
Report thisBy Charles Newlin, December 7, 2006 at 11:24 pm #
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In my previous comment, I talked about the ‘08 election primarily as a form of pressure on our Representatives now.
The World Cant Wait is right. We need action now. If the Dems dont come through promptly, it’s time for a lot of direct action. Anybody else remember how the Vietnam War ended? The war came home to Washington, right there on the cover of Time magazine, and ultimately the soldiers mostly refused to fight. And then, of course, the Vietnamese won.
One reason to get our troops out as quickly as possible is that the situation could go really sour in a big hurry. If the Shia decide they don’t need the occupation any more, and there are signs of an alliance between them and the Sunni insurgency, the whole thing will be over very quickly. And very badly. This I fully expect; only the timing remains unclear. So, we need our people out of there as quickly as possible.
Report thisBy Bert, December 7, 2006 at 10:34 pm #
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Well, Dennis, here’s a ‘new direction’ on Iraq, OUT, as in ‘any point on the compass in a distance equal to or greater than the mean average radius from the center of the country of Iraq. War’s been over for 3 years, at some point, the people of Iraq will, themselves, have to assume governance of their own country. It’d be really really cool if some of our legislators started taking a keener interest in fixing domestic problems, like chronic federal and state overspending for starters, and start figuring out how to kill off the national debt. I hope that Congress et. al. will stop trying to lead the country down the proverbial garden path, and instead start working on rebuilding our national infrastructure, and strongly exhorting the leaders of other countries to start doing the same. I think our military has done what it can to try and stabilize Iraq or whatever, what comes next will largely be up to the people themselves, and their neighbor countries. Some things, you just gotta do yourself, no one else can do it for you.
Every year this whole thing continues, it represents billions more in national debt. That debt already stands at 8.5 trillion, and it’s climbing, Dennis, every year. Maybe you could write to Texas Instruments, and see if they’d be willing to do something along the lines of ‘Calculators for Congress’ or something like that, and then go to Wal-Mart and get yourself a stencil kit, and some red spray paint, and go outside on the steps of Capitol Hill and every third step or so, make your mark on Washington
by putting down words on the steps like ‘public accountability’, ‘national debt’, ‘recall election’, ‘voter polls’, ‘do the math’, ‘change begins at home’, ‘no taxpayer left behind’, come up with some of your own slogans, too, don’t just use mine, but here’s some more, if you’re so inclined:’energy independence’, ‘global population growth’, ‘oil wars’, ‘impeachment is legal’, ‘anti-trust’, ‘lobbyist regulation’, ‘term limits’, ‘fraud investigation’, ‘ethics hearings’, so forth and so on, you kind of get the idea…
Anyway, that’s the principle of the thing, to my view, the ‘way forward’ in Iraq is again, any distance traveled in a straight line as measured from the middle of the country equal to or greater than the mean average radius, as in ‘out’, kind of like ol’ Sesame Street, ‘inside’, and ‘outside’. That should be a bout Sen. Kennedy’s speed, there...there, I’ve vented my spleen, I feel better…
Report thisBy allan kern, December 7, 2006 at 9:36 pm #
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It’s as Nader always said--the dems are just another bunch of bought-out crooks like the republicans. They (both parties) keep this war going because every day it puts another 1/2 billion dollars of tax-payer money into various business pockets. Kucinich for pres!
Report thisBy Christopher Robin, December 7, 2006 at 7:30 pm #
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It looks like the Democratic Party has found a backbone.
someone elses.
Report thisBy PowerPlay, December 7, 2006 at 7:26 pm #
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What is really interesting is people think the Democrats are better than the Republicans people they are of the same cloth. Not one has called for the impeachment of Bush nor stripping him of the powers Congress foolishly gave up. People need to make sure that these democrats know that they too are not secure in the majority.
As far as Rahm Emanuel, people need to know that Emanuel is not his birth name. Do research on Rahm Emanuel and you will find he has dual citizenship..US&Israel;. He is the spy in the white house. Rahm Emanuel you will find that he went to fight a war in Israel while claiming to be a US citizen. Now he is advocating more money for war?
People do not sleep on the democrats they too are bought and paid for by crooks and criminals. It time to clean both houses and both parties. These people have been there too long. They are a bunch of done nothings also.
Are Americans so damn stupid as to realize they need to get rid of foreigners in the government who are only serving their countries and not the US.
Report thisBy Ga, December 7, 2006 at 7:04 pm #
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“...why dont our leaders want to stop the killing NOW[?]”
Because the “leaders” and their crony “pundits” (the Right Wing press/radio) as well as their supporters live (well, want to anyway) in a fantasy world where they see the world as though children playing Cowboys n’ Indians—with their (America’s) role of the strong-willed sheriff shootin’ down the bad guys.
It’s the American persona as told by the likes of Mason Weems (http://xroads.virginia.edu/~cap/gw/gwmoral.html) reinforced through icons of the stage and screen from “Nathan Brittles” in John Ford’s “She Wore a Yellow Ribbon” to “Jack Bauer” of “24”.
They call themselves “Cultural Warriors” these arm-chair vigilantes who themselves do not do any fighting beyond shouting on the airwaves an in books - the Limbaughs, O’Reillys, Coulters, Savages, and the Becks. Vile people who never offer solutions; only hatred of anything differing from their fantasy image of what America should be: white christians in nice homes with a working Dad and a stay-at-home breeding Mom. All people “of color” need to stay on their side of the border thank-you-very-much.
These “Cultural Warriors” egg people on though, don’t they. This War would not have happened if enough people actually were educated enough to know that a military occupation NEVER GOES WELL NOR AS PLANNED AND ALWAYS HAVE COSTS VASTLY GREATER THAN IMAGINABLE.
This is not “Dubya-Dubya-Two” where our Audie Murphy’s kills all the “bad guys”. This war was ordained to be a mess from conception. Only people who have learned their history by WATCHING MOVIES would have thought that the U.S.A. could possibly have turned Iraq into a “beacon of democracy” by force and invasion.
Occupation is a violent act. Occupation makes people angry!
In this country we have millions of people in an uproar when their electricity goes out for more than 12 hours! When they are inconvienenced in line for the latest Playstation!
Can you imagine living in a country with hundreds of thousands dead over five years by another countries bombs and soldiers? With foreign tanks blowing up houses? Foreign troops kicking down doors and arresting your neighbors? You would be so angry you’d want to fight back any way you could!
But, no. Our “leaders” want to be written about as “heros” who brought democracy to the Middle East.
But at what cost? At what cost!
Report thisBy Yankee Clipper, December 7, 2006 at 6:52 pm #
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Before we begin tar and feathering our newly elected congress about military spending, how about checking some information on why the the Dems just might want to increase that budget:
Official Iraq war costs don’t tell the whole story
Report thishttp://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/16178947.htm
By Impeach Bush & Cheney: If not now, when?, December 7, 2006 at 5:34 pm #
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I’m 100% positive that many TruthDig readers KNOW that there is sufficient grounds for impeachment.
Is there not a single Congressperson that is capable of taking this truth to the public. Dennis is saying great things about Iraq, but he doesn’t ever address the case for impeachment.
Why can’t one single Congressperson state clearly that there is a very serious case for impeachment, for charges of treason to be brought against the criminals in the Executive Branch. To state this and demand a real debate, open to the public, broadcast on C-span. And I mean Demand it- To go outside the “Today” show and bang on the windows during taping, then maybe they’d let him in to talk… after a week or two.
ps- to the commenters re: election 2008.... what the hell- you don’t mind the continued carnage… why don’t our leaders want to stop the killing NOW!
Report thisBy John C, December 7, 2006 at 5:00 pm #
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Like all bully’s, the United States will not stop being the world bully until it gets a real bloody nose. I’m afraid that we people who oppose the war can only wait until that happens. No amount of logical analysis and persuation is going to stop a national leadership that persists in sustaining the attitude of a bully. And believe me, when it comes to “bully attitudes”, there is no difference between the two parties.
Report thisBy Reed Richards, December 7, 2006 at 4:24 pm #
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Ah! The other wing of the War Party has finally shown its colors! People, the time has now come to shut down the Democratic Wing of the War Party once and for all. I am voting for the Green Party all the way in 2008!
Report thisBy Michael, December 7, 2006 at 3:25 pm #
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I stopped voting for Democrats, even in the last election, because it was obvious they weren’t going to change a thing. . . and they are quickly showing I was right. As near as I can tell, Kucinich has been, for quite some time, the only honest man in Washington, and I hope he runs again for President.
Report thisBy Don Knutsen, December 7, 2006 at 3:05 pm #
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The members of Congress have for so long been sucking on the lobby tit that they really don’t feel much of a need to do what their constituants would want in regards to Iraq, Health Care, or just about anything else. The sad fact is that there is precious little difference between the parties. The republicans blindly goose-step behind Rove / Bush and the democrats with but a few exceptions are too afraid to stick their necks out on any principal. Your are hard pressed to identify what any of them stand for except what their party leaders tell them. Rep. Kucinich stands out almost alone as one of our politicians who somehow is able to remember why he was elected to the Congress. To represent the people of both his district and the nation as a whole. Its time we start demanding some actions on the issues that really effect us all like our pathetic health care system, the ridiculous cost of higher education, a tax system that favors only the wealthy, and holding this administration accountable, finally, for causing so much damage to America. Its time we vote out all the politicians who are not working dillegently on these issues.
Report thisBy Not- so Rich, December 7, 2006 at 3:03 pm #
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Has anybody here actually sat down and talked with Mr. Kucinich? I interviewed him a few years ago. Unfortunately, folks, he is way, way too intelligent and honest to be elected President.
Report thisBy Spinoza, December 7, 2006 at 2:34 pm #
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We have to fight the Jewish Lobby
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article15800.htm
And because of the large number of anti- Semites on the web: The Jewish Lobby is not the same as all Jews.
Report thisBy Lance, December 7, 2006 at 1:52 pm #
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There should be an income tax “war surcharge” levied every time a war appropriations bill is passed. After all, we have to pay for our little wars. right? So for each of your senators and your congressman who voted “yes” you get a 10% surcharge. All three voted “Yes?” Fine. Add 30 % to your “tax owed” line on the 1040 form.
Put THAT law on the books and then let’s see who in Congress really thinks we ought to continue funding this “war.”
Report thisBy SPINOZA, December 7, 2006 at 1:47 pm #
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We got to get rid of all the Bushites including those in the Democrat Party.
Please look at the World Can’t Wait web site. They seem to be the only group on the broad left that is fighting the Bushites, ALL OF THEM. The Democrats are funded by the same people who are funding the Republicans.
People, non-violence will not work in fighting fascism. People on the left have to arm or we will stay in the fascist imperialist mode forever.
Report thisBy Amigo, December 7, 2006 at 1:08 pm #
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Let us ALL keep writing to our Reps and Senators,"Bring the troops home NOW” and if they don’t listen, we will have to follow up with “sit-ins” at each one of their local offices; will the Green Party lead ?
Report thisEnough with all the talk; let us do the walk!
By Don Warden, December 7, 2006 at 12:40 pm #
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This administration has continually outwitted the democrats on Iraq. I voted for democrats this last election because I truly felt that that they would fight to end this war while knowing in my heart that this bunch of clowns would be no different than the last. The only way we, the people, will ever be able to make a change in Washington is if we vote against the incumbent every election until they finally get the message that we will hold them accountable.
Report thisBy Jon B, December 7, 2006 at 12:12 pm #
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To support more funding for the war, democrats are pushing their luck. Voters aren’t going to forget this.
Whoever supported this WMD to war in Iraq ought to be kicked out in the next election.
Report thisBy StereoMan, December 7, 2006 at 11:27 am #
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Whether we all agree with Mr. Kucinich or not on the question of withdrawal of US military from Iraq, it is an affront to our democracy for the matter not to be debated. Congratulations to Mr. Kucinich and to his supporters for making the option of withdrawal relevant.
BTW, I hope we all know by now, Kucinich has declared his candidacy for President in 2008.
Go Dennis!
Report thisBy Charles Newlin, December 7, 2006 at 10:07 am #
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The Democratic leadership in Congress need to understand that they have run out of excuses; the voters took those away in November. They will now pay a terrible political price if they continue to support the Iraq war.
I’ve been saying all along that if someone votes for the war, votes to continue funding the war, and generally acts as if they support the war, we can safely assume that they SUPPORT THE WAR. The reasons simply don’t matter; maybe Halliburton is paying them off under the table, maybe they’re afraid of political repercussions, maybe they’re afraid of being locked up as enemy combatants. And maybe they’re just imperialists. Remember, Viet Nam was the Democrats’ war. If they refuse to stop it, it is theirs, and we will have to vote accordingly. And about time.
You can contact your Representative to say so; you can also do something more dramatic: change your registration. There is a progressive party in this country: the Greens. Sure, they’re feeble; that’s because so many progressives lack the courage of their convictions. So far, we’ve let ouselves be bamboozled by the Dems.
Tired of bait and switch? Suspecting that it’s absolutely deliberate and they’re not going to stop? Join the Greens; let’s all work hard on our campaign apparatus and offer Kucinich the Presidential nomination in two years. By then, he’ll be ready to switch, too.
A party is only as good as the people in it. ‘08 is going to be an interesting year: Bush will have put the Republicans deep in the toilet, and the way they’re going, the Dems will be there, too, with the Iraq albatross stinking around their necks. It’s going to be a very good year for new parties. So let’s all make it happen, if the Dems don’t shape up fast. And tell your Representative THAT.
Report thisBy yours truly, December 7, 2006 at 9:52 am #
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Yes we have to create such an uproar that Congress rejects this supplemental bill to fund the Iraq war. Why? Because if we don’t the slaughter continues and who else but ourselves to blame, being that we’ll have had our chance and failed.
Report thisBy Ruth Wilson, December 7, 2006 at 9:45 am #
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This soon after the election we should not be having to make lists of possible motives for the people we just put in power in Wash. to be doing an about face on everything they know we wanted..but here goes the list....#1. how many of them owe their eyeteeth to AIPAC? 2.Do they really believe that the Rove’s, the neo-cons and other vampires who have control of the GOP will go for that “let’s just all be friends and make a better gov’t.”, stuff? If they believe it then they haven’t been keeping track of the traps the Republicans have set for them many times and they are walking right into another. Certainly by 2008 their neo-con media troops will be out in force saying it was the Democrats who wanted to stay in Iraq, and they’ll pull up the number of Dem. votes for the 160 billion to prove it. By 2009 they will have at least half of the Americans convinced that the invasion of Iraq in 2003 was really more a DEM. idea than a REP. one.
Report thisPlease feel free to add your own musings to the list. ruth wilson
By Edward Shipwash, December 7, 2006 at 8:26 am #
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The new democratic leadership has given up their moral principles in exchange for political advantages and practicalities. They have breached their constitutional duties by agreeing not to impeach President Bush and Vice President Cheney when it is obvious form publicly disclosed documents that war crimes have been committed by his administration. Likewise, they aim to continue financing the illegal war purely for political reasons. The new democratic leadership is a self-serving body. These leaders do not serve America.
Dr Shipwash
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