You’re in the military ?  Seriously.  I have no way to verify this of course but if so,  I want to hear your side of the story.  Seriously.  I place more weight on your opinion if you’ve been there.

I was kidding when I said I did all my research on those two sites.  They’re OK but you have check their sources (they usually have links) and try to make up your own mind.  I read some of the conservate sites too.  With RSS, I have feeds set up for 33 sites right now.  I use the NewsFox FireFox plugin which makes things a lot easier.

Try these sites for starters:
http://www.veteransforamerica.org/
http://www.iava.org/index.php
http://www.defensetech.org
http://www.fas.org/blog/ssp/
http://www.ivaw.org

You’re very quick to defend the defense contractors and you parrot the Rove talking points well.  I also know that there is currently a concerted effort to smear the “left-wing” blogs by the neocons.

Let’s talk about conspiracy theories;  or should I say conspiracy fantasies.

1.  Saddam had WMDs
2.  Saddam had links with al-Qaeada

We invaded Iraq based on those two conspiracy fantasies.

All of the major defense contractors are making record profits at the expense of our troops.  There is a well spring of information to support this; should you choose not to ignore it.  I don’t have to prove anything to you.  I will do whatever I can to let people know and there’s not a damn thing you can do about it.  I appreciate and excercise my First Ammendment rights every chance I get.  People like you want to supress open debate and the free flow of information which is very un-American in my opinion.

Have you even seen Iraq For Sale or any of Robert Greenwald’s movies ?

Ken,

  You got that right you are a waste of my time.
  I’m in the military that’s why I was in Iraq.  You don’t have to take my word for it ask any real soldier that comes back from Iraq.

I went to HuffoPo.  Right at the top it says offering news and opinion. 

I knew you did your research on liberal web sites.  lol

And your ThinkProgress site says the Democrats will have troop numbers lowered.  Guess they haven’t been listening to less liberal news media.  Democrats are talking about more troops in Iraq.  lol

Figures they aren’t doing what they promised when they got elected. 

Oh yeah that’s right they never did make any promises.  There only running point was Vote for a change and vote against Bush. 

Notice today CNN did a poll that said 57% of American think the Democrats have no plan.  29% think they have a plan.  Maybe those 29% could tell us what the plan is.

OK you’re right.  I should just believe you and Bush.  Uh huh.  Right.  Sorry pal;  I’m not doing the goose step.

I did all my research on HuffPo and ThinkProgress.  Yeah that’s it.  Nice try.

You’re a paid troll.  Were you in Iraq working for a defense contractor ?  How’s that for a clue?  I’m glad I could waste some of your time.

Ken,

  Facts are facts, but just because a lot of Bush haters repeat something often enough doesn’t make it a fact either.  I’d like to know where you did your research.  Who are the people profiting off of the Iraq people?  Let me guess Haliburton?  lol Get a clue. 

Well, I’m not a defense contractor and I’m a lost cause.  I’ve been to Iraq.  Have you?  Unlike you I know the good that’s going on over there. 

Unlike you I have seen and continue to talk to my buddies that have been there since.

You get your information from a biased news media and whack jobs that make conspiracy films. 

Just because you go to other biased web sites doesn’t mean you researched your material either.

Get a clue, talk to me when you really have any facts.

Bob.

Yes I’ve thoroughly researched the subject and Mr. Greenwald has his facts straight.  I’ve got news for you Bob,  if anything in that movie was not true, the defense contractors would haul him into court.  They like to suppress the fact that they are doing a very poor job.  C.A.C.I. sued Randi Rhodes to keep her quiet about Abu Ghraib.  She couldn’t talk about it until she won her court case.  Facts are facts whether you want to believe them or not.  I could care less.  I figure at this point, people like you are a lost cause or work for a defense contractor.

Ken Green

  Believe it or not just because someone says something doesn’t make it a fact.  Have you researched their claims?  How do you know they are facts?  Just because you want something to be true doesn’t make it a fact.

I could say Ken Green is Santa Claus.  Does that mean it’s not true?  Prove me wrong.

Iraq For Sale was made by Robert Greenwald using individual donations; like mine.  Even if MoveOn.org did make it, does that mean the facts aren’t facts ?!?!?  Lousy liberals are always attacking the poor innocent war profiteers.

Kucinich is a light weight! Pelosi is tougher than you think and comes from the last bastion of reasoned liberalism in the country! You will be surprised with her!

Satinam

See my quote below.

Let me guess who made the movie IRAQ for sale?  Would it happen to be moveon.org?

I was outraged hearing that Pelosi was taking impeachment Off the table.But then I realised that the last thing anyone in the world wants is Dick for pres.,therefore,of course there must be clear evidence for the impeachment of both of them.The evidence against bush is quite clear and his signature is all over everything,literally!Cheney has covered his ass on just about everything including having the past corrupt Congress change the laws to give them all immunity,see MCA passed 3wks? ago,and you and I detention without charges,and torture indefinitely.
Clever thugs usually do cover their ass,but they are always easy to spot,they’re the meanest MF on the block,read:bullys.Nancy Might be bidding the next month and a half in relative nuetrality to assess the extent of the Damage.And if not then we the people Will HOld them to account.They were also elected to bring Justice to the world that has been assaulted by these criminals who stole their way into high office and proceeded to murder and destroy and theive from the Iraqi,the Afghani,and the American People.Check out ‘Iraq for Sale’,the film,and you will be appauled at the profiteering off the people of Iraq.Then there is the genocide of their people,the Depleted Uranium,the cluster munitions and the deaths of 655,000 Iraqis.Reparations come after the convictions,and I think the financial reparations must come from those who profited,members of the bush regime and those corporations involved,and of course the American people.That’s what happens when an illegal premptive war of aggression is allowed to go forward,there are no excuses for murderous,immoral,arrogant behavior,no matter what your self delusions are.The criminals still stalking the corridors of power must be hobbled and brought to justice for all the world to see,just like the Nueremburg trials.We want justice,then we’ll talk about maintaining the peace, and bipartisan dinners.

greenback.  You need help.  lol

Ken Mitchell

  Everyone has seen that email several times.  To tell you the truth it’s pretty old.  Does that mean if you didn’t serve in the military that you can’t comment?  Did you serve? 

I’m sure I could go out there and find a ton of Democrats that didn’t serve as well as a list of Republicans that did.

The list doesn’t mean anything unless you are trying to say that you can’t comment or send troops to war unless you served as well.

I don’t think that is the message you are trying send, but maybe I’m wrong.

Furthermore, if you are you going to put a list together get the facts right.  Although the news media doesn’t say it, because it doesn’t fit their attack mode.  Pres. Bush volunteered for war duty, but he was denied because at the time his father was a key figure in the CIA.

Here’s a list of those who did and didn’t serve. Note, most of the hawks on Iraq never served.
Democrats:
* Richard Gephardt: Air National Guard, 1965-71.
* David Bonior: Staff Sgt., Air Force 1968-72.
* Tom Daschle: 1st Lt., Air Force SAC 1969-72.
* Al Gore: enlisted Aug. 1969; sent to Vietnam Jan. 1971 as an army
journalist in 20th Engineer Brigade.
* Bob Kerrey: Lt. j.g. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor, Vietnam.
* Daniel Inouye: Army 1943-47; Medal of Honor, WWII.
* John Kerry: Lt., Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat
V, Purple Hearts.
* Charles Rangel: Staff Sgt., Army 1948-52;  Bronze Star,  Korea.
* Max Cleland: Captain, Army 1965-68; Silver Star & Bronze Star,  Vietnam.
* Ted Kennedy: Army, 1951-53.
* Tom Harkin: Lt., Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74.
* Jack Reed: Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army Reserve 1979-91.
* Fritz Hollings: Army officer in WWII; Bronze Star and seven campaign
ribbons.
* Leonard Boswell: Lt. Col., Army 1956-76;  Vietnam, DFCs, Bronze
Stars, and Soldier’s Medal.
* Pete Peterson: Air Force Captain, POW. Purple Heart, Silver Star and
Legion of Merit.
* Mike Thompson: Staff sergeant, 173rd Airborne, Purple Heart.
* Bill McBride: Candidate for Fla. Governor. Marine in Vietnam; Bronze
Star with Combat V.
* Gray Davis: Army Captain in Vietnam, Bronze Star.
* Pete Stark: Air Force 1955-57
* Chuck Robb: Vietnam
* Howell Heflin: Silver Star
* George McGovern: Silver Star & DFC during WWII.
* Bill Clinton: Did not serve. Student deferments. Entered draft
but received #311.
* Jimmy Carter: Seven years in the Navy.
* Walter Mondale: Army 1951-1953
* John Glenn: WWII and Korea; six DFCs and Air Medal with 18 Clusters.
* Tom Lantos: Served in Hungarian underground in WWII. Saved by Raoul Wallenberg.
* John Murtha: Marines, Vietnam, Purple Heart, Bronze Star

Republicans— These are the guys sending people to war:
* Dick Cheney: did not serve. Several deferments, the last by marriage.
* Dennis Hastert: did not serve.
* Tom Delay: did not serve.
* Roy Blunt: did not serve.
* Bill Frist: did not serve.
* Mitch McConnell: did not serve.
* Rick Santorum: did not serve.
* Trent Lott: did not serve.
* John Ashcroft: did not serve. Seven deferments to teach business.
* Jeb Bush: did not serve.
* Karl Rove: did not serve.
* Saxby Chambliss: did not serve. “Bad knee.” The man who attacked Max Cleland’s patriotism.
* Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve.
* Vin Weber: did not serve.
* Richard Perle: did not serve.
* Douglas Feith: did not serve.
* Eliot Abrams: did not serve.
* Richard Shelby: did not serve.
* Jon Kyl: did not serve.
* Tim Hutchison: did not serve.
* Christopher Cox: did not serve.
* Newt Gingrich: did not serve.
* Don Rumsfeld: served in Navy (1954-57) as flight
instructor.
* George W. Bush: failed to complete his six-year National Guard; got assigned to Alabama so he could
campaign for family friend running for U.S. Senate;
failed to show up for required medical exam,
disappeared from duty.
* B-1 Bob Dornan: Consciously enlisted after fighting was over in Korea.
* Phil Gramm: did not serve.
* John McCain: Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart
and Distinguished Flying Cross.
* Dana Rohrabacher: did not serve.
* John M. McHugh: did not serve.
* JC Watts: did not serve.
* Jack Kemp: did not serve. “Knee problem,” although continued in NFL for 8 years.
* Dan Quayle: Journalism unit of the Indiana National Guard.
* Rudy Giuliani: did not serve.
* George Pataki: did not serve.
* Spencer Abraham: did not serve.
* John Engler: did not serve.
* Lindsey Graham: National Guard lawyer.
* Arnold Schwarzenegger: AWOL from Austrian army base.

* Ronald Reagan: due to poor eyesight, served in a non-combat role making movies.

Pundits & Preachers
* Sean Hannity: did not serve.
* Rush Limbaugh: did not serve (4-F with a ‘pilonidal cyst.’)
* Bill O’Reilly: did not serve.
* Michael Savage: did not serve.
* George Will: did not serve.
* Chris Matthews: did not serve.
* Paul Gigot: did not serve.
* Bill Bennett: did not serve.
* Pat Buchanan: did not serve. (Did oppose the war in Iraq)
* Bill Kristol: did not serve.
* Kenneth Starr: did not serve.
* Antonin Scalia: did not serve.
* Clarence Thomas: did not serve.
* Ralph Reed: did not serve.
* Michael Medved: did not serve.
* Charlie Daniels: did not serve.
* Ted Nugent: did not serve. (He only shoots at things that don’t shoot back.)

* John Wayne: did not serve.
* Gerald Mcraney: did not serve. Played a Vietnam Vet
on 3 TV shows (Simon & Simon, Major Dad, and Promise
Land)

why be in a hurry to impeach?????

let it swirl around until it’s demanded by everybody except the kool aid drinkers…..

cheney in handcuffs is more appealing to me…..

This Veteran’s Day let’s also remember Donald Duncan, the author of “The New Legions” (1965).  Duncan was in Vietnam with Special Forces as a LRRP.  He was one of the first veterans in the Vietnam anti-war movement.  He’s still around, and was the first and last speaker in “Sir, No Sir!” a DVD about the anti-war movement in the armed forces during the Vietnam War.  Robert Scheer probably remembers remembers Donald from their days working together for “Ramparts” magazine in the 60’s.  Donald Duncan,Robert Scheer, Stan Goff, and Kevin Tillman ought to get together sometime!

What now? “Pelosi and Bush are Burying the Hatchet”?http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061…n_go_ pr_wh/ bush??What does she mean she’s not going to impeach Bush? She and the creep are “settling their differences,” what? Who in the world does she think she is? First off, she’s not even chosen yet to be the Speaker of the House. Sorry, Nancy, but there’s actually a process and competition for the position. As well, we the people have not spoken on the matter yet; though CNN and FOX and the others have weighed their desire for her quite heavily. The Democrats have been put in power on a mandate of the people to investigate the actions of this Administration which has steered the nation nearly off a cliff, and she’s to set the process of restoring America’s standing in the world and our quality of life, security, and health at home. Pelosi is there because we the people want our Constitution and Bill of Rights restored as of 4pm, friday afternoon, January 5th, 2007. We the people put the Democratsi in charge of the House because we want to get to the bottom of the massive number of deaths in the Gulf Coast which is directly connected to the Administration’s handling of the matter. Katrina was not just a glass of spilled milk, it was negligence to the worst degree demands independent investigation. We the people put the Democrats in power because we no longer want to be dependent on foreign, filthy and archaic Gas & Oil for our energy needs, and we are not going to be happy with simply raising the standard automotive mpg from 21mpg to 25mpg (1925 Ford Model T got 25 mpg). We want alternative energies now, not because we are dreamers, we want it because it is cheap, clean and fucking available. We the people put the Democrats in charge in charge to investigate why the Administration scared the bejeezus out of all of us with the notion that Sadam was minutes away from nuking Disneyland and the rest of America, when in fact we all now know that it was a bold face and well planned out lie. More than that, we now know that the small group in the Administration have had plans for invading Iraq since at least 1999 when they pressed Bill Clinton with the idea of Iraq invasion and US hegemony of the Middle East. We know about the Bush White House meetings with Oil executives and their 2000 pre-invasion plans for private profit pipelines throughout the region. We the people did not put Nancy Pelosi where she is today so that both she and Bush can feel comfortable together at dinner parties. We the people want transparency in government and we want results. We the people put Democrats in charge of the Congress because there has been criminal activity in the White House and we want it stopped and ultimately because we demand the IMPEACHENT of BUSH!

Speker of the House Kucinich sounds much better than Pelosi. This guy is ready to clean the House. Pelosi is readying to go to dinner parties with Bush.?