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Posted on Nov 16, 2006
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Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio)

By Joshua Scheer

In an interview with Truthdig contributor Joshua Scheer,* Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio) reacts to Rep. John Murtha’s failed bid for House majority leader, and explains why cutting off funding for the Iraq war is the only way to truly protect American troops.

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TRUTHDIG:  With [Steny] Hoyer being named majority leader, what does that mean for the party and for the war in Iraq?

KUCINICH:  The Democrats made their choice, and we’re united behind Nancy Pelosi, Steny Hoyer and our entire leadership team, and we’re going to do everything we can to fulfill the hopes of the American people for a new direction in Iraq, and I am going to do my part to keep the debate going.

TRUTHDIG:  Do you think Murtha’s ethics were the reason he got beaten by Hoyer for majority leader?

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KUCINICH:  No, I think it really speaks to the success that Steny Hoyer had in building up relationships in the last Congress.

TRUTHDIG:  But he’s a supporter of not pulling out and staying the course, right?

KUCINICH:  I think it’s important to get his point of view as to how he would characterize his position. But, you know, with the American people having voted very clearly for a new direction in Iraq, I think every person who’s in the leadership must be mindful that the Democratic agenda must be responsive to the people.

TRUTHDIG:  I was just reading up on your [Nov. 15] appearance on Democracy Now!, in which you talked about cutting off the funds to Iraq as being the only way to make any progress there. Do you want to comment on that?

KUCINICH:  Today, it was announced that 2,000 more Marines are being sent to Anbar province—a place which was already declared “lost” for the purposes of military occupation. Why are we sacrificing our young men and women? Why are we keeping them in an impossible situation? Why are we stoking a civil war with our continued presence? We have to take a new direction in Iraq, and that direction is out.

Now, there are many plans out there. The people talking about phased redeployment, the president as the commander in chief ultimately has the authority to determine the placement of troops. Congress’ real authority, and Congress’ constitutional [mandate] as a co-equal branch of government, requires that it be heard from, and I believe that Congress must exercise its authority to protect the troops by bringing them home. And the only way we can do that effectively is to vote against supplemental appropriations—which has kept the war going, or to vote against appropriation bills which fund the war. That’s Congress’ ultimate power—the power of the purse.

If we truly care about our troops, we’ll get them out. It’s the phoniest argument to say that a cut-off of funds will leave troops stranded in the field. There’s always money in the pipeline to pay for an orderly withdrawal. But those who favor continuing the war or escalating the war are using the troops as a tool to further policies that are against the interests of the troops, against the interests of [the] American people, and against the interests of peace in the world.

TRUTHDIG:  What are the plans with Iran, now that the Democrats have control of Congress?

KUCINICH:  I think the Democratic control of Congress makes it more difficult for the president to pursue a policy which leads to military conflict with Iran. This president would have to come to Congress for approval for any action, and if he decides to take action without the support of Congress, I think he would find himself at a serious constitutional disadvantage. I do not believe that the administration has made a case for any type of attack on Iran. As a matter of fact, it’s urgent that we engage Iran in diplomacy. It’s urgent that we bring both Iran and Syria to the negotiating table—not only for the purposes of resolving issues with respect to those countries, but for the purposes of setting the stage for a broader peace agreement in the entire region, including peace between the Palestinians and the Israelis. We need a whole new approach, which is based on a belief, a confidence that we can use what Franklin Roosevelt called the science of human relations—diplomacy—to resolve our differences. We must reject this administration’s all-too-easy recourse towards military power and consequent rejection of diplomacy.

TRUTHDIG:  Basically, that’s what Tony Blair was saying a few days ago, that you have to reach out to Iran and Syria. Do you think Bush will go along with that? I know he’s a lame duck ...

KUCINICH:  There are many world leaders who are aware of the failed policies of this administration. And even Tony Blair understands that a new direction must be taken if we’re to avoid another war. War with Iran is not inevitable. But we need to talk to the Iranian government, just as we need to open up discussions with the Syrian government. This is the time to do it.  You know, There’s a new Congress. The American people voted for a new direction. Let’s take a new direction. Let’s try diplomacy.



*Interviewer Scheer worked as an entry-level staffer on Kucinich’s state Senate campaign, and was later a summer associate in his congressional office. In this weekly interview series, Rep. Kucinich gives his take on the goings-on in Congress in the wake of the Democrats’ victory.


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By bob, January 19, 2007 at 7:34 am Link to this comment
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do we have to impeach cheney to find out were the funds to iraq have gone?

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By Lobster Martini, January 18, 2007 at 6:27 am Link to this comment
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The important word in the phrase checks and balances is checks, and Congress can’t continue handing out blank ones.  Apart from Joe Lieberman—say it ain’t so, Joe—is there a Democrat in Congress that supports escalation, augmentation, enhancement, or whatever it’s called this week? Even some Republicans, notably Chuck Hagel, are refusing to go down that skunk hole. So Rep. Kucinich is right, it is time to cut off George’s allowance.

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By Margaret Currey, November 27, 2006 at 1:48 pm Link to this comment
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One has only to read history to see why wars are not won as quickly as they should first the people who run the war and not just there for the sake of getting in and getting out, it is about making a political statement, in other words generals may be generals in Washington, but do they know about fighting, all I can say is that this administration knows only one thing and that is to talk out of both sides of their mouths, I mean when Rummy said war is messy and you go to war with what you have not what you want, then and there he should have been given his walking papers, not when an election and the fear of impeachment loom in the president’s eyes.  This president should be impeached along with Dirty Dick, but you know these people checked and rechecked what they were going to do and I doubt that impeachment will work, but I do know that Bush and wife may have been a little scared when they were in Asia.

Marge from Vancouver Washington

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By last mogul, November 27, 2006 at 7:03 am Link to this comment
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Cutting off funding is a non starter but what if you attach a rider to the next appropriations bill that limits tours for soldiers in Iraq to two tours and one for reservists. That would cripple the war effort and Bush couldn’t veto it—tooo popular.

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By bob nace, November 26, 2006 at 8:38 am Link to this comment
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now that we have seen the “conseratives"misspending billions “lost with out a trace” ...will the democrats continue on that path?

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By yours truly, November 25, 2006 at 4:35 pm Link to this comment
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Well whadayaknow, it’s change the world time and looks like it’s a sure thing for us provided we make sure that Congress passes the Kucinich bill that cuts off all funding for the Iraq war.  After which?  The president faces impeachment.  And then?  It’ll be up to us.  .

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By Ga, November 25, 2006 at 9:41 am Link to this comment
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If a war is just one must fight to the end, gritting one’s teeth at the death of “our troops”—for that is the cost of war. That is the price we must pay for War.

However, the broader issue with Iraq is whether or not what the U.S. has done was just (legal) or not.

One can not withdraw from a just war because soldiers are dying. That is a message that Democrats risk giving to the world. Again, the U.S. leaves when its soldiers die.

So, on the one hand, if the war was just (legally), the U.S. can not simply withdraw leaving the Iraqies to fend for themselves—whether via Presidential orders or Congress not funding.

If the war was NOT just…

Most Americans do not like emotions like shame. They don’t like the feeling of having made a mistake. Many would not ever admit to themselve that they made a mistake—even the most extremely simple ones.

But America—with this Iraq “war”—has made a horrible mistake. Absolutely, this Iraq “war” was the most horrific blunder ever imaginable (with the exception of detonating a nuclear bomb in the Middle East).

An occupation is a violent act. We can not ignore that fact. No matter how hard we try to avoid our collective shame of starting this war.

We fucked up.

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By Spinoza, November 25, 2006 at 9:20 am Link to this comment
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> I’m sick of this tyrany. Bush is the devil. Down with the Federal Reserve!

What the hell does the Federal Reserve have to do with Bush???

Sorry but idiot conspiracies don’t subsitute for TRUTH

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By Spinoza, November 25, 2006 at 9:17 am Link to this comment
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Kucinich regularly disappoints.  I know the argument is that to be a politician in the USA who has any hope of any influence you have to disassemble.  But it gives the wrong message.  WE need more people like Ralph Nader to speak truth to power. Watch this film:


This is why capitalist societies can never be democratic. This is why the only good capitalist is a dead capitalist.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7344181953466797353&q=media+duration:long

REVOLUTION NOW

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By sattway, November 24, 2006 at 2:13 pm Link to this comment
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In response to comment #39267,g7enn,
Thanks for the time line of the relevant 9-11 events.Something in me just doesn’t want to beleive that these people would broker something so devastating to the economy and to the nation. BUT when all the facts/the dots, are lined up,it looks like they were in on it.It’s clear from Con-di Rice’s lying testimony to the 9-11 Commission,about the title of the PDB,‘Bin Laden determined to Attack Inside the US’{possibly using hijacked planes}  Everything since then{Sept.11th,‘01} follows.The war in Iraq for profit,that had Nothing to do with 9-11.The aiding and abetting of the Bin Laden family,to safe nuetral territory on days when No US nationals were allowed to fly{including my bro-in-law who is a pilot for Continental and had to take a bus home to the Mid-west from Boston! because he couldn’t fly}. The little known nor ever mentioned fact that the Bush family owns 2.5% of the territory that is Paraguay in the middle of So.America,or,266,000 acres of land. Now why would a prominent Oligarchy buy so MUCH land in So.America unless they were planning the Great Escape. Why would anyone have that much land in another country unless they were planning to Live There?!? And why would a patriot, a president of the USA plan to live the rest of their days in another ocuntry??? Unless perhaps they feared reprisal from the people of the country they had stolen their wealth from.
The Nazi’s did it exactly like that.They left for the lawless wilds of undeveloped So.America to live out their days in the manner to which they had become accostumed. 
‘Put that in your pipe and smoke it’!!,as they used to say in my country.

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By Jean Tracy, November 23, 2006 at 8:17 am Link to this comment
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Kucinich had it right from the beginning, while other leaders got it wrong.

Rumsfeld believed the war would be over in no more than a few months.  And he is supposed to be the expert.

Our leaders must wake up to reality.  We’re not going to win the Iraq war—whatever winning means.  Let’s get out now.  Cut the funding of the war.  Admit it was stupid to have attacked Iraq, when they were not responsible for 9/11.

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By J.K. Frazier, November 23, 2006 at 5:43 am Link to this comment
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Does Frank (comment # 39324) have any ideas or opinions not spoon-fed to him by Rush Limbaugh & his ilk?

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By Dave in Portland, November 22, 2006 at 11:53 pm Link to this comment
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I just want to repeat some of what Mr. K has just said here, as it is RIGHT on: “If we truly care about our troops, we’ll get them out. It’s the phoniest argument to say that a cut-off of funds will leave troops stranded in the field. There’s always money in the pipeline to pay for an orderly withdrawal. But those who favor continuing the war or escalating the war are using the troops as a tool to further policies that are against the interests of the troops, against the interests of [the] American people, and against the interests of peace in the world.”  Yep! This is correct. Lets’ SHOUT this back at the warmongers! The Bushian warmongers are raping our treasury, while bringing extremists to power in countries around the world which used to be moderate.

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By frank, November 22, 2006 at 3:25 pm Link to this comment
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has nancy the dominatrix got comrade kucinich marching in formation?

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By g7enn, November 22, 2006 at 10:26 am Link to this comment
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Can’t believe Bush would betray America to Osama?

Why did President Bush’s government, soon after the 2000 election, order U.S. intelligence agencies to back off investigating the bin Laden family, when Osama bin Laden was already wanted for the embassy bombings?

If Bush wasn’t in some manner compromised, in regards to bin Laden, how could he say on 3/13/02, “I truly am not that concerned about him,” and military Chief Myers stated, “the goal has never been to get bin Laden.”

Weren’t we told bin Laden and his band of terrorists committed the 9/11 atrocities?  If bin Laden is not that important, who is?  What’s going on here?

Could President Bush’s lack of concern have to do with present and past financial ties to the bin Ladens; after all, one of the bin Laden brothers bailed President Bush’s cash strapped oil companies out of trouble several years ago?  If not, then why did Bush fund the Taliban, who’ve sheltered bin Laden, to the tune of $43M in May of 2001, allegedly for eliminating the opium crop?  One wonders what the money was really for because the next year and afterwards bumper opium crops were reaped so it obviously wasn’t used to eliminate opium? 
In May 2001, the Bush government issued Visa Express allowing any Saudi Arabian to get a passport without appearing in person at the consulate.  Considering the fact 15 of the 19 terrorists were from Saudi Arabia, this looks as if the Bush government was aiding the terrorists entrance into the U.S.?

What’s even more troublesome is that both the $43M given to the Taliban by Bush and the visas approved by Bush were issued in May 2001, about four months before the 9/11 tragedy.  Dare I think this could have been used to aid bin Laden and the terrorists?

What about the private flight out of the U.S. on September 13, 2001 by the Saudis, including the bin Laden family that the president authorized before other private flights had been so authorized?  They should have been detained and questioned, but instead, they got preferential treatment.  Why did the president give preferential treatment to the family of the man who purportedly led the terrorist organization that destroyed the WTC on 9/11?

Why would the President’s close associate, James Baker III, defend the Saudis against the 9/11 victims lawsuit?

“He watched the September 11 attacks at the Ritz-Carlton with the Bin Laden family.  He’s defending the Saudi’s against a trillion-dollar lawsuit brought forth by the September 11 families.  He led the campaigns of the last four Republican presidents.  Now he’s been chosen as Bush’s personal envoy in charge of restructuring Iraq’s $132 billion in debt.  Some say he’s the most powerful lawyer in the world.  He may be one of the busiest.  Who is he?
He’s the Senior Counsel for The Carlyle Group, a company that invests pension funds in defense and telecommunications companies around the world.  The Carlyle Group is the nation’s 10th largest defense contractor, with extensive ties to Enron, Global Crossing, Arthur Andersen, the Saudi Royal Family, and the Bin Ladens.”

And what about this article:

“Not only that, but many of the bin Laden family are big-time businessmen in the U.S, and have very close ties to top-level U.S. politicians (including the Bush family). In addition, the bin Laden family runs the largest construction company in the Middle East, of which company the U.S. government uses to construct all of its Middle East military bases, even to rebuild the ones that Osama is said to have blown up.”

Connecting the dots…

http://911review.org/Wiki/TwinTowers.shtml
http://www.wanttoknow.info/9-11timeline60pg
http://www.geocities.com/vonchloride/
http://www.hereinreality.com/baker.html
http://www.cam.net.uk/home/aaa315/peace/opium.htm
http://www.organicconsumers.org/corp/disgrace011805.cfm

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By Sylvia Barksdale Morovitz, November 22, 2006 at 9:40 am Link to this comment
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There’s only one way out of this quagmire with Iraq and that is to get out, lock, stock and barrel.

Who the hell is GW Bush that he can’t sit down with the leaders of Iran and Syria and attempt to get at some sense?  He is far from God but one would never know it by his actions.

Murtha is right and Kunich is right.  More money poured onto the flames just means a bigger fire amd more deaths for our troops and innocent Iraqis.

What has force proved for GW thus far?  Only more of the same for the future, only worse because surrounging countries are becoming sicker and sicker of his tactics.

Impeachment proceedings must begin so that he will know Americans mean business and that we consider him to be of the lesser Gods!

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By rabblerowzer, November 22, 2006 at 9:01 am Link to this comment
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Profitable little foreign wars, shared sacrifice and greenback patriots.


Greenback patriots promote and start wars, our troops and their families exclusively bear the burden of sacrifice, and the perpetual money making machine called the Military Industrial Complex is busy inventing new enemies.

The profits go to plutocrats, corporations, investors and to a much lesser degree employees. Our troops sacrifice their lives, limbs and sanity to the horror of war and the perpetual money making machine called the Military Industrial Complex is busy inventing new enemies.

The “Decider,” never once considering the concept of shared sacrifice rewards Greenback patriots with more tax cuts, and the perpetual money making machine called the Military Industrial Complex is busy inventing new enemies.

Where will it all end?

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By Gloria, November 22, 2006 at 8:24 am Link to this comment
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Cutting off funding for the illegal invasion that has nothing to do with 9/11 works for me. So does going green. And let’s keep more of the funds for ourselves. http://www.henrygeorge.org Aaron Russo is a great guy but we have to pay some taxes (but not income taxes nor personal property taxes nor sales taxes) to keep the infastructure going. Hmm, I really, really love Aaron but someone please tell him to read about Henry George.

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By Amigo, November 21, 2006 at 10:37 am Link to this comment
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Listen up everybody! We have all vented our feelings repeatedly over the past few years (and especially,in the last two weeks)
Now is the time to take action in order to make sure, the past six years is NOT repeated!
Let us all keep sending E-mails to our Dem Senators and Congress men/women to:
1] Start HEARINGS / INVESTIGATIONS on the war
2] Push for PAPER RECEIPTS on all votes cast in ALL elections in ALL FIFTY STATES.
That should be a good starting point! 
Any thaughts ?

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By Jackie T. Gabel, November 20, 2006 at 2:00 pm Link to this comment
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Investigate, indict, prosecute and execute! Show no quarter. At the first weakness, they will set upon you with daggers drawn.

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By Amigo, November 20, 2006 at 11:11 am Link to this comment
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Comment #38763 by Davy de Verteuil is typical of the warped and deceptive republican ‘spin’ ( or bullshit ) we have had to put up with these past six years; you say, you still supported the Reps “because the idea is to rid ourselves of the mischievous lobby that does the devil bidding - - -” Yeah, that is right, we saw a lot of that happen in the last six years by this spineless ‘rubber-stamp’ Rep majority ! Are you out of your mind ??
And about ‘The Dems are great at splitting opinion - - -” that is called voicing different opinions, and is one of the most basic tenets of “democracy”;  something which you and your Rep CRONIES, ofcourse won’t understand.
This president,his administration and the absolutely useless Rep majority in congress have the BLOOD of thousands ( if not millions soon, the way things are going ) of soldiers and civilians,  ON THEIR HANDS, not to mention the destruction of an entire country.
Be assured that GOD’S WRATH will be upon ALL of them very soon.

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By More WARM BODIES!, November 20, 2006 at 8:40 am Link to this comment
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They are calling for More WARM BODIES!

Send in the K Street Lobby Boys & Girls employees that are profiting from the soldiers Blood!

Send in the ALL Pentagon Workers including the lazy 10:00 am to 2:00 pm individuals

Send in ALL White House employees

Send in ALL Republican Senate and House Members that support this WAR of Incompetence LEADING to NOWHERE other than to B A N K R U P T the USA!

That should equal a couple hundred thousand nice Warm Bodies READY to be Blown to bits in the IED Ritz Carlton Iraq.

NOW there is a PLAN!

Red Voters and Red Congress and White House “elected this war and continue to elect same”

let the RED Team PLAY IN THE SANDBOX!

Sincerely,
Concerned Mother

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By KG, November 20, 2006 at 6:06 am Link to this comment
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We need to cut off all funding for the war and put significant portions of the money saved into bringing the troops back home plus money for the needed criminal investigations and prosecutions of Bush, Cheney, Gonzalez, Condi Rice, Rumsfeld, Bill Frist and Repub (and Democrat) friends (George Tenet, that means you). They should all be denied bail and housed in Guatanamo Bay pending their trials.  Their children and grandchildren should be sent to Iraq and Afganistan to clean up the many messes.

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By A Khokar, November 20, 2006 at 3:03 am Link to this comment
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Is it exit or a move; to go, strike next targets?

It was a mid term election in United States; Democrats won and replaced conservative governing bodies in both the houses. Conservatives lost their rein of government owing to the the policy they pursued so frantically in Iraq. But what difference does it make for the Iraqis on the ground?
Will there be any respite in the relentless killing of innocent Iraqis? Or there will be any change in the level of anarchy, chaos and mayhem in Iraq? Answer may be said as –NO.
Or …
Should we believe that this new batch of democrat elites belong to some angelic credo; sent by God, as a reprisal; for all the atrocities committed under Conservative regime; or to take revenge and secure a redress of a grievance of Iraqis?

Matter of fact is; no one is bothered about the welfare of Iraqis. US want to get out of Iraq under their own compulsions; they can’t stand the mess; that they have created there. They are looking for some semblance; to possibly, avail US a ‘face saving retreat’.

But there is some achievement also. It may be mayhem for Iraqis (out side the declared green zone). But inside the green zone; a fully self contained, self propelled, safe haven is now almost complete. It is a base; bigger than a Vatican state; fully secured and operative. A well sought foot hold in Iraq; weak may be but its anchorage has successfully been secured. Will Democrats be willing to abandon this base also? Probably they may not be doing so.
Policy of ‘Fallacy and Deception’ initiated by Neocons to conduct the ‘Global war on terror’ will certainly remain in place. The Prevalent mayhem in Iraq can be used as a convenient cover and a leeway to start trickling out and redeploy in Afghanistan; while keeping a good griping forces behind; to safe guard the American interests.

Retreat to Afghanistan may be a better option. Afghanistan is a war torn, mountainous, rugged and barren land. It is safe haven for all the fugitives. US will certainly avail this. US are already having a presence of sufficient harbouring forces there. It can also serve as best training ground; out side USA; for US armed forces; offering them the real conditions, for a realistic, on ground training; for their future battles. New horizons are opening up?
Above moves may keep Iran on its toes and upset lot many other countries in the area; like Pakistan and other neighbouring states. We may expect many more storms in the making in the near future; where waters are found already troubled.
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A couplet: (translation) on Iraq: (Habib Jalib)
The remorseless killers; they don’t change. Only they change their faces and flags.
What a journey; my traversed span and mile stones also travel with me!
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Love for all, Hatred for none

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By Morgaine, November 19, 2006 at 6:55 pm Link to this comment
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Just a note to those of you who think this is a new idea - Dennis Kucinich has been against the war from day 1. He opposed it before it happened, and he has been trying to end it since it started. He isn’t a new comer to this cause. He has been leading it. I supported him in the primaries and I would love to again. I hope he runs. Maybe people will listen this time. He’s the candidate I always dreamed of voting for - a populist who actually knows what it’s like to be poor.

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By Davy de Verteuil, November 18, 2006 at 6:05 pm Link to this comment
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I’ve always said a good Democrat (like Bill Clinton)is a pliant Republican- they tow the line otherwise they’ll get sex supenored. American politics are so corrupt none dares take a stand. The Dems are great at splitting opinion and for this reason I supported the savage and brutal also corrupt Reps – because the idea is to rid ourselves of the mischievous lobby that does the devil bidding even as they murder at will the victims we call terrorist in pursuit of stealing their land their human dignity and their lives. History will judge us!

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By J.K. Frazier, November 18, 2006 at 6:03 pm Link to this comment
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McCain says more troops if we want to “win.”  What does “win” mean??  We invaded Iraq on false pretences, making a bad situation (the existence of terrorism) worse by metastacizing hatred toward the U.S.  We are now stuck with fixing the damage wreaked by Bush’s colossal arrogance, ignorance and incompetence.  We cannot just turn back the clock, and mending the errors will not be easy. 
Other than how we got there, Iraq is this generation’s Vietnam: a quagmire in the desert.  The sooner our soldiers are home the better.  Our fine young men and women should not be sacrificed for such an episode of ill-advised foreign policy driven by mega oil corporation imperialism that was clearly based on false assumptions and false information from the start.  Bring the troops home asap.

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By John Doraemi, November 18, 2006 at 3:45 pm Link to this comment
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“KUCINICH: The Democrats made their choice, and we’re united behind Nancy Pelosi, Steny Hoyer and our entire leadership team”


Well, then you’re sold out like Conyers.  Impeachment is off the table.  America plummets into fascism.

Thanks for nothing, Dennis. 

http://crimesofthestate.blogspot.com/

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By Morgaine, November 18, 2006 at 3:36 pm Link to this comment
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Bush has no intention of ever leaving Iraq, so Dennis is right - cut the funding. That’s the only way we’ll get those soldiers out of there, and that has to be the priority. Iraq as a unit was and is a myth. It’s going to turn into little tribal territories because that’s what they want. Where do we get the gall to say that our ideas are better? Let them work it out for themselves.

If this new Congress has any stones at all, the first thing they’ll do is cancel all of Halliburton’s contracts and prevent them from ever bidding again. The laws are already in place in the Federal Acquisition Regulations - all that needs to be done is to enforce those guidelines, and Halliburton is toast. The war will be less appealing when the war profiteers stop making money from it.

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By CK, November 18, 2006 at 2:07 pm Link to this comment
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Irish, the majority of those killed in Iraq were killed by other Iraqis, and if they can’t live peaceably among themselves without someone else constantly keeping them under the boot, then you can hardly blame Bush or the US for their continuing ethnic bloodbath.

Sooner or later, the world needs to realize that Iraqis are responsible for the actions of their own people.  The US invasion was a colosal mistake, primarily because the west belived the Iraqis capable of living as a civilized people among a diverse population.

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By Kavika LoveAll, November 18, 2006 at 1:22 pm Link to this comment
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This Crime against Iraq (and the Middle East) by this fux news president and his rogue/fear-mongering party has yet to produce the justice We The People are patiently waiting for. With that said, let’s not take our eye off the larger scheme being played out by this dark cabal of regimes/monarchies worldwide whose ultimate goal is to hoard all the monopoly money for their greedy selves with the insane intent on enslaving the whole of humanity. This plan of theirs has been percolating for the good part of 13.000 years! This situation we find ourselves in has been compared to the greatest chess game over played in this location of the universe. We are witnessing the moments just before ‘checkmate.’ The people of this world must begin jarring itself from the collective ‘amnesia’ we’ve all been under NOT since the fall from grace (that these fundies would like us to believe!) but the fall of Atlantis; the Winter Solstice of the year 2012 (that’s in 6 years!) will mark the 13,000 year anniversary of Atlantis’ descent beneath the waves. Today, we are revisiting the lessons not realized, reversing mistakes that have been made by our ancestors, so that we can learn from them collectively, create new ‘highly evolved’ choices and unveil a world finally at Peace. We must all do our part to hold fast to a vision of Peace eventhough it might feel next to impossible! Stretch your imagination and dare to dream of a world where every problem has a solution. Trust that a Divine Justice is about to present itself to the people of this World; We have been given numerous signs to interpret ‘intuitively’ just what is around the corner. Pay attention People of Mother Earth! The real show is about to begin for all of us! All forces of the dark must begin to merge and to end this illusionary game of polarization and separation. We’ve already been there and done that; we’re overdue in bringing our ‘Life Path’ to next ascending level. Those who resist will be ‘re-located’ to another limitedly conscious realm to continue their terror wars into eternity if they like. For the rest of us, becoming fully conscious participants within our Solar System (& Physicality) is not only our destiny but a reality manifesting right before our very senses! Stop killing the messenger and ‘intuit’ the messages and signs being given now. If a particular message does not resonate with you, let it go, move on and keep searching. Remember the path of least resistance is the higher road. We’re all coming out of a ‘Great Amnesia’ that has lasted the good part of thirteen millenniums! What we are all accomplishing now (in conjunction with all forces of Creation, in this lifetime, is no small endeavor. Jesse Jackson said something eerily revealing and prophetic during the end of the 2000 elections; “...Keep Hope Alive!”

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By rabblerowzer, November 18, 2006 at 11:45 am Link to this comment
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The Long Con

The Rabid Right is so cunning. They lied us into an unwinnable war we shouldn’t have started in the first place, and now say we can’t settle for anything less than victory, no matter how much it costs or how long it takes. The kicker is, they’re going to blame Democrats for losing the unwinnable war.

Republicans don’t have any skin in the game, don’t care how much it costs or how long it takes because they and their corporate friends are making a killing. Never before has so much money been stolen by so few and they’re in it for the long con.

A majority of Americans are so in deep denial about so many things, it boggles the mind to consider the multitude of counter intuitive beliefs they have swallowed to salve their conscience. But we have millions of sociopaths ready willing and able to provide the salve.

Any sociologist or psychologist can explain the mechanics of brainwashing and mass mind control used by the Nazis, but very few have had the courage to point out that the same techniques employed by Nazis are standard operating procedure here, used by our own homegrown fascists. Our mass media is the propaganda arm of the Rabid Right.

We claim to be a Christian nation but our actions belie our words. We don’t have Universal Health Care, and the Rabid Right has shredded the social safety net established by Democrats for the most vulnerable of our citizens. Bribed politicians pass unjust laws that enable the rich and powerful to prey on us. Plutocrats and corporations wield economic and political power like a sword to oppress the middleclass and poor here, and all over the world. When that fails, they use the sword to subdue their enemies abroad. Who doubts they will wield the sword here if they feel threatened?

At some level, we all know these things are true, and we lay awake at night worrying. But when morning comes we repress these incredibly painful thoughts and go to work. We can’t face these truths in the light of day because it would make a sham of everything we believe about ourselves and our country.

None of want to admit we live in a Police State.

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By Garry Minor, November 18, 2006 at 11:17 am Link to this comment
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Whats all the fuss about? The truth of kaneh bosm will feed, fuel, shelter, medicate, bring pleasure, and true spirituality. KANEH BOSM

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By Berhanu wa Afrika, November 18, 2006 at 8:04 am Link to this comment
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When will the American people finally wake up from their self-induced illusion that there is some real differences between the Republican and Democratic parties. The bitter truth of the matter is that barbaric and illegal invasion of Iraq will continue even though the U S Congress is now under a so-called Democratic Party majority. So, no matter what some purportedly liberal politician say about his/her party’s intentions on ending the war, the carnage in Iraq will continue until the masses of the American people demand that the war must stop.

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By Willard D. Gray, November 17, 2006 at 9:42 pm Link to this comment
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As one who spent over 20 years in this nations active military service ending in 1964 it is sad to see the rationalization of what should be done at this moment in Iraq and the Mid East.

To place our nation’s future actions regarding Iraq in the belly of the epitome that sanctioned and developed this illegal invasion is the height of stupidity.

Most all the war planners to include the generals are sycophatic and looking to get their ticket punched.  They can’t attain that goal with a peace time military.

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By makesenseofit, November 17, 2006 at 9:35 pm Link to this comment
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Is the Bush government working for you or against you? Does the Bush government really care what you think ? Are they concerned about your constitutional rights ? Are they concerned about affordable health care for you ? Are they concerned about the poor and destitude? Do they care if they are breaking laws? Do they think the laws they are breaking apply to them? Have they made the rich richer and the poor poorer? Are they concerned about your social security? Do they care about your health cost? Do they care if you cannot retire after 35 years of employment?
concerned citizen

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By Irish, November 17, 2006 at 9:32 pm Link to this comment
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Boggs - you said it and every American should read it.  Bush has killed more Iraqi’s than Saddam did.  Bush should get the noose and Cheney too.  I can’t bear to even look at either one of them.  I weep for Cindy Sheehan and all the other parents whose children have been killed or maimed.  The 700,000 Iraqi’s that have been killed need JUSTICE and I pray they get it. Bush should be charged as a War Criminal because he is one - the lying SOB.

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By PJ, November 17, 2006 at 9:20 pm Link to this comment
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Members of Congress fear Bush…and can’t fall on their swords either? 

Oh no, they are the ones who are ADDICTED, not to oil but hooked on power and greed.

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By DennisD, November 17, 2006 at 8:13 pm Link to this comment
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Today - Bush asked for “patience” for the war in Iraq. He left out there’s more money to be made before our inevitable departure. Our fighting men and women will never come back the same, those that do come back at all. Never mind the billions upon billions pissed down a rat hole in the sand. Having seen Vietnam from the inside out I’m constantly amazed at what we the people allow to pass for leadership in this country. Nothing but cartoon characters and empty suits and skirts. Bush was in Vietnam today, had he been there 35 years ago we wouldn’t be reliving it again.

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By thequietobservers, November 17, 2006 at 7:30 pm Link to this comment
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The mindset of so many Europeans is a devastating thing for most of the worlds inhabitants.  The silly notions that AlQueada did 9/11, they hate you for your freedoms, that America and Europe have not been inflitrated by powerful zionistic tentacles throughout the last 100 years and European politics have not grown out of its former colonial tendencies does not fool the worlds populations.  Most of the aforementioned facts are part of the gentic makeup of most Europeans and the rest of mankind knows it.  This time around, nations will not forget and will move to protect themselves from the death wish europeans (including false jews) have designed.  Whilst the right hand offers the olive the left hand rapes.  The American Indian nation left us with this knowledge and the last six years have rammed this fact down the throats of those that would be scrificed for the living standards of the rich and powerful.  Pursuing the current course of action will bankrupt the west and most wait and wince in pain whilst this process goes on.  For all those that wish for peace for the rest of the world, I hope there will be mechanisms that enable you all to get out of the beast and live in harmony with the rest of the world.  However, many good westerners will suffer a horrible future for the sakes of their pyschologically deranged kinsmen.

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By Robert, November 17, 2006 at 6:57 pm Link to this comment
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THE WMD’S LIES IN IRAQ… HAVE VANISHED FROM OUR HEADLINE NEWS & OUR NEWS PAPERS HEADLINES. WE KEEP GETTING NEW PROPAGANDA IDEAS…DEMOCRACY IN IRAQ & THE REGION, WAR ON TERROR, FIGHT THEM OVER THERE INSTEAD OF OVER HEAR…AND SO ON.

IT IS ALL DAMN LIES! THIS IRAQ WAR IS COSTING OUR AMERICA DEARLY. IT COSTS THE AMERICAN TAXPAYERS $8-10 BILLION PER MONTH. IT HAS COST US OVER $ 400 BILLION DOLLARS SO FAR AND NO CLOSE END IN SITE.

LOOK AT THE AMERICAN CASUALTIES. ALMOST 3000 MILITARY DEATHS AND OVER 22,000 INJURED.

LOOK AT THE IRAQI CIVILIAN CASUALTIES. 300,000-500,000 DEATHS. LOOK AT ALL THE DESTRUCTION, CHAOS, INSTABILITY IN THE REGION, CIVIL WAR AND ON AND ON…

BUSH, CHENEY , RUMSFELD, PAUL WOLFOWITZ, DOUGLAS FEITH, RICHARD PERLE, WILLIAM KRISTOL, ADELMAN & THE REST OF THE ZIONIST GANG IN THE PENTAGON; THEY REALLY DON’T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT THE LOSSES. ALL THEY CARE ABOUT IS SAVING THEIR LEGACIES & PLACING THEIR NAMES IN THE ANNALS OF HISTORY.

THE AMERICAN PEOPLE MUST HOLD OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS TO THE SAME ACCOUNTABILITIES THAT WE ARE BEING HELD TO. THERE SHOULD BE HONESTY, TRUTH, WISDOM IN DIPLOMACY IN OUR GOVERNMENT. AMERICA HAS LOST ITS GOLDEN INTEGRITY IN THE WORLD BECAUSE OF THE ABOVE GANG.

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By Kim, November 17, 2006 at 6:24 pm Link to this comment
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The real thing no one is talking about is the contractors.  I think we should get all the foreign contractors out and give those jobs to Iraqis.  They can’t be much more corrupt than KBR-Halliburton, and if they’re working maybe they’ll have less time to blow eachother up.  Also being able to afford to take care of their families might make them less angry.

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By yours truly, November 17, 2006 at 5:28 pm Link to this comment
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re:  Comment #38538 by John

John’s worst fear is that his daughter could get incinerated by a dirty nuclear bomb, planted by terrorists from places in the world where the natives supposedly hate us.  Why do they hate us?  John tells us it’s because they covet our freedom.  Puzzling this, since right now the Iraqi people are making it abundantly clear that they want nothing to do with democracy, American style. 
And as for peace songs such as “Give Peace A Chance,  John says that the lyrics are OK but it’s just wishful thinking because the real world isn’t like that.  Wishful thinking only if one does nothing to bring it about.  Reality the instant one sees to it.

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By jimbobuddy, November 17, 2006 at 3:34 pm Link to this comment
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To John 8:50 am.
  Your full of it ,of course.Simplistic , jingoistic, militaristic claptrap. To quote a variation on a theme, CONFLATION is the ultimate refuge of scoundrels. That’s it John, just throw every problem this country faces in foreign affairs together ,and say ‘they all hate us.’ Then your tiny brain reaches for the answer to the question WHY ,and the answer is conveniently supplied - predigested so that there’s absolutely NO THINKING REQUIRED!! - by unitary theorist, neocons : ” They Hate Our Freedom “. A meaningless, bumbersticker mentality, specifically designed to appeal to those who have better things to do than to actually THINK the logic of the situation through.
    Actually, we liberals KNOW why ‘they’ dont like us. They dont like us , because of our actions - our foreign policy. That doesnt automatically mean we’re wrong as a country. But before you can INTELLIGENTLY discuss, or argue about policy , one must have the courage to crawl out from under the protective cover that your naiive, mythologic, racist, comfort blanket affords you. The world is a scary, complex place. Take your widdle thumb out of your mouth and join the adults. Otherwise take your wingbat, GOP supplied talking point mentality over to Little Green Footballs.  PS,..they have children’s rides there!!

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By Bert, November 17, 2006 at 2:56 pm Link to this comment
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Kuchinich should go for green tech AS WELL AS calling for and end to the war. If there were no oil there, there’d be no war, in my view. Since there is oil, and there is a war, let’s go ‘green’ but go BIG with it. Where there’s a will, there’s a way, and Exxon and company can either lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way on that one. Energy independence will take some hard science, but that’s never stopped our country yet. Only thing we have to fear is corruption itself…

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By ananymous, November 17, 2006 at 1:51 pm Link to this comment
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The exercise of power creates an escalating resistance by those on the receiving end of it who feel oppressed under it.To increase that military display and exercise of power will only serve to increase the resistance to it,and thereby the violence will increase and it will not be confined to the Mideast{understand we Are one world,check out the internet,and all information technologies}.Security occurs on a more immediate level,through the instraments of healthcare and right livelyhood,and an energy policy that considers the well being of our life support systems,through offering sustainability where our planet is concerned.The fight to steal the last oil reserves that lie under the sands in the ancient basins of the Mideast,that are governed by the Islamic inhabitants of these countries,is not sustainable,either in manpower or treasure{see the US debt in the trillions}regardless of whether that manpower is mercenary contractors or US soldiers.
  Our well being and the way to cultivate fearlessness within a society is through engagement and taking responsibility.Spectatorship engenders the politics of fear,engagement is the way to aleviate the politics of fear.The ability to create viable solutions depends on that survival strategy: independent thought.
Utlimate political power resides in the free minds of the people which acts to eliminate any gov’t restrictions on that fundamental right.That is why the bush regime has so adamantly strove to invent a unitary executive,to levy all fear all the time.They didn’t understand that eventually the human mind is capable of other responses, through engagement and self awareness.
  ‘A hiearchical society is only possible based on ignorance and poverty.Its wars are waged by the ruling elite against its subjects anywhere in the world.And it is not waged for victory,it is waged to keep the hierachical structure of society intact.’—paraphrasing g.orwell
  Wars are waged for profit by the Elite-corporations for their own benefit.They are atrocity generators and they destroy and damage our collective environment,our life support system.In such a culturally diverse world,where we are literally interdependent,and where the US is literally OUT of OIL to sustain its’ demand.The obvious and intelligent survival strategy at this time is to employ the ‘science of human relations,diplomacy’—d.kucinech.
We are only under threats of our own{bush}regime’s making.We are only limited by the fear that entraps us.

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By anonymous, November 17, 2006 at 12:59 pm Link to this comment
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Trouble with saying “people hate us for what we represent (freedom)” is that we no longer stand for freedom. You, a US citizen, can be thrown in jail without any charges placed against you. You may or may not go to trial, and then if you do, you can’t even see the evidence held against you. We live in the richest country on earth, but 1 out of every 10 people goes hungry. If I want to hold a sign and criticize the president, I have to do it in a “free speech zone”. Freedom my ass- wake up and stop being scared. Everyone dies some day- why destroy what our nation is supposed to stand for in hopes of staving off the inevitible?

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By Walt Purvis, November 17, 2006 at 12:44 pm Link to this comment
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Dear John:
    I appreciate your thinking, however, no one in Iraq attacked us. Most of the people that attacked us were from Saudis Arabia. Please face the fact that we were lied to by this administration. Iraq neither attacked us, or even had the ability to threaten us. This war was made so corporations could make money and steal the natural resources of the country.

I agree with Rep. Kucinich except I would add one other point. I would like to see the Congress pass a law making war profiteering against the law. Watch how fast the contractors leave the area. Once they are out then the money can be cut off and the military can come home. We also need to help the Iraqi people rebuild.
There people will be able to rebuild using the equipment our contractors leave behind once there is no profit to the war.  With a large number of people put back to work it might even have and effect on the civil unrest.
This war is a racket.

The money being poured into the pockets of these corporations can then be used to put into effect the 9-11 reccommendations and secure our ports and border. Plus we can again target the real enemy and finish what we started in Afghanistan.

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By Vic Anderson, November 17, 2006 at 12:18 pm Link to this comment
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Kucinich/Dean in ‘08.

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By Sleeper, November 17, 2006 at 12:13 pm Link to this comment
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I think the real war is between those who would defend the Constitution and those who profit from an endless war.  The ones preaching War institute policy that shredds our Constitution.  This quote is unfortunately the mindset of most of our politicians at least they know there is more money to be made progressing this view rather then doing what they swore to do:

Let me give you an example of what has been happening behind the scenes in our nation’s capitol. On October 3, 2002, in a public, recorded debate on the floor of the U.S. House of Representatives, Congressman Ron Paul of Texas reminded Congressman Henry Hyde of Illinois, the Chairman of the House Committee on International Relations, that the Constitution requires a Declaration of War before the armed forces of the United States can be deployed in hostilities overseas. In response to Congressman Ron Paul, Congressman Hyde then had this to say about our Constitution and Bill of Rights:

And I quote:……”: There are things in the Constitution that have been overtaken by events, by time. There are things that are no longer relevant to a modern society—things that are inappropriate, anachronistic”…end quote.

To those who love our country, who honor and cherish the ideals and principles upon which our great nation was established, we must ask ourselves—-how have we come to this point where our government leaders can openly express such contempt and disrespect for our Constitution, and our God-given rights as Americans. To the millions of military veterans, law enforcement officers and other patriotic Americans who have taken an oath to support and defend our Constitution, Congressman Hyde’s comments should be viewed as nothing less than treason.

I believe the oath says something about defending The Constitution against all ENEMIES BOTH FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC.

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By Erroll, November 17, 2006 at 11:53 am Link to this comment
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Comment #38538 by John - “People like Iraq, Iran, North Korea hate us and what we represent [Freedom] and want to destroy us…” A more uninformed statement would be difficult to find. No, John, the United States is not despised because, as you put it, for its freedom. If that were the case, then why are the countries that you mention not threatening Sweden or Switzerland? Could it possibly be because of the United States’ bellicose position toward so many countries around the world? The United States government, for so long, has believed in the sword first and diplomacy a distant second. Until that changes, the United States will remain reviled insted of respected throughout much of the world.

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By ms bluedevil, November 17, 2006 at 10:45 am Link to this comment
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Bush is the devil!  Down with tyranny!
Cheney is Lucifer!  Down with Halliburton!
BushI was a chicken! Down with the CIA!
Baker is the Fixer!  Down with the CarlylGroup!
Gates is bloody!    Down with the CIA!
With people like the above in charge we are doomed.  Do you have a god?  Pray to her while you burn in hell for the sins of the fathers of this country.

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By ImpeachNow, November 17, 2006 at 10:35 am Link to this comment
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Meet the new boss, same as the old boss?

What the hell is wrong with Pelosi?  Dennis K has it right.  Not only do we have to get out, we have to hold Bushco responsible.

We did break Iraq, but ... all the King’s (Bush’s) horses and all the King’s men can’t put Iraq together again.  There are other strategies and they don’t flower at the business end of a gun.  This war was lost, it cannot be won. 

It’s time every one of us realizes this.  More troops?  Insanity.  Where did I read this…

“Only a fool keeps doing the same thing over and over, hoping for a different result.”

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By jkoch, November 17, 2006 at 10:11 am Link to this comment
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The Baker-Hamilton ISG will recommend a “phased progress” approach, which is a new coat of paint on the same dilapidated “stay the course” and “benchmarks” approach.  It will make some oblique reference to troop reductions, subject to the “phased progress,” so that Dems can sign on and claim they wanted real change.  By 2008, the situation on the ground will not improve one iota, but Dems contending in the primaries will all be obliged to defend the flag and not “abandon” the troops—evem though keeping them there on a bloody fool’s errand is precisely a cruel form of abandonment.  Hillary and McCain will battle to be the most hawkish.  None will dare call the bluff on all the vast Islamic conquest that that would supposedly follow a US retreat, all the way to Peoria.  None will dare appear soft.  The only game is fear, fear, fear.

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By John, November 17, 2006 at 9:50 am Link to this comment
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I read this comment…...They died that there be no war no more, nowhere, never, not even one…..and almost starting singing…..“Somewhere over the rainbow”....you need to wake up and smell the coffee instead of living in the LSD induced 60’s.  I don’t think the USA is perfect by any means but I also believe that one day sooner rather than later a terrorist WILL set off a bomb or nuclear dirty bomb in one of our major cities killing hundreds of thousands and doing great enviromental damage for years to come.  Its the worst fear I have for my daughter as she enters her adult years.  Your “Give Peace a Chance” mentality is great as far as song lyrics go but in the real world people like those in Iraq, Iran, North Korea hate us and what we represent (Freedom) and want to destroy us and when they do set off their terriotist cells in our cities I see you flaming Liberals huddling together and hugging and crying and whinning in unison, “why don’t they like us?  Why are they doing this? All we are asking is give peace a chance.  Can’t they understand that”. AND ONLY THEN AS A MARINE WITH A GUN GOES MARCHING BY YOU, ONLY THEN WILL SAY, “PLEASE HELP US, PLEASE!!!!”

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By AnnaCatherine, November 17, 2006 at 9:24 am Link to this comment
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Bush cannot allow the war in Iraq to end for any reason. It has become his presidential Teddy Bear and security blanket. Without it he has nothing and he leaves hmself open for all sorts of inquiries. But, as long as he has his war it allows him free reign as “a war time president”. He reads alot into that and he goes unchallenged. Now Daddy’s team has stepped in to ‘help him’. Not the military or the rest of us, just George. Dennis K. is right so was Murtha. George, can you say, “I’m Sorry”?
Thanks, ANNACATHERINE

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By anonymous, November 17, 2006 at 9:11 am Link to this comment
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Looks like the owners are gonna go back to buying both sides & let the Dems have a piece.

In another day or two, this will be known as “The Democrats’ War”.

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By Boggs, November 17, 2006 at 8:04 am Link to this comment
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It is my opinion that Saddam should be turned free to re-establish order in Iraq and Bush should take his place in the “noose”.
Bush has killed far more innocent Iraqi’s in a
shorter time then Saddam ever did.
Bush has been Iraqs biggest WMP.

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By Cheney/Voldemort 2008 Campaign HQ, November 17, 2006 at 6:54 am Link to this comment
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Back in the pre-historic days of the Viet-Nam War, the Congress (still remembering its duites as the branch responsible for the oversight over the Urinary Executive), cut off Tricky Dicky’s funds.

Isn’t it time to do the same to Really Tricky Dick?

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By Georgia Whitman, November 17, 2006 at 3:25 am Link to this comment
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Perhaps Dennis should check with Nancy Pelosi who told Wolf Blitzer on CNN that the Democrats would not cut off war funding as soliders were in harms way. She also said that impeachment was “off the table.” Hmmm. Is Nancy being phony?

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By Not One More!, November 17, 2006 at 1:14 am Link to this comment
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I would like to know why Kucinich dropped out of the 2004 Democratic Presidential Primary just before the convention. This prevented supporters of his anitwar platform from having a voice. That was a real disservice to the peace and justice movement.

That being said, he comes close to saying what needs to be said, I just hope that he picks the people instead of party politics next time around.

As far as the President, Impeachment proceeding should begin immediately. The farther you deviate from the truth, the harder it is to get back to it. It is not polite to ignore lies and deceit,expecially coming from the President and so many of our government officials.

There is not peace without justice, and no justice if it is based on lies.

peace
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By jon, November 16, 2006 at 11:46 pm Link to this comment
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While “If you break it, you own it” is a little cute, it is revealing of our moral obligation to not leave Iraq in chaos.

Given our avowed intent to replace the Iranian regime and our well known plans to maintain a major military presence in Iraq, there is no way the Iranians were not and will not do whatever meddling necessary to make sure we never achieve our objective there—not claiming that we could have anyway. (And I hope this congress will make those responsible for their grossly bad judgment in this matter pay to the extent possible—of course that includes a lot of people in congress, doesn’t it?)

Can you not hold hearing and make this obvious truth apparent to Bush, (or offer him a bargain in the quiet of his office which might make these absolutely necessary negotiations more attractive to him?)

Thanks for your work.

Jon Eden
StudentsForTheEarth.org

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By Jon B, November 16, 2006 at 11:19 pm Link to this comment
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To those who said “we support our troops”, you ought to rethink again. Had you shared Kucinich’s mind whioh is to protect american troops, the perished GIs would be alive today. Second, troops are supposed to go after Osama who is responsible for 9/11, not Saddam who has nothing to do with 9/11 or WMD. Third, to support our troop in Iraq is the same as supporting Bush.

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By stevebenjamins, November 16, 2006 at 10:11 pm Link to this comment
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Bush & Co’s push to start Armegeddon isn’t over; when your aim is conflagration, you keep fanning it, and they do this in all sectors of polity. We might still have to wrest this country back from them physically at some point.

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By Matt, November 16, 2006 at 9:43 pm Link to this comment
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nice echo chamber in the the comments, meanwhile, back in The World, I didn’t hear anything like this in prior to last week’s election.  Shocking!

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By yours truly, November 16, 2006 at 9:25 pm Link to this comment
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Why war?  War’s their Achille’s heel.  Better still, it’s a nut-cracker.  They’ll be on assisted respiration.  One victory for us, that’s all it’ll take, . Peace on earth?  Right now that’s a sure thing.

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By Ubu Roi PAS, November 16, 2006 at 9:24 pm Link to this comment
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America must finally choose: hegemony or survival (as Chomsky put it).

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By realist, November 16, 2006 at 9:10 pm Link to this comment
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Reply to: by yours truly

Your quote: they died that there will be no war no more, nowhere, never, not even one.

Not likely—there will always be wars somewhere on this planet.  It’s man basic nature to wage war for whatever reasons;  land, religion, etc.etc.

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By darby1936, November 16, 2006 at 8:21 pm Link to this comment
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The mainstream media have wet their pants over Pelosi backing Murtha and almost declaring the Dems dead on arrival. Now comes Bush ordering 2,000 more troops when the American people want the troops brought home.Guess which story will get the most play. They are calling it a stratigic blunder. I wonder if starting an illegal war can be qualified as a stratigic blunder?

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By Norm Ezzie, November 16, 2006 at 8:13 pm Link to this comment
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OIL-OIl-OIL! Iraq is all about OIL.Protecting that remaining oil reserve in the next 2 decades from any terrorist threat is the only thing that matters.I find it so baffling that noone from either party ever mentions OIL. How can that be?If Iraq did not have that abundant oil reserve,would we have invaded that country? Can anyone from either party tell me exactly what America’s energy policy is going to be? Where can I read a copy of it? Just whats the plan? A nation such as ours can make-up any reason for war,but do we? Only if there’s a resource we must have access to.America is not a self-sufficent,self-sustaining nation when it comes to energy,including natural gas….need I say more here.Talk all you want about peace,pull-outs or redeployment throuhgout that region-it’ll never take place,until America understands its energy issues!I challenge anyone,anywhere on the planet to dispute that known fact! Again,from Cleveland,Ohio- Norm Ezzie (website:www.storminnorm.com What Dennis won’t tell you-we will!)

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By yours truly, November 16, 2006 at 8:00 pm Link to this comment
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Dennis Kuciinich’s plan is perfect.  Our founding fathers would be delighted.  Why not?  It’s what they envisioned, isn’t it?  That when it’s a matter of war,  no ifs or buts, Congress controls the purse.  That way the king (er, president) can’t huff and puff his way into a war.  What’s more it should work just as well in stopping as in preventing a war.  Nice going, Congressman.  Great timing too.

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By Nadia, November 16, 2006 at 5:24 pm Link to this comment
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“Now, there are many plans out there.”

Dennis, you are being too humble.  You have the best plan, and we need you to get us out.  WE can all understand what “redeployment” means, and it seems someone stuck that meme in when the people were demanding the government bring the troops HOME!

We do not want the troops redeployed in preparation for an attack on Iran.  I do not trust the current crop of Democrats considering so many of them voted for the Iran Freedom Support Act.

We must remain vigilant.

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By Sharon Ash, November 16, 2006 at 5:02 pm Link to this comment
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Speaking of cutting off the funds: http://www.givemeliberty.org

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By JustaDog, November 16, 2006 at 3:54 pm Link to this comment
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Like what the hell does a liberal Democrat know about miltary affairs?

This should all be handed to the experts - the military, and taken out of the hands of politicians.

Also take out the imbedded liberal media - just pure military to do the job that needs to be done.

Otherwise you end up with all the wacko socialists that want to put American as the enemy and not the militant Muslims.

DUH - reality check?

Oh boy - moderated comments huh? Guess the truth will never appear on “Truthdig”! LOL

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By yours truly, November 16, 2006 at 3:31 pm Link to this comment
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President Bush knows that as soon as our troops come home all hell’s going to break loose because it’ll be obvious to everyone except the most rabid pro-war zealots that the Iraq war was one huge and costly mistake. What’s more The families of our brave men and women who were killed in Iraq will be outraged that their loved ones may have died in vain.  But they didn’t.  They died that there be no war no more, nowhere, never, not even one.

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By Doug Tarnopol, November 16, 2006 at 1:57 pm Link to this comment
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Absolutely spot on, Dennis.

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By erroll stanley garner, November 16, 2006 at 1:54 pm Link to this comment
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Kucinich represents those of us who outgrew war in the 60’s and 70’s. We are the future, if there is to be one. The resurgence of the lizard brained driven human laggards, the 80’s drive to repress that progress through the tyranny of the market and appealing to ids and false conciousness must be recognized as the enemy of our species.
We must imprison all that campaigned for all the business based wars since Ronnie Reagan ushered in the War Crimes era of American Shame.

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By One For Dissent, November 16, 2006 at 1:50 pm Link to this comment
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Well, at least one member of Congress understands that we’ve outstayed our welcome and that more troops means more violence.

The bigger our presence in Iraq, the bigger the resistance. Thank God I’m not an Iraqi 25-year-old, I’d probably be dead fighting the hegemonic, zenophobic, Empire.

I think members of Congress are afraid of Bush—that if they push for impeachment, they’ll end up dead in a small planecrash or with anthrax in their mailbox.

I’m sick of this tyrany. Bush is the devil. Down with the Federal Reserve!

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